Jon, I must say that you are the single reason I own the Victorinox Compact and am now interested in the Victorinox Spirit. I absolutely love my Compact and never go anywhere without it. You were spot on about it. I never gave Victorinox a thought for years. Just wasn’t interested until seeing your videos. I have always been a huge fan of Leatherman and will always own them, but man oh man, I find your persuasion for the Spirit highly irresistible.
It has been said the best knife in a disaster situation is the one in your pocket. Let's be honest whether a Victor Knox or Leatherman these knives are great. Please carry at least one. And for 80 to 90% of all your situations it won't matter which one you carry you will just be glad you have it.
@@captainkidney8577 I don’t need to go there to understand Germany placing restrictions on OHO knives or locking knives makes little sense. Or the UK not allowing locking knives for some reason… I guess that’s why we fought a war to be rid of such restrictions. Another reason for LM being superior in the states is the cost associated with customs and shipping. You pay a premium in Europe while the states are free trade.
One minor correction on the saw measurement for the Wave. You measured the back side of the saw (1mm), the cutting side is 1.35mm. It is tapered so the saw doesn't bind during the cut. It's still thinner than the Vic, but only by 0.15mm.
Something I'd like to add about the Leatherman wave, DO NOT pry with it at all. The metal is far too brittle. I currently have 5 Leatherman waves all with busted bits. Do keep in mind that I use it everyday at work. I've owned many Victorinox pocket knives and they have always held up well. I will be purchasing a Spirt X after watching this video. Thanks for the review
I have a 3 inch pry tool I paid $5 for on my keys. I use it often, it’s amazing what it can do. I would not ever want to pry with a multitool or sak. It’s not worth the abusive to a treasured multi or sak.
I have had a Wave for quite a few years and have been somewhat interested in the Victorinox multi tools, but have yet to handle one myself. Excellent video.
They are great, they really are. The build quality is excellent. I think of the Leathermans as tools for the average Joe while the Victorinox Spirit Series is more like a Rolls Royce, a gentleman’s tool but that doesn’t mean it’s flimsy or breaks easily, quite the opposite. It’s a premium product in every sense of the word. Not just in price and looks but also in toughness and reliability. I highly recommend you trying one out for yourself. I love both the leatherman and Victorinox.
Hello, John. I have all 4 of them: The Surge, the Swisstool X, the Victorinox Spirit, and the Leatherman Wave...My personal opinión is that the Leatherman wave & Surge are exceptionally capable and very durable. I am in industrial wleder, and have been for 20+ years. In that type of environment, Leatherman is quite exeptional... The 2 Victorinox multitools i have are absolutely excellent and superb...I really enjoy them for around the house and outside projects, both are exceptionally amazing.😇👍
Yeah, I am an industrial pipe fitter, have a stack of multi tools and find that there are horses for courses. I carry the Leatherman Crunch at work because of the versatility of the vice grips. In my car, I have the bestial Surge along with ratchet driver and bit kit. If I'm going about my day to day, I have Sog Powerpint in my pocket - very useful and you wouldn’t know it was there.
@@Maixo I mostly carry the PowerPint. I wish the step up, PowerAccess, had a saw blade one it instead of the serrated blade. I'd carry that 6 oz in a heartbeat.
You make some of the best reviews and comparisons on UA-cam, a pleasure to listen to you, you've such a chilling voice 🙂 thanks for that. Greetings from Germany 😊
Subscribed. Always love your detailed reviews, straight-forward and eloquently stated. In terms of the LM vs. VIC discussion, I'm a house divided. I have several LMs - Wave +, MUT EOD, Surge, ST 300, Rebar, Signal. I only have one VIC - the Swiss Tool X. I love them all. I particularly love the design/form/engineering of the VIC. But when it comes time to really use/abuse my tools, I reach for my LMs every single time. I can't quite put my finger on it (I do find the VIC capable), but it might lean towards the point that I just find the VIC too pretty. If that makes sense. Anyway, that's my experience to add to the conversation here. Thank you again for these great reviews.
I had a Rebar and later picked a SwissTool X, the Spirit' big brother; i don't care about Leatherman anymore, except for collection only. Victorinox has far superior quality, finishing and aesthetics. Some features of Leatherman models are interesting but not crucial, plus, there were the usual complains with broken pliers and parts.
As someone who is only just getting into multi tools, this is interesting to know. As an owner of many Victorinox knives, I just never associated multi tools with the brand. But I’ll be looking now.
Yeah the only tools I've had failed is Leatherman. Cheaper metal? I've had them just snap. No failure with Victorinox. I also have a SOG seems well made but it's only flaw is the self service nuts can unwanted unscrew so have to tighten or check periodically.
@@michaelcosta7235 I know! A very rarely ever see a negative comment about Leatherman! No matter what tool you put against it the Leatherman always is the winner and anything I've ever had Leatherman has just been top of the line
👍 Good comparison of these 2 excellent tools. I was (still am) a big fan of the original Leatherman Wave. But then I discovered the Victorinox Spirit X and have never looked back. The Victorinox has every tool I need, they are all accessible with the tool closed, they all lock, and the ergonomics of this tool are perfect for me. Plus, the Spirit X is built like a tank.
Thanks Jon as always. Really appreciate your detailed balanced reviews. Totally agree, both are excellent tools but the quality of Victorinox is hard to match .
Thanks for another great comparison review. I have the Wave + but am impressed with the Spirit X. I went over to the Victorinox Swiss Army store and they want $129 for the plain Spirit X with sheath, $159 for the Spirit X plus with bits, and $179! for the Spirit X plus with ratcheting driver. I have all the extra flat bits with the Wave + (I opted for a slightly larger case), so think I’ll just get the standard Spirit X. Thanks again! P.S. just found a couple of other knife sites with it at $104! There you go. Looking forward to trying it out. 👍
Personally I find the victorinox looks almost too nice and fancy to beat down on. Maybe if I was inside more or did cleaner work. The replaceable wire cutters are also very useful and the replaceable bits with the driver already in just makes more sense to me. Thank you for the breakdown!
I know what u mean. I am a robotics mentor. The fit and finish for a Victorinox is a fine fit for a technician 👨🔧 in a clean environment. Everything Vic does it does with style. But if I was a maintenance worker I would be guarded about how I abused the wire cutters and pliers and such.
Sir Jonathan's analysis mirrors my own, revealing his refined intellect and perspicacity. And like me, I suspect he is also a thorough and generous lover.
Thanks for this video Jon! You are my go to if I want to look for an edc review. Very good audio, grreat presentation and the way you speak is not too fast, easy to understand for a non english as first language. Keep it up! Cheers!
I've only ever owned one leatherman in my life handed down to me by dad, apart from the knife, no tool in leathermans in my opinion compares to that of the swisstool spirit X. I think the spirit X is the best multitool ever designed by victorinox. I've owned mine for about 16 years now, use it every single day and it still appears as though I just took it out the box. The pry tool is like a crowbar and the wood saw goes through wood and thick plastic like wolverine's adamantium claws. I've done some research to try to find out what kind of steel the Vic swisstool spirit X uses, I only come up with 440C but that thing must be made out of Vibranium or something. (lol) Don't know about other Vics except for the huntsman 2 and the Swisstool X but the spirit X is like on another level of multitool. This is my confession.
Thanks again for taking time to make this great comparison. I really enjoy your combination of objective, detailed descriptions and personal opinions. The review is really a piece of beautifully composed video prose.
Might be my favorite video so far! I have a Spirit X and always wondered how it compares to the Wave. This video made me like the Spirit even more 😁 Leatherman is so dominant in Israel, that in Hebrew with don't have a word for multi-tool, we call them "Leatherman" lol. The Victorinox Israeli site calls multi-tools in English because of that! And I have a Spirit X that my father bought me when I joined the army, and this is my favorite EDC tool I own. About a month ago I assembled a closet only with it, drilling with the awl, screwing, hammering, filing, cutting - it was such a pleasure. Have a great week Sir, thanks for the video 🤓
@@pjgppjgp Well I cheated. Didn't want to damage the actual tool. I'm not sure how to describe it in English, but a friend made me like a "metal sheath" so it would take the bumps. Then it's like hitting with a chunk of metal 🤓
@@ELaster1 איך הפכת באמת את הכלי לפטיש? אגב, ממליץ על הכלי לצבא? אני כרגע בשירות קרבי ויש לי וויב+, והוא מעולה אבל לא גורם לי לרצות להשתמש בו, קשה להסביר. משהו בספיריט גורם לי לרצות להחליף איתו את הלדרמן שלי
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Really nice review! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the 2 tools. I have a Vic Spirit XBS and a LM Surge. Those are different, but for heavier or creative work I always choose the Surge. For light EDC everyday tasks the XBS is perfect. I’m looking forward to seeing you Surge comparison video.
I'm a Surge man myself! After my shower and on weekends I switch to the SwissChamp. I really want a Spirit, but it really has no place in my rotation. I really did my homework years ago and the Surge was my first multi tool as an adult, then the Minichamp for my keys and then I added the SwissChamp. Sooner or later I'll add some variation of the Spirit.
I only own Leatherman multitools but this video made me want a vic, they seem very solid! Something I would add is that the Leatherman can easily integrate a pocket clip for carrying it, whereas Victorinox doesn’t make one for their tools, forcing you to look for third party solutions. That’s big for me because I don’t like carrying my multitools in a sheath and I don’t like them loose in my pocket either, pocket clips help a lot. The other huge point is that Leatherman will go above and beyond in terms of warranty, even if the tool is broken due to abuse, they’ll happily fix it or replace it, I know from experience: I broke a flat screwdriver using it to pry and they replaced the whole tool (which had seen a lot use and it was evident) for a new one, and that to me makes it far more worth the price than most of the competition. I have no experience with how Victorinox handles warranty claims so I can’t really say Leatherman wins but Leatherman would be very hard to beat in that regard. Great video and great comparison, looking forward to the Surge vs Swisstool showdown!
thK U for this Video . 👍 I have just acquired the Wave . with your instruction I began to open all tools safely . these CO. s are both the Best tool and knife makers . 🔧..
I think the point is that these tools are for emergencies really. It is always best to use a proper screwdriver of the correct size if possible. I have the Wave without the replaceable plier blades but I'll never wear them out and I'd always use pliers or side cutters if I can. I also have the Skeletool with the plain 154CM blade and I never never use the knife blade, as I want to keep it razor sharp for when I really need it.
To each his own, but my philosophy is the exact opposite. I keep a multi tool as first line. If it can save me a trip to the truck or garage it's a win for me. For instance, I was a commercial mower for years. I maintained mostly medium sized complexes and city lots and one very large apartment complex. People called me nuts because I carried my Surge and both bit kits everywhere even while weedeating for hours at a time. If an unruly branch less than 3 inches needed cutting, I'd hop off the z turn and have it done in less time than going to the trailer. If my weedeater needed adjusting, I'd handle it on the spot. If my enclosed trailer panels had a loose screw it was handled in seconds. Cutting weedeater string, pulling a belt that popped off, back on, reajusting an arm on the zero turn when they are not syncing up...the list really goes on and on. For me a multi tool is about having a good enough tool on you. On those hot summer days my Surge saved me at least an hour a day. At least. Even at home I have my SwissChamp on me almost all the time. Multi tools are time savers for me. I don't understand people who have them in a drawer at home. You can buy a proper set of tools for cheaper. But again to each his own.
@@davidfontenot5223 we like how they look, we like to touch them, feel them, play with them,enjoy their craftsmanship and use them from time to time. We use them certainly not as much as you do but if everyone was like you there probably wouldn't be a huge multitool market, but i could be wrong. We keep them in a drawer because we work in an office/at home on a computer. We don't need to tie the multitool to our underwater while we sip our coffee. Our lives don't revolve around a multitool, but i guess it isn't a crime that a multitool revolves around our life, even if it's in a drawer.
@Dariusus I literally started AND ended my comment with "To each his own." How you feel my comment implied my life revolves around my multitool because I explained how it saved me an hour a day is baffling to me. Everyone has different needs and we fill them the way we see fit. I hope you don't feel I was attacking or belittling anyone like yourself. But it was not my intention. All I was saying is that if you have it in a drawer at home you could have a proper set of tools at your disposal for less money. I think that's helpful advice to someone who just needs a simple set of tools. If you simply like the way they look and feel that's awesome too. I collect things I don't necessarily need and don't care if others don't understand why. This conversation is about different people's uses for multi tools. I stated mine. That said I totally understand an office worker not wanting a multi tool on them during their 9 to 5. We have different needs and wants, nothing wrong with that. If you can understand why you have a multi tool to mostly admire it, why can't you understand I keep my SwissChamp on me when I'm off the clock? I like admiring fine craftsmanship and simply fidgeting with one too! 😃 A Surge on my hip makes me more efficient on my job and a SwissChamp on my hip elswhere is cool to admire and use when needed. If it's a nuisance on yours and you put it in a drawer we are both getting what we want for our money. Cheers.
Great review.... im done with Leatherman John... just ordered my SPIRIT X ... today... thank you .. And also a Panama notebook...lol all down to you..Please do you know where I could buy the ratchet bit set etc from please ... I live in the UK 🇬🇧 AWESOME REVIEWS... KEEP IT UP
Dear Jon, excellent video, as you are used to us by now. I am lucky to have both tools (I also have the SwissTool), and I agree with you. The quality of Victorinox, the choice of tools and the ease of access to them make it almost impossible to beat. Sometimes they seem to have very different approaches, one (Leatherman) prioritizes one-handed opening over the other tools, while the other (Victorinox) is more balanced. For the use that I give it, I undoubtedly prefer the Victorinox, to that I would add that I do not know people who publish in the forums, cases in which the tool has broken. Greetings.
Victorinox Spirit X is far superior to the Wave plus for many more reasons.The main ones,that are enough to choose the Spirit ,is the huge difference in quality,toughness and longevity but also the amount of tools/uses,which are more on the Spirit X. It just checks more ticks and the most important parts in comparison.
They are both nice, but I prefer the Wave+ as a "package tool" when you compare the 2 with their add-on components. The Wave+ with 40 bits and an extender all fitting an a small nylon pouch is unbeatable for me in my bag. As a standalone tool, I would probably go for the new Spirit MX (with pocket clip and one handed blade). p.s. Stiff leathermand pliers have been a problem lately. But I easily fixed mine with some fine diamond grinding paste and WD-40. Very smooth action now with no plier play.
Add-on components have no place in multitools. They're normal in bigger, dedicated tool sets, but unacceptable in multitools. If I carry a multitool, I do so because I want to have all tools permanently integrated within, with no need to carry any external junk.
The answer is Leatherman Surge. The T shank blade exchanger and larger scissors will change your life at a minor weight penalty. At least in the USA where t-shank is standard for many tool types so you can get all kinds of blades, file profiles, including oversized ones etc.
Thanks for the review . And making up for the request. Well had purchased victorinox spirit over leather man.. was inclined as I was used to victorinox camping knife.much appreciated
Nicely presented, pleasing lack of hype and dramatics! Which is the winner, does that really matter, both are good reliable products so either would do a good job.
I have both and the Victorinox is by far the most comfortable in hand. Each has its’ place but the Leatherman is the one I would ditch if I could only keep one.
Interesting. I also own both and use both. But I think the Leatherman has a lot better wire cutters. The vic doesn't cut to great but they do definitely work.
Good review. Now I've watched I'm glad I went with the Leatherman Surge, LOL. With regards accessories the 2D bits that Leatherman do, while not as nice as full size hex bits, make a huge difference to the bulk of carrying around extra bits and the new ratcheting bit driver extender is amazing. I know accessories are an extra but they are an option I always consider when making a purchase.
You just can't help but be happy every time you have the Spirit in your hand, move parts or even just look at it. It helps that it also has an almost perfect toolset. Every time I hold or use my mates Leatherman's I am quickly reminded why the Spirit is in my pocket.
I love Leatherman's design (especialy one handed knife) more than Victorinox's but definetely Victorinox looks more elegant. As tools -except knife- Victorinox looks far better I think. It may because of I'm an everyday Victorinox user since 2007 but I realy never have struggle about tools on my Victorinox.
Ive several LM multitools, and to-date ZERO Vic MT (although a little bird tells me there will be a Swisstool Spirit X under the tree for me this year) and I’ll prob use the Vic as an “urban” carry MT and rely on my Rebar, ST300, and Wingman for my forays into the wild by foot or by Jeep. Your detailed and thorough synopsis of these really makes me antsy to get my ‘hooks on my holiday gift and as always it’s among the best reviewdios on the internet.
I've had my Leatherman wave & Leatherman Surge since 2005. Worked 13 years as a structural welder for the iron workers, and 20 years in welding. I am a 100% believer in Leatherman, however the process at which you went about explaining the two victorinox Multi tools (the Spirit x & the Swiss tool) I felt like I needed to check them out...I ended up getting both of them, i use them for my camping excursions and they perform exquisitely...Long live Victorinox😎👍
I have the skeletol and the super tool, i find the skeletool does not have enough tolls, and the super tool is too large, so i may do the wave, from your review, do you think the spirit x is a better buy?
Thanks for the widespread and detailed comprehension! If I'm looking for a multitool, I'm looking for tools, for good, substantial and versatile tools in the first place, because I always carry a knife, pocket or small fixed. So blades on a multitool are not #1 significance for me. That led me to the Swiss Tool Spirit X Plus with the additional ratchet-/bit kit including a mini screwdriver and even a corkscrew15 years ago. For it is an early edition, it has the serrated blade (for me a plus as i carry an edc knife in any case. This tool never ever disappointed me over the years. But as you mentioned: Everyone should choose a tool to his own preferences and field of application.
I prefer the rolled edges on the Wave Plus handles. Makes using the pliers much more comfortable. It is my favorite tool and works great for me. Thanks for the detailed comparison.
My dad bought me a wave for Christmas a few years ago and it's seen use everyday. The Victorinox looks great, but I'll stick to Leatherman if only for sentimental reasons.
I use collect and use BOTH Victorinox and Leatherman. I bought my first Swiss Champ knife (best "bang for the buck" of their line at the time for features and price) some 30 years ago and had it refurbished as good as new by Victorinox recently. My first multitool was the Leatherman Wave (which I stupidly lost and had to replace with another) and now use the Charge (with the ratchet attachment). I have since bought the Spirit multitool and, lo and behold, it can be fitted with a neat little ratchet driver as well. Honestly, I cannot rate one make "better" than the other as I own and use both. Neither has proven a disappointment. Around the house, I tend to use the Leatherman tools. Away from home (camping, picnics etc.) my go-to is Victorinox.
Hallo Jon, thanks for the great review. Awesome job. 😀 One thing I'd like to add regarding the plier heads: The Vic pliers are overlapping the other way, compared to the Leatherman ones. Vic changed that some years ago. The reason is, that they found out, that you put the most stress on the plier joint, when gripping a screw axially and trying to unscrew it. The Vic joint is made to better withstand this stress and last longer without getting loose.
@@JonGadget I once stumbled over a video of one Vic employee explaining the chronology of the plier heads. In my memory it was Karl Elsener, but that might be retrospective wishful thinking. :-) Regarding the legality of multitools (and knives) in Germany, we try to make the regulations as complicated as we can, of course. Illegal to carry (w/o specific reasons) is the combination of one hand opening and locking. Either one is ok - just the combination is forbidden. Oh, and fixed blades with a blade length of more than 12 cm are illegal to carry. I guess a giant folder like the biggest Opinel is ok, as it is not one hand opening. :-D
Hello, Jon - excellent overview of these two fine multitools...I have the "New" Wave (2nd Gen.), which is really an excellent multitool. I could not see myself updating to the Wave +, as the only two changes made were the cutters and the electrical crimpers; a further "win" for the plier head...that is why I upgraded to the Surge which includes among other things, an awl...the crimpers in the Wave+ are not as good as dedicated electrical wire crimpers are, but in a pinch they will work just fine...I wish Leatherman had upgraded the edge file on the wood/metal/diamond file to a saw instead...it is very sad not to see the XC being offered by Victorinox, folks who buy it usually have a dedicated folder they use as their primary...I researched both the Spirit and the Swisstool and I found I preferred the Swisstool X because of its size, the rule and the nice scissors...looking forward to your review of the " big boys"...thanks for this interesting video...
@@BOOSTEDLASER I'm don't know is the short answer! They keep their metals chemistry a secret but I believe it is close to 420HC with a bit more chromium.
I tend to prefer Victorinox products but the diamond file and bit driver put Leatherman on an advantage for me. As you are, I'm a fan of nice scissors so I went with the Surge which I believe has scissors which can compete closer to Victorinox then other Leatherman tools. Leatherman bit driver with the bit kit is a more elegant solution than Victorinox's bit kit in my opinion.
@@B_L_Smith It is still very compact and fits the sheath. Plus pliers wrench are very capable in my option and do some tasks better than both leatherman and victorinox. I don't think is the best solution and other sets of tools are capable, but for my usage I don't see a way to pack more stuff more compactly.
@@B_L_Smith knipex cobra pliers are 5 inches long super light. I EDC them. I wouldn’t recommend the xscobra as they are too small but it is personal preference
Had Leatherman for years, but unable to take out of home due to laws in Australia. Just picked up the Spirit X and it is amazing. The quality of this tool is amazing. It is also legal for me to carry in public so this is my new favourite multi-tool. Your video helped me to decide on this tool.
I have the same problem, here in the state I live in American I can not carry a switch blade or auto. So I carry a cold steel triad lock next best thing
I owned the charge tti first. The medium flathead snapped off on first use on a plastic screw on a printer. I'm sure it was a defect but I was living in Japan and the warranty process was a lot of trouble. I replaced it with the swiss tool that came with the ratchet kit and the corkscrew with the micro screwdriver that goes with it. I served in the army and knew lots of guys that loved their leathermans and also gerbers. I'm happy with my swiss spirit x, peanut butter blade and all. Japan has crazy knife laws btw. about 3 inches is what you're legally allowed to carry.
⚠️ please don't use a random knife to get yourself or someone else out of a wrecked car, there are some really good little tools that cost around 5 CHF/€/£/$ and have a secure seat belt cutter and a spring-loaded window breaker, it will save your and other's life while keeping you safe.
I've never found myself needing an awl, hook, nor chisel. But eyeglass/electronics screwdrivers have come in handy. And maybe it's just a Canadian thing, but my Wave+ came with an extra bit with red+green Robertson ends in addition to the Phillips+flat bit. And the nylon case includes a pocket to store an extra but or two. The scissors on the original Wave, before adding the double-ended bit drivers, were larger and better IMO. But they really improved the straight knife blade with the Wave+.
I really enjoyed watching your review and your attention to detail. Now that I am about to join the armed forces, my first choice was the Gerber MP600, but I quickly discovered that the sliding plier head was too much for me. Then I went into a store and tried the Wave+ and the Surge: both were exceptionally well-built, but the externally accessible tools did not appear to be a smart choice for a harsh environment. After watching endless comparison videos, I realized that I needed more than one multitool so I bought two Leatherman multitools in black oxide finish: a Rebar as my go-to primary tool and a Leatherman Supertool 300 as my backup/barracks tool. I also got an extender adapter for the Philips driver allowing me to use Leatherman bits with both multitools. The main reasons for choosing Leatherman over Gerber, SOG and even Victorinox were the replaceable wire cutters, the ability to dismantle and replace individual tools as necessary - even the plier head, the availability of bits and extenders and the overall feel. That being said, Victorinox Swisstool blows the competition out of the water in terms of quality and precision: it looks and feels like a work of art, and it is for that reason exactly I would feel guilty beating the crap out of it. I also have a Victorinox Super Tinker for its excellent scissors and the dedicated tin opener, and a small heavy-duty prybar to open ammo boxes, crates and the like. Lastly, since I expect to carry a combat knife strapped onto my vest, the absence of a substantial blade which opens from the outside was not a dealbreaker.
So here are my points for the Leatherman Wave+ and the Swiss Tool Spirit X. I have not handled the Spirit X, but I have heard a lot about it and watched a fair amount of reviews on it. If the quality of it is consistent with their Swiss Army Knives, I can safely say that the fit and finish is better on the Spirit X. I own a 2nd gen Wave and a Wave+. I have also handled a 1st gen Wave which I warrantied. To start with, both tools are now available in two handed and one handed versions (Wave 2H, Spirit MX), to my knowledge. There are also black coated versions of both tools (Wave+ even comes in a black and silver version). I think the Wave+ is a more innovative tool with an industrial feel to it while the Spirit X is a more traditional tool made to be elegant yet functional. Although the stock Spirit X probably beats a stock Wave+ in many ways, I think the Wave+ being thought of more as a platform gives it a very important competitive edge. One advantage the Wave+ has is that it is relatively easy to disassemble, mod, fix, and maintenance due to the use of security torx screws securing the tool together (Wave+ simply requires you to have two security torx drivers although I wish they'd switch to regular torx) as opposed to the rivets of the Spirit X (Spirit would need to have its rivets drilled out and be re-riveted). Since spare pieces of Leatherman tools can often be found on Ebay, the Wave+ has a decent aftermarket to mod and/or fix the tool yourself. Additionally, there are a lot of aftermarket custom parts (scalpel holders, titanium pocket clips, Charge blades, hammer attachment, custom tools that fit within the bit exchanger, etc.) one can get for the Wave+ to really heighten the usefulness of the tool. Even outside of the DIY stuff, the Wave+ has a huge advantage acting as a platform since you can get Leatherman bit kit compatible accessories to go with it (full bit set, extender, ratchet driver, carbide glass breaker, sight adjuster, MUT long bits). These accessories also have an advantage in that many of them can be carried along with the Wave+ in the same sheath without taking up much more space (as opposed to the Spirit X requiring an entirely separate tool to utilized a bit set). Lastly, although the Wave+ is more complex due to the two bit exchangers, the removable parts are also sold as accessories meaning that the mulitool itself doesn't have to go through warranty if the only damage to the tool is either the bits or cutters. In conclusion, I think that the Spirit X is a better buy if they are at a relatively similar price if you intend to use the tool as stock without any changes or use of accessories. If you don't plan on using the tool just as stock, I think the Wave+ is the better buy as it has features and accessories that allow users to really push the performance of the tool. There is also the Charge to consider which is essentially the Wave with more premium materials and build quality. I think the Charge can be a more favorable Leatherman comparison as there are more variations of it that can better suit the buyer's taste as opposed to the more limited options of Victorinox multitools. PS: A Swisstool Spirit X is definitely a purchase for consideration despite me already having two Waves and a Supertool 300 for pliers-based multitools.
How do you compare the Supertool 300 to these two? What space does the Supertool occupy? Why would one choose to go with that one over the two in this video? I just ordered a Supertool but I’m looking at these two now as well
@@roaring_angels If you like the Leatherman Rebar, then you'll probably like the Supertool 300 as a bigger version of it. Leatherman tools are more industrial aesthetically and in feel. They are also possible to disassemble making them easier for mods or that.
I would mention that the Leatherman replaceable cutters are not only replaceable but a harder steel. I like being able to cut harder and thicker materials than the plier head steel could handle.
I've carried an original Spirit every day on by belt for many years and it has seen a lot of hard use around the farm and shop. (The original has a serrated sheepsfoot blade instead of the smooth drop point on the X.) In spite of its rough life it is still in perfect condition and still has a precision feel. The build quality and fit-and-finish is just vastly superior to any other multitool I've ever handled. Literally my only complaint with it is that I wish the scissors were a bit longer, especially since there is wasted space in the tool that would allow for another quarter inch of blade length. But, other than that I believe it is the perfect EDC multitool.
5:44 "I wouldn't be knocking on the door" - I totally agree - it doesn't make one cool to egregiously abuse a warranty, it just makes one a liar - if you used the sh-t out of a tool for 25 years, you simply exhausted the value. Buy another one, and support companies that make good quality, instead of harming them or stealing value from them.
I agree. But I will say, in my experience I have my dads old Vic knife and one day after cutting up some boxes the main blade did not return back fully into the handle. Vic repaired the knife, and they even ask if it has sentimental value, which it does. I got the knife back with the blade working properly in addition to a clean, oil and sharpen. It was nearly a new knife again. It’s nice to have them support a product that’s been around for over 30 years, which failed not through abuse but just wear and a small but niggling malfunction was easily fixed by them.
I have both and while they are both great tools, the Wave is insanely more useful. Here's why: Spirit X + More comfortable to hold when closed + Satisfying clicks when opened and closed + Awl and chisel. Though I never used them, I can understand why they are good to have + Rust resistant - File is worse than the Wave's. Not really worse, but certainly not as amazing as the diamond coated one on the Wave - Blade is not one handed - Scissors really suck. Really, I have no idea why they are inferior than those on the 91mm SAK's. - Steel not as tough as LM's Now the Wave+ + Pliers open wider than the SpiritX + Diamond coated file + Better scissors + One handed operation. This is insanely useful in a lot of situations. You will be happy you got this feature. + Serrated blade is exceptional in some cases. And good to have overall, if people don't use it - that's because they don't know where it shines. + Yes, Replaceable wire cutters + Bit drivers. Surprised no one mentions it - Leathearman bits are replaceable and you can carry extra if need be. A sole fixed philips on the Vic is just sooo 20th century and unacceptable. + Also you get tiny bits for electronics. + Adjustable tightness on hinges. Once Vic gets wobbly - its a wobbly Vic, Wave - you can tighten up with its own bits. + 8inch ruler with 2 measurement units + Pocket clip + Cheaper Price - Heavier (8.5oz vs 7.4oz), but also shorter in length compared to the SpiritX - Some tools are not on the outside - Vulnerable to rust, though mine never had it TLDR: As much as I love the Vic, the Wave is a better tool in my opinion.
I’ve got both of these tools. The Victorinox is a really good tool for all the reasons you’ve stated. In the real world though I find the steel the tools are made from isn’t as hard and as tough as the leathermans and once you damage the wire cutters on the Victorinox they’re useless until you send it away for repair. Also the ratchet tool you can get for the Victorinox seems like a good idea but it’s bulky and not as easy to carry with the tool. With the Leatherman I carry spare wire cutter blades, in case they get damaged, with the extra tool bits you can get to swop out with the driver bits. That strip of extra tool bits fits in the pouch behind the Leatherman. Maybe that’s why the Leatherman pouch is slightly bigger. Lastly I’ve broken the chisel and actually bent the saw blade on the Victorinox. I’ve never broken any of the tools on the Leatherman. Also I wear glasses and if I’m out camping or just away from home for periods of time the jewellers screwdriver has come in really handy on a few occasions. Whilst the Victorinox is a lovely tool, for me at least, the Leatherman is superior and more reliable especially when you’re out in the back of beyond.
Isn’t the flap on the leatherman pouch longer so you can still close the pouch and store the leatherman with pliers open? It’s what the little metal grommet hole is for. The tip of the pliers fits in there. I’ve had all my waves lost or stolen over the years… so I can’t try it out but that’s what I remember.
Being able to add a pocket clip to the wave (charge) is really what sets it apart as i pocket carry. Add to that the one handed knife opening and it's a clear choice for me. As a bonus though I'd like to add that the mini screw driver is great for reset buttons on routers and such. Also the saws are different, but a thinner saw usually can cut faster.. Also also the bit kits are hardly comparable in bulkiness, but i have seen mods where people shiv down one of their bits to make it into an awl, probably could sharpen a flat head for a chisel too easily enough if you wanted that tool..
Great review! From Leatherman only Surge can compete with SwissTool. It is better because of the t shank saws one can buy for it but inferior scissors. I chose Surge because is one hand open blades. I added small zipties to the thumbholes.
@@JonGadget please consider to talk about the angle needed to sharpen the plain blade of Surge. imo Victorinox blades can be razor sharpened very easy and very fast.
thanks for such a detailed comparison. I'm weird (am I? lol), I just don't think of Victorinox for anything other than the "folding pocket knife" style vs a "multitool" like something from Leatherman. Probably narrow-minded of me >_> But some of those tools the Spirit X has that the Wave+ doesn't are certainly intriguing... but at this point, with my bits and bit driver I'm kinda married to Leatherman, too.
Great 👍🏻 review Jon , yeah another tough decision to make lol , I prefer the wave in this particular comparison. 😎very handy tools 🛠 both. Thanks for the review. What’s your opinion on the leatherman charge tti with upgraded steel main blade ?
Thanks Marc. TTi is pricey but great if you can afford it. If size and weight is not a problem the Surge is also great option in terms of overall tool selection (although steel bog standard).
Well, as you mentioned, weapon laws forbid the Leatherman in Germany to be carried in public, so the Spirit X is the only everyday carry option without the risk of confiscated tools and fines. But luckily, the better build quality doesn't make it a hard pill to swallow :)
@@dc76384 There is no quality issues with LM. Victorinox is just a more premium product and that is also reflected in the price. And for me personally, I like using locally made products as I live in Germany.
Awesome video. Well explained. It would be very helpful if you could do a comparison between Victorinox spirit and Victorinox Swiss tool. I am stuck deciding between the two for buying a Multitool for myself.
GREAT REVIEW. I bought a new Leatherman Wave+ recently, it is my very first Leatherman, but Not my first Multi tool. I've carried a SOG Powerlock for the last 15 years, without a problem. I only switched to the Leatherman, because the SOG is so hard to get to the rest of tools. I Like the Wave+, and I 100% agree with every detail you mentioned about it. The scissors feel like a toy, even next to my Victorinox Huntsman, or Climber. Unless you want to spend another 25 dollars or so on the tools for the driver, plus a way to carry them, the driver is exactly the way you say. The Leatherman is indeed Heavy, you never forget it's on your belt. Mine was very stiff when I got it, and for the first week, I just kept working it to get the tools smoother, but it still hasn't happened. You definitely have to watch for pinching your finger with it also. I Love the sound of the tools as they snap open and shut on the Spirit X, they just sound precision. Leatherman has a "Lock" here in the U.S. because you can walk into almost any store, and find them for sale. Victorinox, about the only thing you will see are maybe a few knives, and I believe that's where Victorinox pales. If I could have walked into my local Home Depot, and bought the Spirit X, like I did my. Leatherman Wave+, I would have come home with the Victorinox. It's just hard for me to wait for 4,5, or 6 days for something to arrive by parcel, when I can walk in and buy it. I really wish Victorinox would bump up the places to purchase their product in the U.S.. Even using their "Places to buy" map, most every place listed is only a place that you order from, other then a few Classic SD, or Tinker knives... I WILL buy the Spirit X !!!!!!! I'd even Gladly trade my New Wave+ for one, but I don't think I'd get any takers. Thanks Again, Great Review......
Thanks for the detailed feedback Sonny. Really interesting to get your view here. May be Victorinox will be watching? Thanks again for taking the time. I am sure others will also benefit from reading your comment 👍
Hi John, an excellent review as always! I recently bought the Vic spirit MX clip and it seems to have a little play on the pliers (about 0.5-1mm) and I was wondering if that is normal. Does yours have any play?
Good comparison. I generally agree with you with a couple of caveats. I don’t think the bit kit of the Victorinox is comparable. I’ve tried to carry the ratchet set with one and it’s much more bulky and heavy than simply adding the Leatherman bits. On quality, I do agree that while the QC on Victorinox is extraordinarily good they do have up issues. I had to send two Spirit X’s back because the awl and/or chisel lock failed. I’ve never had that happen with the tools on the Charge. (I do note that Leatherman had issues with the blade on the Signal however.) I alternate between them for carry, but for me neither one is better than the other. For urban use I prefer the Spirit X but prefer the Wave for outdoor use. I have a dedicated folder but love the serrated blade for cutting rope or straps. Again, great comparison, I simply don’t think one is better than the other. As always with tools, just buy both! 😁
Thanks for the feedback Dale, both are great tools and it is really down to what people need in terms of functionality - no losers, just winners. The Surge is my go-to at the moment 😊
@@dalecarr5445 It's unwieldy and you can't really put enough force in it. I started to use a bike (cycling) multitool just for the torx and hex tools. Not worth the weight for me Especially at 90 degree angle, super hard to use as a screwdriver or hex/torx key.
I am a long time Leather wave and SAK handyman user the two compliment each other perfectly I also have the bit kit and bit extender as well.. I use my wave in areas where the stoutness is king.. And thats where for me the Wave wins, I have use my wave all over the world either on Deployements when in the forces or when out and about on outdorr activities, I have even used the tiny screw driver to help fix radios etc(it is far more useful than you think), I have a SAK's handyman for when just out and about where I have no reasonable excuse(AM UK) to carry my Wave and I also carry the SAK's as an extra even when I have my Wave... The two together with the bit kits etc give me a tool kit for all my needs.. I tried to switch to the Spirit X but I just felt the Stoutness of the Wave+ gave me a sense of confidence when using it and as I have used a Wave(then upgraded to the +) for around 11 years it has never failed me. I prefered the feel of the Wave in my hands when using the cutting blades and Saw, It just felt comfortable if I was using it for a long period when compared with the spirit X. Either way it is a personal choice Me I prefer my Wave+ And Handyman Combo.... Though the Spirit X was great and I would be more than happy if thats all I had...
Great feedback 😊 Thanks for sharing, really good to hear. There is no right or wrong here both tools are great and ultimately what someone chooses to carry depends on the user and the use, and what's right for them is right 👍
@@JonGadget I agree with you, No right or wrongs, They are both fantastic, But here's food for thought for you.. When you compare the blades of the two Tools would you Baton down on the SAK's or the Wave+'s Blade to split wood??? I know you can on the SAK,s(have done it a few times on my Handyman) But which would you choose?? THANK YOU for your video by the way... This was the first one I watched and now I have to binge what the rest as this one was fantastic and balanced, so much better than 99% of similar reviewers out there.....
@@hudsonbear5038 thanks for the kind comments on the channel which is much appreciated. To answer your question, in that use case I would pick the Wave - that blade is much more substantial 👍
I have the Wave and both Swisstool and Spirit X. If I had to keep onlyone, it would be the Wave, bit kit, and ratchet driver extender, everyday. It's gotten me through so many odd jobs and saved me many occasions. The piers, scissors, file, micro driver, blade, bits, everything does the job! I simply trust it to have what I need in a pinch. Reliable!
That was an excellent comparison but you missed a tool on the chisel of the victorinox which is called an isolation length cutter and it also has 2 lanyard rings, one which can be used as a lanyard and the other for the cockscrew bottle opener accessory. I'd give it to the victorinox as as well as it is much stronger and of premium quality. Also the wood saw on this thing can almost go through a tree. Not a typical wood saw I can say this much.
Hi, my favourite two. I just can't pick one over the other. I keep going from one to the other. Especially since I have changed the small glasses bit exchanger for the small flat screwdriver, thanks to you. For my use they are pretty even now. Definitely Victorinox have better finish quality, more like gentleman's tool. Leatherman is more rough around the edges, looks a bit tougher for me at least. But both are excellent tools and they will get you out from a tough situation, it is personal choice at the end. If you can't choose like me, get both😁👍. Excellent review my friend, can't wait to see Surge vs Swisstool. I have got the Swisstool by the way, it is big and heavy 😁😁. Take care my friend.
Hi 😊 I hope you are well. Thanks for the feedback as always. Yes, I'm with you on all points - just working on swisstool vs surge now so hope to have something soon.
Unfortunately ALL of the Victorimox Swiss tools have handle alignments issues and they simply don’t line up! Spirit is a bit better but still not perfect! I have been looking for years to find one that has perfect alignment but no luck yet! Thanks for the video
Great review thanks. I've had both tools for 10+ years. I've found the Spirit to be a 'nicer' tool with great feel and aesthetics, however when considering, and using, them as 'tools', the Leatherman wins hands down, especially in durability (screwed pivots much better than rivets). Over time I've found the Leatherman saw to be far superior (the Victorinox saw is too wide and inefficient at cutting) and also the Vic scissors are (surprisingly) not great performers. Mostly though, the Leatherman has two brute, effective OHO knives that excel in 'real world' duties. Victorinox for form, Leatherman for function.
The amount of times I have used my wave to spilt wood hitting the spine of the blades with a batonis impossible to count... I know you can do the same on SAK's but I always cringe and expect them to break, where as the wave I never give a second though. Same with prolonge cutting or sawing with a wave it is just so comfortable when compared to the spirit x(had one but got rid of it).. The beefiness of the Wave is what wins hands down for me.... Love SAK's tools and love my Handyman but when it comes to hard/heavy work I always default to my Wave.. I see my Wave+ as a heavy duty tool and SAK,s as a general tool...
@@JonGadget Hi Jon. Yes, but it's a bit of a complicated experience. When carrying a multi tool for 'just in case', it's the Victorinox. When I am likely to need it, the Leatherman. However, when I am likely to need a multi tool, I tend to use 'actual' tools that I will have on hand for whatever task. For example I carry tools in my car, if biking I have a bike specific tool. If hiking - I don't really need tools... So there is the the conundrum: I have found the Wave to be the better tool, but carry the Spirit more often. [In practice, I have found I don't really need pliers. I actually use one handle off the Wave (which can be done thanks to the screws). I have customized this to what I really need - OHO knife, scissors, saw etc. Lightweight, strong and pocket clip-able.]
I keep it in original sheath and carry on belt when needed. Kits usually focus in keeping weight down when expecting to carry over any time or distance.
Nice to play with it a little. Than put it in a drawer forever and if there is something to do, we use a 1$ screwdriver or 5$ pliers. The only thing I use is the victorinox mini scissor on the keying to cut finger nails often. But some Airports not allow it and than have to throw it away.
I recently broke the blade of my Leatherman Wave after 21 years of use.I sent it off for repair and received "free of charge" a brand new Wave+ Fantastic service and proof of the 25 year guarantee.
Great video as always but no replaceable cutters and no replaceable bits - sorry Jon but, whilst I love Victorinox Swiss Army Knifes and own quite a few, the Victorinox Spirit is absolutely no match for my trusty Leatherman Wave +
I own the Bibury multi tool that's about as big as the surge. And I own a wave+. My hand always wants the larger Bibury, even though my brain knows that the wave is better. I have never had the Victorinox in hand, but I have several eBay Victorinox knife rescues running around the house.
Jon, I must say that you are the single reason I own the Victorinox Compact and am now interested in the Victorinox Spirit. I absolutely love my Compact and never go anywhere without it. You were spot on about it. I never gave Victorinox a thought for years. Just wasn’t interested until seeing your videos. I have always been a huge fan of Leatherman and will always own them, but man oh man, I find your persuasion for the Spirit highly irresistible.
It has been said the best knife in a disaster situation is the one in your pocket. Let's be honest whether a Victor Knox or Leatherman these knives are great. Please carry at least one. And for 80 to 90% of all your situations it won't matter which one you carry you will just be glad you have it.
good point well made 👍
Leatherman>Victorinox in the USA. In Europe with your draconian knife laws and arbitrary restrictions on freedom then Vic is the way.
@@dmam412 - person that has never been to europe
@@captainkidney8577 I don’t need to go there to understand Germany placing restrictions on OHO knives or locking knives makes little sense. Or the UK not allowing locking knives for some reason… I guess that’s why we fought a war to be rid of such restrictions.
Another reason for LM being superior in the states is the cost associated with customs and shipping. You pay a premium in Europe while the states are free trade.
Agree I own both and like both alot you won't go wrong.
One minor correction on the saw measurement for the Wave. You measured the back side of the saw (1mm), the cutting side is 1.35mm. It is tapered so the saw doesn't bind during the cut. It's still thinner than the Vic, but only by 0.15mm.
25:45 "holds fingerprints really well" - they could market that as a feature to amateur detectives 😂
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Something I'd like to add about the Leatherman wave, DO NOT pry with it at all. The metal is far too brittle. I currently have 5 Leatherman waves all with busted bits. Do keep in mind that I use it everyday at work. I've owned many Victorinox pocket knives and they have always held up well. I will be purchasing a Spirt X after watching this video. Thanks for the review
hows it holding up so far
Interesting I own both.
I have a 3 inch pry tool I paid $5 for on my keys. I use it often, it’s amazing what it can do. I would not ever want to pry with a multitool or sak. It’s not worth the abusive to a treasured multi or sak.
I have had a Wave for quite a few years and have been somewhat interested in the Victorinox multi tools, but have yet to handle one myself.
Excellent video.
Thanks for the feedback 👍 much appreciated.
They are great, they really are. The build quality is excellent. I think of the Leathermans as tools for the average Joe while the Victorinox Spirit Series is more like a Rolls Royce, a gentleman’s tool but that doesn’t mean it’s flimsy or breaks easily, quite the opposite. It’s a premium product in every sense of the word. Not just in price and looks but also in toughness and reliability. I highly recommend you trying one out for yourself. I love both the leatherman and Victorinox.
Hello, John. I have all 4 of them: The Surge, the Swisstool X, the Victorinox Spirit, and the Leatherman Wave...My personal opinión is that the Leatherman wave & Surge are exceptionally capable and very durable. I am in industrial wleder, and have been for 20+ years. In that type of environment, Leatherman is quite exeptional... The 2 Victorinox multitools i have are absolutely excellent and superb...I really enjoy them for around the house and outside projects, both are exceptionally amazing.😇👍
Yeah, I am an industrial pipe fitter, have a stack of multi tools and find that there are horses for courses. I carry the Leatherman Crunch at work because of the versatility of the vice grips. In my car, I have the bestial Surge along with ratchet driver and bit kit. If I'm going about my day to day, I have Sog Powerpint in my pocket - very useful and you wouldn’t know it was there.
@@Maixo I mostly carry the PowerPint. I wish the step up, PowerAccess, had a saw blade one it instead of the serrated blade. I'd carry that 6 oz in a heartbeat.
@@Maixothat crunch is legendary and extremely rare.
@@Maixo¡¡The Power Pint is excellente!!
Have you got the Leatherman Arc yet? If so, what do you think?
You make some of the best reviews and comparisons on UA-cam, a pleasure to listen to you, you've such a chilling voice 🙂 thanks for that. Greetings from Germany 😊
That's really kind of you to say - thank you 🙏 Greetings Germany 😊
Subscribed. Always love your detailed reviews, straight-forward and eloquently stated. In terms of the LM vs. VIC discussion, I'm a house divided. I have several LMs - Wave +, MUT EOD, Surge, ST 300, Rebar, Signal. I only have one VIC - the Swiss Tool X. I love them all. I particularly love the design/form/engineering of the VIC. But when it comes time to really use/abuse my tools, I reach for my LMs every single time. I can't quite put my finger on it (I do find the VIC capable), but it might lean towards the point that I just find the VIC too pretty. If that makes sense. Anyway, that's my experience to add to the conversation here. Thank you again for these great reviews.
Thanks for the feedback - I know what you mean 😁 Thanks for the Sub.
Clear winner for the supreme craftsmanship and precision of Swiss engineering!
I had a Rebar and later picked a SwissTool X, the Spirit' big brother; i don't care about Leatherman anymore, except for collection only. Victorinox has far superior quality, finishing and aesthetics. Some features of Leatherman models are interesting but not crucial, plus, there were the usual complains with broken pliers and parts.
As someone who is only just getting into multi tools, this is interesting to know. As an owner of many Victorinox knives, I just never associated multi tools with the brand. But I’ll be looking now.
Yeah the only tools I've had failed is Leatherman. Cheaper metal? I've had them just snap. No failure with Victorinox. I also have a SOG seems well made but it's only flaw is the self service nuts can unwanted unscrew so have to tighten or check periodically.
My experience has been the exact opposite so this anecdotal at best.
@@michaelcosta7235 I know! A very rarely ever see a negative comment about Leatherman! No matter what tool you put against it the Leatherman always is the winner and anything I've ever had Leatherman has just been top of the line
I sell my Skeletool CX it rust like crazy and I'm going with Victorinox spirit mx clip
👍 Good comparison of these 2 excellent tools. I was (still am) a big fan of the original Leatherman Wave. But then I discovered the Victorinox Spirit X and have never looked back. The Victorinox has every tool I need, they are all accessible with the tool closed, they all lock, and the ergonomics of this tool are perfect for me. Plus, the Spirit X is built like a tank.
Thanks for the comment 👍 Both great tools - as a stand alone tool the Vic had it for me too (as you know 😊)
It's clearly no contest the Leatherman is complete rubbish
@@dc76384 I wouldn’t say the Leatherman is rubbish, but I definitely prefer the Victorinox.
@@dc76384 spazzatura sei tu
Thanks Jon as always. Really appreciate your detailed balanced reviews. Totally agree, both are excellent tools but the quality of Victorinox is hard to match .
Thanks Paul 😊 yes, Vic quality is really good
Eu também concordo.. vitorinox na minha opinião é o melhor multitool
Thanks for another great comparison review. I have the Wave + but am impressed with the Spirit X. I went over to the Victorinox Swiss Army store and they want $129 for the plain Spirit X with sheath, $159 for the Spirit X plus with bits, and $179! for the Spirit X plus with ratcheting driver. I have all the extra flat bits with the Wave + (I opted for a slightly larger case), so think I’ll just get the standard Spirit X. Thanks again! P.S. just found a couple of other knife sites with it at $104! There you go. Looking forward to trying it out. 👍
Glad you found a better price 👍 Let me know how you get on with it.
Personally I find the victorinox looks almost too nice and fancy to beat down on. Maybe if I was inside more or did cleaner work. The replaceable wire cutters are also very useful and the replaceable bits with the driver already in just makes more sense to me. Thank you for the breakdown!
Thanks for the feedback. The Surge gets my vote though when the going gets tough 👍
I know what u mean. I am a robotics mentor. The fit and finish for a Victorinox is a fine fit for a technician 👨🔧 in a clean environment. Everything Vic does it does with style. But if I was a maintenance worker I would be guarded about how I abused the wire cutters and pliers and such.
Thanks for this REALLY great analysis and comparison of these tools. Really well done! Thanks!!
Sir Jonathan's analysis mirrors my own, revealing his refined intellect and perspicacity. And like me, I suspect he is also a thorough and generous lover.
spot on! (although there is a word there I have never seen before!)
Has anyone else noticed he went from sub 2000 subs to over 30k?
They're both junk.
Thanks for this video Jon! You are my go to if I want to look for an edc review. Very good audio, grreat presentation and the way you speak is not too fast, easy to understand for a non english as first language. Keep it up! Cheers!
Awesome, thank you!
I've only ever owned one leatherman in my life handed down to me by dad, apart from the knife, no tool in leathermans in my opinion compares to that of the swisstool spirit X. I think the spirit X is the best multitool ever designed by victorinox. I've owned mine for about 16 years now, use it every single day and it still appears as though I just took it out the box. The pry tool is like a crowbar and the wood saw goes through wood and thick plastic like wolverine's adamantium claws. I've done some research to try to find out what kind of steel the Vic swisstool spirit X uses, I only come up with 440C but that thing must be made out of Vibranium or something. (lol) Don't know about other Vics except for the huntsman 2 and the Swisstool X but the spirit X is like on another level of multitool. This is my confession.
Nice 😊
Thanks again for taking time to make this great comparison. I really enjoy your combination of objective, detailed descriptions and personal opinions. The review is really a piece of beautifully composed video prose.
Thank you for the kind feedback 😊
Great vlog thanks for sharing very comprehensive analysis. This has assisted greatly with personal preference in selecting a great multi tool.
Thank you for the kind comment 😊
Might be my favorite video so far! I have a Spirit X and always wondered how it compares to the Wave. This video made me like the Spirit even more 😁
Leatherman is so dominant in Israel, that in Hebrew with don't have a word for multi-tool, we call them "Leatherman" lol. The Victorinox Israeli site calls multi-tools in English because of that!
And I have a Spirit X that my father bought me when I joined the army, and this is my favorite EDC tool I own.
About a month ago I assembled a closet only with it, drilling with the awl, screwing, hammering, filing, cutting - it was such a pleasure.
Have a great week Sir, thanks for the video 🤓
Hi Eyal. Thanks for the great feedback as always. The Vic is so well engineered 👍
Which part of the tool did you use to hammer? The side of the pliers?
@@pjgppjgp I was thinking the butt end of the handle maybe?
@@pjgppjgp Well I cheated. Didn't want to damage the actual tool. I'm not sure how to describe it in English, but a friend made me like a "metal sheath" so it would take the bumps. Then it's like hitting with a chunk of metal 🤓
@@ELaster1 איך הפכת באמת את הכלי לפטיש? אגב, ממליץ על הכלי לצבא? אני כרגע בשירות קרבי ויש לי וויב+, והוא מעולה אבל לא גורם לי לרצות להשתמש בו, קשה להסביר. משהו בספיריט גורם לי לרצות להחליף איתו את הלדרמן שלי
Really nice review! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the 2 tools. I have a Vic Spirit XBS and a LM Surge. Those are different, but for heavier or creative work I always choose the Surge. For light EDC everyday tasks the XBS is perfect. I’m looking forward to seeing you Surge comparison video.
Makes perfect sense Péter 👍 yes, will try and get that one out in next 3-4 weeks
I'm a Surge man myself! After my shower and on weekends I switch to the SwissChamp. I really want a Spirit, but it really has no place in my rotation. I really did my homework years ago and the Surge was my first multi tool as an adult, then the Minichamp for my keys and then I added the SwissChamp. Sooner or later I'll add some variation of the Spirit.
I only own Leatherman multitools but this video made me want a vic, they seem very solid! Something I would add is that the Leatherman can easily integrate a pocket clip for carrying it, whereas Victorinox doesn’t make one for their tools, forcing you to look for third party solutions. That’s big for me because I don’t like carrying my multitools in a sheath and I don’t like them loose in my pocket either, pocket clips help a lot. The other huge point is that Leatherman will go above and beyond in terms of warranty, even if the tool is broken due to abuse, they’ll happily fix it or replace it, I know from experience: I broke a flat screwdriver using it to pry and they replaced the whole tool (which had seen a lot use and it was evident) for a new one, and that to me makes it far more worth the price than most of the competition. I have no experience with how Victorinox handles warranty claims so I can’t really say Leatherman wins but Leatherman would be very hard to beat in that regard. Great video and great comparison, looking forward to the Surge vs Swisstool showdown!
Victorinox will fix or replace every tool you send ll them .
@@DimitrisDimopoulos. that’s good to know, thanks!
Great feedback Miguel - thanks for sharing - good point regarding the pocket clip - I missed that one 👍
do they really @@DimitrisDimopoulos. ? They are not even responding to my messages.
thK U for this Video . 👍
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I think the point is that these tools are for emergencies really.
It is always best to use a proper screwdriver of the correct size if possible.
I have the Wave without the replaceable plier blades but I'll never wear them out and I'd always use pliers or side cutters if I can.
I also have the Skeletool with the plain 154CM blade and I never never use the knife blade, as I want to keep it razor sharp for when I really need it.
I think you make a good point there 👍
To each his own, but my philosophy is the exact opposite. I keep a multi tool as first line. If it can save me a trip to the truck or garage it's a win for me. For instance, I was a commercial mower for years. I maintained mostly medium sized complexes and city lots and one very large apartment complex. People called me nuts because I carried my Surge and both bit kits everywhere even while weedeating for hours at a time. If an unruly branch less than 3 inches needed cutting, I'd hop off the z turn and have it done in less time than going to the trailer. If my weedeater needed adjusting, I'd handle it on the spot. If my enclosed trailer panels had a loose screw it was handled in seconds. Cutting weedeater string, pulling a belt that popped off, back on, reajusting an arm on the zero turn when they are not syncing up...the list really goes on and on. For me a multi tool is about having a good enough tool on you. On those hot summer days my Surge saved me at least an hour a day. At least. Even at home I have my SwissChamp on me almost all the time. Multi tools are time savers for me. I don't understand people who have them in a drawer at home. You can buy a proper set of tools for cheaper. But again to each his own.
@@davidfontenot5223 we like how they look, we like to touch them, feel them, play with them,enjoy their craftsmanship and use them from time to time. We use them certainly not as much as you do but if everyone was like you there probably wouldn't be a huge multitool market, but i could be wrong. We keep them in a drawer because we work in an office/at home on a computer. We don't need to tie the multitool to our underwater while we sip our coffee. Our lives don't revolve around a multitool, but i guess it isn't a crime that a multitool revolves around our life, even if it's in a drawer.
@Dariusus I literally started AND ended my comment with "To each his own." How you feel my comment implied my life revolves around my multitool because I explained how it saved me an hour a day is baffling to me.
Everyone has different needs and we fill them the way we see fit. I hope you don't feel I was attacking or belittling anyone like yourself. But it was not my intention. All I was saying is that if you have it in a drawer at home you could have a proper set of tools at your disposal for less money. I think that's helpful advice to someone who just needs a simple set of tools. If you simply like the way they look and feel that's awesome too. I collect things I don't necessarily need and don't care if others don't understand why. This conversation is about different people's uses for multi tools. I stated mine. That said I totally understand an office worker not wanting a multi tool on them during their 9 to 5. We have different needs and wants, nothing wrong with that. If you can understand why you have a multi tool to mostly admire it, why can't you understand I keep my SwissChamp on me when I'm off the clock? I like admiring fine craftsmanship and simply fidgeting with one too! 😃
A Surge on my hip makes me more efficient on my job and a SwissChamp on my hip elswhere is cool to admire and use when needed. If it's a nuisance on yours and you put it in a drawer we are both getting what we want for our money. Cheers.
@@davidfontenot5223
Great review.... im done with Leatherman John... just ordered my SPIRIT X ... today... thank you .. And also a Panama notebook...lol all down to you..Please do you know where I could buy the ratchet bit set etc from please ... I live in the UK 🇬🇧
AWESOME REVIEWS... KEEP IT UP
Dear Jon, excellent video, as you are used to us by now. I am lucky to have both tools (I also have the SwissTool), and I agree with you. The quality of Victorinox, the choice of tools and the ease of access to them make it almost impossible to beat. Sometimes they seem to have very different approaches, one (Leatherman) prioritizes one-handed opening over the other tools, while the other (Victorinox) is more balanced. For the use that I give it, I undoubtedly prefer the Victorinox, to that I would add that I do not know people who publish in the forums, cases in which the tool has broken. Greetings.
Thanks for the feedback Ricardo - great to hear 👍😊
Tenho os 2.. porém o leatherman wave não teve a mesma qualidade do tanque de guerra vitorinox.. sem dúvida muito melhor..
Victorinox Spirit X is far superior to the Wave plus for many more reasons.The main ones,that are enough to choose the Spirit ,is the huge difference in quality,toughness and longevity but also the amount of tools/uses,which are more on the Spirit X. It just checks more ticks and the most important parts in comparison.
They are both nice, but I prefer the Wave+ as a "package tool" when you compare the 2 with their add-on components. The Wave+ with 40 bits and an extender all fitting an a small nylon pouch is unbeatable for me in my bag. As a standalone tool, I would probably go for the new Spirit MX (with pocket clip and one handed blade).
p.s. Stiff leathermand pliers have been a problem lately. But I easily fixed mine with some fine diamond grinding paste and WD-40. Very smooth action now with no plier play.
Add-on components have no place in multitools. They're normal in bigger, dedicated tool sets, but unacceptable in multitools. If I carry a multitool, I do so because I want to have all tools permanently integrated within, with no need to carry any external junk.
@@vladimirvladimirovic8989 No place for you maybe. If it’s all in the same pouch of reasonable so; it’s convenient enough and fine for me.
The answer is Leatherman Surge. The T shank blade exchanger and larger scissors will change your life at a minor weight penalty. At least in the USA where t-shank is standard for many tool types so you can get all kinds of blades, file profiles, including oversized ones etc.
Agreed!
Surge is my go-to tool - comparison with Swiss Tool in the works!
Thanks for the review . And making up for the request. Well had purchased victorinox spirit over leather man.. was inclined as I was used to victorinox camping knife.much appreciated
Most informative and enjoyable. looking forward to the next episode.
thanks Andy
Nicely presented, pleasing lack of hype and dramatics! Which is the winner, does that really matter, both are good reliable products so either would do a good job.
I have both and the Victorinox is by far the most comfortable in hand. Each has its’ place but the Leatherman is the one I would ditch if I could only keep one.
Interesting. I also own both and use both. But I think the Leatherman has a lot better wire cutters. The vic doesn't cut to great but they do definitely work.
Good review. Now I've watched I'm glad I went with the Leatherman Surge, LOL.
With regards accessories the 2D bits that Leatherman do, while not as nice as full size hex bits, make a huge difference to the bulk of carrying around extra bits and the new ratcheting bit driver extender is amazing. I know accessories are an extra but they are an option I always consider when making a purchase.
I agree I have all of those with a Surge and love it - I have ordered a Swisstool X to compare with the Surge!
@@JonGadget non c'è confronto. La surge stravince.
You just can't help but be happy every time you have the Spirit in your hand, move parts or even just look at it. It helps that it also has an almost perfect toolset. Every time I hold or use my mates Leatherman's I am quickly reminded why the Spirit is in my pocket.
I love Leatherman's design (especialy one handed knife) more than Victorinox's but definetely Victorinox looks more elegant. As tools -except knife- Victorinox looks far better I think. It may because of I'm an everyday Victorinox user since 2007 but I realy never have struggle about tools on my Victorinox.
Interesting! - thanks for taking the time to comment 🙏
Superb review. Congrats. I have Charge Ti and Swisstool Spirit X and prefer Victorinox. It is a personal opinion
thanks for the feedback 👍🙏
Ive several LM multitools, and to-date ZERO Vic MT (although a little bird tells me there will be a Swisstool Spirit X under the tree for me this year) and I’ll prob use the Vic as an “urban” carry MT and rely on my Rebar, ST300, and Wingman for my forays into the wild by foot or by Jeep. Your detailed and thorough synopsis of these really makes me antsy to get my ‘hooks on my holiday gift and as always it’s among the best reviewdios on the internet.
Thank you for the kind comments and the great feedback 🙏
I've had my Leatherman wave & Leatherman Surge since 2005. Worked 13 years as a structural welder for the iron workers, and 20 years in welding. I am a 100% believer in Leatherman, however the process at which you went about explaining the two victorinox Multi tools (the Spirit x & the Swiss tool) I felt like I needed to check them out...I ended up getting both of them, i use them for my camping excursions and they perform exquisitely...Long live Victorinox😎👍
I have the skeletol and the super tool, i find the skeletool does not have enough tolls, and the super tool is too large, so i may do the wave, from your review, do you think the spirit x is a better buy?
wonderful tools!!! Been meaning to get the leatherman wave + for years...will get one after this video!! Great in-depth video!!
Thank you for the kind comment 😊
Thanks for the widespread and detailed comprehension! If I'm looking for a multitool, I'm looking for tools, for good, substantial and versatile tools in the first place, because I always carry a knife, pocket or small fixed. So blades on a multitool are not #1 significance for me. That led me to the Swiss Tool Spirit X Plus with the additional ratchet-/bit kit including a mini screwdriver and even a corkscrew15 years ago. For it is an early edition, it has the serrated blade (for me a plus as i carry an edc knife in any case. This tool never ever disappointed me over the years. But as you mentioned: Everyone should choose a tool to his own preferences and field of application.
I prefer the rolled edges on the Wave Plus handles. Makes using the pliers much more comfortable. It is my favorite tool and works great for me. Thanks for the detailed comparison.
My dad bought me a wave for Christmas a few years ago and it's seen use everyday. The Victorinox looks great, but I'll stick to Leatherman if only for sentimental reasons.
Both great tools
I use collect and use BOTH Victorinox and Leatherman. I bought my first Swiss Champ knife (best "bang for the buck" of their line at the time for features and price) some 30 years ago and had it refurbished as good as new by Victorinox recently. My first multitool was the Leatherman Wave (which I stupidly lost and had to replace with another) and now use the Charge (with the ratchet attachment). I have since bought the Spirit multitool and, lo and behold, it can be fitted with a neat little ratchet driver as well. Honestly, I cannot rate one make "better" than the other as I own and use both. Neither has proven a disappointment. Around the house, I tend to use the Leatherman tools. Away from home (camping, picnics etc.) my go-to is Victorinox.
Great feedback. Thanks for sharing 👍
Hallo Jon,
thanks for the great review. Awesome job. 😀
One thing I'd like to add regarding the plier heads: The Vic pliers are overlapping the other way, compared to the Leatherman ones. Vic changed that some years ago. The reason is, that they found out, that you put the most stress on the plier joint, when gripping a screw axially and trying to unscrew it. The Vic joint is made to better withstand this stress and last longer without getting loose.
I never knew that!! that is interesting, thanks for sharing. Thanks also for the kind words.
@@JonGadget I once stumbled over a video of one Vic employee explaining the chronology of the plier heads. In my memory it was Karl Elsener, but that might be retrospective wishful thinking. :-)
Regarding the legality of multitools (and knives) in Germany, we try to make the regulations as complicated as we can, of course. Illegal to carry (w/o specific reasons) is the combination of one hand opening and locking. Either one is ok - just the combination is forbidden. Oh, and fixed blades with a blade length of more than 12 cm are illegal to carry. I guess a giant folder like the biggest Opinel is ok, as it is not one hand opening. :-D
@@1zaj34 That's good to know - the laws in both our Countries seem to challenge common sense!
@@JonGadget Sometimes I get the impression, that is the main purpose of laws. :-D
Hello, Jon - excellent overview of these two fine multitools...I have the "New" Wave (2nd Gen.), which is really an excellent multitool. I could not see myself updating to the Wave +, as the only two changes made were the cutters and the electrical crimpers; a further "win" for the plier head...that is why I upgraded to the Surge which includes among other things, an awl...the crimpers in the Wave+ are not as good as dedicated electrical wire crimpers are, but in a pinch they will work just fine...I wish Leatherman had upgraded the edge file on the wood/metal/diamond file to a saw instead...it is very sad not to see the XC being offered by Victorinox, folks who buy it usually have a dedicated folder they use as their primary...I researched both the Spirit and the Swisstool and I found I preferred the Swisstool X because of its size, the rule and the nice scissors...looking forward to your review of the " big boys"...thanks for this interesting video...
Thanks for the great feedback Edgar. Great to get your perspective on these tools 👍
@@JonGadget I have heard the LM is made of far superior metal and heat treat ( stronger) ...is this true?
Semper Fi
Gunny
@@BOOSTEDLASER I'm don't know is the short answer! They keep their metals chemistry a secret but I believe it is close to 420HC with a bit more chromium.
I tend to prefer Victorinox products but the diamond file and bit driver put Leatherman on an advantage for me. As you are, I'm a fan of nice scissors so I went with the Surge which I believe has scissors which can compete closer to Victorinox then other Leatherman tools. Leatherman bit driver with the bit kit is a more elegant solution than Victorinox's bit kit in my opinion.
I am a fan of the Surge too for a fully rounded solution.
If I were European I would prefer vic products over LM. But living in a country where everything under the Sun isn’t banned I chose LM
@@B_L_Smith That's why I carry a knipex xs on the leatherman sheath
@@B_L_Smith It is still very compact and fits the sheath. Plus pliers wrench are very capable in my option and do some tasks better than both leatherman and victorinox. I don't think is the best solution and other sets of tools are capable, but for my usage I don't see a way to pack more stuff more compactly.
@@B_L_Smith knipex cobra pliers are 5 inches long super light. I EDC them. I wouldn’t recommend the xscobra as they are too small but it is personal preference
Had Leatherman for years, but unable to take out of home due to laws in Australia. Just picked up the Spirit X and it is amazing. The quality of this tool is amazing. It is also legal for me to carry in public so this is my new favourite multi-tool. Your video helped me to decide on this tool.
I'm curious how the Spirit would be legal, but not the wave. Is it something to do with the knife blade?
I have the same problem, here in the state I live in American I can not carry a switch blade or auto. So I carry a cold steel triad lock next best thing
I didn't know about the lanyard loop at all! Great review :)
Thanks Marek 😊
I owned the charge tti first. The medium flathead snapped off on first use on a plastic screw on a printer. I'm sure it was a defect but I was living in Japan and the warranty process was a lot of trouble. I replaced it with the swiss tool that came with the ratchet kit and the corkscrew with the micro screwdriver that goes with it.
I served in the army and knew lots of guys that loved their leathermans and also gerbers. I'm happy with my swiss spirit x, peanut butter blade and all.
Japan has crazy knife laws btw. about 3 inches is what you're legally allowed to carry.
I have to say John I really use the eye glasses screwdriver quite a bit. Thank you for your very thorough vid.
Another excellent, detailed review.
Can’t wait for the Swiss Tool review. I’m torn between the 2 Victorinox MTs.
thanks Graham - coming soon
Go work shop use leatherman surge, go office use victorinox sprit x, go champing use leatherman charge tti, go shopping use leatherman free p4.
a good way to rank tools 👍
⚠️ please don't use a random knife to get yourself or someone else out of a wrecked car, there are some really good little tools that cost around 5 CHF/€/£/$ and have a secure seat belt cutter and a spring-loaded window breaker, it will save your and other's life while keeping you safe.
If I’m trapped and need to be rescued please use whatever you have available.
Excellent comparison of features and uses. Well done!
thank you 🙏
I've never found myself needing an awl, hook, nor chisel. But eyeglass/electronics screwdrivers have come in handy. And maybe it's just a Canadian thing, but my Wave+ came with an extra bit with red+green Robertson ends in addition to the Phillips+flat bit. And the nylon case includes a pocket to store an extra but or two.
The scissors on the original Wave, before adding the double-ended bit drivers, were larger and better IMO. But they really improved the straight knife blade with the Wave+.
great feedback - thanks for sharing....
I love your reviews, keep up the good work! New subscriber here by the way!
Leatherman any day. But Victorinox looks better
I really enjoyed watching your review and your attention to detail. Now that I am about to join the armed forces, my first choice was the Gerber MP600, but I quickly discovered that the sliding plier head was too much for me. Then I went into a store and tried the Wave+ and the Surge: both were exceptionally well-built, but the externally accessible tools did not appear to be a smart choice for a harsh environment.
After watching endless comparison videos, I realized that I needed more than one multitool so I bought two Leatherman multitools in black oxide finish: a Rebar as my go-to primary tool and a Leatherman Supertool 300 as my backup/barracks tool. I also got an extender adapter for the Philips driver allowing me to use Leatherman bits with both multitools.
The main reasons for choosing Leatherman over Gerber, SOG and even Victorinox were the replaceable wire cutters, the ability to dismantle and replace individual tools as necessary - even the plier head, the availability of bits and extenders and the overall feel. That being said, Victorinox Swisstool blows the competition out of the water in terms of quality and precision: it looks and feels like a work of art, and it is for that reason exactly I would feel guilty beating the crap out of it.
I also have a Victorinox Super Tinker for its excellent scissors and the dedicated tin opener, and a small heavy-duty prybar to open ammo boxes, crates and the like.
Lastly, since I expect to carry a combat knife strapped onto my vest, the absence of a substantial blade which opens from the outside was not a dealbreaker.
They are both excellent, its a good time to be a knife and multi tool aficionado.
agreed 👍
So here are my points for the Leatherman Wave+ and the Swiss Tool Spirit X. I have not handled the Spirit X, but I have heard a lot about it and watched a fair amount of reviews on it. If the quality of it is consistent with their Swiss Army Knives, I can safely say that the fit and finish is better on the Spirit X. I own a 2nd gen Wave and a Wave+. I have also handled a 1st gen Wave which I warrantied.
To start with, both tools are now available in two handed and one handed versions (Wave 2H, Spirit MX), to my knowledge. There are also black coated versions of both tools (Wave+ even comes in a black and silver version). I think the Wave+ is a more innovative tool with an industrial feel to it while the Spirit X is a more traditional tool made to be elegant yet functional. Although the stock Spirit X probably beats a stock Wave+ in many ways, I think the Wave+ being thought of more as a platform gives it a very important competitive edge. One advantage the Wave+ has is that it is relatively easy to disassemble, mod, fix, and maintenance due to the use of security torx screws securing the tool together (Wave+ simply requires you to have two security torx drivers although I wish they'd switch to regular torx) as opposed to the rivets of the Spirit X (Spirit would need to have its rivets drilled out and be re-riveted). Since spare pieces of Leatherman tools can often be found on Ebay, the Wave+ has a decent aftermarket to mod and/or fix the tool yourself. Additionally, there are a lot of aftermarket custom parts (scalpel holders, titanium pocket clips, Charge blades, hammer attachment, custom tools that fit within the bit exchanger, etc.) one can get for the Wave+ to really heighten the usefulness of the tool. Even outside of the DIY stuff, the Wave+ has a huge advantage acting as a platform since you can get Leatherman bit kit compatible accessories to go with it (full bit set, extender, ratchet driver, carbide glass breaker, sight adjuster, MUT long bits). These accessories also have an advantage in that many of them can be carried along with the Wave+ in the same sheath without taking up much more space (as opposed to the Spirit X requiring an entirely separate tool to utilized a bit set). Lastly, although the Wave+ is more complex due to the two bit exchangers, the removable parts are also sold as accessories meaning that the mulitool itself doesn't have to go through warranty if the only damage to the tool is either the bits or cutters.
In conclusion, I think that the Spirit X is a better buy if they are at a relatively similar price if you intend to use the tool as stock without any changes or use of accessories. If you don't plan on using the tool just as stock, I think the Wave+ is the better buy as it has features and accessories that allow users to really push the performance of the tool. There is also the Charge to consider which is essentially the Wave with more premium materials and build quality. I think the Charge can be a more favorable Leatherman comparison as there are more variations of it that can better suit the buyer's taste as opposed to the more limited options of Victorinox multitools.
PS: A Swisstool Spirit X is definitely a purchase for consideration despite me already having two Waves and a Supertool 300 for pliers-based multitools.
How do you compare the Supertool 300 to these two? What space does the Supertool occupy? Why would one choose to go with that one over the two in this video? I just ordered a Supertool but I’m looking at these two now as well
@@roaring_angels If you like the Leatherman Rebar, then you'll probably like the Supertool 300 as a bigger version of it. Leatherman tools are more industrial aesthetically and in feel. They are also possible to disassemble making them easier for mods or that.
I would mention that the Leatherman replaceable cutters are not only replaceable but a harder steel. I like being able to cut harder and thicker materials than the plier head steel could handle.
good point although LM was already a clear winner on cutters and knife 👍
I've carried an original Spirit every day on by belt for many years and it has seen a lot of hard use around the farm and shop. (The original has a serrated sheepsfoot blade instead of the smooth drop point on the X.) In spite of its rough life it is still in perfect condition and still has a precision feel. The build quality and fit-and-finish is just vastly superior to any other multitool I've ever handled. Literally my only complaint with it is that I wish the scissors were a bit longer, especially since there is wasted space in the tool that would allow for another quarter inch of blade length. But, other than that I believe it is the perfect EDC multitool.
Great feedback 👍
Awesome tools both. Leatherman for U.S. and Vic for European users mainly for quarantee reasons.
5:44 "I wouldn't be knocking on the door" - I totally agree - it doesn't make one cool to egregiously abuse a warranty, it just makes one a liar - if you used the sh-t out of a tool for 25 years, you simply exhausted the value. Buy another one, and support companies that make good quality, instead of harming them or stealing value from them.
I agree. But I will say, in my experience I have my dads old Vic knife and one day after cutting up some boxes the main blade did not return back fully into the handle. Vic repaired the knife, and they even ask if it has sentimental value, which it does. I got the knife back with the blade working properly in addition to a clean, oil and sharpen. It was nearly a new knife again. It’s nice to have them support a product that’s been around for over 30 years, which failed not through abuse but just wear and a small but niggling malfunction was easily fixed by them.
great story 👍
yes 👍
I have both and while they are both great tools, the Wave is insanely more useful. Here's why:
Spirit X
+ More comfortable to hold when closed
+ Satisfying clicks when opened and closed
+ Awl and chisel. Though I never used them, I can understand why they are good to have
+ Rust resistant
- File is worse than the Wave's. Not really worse, but certainly not as amazing as the diamond coated one on the Wave
- Blade is not one handed
- Scissors really suck. Really, I have no idea why they are inferior than those on the 91mm SAK's.
- Steel not as tough as LM's
Now the Wave+
+ Pliers open wider than the SpiritX
+ Diamond coated file
+ Better scissors
+ One handed operation. This is insanely useful in a lot of situations. You will be happy you got this feature.
+ Serrated blade is exceptional in some cases. And good to have overall, if people don't use it - that's because they don't know where it shines.
+ Yes, Replaceable wire cutters
+ Bit drivers. Surprised no one mentions it - Leathearman bits are replaceable and you can carry extra if need be. A sole fixed philips on the Vic is just sooo 20th century and unacceptable.
+ Also you get tiny bits for electronics.
+ Adjustable tightness on hinges. Once Vic gets wobbly - its a wobbly Vic, Wave - you can tighten up with its own bits.
+ 8inch ruler with 2 measurement units
+ Pocket clip
+ Cheaper Price
- Heavier (8.5oz vs 7.4oz), but also shorter in length compared to the SpiritX
- Some tools are not on the outside
- Vulnerable to rust, though mine never had it
TLDR: As much as I love the Vic, the Wave is a better tool in my opinion.
I’ve got both of these tools. The Victorinox is a really good tool for all the reasons you’ve stated. In the real world though I find the steel the tools are made from isn’t as hard and as tough as the leathermans and once you damage the wire cutters on the Victorinox they’re useless until you send it away for repair. Also the ratchet tool you can get for the Victorinox seems like a good idea but it’s bulky and not as easy to carry with the tool. With the Leatherman I carry spare wire cutter blades, in case they get damaged, with the extra tool bits you can get to swop out with the driver bits. That strip of extra tool bits fits in the pouch behind the Leatherman. Maybe that’s why the Leatherman pouch is slightly bigger. Lastly I’ve broken the chisel and actually bent the saw blade on the Victorinox. I’ve never broken any of the tools on the Leatherman. Also I wear glasses and if I’m out camping or just away from home for periods of time the jewellers screwdriver has come in really handy on a few occasions.
Whilst the Victorinox is a lovely tool, for me at least, the Leatherman is superior and more reliable especially when you’re out in the back of beyond.
great feedback - all makes sense when you start adding bits and heavy use 👍
Isn’t the flap on the leatherman pouch longer so you can still close the pouch and store the leatherman with pliers open? It’s what the little metal grommet hole is for. The tip of the pliers fits in there. I’ve had all my waves lost or stolen over the years… so I can’t try it out but that’s what I remember.
Hi Erik. If the pliers are open the handles won't fit in the pouch!
Some of the metals on the leatherman seem to me are too soft. But I carried a leatherman tool while in the Marines and it never let me down.
Being able to add a pocket clip to the wave (charge) is really what sets it apart as i pocket carry.
Add to that the one handed knife opening and it's a clear choice for me.
As a bonus though I'd like to add that the mini screw driver is great for reset buttons on routers and such. Also the saws are different, but a thinner saw usually can cut faster..
Also also the bit kits are hardly comparable in bulkiness, but i have seen mods where people shiv down one of their bits to make it into an awl, probably could sharpen a flat head for a chisel too easily enough if you wanted that tool..
Great feedback Jamie - thanks for sharing this 👍
Great review!
From Leatherman only Surge can compete with SwissTool. It is better because of the t shank saws one can buy for it but inferior scissors. I chose Surge because is one hand open blades. I added small zipties to the thumbholes.
Surge vs Swisstool X coming soon.....
@@JonGadget please consider to talk about the angle needed to sharpen the plain blade of Surge. imo Victorinox blades can be razor sharpened very easy and very fast.
@@randomescu👍 I'll look at that
thanks for such a detailed comparison. I'm weird (am I? lol), I just don't think of Victorinox for anything other than the "folding pocket knife" style vs a "multitool" like something from Leatherman. Probably narrow-minded of me >_>
But some of those tools the Spirit X has that the Wave+ doesn't are certainly intriguing... but at this point, with my bits and bit driver I'm kinda married to Leatherman, too.
I have a Leatherman Wave and the Swiss Spirit. I prefer the Swiss Spirit.
Thank you for an excellent and clear
comparison.
you're welcome 👍
now i want both. great review
Great 👍🏻 review Jon , yeah another tough decision to make lol , I prefer the wave in this particular comparison. 😎very handy tools 🛠 both. Thanks for the review. What’s your opinion on the leatherman charge tti with upgraded steel main blade ?
Thanks Marc. TTi is pricey but great if you can afford it. If size and weight is not a problem the Surge is also great option in terms of overall tool selection (although steel bog standard).
@@JonGadget thanks 😊 Jon
Well, as you mentioned, weapon laws forbid the Leatherman in Germany to be carried in public, so the Spirit X is the only everyday carry option without the risk of confiscated tools and fines. But luckily, the better build quality doesn't make it a hard pill to swallow :)
agree - it's a great option
You can carry the Leatherman 2H Wave+ version of the Wave completely legally in Germany.
I wasn't aware of any quality issues with Leatherman tools?
@@dc76384 There is no quality issues with LM. Victorinox is just a more premium product and that is also reflected in the price. And for me personally, I like using locally made products as I live in Germany.
Really?What makes Leatherman illegal to be carried in public?
Awesome video. Well explained. It would be very helpful if you could do a comparison between Victorinox spirit and Victorinox Swiss tool. I am stuck deciding between the two for buying a Multitool for myself.
Thank you for the kind comments. Swisstool and Surge comparison in the works - that should complete the circle 👍
GREAT REVIEW. I bought a new Leatherman Wave+ recently, it is my very first Leatherman, but Not my first Multi tool. I've carried a SOG Powerlock for the last 15 years, without a problem. I only switched to the Leatherman, because the SOG is so hard to get to the rest of tools. I Like the Wave+, and I 100% agree with every detail you mentioned about it. The scissors feel like a toy, even next to my Victorinox Huntsman, or Climber. Unless you want to spend another 25 dollars or so on the tools for the driver, plus a way to carry them, the driver is exactly the way you say. The Leatherman is indeed Heavy, you never forget it's on your belt. Mine was very stiff when I got it, and for the first week, I just kept working it to get the tools smoother, but it still hasn't happened. You definitely have to watch for pinching your finger with it also. I Love the sound of the tools as they snap open and shut on the Spirit X, they just sound precision. Leatherman has a "Lock" here in the U.S. because you can walk into almost any store, and find them for sale. Victorinox, about the only thing you will see are maybe a few knives, and I believe that's where Victorinox pales. If I could have walked into my local Home Depot, and bought the Spirit X, like I did my. Leatherman Wave+, I would have come home with the Victorinox. It's just hard for me to wait for 4,5, or 6 days for something to arrive by parcel, when I can walk in and buy it.
I really wish Victorinox would bump up the places to purchase their product in the U.S.. Even using their "Places to buy" map, most every place listed is only a place that you order from, other then a few Classic SD, or Tinker knives... I WILL buy the Spirit X !!!!!!! I'd even Gladly trade my New Wave+ for one, but I don't think I'd get any takers. Thanks Again, Great Review......
Thanks for the detailed feedback Sonny. Really interesting to get your view here. May be Victorinox will be watching? Thanks again for taking the time. I am sure others will also benefit from reading your comment 👍
Hi John, an excellent review as always! I recently bought the Vic spirit MX clip and it seems to have a little play on the pliers (about 0.5-1mm) and I was wondering if that is normal. Does yours have any play?
That's the 4th item I've bought based on your reviews!
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Good comparison. I generally agree with you with a couple of caveats.
I don’t think the bit kit of the Victorinox is comparable. I’ve tried to carry the ratchet set with one and it’s much more bulky and heavy than simply adding the Leatherman bits.
On quality, I do agree that while the QC on Victorinox is extraordinarily good they do have up issues. I had to send two Spirit X’s back because the awl and/or chisel lock failed. I’ve never had that happen with the tools on the Charge. (I do note that Leatherman had issues with the blade on the Signal however.)
I alternate between them for carry, but for me neither one is better than the other. For urban use I prefer the Spirit X but prefer the Wave for outdoor use. I have a dedicated folder but love the serrated blade for cutting rope or straps.
Again, great comparison, I simply don’t think one is better than the other. As always with tools, just buy both! 😁
Thanks for the feedback Dale, both are great tools and it is really down to what people need in terms of functionality - no losers, just winners. The Surge is my go-to at the moment 😊
I had the original swiss tool, the wave and now the Surge. I hate to use bits with my surge, super uncomfortable. I will move to spirit X I guess.
@@timurhant469 just curious, what do you find uncomfortable about using the bits with the Surge?
@@dalecarr5445 It's unwieldy and you can't really put enough force in it. I started to use a bike (cycling) multitool just for the torx and hex tools. Not worth the weight for me
Especially at 90 degree angle, super hard to use as a screwdriver or hex/torx key.
The Vic saw could be used as an outstanding stand in for a serrated blade.
I am a long time Leather wave and SAK handyman user the two compliment each other perfectly I also have the bit kit and bit extender as well.. I use my wave in areas where the stoutness is king.. And thats where for me the Wave wins, I have use my wave all over the world either on Deployements when in the forces or when out and about on outdorr activities, I have even used the tiny screw driver to help fix radios etc(it is far more useful than you think), I have a SAK's handyman for when just out and about where I have no reasonable excuse(AM UK) to carry my Wave and I also carry the SAK's as an extra even when I have my Wave... The two together with the bit kits etc give me a tool kit for all my needs.. I tried to switch to the Spirit X but I just felt the Stoutness of the Wave+ gave me a sense of confidence when using it and as I have used a Wave(then upgraded to the +) for around 11 years it has never failed me. I prefered the feel of the Wave in my hands when using the cutting blades and Saw, It just felt comfortable if I was using it for a long period when compared with the spirit X. Either way it is a personal choice Me I prefer my Wave+ And Handyman Combo.... Though the Spirit X was great and I would be more than happy if thats all I had...
Great feedback 😊 Thanks for sharing, really good to hear. There is no right or wrong here both tools are great and ultimately what someone chooses to carry depends on the user and the use, and what's right for them is right 👍
@@JonGadget I agree with you, No right or wrongs, They are both fantastic, But here's food for thought for you.. When you compare the blades of the two Tools would you Baton down on the SAK's or the Wave+'s Blade to split wood??? I know you can on the SAK,s(have done it a few times on my Handyman) But which would you choose?? THANK YOU for your video by the way... This was the first one I watched and now I have to binge what the rest as this one was fantastic and balanced, so much better than 99% of similar reviewers out there.....
@@hudsonbear5038 thanks for the kind comments on the channel which is much appreciated. To answer your question, in that use case I would pick the Wave - that blade is much more substantial 👍
I have the Wave and both Swisstool and Spirit X. If I had to keep onlyone, it would be the Wave, bit kit, and ratchet driver extender, everyday. It's gotten me through so many odd jobs and saved me many occasions. The piers, scissors, file, micro driver, blade, bits, everything does the job! I simply trust it to have what I need in a pinch. Reliable!
That was an excellent comparison but you missed a tool on the chisel of the victorinox which is called an isolation length cutter and it also has 2 lanyard rings, one which can be used as a lanyard and the other for the cockscrew bottle opener accessory. I'd give it to the victorinox as as well as it is much stronger and of premium quality. Also the wood saw on this thing can almost go through a tree. Not a typical wood saw I can say this much.
Hi, my favourite two. I just can't pick one over the other. I keep going from one to the other. Especially since I have changed the small glasses bit exchanger for the small flat screwdriver, thanks to you. For my use they are pretty even now. Definitely Victorinox have better finish quality, more like gentleman's tool. Leatherman is more rough around the edges, looks a bit tougher for me at least. But both are excellent tools and they will get you out from a tough situation, it is personal choice at the end. If you can't choose like me, get both😁👍. Excellent review my friend, can't wait to see Surge vs Swisstool. I have got the Swisstool by the way, it is big and heavy 😁😁.
Take care my friend.
Hi 😊 I hope you are well. Thanks for the feedback as always. Yes, I'm with you on all points - just working on swisstool vs surge now so hope to have something soon.
Unfortunately ALL of the Victorimox Swiss tools have handle alignments issues and they simply don’t line up! Spirit is a bit better but still not perfect! I have been looking for years to find one that has perfect alignment but no luck yet! Thanks for the video
Wave gen 2 so I’ll use it.
Great review thanks. I've had both tools for 10+ years. I've found the Spirit to be a 'nicer' tool with great feel and aesthetics, however when considering, and using, them as 'tools', the Leatherman wins hands down, especially in durability (screwed pivots much better than rivets).
Over time I've found the Leatherman saw to be far superior (the Victorinox saw is too wide and inefficient at cutting) and also the Vic scissors are (surprisingly) not great performers. Mostly though, the Leatherman has two brute, effective OHO knives that excel in 'real world' duties.
Victorinox for form, Leatherman for function.
The amount of times I have used my wave to spilt wood hitting the spine of the blades with a batonis impossible to count... I know you can do the same on SAK's but I always cringe and expect them to break, where as the wave I never give a second though. Same with prolonge cutting or sawing with a wave it is just so comfortable when compared to the spirit x(had one but got rid of it).. The beefiness of the Wave is what wins hands down for me.... Love SAK's tools and love my Handyman but when it comes to hard/heavy work I always default to my Wave.. I see my Wave+ as a heavy duty tool and SAK,s as a general tool...
Thanks for the comment Simon - good to hear.
Good to hear - so for you LM heavy duty and Vic for lighter duty
@@JonGadget Hi Jon. Yes, but it's a bit of a complicated experience. When carrying a multi tool for 'just in case', it's the Victorinox. When I am likely to need it, the Leatherman. However, when I am likely to need a multi tool, I tend to use 'actual' tools that I will have on hand for whatever task. For example I carry tools in my car, if biking I have a bike specific tool. If hiking - I don't really need tools...
So there is the the conundrum: I have found the Wave to be the better tool, but carry the Spirit more often.
[In practice, I have found I don't really need pliers. I actually use one handle off the Wave (which can be done thanks to the screws). I have customized this to what I really need - OHO knife, scissors, saw etc. Lightweight, strong and pocket clip-able.]
@@simonmaney3438 Thanks for the detail Simon - really interesting to get your feedback on the use 👍
If I can’t have a locking blade knife forget it . We are allowed to have locking blades in Canada . But then again we live in big country
Great vid! I have both but carry the Victorinox more. Do you keep yours in a kit, I have not seen it used before.
I keep it in original sheath and carry on belt when needed. Kits usually focus in keeping weight down when expecting to carry over any time or distance.
If you enjoy painful blood blisters than the wave is the tool for you, personally after 3 blood blisters within 2 weeks I was done with it.
Great detailed review. I would carry either one.
Both are great 👍
Nice to play with it a little. Than put it in a drawer forever and if there is something to do, we use a 1$ screwdriver or 5$ pliers. The only thing I use is the victorinox mini scissor on the keying to cut finger nails often. But some Airports not allow it and than have to throw it away.
I recently broke the blade of my Leatherman Wave after 21 years of use.I sent it off for repair and received "free of charge" a brand new Wave+ Fantastic service and proof of the 25 year guarantee.
You get your old one also back? After 21 years i would have much memories with this tool, i would not give it away.
Great video as always but no replaceable cutters and no replaceable bits - sorry Jon but, whilst I love Victorinox Swiss Army Knifes and own quite a few, the Victorinox Spirit is absolutely no match for my trusty Leatherman Wave +
Have Spirit X Plus with cerated blade for more than 7 years, using it every day for work. And no problem with velcro for all this time
I own the Bibury multi tool that's about as big as the surge. And I own a wave+.
My hand always wants the larger Bibury, even though my brain knows that the wave is better. I have never had the Victorinox in hand, but I have several eBay Victorinox knife rescues running around the house.
👍 thanks for sharing