George me lad, I'm after watching this three times and meant to tell you about an idea for shaving weight on the Lotus. I'm probably late to the party with this idea, but here goes: After working on aircraft for years, I've seen my share of *lightening holes*. Nothing at all do with Thor, they're used to shave weight on a lot of aircraft structural components like spars and ribs without sacrificing strength. Indeed the engineering science crowd might argue it is even stronger. A quick googling will bring up how-to's and tools, but the basics are cut a hole, clean it up as much as possible, then flare it much like you would for say, a fuel line. From my experience, the cleaner the hole, the better the flare. Now let's leave that phrase as it lies. But needless to say, I'm hoping it'll be useful on the Lotus in (what I estimate) about 6-8 places at least. Keep up the great work, and stay safe.
Don't worry David, The Commitments and the other films in the trilogy [The Snapper and The Van], have passed into Irish folklore. They're almost part of the Irish right of passage. We could all probably recite the scripts. Thanks for the shout from Texas and the love :)
Chicago for a day and I've just realised I've seen this episode before...the mosaic of previous episodes that fills the screen after you finish one cropped the "1" from the "12" and I clicked on it thinking it was ep 2..... oh well, its so good I watched it twice!
George these episodes are just getting better with every one. Big thumbs up on your progress. I have a 1990 Vogue SE that's been on the to do list for a few years now. It needs inner wings, sills and rear arches doing - your methods make it look so easy. Michael.
Thanks a million mate, great to know there's another LR man watching. I want to put a whole new front end on the Vogue too but it's getting too long in the tooth and I'd feel vulnerable over winter without a Landy, know what I mean?
Another great episode. One of my viewers put me onto your channel and I have been working through your videos over the last month or so. I love the production quality, keep up the great work.
Hey Jeff, thanks and back at you. You've a great setup there in your unit. Bad luck with the Porsche wing but the hardships make it all the sweeter in the end ;)
Keep it up George. Lovin’ the videos and I was never even really a restoration fan. Now that’s saying something! You converted a person as well as the cars!
Excellent video! My father is currently restoring his 1978 Esprit S2 in Diamond silver with the same interior, and he's at about the same point in the restoration. He's thankful for your videos as a reference for his project.
We're brothers in arms then me and your dad. My cert from Lotus says there were only 8 produced in silver with the red and black interior [if memory serves]. Where in the world are you Swaggimus?
George Karellas The restoration is being done in Chicago, Illinois. I mistook the interior photos you had in episode 06 (of the dark green crushed-velvet with black seats) as the one your car had, since that's the interior my dad's car actually has.
I love a black interior and I'd actually prefer that on my car but it's going back to factory spec for sure. I think it's fitting. Your dad may know this already but there were no Esprits with green Marcasite [the crushed velvet like material]. The green colour is what black Marcasite turned to after years of fading. So your dad's interior was all black :)
George Karellas Funnily enough, he gets annoyed when people say the original interior color is green, and he's chosen the proper original color, and used the photos you posted as the final confirmation that that's the correct color. He's going to be looking up your Patron as well soon. Do you have an estimated finish date for your car? I know it can be difficult to gauge, especially with multiple cars in the work (our other project cars can attest to that), but he's looking at finishing within the next 6 months to a year.
Oh! Tell him I didn't mean any offence, was only going on what I've heard. :) Did he get a cert of provenance from Lotus? I'd love to think I could get the Esprit done in six months or even a year. Would be amazing to have it done for summer 2018 but that might be far fetched, who knows. I'm cautious about setting any deadlines for SOUP. Part of what I'm trying not to do is dramatise it like every car show these days. What's the other project?
I nearly called it "Automotive" Michael, it kinda says it all but fact is we can all help motivate each other. Thanks mate. [SOUP is more memorable, cause it's weird]
A few years back, I purchased a ragged 94 6 speed Corvette (hardly a classic) and I fixed it up on a shoestring budget over the next 2 years. I dare say it was getting pretty respectable by the time I had to sell it! For some reason, the lotus' somewhat iffy starting condition reminds me of that car alot. Man do I miss it...Keep up the good work for all of us who have loved and lost! By the way, I cracked up when you described and replayed the floor covering segment :)
Don't know a lot about the Corvette but I do know Lotus developed the LT5 engine used in the same era Corvette as yours, in the ZR-1 anyway. Maybe residual Lotusness rubbed off and that's were the reminiscence is coming from ;) So to begin with your car was a bit rough like mine, there's worse to come yet though with the Esprit, I'd say it'll win the abused race in the end. Thanks for the kind words Matt. Did you replace the vette with something interesting?
Not really at first...a rough Infiniti G35. Fortunately, I now have a Pontiac G8 GT aka Holden VE Commodore. Still not the Vette but kind of like a 4 door Vette.
Had a look, didn't realise Pontiac was gone, or that it was named after an Indian Chief, or that it was GM but now I'm showing how little I know :) That's a lot of motor in a four door saloon. Must be fun?
Glad to introduce you to a new car (or maybe just distract you from more important things) I am woefully unaware of a majority cars across the pond. The G8 is a hoot though. Those Australians sure know how to make a fun family car!
They know how to have fun full stop ;). I'll add the G8 to the "cars I'd look at if I lived in the U.S.A." although have to say... little to moderns for me still.
Another well put together episode. Much to my shame, I've done nothing with my Dolomite. The modern has been taking all my time and attention but I've sorted out all the major problems so I'm hoping to give the Dolly some love soon.
Yeah you'll get that with the modern from time to time, that's why I ditched them ;) Same work, but without the pay off. You'll get to the Dolly mate, the day's coming.
Hey George ...really enjoying Soup! Thank you...have an old W124 E220 estate in the barn ...small amount of work to do...might make a good run around for you. Pat
Thanks a mill Pat, E220 W124, that'd put it in the '90's right? It's out of my league tax wise unfortunately... great car but I have to go 30 years +. Get stuck in yourself mate, those wagons a coming around now in a big way.
look - its been 3 years and its 1 don't like vote- wonder why but other way great Chanel to use as inspiration and as a reality check, its never a discovery channel drama type of thing if you do project on your own. love it , support it or rather soup(ort) it :)
Another great one George. Great advice on how to remove a fuel tank or similar object that you know HAS to come out without a lot of force or scraped knuckles. Have you thought about an old Volvo 240 as a runaround? Parts will be cheaper than an old Merc estate, and they just keep on going. Keep up the great work.
Funny Colm suggested the same thing Davy. I know they're bulletproof and practical, I'm just not convinced I'd feel good in one. Besides, even since the episode I may have had a change of direction. Will tell all soon, if I can make a decision :D Thanks mate.
Wow, the back of the Range Rover looked a right old mess, although not as bad as the commitments bus. But you're getting there. Another enjoyable episode. All the best.rob.
The Commitments bus was next level toast wasn't it! Seeing Colm's other restorations though it feels good to know it would have been saved if there was any chance at all. The Vogue will rise again, it may not be perfect but there's something nice about that. Thanks Rob :)
I love your series and the video making is top notch. I don't know how you have so much time to do the dismantling and video production! I have always wanted to know film makers make the stop film animation? What's your secret? :)
I don't have enough time [and I've dedicated myself to it full time] but I'm just getting by with two weeks between episodes. Not easy! There's no secret to time lapse/stop motion; say you're removing a bolt - you turn it a little and take a snap, turn it a little more and take a snap... and you keep doing that until it's out. My videos are produced at 24 frames [snaps] a second, so it takes 24 photos to make a second of video. Demanding. But worth it!
Finally got the third book, won't put it on here though as will leave it for the patrons. Pleased I got there in the end though. Managed the first two last time :)
Going to feature a W123 soon mate, and I do love them, they're probably thee most refined and practical classic there is. I'm quietly holding out a little longer to see if I can find a cheap W108. That'd grab me every time over the other models.
Lol! It's coming, it'll probably be an all nighter and out tomorrow sometime fingers crossed. It's an hour long as it stands!! Working hard to pull it back.
@@soupclassicmotoring thanks for the reply. Im sure it will appear at some point. What was it Oscar Wilde said.. I can resist everything but temptation?
George, Another great video the standard of the content and filming is excellent! I could really do with you showing me some basic editing as i have to do all my videos in one shot and miss a lot of detail. You know how to contact me, Take care Dave.
What type of computer do you use Dave, Windows or Mac? Start playing with Movie Maker or similar [Windows] or iMovie [Mac] to learn to make simple cuts in footage so you can drop in close up footage. You can still shoot your one long take, but then shoot cutaways of all the things you referenced and edit them into the clip. This is something only you can get comfortable with whether the pointers are in person or remote.
That's a big win Dave, iMovie is easy to use. You import your media, then move it around on screen in layers just like courses of bricks. The upmost brick hides whatever it's sitting over, i.e. you've a course of red brick and then somewhere along the course you place a yellow on top. The red bricks are your long take sitting on the bottom course, then you drop in your close ups [the yellow bricks] here and there on top where appropriate. Make sense?
Here is my slow build thread, I have owned it 6 years or so, and put over 100,000 miles on it. It's sitting at 319K today. Since I started to watch your videos 've really been pounding away on it, your an inspiration! www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/361122-1985-euro-300tdt-giving-some-love-thread.html
Interesting thread C, we have my suster daily driving a 230E but the one thing it's missing is cruise so I'm jealous. It was never spec'd here so haven't been able to find a setup to graft in. I did due diligence when my sister told me she'd like a classic W123 wagon and a much heralded expert told me the parts for SLS are very hard to get now, so I put her off and we got her a saloon instead. It's lovely and working great for her, but she's still disappointed and now seeing your efforts I'm not so happy with the "expert". Thanks a million mate, and for the return inspiration. [and if you happen on a nivomat system or any cruise I could make work let me know]
He George, I drive a W123 very regularly with 227k on it. The cruise from a 300SE/SL could be adapted to fit since its a similar engine but 2 more cylinders. I rebuilt the SLS on one last year without problems and Ive since been told that W124 parts can be adapted.
Great tip Ben. It's called Nivomat isn't it? I love how simple it is and I'm keeping my eye out for a car to pinch a setup from. Great news about the SLS too, I've a feeling my sister will go for a W123T eventually. Thanks mate.
Actually the Nivomat is the name for the self leveling system that appeared on the W108. These cars have 2 steel springs in the normal place but an additional hydraulic compensator horizontally in the centre of the axle which took place of the central spring used on previous models with the low pivot swing axle design. The compensator is basically a large stand alone hydraulic strut. There are no pumps or pipes and if it leaks its finished ! The S123/S124 & V126 system is called SLS as it is an hydraulic pump driven system with leveling valves, spheres and hydraulic actuators in place of shock aborbers, with associated pipework.
Nivomat? I meant to say Tempomat, was thinking about the cruise system. I'm not getting into changing the suspension on a Benz just yet ;). The Nivomat system is not unlike the Boge strut in the rear of classic Range Rovers, same principle. I killed one by ignoring dead dampers in the yellow RR whilst in Greece and the Boge unit gave up after being bounced to death. Still a little put out that I was warned off the SLS, but sometimes experts get way over protective about a particular model and put it on a pedestal. This guy was very vocal about how a W123 shouldn't be a daily car. Ridiculous.
George me lad, I'm after watching this three times and meant to tell you about an idea for shaving weight on the Lotus. I'm probably late to the party with this idea, but here goes:
After working on aircraft for years, I've seen my share of *lightening holes*. Nothing at all do with Thor, they're used to shave weight on a lot of aircraft structural components like spars and ribs without sacrificing strength. Indeed the engineering science crowd might argue it is even stronger.
A quick googling will bring up how-to's and tools, but the basics are cut a hole, clean it up as much as possible, then flare it much like you would for say, a fuel line. From my experience, the cleaner the hole, the better the flare. Now let's leave that phrase as it lies.
But needless to say, I'm hoping it'll be useful on the Lotus in (what I estimate) about 6-8 places at least. Keep up the great work, and stay safe.
love these interviews..the eclectic nature..the projects..their views..makes me appreciate the good part of humanity..thx George...
Late to the party, but I am loving this series. Can’t wait to be caught up to present day. Keeping me motivated on my 1976 spitfire barn find project.
"What is The Commitments?" George, if you've not seen it, you should remedy that as quickly as possible. Loving the series from near Dallas, Texas.
Don't worry David, The Commitments and the other films in the trilogy [The Snapper and The Van], have passed into Irish folklore. They're almost part of the Irish right of passage. We could all probably recite the scripts. Thanks for the shout from Texas and the love :)
George you have brought me sunshine to a rainy day in New Jersey!!! Keep up the absolutely AMAZING WORK!!!!!!!!!!
You've brought it full circle Edd, thanks fella. Cool to have a pal in NJ.
Chicago for a day and I've just realised I've seen this episode before...the mosaic of previous episodes that fills the screen after you finish one cropped the "1" from the "12" and I clicked on it thinking it was ep 2..... oh well, its so good I watched it twice!
George these episodes are just getting better with every one. Big thumbs up on your progress. I have a 1990 Vogue SE that's been on the to do list for a few years now. It needs inner wings, sills and rear arches doing - your methods make it look so easy. Michael.
Thanks a million mate, great to know there's another LR man watching. I want to put a whole new front end on the Vogue too but it's getting too long in the tooth and I'd feel vulnerable over winter without a Landy, know what I mean?
Another great episode. One of my viewers put me onto your channel and I have been working through your videos over the last month or so. I love the production quality, keep up the great work.
Hey Jeff, thanks and back at you. You've a great setup there in your unit. Bad luck with the Porsche wing but the hardships make it all the sweeter in the end ;)
Keep it up George. Lovin’ the videos and I was never even really a restoration fan. Now that’s saying something! You converted a person as well as the cars!
haha deadly stuff Chris, been too long! Gimmie a shout when you're back.
Yet another fantastic episode, still the best new content on UA-cam. Thank you for making my coffee break more enjoyable.
30min coffee break Andy? Back to work you dog :D Thanks mate.
Another truly wonderful episode- Thank you!
Happy you're happy :)
Excellent video! My father is currently restoring his 1978 Esprit S2 in Diamond silver with the same interior, and he's at about the same point in the restoration. He's thankful for your videos as a reference for his project.
We're brothers in arms then me and your dad. My cert from Lotus says there were only 8 produced in silver with the red and black interior [if memory serves]. Where in the world are you Swaggimus?
George Karellas The restoration is being done in Chicago, Illinois. I mistook the interior photos you had in episode 06 (of the dark green crushed-velvet with black seats) as the one your car had, since that's the interior my dad's car actually has.
I love a black interior and I'd actually prefer that on my car but it's going back to factory spec for sure. I think it's fitting. Your dad may know this already but there were no Esprits with green Marcasite [the crushed velvet like material]. The green colour is what black Marcasite turned to after years of fading. So your dad's interior was all black :)
George Karellas Funnily enough, he gets annoyed when people say the original interior color is green, and he's chosen the proper original color, and used the photos you posted as the final confirmation that that's the correct color. He's going to be looking up your Patron as well soon. Do you have an estimated finish date for your car? I know it can be difficult to gauge, especially with multiple cars in the work (our other project cars can attest to that), but he's looking at finishing within the next 6 months to a year.
Oh! Tell him I didn't mean any offence, was only going on what I've heard. :) Did he get a cert of provenance from Lotus? I'd love to think I could get the Esprit done in six months or even a year. Would be amazing to have it done for summer 2018 but that might be far fetched, who knows. I'm cautious about setting any deadlines for SOUP. Part of what I'm trying not to do is dramatise it like every car show these days. What's the other project?
Well done. Really professional looking series. Seriously spreading the love for automobile restorations.
I nearly called it "Automotive" Michael, it kinda says it all but fact is we can all help motivate each other. Thanks mate. [SOUP is more memorable, cause it's weird]
A few years back, I purchased a ragged 94 6 speed Corvette (hardly a classic) and I fixed it up on a shoestring budget over the next 2 years. I dare say it was getting pretty respectable by the time I had to sell it! For some reason, the lotus' somewhat iffy starting condition reminds me of that car alot. Man do I miss it...Keep up the good work for all of us who have loved and lost! By the way, I cracked up when you described and replayed the floor covering segment :)
Don't know a lot about the Corvette but I do know Lotus developed the LT5 engine used in the same era Corvette as yours, in the ZR-1 anyway. Maybe residual Lotusness rubbed off and that's were the reminiscence is coming from ;) So to begin with your car was a bit rough like mine, there's worse to come yet though with the Esprit, I'd say it'll win the abused race in the end. Thanks for the kind words Matt. Did you replace the vette with something interesting?
Not really at first...a rough Infiniti G35. Fortunately, I now have a Pontiac G8 GT aka Holden VE Commodore. Still not the Vette but kind of like a 4 door Vette.
Had a look, didn't realise Pontiac was gone, or that it was named after an Indian Chief, or that it was GM but now I'm showing how little I know :) That's a lot of motor in a four door saloon. Must be fun?
Glad to introduce you to a new car (or maybe just distract you from more important things) I am woefully unaware of a majority cars across the pond. The G8 is a hoot though. Those Australians sure know how to make a fun family car!
They know how to have fun full stop ;). I'll add the G8 to the "cars I'd look at if I lived in the U.S.A." although have to say... little to moderns for me still.
Hello George, you've given me a kick to get to work on my transit camper conversion. I love your series, keep up the good work.
The fabled camper conversion... I think I have one in me somewhere down the line Steven, good luck with it and thanks mate :)
Another well put together episode. Much to my shame, I've done nothing with my Dolomite. The modern has been taking all my time and attention but I've sorted out all the major problems so I'm hoping to give the Dolly some love soon.
Yeah you'll get that with the modern from time to time, that's why I ditched them ;) Same work, but without the pay off. You'll get to the Dolly mate, the day's coming.
Another great episode. Excited to see the next steps on the Vogue.
It's in a grand state of deconstruction now! Cheers mate, E.13 coming soon.
love your Esprit saga
Trying to get back to it like yesterday mate, looking forward to concentrating on it.
Hey George ...really enjoying Soup! Thank you...have an old W124 E220 estate in the barn ...small amount of work to do...might make a good run around for you. Pat
Thanks a mill Pat, E220 W124, that'd put it in the '90's right? It's out of my league tax wise unfortunately... great car but I have to go 30 years +. Get stuck in yourself mate, those wagons a coming around now in a big way.
look - its been 3 years and its 1 don't like vote- wonder why but other way great Chanel to use as inspiration and as a reality check, its never a discovery channel drama type of thing if you do project on your own. love it , support it or rather soup(ort) it :)
Cheers Maciej :)
Another great one George. Great advice on how to remove a fuel tank or similar object that you know HAS to come out without a lot of force or scraped knuckles. Have you thought about an old Volvo 240 as a runaround? Parts will be cheaper than an old Merc estate, and they just keep on going. Keep up the great work.
Funny Colm suggested the same thing Davy. I know they're bulletproof and practical, I'm just not convinced I'd feel good in one. Besides, even since the episode I may have had a change of direction. Will tell all soon, if I can make a decision :D Thanks mate.
Wow, the back of the Range Rover looked a right old mess, although not as bad as the commitments bus. But you're getting there. Another enjoyable episode. All the best.rob.
The Commitments bus was next level toast wasn't it! Seeing Colm's other restorations though it feels good to know it would have been saved if there was any chance at all. The Vogue will rise again, it may not be perfect but there's something nice about that. Thanks Rob :)
I love your series and the video making is top notch. I don't know how you have so much time to do the dismantling and video production! I have always wanted to know film makers make the stop film animation? What's your secret? :)
I don't have enough time [and I've dedicated myself to it full time] but I'm just getting by with two weeks between episodes. Not easy! There's no secret to time lapse/stop motion; say you're removing a bolt - you turn it a little and take a snap, turn it a little more and take a snap... and you keep doing that until it's out. My videos are produced at 24 frames [snaps] a second, so it takes 24 photos to make a second of video. Demanding. But worth it!
Nice one George!
Thanks for the tunes KOB!
Any update from Andy and the Galant GTO? I adore those cars
No funny enough but I can give him a shout. Thanks
Finally got the third book, won't put it on here though as will leave it for the patrons. Pleased I got there in the end though. Managed the first two last time :)
Fair play Ninja ;) If in the end it doesn't happen for the patrons I'll hit you up.
Taking the tools out of the fuel areas...easiest weight savings yet!
I had to tone down the excitement Thomas :D
Oh mister underlay 😂 I near pissed meself.
Get yourself a late 80's 300tdt wagon. 85 if you can find one. Diesel, I daily one and it's bomb proof.
Going to feature a W123 soon mate, and I do love them, they're probably thee most refined and practical classic there is. I'm quietly holding out a little longer to see if I can find a cheap W108. That'd grab me every time over the other models.
No chain on the fuel filler. That can be an MOT failure in the UK.
A lot of people take them off so that the filler doesn't scrape the paint. Reminds me of the t-shirt. Caps don't scrape paint, people do.
Looking forward to episode 13, must be soon right? No pressure :)
Lol! It's coming, it'll probably be an all nighter and out tomorrow sometime fingers crossed. It's an hour long as it stands!! Working hard to pull it back.
George Karellas I'd quite happily watch an hour long episode, I think most viewers would, the episodes so far seem to fly by when you are watching.
Ha! I had to trim it down, if it was all gold then I'd chance my arm with you but in the cold light of day it needed a big cull, still long though ;)
Whats happening with the poor old 2 door rangey? Crying out for some action isnt it? Great channel btw!
This channel was only supposed to be about that car! You're witnessing a dictionary definition grade case of project creep.
@@soupclassicmotoring thanks for the reply. Im sure it will appear at some point. What was it Oscar Wilde said.. I can resist everything but temptation?
Nice
Niiiiiiice ;)
Excuse me, are your cars made out of rust with some steel thrown in ?
I'm from the Northeastern U.S. and I thought our cars were rust buckets.
It's the same curse!
George, Another great video the standard of the content and filming is excellent! I could really do with you showing me some basic editing as i have to do all my videos in one shot and miss a lot of detail. You know how to contact me, Take care Dave.
What type of computer do you use Dave, Windows or Mac? Start playing with Movie Maker or similar [Windows] or iMovie [Mac] to learn to make simple cuts in footage so you can drop in close up footage. You can still shoot your one long take, but then shoot cutaways of all the things you referenced and edit them into the clip. This is something only you can get comfortable with whether the pointers are in person or remote.
George, We have Mac! computers and i have found the iMovie icon in launchpad i will give it a go! Cheers Dave.
That's a big win Dave, iMovie is easy to use. You import your media, then move it around on screen in layers just like courses of bricks. The upmost brick hides whatever it's sitting over, i.e. you've a course of red brick and then somewhere along the course you place a yellow on top. The red bricks are your long take sitting on the bottom course, then you drop in your close ups [the yellow bricks] here and there on top where appropriate. Make sense?
Am missing Anna Lisa already.
Always missed, we'll see her again when the time is right!
Here is my slow build thread, I have owned it 6 years or so, and put over 100,000 miles on it. It's sitting at 319K today. Since I started to watch your videos 've really been pounding away on it, your an inspiration! www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/361122-1985-euro-300tdt-giving-some-love-thread.html
Interesting thread C, we have my suster daily driving a 230E but the one thing it's missing is cruise so I'm jealous. It was never spec'd here so haven't been able to find a setup to graft in. I did due diligence when my sister told me she'd like a classic W123 wagon and a much heralded expert told me the parts for SLS are very hard to get now, so I put her off and we got her a saloon instead. It's lovely and working great for her, but she's still disappointed and now seeing your efforts I'm not so happy with the "expert". Thanks a million mate, and for the return inspiration. [and if you happen on a nivomat system or any cruise I could make work let me know]
He George, I drive a W123 very regularly with 227k on it. The cruise from a 300SE/SL could be adapted to fit since its a similar engine but 2 more cylinders. I rebuilt the SLS on one last year without problems and Ive since been told that W124 parts can be adapted.
Great tip Ben. It's called Nivomat isn't it? I love how simple it is and I'm keeping my eye out for a car to pinch a setup from. Great news about the SLS too, I've a feeling my sister will go for a W123T eventually. Thanks mate.
Actually the Nivomat is the name for the self leveling system that appeared on the W108. These cars have 2 steel springs in the normal place but an additional hydraulic compensator horizontally in the centre of the axle which took place of the central spring used on previous models with the low pivot swing axle design. The compensator is basically a large stand alone hydraulic strut. There are no pumps or pipes and if it leaks its finished !
The S123/S124 & V126 system is called SLS as it is an hydraulic pump driven system with leveling valves, spheres and hydraulic actuators in place of shock aborbers, with associated pipework.
Nivomat? I meant to say Tempomat, was thinking about the cruise system. I'm not getting into changing the suspension on a Benz just yet ;). The Nivomat system is not unlike the Boge strut in the rear of classic Range Rovers, same principle. I killed one by ignoring dead dampers in the yellow RR whilst in Greece and the Boge unit gave up after being bounced to death. Still a little put out that I was warned off the SLS, but sometimes experts get way over protective about a particular model and put it on a pedestal. This guy was very vocal about how a W123 shouldn't be a daily car. Ridiculous.
That Mitsubishi looks like a Toyota knockoff.