How To Remove A Duramax Engine

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  • @sheepdogs2186
    @sheepdogs2186 4 роки тому +31

    Thats my old truck and I sure miss ol Bess. She pulled a gooseneck her whole life and 15,000 lbs was nothing for her to tackle. Best truck anyone could ask for. Glad shes gonna live on.

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +7

      Can you email me? joshua.albrecht2@gmail.com thanks 🙏

    • @mrs.truckmaster5898
      @mrs.truckmaster5898 4 роки тому +4

      So cool to hear from you! I’m definitely excited to have the LB7! ❤️ Please email Josh so we can get more info and details on some things. Thanks again for reaching out! I’ll take good care of my “new to me” Duramax. 😊

  • @courtcarver1008
    @courtcarver1008 4 роки тому +41

    You are a godsend for us average diesel enthusiasts! Love all your videos been watching for a long time

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks 🙏

    • @Gchupp
      @Gchupp 4 роки тому +2

      Yeah somehow they've got me intrested in all this and I'm a Ford guy lol

  • @FUNNYFIGHTER001
    @FUNNYFIGHTER001 3 місяці тому +2

    From the dialog to the technique you to can tell a tech from a good ole boy. Keep moving I appreciate the video

  • @chasepatesel7118
    @chasepatesel7118 4 роки тому +12

    Brother you legit have the BEST duramax content...I watch your videos faithfully..just wanted to say that we appreciate the time and hardwork you put into your channel and content..keep up the good work man

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +4

      I can’t thank you enough for the encouragement

  • @ourwaytravels2021
    @ourwaytravels2021 3 роки тому +8

    I want to put a big thank you out here for you and I have never played with an engine this large and it's been 20 years since I did any engine removal. Watching your video allowed me to take my time and pull my Duramax out painlessly so thank you very much Truck Master your tutorials and content are top notch 👍👍👍

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  3 роки тому +2

      Thanks Chris

    • @aaroncornelius1449
      @aaroncornelius1449 3 роки тому +1

      That's my deal too. I haven't pulled and rebuilt an engine since 2001. It was a gas engine, and much less complicated. I'm worried about all the electrical connections and losing fasteners. This video gave me courage, thanks bro. Quick question, can I pull the engine without discharging the a/c?

    • @antoniosamudio3056
      @antoniosamudio3056 3 роки тому

      @@aaroncornelius1449 if it's a duramax no you have to pull the ac condenser out

  • @dpowerz518
    @dpowerz518 4 роки тому +6

    You literally opened my eyes in how easy it is to remove a duramax from a Chevy! I always thought it was more complicated!!

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +1

      It’s so easy

    • @f3arful
      @f3arful 3 роки тому +2

      Laughable if you call this easy. Nothing is easy this is definitely more complicated than your average pull none the less watching it seems painless doing it in reality is painful.

    • @rickydavis5541
      @rickydavis5541 Рік тому +1

      It is you need right tools to do it which most people don’t have or have brains not everyone is a mechanic and it shows! lol

  • @phillipgorneault
    @phillipgorneault Рік тому +2

    Doing this now to my sons Lly. Went even further and removed hood and fenders. Thanks for the video.

  • @Springfield-1903
    @Springfield-1903 4 роки тому +19

    That Duramax "starter" looks exactly like the alternator in my Duramax 😉
    Nice video!

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +2

      🤦‍♂️ my bad

    • @Springfield-1903
      @Springfield-1903 4 роки тому +1

      @@TruckMaster
      Whew! Thanks for not taking offense because my comment was mainly intended to boost your video comments and I certainly always hit the thumbs up! It also shows that I was paying close attention to the details and goes to prove my interest. Thanks for taking the extra time required to make these videos! I can't wait for the next notification that you've uploaded a new video 😎
      Keep on truck mastering!

    • @stanlojewski6761
      @stanlojewski6761 4 роки тому

      Lol

    • @byronbilly1969
      @byronbilly1969 6 місяців тому +1

      To be fair it is where the electric starts from 🤣

  • @thegreatalberta9189
    @thegreatalberta9189 4 роки тому +4

    There is no gaskets for the oil pans. It’s just silicone. I just got my lmm running again just before Christmas. I rebuilt my engine completely. New everything. And now I’m starting a LBZ swap/build for a customer at work. Wicked video man your the duramax channel to watch for the diy guys.

  • @jsburke5
    @jsburke5 3 роки тому +3

    your engine will slide off those dowels much easier if you support the position of the transmission with a floor jack and 2X4, it'll go back together much easier too..

  • @balisongpro94
    @balisongpro94 2 роки тому +2

    I’ve been watching your videos assisting in my lb7 for years and I love your channel!

  • @fbh31118
    @fbh31118 3 роки тому +6

    Looks like this is in my near future for my family. We just shelled our LLY and have no way of purchasing a different truck. Great information Josh. Sure hope we can tackle it.

  • @gabrielthomas1394
    @gabrielthomas1394 4 роки тому +3

    Bs @truckmaster you've done enough for this country love your stuff man thank you for your service hats off to you man

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the awesome feedback

  • @craigcottle3569
    @craigcottle3569 8 місяців тому +1

    Another great video!! I would love to see how you hook up the engine to an engine stand

  • @poorwhiteboy6521
    @poorwhiteboy6521 Рік тому +1

    Your a luck guy. You seem to have a good women to support what you do. Enjoy and be good to her in return. Treat her good 👍 keep up the videos

  • @dannyreed1632
    @dannyreed1632 3 роки тому +2

    Awesome video! I just bought a 2006 Silverado 2500 HD with a Duramax that needs a head gasket. This video saved me tons of time and probably a lot of swearing!

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  3 роки тому

      Thanks 👍

    • @f3arful
      @f3arful 3 роки тому

      You can do the head gasket with the motor in the truck.

  • @jerhalco
    @jerhalco 4 роки тому +2

    Good stuff, I’ll never do it but like your ability. I’ve a 2016 Chevy dually, Duramax that pulls a 500 bushel wagon every fall. Great truck!!!

  • @johncasor9698
    @johncasor9698 2 роки тому

    the heart is the injection pump :) i had to repair and service those N14 Cummins and L88 and 855 cummins, that N14 was a monster of a engine...

  • @Gamebrotech
    @Gamebrotech 2 роки тому +2

    Thank God for your video, I watched it like 20 times

  • @ChazzleDazzleVideos
    @ChazzleDazzleVideos 2 роки тому

    I plan on doing my rebuilds on Trans and engine eventually once the power I have to them ends up being too much and have done engine swaps on other vehicles but again helpful so thanks again all of your videos are great for explanations only sad thing is my mom sold the engine hoist after my dad passed but that's cool u want to get a full on lift and setup for my workshop anyways.

  • @Max-nh3gp
    @Max-nh3gp 3 роки тому +1

    Josh in the Garash nice job man

  • @gustavocorrea202
    @gustavocorrea202 4 роки тому +4

    I been waiting for the video all day!!

  • @rpwolfe72
    @rpwolfe72 2 роки тому

    I wish I was doing this in my garage! In a plastic carport/tent and it's about 7 degrees outside today. Thanks for the great video. Wish me luck (I'm gonna need it)

  • @joshmaynard8231
    @joshmaynard8231 4 роки тому +2

    Great video that two piece oil pan is a crazy set up though.

  • @joshmiller8663
    @joshmiller8663 3 роки тому +1

    Josh been watching your channel for a while now it's awesome how much you include your wife in your video's. Wish I could be at the truck meet at Ryan's diesel service. I'll be waiting for the video's love my LB7.

  • @glencamblin
    @glencamblin Рік тому +1

    Excellent video. Thx for posting.

  • @patwregan
    @patwregan 4 роки тому +3

    nice work pulling that Duramax out!- while its out what hard to get to wear items are you replacing??

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +2

      I’m still getting my list in order

  • @joser5193
    @joser5193 4 роки тому +2

    Great job 👍 tackling this on your own. Lots of great info.

  • @jamesherald3927
    @jamesherald3927 4 роки тому +3

    Great video Josh can't wait to see the wife max finished

  • @matthewgadeken1419
    @matthewgadeken1419 4 роки тому +3

    Great videos! Keep it up! It's also the alternator not the starter. No big deal though.

  • @RadDadisRad
    @RadDadisRad 4 роки тому +3

    This reminds me of when I went upgraded turbo on my 06 3500 in 07 and blew up my trans not too long after.

  • @cjhill726
    @cjhill726 4 роки тому +2

    Awesome to learn all this. Hopefully I dont have to do it to mine anytime soon though.

  • @jacobking7329
    @jacobking7329 4 роки тому +4

    Loving this series great stuff man its awesome you can work with your wife too !!

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks Jacob

    • @jeffgriffith6240
      @jeffgriffith6240 4 роки тому

      It awesome you have a wife that takes an interest it what you do and wants to jump right in and work beside you on it. Your a lucky man. Not all wives are willing to do that.

  • @josephperez972
    @josephperez972 2 роки тому

    I was watching this after removing the T case in 105 degree heat trying to figure out how I was going to pick the engine. When I seen how it was chained up I spit my beer up laughed and said that’s the solution I was looking for

  • @richardanthony3788
    @richardanthony3788 4 роки тому

    great job i have learned a lot from watching your channel im doing this this summer thanks for all the great videos

  • @sweed7777
    @sweed7777 3 роки тому +1

    This has been a very helpful video. Thank you. But I just got to the part where I remove the flex plate bolts but my motor is seized. Can the motor be pulled with the torque converter still attached?

  • @duramaxcountryboy2107
    @duramaxcountryboy2107 4 роки тому

    Great video First part of the hart transplant complete 👍

  • @impetuousgratuity
    @impetuousgratuity 4 роки тому

    Perfect timing for this video! I'm pulling my LLY out pretty soon to fix the head gaskets and anything else that's worn out after 355K miles

    • @alabamaliving503
      @alabamaliving503 3 роки тому

      Did you do it?

    • @rickydavis5541
      @rickydavis5541 Рік тому

      Why it worn out at 355k on it I see them almost millions miles without any major issues! lol

    • @impetuousgratuity
      @impetuousgratuity Рік тому

      @@rickydavis5541 true. I replaced the head gaskets, water pump, and a bunch of rusty bolts, but not much else. It's been running like a champ ever since.

  • @cjhill726
    @cjhill726 4 роки тому +2

    Dang. You made that look SUPER easy.

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +2

      There really isn’t much to it honestly

    • @07STINKYBOY
      @07STINKYBOY 4 роки тому

      Cj Hill it is super easy

  • @Rocksolidbullys
    @Rocksolidbullys 4 роки тому +2

    Did this a few months ago. Couldn't believe how easy it was.

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +1

      I was just saying earlier that a ybridge install is harder 😂

    • @Rocksolidbullys
      @Rocksolidbullys 4 роки тому +1

      @@TruckMaster lol yup!

  • @dronesdirtbikeschannel2250
    @dronesdirtbikeschannel2250 4 роки тому

    Much respect brother. Love the videos. You enjoy the work. I enjoy your vids

  • @philmeyrick3363
    @philmeyrick3363 Рік тому

    Great video. I'm doing an LB7 to LBZ swap on my 2004 Silverado. Wondering if it's possible to pull the engine, trans and transfer case all together? New LBZ was built by Jereme at Xcalibur Diesel Performance. LB7 pistons, alternate firing stage 1 cam, Wagler oil pump, ARP everything etc etc.

  • @Triumph421
    @Triumph421 4 роки тому

    The starter alternator thing lol. I know what u meant josh great vid keep it up.

  • @avenged06x
    @avenged06x 4 роки тому +3

    Love the content bro. Keep up the hard work! 💪🇺🇲

  • @alvaropistola6850
    @alvaropistola6850 3 роки тому +1

    Dam u do a great job with detail so cool u wife interested in the motor and likes duramax I give u two thumbs up buddy

  • @wesleymadsen4357
    @wesleymadsen4357 4 роки тому +2

    Sunnoco should give you free fuel for life for that poster ad

  • @latunguley
    @latunguley 2 роки тому

    She is so pretty! And Yes your wife Too! LOL Thanks i can not understand why every swinging sausage in the valley wants to remove my cab for this process??

  • @DormantIdeasNIQ
    @DormantIdeasNIQ 3 роки тому

    my LGH(detuned LML) in my 4500 Express(van) SHUTTLE-BUS preT T y much looks like this monster, and after dieselducating myself with all these videos, I am sure the beast has the CP4 engine-assassinating fuel pump... what a PHCKNG draaaag! ...and in a van body(front) forget getting to all this stuff easily... it's a nightmare of mechanic's rage! It tried talking sweet to her, but she just do(es)n't give a screw... so I use my best grinding grudge language.
    My neighbours are constantly calling out: '...are you ok, do we need to call the paramedics...'

  • @importantwill3224
    @importantwill3224 2 роки тому

    I just broke a crankshaft in my 2012 LML and im making the decision to remove my engine my self probably this weekend

  • @jeffmathus4431
    @jeffmathus4431 4 роки тому +2

    Make sure while you have it out to key the cam and crank

  • @Richmasse27
    @Richmasse27 6 місяців тому

    My lbz headgaskets blew, should i take the motor out or take off the cab? Im also thinking about swapping it with an lbz with half of the mileage of mine and reselling the old one

  • @puzzlebow2158
    @puzzlebow2158 28 днів тому

    I have a lb7 with injector problems so I did injectors and it fired then stalled. As far as I know I need an engine because I bent a rod from leaking injector cups

  • @cholder1339
    @cholder1339 4 роки тому

    Replace the hole oil pan with PPE or something Equal . It gets rid of the last quart of leftover oil just setting in your pan you can never get out . 👍👍😉

  • @brendanodonnell9
    @brendanodonnell9 Рік тому

    Hello I have a question about the pcv lines going to and leaving the alternator bracket on the lb7 duramax that you r working on

  • @brandonmartz7934
    @brandonmartz7934 Рік тому

    Josh so does the oil pan clear the metal cross bar underneath

  • @mmmejias18
    @mmmejias18 2 роки тому

    Hey bro, minute 15:34, there is a coolant hose I guess covered with a silver heat protection that has a orange or red thing right where it connects with the engine, you can see it unplugged there. My Duramax is leaking from that spot, do you know what's the name of it? Thanks

  • @rickymitchell7586
    @rickymitchell7586 4 роки тому

    Thank you for that, definitely made it look easy. Nice job

  • @johnthompson5409
    @johnthompson5409 2 години тому

    Right now I'm recovering from surgery and Soon I will be placing a LLY in a 2009 Chevey that came without the original LMM Trying to gather and make this happen for an old friend of mine who was promised to have it done 3 years ago by a bunch of thieves who sold him the original turbos and come to find out the turbos were still in the engines he had purchased. I couldn't let this happen to my friend so I came out of retirement to help.

  • @miken8001
    @miken8001 4 роки тому

    Fantastic Super-Duper Video !!!!! Keep them coming .

  • @ramsandrzr3706
    @ramsandrzr3706 4 роки тому +1

    This is a great channel always awesome content better and better.

  • @brendenmanahan1737
    @brendenmanahan1737 Місяць тому

    How are you getting at the top bellhousing bolts while on the ground? The video you added in the description shows you doing it on a hoist 6 feet in the air after removing driveshafts and everything. I cant get leverage from underneath or through the inner fender

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  Місяць тому +1

      Do it from the top of the engine bay I usually lay on a topside creeper. It’s a pain but with the combination of a ratchet wrenches and sockets you can get it

    • @brendenmanahan1737
      @brendenmanahan1737 Місяць тому

      @@TruckMaster Right on thank you. The video was perfect for absolutely everything else

  • @sethholsopple3802
    @sethholsopple3802 4 роки тому

    Great video man loveing every minute!

  • @tomvarnado8156
    @tomvarnado8156 4 роки тому +1

    awesome video.really enjoyed this one.

  • @silvestresantana1170
    @silvestresantana1170 Рік тому +1

    Love it 🇺🇸🙏🏽 very helpful

  • @35057
    @35057 4 роки тому +3

    That fan clutch trick works like a charm. Total lifesaver lol. Beats swearing at it and buying a tool I won’t use often lol.
    And I’m surprised you didn’t take the fenders off first thing. Beats working around them,
    “Engine hoist: a device for testing the tinsel strength of everything you forgot to disconnect.” 😂😂
    Mind as well do the down pipe and as much as you can while it’s out!

    • @mrmotofy
      @mrmotofy 4 роки тому

      Air hammer with a chisel bit zips em right off, sorta like the prybar

  • @slipin
    @slipin 4 роки тому

    What rating is the rating on the hoist? I snapped my crank looking for a used engine now . Great video by the way thanks

  • @michaelwise9656
    @michaelwise9656 3 роки тому

    Where can I get a good set of reman injectors for my 04 LB7? Thanks buddy love the videos

  • @jessereed550
    @jessereed550 4 роки тому +1

    truck max by wife builder great videos she gonna get good work in on her truck she needs her own tool box pink that's her garage to teach her everything you know thanks for your service great fun on your build watch when I can

  • @rjdurtymax
    @rjdurtymax 2 роки тому

    I have a tuner on my LB7 do I need to uninstall it before I put in a different LB7 engine without swapping the ECM and TCM?

  • @markritchiejr4068
    @markritchiejr4068 2 роки тому

    I want learn motor durmax and transmission too. I own my truck 2003 Chevy Silverado 2500 hd LT need crew cab and bed box too. I hate rust body.

  • @griffinpierce7691
    @griffinpierce7691 4 роки тому +3

    I bought an expensive fancy metal fuel line disconnect tool and those cheap plastic ones work ten times better

  • @cjhill726
    @cjhill726 4 роки тому +7

    I was thinking earlier today and I thought that mis max would be a cool name too since it mis matched. Lol

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +1

      Great name

    • @cawhorses
      @cawhorses 4 роки тому

      It's a great name, I'd suggest making it unique in some way. Kelsie Epp has been using Miss Maxx for years and I think mis max is a little too similar.

    • @cjhill726
      @cjhill726 4 роки тому +1

      @@cawhorses Right on I'm not sure who that is. But okay

    • @raymondcoggins297
      @raymondcoggins297 4 роки тому

      Cool video getting closer

    • @cjhill726
      @cjhill726 4 роки тому +1

      @@cawhorses Okay so I looked into this girl. I will try to be more unique the next time I think of a name for something. Since people call this girl miss maxx (not her truck) and I said a trucks name could be mis max. Hell call it mis matched then or better yet make up your own alien lauguage so nobody else ever says those words first. Don't want to be copying anyone now. Got to keep it your own. (Even though it had zero to do with some little blonde girl that races.

  • @dieselorchestra4342
    @dieselorchestra4342 2 роки тому

    Where did you get that green tray that you put all the bolts inc

  • @bobsteve2093
    @bobsteve2093 4 роки тому +3

    Get pink piping for the lb7

  • @johntolley733
    @johntolley733 2 роки тому

    I have a 2007 duramax and have a oil leak up from in the same spot it looks like as yours here. at 5:35. But im not planning on pulling the motor and cant really tell where the leak is actually at. Was that from the oil pan or where is that wet oil from? This is my first duramax and im afraid of messing something up digging into it. Just wondering if you could tell me where to start. im hoping its just the oil pan? Thanks for any insight on this.

  • @terryturk6813
    @terryturk6813 4 роки тому +1

    Nice new jacket

  • @seanvaught8249
    @seanvaught8249 3 роки тому

    Hey hey what you know about low oil pressure warning flashing on then off when accelerating from a stop?

  • @williamtips4900
    @williamtips4900 3 роки тому

    Hey buddy I have a question about my LMM but I dont know if you could answer me?

  • @xtrodinaryduramax8010
    @xtrodinaryduramax8010 4 роки тому

    Do you plan on putting a downpipe and the passenger side up pipe on while the engine is out?

  • @Pinnaclewindowcleaning
    @Pinnaclewindowcleaning 4 роки тому

    I don’t even have a Duramax but I watched the whole thing

  • @Shellster5
    @Shellster5 10 місяців тому

    Could u send me the video of the trans unbolting from the block. While is in the engine bay

  • @danielalamo2075
    @danielalamo2075 3 роки тому

    Why swap in this model engine for the lly?? I'm in califuckya and you can't clean the windows and stay smog legal. Just asking. Our 2004 lly has over 335,000 miles. Not sure what I should do for a reliable truck...rebuild, engine swap or get something newer. My wife hauls 4H kids and her riding group (sometimes 5 horses) and we haul our cattle.

  • @ismaeltorres8848
    @ismaeltorres8848 2 роки тому

    Hey truck master we’re do I buy a new lmm engine or we’re can I get a rebuild one

  • @matthewrobertmontez3587
    @matthewrobertmontez3587 4 роки тому +2

    Do u. Know how to fix a siverado 1500 because my grandma truck i need some learning of that but I worked on a durmax

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +1

      I do but I’m not to familiar with the 5.3

    • @matthewrobertmontez3587
      @matthewrobertmontez3587 4 роки тому +1

      Truck Master Yeah cause on my on the passenger side in the back wheel it it just feels like it’s very badly shaking and I just don’t know because I don’t even know what to do at that point because I mean everything else is looking good but I don’t know how to get all that in but I mean that would be nice so I can learn the stuff but like you said you’re not too familiar with it but I agree with you because I’m used to Duramax is not you know the five threes and my grandma has a Silverado so it’s gonna take me a while to learn

    • @Springfield-1903
      @Springfield-1903 4 роки тому +1

      @@matthewrobertmontez3587
      If the shaking is truly coming from the rear of the truck you shouldn't have to worry about the 5.3 engine at all. I'd check the universal joints in the driveline, then the wheel bearings and brakes. If those items are good you might have thrown a wheel weight and it's outta balance. 😎
      Good luck!

  • @brandtrud4251
    @brandtrud4251 2 роки тому

    Where you find your plastic tool for fuel line?

  • @turbogrin
    @turbogrin 3 роки тому +1

    spraying a little WD40 on the connectors help in the removal ! FYI

  • @bbruuse
    @bbruuse Рік тому +1

    Holy Lick Bro "You Rock" Thank You so much for you're videos;

  • @colyncaraway9877
    @colyncaraway9877 4 роки тому +4

    How are you liking your HSP setup?

    • @TruckMaster
      @TruckMaster  4 роки тому +2

      It’s the best decision I love it

  • @DTSK371
    @DTSK371 3 роки тому

    This is a great resource lol thanks

  • @kuruppujayantha8828
    @kuruppujayantha8828 9 місяців тому

    good work man

  • @jameslong5964
    @jameslong5964 3 роки тому

    Do you need to support the transmission while pulling the motor?

  • @expatconn7242
    @expatconn7242 4 роки тому +1

    You have a water pump vid on how to remove.. ty

  • @jarethboomgaarden7473
    @jarethboomgaarden7473 3 роки тому

    What brand of camera is it that you use in this?

  • @ericvortecmax
    @ericvortecmax 4 роки тому

    While it’s out you should do injectors/new gaskets and seals

  • @Busby513
    @Busby513 4 роки тому +1

    Awesome video !

  • @Hurst_Hemi
    @Hurst_Hemi Рік тому

    I love your content, that's why I dibs to it BUT, everything has to do about trucks. I'm not complaining (I'm a long-haul truck driver & love diesels). I have a 3500 Chevy Express cargo van and need input on removing the engine in it. Also any info on getting more HP & Torque out of it. I'm not rich and don't have full pockets. lol

    • @Hurst_Hemi
      @Hurst_Hemi Рік тому

      Subscribed..... Damn auto type!

  • @tripled8725
    @tripled8725 8 місяців тому

    What size are the ac compressor bolts??

  • @nicolasc3360
    @nicolasc3360 4 роки тому +4

    Love the vids

  • @coreykelley5158
    @coreykelley5158 4 роки тому

    Im about to do this i did the HG in my truck and my truck runs like crap so im about to pull it out and redo it

  • @erniehenshaw4065
    @erniehenshaw4065 4 роки тому +1

    Another great vid guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!