Battlefield 4 2021 to Infinity Attachment Guide
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2021
- *** I keep saying 5% difference between comp stubby and stubby what I really mean is 0.5% if even that much ***
The game is not being updated so this will always be relavent.
Reeecon told me to make this so blame him. Also I keep seeing people use the wrong stuff and that is not ok.
LIST of Attachments for Guns
ARs:
Stubby+None: ACE 23, F2000, AEK, BULLDOG, SCAR-H (H-BAR+ERGO/STUBBY)
Ergo+H-Bar: M416 SAR 21, AUG A3, CZ-805, QBZ-95, AR 160
Stubby+H-Bar: L85, M16, AN--94, AK-12, Any Gun on Burst
Stubby+Comp: FAMAS
Carbines: (Kind of Garbage)
Stubby+None: ACW-R, SG553, A-91, ACE 52, ACE 21, MTAR-21
Ergo+H-Bar: AKU-12, G36C, TYPE-95B, AK 5C
Stubby+H-Bar: M4, Any Gun on Burst
LMGs: (I CHANGED MY MIND BUT VIDEO IS STILL PRETTY GOOD)
LMGs with belt fed are Stubby H-Bar : Type 88, LSAT, PKP, M240B, MG4, M60, M249
LMGs with mag fed above 770 are Stubby: AWS
LMGs with mag fed below 770 are Ergo+H-Bar: QBB-95, U-100, L86A2, RPK, RPK-12
PDWs:
Stubby + H-Bar on all when you can
DMR:
Stubby + H-Bar
Snipers:
Does not matter
Pistols:
Comp for G18
H Bar for everything else
Shotguns:
Dont use them
Accessories:
Use whatever. Laser is the only thing that does anything and it helps with hip fire. I personally dont use them bc I cant be bothered to turn them on and off all the time bc of smoke. But that doesnt mean there isnt a reason to use them. I just dont include them bc I dont think its a big deal.
LIST OF GOOD GUNS TO USE
SCAR-H, AEK, ACE 23, F2000, L85, AUG A3, M16, RPK, AS VAL, PDW-R, GROZA-4.
My Battlelog
battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4...
Just a little elaboration on what I mean by DPS differences, because this video isn’t autistic enough. If you were to take to two people and face them off in a perfectly equal fight you would have kill trades every time if they have the same gun; in BF4 you can’t really kill trade but whatever. Point is, the guns are equal. The difference between the stubby and comp stubby on aek is like 2-3 times out of a thousand the comp stubby would win and you wouldn’t have a kill trade. Obviously, this is such a low number that it isn’t even statically relevant, and BF4 is such a mess that you could easily chalk it up to DICE. Put in the fact that there are a million other variables and the guns behave the same way. Comp stubby needs to be perfectly bursted however.
Also you will see that a lot of the calculations that symthic uses actually completely negates vertical recoil. Since technically speaking, vertical recoil is the only recoil that can be reliably controlled. This obviously gives the heavy barrel a huge advantage in their number crunching since the heavy barrel would have no down sides. Of course, we at symthic tried to figure out how to numerically get around the fact that recoil isn’t perfectly controlled. It is not prefect but basically what kills you the most about the heavy barrel is the first shot recoil multiplier. You can land the first shot but then have to either decide to over compensate and hit your second shot and not the third or fourth, or under compensate and miss your second and third shot but hit your fourth. This is because humans have an extremely hard time with anything that’s not linear movement. Thus you’re losing DPS against a head glitched target. - Ігри
"Dead Video Game" 😂 That's not what I see when shit's popping off at 2am.
just as much as BF5 right now, day of BF6 trailer
Division 722 on ps4 had like 40 ppl waiting in queue it’s hilarious
Over 1000 in Australian servers now for context you were lucky the find 64 lol
Metro 24/7 woooo
@@MrBigNicholas It's just really easy to say it like that and people understand what you mean when you say it. If you just go by how numbers work there is Battlefield 2, Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4, Battlefield 1, Battlefield 5. So why couldn't this be Battlefield 6? Since it followed this pattern. Basically the same as saying "Battlefield 4 isn't battlefield 4 but its Battlefield 9"
i've heard that recently a medic ran by and revived Battlefield 4
it never died
medic supercharged the defib now servers are overloaded
It never needed to be revived real ones already owned the game
@@ezioassassain facts had the game for months
It didn’t need the chest paddles, just the medical crate. It patched itself up on its own, just in time to play the fucking objective ^_^
"Comp means compensator I know it also means Competitive, but Competitive in Battlefield is a fucking joke"
I'm dead
Bro, you have taught me more of how the attachments work in this game than other content creators such as JackFrags, Marble Duck, levelCap, and Matimi0. Hats off to you sir, this video proves there are still honest and factual content creators out there!
Marble Duck explains things way better and worked with Symthic, everyone else on your list are trash Battlefield youtuber who don't know anything about mechanics. But no Marble Duck knows what he is talking about.
@@tonybadaboni I worked with marble duck and symthic. And yes I dont script my video but that doesnt make the info wrong or bad.
@@theangrynun9298 no im not being a dickhead im just saying he goes in deep like his explaintion on how the mtar and acwr have the same kill time on 40 tickrate servers. But levelcrap and jackshits dont know battlefield theyre just promoters. Im saying this guy saying marble duck dosent teach u is bull.
@@tonybadaboni cope
@@tonybadaboni gay
"I don't expect anyone to watch this"
I watched it twice, and took notes. :thumbs up:
I love how you refer to pub sweats as “Brazils”
I never realized how accurate that is until now
No I mean actual Brazils and people who play on NA severs from out of region for no reason even tho they have their own severs.
actually no, we don't
@@kayanmatos4423 I count 7 lockers and metro severs......
@@theangrynun9298 Found this vid after getting into bf4 thanks to the prime offer, first of all ty for the great information and taking the time to put this up for a "dead game", now i've played alot of bf3 but attachements do seem quite different, i would be inclined to just follow the video's instructions to the letter but i have a single question if you dont mind , mainly whats the difference between potato and stubby grips ? they both seem really similar or am i delusional
@@ItsOrga he literally said in this video that there is NO difference. Use what you prefer more.
I randomly got recommended this when i was about to look for a video on this, very helpful :)
Straight to the point, useful, not wasting my time.
Wish there was more YT-ers like you
U are a hero i tried ace23 m4 sar21 and noticed a difference right away the weapons became laser accurate, gonna have to unlock all attachments for the rest and set them all as u advised
My personal favorite gun in the game is the ump9, something about it I just love the feel, great video
4:37 Battlefield 4 is not dead! Battlefield 4 is life!
You have taught me more than all my uni professors combined. Thank you sir.
Hello. Nice video. I spent 650 hours and didnt know everything about loadouts. Thx
I’ve been playing this game since it came out and you taught me a lot of shit that I didn’t even know. I tried your attachments vs the attachments that bigger youtubers recommended and had a better time running your setups.
Big youtubers have no idea what is going on. Remember when they said BFV was good. Sadly those with the largest voices are often people who dont know what is going on or what makes a game good. You see this on reddit all the time. People dont know what makes a game good or fun and they have some idea but ultimately the choices they think are right are hurting the game and making it worse. A lot of people just dont know and thats fine but it becomes a problem down the line. A well educated player base is incredibly important.
@@theangrynun9298
Yeah, BF5 was borderline mediocre at best. It kinda pisses me off that lots of these big youtubers are more into hyping up a shit game or spreading misinformation for clicks instead of actually giving valuable information to their viewers. Since these guys have been my primary source for years, I’m upset at myself for not seeking out more information than a simple “alright I’ll just roll with it” and leave it at that. Other than that, BF6 is getting super hyped but I’m not buying it until I get actual gameplay footage. Dice has made me a skeptic and honestly it’s not my fault lol.
This video comes in clutch now that so many people are playing BF4 again 🙏🏻
I’ve been looking for this thank you!
"Watch me rant about a dead video game" - TheAngryNun
Yeah just a few months after this video boy would he be in for one hell of a surprise!
Great video man! Appreciate the work.
This video was good and informative definitely subscribing
Also thanks for not beating around the bush and just getting straight to it
Thanks man. I literally had no idea what any of the attachments did so i usually copied other players. Now I can sorta confidently make my own setups 👍
I don't know dude, I use an angled grip on absolutely everything, and it's just what I'm used to and I laser people all day long. That being said, this is a nice concise overview of all these attachments, well done thanks
TL:DR use AEK and patato because it's cool. Any other gun is obsolete.
Nice guide tho ;D popped up in my recommended
first time youtube recommendation helped me :D
Thank god I found this Gem of a channel.
You made me realize there is still so much for me to learn in BF4. Thanks for the stellar content! Would you say Angled Grip and HBar are good attachments for the SCAR-H? It’s my main gun and I feel as if though my set up and play style cater to those attachments but I’m not sure. I love being a Defensive Combat Medic. I find myself to be very efficient at utilizing the SCAR at medium and long range like a DMR when I need to, I do this by honing my tap fire with the semi auto when I need to. (Semi auto only out of CQB tho) So is That style in mind would you recommend any variance in my set up? Thank you again!
No, if youre going to play at range with the Scar H I would recommend heavy barrel and egro grip. Those are the two attachments that do very well at range or if you are going to hold corners. Egro grip beats out all other grips at range bc of movement and heavy barrel is the best long range attachment for single shots bc smaller base spread so longer 100% chance to hit.
Angled doesn't offer any benefit realistically
@@theangrynun9298 Thanks so much boss. Is there any instance you would recommend the Angled Grip? Just curious.
@@VanLupen Yes if you want to run comp angled on low rpm guns you can. But you need to two round burst and only aim for the head. It is kind of meme but it gives you the highest chance of getting 100% head shot kills in lockers technically. not great tho
@@theangrynun9298 What if I'm on hardcore using the Scar H would it be better to use stubby because of the higher chance of hitting?
Very informative and entertaining, thank you!
quality content, keep up the good work.
Thanks dude. Really helped a lot
you know, this was PRETTY useful, i'm one of the very few people that wasnt lucky enough to get BF4 when it was at its best which means i began recently actually playing it, i've been watching vids for years but never bought it and this really helped explaining how the setups work and why you would choose something instead of another option (yeah i'm going to play this game daily, i give NO fucks)
I was looking for this exact video.
The legacy lives on
I can't believe this, I see u everywhere :)
Careless broo upload a video explaining the best movements and showing the keys that are pressed in each movement please , u are the best
I appreciate it man even thought I just now saw this these should still be solid attachments? Thanks again
ty very much for the video it was really helpfull!!!!
I usually only use Assault Class w/ Scar-H with Holo, Angled Grip, Heavy Barrel, with whatever laser usually Green cause i like green
What do you think about the bulldog? been murking with it recently
The biggest advantage of carbines is the target detector because it spots and can help the entire team.
Or press Q and use better guns and have more fun killing people
nice video, gonna try some of the suggested setups. What attachments would you recommend for the SKS? I'm thinking it would be stubby with hbar but i may be wrong. Any suggestions?
Yeah pretty much. Stubby H bar
I'm commander Shepard and this is my favourite Battlefield 4 UA-cam video
Frightening how the information in this video probably can't be found in 90% of "attachment guide" videos ever created. And the underlying ideas and mathematical analysis has probably not crossed 99% of the playerbase mind till this date.
The hb AEK is sadly still the best example of this...
The comp+stubby is probably also being used way too much, in terms of how many people actually play accordingly with the setup. People tend to just follow the meta of press mouse button 1 and shoot torsos.
MarbleDuck has similar videos, which are even more precise.
I realized how dumb some of my setups were acording to this video, but if im being honest it didnt impact my gameplay much at all, the ARs are still beasts no matter what you use and at the end of the day aim is the main factor, not the attachment, even with dumb setups i can consistently top frag, which isnt that easy in bf4
very nice dude!
ace 23 stubby hbar works really well feels like it kills faster than just stubby
Thanks for the recommendation youtube
also what's the reasoning for ergo grip on low rpm weapons? just lower spread while moving?
In short stubby is useless on low ROF. there is no point to not run a grip. Angled grip is also pointless bc no recoil. Therefore egro makes the most sense and helps in CQB
Explanation:
I never explained the attachments very well and thats something I left out in this video. The stubby grip decreases the spread increase of the gun. So you have less spread after 5 shots with a stubby rather than with out the stubby. The down side of a grip is that your spread value decreases slower with a grip. This means that you have to wait longer for your spread to reset after each burst. In reality this is so minor its trivial. The reason egro is used is simply that low rate of fire guns accumulate spread so slowly it doesn't matter and thus a stubby grip is sort of useless. Ergo is nice bc it gives you more up close potential than any other grip.
@@theangrynun9298 ty for the info
@@theangrynun9298 so ergo on l85?
@@p.7178 stubby h bar. It is the one exception to the rule bc of the first shot spread multiplier.
My favourite guns are SKS used in close/medium followed by L85A2. SKS 3 hit killing at short range is satisfying.
One thing I’ve been wondering about is how accuracy resets. Does it reset the instant you let off the trigger, does it take until the gun recenters, or does it take an even longer amount?
Yes there is a time delay between after you stop shooting and when you can be accurate again. The spread decrease is very fast and it will take you longer to adjust your aim again than for the spread to reset back to base.
thanks for explaining everything
Hay bro, love your video and I keep coming back to it as a reference. Can you please update/clear up the description? for example: what should I use on the scar? Stubby+None or H-BAR+ERGO/STUBBY?
watch the video. but stubby close range. h bar egro for long range. h bar stubby for if youre playing 8v8, which you are not.
@@theangrynun9298 I’m sorry but I’ve watched the video several times and I still don’t understand why put stubby on the SCAR when it’s ROF is really low compared to other stubby-only ARs. You also said in another reply that stubby is useless on low ROF weapons. Would you mind to clear it up for me? Other than that this video is really a good reference, thank you!
@@chonky7964 The heavy hitting guns like the scar and the ace 52 have higher spread values that put them in the same category as the high rpm 5 btk guns like the aek.
Angrynun I value your opinion a lot and was curious which weapons you'd recommend a suppressor on to smash in pubs? Obviously not looking to use val/groza, want something with a bigger mag :)
Why use one to begin with
@@theangrynun9298 cuz being off the radar is valuable in pub matches ive found and they sound/look dope.. YUP 9 months later lmao
The MTAR is such a strong carbine, more Like a pdw
yes!
What do you think about suppressors
lots of people are playing bf4 since the bf2042 reveal trailer. This video is quite relevant now :D
Hey bro nice vid. Is the muzzle break on the scar h a bad idea? Im on console and using no barrel or the h bar is quite diffucult the get kills. Could you like explain the cons of muzzle break?
Adds spread which is bad. Also vertical recoil is the only recoil which can be somewhat controlled. Meaning that you should just pull down harder. It is basically a useless attachment.
you mentioned in the description that pdws should all be run with a stubbie and heavy barrel; the ump 45 is an exception to this because of its very low rpm for its class of gun at 600, which is even slower than the scar-h. an ergo grip and hbar would be an appropriate loadout for the ump, right? you have a better grasp on the mechanics of this game than I do. Also, what's the point in running stubby on cqb maps like metro and locker? wouldn't ergo make more sense for the hip fire advantage
Egro grip is actually for long range fights. The hip fire stuff really doesnt do anything and youd be surprised just how good hip fire is in bf4. The cross hair is not representative at all. But the reason why ergo grip is good for long range is bc it allows you to move while you are at distance. Otherwise you would lose a lot of hit chance bc you are at moving spread. The reason why you want stubby is bc in CQB you end up spraying a lot more than at distance. This actually does matter especially if you want to change targets or what not. For that exact reason is why I dont recommend comp stubby. People are not machines which is almost required of a person to properly use that loadout well. Not worth the extra effort for so little benefit.
When I'm playing engineer in a more open map or aggressive recon, I prefer the m4. I know stats may say it dumb, but something about the m4 burst accuracy just feels good.
Use whatever you like to use. Im just saying that PDWs are objectively better since engagement distances are very short on all maps and PDWs are better up close. Try them out maybe youll like them better. This isnt a you should do this that and this but rather here are the attachments that will make your guns feel more consistent and enjoyable.
m4 is not dumb, if you like doing headshots, its a headshot machine, no other weapon is better for hs. the weapons he say are good for hs, it usually is not, because every low rpm weapon, may have low recoil, but has shit spread n acc. m4, m416 n l85 are great for hs, as trying to shoot anything at any distance.
i have a question, with the stubby only guns or other assault rifles, whats your reason to not use laser sight? the slot is empty and you can turn that off, im a aek player, thanks
You can use it. I just dont mention it
for new people getting into this game (havent played it since 2018) the only good grip is the egro grip, there was an update a few years back that ruined most attachments
did the game get any update after that video? These informations are still actual right? Thank you for the video btw, well explaining
Game will never be updated this will always be right
This is actually such a good video. Super clear explanations of how everything behaves.
E: I would like to know why u cant run stuff like stubby muzzle on scar.
muzzle just reduces recoil and accuracy. so if you can control recoil your gun would basically become more accurate
@@wxnted0 While I'm not a fan of muzzle/stubby myself, the combination can help the gun shoot like another gun, for ease of use. FSM is multiplied by the vert recoil, so on on a Scar-H you'd go from .875 none/stubby, to .7875. Not worth it imo, however, if someone usually plays with say, the SG553 none/stubby, then initial aim points would be virtually the same across all ranges.
@@seana1190 i get what you mean. if im being honest i started with all my guns with muzzle(i couldnt control recoil as bf4 was my first ever fps game) but i gradually started using it less until completely removing it from any of my loadouts.
came here because of the 2042 hype and i had no idea what to do lmao, thanks for giving some good info dude, LMG's are better on the Support class?
can you add like the top 3 best guns for each archetyupe maybe in a pin or something
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@@theangrynun9298 oh.. my bad man, great video ! ty
On ps4 there is a few people that play aek w angled, torch, heavy barrel and kobra XD. I main m249, acwr, as vall and the deagle I use vertical or stubby ,suppressor or heavy barrel at times mostly standard barrel. laser always and acog or coyote that depends on the map . Only TDM
Whats the opinion on aug vs sar 21 for slightly longer ranges?
I like aug. I think 700 is a good rpm. If youre good you can make it work in close.
I find I get tangeable improvement while using the comp on the aek. And whether it's by accident or not I don't know. All I know is I dont just spray, I am very particular in my bursting. Comp stubby nets better results for me.
yes there is a difference. But up close there is none. Hor-Recoil only really matters at range and thats when we see the negatives of spread. It then becomes a problem and a curve of too much recoil or too much spread. There is a balance there and you can quickly go off one end. In my opinion its not worth putting in the extra effort to net a small increase in hit rate at a distance that the aek already gets smashed at by other guns. Just press W key and move closer.
You sort of answered this in another comment but I do want clarification. No laser? I mean I guess they can give away positioning but no laser or torch (aware torch doesn’t affect the gun at all) just seems so alien to me. Is it worse or just preference?
In my experience, the laser has way more cons than pros. For one, it has given away the position of players I otherwise would not have seen if they didn't have a laser equipped, you can see them through smoke, and three, if you are in the range in which you need to hip fire, then the hipe fire bonus given by a laser is pretty irrelevant. Only scenario I can think of a laser being effective is a really aggressive smg or shotgun playstyle
Do whatever it really doesn't matter. I personally dont run it bc I cant be asked to turn it on and off again in smoke and I play a lot of metro and lockers with smoke. But it does help. Also if you want to be cancer you can bind the flashlight key to something you can easily spam and win gun fights bc the other player is having a seizure.
My gun setups would make you laugh. I used to play this game every night and I have about 1300 hrs in it. I too a bunch of UA-camr recommendations back then and never changed them. The most egregious is probably my M416 that I actually have a laser on lol. The thing is though, I have played with that M416 the most and I am almost afraid to change it at this point because I might screw with my muscle memory.
I will try some of these out though
Strange stuff, I still prefer m416 way more with HB and Stubby, it’s a laser. Though I blame my style, I play something between HeXe and Sab3lo. I mean, I have more tendencies to push as Sab3lo, but I still prefer keeping those angles and being prepared for those engagements as HeXe. So I don’t use Ergo that much at all.
HB can be used almost on all LMGs btw. Definitely should be used on RPK and RPK-12, Type 88 and L86 for sure.
Comp/Stubby is a good combination for ACE 23, when you play those conquests and ranges are not easy to be minimalized.
M16 is very, very complicated to use. Various setups can be used in various ranges.
Don’t use carabines is very bold statement. They still have better muzzle velocity than PDWs. Which matters on Conquests. Ace21, Ace52 can be used very effectively. AK5C and AKU12 are laser accurate, etc. ACWR has incredible stopping power due to rate of fire, etc. Also MTAR and SG553 are very effective.
Nothing you have said in this makes any sense and is demonstrably false.
1. Heavy barrel should not be used on LMGs bc recoil. They all have way more recoil than ARs. So no
2. Comp stubby is not a good combination period. Also ummm average range is like 15m even on vehicle maps. So no
3. M16 is very easy to use. Just click. Also any attachments can be used but some are stupid.
4. Carbines are useless. Muzzle velocity means nothing in close quarters
5. Why are you playing infantry on a vehicle map?
@@theangrynun9298 1. Type 88 has almost 0 recoil. Rpk also, rpk-12 even less, AWS also almost no recoil. If you cannot control basic recoil, then obviously you shall not use HB.
2. I never said that comp/stubby is anything miracle. I can just see purposes of it.
Well ppl who don’t farm lockers/metros only obviously need to shoot at longer ranges than 15m.
3. Easy to use, tough to master. I don’t see too many top players who would use it anyhow often.
4. Obviously, clever answer.
5. Not really sure if you play conquests, but 32 ppl cannot fit into one vehicle. Also there’s still decent bunch of ppl who enjoy destroying those vehicles.
@@founik None of this negates anything I said. LMGs have more recoil for their RPM than any other class. There is no purpose of comp stubby other than holding angles in lockers and metro. Also why are you trying to increase the range of a gun that sucks at range. Again 15m is average distance even on vehicle maps. M16 isnt tough to master. Its just annoying to use. Ease of use is important. Also if you are destroying vehicles you arent using a gun. Again 99% of all kills happen inside of 35m which is still in PDW range. Why do you keep not reading or listening to what people say.
@@theangrynun9298 why you so passive aggressive
Lol "i dont expect anyone to watch this"47k views lol 😆 gratz
Didn't hear anything about accessories. I always was under the impression the only stat changes they ever gave was a reduced hipfire spread with a lazer and everything else was just visual, i.e. lights. Is there something negative about them?
Laser makes hip fire better. Use it if you want. Nothing else does anything to the gun stats
I thought the heavy barrel helps accuracy when moving
It reduces spread in all cases
Could you pls tell me F2000 with Hbar and Stubby or only with Stubby ?
i thought it was skill issue on my part, i ran the wrong attachments and my gameplay started improving substantially
What to do on like P90 that can have Heavy Barrel but no grip?
Curious. What would you put on sidearms?
Heavy barrel on everything and comp on G18
this autistic rambling is EXACTLY the content I needed coming back to the game
Should have also told about flash hider and angled grip because they can be useful it used correctly with the weapons. I use a ar160 and angled grip with an ACOG and I destroy people at range. Same goes for M4 and I almost always use a flash hider on most guns.
Flash hider does nothing at all. It doesnt even hide the flash. It just makes youre gun worse for no benefit. Take it off. Also angled grip is just a not a worth while attachment. try out my attachments I am sure you will feel a difference and its better.
Smart point of view, i hope you stick around for 2042.
Nvm its shit.
What setup would you recommend for DMRs? And are there specific ones I should avoid?
Heavy Barrel Stubby
@@theangrynun9298 Figured, thank you!🙌🏼
Hey, a fresh RPK pleb here.
I primarily play Locker/Metro (forgive me for my sins), so wanted to hear opinions about optional RPK sets for CQC.
Is it similar to description's Ergo+H-Bar, or Stubby, or Stubby+H-Bar? How does it feel to you personally?
He suggested stubby only and it's really good 👌
coyote sight + egro grip, or just no grip at all
@@nxjyak anything besides Russian sights on an AK platform is blasphemy
@@MDzmitryak sight is arse
@@MyH3ntaiGirl I was talking about Kobra and PKA-S
What are your thoughts on running a PDW with ergo grip and laser since you're gonna be hip firing a lot?
Egro grip is really only good for long range engagements. Other than that its not worth using. There really is no benefit in close range. But a lot of the PWDs already have egro grip stats so you dont need it.
@@theangrynun9298 thanks for the quick reply! I just got a few friends to start playing for the first time and I'm gonna send them this vid so they can understand the attachments
Nice vid. Boi.
I always run a suppressor because I don’t like showing up on the map, doesn’t seem to effect my guns too much is it really worth the switch to HB?
Good players will know where you are with out a mini map and the suppressor makes a really easy to hear sound. Bad players dont look at the mini map anyway. Why lose out on the HB for what is really no benefit. Thats my reason. IF you want to run it then run it.
Hey Nun am I silly to think that Scar-H only angled grip feels pretty good on maps like Shanghai?
Yes
do you think bf6 should stay with the bf4 attachment model, or be a little more nuanced when it comes to picking attachments?
Ideally I’d like to see a variety of guns that do different things. Having attachments that affect the guns handling is kind of dumb in my opinion. Bc there will always be the best way of running a gun and that makes the rest of the attachments useless. I’d much rather see attachments as cosmetic. That way we can have a different look to the gun with out negatively affecting the gun. But if we have to do the whole attachment thing I’d like to see a MW 2019 approach.
I don’t understand the stubby + none with the ace23/other ars cuz the angled grip with the muzzle brake make it shoot nice and smoothly tbh 👌
Bc it shoots nice with out the muzzle brake and angled. Which just make the gun unusable bc spread
i know this is really specific, but doesnt the heavy barrel make the 44. magnum perform worse? it just inscreases recoil for nothing i feel like
It reduces spread in all cases. Which is good on semi auto since recoil doesnt mean anything
i dont see the silencer mentioned in this video. what are the upsides and down sides on an AR?
you lose bullet velo. for basically no gain. bad players dont look at the mini map and good players dont need one to know where you are.
Only learning any of this now. Literally always used Carbines, im sad that I was lead so astray for so long
Most people dont know. Try a PDW and you might like it
@@theangrynun9298 always picked them since I like the G36 and I couldn't get it anywhere else. I remember it always being pretty good but I played on ps3\4 then now I'm on PC. Will try pdw for sure
The acwr slaps
Does server tickrate has any effect on this? If i were to play on lets say 60hz or lower would there be any change to this setup? Good video btw
No. Sever tick rate isn’t low enough for it to have any affect on attachments. 30 hz is the lowest it will go and that only affects the 1000 rpm guns I think it’s every 4th bullet or so. That why you don’t get recoil on the famas on the 2ed shot.
That being said any gun under 700 rpm does not receive the extra benefits of low rpm Bc the logic loop isn’t fast enough to reset spread properly. This only applies at 30 hz and not for the scar h.
Hence why in bf3 with a 10 hz loop guns have perfect reset and there is only one set of attachments Bc the logic loop is so slow. Also why anything under 800 rpm is completely useless.
It’s hard to find a 30 hz sever anyway.
That’s not that much truth. If you will play HB setups with guns that even w/o HB kick a lot, you will notice a difference for sure. For example, m16 kicks a lot more on 60hz server than 30hz test range. Same goes for Ace 23 with hb and basically everything that kicks a lot.
@@founik No. For the reason I just said why attachments have no difference with tick rate. Only guns in BF4 that are affected by tickrate are 1000 rpm guns. And that is only at less than 45 hz. So no
@@theangrynun9298 trust me, it is. Because also related to the tick rate of server is frame time of fired bullets. On 30Hz server 800rpm and 900rpm guns fire first 5 bullets in a same frame. On 60hz it’s no longer the same. If I should consider m16 especially, even timings of bursts will change. MarbleDuck has a video about the same. That’s why m16 was that popular when bf4 started. If you fire 5 first shots with 800rpm gun as fast as with 900rpm gun, obviously you are going to pick the more accurate one.
I mean, attachments are still the same, but recoil will be more feel-able on servers with higher tick rate, because 30hz servers are unable to update fast enough the picture/the process of whole recoil animation.
@@theangrynun9298 i didn’t do a math. I didn’t have to. Ok, I’m sorry. I’m not sure whether I phrased my expressions correctly. But everything you are saying was said by MarbleDuck 6 years ago with example and better precision instead of wasting 20minutes in a load out screen. With partially incorrect statements.
If I'm reliably hitting headshots are we 100% sure ACW isn't worth using even for a carbine?
Then you can do that with other guns too. Why is this only exclusive to carbines. Not to mention PDW have a longer range for two shot head shot kills over carbines. Which means you win even more fights. Try a PDW they are good.
I have always found the MTAR fun to use. It’s no rifle though, I play it like a PDW
Scar h , underrated kekw
My main gun
nigga the fuck you mean it's underrated. It was literally banned from pro matches because of how op it is.
@@Leroy1 xd
nice
Are we ignoring accessories? i get that they can give away position. I usually just run target detector cuz I don't wanna press q, is there a downside to this attachment?
They don’t affect the gun in any way. That’s why I don’t mention them.
I just run the AEK with a vert grip and play super aggressive. But the stub is where it's at when you want to preserve more ammo, sanity, and friendly defibs.
Is the angled grip always a net negative, or would you recommend it if desired?
Pretty much always a net negative. Only time you would use it if is you wanted to two round burst a low rof gun and only hit head shots. In general the attachment is not worth the cons since on low ROF guns there is no recoil so no point, and on high ROF guns the stubby is just better.
@@theangrynun9298 thanks!
@@theangrynun9298 i love the an-94 and since it has a very high rof 2 round burst i always thought the angled grip is the way to go. I like burst weapons in general like m16 and m4. You aleady said to use stubby on them but the angled just looks like its made for burst weapons. I now know that im wrong but why exactly do you recommend stubby on burst weapons again?
Bonus question: if you tell me that the angled grip is also bad on dmrs like mk11 or sks im gonna loose my mind. Pls explain.
@@thomax2558 Burst guns do not have extra recoil after the first shot like auto guns do. They have the extra recoil modifier (FSM) at the end of the burst. Therefore you are getting those two or three bullets out very constantly and dont need angled. This is also why h bar is good on burst guns and not auto guns. You are always reliant on your first two or three bullets to land in order to have good time to kill. The key to attachments is consistency. What gives you the most repeatable results over and over again. The other thing is that you are bursting and the gun resets faster bc you are not shooting technically in between those bursts. Angled grip seems like a good idea but there is no practical use for it. It hurts more than it helps and there are other attachments that are far better like stubby or egro. Stubby is better on burst.
On to the DMRs. Angle is even more useless bc at least with ARs you can spam micro fire a lot and maybe have a case if you can click at 900 rpm with an aek. But with a DMR you are capped at a low rate of fire so you have time to recenter your cross hair. Not to mention you can no longer spam fire a DMR with out stubby anyway. Your spread will be too high and you will miss shots. AKA you cant even max out the rpm of a DMR with out stubby so why use an attachment you wont need at low rof anyway.
TLDR: Angled doesn't give you any usable advantage over the other grips which have much better benefits.
@@theangrynun9298 thank you very much for this detailed explanation. Keep it up :^)
Does the flash hider actually reduce recoil or spread or is it a lie? Everywhere i look it says it reduces by 17% but i dont see anyone using it
All flash hider does is INCREASE your spread. It's SUPPOSED to at least eliminate the muzzle flash, but due to DICE's braindead developers, it doesn't do what it's supposed to. So we ended up with an attachment that exists only to make your weapon worse.
Unless I missed it, suppressors aren’t mentioned at all?
Good players dont need a mini map to know where you are. easiest thing in the game to hear is the suppressor. Also bad players don't use their mini map. So why run them?
because they're pretty shit tbh, unless you're going for a "oo look at me sneaky 007 man" setup, it's kinda pointless
what about muzzle brake with burst fire? ive been doing that with the AN 94. or is HB better?
Muzzle brake is bad. Use HB. Just pull down more. The recoil in this game really is not enough to warrant the use
will do, thanks
I like the independent game play, so I have to be support to get a constant flow of ammo. I don't like switching kits. So I have to play with carbines, and yes they are the weakest, but go with the MTAR and you still win a lot of battles. Just run with the Magnum for long range. Some will see this as a reverse playing style, but it works for me :-D
Just use the RPK
@@theangrynun9298 I also need the Target Detector and that only goes with Carbines :-)
@@RonaldMoD press q
@@theangrynun9298 Let's not fight, ok :-)
I disagree with the carbine one
Unless you are playing locker or metro you can attach a target finder on a carbine whilst you can't do this on an assault rifle.
Target Finder can be incredibly op
Or press Q
@@theangrynun9298 People like simplicity don't they
Still play this game heavy, PP2000 is most accurate gun just has a slow ttk . PP2000 and Uk100.
Best guns imo
pp2000 w heavy barrel
ump 9 w heavy barrel
ump 45 w heavy barrel
Is the heavy barrel for pdws to improve their hipfire accuracy?
Ranged accuracy