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What happened to all the Star Wars Prequel hate?
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Sorry if I went a little number heavy this week, and if it got confusing at all, but I was truly surprised by the utter lack of Prequel hate I got... both in terms of the results and the comments left by all of you.
The number-heavy polling stuff is awesome, unique, fun, and semi-scientific. Really interesting. Keep it up.
I'm one of the oldies, I was a small child when Star Wars came out in the late 70's, I think many of us were initially disappointed with the prequels because we expected a repeat of 1977 and of course that didn't happen. Looking back at it we were being silly, there will never be a repeat of the 1977 hysteria because the success of Star Wars had much to do with the time it was released, the world was a grim place in 1977, the economy was a mess and we were facing the real threat of nuclear annihilation, into that came a bold movie about hope which really struck a chord with many people.
Its cool man. I like math honestly and like when people use facts to defend their points. Stats and all that. Wrote a few comments. One is a bit long though. I couldn't use math but I gave my personal experience.
Thor Skywalker I really thought you were in your 20s
Zombieslayer 115
He’s 41! I’m shocked! I thought he was in his 20’s or early 30’s
The prequels were a huge part of my childhood. I only heard of the hate in my late teens.
Joeru same here
That proves a point though. Kids who grew up with the prequels often loved them and then when they thought about it as teens and adults they soured on them. As you would expect with a more developed brain.
@@CrapMyHat joeru never said she soured on them, only that she had no idea people were sour about them until later in life.
@@williamlewis2383 Same here. A similar situation happened with SpiderMan3 where i only heard of the hatebase as a teen (and thought it was a joke). I love both the Star Wars Prequels and Spider-Man 3.
@@CrapMyHat because idiot reviewers on UA-cam can't follow the plot. Yes the dialogue is iffy at times and you might not like jar jar but the story has always made sense and characters don't asspull powers.
Everyone started hating on the prequels and not actually thinking when they watched them, then terrible star wars films came out and people went back and realised they weren't actually that bad.
the clone wars is what made me appreciate the prequels a lot more, that show gave so much more depth that was needed for the characters and made palpatine feel that much more menacing
Personally, don't get the fascination people have with show. I'm not saying it's bad, far from it, it's really good and much better than the Rebels... But if you think about it, it really doesn't fit between the two movies, way too many events happen in them, such as Anakin having an apprentice, Maul coming back, etc, they also retcon a lot of stuff, for example, the clones having a chip and not just being trained to follow orders, which I feel is a cheap cop-out to make the show characters more likable and not portray them as actual murder machines that they are.
I personally think that Gendy Tarkovski's cartoons did a much better job in portraying the events of the war, and sticking closely to the established lore, while still expanding it a little. The characters are not as flashed out, but they stay in character, and I appreciate it.
But I do think the Clone Wars show is lots of fun, though, i just don't think it's the holy grail that redeemed the prequels, it's just a fun side content. It does ultimately show how much potential the world created by Lucas had, I can't imagine anything like this done for the sequels.
N. K. I agree with you that way to many events happen in this time span between Ep2 and 3. I think this may be because the creators know this is probably the only show to actually expand the universe in the way the Clone wars show does. It’s not like a show will be made between the events of Ep1 and 2, so this is they’re only chance to flesh out the characters in this time period. Which This leads to a whole bunch of events jammed packed into a somewhat small time frame.
On the other hand maybe it just goes to show how expansive the galaxy is. These numerous event that happens during the clone wars, lets the viewers know that the war is impacting 10s of 100s of planets with intelligent life.
I haven’t seen anything else than the clone wars show bc the expanded universe ie: Rebels and Resistamce have not suited my taste and I hear they don’t get better.
The clone wars isnt the best show in the world, but with respect to shows/world building pertaining to Star Wars, the clone wars show is the best. Which might be why the creators put all their ideas into this show because they know the won’t get a second chance in the same era.
The Clone Wars is much better than the Prequels imo
See, I enjoyed parts of the Clone Wars et al, but to me that's how the prequels should have been, not how they were. If Lucas had made that instead, I wouldn't be excited but I wouldn't hate it.
Now, "The Mandalorian" is what should have been made instead. Or sequel movies, but Carrie's drug and mental problems were serious, and Harrison was done with it all, so they would have had to focus on the remaining cast - and maybe look at a romance story for Luke, as it was in the expanded universe.
The prequels are dreadful, bad, films. The animated Clone Wars are good because of the talent of Dave Filoni.
When you realize that the Jedi being afraid of emotions leading to the dark side...
is an emotion
I wouldnt say that they're afraid of it, they just choose to ignore it. Which is still a flaw, saying that they're just too good for the dark side, it's an example of their hubris.
They aren't afraid of them, the whole Jedi philosophy is based on Buddhism. Buddhists believe all suffering is caused by desire. Their whole way of being is based on letting go of Ego, care and desire.
MrParkerman6 Exactly that’s why Buddhism fails, and makes no sense, how can desire be the root or cause of suffering? The irony is that Buddha and most Buddhist have desires.
Flatheads Rebuked Well, it’s not just desires, really. It also includes anger, and greed, and stuff. To server these ties are the only way to get to what is considered Nirvana. But, yes, Buddhists have had desires. Buddha... didn’t. He was more of a... used to have? I mean, according to all the time he spent, he did have those in his past lives and even before becoming actual Buddha, and he was human, after all. Buddha isn’t a god, he’s a human, and he was still affected by his past lives and their karma, such as back pain because he broke someone’s back when he was a boxer, and so on. And so do Buddhists. However, to achieve peace, you sever the ties of human desire, human greed, human anger. That’s the actual way to peace, so it says. Buddhism may be failing, but not because it’s wrong, it’s just that... it’s nearly impossible to do *all* of that. For a normal human. And rarely can many do. Even if some do so, it doesn’t mean they *will* achieve peace. But they’ll be somewhere better, and only further if they continue there, more and more on further and further, they can be at peace. It’s a lot more than having faith in someone and asking them for help, as Buddhism is basically an atheist religion where even Buddha himself said God doesn’t exist. Instead, you have to follow the steps of Buddha, in his ways to be in a better place. Though... the thing is, to become the Buddha(one more left, forgot the earlier Buddha name), the last Buddha had to go through four.. I dunno how to explain it, but it’s even longer than one million earths, that’s certain, and one hundred thousand Earths. To become Buddha. And do things and make sure you become Buddha by doing good things and stuff, and even Buddha did not do good things in some past lives. This is why you see Buddhism “failing”. Because to be essentially at peace, it’s *so* much work, but not as much to become Buddha. But it’s still way too many.
I don’t wanna start a religion argument, I’m just gonna say this, you can say no, or you can say something as counter point. I hope we can have a civil discussion, and... yeah, sorry for the too long paragraph.
Tl;dr: It’s not just desires, it’s also too much work and it is... Ironic.
I don't think they're afraid of emotion, nor did they wish to abandon it (a Jedi is encouraged to love, as Anakin once said), and be a mindless droid, what they want is to control their emotion, and abandon attachment, because it will control you, rather than you control it, so the Jedi wish to free themselves from it, and attachment is not only to an object, or a person, but also to an outcome, when a Jedi failed, they do not dwell on it, also when they succeed, they would still be happy, but they would not let it get on their head, unlike the "Jedi" from the prequel, they're more like a force-wielding tools for the republic rather than a Jedi
"What happened to all the Star Wars Prequel hate?" After the sequels people wanted to convince themselves Lucas would have done a better job, not realizing their hate for the prequels is why Lucas sold Lucasfilm. They act like Disney stole star wars from him or something. No, in an interview after the sale he said the fans would have hated his vision for the sequel trilogy "like the prequels".
"their hate for the prequels is why Lucas sold Lucasfilm" And thats how we reach a conclusion, that the main enemy of Star Wars is the western SW fandom. This cesspool of whiny bitches is the exact reason why we are stuck with the Disney.
Tim I know and it sucks bc Lucas had a great vision, he could have also gotten help on then too, he asked several directors to help him with prequels but turned down.
@@user-or8ql3fe5v "Whiny bitches" lol I love this cause it's so true. It's all OT fan(fat)boys that are doing this. They literally hate anything that just isn't apart of "their childhood" this is just so stupid. They don't get a say in what is "true Star Wars."
Tim no he sold star wars because he got 4billion dollars for it not because of the whiny fans
@@AnotherOpinion695 I think that "true star wars" original and captures and expands upon the universe first created by Lucas, not a rerun of what was good from the original films. The prequels mostly do that but good story told poorly. The new films have become to corporate to capture "that star wars magic" yet the Mandalorian and Rebels got that because Disney seem to have taken a more hands off approach with those ones letting Filoni and Favreau run free. But the sequel films just feel like nostalgia check boxes to make us go wow and I don't like that. The prequels don't throw nostalgia at you they do something different and it's good. The reason the last Jedi is the best of the Sequels is cause it did something else other than be a remake of episode 5.
Everyone: Where did the hate for the Prequels go?
Revenge of the Sith: Gone. Reduced to atoms.
Lmao
Paully808 your lack of faith is disturbing
@@aj-ij7pd so uncivilized
Paully808 dude. We’re using Memes... but he is right you can’t just insult people
Revenge of the Sith was just as bad as the other two prequel movies. You're an idiot.
I never hated the Prequels. I always loved and enjoyed them.
Doctor Duke episdoe 1 was hard to watch but 2 was decent and 3 was great
@@danielola-abidoye1365 you don't like the duel of fates?
SEBULBA I love duel of the fates but episode 1 was boring mostly the action scenes where good though Duel of the Fates still gives me chills
The prequels before the Disney takeover were loved in a mixed way. Despite the flaw writing and minor retconning, it’s still Star Wars. It has George Lucas involved. Then after the Last Jedi, I rather enjoy the prequels more and more. Because of Ruin Johnson. Because of KK in charge of Lucasfilm.
@@danielola-abidoye1365 you shouldn't watch star wars just for the action, PF teaches you about anakins childhood and obi-wan as a padawan, which i think is important. also jar jar binks isn't hard to watch i'm not sure why everyone hates him
"The prequels had much more competition"
Considering they came out side by side with Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, that's quite the understatement. The younger crowd that grew up loving the prequels (Myself included) had a lot more to enjoy coming out than the ones who grew up with the OT.
I love the prequels and the original trilogy in equal amounts. Hell, I'm even willing to defend Jar Jar because if to you he's an annoying buffoon, to me he'll always be the funny creature in a space movie I loved as a kid. In fact, I remembered being a little bummed that he wasn't as prevalent in the following two movies when I was a kid.
That being said, I still have the same amount of love for Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings as I do for Star Wars, so maybe there's a lot more to this
There was so much to choose from back in those days plus don't forget about the video games.
The sequels came out the same time as the MCU in its heyday and two of them were still the biggest earners of the year they released
I grew up when the prequels were coming out, and I really liked them back then.
I still like them today, but I have became more and more aware of their problems. Still I don't think I would ever dislike them, because the things that made me like them will always be there.
Original Trilogy - Story
Prequel Trilogy - world building
Sequel Trilogy - Let's destroy everything that was in Original's and Prequel's
No movies are being destroyed by later installations in a franchise. Why would it? The original Terminator movies aren't destroyed by bad sequels. The Godfather wasn't made bad by the third movie. The Matrix wasn't corrupted by Reloaded & Revolutions. You know what destroys movies? Adding and changing later releases like goddamn George Lucas kept doing to the OT.
No one is forcing you to like or even watch the new SW movies. If you hate them - don't. Problem solved.
@@nisseheim4996 your comment is so good that it realy got me thinking
Original trilogy : birth of star wars
Prequels: growth of star wars
Sequels : death of star wars
I hated te sequels when they first came out because i was looking for the flaws. After the rize of skywalker came outi rewatched all of them and realised that some parts were really cool like the snoke death scene. I feel like that people were just looking for something to hate.
@@lavacakegd6071 it was the worst death in all star wars
Fans: Prequels are the worst thing that happened to Star Wars!
Sequels: *come out*
Fans: *to prequels* Perhaps I have treated you too harshly.
Lord Yamcha They always look good to me! Beautiful costumes, beautiful people, love Liam Nessime, young Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensen!!! I loved them all!
TheUltimateGamer245 yes absolutely true. I love Liam Neeson! Great actor He was a perfect master Jedi! He new Anakin was the Chosen One! Perfect for StarWars
In every way!
I never never hated them ! Loved them right along with the OT! Wonderful and so creative. Loved the Costumes , the actors, all of them. They were all different and interesting! Loved the Lore and the LOve Not cringe at all Just situations that can be difficult for a young man to handle. First love we are all a little uncomfortable during that time. That’s what made it good !
@@CvnDqnrU There's always a shittier fish
Aka fake fans that just jump on the hate bandwagon when it's convenient. Fake fans that are a stain to the true SW fanbase. Embarrassing fair-weather fans.
The generation that grew up with the prequels dominates the internet, all the people that hated them are old now and don't care about posting how much they hate something online, also memes i guess?
This. In several years, the new generation will fucking love the new sequels. This is the Way.
Exactly!
Misha HJ and they will hate the next trilogy
I’m 43....I hate TLJ with the passion of a Sith....
@@m1sh474 ok but they are crap
Never hated the prequels they were my movies, never had a problem with Lucas either unlike some
Fans then: The prequels are the worst STAR WARS content
The Sequels: Allow us to introduce ourselves
I have no qualms admitting that my opinion of prequels has risen significantly since disney star wars.
Omar Rojo the force awakens is better than the prequels. So is rogue one. There won’t be a worse Star Wars movie than the last Jedi because of what it did to the original movies and how it hurt the characters.
@@danielmeijer4782
How is Force Awakens better? It's a hard restart of the universe with nothing. Your skilled villain is beat by a junker and a defective storm trooper. It hinged on a good sequel losing all moment with a bad one exposing it's flaws like it's poor world building.
Maj Djinn you should watch a video I watched that changed my opinion on the force awakens. Its called something like “it’s okay to like the force awakens” I’m pretty sure.
@@danielmeijer4782
...so why did I waste my time on bad arguments and bad rebuttals that have nothing to do with me
...the dude not only is wrong is painfully wrong. Rather incompetent to understand combat, story structure, characters and arguments.
....that video is so garbage, I'm almost irritated. It doesn't even give examples or clarifies itself. How did this change your mind? Did you just want really badly to like these movies?
Seriously, I think part of the difference between prequel hate and sequel hate is that the prequels are atleast very memeable. Even the most ardent prequel hater must admit that the memes are fantastic.
I didn't really cover it in the video, it was running long enough, but the memes do help the Prequels. They've made a lot of the cringe worthy lines charming... in an odd sort of way.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Another fine addition to my collection.
Let's also not forget the expanded content on the prequels such as the two Clone Wars shows
And the fact that a lot of the hate came from older people at the time. But now, a lot of the people who were kids at the time (and enjoyed them) are now adults and so they have come into their own in that respect.
It's easy to reassess our stance on the PT when Disney is showing us in real time just how bad Star Wars can actually be when outside Lucas' hands.
Toxic Fans: NOOO! You can’t love the prequels because of the nostalgia factor, they’re bad movies!
Me: haha lego Naboo starfighter go vroom
@Mustiboi Salman dude who sends george lucas an old guy a death tread so badly the prequel fans or the original fan ( not all of them I mean the one who hated the prequels) ?
Use your logic please.
@Mustiboi Salman that's a pretty good point right there. Let's just agree that fanboys are suck and toxic don't you agree ?
I never hated them. I was born in early 90's so wasn't molded by older brothers/critics making me feel bad about them.
I was born in 1990 and those movies are fucking terrible.
I'm one of the RARE individuals who was old enough to experience the original trilogy, as it hit, and yet still appreciate the Prequels (because they satisfied my addiction for Star Wars, which had gone nearly 20 years without any tidings). That being said, I still can't stand to watch "The Phantom Menace" prior to the final lightsaber duel. And "Attack of the Clones" is only good for me in small doses. But I loved "Revenge of the Sith!" I honestly wish that THAT was Episode I, and Episodes II and III were segments of galactic life under the "new order" of Palpatine. You know, just a long tragic tale of how Darth Vader came to grips with how he destroyed everything that was good, and killed his wife. And how a Rebellion was actually born from the ashes of the Republic. That would have been GLORIOUS to watch! How many Star Wars fans would actually be OBSESSED with the Prequel Trilogy if that was the direction it went in???
@HardikG121 How many of today's young Star Wars fans are in exactly the same place as you used to be? Food for thought.
Zoe Kin I still enjoy them and I’m 24. Some people are just hyper critical of shit and are never happy.
@Zoe Kin: OR we they aren't as bad as you think they are and they have their own merit. That's far more than the Disney movies. Stop being so damn ageist!
One main criticisms I have with the Last Jedi is that it does not feel like Star Wars. Superficially, it looks and sounds like Star Wars but many die hard fans including myself did not feel like we were watching a Star Wars movie when viewing Episode 8. It lacks the spirit, themes, and originality of the original Star Wars.
Say what you will about the prequels, but they always felt like Star Wars, a plausible expansion to the Original Trilogy. The morals and messages of prequels always fell in line with the OT, the only criticism one could have is in the execution of those messages.
I cannot extend that sentiment to the Last Jedi which feels so detached from the rest of Star Wars. This was deliberate of course as Rian Johnson himself constantly referenced "subversion" as his storytelling technique of choice. The problem I and many other fans have is that if you subvert everything special about a story, you threaten to make everything that came before pointless and meaningless.
Seeing the Last Jedi just opened our eyes to how bad a Star Wars movie really can be. The one compliment I will give Episode 8 is that at least it made people realize the prequels are not that bad in comparison.
Right on Obi-Wan, best comment here. Dear Disney, please read this, and ensure the new people at Lucasfilm get this before it's too late
I felt the same about TFA, despite it being a retelling of ANH
I'll be a little specific atleast from my perspective. The prequels suffered from poor casting and poor dialog. But the core ideas and the core story all led up to a single point, the fall of the Jedi. There was no SJW agenda. There was no disrespecting of the established canon. You had your black character and your strong female character without them being forced onto us to prove some kind of point.
@@capitalcitygoofball1987 yeah I felt the same about TFA. I almost walked out of the cinema. I thought of doing so for about 10 mins araound halfway through the film, but I literally chose to "be brave" and stay to the very end... I was even worried for JJ Abrams! Imagine how dumbfolded I was when lots of people were cheering for it in the internet. But I did feel extremely disappointed, in a way that I had never felt with any film. Not with Marvel, not even with The Hobbit and the really fan-fictionish parts. Some people may think I'm exaggerating, but that's how I felt... It felt like 100% fanfiction and nothing like a true SW film. TFA was okay, with some very bad parts, but I guess it was more bearable since I was already disappointed of the whole story. Although I have to say, I really liked Rogue One and will still continue watching the TCW series.
@@capitalcitygoofball1987 - I completely agree with you. Doing a beat for beat remake of the original Star Wars movie doesn't demonstrate an understanding of Star Wars. It just means someone knows how to copy a movie. A total cop out on Abrams part.
Snarking aside, I never hated the prequels. I was already in my 20s when they came out, and the only thing I thought was silly was Jar Jar. But I never was an Ewok fan either. I don't hate them
When I was a child, hearing grown adults insult the prequels and people who enjoyed the prequels really made me feel like crap sometimes. I’m hoping children growing up with the sequels don’t feel bad for liking what they like.
This guy gets it
Exactly. The Sequels will end up having the same fate as the Prequels. The people who grew up watching the sequels will love them like people who grew up watching the prequels love them.
Children and teens are actually the *least* interested demographic when it comes to the sequels, most of the people that watch and like the sequels are in their 20s-30s. Trust me, very few children are “growing up” with these movies, even when the prequels came out Star Wars comics, shows, and games were still super popular. Now? Not so much.
@@phnetty2101 Yeah, sure...
Phnetty2 Yeah that’s not right. The prequels were a good story told poorly. So it makes sense kids would enjoy it even when they were older. The sequels were a shit story told terribly. So it makes sense most kids would realize the rancor sized problems with the trilogy.
I never hated the prequels. Rots is still my favorite Star Wars movie.
Phantom Menace will also be special for me, because it was the first SW movie I saw in the cinema.
It is also one of the best looking SW movies, when it comes to the modelwork.
For Episode 1, more models were build, than for the first three movie combined.
Same thing. In my opinion these are my two favorite prequels movies
Hold this W.
The Phantom Menace for me. I love all the prequel films but that one brings warm feelings to my heart.
Shock Wave
Revenge of the Sith is my favorite too, and I grew up on the original trilogy.
The Clone Wars and meme culture happened and made people appreciate characters and dialogue more. Than the sequels happened and made people appreciate stories which were... planned in advance.
I think the story was always a point of debate, it's more the fact that the movies had and still have questionable pace, too much CGI thzt at tiled felt really awkward and some cheesy acting at times.
People in 1999: “uh! The prequels are horrible!”
*16 years later*
Sequels: allow me to o introduce myself
I'd say the hate only crept up in the early 2000s. The first movie was liked by almost everyone on launch
*People in 2005
missed chance for "Hello there"
The prequels are still fucking terrible. The sequels are better in almost every department. Better characters, better dialogue, better action, better film making.
@@GrimGearheart 'Better characters'?!
You mean those discount versions of the original trilogy characters?
What we have is a discount Luke, a discount Han, a very poorly written discount Vader and so on.
Growing up with the prequels as a huge part of my childhood they were what star wars was to me. After rewatching them as an adult I can understand the hate for eps 1 and 2 but ROTS is amazing and my favorite star wars film
Great point I haven’t found a single good argument for why rots sucks
@@yaraelpoof7242 I have found some , Anakin becomes evil to fast , the problem is that the prequels ended with the best one and the sequels started with the best one
People weren’t to disappointed in force awakens like they where with last Jedi
@@yveltalpoderoso1303 It took 3 movies I think that’s decent amount of time but I would like to see more live action prequels stuff
Sidenote: The same thing WON'T happen to the sequels. The sequels do not follow SW lore and have merely destroyed the story while the prequels actually built upon the lore.
The Sexy Skywalker I would have to disagree. Those who grew up with the sequels will have nostalgia in a few years and will defend them to the end while acknowledging their flaws. We also still need to see how episode 9 goes to judge the trilogy as a whole.
The Sexy Skywalker you’re right. JJ gave us a reboot and called it an original movie
@@turkeydinnerchewie2499 But the prequels managed to win over the children, the sequels from what I noticed haven't.
Excellent observation.
@@turkeydinnerchewie2499 Don't know any kids that like the Sequels. Most young people that went to watch it where normies.
The toy sales will tell you that.
3 words THE LAST JEDI. When they broke Anakin's lightsaber in the throne room that was a great visual representation for what they did to Star Wars a whole.
just watched ep7 and 8 back to back and now i love ep8 more because you are unable to comprehend the drama lol. han even said ''luke felt responsible and walked away from everything'' in ep7 after jumping to hyperspace from the big ship.
I agree,when my Lightsaber split in half,it symbolized the
Two fandoms, Prequels vs Original trilogy
It's not just Anakin's lightsaber breaking apart that ruined Star Wars, there's also the fact that they disrespected Luke Skywalker (both the character and Mark Hamill). First, they leave him out of EP7, then they make him into a cowardly, suicidal old bastard in 8, they demonized him by making him the cause of Kylo Ren's turn to the dark side, and they kill him off to add insult to injury.
They also disrespected Han Solo by killing him off too soon (I know Harrison Ford wanted him to die but couldn't the filmmakers hold that thought until EP9?) and they disrespected Leia by not making her a Jedi as it was hinted in Return of the Jedi. What's worse is that Carrie Fisher isn't around to do 9 so now most fans feel cheated.
If the fans had not hated on George Lucas so much, he wouldn't have given up his Star Wars property to Disney.
@@loudboy317 they treated Mark Hamill the way they treated fans and that's explains where they are now all the sjw feminist agenda all that extra stuff outside the movies and in the movies being shoved in our face they're starting to see those people don't pay for Star Wars they won't go buy it they won't support it now they're trying desperately to win back that I was on fan base but I think the damage has been done.
Good point!
I was in first grade when revenge of the sith came out I’ll never forget when my jaw dropped as I watched grevious’s split into four and start spinning them like helicopter blades it blew my mind and the feeling of sadness when obi wan dismembered Anakin on mustafar. I understand if you have issues woth these movies but I always have and always will love them
„What happened to prequel haters?“
Me: „They all became sequels haters“
Hey Natalie Portman’s outfits from the Prequels are why I want to be a professional costume designer
@@BadMannerKorea
Yes yes could
Portwoman*
@@BadMannerKorea That was the best part of the whole movie.
Awesome!!
Yes!! Amazing!
People are now realizing that the PT wasn't as shit as they thought it was. That and the PT had a story to tell while the ST is a nostalgia-driven, cynical, aimless cash grab.
The Killah29 The ST is like a cover band you see at a bar playing someone’s greatest hits.
@@chrisolivo6591 This guy gets it. If only Filoni was in charge instead of Kennedy, we wouldn't be in this mess.
The PT could be very dull. but it was never utterly pointless like a lot of stuff in the ST
@Madolite , they hated it because they wanted more of Mark, Carrie and Harrison in a sequel movie and wanted the real original trilogy free of the cartoon cgi Lucas added and Han shooting second. At least that is my theory. It syncs up with why so many of them support the sequels with the original actors, even if they have been poorly written and directed.
In the context of Star Wars, a huge problem is that good writing & character development have become a lost art form.
1: The clone wars cartoon series.
2: The Sequels.
@C man Man no different to literally any other star wars media then?
The prequel movies are the heart of Star Wars for me.
Jesus. I pity people who care about cinema as art. I really do. Nobody gives a shit about craft anymore, it's fucking depressing.
@@Wveth I disagreed with Jack rabbit clone wars tv show is the heart of Star Wars for me
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo The Prequels are the foundations of The Clone Wars.
@@eragonbromsson1122 But that does that mean they are good movies and you can’t change my mind about that
Revenge of the Sith is one of the best.
It has it's good moments. But Hayden my God Hayden. Just is so AWFUL!!!!
@@dbreiden83080 what? Hayden is an amazing actor and put on a really believable performance
@@dbreiden83080
Hayden isn't a bad actor; he did exactly what George Lucas wanted him to, unfortunately.
The performance itself really isn't that bad, but his dialogue is atrocious. I challenge anyone to say those lines more believably without reworking them.
@@lemagicien2453 After Ep1 came out I thought it couldn't get any worse... until I saw Hayden in Ep2. Worst acting I've seen since Chuck Norris.
@@dbreiden83080 Hayden was terrible? What makes you think Anakin was any different than his portrayal? Put me on set and tell me act genuine to myself. Many would call me a bad actor, but whoever said I was acting at all...
Thor, you state your age as 41 which means you were born in 1978. 1 year after the original came out. I'm 52 and can clearly remember seeing A New Hope in November of 1977. I was 11 at the time. So the impact on me was massive. I enjoyed the prequels from day 1 but, and this is something you didn't mention, in the original novelization of ANH,which was credited to George Lucas, but actually ghostwritten by Alan Dean Foster, there is a 2 page prologue which mentions Palpatine by name and talks about how he was aided and abetted by "restless, power hungry individuals within the government and the massive organs of commerce", which pretty much describes the plot of the prequel trilogy minus the Anakin story which did not exist at the time. The thing is Lucas was consistent in his vision in the prequel he had had the story mapped out for years and he told that story. Granted, it wasn't executed as well as it could have been but i still appreciated the scope and the worldbuilding he was able to achieve in them. So, for me at least, the original trilogy has a special place in my heart because i'm old enough to have seen them in theaters unaltereed. So. the prequels don't have the sense of nostalgia the originals did but, to me, they are still good movies despite their flaws.
I'm 36. I wasn't there in 1977 when Star Wars was completely unlike anything before it. I missed the wtf moment in ESB, and the years of waiting for what's next. The impact of the OT was all around me when I was really young, but I wasn't a part of it
The PT warts and all is "special" to me because I watched them in the theater. At the same time, my experience is different compared to those who were exposed to the PT as kids, before even getting around to the OT. I don't know where people like me, who were born during the OT, fit in all this
And I agree that the PT was baked into the cake since ANH (which is why I skipped the needless ST, even before TLJ and other controversies)
I'm 41 and I was not born in 1978.
The screenplay for A New Hope was written by A ghostwriter with the initials AM. Those initials are found in the symbols behind Darth Vader when he lifts up the guy by the neck. The M is found in the negative spaces and upside down on the right one.
His mother's maiden name is Perkins and that is where Porkins got his name.
He went on to write hundreds of screenplays, songs, videogame concepts and some books.
The Far Side
The Dark Side
There is also A Star Wars code. 2746 is A clue but I am not going to get anymore detailed on that subject for quite awhile.
The ghostwriter is A reincarnated writer from A previous life. Also A child prodigy. He was born on Nov. 16, 1976. Look up the release dates of the first HP movie, videogame and A Fantastic Beasts movie.
I love reading all this reminiscing about the Original Trilogy and it just reminded my first experience with it in 1997 when I was 8, yes I know it wasn't the original release, I went to the cinemas and they were replaying older films and one of the was the Star Wars Trilogy and I was excited and I felt the same awe in that cinema seeing the Imperial Destroyer for the first time even though I am only just 30, and I hoped my children could experience the same thing but it is just not going to happen. Those days are over and you are lucky to get an old film played in the cinemas.
Ever since first seeing Darth Vader chocking Captain Antilles and watching R2-D2 and C-3PO navigating those halls, I had a favorite movie and I have never left, I prefer the OT but love the PT and I do find its flaws a part of its charms. Ever since I have gone down the rabbit hole and I have loved KotOR 1 and 2 which captured the twist and morality of the OT and I have enjoyed many of the games loved the comics and I have been wanting to read the books but access to them here is just non existant.
I am disappointed in the ST because it feels empty, hollow... like sn insult to the original fans unlike the PT which were respectful while trying to cater to a new audience. But the ST is trying to Replace the old fans. It fails to capture the depth or the morality and brushes over or does away with established lore and charachter development. I have many issues with them.
But none the less I will allways love the OT and PT as well as the old games and comics abd I want to get into the novels.
Craig Barron Jesus Christ is Lord of all! God bless you all! Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, is too difficult for the Lord our God, with Christ, ALL things are possible!
I only recently watched the prequels ant the OT, and, personally, the prequels felt muuch better than people said, yeah, the OT especially empire is significantly better, but the prequels felt like good movies.
@C man Man Idk much about what other people say, I just personally liked empire the most lol
Disclaimer: The prequels were the Star Wars I knew and grew up loving. It's been my favourite trilogy for years and it's annoying that so much of the fandom were shitting on them but now instantly start loving them and pretend they've been there the whole time.
Everyone before Disney buys Star Wars: "The prequels suck."
Everyone after Disney buys Star Wars: "OMG the prequels are so good and my favourite SW trilogy."
Their eyes were opened to the monstrosity that only true corporate greed can conjure, one that overshadows the prequels.
It almost convinced me that Star Wars was sold by Lucas to Disney on purpose because he knew what would be done to it in the hands of corporation, and wanted fans to crawl back and apologize. People say it as a joke, but it's looking less and less far fetched by the minute.
To be be completely honest. I used to be one of those people who hated the prequels because it was cool. Do I have actual problems and legitimate criticism for them? Of course, but I would just blanket statement them as trash for the longest time.
Then the Disney Star Wars movies came out. And now I see while the prequels are flawed, they still told an original story and most importantly WERE RESPECTFUL TO THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY. George actually tried with episodes 1-3. Unlike Jar Jar Abrams and Rian "I'll never work in Hollywood again" Johnson.
George put blood, sweat, and tears into the prequels and after seeing the travesty of what we have now, I think it finally shows. I think now even if you still hate the prequels you can at least admit they are:
1. Better than the disney sequels
2. Better for Star Wars canon
Firstname Lastname i was the same as I had major problems with the PT for the longest time. But Disney SW opened my eyes to how much we take Lucas storytelling for granted. The PT had a micro/macro arc of The rise of Palpatine/Empire and the downfall of Anakin/Republic. I can’t think of what the ST arc is for the story or characters and that’s the problem.
While the PT still has execution problems, I have come to appreciate the movies more now. Maybe Lucas was the Phantom Menace selling to Disney knowing they’d screw it up and fans like us would re-evaluate the PT? Lol
Firstname Lastname ehhh, the sequels are much better imo. The Force Awakens itself is more competent than all three of the prequels.
Subscribe to Pewdiepie TFA is a total rehash of ANH, literally from start to finish. I like the movie and it’s entertaining (mostly cause it’s a rehash of a movie love), but there is nothing else there when you take a step back. Empty mystery boxes that had no payoff in TLJ.
I think that tfa is a great movie, a few scenes aside. Which is the same thing I can say about episodes 2 and 3. Episode 1 is a struggle to like.
Full context, I grew up after the hype had died. Loved episode 5 enjoyed 6 and tolerated 4 instead of loved because it was slower. I thought it was interesting that I enjoyed episode 4 as an adult Way more than kid me who didn't like the slow roll of the movie. Of course I liked it, the falcon and lightsabers and Luke blowing up the death star, but I like all three at the same level now.
Saying all that to say this, when asked which sw movie I want to watch, its 4, 5,6 or 7. I wonder if that will change again years from now when 7 isn't a "new refreshing film" for me.
And to throw salt about carelessly, the only good thing from 8 was the Rey and Ben talks through the force. But in full context it isn't even discovery if snoke linked them now is it. That fucking director I swear to God!
@@chrisolivo6591 I hear you and hello internet said the same thing along with everyone else. You're right of course but until someone said it, I never noticed as was the same with the Aragon trilogy. In short, it doesn't bother me.
Revenge of the Sith saved the prequel trilogy in my opinion. Love that movie, and I love the way it ended that trilogy.
Sure, obi wan leaving Anakin though... what a dick move!
@@DH-fu7bx What else could he do, kill him? No, he's too honourable to kill someone helpless in cold blood. Give him a cuddy-back all the way to exile on Tatooine, and btw not tell him he'll be looking out for the son that could replace him? Anakin brought all that nonsense on himself and he only has himself to blame for ending the way he did.
Saltire sure but obi-wan could’ve showed some mercy and ended Anakin. Obi-Wan was the first to draw his blade, he should be the one to end it. It’s the honourable thing to do
D H Jedi don't believe in mercy killing.
Super Smash Revan But Jedi are all about mercy, are the not?
I loved them as a kid, learned to dislike them as an influenced teenager, now I love them back
I love the prequels even more because of the memes
TheMrTischbein I still don’t like them and prefer the sequels. And I wanted to make a list of the top ten best prequel moments. I couldn’t think of many and the list was 1 the opera house and 2 THE MEMES.
Dingo13550 do you really like the sequels more? What’s wrong with you
Jerom Nothing’s wrong with me, I’m a completely normal. I just don’t like the prequels. The sequels are a missed opportunity and disappointing, but to me I really like TFA, don’t like TLJ but still enjoy the good stuff in it, and TROS can die in fire (It’s my least favorite). Where with the prequels I hate TPM and AOTC and I think ROTS is meh.
@Dylan I don't know how he doesn't understand that the sequels only have good visuals
Guys we all love star wars. There is no reason for getting such agressive. I like Prequels, he likes sequels and you like whatever you like. Btw what went wrong with my life. Why am i commenting on a conversetion happened 99999 years ago
1-disney
2-uncanonizing of EU
3-kathleen kennedy
4-the force awakens
5-the last jedi
6-Prequel memes
SuperGiantRobot Rocket as for Kennedy did George really hand pick her to shepherd his legacy wow did she pull a Friedman -Benioff and Weiss on him you can tell she hated Lucasfilm and George...?
The last Jedi should be ahead of the force awakens
SuperGiantRobot Rocket 7-We grew up and moved on
EU/Legends were never canon to begin with so why even have it on the list smh.
De-canonising the EU is the biggest error.
Both for Disney and the UK 😂
Excluding the dialogue, the themes of the prequels are outright Shakespearian. There are a lot of elements from Othello and Hamlet in there, as well as others. Tragedy being key.
Indeed, the prequel trilogy was a tragedy.
Tetsujin Quite fitting when you think about it. Few films can have themes that apply to the very reality of the film as a medium.
Now watch Kenneth Branagh's HAMLET and see how genius that play and movie is and how badly Lucas did in comparison.
I can say Batman & Robin has similar themes to THE GODFATHER but that doesn't make it any good.
crazymaner2003 Did Batman and Robin really have similar themes to the Godfather?
@@purpleemerald5299 Crime and family are the two that spring to mind.
The cgi in the prequels was the state of the art of that time. Unfortunately cgi doesn't age well.
I grew up with the OG and the prequels, I love all the background stuff in starwars, the droids, weapons, creatures and ships, the OG only gave so much to that, were as the prequel gave us so much more, like the droideka, plus, all of the film has some horrible dialogue os its not just the prequels
I used to love hating the Prequels. Then New Star Wars was so bad that.. I couldn't help but admire the genuine creativity and attempt at world building that the Prequels did. They're flawed, but they're family.
they actually feel like Star Wars movies unlike the Sequels
Very well said.
That's one of the traps fans fall for. Thinking something becomes better when something worse gets released.
@@artman40
It's a trap
@@artman40 no its called appreciating something you took for granted..
I didn’t love the prequels, but I did love the characters...I honestly did love the portrayal of Anakin, made me love Vader even more, and it also made me see him more human. I loved seeing Yoda be a complete badass, I absolutely loved Obi Wan, and the introduction of the droids...and let’s not forget how brilliantly Palpatine was portrayed.
Same tbh. I don't think the movies were great ( except ep3) but Clone wars tv show, Plagueis and labyrinth of evil novels and Dark times comic made me love the prequel era even more. Everything seems so hopeless and dark. You feel so bad about the Jedi bc they were doomed from the beginning.
You right, yoda doesn't receive enough love, but ge was so great
I agree
Ian McDiarmid's portrayal of Palpatine was epic. I think without him, the prequels would have been much worse.
Sounds like you love the prequels then.
For me, I always loved them. I saw the OT really young because my older siblings had grown up with them and I loved watching them. Return of the Jedi was and still is my favourite SW movie. Then the prequels came out and I grew up with them and they made me love Star Wars so much more. I feel like I liked the OT just generally as movies but the prequels got me invested in the characters, story and lore. I'd always loved Darth Vader's redemption in ROTJ so I loved seeing Anakin's tragic rise and fall and he's still my favourite character in the whole saga. Revenge of the Sith is probably my second favourite SW movie and it churns my emotions like none of the other movies do.
I will say though that while I still love them today, I never noticed the flaws so much when I was a kid and I definitely do now. I just loved the story, characters, action and romance but now I can definitely notice and cringe at the cheesy dialogue and acting. It doesn't diminish my love for them though.
I've always loved them. I only heard about the hate some years ago, when I began using the internet.
I’m not a convert. I always loved the prequels
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@rain Alaska too nice? Did you even watch?
Same here prequels are incredible, all three of them
@rain Alaska So you have a clear prejudice, that aside he killed a whole village in anger, and let his lust for power control him.
@rain Alaska You're off
These are my rankings for prequels
1.Revenge Of The Sith
2.The Phantom Menace
3. Attack of the clones
Attack of the clones had world building to say the least
@Sammy N And horrible CGI
I loved atoc
I can't call the Prequels good movies per se, but they did have a great original concept behind them, and there is still some value in watching them. They were just poorly executed.
This my prequel ranking: yes
I fell like this is what happened:
People like me who were children when the prequels were coming out loved them because they were what brought us into Star Wars, but we weren’t on the internet because we were so young. The people who hated on them on the internet were people who grew up on the cinematic masterpieces of the OT were more vocal because they had the ability to be so. Once those who grew up with the PT got on the internet, we started to spread our love for the prequels. Then the ST made the PT looks like the holy grail by comparison.
One can only guess what the Sequels will be like in 20 years
You forgot those like me that love the Clone Wars Series which I do admit increased my love of the prequels.
They have helped close a lot of the glaring plot holes of the PT.
"a good story told poorly" describes my feelings about the prequels. my feelings about the sequel trilogy are complete puzzlement.
Let me sum up my opinion so far:
A bad story told poorly
Griffin Kimball “Yet looks amazing”..
In summation, they replaced the Force with Girl Power and thus introduced Mary Sue as a third type of Force user in addition to the Jedi and Sith. Something that more resembled a Marvel comics character with new found super powers than Star Wars character sensitive to the Force. I would not be surprised if Rey will become a new character in the all-female MCU.
The story isn't that great though. Maybe in the general sense of the decline of democracy, but the detailed plot is pretty stupid.
Their story is:
Oops, I dropped A New Hope in the copy machine.
JJ is a poopoohead and I will break his toys
Rian is a poopoohead and I will break *his* toys!
And that metastory is still better than the one in the movie.
They weren’t perfect but I love them all the same.
World building was good
Music was fantastic
Emperor Palpatine was great
Darth Maul fight was beautiful
The movies were a bit mediocre as a whole because of some very bad elements . However the prequels had some very good elements. It was quite volatile really. That is why they grow with age because people view the good scenes and forget the bad.
I agree with you on many of your points but Palpatine. Most of his line delivery was so campy and over the top. I loved the Emperor in the original trilogy but cringe at him in the prequels. The scene where he kills Mace Windu and yelling "No, No No!". I just don't understand what they were going for there lol.
@@faz6877 The way I see it, Lucas was going for golden-age-of-cinema, "timeless" campy villain. He's well aware that this stuff is over the top, he just happens to love it, for better or worse. When he made the first one, Ford and Fisher basically told him to piss of with that dialogue, but with Rick McCallum pretty much sealing him off from any criticism whatsoever, there was no one to rein in his more egregious eccentricities. Which is why we got "You're in my very soul, tormenting me". And yet, SO MUCH better movies than the sequels.
@@rocnathan : I understand if Lucas was going for over the top, I might argue on the "timeless" part lol. I can go with camp, Evil Dead II is one of my favorite movies. But they had already established the Emperors personality in the OT. Growing up that was my favorite character besides Luke. But I can't help but cringe at some of his line delivery in the prequels.
@@faz6877 I really like that 30s-villain, mustache-twirly camp - in movies of the 30s and 40s. It just seems to be something that Lucas really likes, critics be damned. I can see him taking Ian McDiarmid asdie after the first seven takes and going "We're getting there, but do you think you can do even faster and more intense?"
I'm one of the 61%. Although even I will say that the prequels lack a certain, to be vague about it, "magic" that the original trilogy had, they still never struck me as decidedly bad movies. Everyone seemed to rip on these films hardcore mostly because "OMIGAWD TEH LIFELESS CG" and "OMIGAWD SAND EVERYWHERE LUL WHAT HORRIBLE WRITING", but the CG thing never _really_ bothered me (even though I do still prefer practical effects) and...come on guys, seriously, we're attacking the _prequel_ films for having uniquely bad writing and dialogue? Alec Guinness himself expressed frustration over the - in his words - "banal" nature of the dialogue in the original trilogy. Hell, storywise they're basically carbon copies of various Kurasawa films. Can we all just take off our rose tinted glasses and admit that, while the original trilogy is fantastic and comprises some of the most important movies ever made, maybe it WASN'T PERFECT? Believe it or not, *it is 100% okay and ALLOWABLE to enjoy imperfect things.*
Also a complete lack of cinematography and interesting use of camera and lighting, which the OT excelled at. A complete lack of chemistry between characters, which the OT excelled at. Character arcs that happened in fits and starts rather than smoothly (and Anakin's takes a completely absurd leap in 3 when he decides to just murder innocent children for no reason), which the OT excelled at. Honestly, besides the fact that the dialogue in either trilogy isn't THAT great, they are not half as similar as these new nostalgia-blinded fans claim they are.
I love the prequels most for the world building and scale along with battles and lightsaber fights.
Always liked the prequels personally. Great lore and world building, just some poor writing issues. Overall still has that special something that makes star wars star wars though
The sequel trilogy, specifically TLJ is what happened.
Although TFA has some issues, I still enjoyed it ... and really hoped TLJ was going to be better. Could it be Empire-esque?
And then TLJ hit the theaters and we saw just how big the Mouse's crap-shovel really is. Really sad. Folks do not respond favorably to science fiction when social commentary is inserted into it.
@@IndianaJoe0321 Well Star Trek TOS is full of Social commentary but I get what you're saying.
@@IndianaJoe0321 Of course, some of us saw through the façade immediately with TFA. Lucas strove to make every SW movie new and different. There was nothing new or different about TFA. And, frankly, it laid the groundwork for most of the problems that became more patently obvious in TLJ.
And it was horrible.
As someone who is also a fan of Trek, social commentary is fine when it's done well. As it stands social commentary is one of many things TLJ did horribly.
The prequels had good games and the best memes
watch those wrist rockects!
I love the prequels I’ve always enjoyed them especially revenge of the sith
Prequels didnt hate us, unlike everything Episode 7 on.
I beg to differ (remember midiclorions)
@@joelpesachowitz8635 You clearly dont see what Im saying here.
The prequels didn’t hate on the fans the same way sequels did (Lucas didn’t call the fans that disliked his films sexists) but they way Lucas disregards and goes out of his way to retcon some of things the originals established, which is spitting in the faces of all the OG trilogy fans. Also he released the special editions of the og trilogy and then refused to release the og trilogy in its original unaltered form and instead made the special editions the only official release of the og trilogy. I would say that that’s spitting in the faces of people who grew up with the og trilogy.
@@joelpesachowitz8635 Im sure you would say that to the end of time just so you wouldnt need to accept that you are wrong.
Disregarding someone =/= Hating someone
All I’m saying is that I disagree with what you said and I’m just trying to explain why, I’m not disregarding what you said or hating on you
The sequels came out, and people realised that the Prequels look like masterpieces in comparison. That's probably the best thing about the sequel trilogy, in fact; I was always a little annoyed by how over the top the hate was for the prequels, and it's good that people can finally see that there was a LOT of merit to them. Especially in terms of worldbuilding; I think that the Clone Wars era was WAY more interesting than the Civil War Era, because the Civil War was just good guys VS Bad guys, whereas in the Clone Wars Era you had 'heroes on both sides', where there were some well meaning sepratists, and of course corrupt and evil members of the Republic, yet the Republic were still seen as the 'good' guys. I think JJ Abrams constant prequel bashing was pretty shameful, and just goes to highlight how only George Lucas and Dave Filoni have really done Star Wars justice on-screen.
You also had bounty hunters and Crime Syndicates plus Maul created his own criminal empire to rival the republic and separatists combined. Way more content to explore in the PT than the OT which is still amazing. The ST doesn't have anything interesting so far, I'll reserve final judgement for the ST after IX comes out.
All of these are benefits of a cartoon. Not the prequel trilogy. I’d argue that the Clone Wars series made what was decent, into something grand.
@@crackedupmonk it was already amazing from the films if you understand what was going on
Attack Of The Clones is something that a Star Wars movie should never be, boring.
Lance37a AotC while the weakest of the original 6, is still 100x more fun than TLJ and it’s super slow chase setup, or Finn and Rose’s side ‘story’
I'm glad the hate has stopped and apreciation and love have came to it (i guess overhated films will be rewarded for it's suffering over time). Not only that, but the prequal haters were brought to justice by being exposed about how pathetic and childish they were and how they wrongfully bashed them (and George Lucas). Believe it or not, there are still a small amount of haters trying to keep the hate wagon going, but it most llikely won't work.
Meh... you can say the same about the Sequels. They suck, but people who saw them as kids will like them in 10 years or whatever.
Marc Russo nah, I grew up with the sequels and they suck. prequels are awesome
i was born in '91 so grew up on the prequels, i always enjoyed the story of star wars even when the film was flawed. if anything, my enjoyment of eps1&2 allowed me to get through the originals even though they were so dated.
Obi-Wan had the high ground over Rian Johnson. That’s why.
Hello, there.
Rian Johnson: You underestimate my power!
@@austin9568AuraMasterDX Don't try it!
My allegiance is to the fans, to the franchise!
The Clone Wars animated series happened.
And the memes, and the Darth Plageuis novel... Really the Prequel Era is so rich with drama and action, it makes the Rebel vs. Empire/ Rebellion vs. First Order more dull in comparison.
You get a gold star ⭐️
The clone wars actually improved the prequels, but resistance has made me hate the sequels even more
I loved the 2003 series!
The PT era is more fascinating than the OT era. All the political scheming, underworld businesses going on, the power grabs, battles being fought with an ulterior motives behind them like securing the banks, secrecy and etc.
You can’t trust the age range of your viewers I was born in 2003 so I grew up with UA-cam and constantly lied about my age when I made internet accounts
The children grew. Now we have a voice. What people dont realise is that the prequels were our childhood and we dont really care about the ancient "originals dislike the prequels". This is were we started and introduced us to the originals. My first experience was from first episode to last and I loved every second of it and I truly see it as the anakin saga. Seeing him grow up to his end was a highlight for me. We grew up and our voices have been added to the polls.
Prequels make a colorful and amazing world. They can be insane silly but they made a lot of cool stuff in univerce and thats why they are a good thing.
MagicMan MagicMan lets not forget they had the best music and duels in the entire saga.
Yeah young obi wan is way cooler than old obi wan.
I was 5 when Revenge of the Sith came out and i saw it in Theaters. I was blown away and had been a fan ever since, as a kid seeing all the hate online made me sad af lol but i grew up and now i can defend them cause in all honesty the prequels only elevate the OT and star wars as a whole 1000 times more. World building, Characters, Politics, Lore, Epicness, a real War between powerful factions not just Rebel cells versus an all powerful Empire that somehow loses? The movies story were amazing but it was poorly executed into films. I now say with pride now Clones wars era>>>>>>Galactic Civil war era all damn day!!!
Sequel's are an abomination
Amen . I saw them at 18 ( late fan ) but they are actually what brought me to look at the Original .
Agreed. I grew up with the OT, but was still young enough when TPM came out to identify with Anakin. I got to grow with him, as his and my difficulties in life became more serious over time. The Prequels are, for the most part, better than the Originals and a lot deeper.
Zay Ray Sup bro. I was 7 when ROTS came out. Still the best SW!!! I don’t think any future SW can beat it.
@@bsalini1949 We grew up with it together as fans. Still best movie for me lol
the first star wars movie i watched was the phantom menace so i watched the prequels first and i recently re watched those movies and i think they are pretty good.
I was born into and lived in the era of the prequels.
However, my dad was born into and lived in the era of the originals.
He knew the prequel trilogy was my era of Star Wars while the classics where his. He had me watch the originals first since that was when they where canonically released but he also showed me the prequel trilogy.
While he wasn't as big of a fan of the 'new' (at the time) Star Wars, he knew that I lived them and had the same effect on me as a kid as the original trilogy had on him.
I don't have any kids yet but when I do, the new trilogy will be for them. There is an era of Star Wars for everyone and I think that if we can see that Star Wars is for everyone and not just the people of our era, I feel like both we as fans and the franchise can better grow to our best selves.
Lucas did say early on that the prequels weren’t going to be like the originals. Don’t understand why haters didn’t understand that before seeing it. You can even tell just by the trailers. No Falcon or X-Wings in them.
They're still absolute trash, they're just less trash than the sequels
@@motti6569 (oh man I love generalizations) really dude? Did you live under a rock the past 9 years? People don't have the patience? What is game of thrones (before the collapse)? That shit was going on for years. A competently told story of the rise of Palpatine is something the prequels are not, it is a story told in a fucking dogshit way. That's why people hate them. The sequels don't suck because they lack complexity and only focus on action, they suck because they.... suck. I mean...have you watched them? Even the action has no weight, it looks kind of neat, but it's meaningless.
Now I will say, I have this nagging feeling that I misunderstood your comment, if so, I apologise, English isn't my first language.
It's because of the sequel trilogy, people realize that even if they don't agree with George Lucas' vision for the prequels, at least there WAS a vision and there was real passion behind it and it was planned out and had the same team working on it throughout
Always loved the Prequels!!! The Droids are my favorite!!!! Love playing them on the original Battlefront series and even the reboot on the PS4!!! And now they won't hate the Prequels because of what Disney has done to the Sequels!!!!!
The PT had Obi one, Anakin, yoda and sidius as MAIN protagonists. At their worst, the PT movies had characters that we love, and build the story around them, introducing new characters. The ST have nothing. We don't care about rey, we don't care about Finn, we don't care about rose or Poe as main characters in a trilogy of SW. Not only that, but they also kill in very unmemorable ways the original characters. Far too late they admit their mistake, and now episode 9, with only 2,5 hours, needs to fix everything...
Han Solo being lightsabered by his son desperate to go to the dark side is unmemorable? Luke Skywalker CHOOSING to transcend with the Force in front of his vision of twin suns unmemorable? I think you are mistaken.
@@agathisrobusta oh it's memorable all right. In the same sense that being hit in the face with a hammer is memorable. And I lived through both. Give me the hammer again before another Disney SW movie, please. What's going to happen to Lando? Is he going to be in a driod-brothel and be.. impaled to death from behind by a.. service droid? Ackbar already got killed like an utter disgrace. How about Chewbacca just dies tripping over a cable in the Falcon? He was already demoted from Han's partner to Rey's pet that came with the ship. Might as well finish him off like chump too. And I suppose to finish off the old cast like Luke and Han died might as well just have R2 and 3p0 plug themselves into wall sockets over and over till they both die. Then the disgracing of the original trilogy cast members will be complete. The only one that will *hopefully* get a death that won't be a disgrace already passed away.
@@erikhawkke4861 Whatever man, just take the hammer already and spare me your god-awful whinging.
@@agathisrobusta Different opinion detected! Execute NPC program 001 personal insult and wishing harm. Program ran successfully! Tweet about to fellow humaniods.
@@erikhawkke4861 Seems like you wished yourself harm. In any case I expect you're as much of a 'non-player' as anyone you might call an "NPC" but go get 'em with the meaningless bandwagon insults buddy!
I'm almost 40 and Revenge of the Sith is my favorite Star Wars movie. Empire in close second.
justin simone Same
Simple, prequel fans and original trilogy fans have found a common enemy
Sequels
OT fan here, I agree.
When I was a teen I was part of the Plinkett crowd. I still agree with some of his points, but over the years I've grown to love and appreciate what the prequels did for the overall lore of Star Wars. I love how Palpatine's rise to power is shown and the politics behind it. It's very real, which is rare for something as fantastical as Star Wars.
3:09 I'm going to have to disagree here. There were absolutely moments when George Lucas was challenged on his ideas. A couple of examples which come to mind: Lucas originally didn't much like the idea of doing a GCI Yoda, but he was convinced after some renderings were shown to him. Another example yet again involves Yoda: There was a moment in Revenge of the Sith where Yoda throws his saber at a clone trooper, and while the trooper is impaled with the lightsaber, Yoda leaps to the trooper and "pulls" the lightsaber from the trooper. Lucas originally thought this was too violent, but he was convinced by those around him to keep it in the film.
Now, I think you can successfully argue that on the whole, Lucas; ideas weren't challenged that much, but it's also a myth to claim he was only surrounded by "yes" people. Furthermore, with some issues, such as dialogue, Lucas intentionally wrote them as bad or campy (and he knew this!) in an effort to emulate the Flash Gordon serials he idolized so much. Now, was it a good idea to do that? The answer is probably "no," but for me, I think it adds a certain charm to the films. I don't think he ever set out to make the greatest movies ever; just fun movies that everyone could enjoy. Perhaps some people took them too seriously, and I know I've been guilty of taking these movies too seriously sometimes.
The funny thing is, Attack of the Clones was always my favorite. If there is one thing I would change in that movie, it's that I would make Anakin jump out of the window to catch the droid who brought the killer worms and not Obi-wan. I felt like that's more of padawan Anakin thing to do.
In Revenge of the Sith, I love the first part of the scene, where Windu and Jedi masters come to arrest Palpatine. I hated the fight itself, it was really badly done, which is a shame, because it had the potential to be one of the best jedi lightsaber combats ever. Four jedi masters against one sith lord.
The thing I loved about prequels is that it developed jedi combat. And we could see a mass jedi battle, jedi leading troopers, 2vs1, Yoda vs Dooku, Yoda vs Palpatine, etc. It wasn't just the old 1 vs 1. I'm sad that Disney Trilogy brought nothing new to the saga in this department...
Revenge of the Sith, not Return of the Jedi
@@uzifx fixed, thanks
Speaking as a teen that likes the prequels, yet didnt fully understand them. Now have a greater interest towards them.
One idea, is that during our teen years. We had the clone wars / rebels. Those stories built directly ontop of the prequels, and had a massive impact on our childhoods / identities. These characters meant a lot, as we might have substituted them in to our own lives. Always Learning from the show.
I found out about your channel more recently, but I grew up with the prequels and clone wars (moreso clone wars), but my opinion fluctuated throughout the years, as I loved it when I was younger, resented it during the early 2010s due to the trend online, and once I got more into film criticism (and memes) over the past few years, I grew to appreciate them again due to looking at characterization and world building (plus the Disney Star Wars films gave me a comparison for what happens when the people running the films don't have the same affection as George)
without the prequels we wouldnt have gotten SW battlefront 2. ( oldschool one ), spikey boi Darth Maul, a cool charismatic Obiwan, amazing SW Clone Wars TV show and all the good characters/char-development, grape lightsabers, Roger Roger, them musical scores (Duel of the fates etc.)
I grew up with the prequels but watched the originals first. lemme tell you I mainly watched Ep 1. for that high octane final act. as a kid i didnt care for the other parts. Ep 2. was meh for me but still liked it for some parts. Ep 3. whoo boi did that bait and switch get me. seeing all the "good guys" get slaughtered, anakin and obiwan fight, seeing Darth Vader become true was (from a personal point) the best arc of SW.
the prequels made me rewatch the originals and if your prequel can do that, it did its job and then some.
*I consider Rouge One a honorary prequel who just came late to the party cause they wanted to look nice.*
I saw each of the prequels 3 times in theaters.
EP I: The Pod Race - The Duel
EP II: Loved the Noir Intro - Gladiator scene - Yoda ('nuff said) - Jango Fett
EP III: Beginning w/ Dooku - Order 66 (Bold move, Cotton) - Obi-Wan vs. Anakin
I saw The Force Awakens ONCE in theaters.
I have not watched it fully again...I always stop at Finn's "cute boyfriend" line, because it breaks my immersion.
I skipped the Last Jedi (in theaters) and saw it with [Blackbeard].
Let the internet ponder on why this is.
because you have a huge ego and the internet hadn't been around to point out all the flaws
to see why the prequels are fucking dirt, watch the redlettermedia reviews
@@silenthill4 Please lets just be civilized about somone elses opinion and not start a fight.
Nebadon Adams I was a month old when Episode II came out, but I was present still. I also saw III in theaters(both on opening night btw), and I’ve always loved RotS. When TFA came out, I saw it once, then I saw Rogue One 4 times in theaters, I skipped TLJ(cuz I never had time), but then I only watched it once. Solo tho, I saw that 3 times in theaters
@@silenthill4 So uncivilized.
HardikG121 they’re honestly not.
I’ve always liked the prequels. Episode 1 is my favorite of all the movies.
Have always been a diehard prequel fan and open about it. Everything others consider flaws (the melodrama, CGI, politics) I adore about them. To each their own.
The only thing I ever had against the prequels were the cringy love scenes with Anakin and Padmé. I loved everything else, including Jar Jar. lol
We all know that Jar Jar is a Sith Lord. Darth Jar Jar is love. Darth Jar Jar is life.
Funny how different tastes can be. For me, the love story is the best thing about the prequels. It is what drives them forward, and also what gives ROTS that tragic, gut-wrenching quality!
fundhund62 True SW-fans can agree to disagree. Even though I disagree with you I can understand your opinion.
Yeah as a kid I found those parts with padme and the parts including the Senate as the boring part of the movie.
Same I hated when he said I hate sand it’s gets everywhere . It was so cringe. 🤦🏿♀️
Growing up, my father was a big Star Wars OT fa. He shared it with us and let us play with his wave 1 New Hope figures (what a mistake hahah!). As a youngling, I did not take much interest in Ep.4 and 5 (I did not enjoy until much later in life). But man, was I hooked when he showed us ROTJ.
Then, when Ep.1 showed up and I got my first glimpse of QuiGon and Maul and that duel of the fates - that was it. I went to see all the prequels in theatres and enjoyed every one of them.
Interestingly though, my father did not really enjoy the prequels. He felt they were too political in nature and lacked some of the adventure or magic of the OT. I can understand the perspective, since the OT brought something completely new to the scifi scene when it launched.
Anyway, I also think the prequel memes have impacted a more positive view of the prequels over the years. Just a thought.
Is your father still around? What does he think of the sequels so far? They reflect the OT a lot more than the PT.
@@agathisrobusta Thank you for asking, he is alive and well!
He feels the sequels are "too real". He has aged as some of his heroes have (Luke and Han mainly) and felt some of the same struggles they have in the movie. He also felt that the First Order rising in the aftermath of the Empire gave the whole story a feeling of futility. Here are the heroes from his time, who conquered this great evil, only to have evil rise again.
I don't think he minds the story itself mirroring parts of the OT - but I don't think he liked seeing the degradation/discarding of what he grew up with.
@@zahndahn6369 Thanks for the reply. I grew up with the OT myself and can definitely relate to some of the struggles of the original older characters. I'm a fan of and enjoy all the films so far.
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The Duel of Fates was one of the only high points of the movie. If I hadn't seen it so many times, I'd probably see it in more positive light. For me, it's a good part in a mostly poor movie. I feel that its faults outweigh its virtues.
I've always liked the Prequels and yes, the sequel trilogy make me love the Prequels even more.
i actually really dug them...Episode 3 is damn good
Episode 2 is my favourite. Two hours of pure cinematic magic!
@@fundhund62 I give you credit..if you edit out the annie an padme scenes this movie is pretty solid
@@ghostwolf1435 That's funny. Their scenes are actually my favourite part of the movie! And their chemistry is what makes episode 3 so damn sad!
Ghost Wolf eeeh... not all of it.
Some of it ? Definitely, but there are some scenes with Parma and Anakin in epII are rather good. Or mediocre, at worst (off the top of my head : when they are going to Naboo, when they are eating on Naboo, and when they are on Tatooine and on geonosis).
And as bad and cheesy as they can be... I have to say that they are still befitting of the characters we see. It doesn’t make them good, let me be clear, but they are still coherent.
fundhund62 that’s your favorite part of the movie ?
Just to be clear, which ones are you talking about ? Because some of them are good and help making epIII even sadder (like Padme and Anakin on Tatooine when his mother dies), but some of them are just... far too cheesy for me to appreciate them even though they aren’t that bad in and of themselves, it’s just that they are too unsubtle to fit into the movie in my taste, and there isn’t enough happening besides romance for me to care about them.
But still, even if it was Anakin+Padme on Tatooine... what about Kamino? It’s easily the best part of the movie, or when they are in the lower sectors of Coruscant.
The prequels are my favorites. Episode 3 is one of the best Star Wars movies. The prequels added to the original movies. These new sequels destroy everything in the Star Wars universe.
xboxkiller I love the prequels
The Prequels make the OT way better
"destroy everything in the Star Wars universe"
*lightsaber helicopters sweat nervously*
seriously, what do they "destroy"? I get that people are upset at the light speed ram, but come on that was epic. remember when Ben said "...and he was a good friend" about Anakin, and now we see the duel on Mustafar every time he says that? remember Yoda giving commands to clone "focus fire on the closest ship" or something like that? remember Yoda flipping around?
also if you're talking about Palpatine coming back, yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh that's dumb.
@@atocanboi409 The Prequels are awesome
@@steevrawjers *clears throat* ok *clap* so
I get that you can enjoy a movie even if it's bad. nostalgia, things being dumb therefor funny and all of that comes into play.
but what is good about them? half the action scenes are dumb and bad, the acting isn't great, the directing and writing suck, the effects aren't that good and there are numerous plot holes and character destructions, despite that being the main problem with the Sequels for a lot of people. also that's personal but I don't like the way they look.
all things considered I can't say I like the prequels.
say it. say it now.
I shouldn't...
*dew it*
the memes are legendary is my point.
@@atocanboi409 yes there is that
I am technically not in the age bracket that grew up with the OT, but it still where I got my introduction to Star Wars. It was still somewhat of a pop culture phenomenon when I was growing up, we are talking the mid 90s. I can recall it was doing a TV run in my country and the tv-adds for it fascinated me greatly, but my parents would not let me watch it. So I did what children. I found another way. Actually saving up little bits of money and going out and buying it for myself, this was the original widescreen release of the OT. After that it became a defining thing for my childhood. This was also true for a lot of my friends. So Star Wars, while old at the time was still defining for my childhood.
Now if I want to analyze where that put me, well it makes it a bit complicated. For one I had a strong bond with the OT and it's presentation, but I was still a child, about 13 years of age, when the Phantom Menace came out. But oh boy has it been a roller coaster ride. I can distinctly remembering watching the Phantom Menace in the cinemas. I was absolutely baffled. Because it felt all wrong. It was so far away from my expectations. The world felt so different. Everything was shiny and full of color. This was not the drab and grey run down universe that we were introduced to in the OT. It was not my Star Wars. But I still loved Star Wars, and I can distinctly remembering watching Attack of the Clones and liking it more. Having rewatched all the movies several times since then and considered my mental state at the time. I have decided this was due to my expectations having adjusted. Between the time of the release of Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith I also got a lot more invested in the expanded universe. I started reading books and comics and found a new love for the world building of the prequel trilogy. So much so, that I would argue it is the best thing we got out of the prequels. Even if my initial reaction to the world building of the prequels was one of disdain. Delving further into characters like Darth Maul, Quinlan Vos and Aura Sing, well in a way it's some of the best things Star Wars has created, in my opinion of course.
In total though I also feel like I have a very different love for the prequels than most OT fans. F. ex. I think that Revenge of the Sith is the worst movie. Yes we all loved seeing Darth Vader appear or the set up for the OT. But the worst aspects of the prequel trilogy has to be all the terrible dialogue between Padme and Anakin. And I just feel like all that dialogue was so much more integral for the story of that movie than the ones before. I really feel like it is the one that suffered the most for it. And on the flip side The Phantom Menace is my favorite. And I am constantly baffled that it still is considered the worst of the prequels by so many. I can understand that people did not like Jar Jar, but the hate for him seems out of line. But especially since this is the only movie that is centered around Qui-Con Gin and Obi-Wan. Which both did a great job. Liam Neeson is hard not to love and I think most of us agree that Ewan was great as Obi-Wan the whole way through. Something I am reminded of everytime I rewatch them. Ewan is great and I can enjoy the movies just by watching his arc. I don't need to get too invested in Anakin, because I know he gets more interesting down the line.
Well this became a wall of text and I am late to the party. So it's probably not relevant. As to the question posed. I think you are probably pretty spot on with your conclusion. I do however ponder if not more people will have a complicated relationship to these movies regardless. I did not get to be part of the poll. But I would have had a really hard time answering it, because on different levels I feel like all of the answers could apply to me in one way or another.
Like I used to hate it, then I accepted it, but I found a love for the world building early on. I love Ewan McGregors take on Obi-Wan. I like Palpatine, can't stand Hayden's Anakin most of the time, nor Padme. Mostly due to the terrible dialouge.
Honestly I feel like I can still say I hate it, I can still say I love it, I can say I like it more now and I can say I like it less now. It's a big jumbled mess. But overall I am still grateful for them. So I probably like them quite a bit more than I dislike them.
i think one of the main things that i think makes the prequels better for me was that i watched them in my native language, and german voice actors are superb and i actually think in this case they actually elevated the lines and delivered them better than the OG actors did.
Thats interesting to hear.
Memes...memes happened
Hello, there,
GENERAL KENOBI!
You are a bold one
Not yet
What about the droid attack on the Wookies?
it was replaced with the last Jedi hate.
Despite having been born in 1990, I actually grew up with the original trilogy. My father, who has always been a great fan, made his kids watch the original trilogy on VHS. By the time Episode I came out, I had already watched the originals a dozen times each. I even saw the original version before the Special Edition, which we obviously also watched multiple times after my father bought it.
And your dad will agree with Thor and myself who is older than him, just how big Star Wars was for us when it came out. I'm 43 now and am still obsessed by it and probably always will be. And yet I can still say that I detest some of the films, for which AOTC is one. And thats perfectly fine, it doesn't mean I'll stop watching them, or stop watching whatever is released next in the SW universe.
Thank you so much for such a well reasoned and fair assessment of the prequels and how “we” feel about them. It feels so complicated, but I appreciate how you were able to summarize it so well. As an old-school Star Wars fan who was disappointed by the sequels and the prequel’s, I agree with everything you said
I know I’m alone on this but, I like the prequels SLIGHTLY more than the originals, just bc of the word building and setting the stage for 4-6, but mind you I’m 23 so I grew up on the prequel trilogies and idolized Darth maul
Hell yeah!
You are far from alone
Prequel bois!
Everyone liked Darth Maul, he was a flat character but he was fun to watch.
Maul and griveous were the absokute best, and i liked dooku a lot, in his own way