I know you guys will laugh. But I will take a DSLR and an F-mount lens any day. Nobody has convinced me yet why I need to switch to Z. Spare me. Shoot raw with good glass, have good low-light performance for focus and you are done.
Absolutely. The only two things I would like about mirrorless are the WYSIWYG viewfinder and the IBIS, but there are too many negatives in the current Nikon Z cameras to offset those two positives. I've said it before and I'll say it again...when they make a mirrorless that has the AF, handling and ergonomics, card slots and battery-grip option of a D500, then I'll be interested.
@@mayankbaunthiyal I tried the Z mount cameras and hated them. Compared to my D850, they feel like a huge step down. Everything about them feels less solid, less convenient and slow. I don't quite get the raving about evfs either. Personally, I'll take an ovf any day. There's a disconnect happening with an evf that takes all life out of photography. When they double the resolution and frame rate - maybe. Until then, just no.
Yep - D780 will be better around AF. It'll hopefully record video to both cards and have touch screen video AF. I'll only go to £1500 tho a few months after launch.
Nope, they haven't for a few years. The only F6s that are out there are NOS (New Old Stock). People may still buy them, but not in any numbers of significance.
The F6 is an amazing camera. If film were free, I would much rather shoot an F6 with Provia than my D600, 5D II and Z6 (which should arrive tomorrow omg)
Yes. I've been researching for this camera. And I'm disappointed with the new specifications. So earlier today I bid on and won a new lens that I need way more.
Getting nice lenses for existing D750 is far better choice. Because I never have found anything wrong with it. Ultimately photographer's creativity is the key for better photos.
@@TheShollen 24 Megapixels is enough for normal use and D750 has more value for money. We should not chase after crazy specs. We should buy excellent lenses and that would be better choice. Your decision is right here. The improvements in camera are just small increments, not worth upgrading to.
I’m loving the “evil” Tony look. You could do a mirrorless vs. DSLR video with Tony and “evil” Tony and Chelsea in the middle. Evil Tony could try to get Chelsea to go back to her D850.
I have a D850 and bought the D780. I am staying with with the F mount lenses and my old screw drive glass. I don't see the need to switch and lose money and get the Z and Z glass. I am not fond of having to add the F mount adapter to the Z either.
We have reached a point where most offerings today are 24MP or greater, 10 fps or greater, and low light to 64,000 ISO. That is simply amazing compared to recent history or film. We have essentially reached parity with hardware. What will differentiate cameras going forward is software like Eye AF, sky replacement, better compressed RAW, etc.
Great information! Keeping the F Mount very smart on Nikon's behalf. Your lighting looks really nice on your set, and the focus looks really tight and sharp!
As an avid Nikon user, I don’t feel satisfied with my 750/810’s when I see how far Sony has come. I would have loved to make the jump to mirrorless but Nikon’s Z series fell short for me. Lots of hype but no real world performance gains over the dslr’s. The old bodies are still getting the job done reliably just feeling a little left out in the tech department
It's even worse for Canon users, the Eos R was an unrefined, very experimental camera which is an overpriced downgrade from the 5D mark iv and the RP isn't really an option as an entry level 6D copy. I am really hoping that canon releases a pro mirrorless camera soon.
Agree. No real upgrade path for the 5D, 6D, 7D (APSC or not, it's the only sports camera below the 1DX flagship), and the roadmap continue to only show poor FPS rate and slow AF EOS R substitutes.
well, not much improvement in the Nikon World :(. Nikon should reconsider the right direction to go with huge changes, otherwise goes the Kodak way. Afraid, already no way back. See, Canon made the MILC transformation unique for the brand, Nikon just made it expensive. Strange to see Sony as former “outsider” made itself the best option for pro camera gear choose. Fuji is also a great choice, but expect more dramatic improvements in the eye AF and IQ department, also, update of pro f/1.4 lenses.
This is the camera I am gunning for, I have a collection if serious F-mount glass!! and that is what gets me the pictures :) I do fashion and events! the D780 will be good for this!
@@youknowwho9247 D850 have no eye autofocus. Personally for portrait shoots I use camera in liveview 90% of the time. If new nikon will have eye af this is all I need..
@@TomasRamoska Eye-af is certainly a helpful feature, but it's not prohibitive to not have it. I'd rather have all the other advantages of the D850 than go for a worse camera at the same price just for eye af.
No. Just can’t justify selling my D750 for a D780. I use my pop up flash as a commander to my 2 Nikon flashes and it works brilliantly. Will the D780 makes a better photographer? No. Will it give me better picture quality? No. Make me more photo sales? No. All questions you should ask yourself before forking out on a new camera.
Happy New Year... Thank you and your wife for making these videos I know a lot of time and work goes into them... It quickens the learning curve for us newbs exponentially .....
For me, this body saves me over $6000 in new lenses having to switch to Z mounts that do not work with my screw drives lenses. Plus the older lenses can be as little as 1/10 the cost of a new Z lenses, like an older $100 28-105 D macro f3.5-4.5 that is still a decent walk around lens. I also like looking through all glass not some video monitor, it puts me more in touch with the outside world and less lag.
I think at only 2% Z-Mount users, Nikon should focus R/D on their F-Mount DSLRs. I get that they're trying to go with the times and not miss the transition to mirrorless, but if you're whole customer Base wants to stick to DSLRs, then give them what they want. Sell what people wanna buy, that's more important than going with the times just for the sake of going with the times.
Completely on point. 99% of thjeir market is using F mount lenses. In this context, the D780 makes marketing sense. Mirrorless Fanboys will go apoplectic. As will UA-camrs with big Afros.
I would love to see a video about your new studio setup, I was thinking how good it looked and was surprised that you didn't shoot in 4k. Just goes to show that lighting and composition make more of a difference than resolution. Excellent job.
Love my d750. Only use it for stills so the d780 is not attractive since the improvements seem to be on the video side. Would consider a trade up if stabilization was part of the D780. Nikon could make money on me if they made new glass for the f-mount with the latest in coating and stabilization and fast focus motors.
Thank you Tony for that review! I absolutely love my nikon D750's! When the D780 comes out I am going to purchase some more D750'S because the price will probably drop!🙂
@@mayankbaunthiyal I might consider what you suggested however I need a camera with dual memory card slots! Nikon made a huge mistake with its mirrorless cameras not doing this!🤔
@@mayankbaunthiyal The Photoshoots I do I usually have to send one memory card to Los Angeles and the other one to New York! That's why the Mirrorless system at this time will not work for me! I do thank you for trying to help me!🙂
This is VERY intriguing. (a) My biggest complaint about my D750 and D810 is the autofocus on the LCD screen, so called "live view". I use that a LOT at events (or TRY to) and often would like to use that during studio shoots as well when on tripod, as a relief from constant use of viewfinder. Rear screen autofocus is nearly worthless on D750 and D810 and the jump to Z6 quality would be really, really tempting. (b) As for the center coverage for autofocus in the viewfinder, well I kind of like focus & recompose. I don't have to trick the autofocus system into focusing on what I want. and .... (c) The traditional DSLR autofocus systems are consistent in lower light, whereas mirrorless tend to be more hit or miss in my experience. I'm talking about consistency not capability in the specs. I suspect that this is in part because DSLR autofocus systems include cross type sensors whereas mirrorless ones, with possible exception of Olympus, require either all vertical or all horizontal lines to find focus. Good call Nikon, IMHO -- though this could diminish the trend to mirrorless, it holds onto the customer base by giving them options. ps: I don't understand the trend to eliminate popup flash. They are useful for times when you need just a little fill or a catchlight, AND, with modern sensors working so well at higher ISO's the little pop-up flash is in effect more powerful than it used to be, even that the light output has not changed.
The first time I used a camera with 2 slots was in Tanzania and I grew to need two SD card slots. Even if you just send RAW to one and JPG to the other, it makes it so much easier to share your photos online in the field without having to edit every night.
I prefer an optical view finder mainly because I am used to it. I am not a professional photographer but have been using Nikon cameras since the early 1980s when they were all 35mm. I am not sure many people want to change from DSLR to the Mirrorless cameras as it would mean a fairly complete overhaul of their existing setup. If you already have a lot of good lenses you would rather just have a new body that is designed to work with your existing lenses.
DeWitt Potts ahh, but seems there is a lot of inferences here that F mount / Nikon F glass in inferior crap and you can’t make an excellent image anymore with them because z glass and mirrorless tech and Sony iAF has rendered all other optical devices inoperable! 😂
@@grincadorna4753 What modern computer can't? I have no issues with 36mp raw from my D810, and my machine is only a 2nd Gen i5. You must have a C64 ;) -- kidding of course. I don't even have a next gen SSD Drive, but I do have 10Gbit to my RAID. We spend thousands on cameras, a 1tb NVME SSD isn't that expensive these days, edit then put on your slow storage.
I have a D7100, along with my Z6, and I love BOTH! I still use my D7100 for sports and wildlife, as the crop sensor gives me extra reach. If I don't need the extra reach, then I use my Z6, because the glass there is much better, plus I love the eye focus capability. One thing MOST of you are missing about "old glass + Z6" is FOCUS PEAKING!!! I LOVE that feature! It means that I can use my grandfather's old 50mm f1.4 Nikkor lens and get great, soft looks with smooth bokeh, and the focus peaking speeds up that process. Which is crucial in portraiture. So I DO use my Z6 with my older lenses from my grandfather and mom. (I'm a 3rd gen Nikon user, and my oldest son makes him a 4th gen Nikon user!) So we have glass from the 70's, 80's, and 2000's along with my new Z lens that we still use. So it's a little tough to move on to Sony, even though I am a big Sony fan! (My cell phone is a Sony Xperia, and we have 3 in our home, because it takes great photos for a cell phone!) I think the Z6 is still the better option over the D780, especially considering the price point. You get the FTZ adapter for free, AND, it gives you focus peaking on older glass that now makes using them REALLY FUN again, PLUS, the silent mode is REALLY nice, and the AF is unbeatable! So silent and quick! Love your videos, Tony and Chelsea! But, I have to disagree on this one. I looked at the D750, and even the D850, and I still went for the Z6 over them. I do a lot of landscape photography, and at times wish I might have gone for the Z7, but when I do video, or very low light shoots, it's obvious that I made the right choice with the Z6.
I think Nikon is smart to continue to develop their mid- and higher end DSLR bodies, given the millions of dedicated Nikon customers who have Nikkor F-mount lenses. I have mostly moved over to mirrorless systems, but have held onto my Nikon equipment and would probably buy the successor to the D850 if and when it is released.
I have the Z6 and I love it. It suits me. But I also have the D750 and really I should sell it, but I just can't bring myself to let it go. There's something about it, for sure. At some point the resale value will be barely enough to make it worth the hassle of selling so it would be logical to get rid of it as soon as possible. But the emotional (yes, emotional) connection I have to that older D750 is strong. What to do? Take the financial loss and keep a camera I don't use much these days, or part with something that feels like an old friend? If I did get rid of it I'd be so tempted to get its new big brother, the D780. And that would probably result in my wife leaving me, beating me, or harassing me for years to come :) Should Nikon continue to develop F mount cameras and lenses? Is the pricing fair? I suspect there'll be a lot of different answers, none of which are likely to influence Nikon. For me, I think I'm all in on the Z system if I'm brutally honest. I just love it. Is it perfect? No, what is? Does it suit me? Ah, there's the thing - yes it does :D
If the D780 prediction is accurate, I will definitely buy one, as I have 5 Nikon DSLR cameras which I use almost daily, which I think are much better than their new mirrorless full frame counterparts. . How many pros at sporting events are using mirrorless cameras of any brand. . Very few! I have a couple of Mirrorless cameras which are fun to use, but not when the action starts at any events e.g. weddings, red carpet, awards nights etc. They're just too cumbersome use on the fly, with complicated menus and fiddly buttons and wheels. Hopefully Nikon never give up on their F mount cameras and lenses! barmzola. Sydney Australia.
Ian Barnes you even heard about the a9 II? Yes that mirrorless blow away every dslr even after 5 years... pro are just to invested on canon/nikon lens and right now there isn’t any flagship mirrorless from those brand and even if there was one they are still way behind sony... wait 5 years when every brand will have a a9 ii level mirrorless and you won’t see any pro using dslr anymore. Also mirrorless are complicated? What you use man? Nikon are just dslr style without the mirror and all the advantage it give you leaving that mirror. Same menu same button same wheels... just give him some years because this is the first gen
Light Yagami, Yes I have heard of the Sony A9. . I used it at the launch in Sydney I was invited to by Sony. . it's great, very clever in so many ways, no blackout and silent shutter. . but you're still looking at a digital viewfinder. . the refresh rate of the top of the line Sony flash, which I bought, is much slower than the Nikon equivalent. . what type of photography work do you do?
Ian Barnes I do mostly portraits so I use off camera flash all the time. I suggest you to check out godox flash especially the v1 even for you’re nikon they cost 1/3, are more powerful and refresh rate is way faster vs any big brand flash (they use lithium battery also). There is very no reason to use anymore nikon or sony brand flash. The most thing I love about mirrorless is the digital viewfinder... I can see my exposure real time before I shot, see the histogram, zebra feature, peaking for manual lens and list go on
Just recently upgraded to a Z6. Love the edge 2 edge cover of autofocuspoints. They eye AF could be better a bit more snappier but that’s not my point. I think they should put their energy in developing the Z mount. I think mirrorless in general is the future. There is just more handy features that make my life more easy. You dont need them to take a good photo but it makes it just more fun. Just like with all feautures you dont need an A or S mode n you camera but it is conveinint in some cases. Like the remembering of the focus point when switching between landscape and portraitmode. Also love the toggle between video en stills mode. Sure you can manual dial verything in each time but I just love not to have to. I shoot corporate video’s and vlogs for artists. As well as a lot of stills So for me the video capabilities where also imported to me. Never seen all this technology packed into a DSLR. I used to shoot on both a D300s and a D750.
I agree. But also people are getting obsessed with "mirrorless is the only future" mentalities. Nikon DSLRs are top of the line so an upgrade to one of their absolute best DSLRs is great. I hope they do at least one more major update to the D850 (800) line of cameras as well. I still have my baby D800, but would honestly love to have a several gen direct upgrade to it. Give me a 40mp-50mp, D800-style body that can do 4K 60fps video with in-body stabilization. And I agree with Tony that a huge issue for Nikon is that their cameras are great and so many users have no real reason to upgrade. It's not like most of their DSLRs (especially the higher end ones) from the past 7-8 years are shit that don't give amazing results.
They just need to improve the autofocus and they are fine in mirrorless... they are already at d750 autofocus performance or even better but they are the last because sony af is just on a whole league by itself... canon and nikon can’t touch sony af right now but they are catching up fast with firmware. I’m a Sony shooter and I think next generation canon will be at sony level and maybe even nikon... remember those mirrorless are just the first gen and they are way better that the first sony gen or even second. In the end I’m just happy because competition from 3 big brand is just better for all us consumers
I'm sure they are. I definitely want a next gen either Nikon mirrorless or DSLR. My overall point is that even if their mirrorless bodies are their future I still am waiting a few more gens at least to upgrade at all. The 36mp D800 was/is SO much better in terms of image quality that I have had no real reason to upgrade. Obviously handling, focus, and iso have become better, but in a general sense none of these things would make my art/images that much better to justify an upgrade yet. I guess you could say this is an issue for all camera makers, but it definitely will be interesting to see where Nikon does go over the next 5-10 years. Hopefully they continue to be one of the world's best camera makers.
They're not "dropping back to the F mount". Nikon have said from the launch of Z they are committed to both F and Z mounts to give customers the choice as everyone has different needs.
@@MrPiffSmiff They said exactly the same when released the Nikon 1 system in 2012, and after four years the entire product line was silently shut down.
Rumor has it the D780 won't have the bottom contact pins for a proper Battery/Vertical Grip. If that's the case then that's a spectacular "own goal" by Nikon themselves. It might be fine for a $1K camera but really unacceptable for a $2K camera. Just because Nikon made that mistake with their Z-series cameras doesn't mean that they should double down on it. Does this mean that Nikon thinks that the Battery/Vertical Grip is a "luxury" feature that only belongs to $5K "pro" models?
Just bought a new D850 for $1,999 from Hong Kong and I'll buy another one before I spend $2,000 on a D780. I'm riding the DSLR train as long as I possibly can
In 2020, no one pay $2200 for 24MP camera. Especially Nikon, the video focus is suck. 5 years ago, 24MP is ok. But 2020 I want at least 40MP or more. We want 4K no crop and good focus like Sony.
Couldn't agree more - especially without sensor stabilization! Who wants to spend that kind of money on a camera from a company that's going out of business????
I would. I have been researching this camera for a long time. I have a D750. And a D500. And have been dreaming about an upgrade to the D750 that would physically be similar to my D500, with more autofocus points that go out more toward the edge and a focus joystick and a deeper buffer and a battery grip and bigger pixels than the D850 that should be better in low-light. Unfortunately. This D780 does not check all those boxes. But if it did, and was released tomorrow for $2199 with the battery grip. I would buy one.
Kaioshin, what would you do with all those unnecessary pixels? People marvel at how incredibly sharp their 65" 4k televisions look, yet they're looking at a massive screen that contains a mere 8mp. On lots of videos about the D850, I've seen the reviewers zooming in to 3:1 to show how much detail is there but nobody will ever be viewing the photograph zoomed in like that, at least nobody other than the photographer who has fallen for the 'big numbers trap'. Most pro photography could be done with a 12mp camera and no-one would ever know because in the majority of cases, the photograph will be viewed on a monitor not exceeding 8mp in resolution or in print at no more than A3.
GoneToHelenBach: I understand what you meant. But for me I shoot wide and crops to what I want. Plus I usually shoot 4K and recomposition my angle and renders out. The more information that I can captures the better for me. I zoom/pan my video a lot so it useful option. Ideally I should be shooting 8K but it’s way too expensive. Plus I wanted to freeze each frame and import into PhotoShop to edits then export back into the time line. I’m just doing crazy stuffs that’s all. Plus I’m watching it on my 4K 300” movie screen.
@@KaioshinAemi Okay, well you want what you want and if you prefer to shoot photographs wide and crop afterwards, rather than framing properly in the first place, then fair enough but my 21mp D500 shoots 4k video and your 300" movie screen is still only 8mp because that's roughly the resolution of 4k, regardless of the screen size.
I just upgraded from the D5600 to Z7, im into landscape so it works amazing. If Nikon would hurry up and implement the sony focus system which we know they could have access to if they wanted to and bump the fps that mirrorless can shoot, they would capture a chunk of the market back, also 2 card slots lol haha.
Given the huge install base of F-mount lenses (including many screw drive D lenses), I expect both DSLR and mirrorless platforms to coexist for years to come. There may be fewer new DSLR bodies to come, and mostly in the high end or pro range.
I don't think Nikon is big enough to maintain two camera systems. Even giant Sony has stopped spending R&D money into A-mount system for four years now. They released four A - to E mount adapters in 2013 when A7 and A7R were announced. Two of the adapters had screw-driver AF motors to support all Minolta A-mount lenses ever made. Nikon released an FTZ without an AF motor, a pathetic decision, showing Nikon's management attitude towards its customers.
I don't think Nikon is big enough to maintain two camera systems. Even giant Sony has stopped spending R&D money into A-mount system for four years now. They released four A - to E mount adapters in 2013 when A7 and A7R were announced. Two of the adapters had screw-driver AF motors to support all Minolta A-mount lenses ever made. Nikon released an FTZ without an AF motor, a pathetic decision, showing Nikon's management attitude towards its customers.
Frank Woodbery - I don’t think Nikon has the resources to maintain two systems. Yes, the F-mount is a little small, and that can be a bit of a constraint compared to the Canon EF. But Nikon is going to keep making F lenses anyways, so they might as well concentrate their limited resources on keeping that well-established system competitive. There’s a lot of Nikon glass starting to show its age, especially with the insane sensor resolutions. Even little Leica has gone and updated much of its M-mount lenses. The Z-system is a good idea from a technical standpoint, but it’s a waste of resources that could be better put towards putting out products people actually buy.
@@ClockworksOfGL and Miklos Nemeth - Of course nobody knows but a Nikon insider. I would only speculate that Nikon will completely abandon consumer COOLPIX cameras and the low end 3XXX and 5XXX cameras very soon. But the upper-end enthusiast cameras (like this D7XX, the D5XX, the D8XX), the pro bodies D5 and D6 should be around for a long time. Too many lenses and existing professional user base to simply abandon them. As far as maintaining two platforms - Fujifilm has their crop bodies, and their quasi-medium format GFX. And now Panasonic has both the M4:3 and their FF bodies. And probably others. It can be done. Nikon will just reduce the number of SKUs and redeploy their R&D resources to more profitable products.
@@ClockworksOfGL "The Z-system is a good idea from a technical standpoint, but it’s a waste of resources that could be better put towards putting out products people actually buy." Exactly this was the point of this video. Nikon wasted 1 year, almost on the edge of going bankrupt. Nikon cannot do another year with this pathetic Z sales performance, I guess. Just remember the Nikon 1 product line. It was just two years ago, Nikon is still under the financial shock of the money they lost on that project.
thanks for this great update...As a long time Nikon user, currently working with a D750, I am wed to the F mount... although the mirror-less sounds great the big consideration for me is not just the cost of the body but also the cost of replacing the glass. My current D700 and D750 both need mid life services and will then last another good few years ... but a good upgrade at the right price point could be an option...
D780 makes no sense, especially at those price points. Instead, buy the Z6 for less, with the free adapter, and have more versatility and a better camera. Your charts are pretty Tony, but we need to look to the future, not the past. With a Z6 you can start investing (?) in the future. More importantly, you need to compare the management philosophies of Sony and Nikon. Sony is providing as much innovative technology in their camera’s as possible and has aggressive pricing. Nikon limits technology, sticking to the old school “if they want more, they have to buy the more expensive model”, and then gouges their existing base to cover bad management decisions. Sure, stabbing the existing base may prolong their slow death, but only a change in philosophy at the highest ranks will save them. This camera screams Nikon isn’t there yet and shows no signs of improvement. Remember “That Nikon Guy”? Well, he’s all ‘growed up’ and just made a video touting the benefits of Sony! And he’s not alone. For the record, I’m heavily invested in Nikon gear and love what I have, but it’s not what I’d recommend for someone building a new system.
I’ve noticed that Tony and others point out that bcecause nikon is reducing prices on the Z series they are in trouble but never say that about sony which does the same thing.
In my work as a photographer, I use a Sony A7 mirror-less range camera, one Canon EOS M Mark One and 2 Nikon camera's for photographic work. They all have feature's I love and hate and for me all this is like comparing apples with pear's. If I had to choose, I'd keep the Sony and the Canon. As for the time being, Canon and Nikon missed the mirror-less train. Feature's are great in a camera, but we photographer's can make a piece of art with a Kodak Instamatic from bygone days. This is what matters, the vision, the rest is just technology. Have a nice time time to discuss camera's and spend more time to take great picture's.
Milan Medek I don’t know how many were produced but it would be a lot. A lot of people would have them. When it was released it was praised as a Nikon flagship camera. But for some reason it almost never gets a mention. Probably because UA-cam channels can’t provide a B&H or Amazon selling link to make money. Sceptical me thinks it’s simply about the dollars 💰
@@aussie8114 you can get a750 for 800 almost half of the price and the 810 is not twice the camera. Pixels are the only difference and the 750 has higher fps and little advantage in low light. I mean the d810 is a great camera but in a difficult position right now.
Nothing wrong with still loving DSLRs. I still love mine. Manufacturers are too focused on making mirrorless cameras smaller. They aren't focused on what they really need. DSLRs are still amazing cameras. Mirrorless cameras dont offer any more image quality than DSLRs do. As for Nikons F mount, it doesnt matter that it's old. The F mount is tried and true and this is coming from a Canon user.
As I concider moving up to a D750 from my D5300, now I'm going to sit tight and be hoping for a D750 price drop. Doesn't look like enough reasons to go to the 780. I'll spend the cash on lenses instead. Of course if someone buys my D5300, that'll force my hand to buy the 750 sooner.
I had to allow myself a wry grin when Tony confessed they've gone back to recording in HD. It has been clear to me for a long time that 4k isn't needed in most circumstances. As to the D780, it has also been clear to me that the DSLR ain't dead for a long time yet. Will it kill the Z6 no, it won't. This is aimed at content creators and will eat into the higher priced competition. The key to Nikon's success will be shareability of components under the skin.
What higher priced competition? Tony said they are selling it for 2 grand......That seems expensive for a camera like this, especially when you have the fujifilm xt3 and sony a7iii out in the wild for cheaper.
I am surprised by the 4K statement. Even though I have got a 4K monitor I watch most UA-cam videos in 720p because most of them are mostly narrative videos like the ones from Tony with no real benefit when using higher resolution but having less bandwidth and better playing forward performance when using lower res. Also UA-cam makes the 4K version later available than the 1080p or 720p version so early viewers don't even have the option to watch 4K. So on one hand no surprise to me that Tony's video aren't watched in 4K. But e.g. for landscape videos 4K is the way to go otherwise you could argue the same way that most people don't need more than 2MP for still photos as most people watch on smartphone and PC ... how weird would that be?
@@stefanwagener To my eye the jump in quality from 720 to 1080 is pretty significant, and im on a 1080 monitor.. If you are working with a 4k monitor I guess it depends on how good the upsampling of non 4k content is on your screen.
Even if you do have a 4K capable monitor, UA-cam only streams 4K for Google's Chrome browser. No thanks. The loss of my privacy isn't worth the resolution upgrade.
Excellent post as in most cases from this channel. At 8:39 you mentioned dropping back from 4K down to HD. You mentioned that working with HD is simpler, sure, but wasn't the real reason, honestly, Tony, that the Canon EOS R you are using is not capable of shooting full sensor 4K?
Nikon should be moving full steam ahead with mirrorless and I disagree that this is a good business decision. The nearly two year old A7 III already crushes this camera and the A7 IV will be releaed soon and will surely be improved over the III. What they should be doing is releasing better versions of their Z cameras and stop wasting money developing DSLRs. There will be plenty of great DSLRs on the used market for years to come if anyone still wants that. Nikon has the heritage to make a truly competitive and compelling mirrorless camera. When people see this, it gives them no confidence in Nikon’s future as an innovator and they will continue to switch to other systems in droves - just like what’s been already happening in the last few years. At this point it’s pretty sad watching Nikon drop the ball time after time and it’s unsustainable.
For professionals and rich enthusiasts, but for the average bloke? I am already waiting to buy this. I dont want to spend 4k on a mirrorless and I like all my nice f mounts. Plus I can't afford storage for 65 mp raw files
Tony said only 2% of Nikon users use Nikon Mirroless...(so it must be true?); so it kinda makes sense to placate their F-Mount DSLR users since that's obviously where the current money is spent. Abandon F-Mount users, Nikon crashes out of existence.
Rick Kadar the reason why Nikon users haven’t invested in the Z system is because Nikon hasn’t offered anything compelling or competitive or with features pros need. The lenses have taken a while to release and nothing exciting in terms of fast glass(the Noct is not it). Two card slots are a big deal for pros especially wedding and event shooters and they didn’t offer that. The autofocus is behind what competitors offer. Professionals already shooting Nikon who didn’t jump ship to other brands saw no reason to buy into Nikon mirrorless yet. Many have lost patience like myself and left for better and more exciting camera technology. I think with limited resources Nikon is losing an opportunity here. Release something exciting both in terms of bodies and lenses and not only will Nikon DSLR users most likely upgrade their aging bodies to Nikon mirrorless but even different brand users may be attracted to the system. I’m sorry but I don’t see the D780 being a hit in this day and age.
Don't know why Nikon wouldn't make mirrorless with the standard F mount. People would upgrade their bodies without having to spend extra to upgrade lenses or buy an adaptor.
I was waiting for something like that, But then I bought the Z6, i think its a big mistake on Nikons Part to Compete with their great Z line. What they should do is, to speed up the process in releasing their Z Mount Lenses.
There is still money to be made in DSLRs, they are still selling F6s. Mirrorless is not going anywhere, when Nikon decides they have no choice they can jump on the Mirroless thing full time and add whatever they need to because they wont have to worry about killing DSLR sales. If Sony was the only game in town, Canon, Nikon, Panasonic and even Olympus would have been out of business a long time ago.
Thanks Tony for the post. I think so Nikon still grab market if they will apply few things in their future cameras, it just my thought. 1. Provide full cover of AF points in OVF so we can move AF point any where in view finder like we can do in Zs 2. Add in body stabilization ( not required it must be mirrorless). 3. Really bigger buffer and new processing chip with more faster response time. 4. Keep DSLR AF point system as it was in D850, and D500 specifically there we were getting D9, D25, Group AF (Not required this new crap Wide S, L and AF-F though it is kind of same but something wrong in that). Just keep on following Nikon older basics instead of simply copy Sony AF system, we really don't want that we want that build hybrid body that have some DSLR function and some mirrorless. About Z mount that is fine we like that and adapter is good working fine with most all lenses so even we get new hybrid body with Z mount then no issues. Really issues with Zs they simply don't have processing power to handle, EVF, AF tracking and shutter fire. Really hopping best from D6 as that suppose to be hybrid one, finger cross and just trash Zs into garbage as they don't have process power at all.
I own a d750 and I love this camera but the Z6 system was the perfect choice for me and my videos. 4k, stabilization, and raw output with hdmi and ninja atomos. Really high level with not so high cost. With these specs you don't need SD cards at all.
Love my Z7. Used the d810 for a long time, so when they did mirrorless with a great mount adapter for my lenses it seemed like a no brainer. I don’t do wildlife or sports, so I don’t see any issues with the autofocus. I use it in a variety of ways, as my subjects are always pretty still. As far as image quality, I don’t know how you couldn’t be satisfied. Especially with z mount lenses
My D750 will soldier on. Maybe if D780 came with stabilisation I might think it was worth upgrading as it would be nice to get some extra stops out of my old F-mount lenses. That said good to see a revised “pro” reflex coming out of Nikon. But remember I’m the saddo who still digs out 35mm SLRs to shoot with when the mood takes me.
D850 sales are still excellent, its still the best all round camera ever made and probably the pinnacle of the DSLR. I imagine the D780 will continue this trend, and sell very well.
Well being a senior on a fixed income, I'II keep my D500 ( I love this camera compared to my old D90) And with my 17-55 F2.8 DX, 85 f3.5 Micro DX, 70 -200 F2.8 FX and 200 - 500 f5.6 FX I have my dream camera system. I am a believer it's not the camera that makes the great picture, it's the person behind it. I alway's remember many years ago when in college I worked part time doing race track finish photo's ( winning horse, jockie and owners). The fellow I worked for had two Hasselblad 500ELM with 120 roll back and 80mm Planar lens cameras. He always complained to me about my photo's being just that very little bit crisper. Problem was he wouldn't admit he needed glasses LOL !!
There are still many wildlife photographers like me don't want to switch - Mirrorless body simply too light for a heavy glass and tracking still not as good as DSLR if track medium and small bird inflight!
TALK is EASY, SONY boys show me some swallow and medium birds inflight. Dont just post big raptors inflight online, it didnt mean anything. I can get that big bird with my point n shoot!
The problem with the Z system is that there is no D750 alike alter-native and its all becouse the 1xqd slot if Nikon would made the Z6 with 2 SD slots it would be a win for them but they decided on the xqd so a lot of wedding photographers and enthusiasts do not bother with the Z system. I have been waiting for a mirrorles replacement for about 2 years and i am still waiting but now with in one foot i am in the Fuji system becouse i had a joice buy the xt3 with a good lens or buy a Nikon Z6 that will not give me a backup option and the money i could spend on a lens i would have to spend on the new xqd Cards. And the new d780 if it wont have any special upgrades wont be a sails hit like the d750 had been. People want mirrorles but not crippled like the Z6 is and the Z7. Give me a damn D750 with Z mount and without a mirror and with a better AF system and i will buy 2 the next day it's in the shop and live the xqd slot for users that need them or want them in a D5, D6 or D850 body. The d750 always was a enthusiast camera in some cases used by pros that was its strength.
I've had three Sony mirrorless bodies, plus three Fuji bodies. Went back to using my Nikon, (d500 & d850). No more stress. Perfect focus in almost any light & great colour. Concentrating on subject instead of swearing at the camera. I keep my Fuji's as an alternate but feel so less stressed since switching back to DSLR last year.
I noticed the difference in your video as soon as it started. What camera are you using? I purchased a Z7 w/ 24-70 f2.8 and I love it! I have been a photographer for over 50 years starting Kodak Brownie camera.
I could never use any camera with one card slot and I say this from lessons leaned the hard way, otherwise I would be using a Z camera right now. My 750 has been my workhorse and has produced thousands of great images. I'm in no hurry to upgrade, but I'm sure I will eventually.
@@alexanderhartmann7950I shot 4x5 backups that were held back from the process run every job. When shooting roll film I lost jobs due to lab failures and I did lose a couple of rolls along the way. I never want that feeling again.
I would like to hear their reasoning on why they went to the Z mount unless they thought it would increase sales from the DSLR customer base (D750, D850, etc) who wanted the Z system and felt the need to purchase new lenses from their former F mount system. As a D850 owner, I wouldn't gain much from the Z7 as I don't shoot video and I do not want to rely on one card slot. Also, adding extra batteries to my kit will eat up some of the weight differentials between the D850 and the Z7. Again, I don't personally see any gain in switching.
Nice comparison/speculation, Tony! As a former Nikon man who moved to Fujifilm several years back because of the ergos of the X-T1, plus, their stellar Fujinon optics, had I stayed with Nikon, I likely would have gone with the mirroless Z System, despite still having my Nikkormat FT3 and a few Nikkor lenses. I am simply getting better sharpness and image detail with the Fuji X-System than I ever did with my admittedly old Nikon System...though I have not tested their Z-System cameras/lenses.
I use my old 35-70 2.8d as a walk-around lens on my Z 6 quite often, which works pretty well, since with static subjects I have plenty of time to work the focus ring and joystick to get my composition. I get less noise and image stabilization over my D7200, plus immediate transfer to my phone with the improved connectivity, along with a tilting touchscreen that lets me "shoot from the hip" whenever I want. Those things were my deciding factor in buying the Z 6 over a D750 for full frame. When I'm shooting landscapes on a tripod, either camera works just fine. If I were a wedding photographer, I would pick up a D750, rather than a D780, based on cost to performance with no meaningful improvements for that use case. When the day comes that there are no more D750's left to purchase, I suppose the D780 would be the obvious choice for the wedding and event photographer, if someone wanted to stay with their existing glass and not switch systems. I would think, though, that in the meantime, an improved Z camera will have arrived that addresses all the current issues and would be the better successor to replace a worn out D750. Rather than regress to an F mount dslr, they should regress the Z to a two sd card storage format, develop an adaptor with a screw drive for the tens of thousands of AF-D lenses still being used on a regular basis, incorporate the pop-up flash of the Z 50 and provide a vertical grip with full controls. If they were to do those things, along with regular software refinements to AF, buffer, ISO and so forth, they would guarantee their future in the camera division for years to come.
I think Nikon heading in the right direction developing more DSLR cameras with the F-mount, I have no interest in a mirrorless camera from any manufacturer. Lets see what they do for an upgrade on the D850 which I own. If the only added features to the D860/? is a Sony 61MP sensor, I won't be upgrading.
I've been looking at upgrading my D750 to a Z6 for about a year now. The biggest issue for me is ability to shoot video in 4k which the D780 would take care of. I have a D500, but the 2x crop makes its 4k video unusable. The main other decision point is the size difference and I'm attracted to the smaller size of the Z6 for outdoor work but have concerns about its battery life relative to a DSLR. When you are 2 weeks in the bush you have to bring several extra batteries or an external power supply. The EVF worries me for its constant battery drain even though it takes almost as many shots as a DSLR, I can't help but think that accidentally leaving it on will result in charge loss whereas a DSLR this doesn't happen. Still if it came down to 1 or 2 extra batteries, its smaller size could compensate for that. For pricing, the new D780 looks like it will cost about the same as a Z6 but given I don't have to buy the adapter to use my existing lens line up so I think it still works out cheaper than the Z6. I really don't care if it has one or two SD slots and prefer the XQD slot having used it in my D500. Ultimately, the new D780 will have me thinking closely about whether to upgrade to the mirrorless system. On brand loyalty. I've been with Nikon since 1992. I doubt I'll ever change companies for bodies unless Nikon folds. I'm happy buying high end off-brand glass though which is another reason the Z-system is less attractive. It seems from my reading that a lot of off-brand lenses won't autofocus with the Z-adapter.
I feel like there was SO much potential for a D750 update and Nikon put in as little effort as possible... Incredibly disappointed in this prediction...
It's strange that right now it seems like the most electronically advanced Nikon body in the lineup is the D500. I'd really like to see an entry level full frame with a better processor and focusing system than the 610 or 750. Right now the electronic guts and focus systems of the three digit line don't really beat my 5500 by much, which makes it hard to justify the move to full frame. (My go to lens right now is the Tamron 35-150, so I keep feeling like I should step up.) Also, I just spent 800 bucks on that lens, so I'm not really ready to give up f mount.
I love my 2 D750's and will use them for weddings and portraits and even sports until they die. The one thing I saw about the D780 that I hate is that it won't have contacts for a vertical grip. That one thing will put me off purchasing one for as long as possible instead of looking to upgrade before my 750's are un-repairable.
After frustrations with my Sony a7ii IBIS, I brought out my old D300s a few months ago as a backup, which then ended up bing my primary shooter a few times. I decided for plenty of reasons, I'm coming back to Nikon. I still have some glass, sadly old AF-D glass, so most of it won't autofocus on mirorless, which in some ways I don't mind but I'm not thrilled about either. So I got myself a D700 that I found for cheap, and Z6 to see if it will outperform a7ii with adapted glass... I'm probably not alone in that Nikon would not have temporarily lost me, had they simply released FTZ adapter that can autofocus AF-D lenses. Seriously, instead of people spending money on megadap Leica M to Z adapter and then another one to adapt whatever to Leica M, just so they can use AF-D and other lenses on the otherwise lovely Z6 (I love the grip on Z6 and button layout placement is much much better, always has been, on Nikon, than any other camera I've tried, though Sony did get close, but not close enough), if Nikon just made sure to give people who have decades of nikon lenses an adapter that would fit AF-D lenses too, I'm sure Nikon would be in a much better position. Heck, Sony did do that for those who have old screw driven AF lenses, so I reckon it shouldn't be that hard to accomplish... Anyway, I'll likely add 780 to my collection one day. It seems like a great in between F and Z bridge camera.
Great vid. Nikon should just continue to make DSLRs better. the delta between the D750 and D780 is not enough to switch for many people as there will be a big price difference. I just heard that the D780 will not be compatible with any vertical grips - if that is true - it will not be attractive to D750 pros. I actually think the release of the D780 is a convincer to keep the D750. It is well worth the money and does more than enough for someone who wants to stay Nikon for the lenses and for the long term. What do you think about making the D780 incompatible with a vertical grip? Good or bad move?
yes, they should continue to also focus and DSLR. There are a lot of us who prefer them over mirrorless and we shouldn't be "forced" by the market to switch to mirrorless. By the way, do you know if there are any studies to weather or not the EVF in a mirrorless camera affects the eye, because we are talking about a very small screen/display that is very close to the eye and we all know tv's, computers, smartphones are bad for your eyes and the smaller the screen and the closer your eye is tot it, the more damage it does. I would like to hear your thoughts on this topic. thanks
My D7200 is also great. I keep looking for the next body, but the ideal upgrade doesn’t exist yet. My D7200 with the sigma 18-35 f1.8 should actually have as good or better low light performance than a Z6 with the 24-70 f4. The Z6 with a f2.8 zoom is multiple times more expensive than the D7200 setup. The Z6 is a lot of money to spend on a camera that doesn’t have two card slots, a grip option, and has a ways to go on autofocus vs Sony. Z50 isn’t a path to buying full frame Z lenses and eventually a Z6 mark ll because neither the Z lenses nor Z50 have stabilization. It also doesn’t have focus shifting for macro photography and doesn’t support a MIOPS external trigger since it doesn’t have a port. I wish the D780 had expanded the focal point area and I want a vertical grip, so it is less appealing at the price. The D750, D780, Z50 and Z6 are great cameras, but they each have features the others don’t have. None of them are the complete package yet. Maybe the Z6 mark ll will be the camera. ..until then, my D7200 is a surprisingly great camera.
unbroken1010 It’s for me not only the point of an extra battery. A battery grip is for me essential for the better handling (for me) and the better control for vertical shoots.
Tony, something you forgot to mention: 1. AF performance advantage of DSLR AF system vs mirrorless in some situations. 2. The ability of D780 to utilize silent shooting (vs D750 and D850). This could have a big appeal to wedding and event photographers who still demand two card slots. I would like to see a joystick on the back of D780. If that is done, D780 has a potential of being a better everyday camera than D850.
Insightful Tony I was incredulous at your predication but thought it likely you had been tipped off by something a Nikon rep had said, I really like the Z series particularly the 50 ( I have a D300) but the 50 has a terrible lens line up, I suspect a lot of buyers are hanging out for the Z6/7 MKII given the strides made by Sony for the same, (unwise?). So yes Nikon need to reanimate the corpse of the F mount D series with Zombie upgrades to harvest some Wonga and the drift to Sony /Fuji as much as possible until the rev their cameras to similar autofocus performance and spec.
That's funny you mentioned the camera you're using for this video because I'm watching this on a new Toshiba TV and I was blown away by the sharpness and clarity of your face. So yeah 4k isn't that big of a deal. This is my first 4k TV and thought "Wow yeah maybe 4k is much better"
The dSLR cameras of Canon or Nikon aren't dead yet. They have an amazing variety of native and third party lenses at good prices and most older photographers are fully accustomed to this technology. The technology of SLR and subsequent dSLR cameras became popular during early 60's when it started to replace the older technology of full frame rangefinder and medium format twin-lens reflex cameras. One way or another the mirrorless technology is the future. The only relic of the film era is the mechanical shutter but the electronic shutter is becoming more efficient years by year.
@@JimBateyPhotography So why is that? The D810 is the only Nikon DSLR that has a very low noise shutter release w/o using the live view. Maybe the D6 will come close or even better; there you will have to pay a fortune, though.
TONY if you can, please test the focus acquisition of the D780 vs D850 vs D750 with sports or birds in flight with busy backgrounds, so far we have no tests, thanks.
I bought my d750 back in May of last year. I bought it new along with 2 lenses. At the moment I don't need a d850 even though I'd love to have one. The d780 would be a great second body or upgrade later. From rumors I've heard it's like a full frame version of a d500 but better ISO than the d850. I wonder if it will have the same sensor as the new d6. I think you are right about it making sense that they would come out with this. One reason why people aren't jumping into the Z series is because there's not enough glass. The other reason is that not many want the first gen mirrorless. But here's the thing about the Z glass, they may be better than the F mount glass but are they better enough to the point that pros would give up what they already use to go to the new lenses? I think if a person is heavily invested into Nikon glass already they probably won't switch anytime soon. I think new shooters or people going from crop bodies with kit lenses might go straight to the Z series since they aren't invested in F glass. So far I really like my d750. I think going to the d780 would make more sense for me.
I know you guys will laugh. But I will take a DSLR and an F-mount lens any day. Nobody has convinced me yet why I need to switch to Z. Spare me. Shoot raw with good glass, have good low-light performance for focus and you are done.
Absolutely. The only two things I would like about mirrorless are the WYSIWYG viewfinder and the IBIS, but there are too many negatives in the current Nikon Z cameras to offset those two positives.
I've said it before and I'll say it again...when they make a mirrorless that has the AF, handling and ergonomics, card slots and battery-grip option of a D500, then I'll be interested.
z lenses are the future. ask Froknows Photos
Why are you thinking that we would laugh. Here we are. Watching a video about an f-mount camera. Probably most of us are on your side.
@@mayankbaunthiyal I tried the Z mount cameras and hated them. Compared to my D850, they feel like a huge step down. Everything about them feels less solid, less convenient and slow. I don't quite get the raving about evfs either. Personally, I'll take an ovf any day. There's a disconnect happening with an evf that takes all life out of photography. When they double the resolution and frame rate - maybe. Until then, just no.
Yep - D780 will be better around AF. It'll hopefully record video to both cards and have touch screen video AF. I'll only go to £1500 tho a few months after launch.
Hey Nikon still makes the F6 and people still buy it.
Nope, they haven't for a few years. The only F6s that are out there are NOS (New Old Stock). People may still buy them, but not in any numbers of significance.
Darren Melrose didn't Nikon release a statement that it's still in production a few months ago
@@georgemalczynski There was an interview in 2018 where a Nikon representative said they have an F6 production line in the Sendai factory.
The F6 is an amazing camera. If film were free, I would much rather shoot an F6 with Provia than my D600, 5D II and Z6 (which should arrive tomorrow omg)
@@shlawchablaas film is not that expensive. You shoot less and if you develop it by yourself, it's ok.
I'm very happy with my D750 and I'll use D780 money to buy more lenses for my D750.
shailen jadhav Yep, the way to go. I’m stuck with my D500 and I had money for a D850. Instead, I opt for two refurbished lens and a battery grip.
Yes. I've been researching for this camera. And I'm disappointed with the new specifications. So earlier today I bid on and won a new lens that I need way more.
Getting nice lenses for existing D750 is far better choice. Because I never have found anything wrong with it. Ultimately photographer's creativity is the key for better photos.
@@TheShollen 24 Megapixels is enough for normal use and D750 has more value for money. We should not chase after crazy specs. We should buy excellent lenses and that would be better choice. Your decision is right here. The improvements in camera are just small increments, not worth upgrading to.
If d780 gets joystick and d500 autofocus 153 points then i can think to buy it otherewise fail.
I’m loving the “evil” Tony look. You could do a mirrorless vs. DSLR video with Tony and “evil” Tony and Chelsea in the middle. Evil Tony could try to get Chelsea to go back to her D850.
Nikon made the best DSLR ever made. The D850 is still king
King of "the DSLR whose resolution you don't really need actually", to be even more precise ;)
@@tubularificationed I mean yeah, but the d850 rivals medium format image quality in a DSLR package, and it can use all f mount lenses......
I have a D850 and bought the D780. I am staying with with the F mount lenses and my old screw drive glass. I don't see the need to switch and lose money and get the Z and Z glass. I am not fond of having to add the F mount adapter to the Z either.
We have reached a point where most offerings today are 24MP or greater, 10 fps or greater, and low light to 64,000 ISO. That is simply amazing compared to recent history or film. We have essentially reached parity with hardware. What will differentiate cameras going forward is software like Eye AF, sky replacement, better compressed RAW, etc.
The new gen specs: Yes.
So when will you don the red cape and complete the transformation to Dr Strange 😁
bdpecalam 😂
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Great information! Keeping the F Mount very smart on Nikon's behalf. Your lighting looks really nice on your set, and the focus looks really tight and sharp!
Yeah, his video looks like he didn't use a Nikon to record the video.
Is the background a blurred photo?
As an avid Nikon user, I don’t feel satisfied with my 750/810’s when I see how far Sony has come. I would have loved to make the jump to mirrorless but Nikon’s Z series fell short for me. Lots of hype but no real world performance gains over the dslr’s. The old bodies are still getting the job done reliably just feeling a little left out in the tech department
Main reason I ditched D750 D4 and D500 was AF consistency issues. Z6 has better IQ then all of them plus focus is always dead on.
It's even worse for Canon users, the Eos R was an unrefined, very experimental camera which is an overpriced downgrade from the 5D mark iv and the RP isn't really an option as an entry level 6D copy. I am really hoping that canon releases a pro mirrorless camera soon.
Agree. No real upgrade path for the 5D, 6D, 7D (APSC or not, it's the only sports camera below the 1DX flagship), and the roadmap continue to only show poor FPS rate and slow AF EOS R substitutes.
well, not much improvement in the Nikon World :(. Nikon should reconsider the right direction to go with huge changes, otherwise goes the Kodak way. Afraid, already no way back. See, Canon made the MILC transformation unique for the brand, Nikon just made it expensive. Strange to see Sony as former “outsider” made itself the best option for pro camera gear choose. Fuji is also a great choice, but expect more dramatic improvements in the eye AF and IQ department, also, update of pro f/1.4 lenses.
This is the camera I am gunning for, I have a collection if serious F-mount glass!! and that is what gets me the pictures :) I do fashion and events! the D780 will be good for this!
Why not buy a used D850 though? Costs about the same. Kinda weird.
@@youknowwho9247 D850 have no eye autofocus. Personally for portrait shoots I use camera in liveview 90% of the time. If new nikon will have eye af this is all I need..
Thanks guys I learn a lot.
Really....? So WHAT exactly in your field will the D780 give you that the D750 doesn't!?...
@@TomasRamoska Eye-af is certainly a helpful feature, but it's not prohibitive to not have it. I'd rather have all the other advantages of the D850 than go for a worse camera at the same price just for eye af.
Looking at the d780 specs, to be honest, it is not worthy of an upgrade from d750
How? D750 is a joke for video and isnt that great for sports or wildlife
No. Just can’t justify selling my D750 for a D780. I use my pop up flash as a commander to my 2 Nikon flashes and it works brilliantly. Will the D780 makes a better photographer? No. Will it give me better picture quality? No. Make me more photo sales? No. All questions you should ask yourself before forking out on a new camera.
Most likely it would have better quality as sensors evolve and improve worh dynamic range and ISO performance.
the D780 is a better camera than the D750
Happy New Year... Thank you and your wife for making these videos I know a lot of time and work goes into them... It quickens the learning curve for us newbs exponentially .....
For me, this body saves me over $6000 in new lenses having to switch to Z mounts that do not work with my screw drives lenses. Plus the older lenses can be as little as 1/10 the cost of a new Z lenses, like an older $100 28-105 D macro f3.5-4.5 that is still a decent walk around lens. I also like looking through all glass not some video monitor, it puts me more in touch with the outside world and less lag.
lag is something sony users often forgets to talk about..
I think at only 2% Z-Mount users, Nikon should focus R/D on their F-Mount DSLRs. I get that they're trying to go with the times and not miss the transition to mirrorless, but if you're whole customer Base wants to stick to DSLRs, then give them what they want. Sell what people wanna buy, that's more important than going with the times just for the sake of going with the times.
Still think the Z6 is a better deal. Lighter, way more focus points, EVD. I'll just keep waiting.
i like z6/7 but they r too small in my hands i wish they make bigger functional girp battery for them
@@qassemaleid9774 Buy a brick, it's bigger and heavier and thus less portable.
Agreed!! Z6 is a great camera for video and photos.
Coastal Bay 4K and stabilization!! How can they sell a $2000 camera in 2020 and not be stabilized!!
@@coltoncyr2283 - Great point!!
Completely on point. 99% of thjeir market is using F mount lenses. In this context, the D780 makes marketing sense. Mirrorless Fanboys will go apoplectic. As will UA-camrs with big Afros.
I would love to see a video about your new studio setup, I was thinking how good it looked and was surprised that you didn't shoot in 4k. Just goes to show that lighting and composition make more of a difference than resolution. Excellent job.
@@CockpitScenes ? I didn't say either/or
I thought it was 4k...until he said. Very good HD quality!
Love my d750. Only use it for stills so the d780 is not attractive since the improvements seem to be on the video side. Would consider a trade up if stabilization was part of the D780. Nikon could make money on me if they made new glass for the f-mount with the latest in coating and stabilization and fast focus motors.
Thank you Tony for that review! I absolutely love my nikon D750's! When the D780 comes out I am going to purchase some more D750'S because the price will probably drop!🙂
@@mayankbaunthiyal I might consider what you suggested however I need a camera with dual memory card slots! Nikon made a huge mistake with its mirrorless cameras not doing this!🤔
@@mayankbaunthiyal not with that single card slot
@@mayankbaunthiyal The Photoshoots I do I usually have to send one memory card to Los Angeles and the other one to New York! That's why the Mirrorless system at this time will not work for me! I do thank you for trying to help me!🙂
Mayank Baunthiyal the A7R 4 has dual card slots
@@SusanSlattery Thank you but I have too much invested in nikon glass!
Just get the D850, job done.
This is VERY intriguing.
(a) My biggest complaint about my D750 and D810 is the autofocus on the LCD screen, so called "live view". I use that a LOT at events (or TRY to) and often would like to use that during studio shoots as well when on tripod, as a relief from constant use of viewfinder. Rear screen autofocus is nearly worthless on D750 and D810 and the jump to Z6 quality would be really, really tempting.
(b) As for the center coverage for autofocus in the viewfinder, well I kind of like focus & recompose. I don't have to trick the autofocus system into focusing on what I want. and ....
(c) The traditional DSLR autofocus systems are consistent in lower light, whereas mirrorless tend to be more hit or miss in my experience. I'm talking about consistency not capability in the specs. I suspect that this is in part because DSLR autofocus systems include cross type sensors whereas mirrorless ones, with possible exception of Olympus, require either all vertical or all horizontal lines to find focus.
Good call Nikon, IMHO -- though this could diminish the trend to mirrorless, it holds onto the customer base by giving them options.
ps: I don't understand the trend to eliminate popup flash. They are useful for times when you need just a little fill or a catchlight, AND, with modern sensors working so well at higher ISO's the little pop-up flash is in effect more powerful than it used to be, even that the light output has not changed.
I have no problems with focus and recompose on the D750. I've been using it professionally for 4 years. Touch screen video AF will be bonus.
Nikon probably axed the flash to make it lighter, more weather resistant, and so they could pack more tech in. That's what Canon did.
The first time I used a camera with 2 slots was in Tanzania and I grew to need two SD card slots. Even if you just send RAW to one and JPG to the other, it makes it so much easier to share your photos online in the field without having to edit every night.
just got my new camera Nikon d500 today!!! going back to DSLRs great cameras , lenses ....
I prefer an optical view finder mainly because I am used to it. I am not a professional photographer but have been using Nikon cameras since the early 1980s when they were all 35mm. I am not sure many people want to change from DSLR to the Mirrorless cameras as it would mean a fairly complete overhaul of their existing setup. If you already have a lot of good lenses you would rather just have a new body that is designed to work with your existing lenses.
DeWitt Potts- Exactly!
DeWitt Potts ahh, but seems there is a lot of inferences here that F mount / Nikon F glass in inferior crap and you can’t make an excellent image anymore with them because z glass and mirrorless tech and Sony iAF has rendered all other optical devices inoperable! 😂
Why would I buy a D780 when I can get a used D850 for almost the same price?
Homer J Simpson if you computer can handle 47mp than go ahead
@@grincadorna4753 What modern computer can't? I have no issues with 36mp raw from my D810, and my machine is only a 2nd Gen i5. You must have a C64 ;) -- kidding of course. I don't even have a next gen SSD Drive, but I do have 10Gbit to my RAID. We spend thousands on cameras, a 1tb NVME SSD isn't that expensive these days, edit then put on your slow storage.
I have a D7100, along with my Z6, and I love BOTH! I still use my D7100 for sports and wildlife, as the crop sensor gives me extra reach. If I don't need the extra reach, then I use my Z6, because the glass there is much better, plus I love the eye focus capability.
One thing MOST of you are missing about "old glass + Z6" is FOCUS PEAKING!!! I LOVE that feature! It means that I can use my grandfather's old 50mm f1.4 Nikkor lens and get great, soft looks with smooth bokeh, and the focus peaking speeds up that process. Which is crucial in portraiture. So I DO use my Z6 with my older lenses from my grandfather and mom. (I'm a 3rd gen Nikon user, and my oldest son makes him a 4th gen Nikon user!) So we have glass from the 70's, 80's, and 2000's along with my new Z lens that we still use. So it's a little tough to move on to Sony, even though I am a big Sony fan! (My cell phone is a Sony Xperia, and we have 3 in our home, because it takes great photos for a cell phone!)
I think the Z6 is still the better option over the D780, especially considering the price point. You get the FTZ adapter for free, AND, it gives you focus peaking on older glass that now makes using them REALLY FUN again, PLUS, the silent mode is REALLY nice, and the AF is unbeatable! So silent and quick!
Love your videos, Tony and Chelsea! But, I have to disagree on this one.
I looked at the D750, and even the D850, and I still went for the Z6 over them. I do a lot of landscape photography, and at times wish I might have gone for the Z7, but when I do video, or very low light shoots, it's obvious that I made the right choice with the Z6.
I think Nikon is smart to continue to develop their mid- and higher end DSLR bodies, given the millions of dedicated Nikon customers who have Nikkor F-mount lenses. I have mostly moved over to mirrorless systems, but have held onto my Nikon equipment and would probably buy the successor to the D850 if and when it is released.
I have the Z6 and I love it. It suits me. But I also have the D750 and really I should sell it, but I just can't bring myself to let it go. There's something about it, for sure. At some point the resale value will be barely enough to make it worth the hassle of selling so it would be logical to get rid of it as soon as possible. But the emotional (yes, emotional) connection I have to that older D750 is strong.
What to do? Take the financial loss and keep a camera I don't use much these days, or part with something that feels like an old friend? If I did get rid of it I'd be so tempted to get its new big brother, the D780. And that would probably result in my wife leaving me, beating me, or harassing me for years to come :)
Should Nikon continue to develop F mount cameras and lenses? Is the pricing fair? I suspect there'll be a lot of different answers, none of which are likely to influence Nikon. For me, I think I'm all in on the Z system if I'm brutally honest. I just love it. Is it perfect? No, what is? Does it suit me? Ah, there's the thing - yes it does :D
If the D780 prediction is accurate, I will definitely buy one, as I have 5 Nikon DSLR cameras which I use almost daily, which I think are much better than their new mirrorless full frame counterparts. . How many pros at sporting events are using mirrorless cameras of any brand. . Very few!
I have a couple of Mirrorless cameras which are fun to use, but not when the action starts at any events e.g. weddings, red carpet, awards nights etc. They're just too cumbersome use on the fly, with complicated menus and fiddly buttons and wheels. Hopefully Nikon never give up on their F mount cameras and lenses!
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Ian Barnes you even heard about the a9 II? Yes that mirrorless blow away every dslr even after 5 years... pro are just to invested on canon/nikon lens and right now there isn’t any flagship mirrorless from those brand and even if there was one they are still way behind sony... wait 5 years when every brand will have a a9 ii level mirrorless and you won’t see any pro using dslr anymore. Also mirrorless are complicated? What you use man? Nikon are just dslr style without the mirror and all the advantage it give you leaving that mirror. Same menu same button same wheels... just give him some years because this is the first gen
Light Yagami, Yes I have heard of the Sony A9. . I used it at the launch in Sydney I was invited to by Sony. . it's great, very clever in so many ways, no blackout and silent shutter. . but you're still looking at a digital viewfinder. . the refresh rate of the top of the line Sony flash, which I bought, is much slower than the Nikon equivalent. . what type of photography work do you do?
Ian Barnes I do mostly portraits so I use off camera flash all the time. I suggest you to check out godox flash especially the v1 even for you’re nikon they cost 1/3, are more powerful and refresh rate is way faster vs any big brand flash (they use lithium battery also). There is very no reason to use anymore nikon or sony brand flash. The most thing I love about mirrorless is the digital viewfinder... I can see my exposure real time before I shot, see the histogram, zebra feature, peaking for manual lens and list go on
Just recently upgraded to a Z6. Love the edge 2 edge cover of autofocuspoints.
They eye AF could be better a bit more snappier but that’s not my point.
I think they should put their energy in developing the Z mount. I think mirrorless in general is the future.
There is just more handy features that make my life more easy. You dont need them to take a good photo but it makes it just more fun. Just like with all feautures you dont need an A or S mode n you camera but it is conveinint in some cases.
Like the remembering of the focus point when switching between landscape and portraitmode. Also love the toggle between video en stills mode.
Sure you can manual dial verything in each time but I just love not to have to.
I shoot corporate video’s and vlogs for artists. As well as a lot of stills So for me the video capabilities where also imported to me.
Never seen all this technology packed into a DSLR. I used to shoot on both a D300s and a D750.
"I think mirrorless in general is the future" .Sony figured that out 10 years ago.
Until Nikon can make a class leading mirror less they should continue to make their F mount.
I agree. But also people are getting obsessed with "mirrorless is the only future" mentalities. Nikon DSLRs are top of the line so an upgrade to one of their absolute best DSLRs is great. I hope they do at least one more major update to the D850 (800) line of cameras as well. I still have my baby D800, but would honestly love to have a several gen direct upgrade to it. Give me a 40mp-50mp, D800-style body that can do 4K 60fps video with in-body stabilization.
And I agree with Tony that a huge issue for Nikon is that their cameras are great and so many users have no real reason to upgrade. It's not like most of their DSLRs (especially the higher end ones) from the past 7-8 years are shit that don't give amazing results.
They just need to improve the autofocus and they are fine in mirrorless... they are already at d750 autofocus performance or even better but they are the last because sony af is just on a whole league by itself... canon and nikon can’t touch sony af right now but they are catching up fast with firmware. I’m a Sony shooter and I think next generation canon will be at sony level and maybe even nikon... remember those mirrorless are just the first gen and they are way better that the first sony gen or even second. In the end I’m just happy because competition from 3 big brand is just better for all us consumers
I'm sure they are. I definitely want a next gen either Nikon mirrorless or DSLR. My overall point is that even if their mirrorless bodies are their future I still am waiting a few more gens at least to upgrade at all. The 36mp D800 was/is SO much better in terms of image quality that I have had no real reason to upgrade. Obviously handling, focus, and iso have become better, but in a general sense none of these things would make my art/images that much better to justify an upgrade yet.
I guess you could say this is an issue for all camera makers, but it definitely will be interesting to see where Nikon does go over the next 5-10 years. Hopefully they continue to be one of the world's best camera makers.
They're not "dropping back to the F mount". Nikon have said from the launch of Z they are committed to both F and Z mounts to give customers the choice as everyone has different needs.
@@MrPiffSmiff They said exactly the same when released the Nikon 1 system in 2012, and after four years the entire product line was silently shut down.
Rumor has it the D780 won't have the bottom contact pins for a proper Battery/Vertical Grip. If that's the case then that's a spectacular "own goal" by Nikon themselves. It might be fine for a $1K camera but really unacceptable for a $2K camera. Just because Nikon made that mistake with their Z-series cameras doesn't mean that they should double down on it. Does this mean that Nikon thinks that the Battery/Vertical Grip is a "luxury" feature that only belongs to $5K "pro" models?
I might get a D780 to compliment my D800 and ditch my D7000
Just bought a new D850 for $1,999 from Hong Kong and I'll buy another one before I spend $2,000 on a D780. I'm riding the DSLR train as long as I possibly can
In 2020, no one pay $2200 for 24MP camera. Especially Nikon, the video focus is suck. 5 years ago, 24MP is ok. But 2020 I want at least 40MP or more. We want 4K no crop and good focus like Sony.
Couldn't agree more - especially without sensor stabilization! Who wants to spend that kind of money on a camera from a company that's going out of business????
I would. I have been researching this camera for a long time. I have a D750. And a D500. And have been dreaming about an upgrade to the D750 that would physically be similar to my D500, with more autofocus points that go out more toward the edge and a focus joystick and a deeper buffer and a battery grip and bigger pixels than the D850 that should be better in low-light. Unfortunately. This D780 does not check all those boxes. But if it did, and was released tomorrow for $2199 with the battery grip. I would buy one.
Kaioshin, what would you do with all those unnecessary pixels?
People marvel at how incredibly sharp their 65" 4k televisions look, yet they're looking at a massive screen that contains a mere 8mp.
On lots of videos about the D850, I've seen the reviewers zooming in to 3:1 to show how much detail is there but nobody will ever be viewing the photograph zoomed in like that, at least nobody other than the photographer who has fallen for the 'big numbers trap'.
Most pro photography could be done with a 12mp camera and no-one would ever know because in the majority of cases, the photograph will be viewed on a monitor not exceeding 8mp in resolution or in print at no more than A3.
GoneToHelenBach: I understand what you meant. But for me I shoot wide and crops to what I want. Plus I usually shoot 4K and recomposition my angle and renders out. The more information that I can captures the better for me. I zoom/pan my video a lot so it useful option. Ideally I should be shooting 8K but it’s way too expensive. Plus I wanted to freeze each frame and import into PhotoShop to edits then export back into the time line. I’m just doing crazy stuffs that’s all. Plus I’m watching it on my 4K 300” movie screen.
@@KaioshinAemi Okay, well you want what you want and if you prefer to shoot photographs wide and crop afterwards, rather than framing properly in the first place, then fair enough but my 21mp D500 shoots 4k video and your 300" movie screen is still only 8mp because that's roughly the resolution of 4k, regardless of the screen size.
I just upgraded from the D5600 to Z7, im into landscape so it works amazing. If Nikon would hurry up and implement the sony focus system which we know they could have access to if they wanted to and bump the fps that mirrorless can shoot, they would capture a chunk of the market back, also 2 card slots lol haha.
Given the huge install base of F-mount lenses (including many screw drive D lenses), I expect both DSLR and mirrorless platforms to coexist for years to come. There may be fewer new DSLR bodies to come, and mostly in the high end or pro range.
I don't think Nikon is big enough to maintain two camera systems. Even giant Sony has stopped spending R&D money into A-mount system for four years now. They released four A - to E mount adapters in 2013 when A7 and A7R were announced. Two of the adapters had screw-driver AF motors to support all Minolta A-mount lenses ever made. Nikon released an FTZ without an AF motor, a pathetic decision, showing Nikon's management attitude towards its customers.
I don't think Nikon is big enough to maintain two camera systems. Even giant Sony has stopped spending R&D money into A-mount system for four years now. They released four A - to E mount adapters in 2013 when A7 and A7R were announced. Two of the adapters had screw-driver AF motors to support all Minolta A-mount lenses ever made. Nikon released an FTZ without an AF motor, a pathetic decision, showing Nikon's management attitude towards its customers.
Frank Woodbery - I don’t think Nikon has the resources to maintain two systems. Yes, the F-mount is a little small, and that can be a bit of a constraint compared to the Canon EF. But Nikon is going to keep making F lenses anyways, so they might as well concentrate their limited resources on keeping that well-established system competitive. There’s a lot of Nikon glass starting to show its age, especially with the insane sensor resolutions. Even little Leica has gone and updated much of its M-mount lenses. The Z-system is a good idea from a technical standpoint, but it’s a waste of resources that could be better put towards putting out products people actually buy.
@@ClockworksOfGL and Miklos Nemeth - Of course nobody knows but a Nikon insider. I would only speculate that Nikon will completely abandon consumer COOLPIX cameras and the low end 3XXX and 5XXX cameras very soon. But the upper-end enthusiast cameras (like this D7XX, the D5XX, the D8XX), the pro bodies D5 and D6 should be around for a long time. Too many lenses and existing professional user base to simply abandon them. As far as maintaining two platforms - Fujifilm has their crop bodies, and their quasi-medium format GFX. And now Panasonic has both the M4:3 and their FF bodies. And probably others. It can be done. Nikon will just reduce the number of SKUs and redeploy their R&D resources to more profitable products.
@@ClockworksOfGL "The Z-system is a good idea from a technical standpoint, but it’s a waste of resources that could be better put towards putting out products people actually buy." Exactly this was the point of this video. Nikon wasted 1 year, almost on the edge of going bankrupt. Nikon cannot do another year with this pathetic Z sales performance, I guess. Just remember the Nikon 1 product line. It was just two years ago, Nikon is still under the financial shock of the money they lost on that project.
thanks for this great update...As a long time Nikon user, currently working with a D750, I am wed to the F mount... although the mirror-less sounds great the big consideration for me is not just the cost of the body but also the cost of replacing the glass. My current D700 and D750 both need mid life services and will then last another good few years ... but a good upgrade at the right price point could be an option...
D780 makes no sense, especially at those price points. Instead, buy the Z6 for less, with the free adapter, and have more versatility and a better camera. Your charts are pretty Tony, but we need to look to the future, not the past. With a Z6 you can start investing (?) in the future.
More importantly, you need to compare the management philosophies of Sony and Nikon. Sony is providing as much innovative technology in their camera’s as possible and has aggressive pricing. Nikon limits technology, sticking to the old school “if they want more, they have to buy the more expensive model”, and then gouges their existing base to cover bad management decisions. Sure, stabbing the existing base may prolong their slow death, but only a change in philosophy at the highest ranks will save them. This camera screams Nikon isn’t there yet and shows no signs of improvement.
Remember “That Nikon Guy”? Well, he’s all ‘growed up’ and just made a video touting the benefits of Sony! And he’s not alone.
For the record, I’m heavily invested in Nikon gear and love what I have, but it’s not what I’d recommend for someone building a new system.
I’ve noticed that Tony and others point out that bcecause nikon is reducing prices on the Z series they are in trouble but never say that about sony which does the same thing.
If Nikon thinks they can charge that much for a new DSLR in 2020 they might be right, Im getting a D850 this year even if Nikon has no future.
In my work as a photographer, I use a Sony A7 mirror-less range camera, one Canon EOS M Mark One and 2 Nikon camera's for photographic work. They all have feature's I love and hate and for me all this is like comparing apples with pear's. If I had to choose, I'd keep the Sony and the Canon. As for the time being, Canon and Nikon missed the mirror-less train. Feature's are great in a camera, but we photographer's can make a piece of art with a Kodak Instamatic from bygone days. This is what matters, the vision, the rest is just technology.
Have a nice time time to discuss camera's and spend more time to take great picture's.
Why does no one ever seem to mention the D810. It’s an awesome camera and very affordable second hand.
Because it was more expensive than D750 so not many people have it and don't know how or if it's good.
Milan Medek I don’t know how many were produced but it would be a lot. A lot of people would have them. When it was released it was praised as a Nikon flagship camera. But for some reason it almost never gets a mention. Probably because UA-cam channels can’t provide a B&H or Amazon selling link to make money. Sceptical me thinks it’s simply about the dollars 💰
For the price the 750 is much better
Ivan Kiefer How do you figure that 🤔 You can get a great D850 for about $1,500 probably less in the U.S.
@@aussie8114 you can get a750 for 800 almost half of the price and the 810 is not twice the camera. Pixels are the only difference and the 750 has higher fps and little advantage in low light. I mean the d810 is a great camera but in a difficult position right now.
Nothing wrong with still loving DSLRs. I still love mine. Manufacturers are too focused on making mirrorless cameras smaller. They aren't focused on what they really need. DSLRs are still amazing cameras. Mirrorless cameras dont offer any more image quality than DSLRs do. As for Nikons F mount, it doesnt matter that it's old. The F mount is tried and true and this is coming from a Canon user.
As I concider moving up to a D750 from my D5300, now I'm going to sit tight and be hoping for a D750 price drop. Doesn't look like enough reasons to go to the 780. I'll spend the cash on lenses instead. Of course if someone buys my D5300, that'll force my hand to buy the 750 sooner.
I bought my D750 half year ago and I am very happy with it. I will stick to DSLR for quite a bit longer.
I had to allow myself a wry grin when Tony confessed they've gone back to recording in HD. It has been clear to me for a long time that 4k isn't needed in most circumstances. As to the D780, it has also been clear to me that the DSLR ain't dead for a long time yet. Will it kill the Z6 no, it won't. This is aimed at content creators and will eat into the higher priced competition. The key to Nikon's success will be shareability of components under the skin.
What higher priced competition? Tony said they are selling it for 2 grand......That seems expensive for a camera like this, especially when you have the fujifilm xt3 and sony a7iii out in the wild for cheaper.
I am surprised by the 4K statement. Even though I have got a 4K monitor I watch most UA-cam videos in 720p because most of them are mostly narrative videos like the ones from Tony with no real benefit when using higher resolution but having less bandwidth and better playing forward performance when using lower res. Also UA-cam makes the 4K version later available than the 1080p or 720p version so early viewers don't even have the option to watch 4K. So on one hand no surprise to me that Tony's video aren't watched in 4K. But e.g. for landscape videos 4K is the way to go otherwise you could argue the same way that most people don't need more than 2MP for still photos as most people watch on smartphone and PC ... how weird would that be?
@@stefanwagener To my eye the jump in quality from 720 to 1080 is pretty significant, and im on a 1080 monitor.. If you are working with a 4k monitor I guess it depends on how good the upsampling of non 4k content is on your screen.
Even if you do have a 4K capable monitor, UA-cam only streams 4K for Google's Chrome browser. No thanks. The loss of my privacy isn't worth the resolution upgrade.
Excellent post as in most cases from this channel. At 8:39 you mentioned dropping back from 4K down to HD. You mentioned that working with HD is simpler, sure, but wasn't the real reason, honestly, Tony, that the Canon EOS R you are using is not capable of shooting full sensor 4K?
Nikon should be moving full steam ahead with mirrorless and I disagree that this is a good business decision. The nearly two year old A7 III already crushes this camera and the A7 IV will be releaed soon and will surely be improved over the III. What they should be doing is releasing better versions of their Z cameras and stop wasting money developing DSLRs. There will be plenty of great DSLRs on the used market for years to come if anyone still wants that. Nikon has the heritage to make a truly competitive and compelling mirrorless camera. When people see this, it gives them no confidence in Nikon’s future as an innovator and they will continue to switch to other systems in droves - just like what’s been already happening in the last few years. At this point it’s pretty sad watching Nikon drop the ball time after time and it’s unsustainable.
For professionals and rich enthusiasts, but for the average bloke? I am already waiting to buy this. I dont want to spend 4k on a mirrorless and I like all my nice f mounts. Plus I can't afford storage for 65 mp raw files
Tony said only 2% of Nikon users use Nikon Mirroless...(so it must be true?); so it kinda makes sense to placate their F-Mount DSLR users since that's obviously where the current money is spent. Abandon F-Mount users, Nikon crashes out of existence.
Rick Kadar the reason why Nikon users haven’t invested in the Z system is because Nikon hasn’t offered anything compelling or competitive or with features pros need. The lenses have taken a while to release and nothing exciting in terms of fast glass(the Noct is not it). Two card slots are a big deal for pros especially wedding and event shooters and they didn’t offer that. The autofocus is behind what competitors offer. Professionals already shooting Nikon who didn’t jump ship to other brands saw no reason to buy into Nikon mirrorless yet. Many have lost patience like myself and left for better and more exciting camera technology. I think with limited resources Nikon is losing an opportunity here. Release something exciting both in terms of bodies and lenses and not only will Nikon DSLR users most likely upgrade their aging bodies to Nikon mirrorless but even different brand users may be attracted to the system. I’m sorry but I don’t see the D780 being a hit in this day and age.
Don't know why Nikon wouldn't make mirrorless with the standard F mount. People would upgrade their bodies without having to spend extra to upgrade lenses or buy an adaptor.
I was waiting for something like that, But then I bought the Z6, i think its a big mistake on Nikons Part to Compete with their great Z line. What they should do is, to speed up the process in releasing their Z Mount Lenses.
Exactly rather spend your money on the Z system
There is still money to be made in DSLRs, they are still selling F6s. Mirrorless is not going anywhere, when Nikon decides they have no choice they can jump on the Mirroless thing full time and add whatever they need to because they wont have to worry about killing DSLR sales. If Sony was the only game in town, Canon, Nikon, Panasonic and even Olympus would have been out of business a long time ago.
Thanks Tony for the post. I think so Nikon still grab market if they will apply few things in their future cameras, it just my thought. 1. Provide full cover of AF points in OVF so we can move AF point any where in view finder like we can do in Zs 2. Add in body stabilization ( not required it must be mirrorless). 3. Really bigger buffer and new processing chip with more faster response time. 4. Keep DSLR AF point system as it was in D850, and D500 specifically there we were getting D9, D25, Group AF (Not required this new crap Wide S, L and AF-F though it is kind of same but something wrong in that). Just keep on following Nikon older basics instead of simply copy Sony AF system, we really don't want that we want that build hybrid body that have some DSLR function and some mirrorless. About Z mount that is fine we like that and adapter is good working fine with most all lenses so even we get new hybrid body with Z mount then no issues. Really issues with Zs they simply don't have processing power to handle, EVF, AF tracking and shutter fire. Really hopping best from D6 as that suppose to be hybrid one, finger cross and just trash Zs into garbage as they don't have process power at all.
As a D4 / Z7 user, the most interesting DSLR to me would be a new D500, for wildlife photography. D780 sounds good though, but not for me.
I also agree a D500 replacement is needed at some point in 2020
@@davetv13 A D5xx BSI Dx sensor will be a dream camera
You may be disappointed with a D500 for wildlife coming from a D4 unless you have a lot of sunny bright days.
@@jacobl6572 I thought it was supposed to be very good + the crop gives a bit more zoom.
Up till a few months ago, I was a serious old die-hard DSLR photographer but now after experiencing fuji mirrorless, I could never go back to DSLR.
I own a d750 and I love this camera but the Z6 system was the perfect choice for me and my videos. 4k, stabilization, and raw output with hdmi and ninja atomos. Really high level with not so high cost. With these specs you don't need SD cards at all.
I will pick up another D750 as the price drops , so I don’t have to change lens -)
Love my Z7. Used the d810 for a long time, so when they did mirrorless with a great mount adapter for my lenses it seemed like a no brainer. I don’t do wildlife or sports, so I don’t see any issues with the autofocus. I use it in a variety of ways, as my subjects are always pretty still.
As far as image quality, I don’t know how you couldn’t be satisfied. Especially with z mount lenses
My D750 will soldier on. Maybe if D780 came with stabilisation I might think it was worth upgrading as it would be nice to get some extra stops out of my old F-mount lenses. That said good to see a revised “pro” reflex coming out of Nikon. But remember I’m the saddo who still digs out 35mm SLRs to shoot with when the mood takes me.
D850 sales are still excellent, its still the best all round camera ever made and probably the pinnacle of the DSLR. I imagine the D780 will continue this trend, and sell very well.
The image quality in this video is stunning! Much improved. I want to know what you used... when you said is 1080p and not 4K I was really surprised 😱
I just want more focus points closer to the edge for portraits and I'll be happy
Well being a senior on a fixed income, I'II keep my D500 ( I love this camera compared to my old D90) And with my 17-55 F2.8 DX, 85 f3.5 Micro DX, 70 -200 F2.8 FX and 200 - 500 f5.6 FX I have my dream camera system. I am a believer it's not the camera that makes the great picture, it's the person behind it. I alway's remember many years ago when in college I worked part time doing race track finish photo's ( winning horse, jockie and owners). The fellow I worked for had two Hasselblad 500ELM with 120 roll back and 80mm Planar lens cameras. He always complained to me about my photo's being just that very little bit crisper. Problem was he wouldn't admit he needed glasses LOL !!
There are still many wildlife photographers like me don't want to switch - Mirrorless body simply too light for a heavy glass and tracking still not as good as DSLR if track medium and small bird inflight!
Vault Boy Correction, Nikon Z mirrorless tracking not as good as drsl.
For Wildlife by a Sony A9 with the best AF in the Camera World 😊
TALK is EASY, SONY boys show me some swallow and medium birds inflight. Dont just post big raptors inflight online, it didnt mean anything. I can get that big bird with my point n shoot!
The problem with the Z system is that there is no D750 alike alter-native and its all becouse the 1xqd slot if Nikon would made the Z6 with 2 SD slots it would be a win for them but they decided on the xqd so a lot of wedding photographers and enthusiasts do not bother with the Z system. I have been waiting for a mirrorles replacement for about 2 years and i am still waiting but now with in one foot i am in the Fuji system becouse i had a joice buy the xt3 with a good lens or buy a Nikon Z6 that will not give me a backup option and the money i could spend on a lens i would have to spend on the new xqd Cards. And the new d780 if it wont have any special upgrades wont be a sails hit like the d750 had been. People want mirrorles but not crippled like the Z6 is and the Z7. Give me a damn D750 with Z mount and without a mirror and with a better AF system and i will buy 2 the next day it's in the shop and live the xqd slot for users that need them or want them in a D5, D6 or D850 body. The d750 always was a enthusiast camera in some cases used by pros that was its strength.
2200$ !!!! That’s close to the price of a D850 (no grey market) in Germany!
I've had three Sony mirrorless bodies, plus three Fuji bodies. Went back to using my Nikon, (d500 & d850). No more stress. Perfect focus in almost any light & great colour. Concentrating on subject instead of swearing at the camera. I keep my Fuji's as an alternate but feel so less stressed since switching back to DSLR last year.
A mirrorless D780 is what the Z6 should have been.
I noticed the difference in your video as soon as it started. What camera are you using?
I purchased a Z7 w/ 24-70 f2.8 and I love it!
I have been a photographer for over 50 years starting Kodak Brownie camera.
I could never use any camera with one card slot and I say this from lessons leaned the hard way, otherwise I would be using a Z camera right now. My 750 has been my workhorse and has produced thousands of great images. I'm in no hurry to upgrade, but I'm sure I will eventually.
How have you backed up before digital?
@@alexanderhartmann7950I shot 4x5 backups that were held back from the process run every job. When shooting roll film I lost jobs due to lab failures and I did lose a couple of rolls along the way. I never want that feeling again.
I would like to hear their reasoning on why they went to the Z mount unless they thought it would increase sales from the DSLR customer base (D750, D850, etc) who wanted the Z system and felt the need to purchase new lenses from their former F mount system. As a D850 owner, I wouldn't gain much from the Z7 as I don't shoot video and I do not want to rely on one card slot. Also, adding extra batteries to my kit will eat up some of the weight differentials between the D850 and the Z7. Again, I don't personally see any gain in switching.
I’m really in no rush to go mirrorless. I’m gonna focus on buying more quality glass.
Nice comparison/speculation, Tony! As a former Nikon man who moved to Fujifilm several years back because of the ergos of the X-T1, plus, their stellar Fujinon optics, had I stayed with Nikon, I likely would have gone with the mirroless Z System, despite still having my Nikkormat FT3 and a few Nikkor lenses. I am simply getting better sharpness and image detail with the Fuji X-System than I ever did with my admittedly old Nikon System...though I have not tested their Z-System cameras/lenses.
From a hobbyist perspective the advantage of the D750 this year has been the very low price. The D780 doesn't have this advantage.
I use my old 35-70 2.8d as a walk-around lens on my Z 6 quite often, which works pretty well, since with static subjects I have plenty of time to work the focus ring and joystick to get my composition. I get less noise and image stabilization over my D7200, plus immediate transfer to my phone with the improved connectivity, along with a tilting touchscreen that lets me "shoot from the hip" whenever I want. Those things were my deciding factor in buying the Z 6 over a D750 for full frame. When I'm shooting landscapes on a tripod, either camera works just fine. If I were a wedding photographer, I would pick up a D750, rather than a D780, based on cost to performance with no meaningful improvements for that use case. When the day comes that there are no more D750's left to purchase, I suppose the D780 would be the obvious choice for the wedding and event photographer, if someone wanted to stay with their existing glass and not switch systems. I would think, though, that in the meantime, an improved Z camera will have arrived that addresses all the current issues and would be the better successor to replace a worn out D750. Rather than regress to an F mount dslr, they should regress the Z to a two sd card storage format, develop an adaptor with a screw drive for the tens of thousands of AF-D lenses still being used on a regular basis, incorporate the pop-up flash of the Z 50 and provide a vertical grip with full controls. If they were to do those things, along with regular software refinements to AF, buffer, ISO and so forth, they would guarantee their future in the camera division for years to come.
I think Nikon heading in the right direction developing more DSLR cameras with the F-mount, I have no interest in a mirrorless camera from any manufacturer. Lets see what they do for an upgrade on the D850 which I own. If the only added features to the D860/? is a Sony 61MP sensor, I won't be upgrading.
I've been looking at upgrading my D750 to a Z6 for about a year now. The biggest issue for me is ability to shoot video in 4k which the D780 would take care of. I have a D500, but the 2x crop makes its 4k video unusable.
The main other decision point is the size difference and I'm attracted to the smaller size of the Z6 for outdoor work but have concerns about its battery life relative to a DSLR. When you are 2 weeks in the bush you have to bring several extra batteries or an external power supply. The EVF worries me for its constant battery drain even though it takes almost as many shots as a DSLR, I can't help but think that accidentally leaving it on will result in charge loss whereas a DSLR this doesn't happen. Still if it came down to 1 or 2 extra batteries, its smaller size could compensate for that.
For pricing, the new D780 looks like it will cost about the same as a Z6 but given I don't have to buy the adapter to use my existing lens line up so I think it still works out cheaper than the Z6. I really don't care if it has one or two SD slots and prefer the XQD slot having used it in my D500. Ultimately, the new D780 will have me thinking closely about whether to upgrade to the mirrorless system.
On brand loyalty. I've been with Nikon since 1992. I doubt I'll ever change companies for bodies unless Nikon folds. I'm happy buying high end off-brand glass though which is another reason the Z-system is less attractive. It seems from my reading that a lot of off-brand lenses won't autofocus with the Z-adapter.
I feel like there was SO much potential for a D750 update and Nikon put in as little effort as possible... Incredibly disappointed in this prediction...
It's strange that right now it seems like the most electronically advanced Nikon body in the lineup is the D500.
I'd really like to see an entry level full frame with a better processor and focusing system than the 610 or 750. Right now the electronic guts and focus systems of the three digit line don't really beat my 5500 by much, which makes it hard to justify the move to full frame.
(My go to lens right now is the Tamron 35-150, so I keep feeling like I should step up.)
Also, I just spent 800 bucks on that lens, so I'm not really ready to give up f mount.
I love my 2 D750's and will use them for weddings and portraits and even sports until they die. The one thing I saw about the D780 that I hate is that it won't have contacts for a vertical grip. That one thing will put me off purchasing one for as long as possible instead of looking to upgrade before my 750's are un-repairable.
Yea I'm same on canon side. I have no problems with my DSLR. They are far from dead
Tony, I shoot with a 850 and the 780 would make a great backup, especially with the improved live view. Thanks great video
I'll stay with an "F Mount" as long as it is still available in the market.
After frustrations with my Sony a7ii IBIS, I brought out my old D300s a few months ago as a backup, which then ended up bing my primary shooter a few times. I decided for plenty of reasons, I'm coming back to Nikon. I still have some glass, sadly old AF-D glass, so most of it won't autofocus on mirorless, which in some ways I don't mind but I'm not thrilled about either. So I got myself a D700 that I found for cheap, and Z6 to see if it will outperform a7ii with adapted glass... I'm probably not alone in that Nikon would not have temporarily lost me, had they simply released FTZ adapter that can autofocus AF-D lenses. Seriously, instead of people spending money on megadap Leica M to Z adapter and then another one to adapt whatever to Leica M, just so they can use AF-D and other lenses on the otherwise lovely Z6 (I love the grip on Z6 and button layout placement is much much better, always has been, on Nikon, than any other camera I've tried, though Sony did get close, but not close enough), if Nikon just made sure to give people who have decades of nikon lenses an adapter that would fit AF-D lenses too, I'm sure Nikon would be in a much better position. Heck, Sony did do that for those who have old screw driven AF lenses, so I reckon it shouldn't be that hard to accomplish...
Anyway, I'll likely add 780 to my collection one day. It seems like a great in between F and Z bridge camera.
D750 for me!! Just waiting for drop in price.
You will not be sorry...
Thanks for all the hard work/reviews in 2019! Happy New Years... I’ll be watching in 2020
I have a lot of f mounts, so this is good news. Also 24mp is all I need. I am not, nor will I ever be a pro so to many MP is just impractical.
Pros don't need more than 24mp.
@@GoneToHelenBach Wildlife photographers like to have more resolution for cropping. So some pros do need more than 24 MP.
I take a lot of wedding photos and sometimes I see a better photo inside a larger photo and crop the heck out of it. That's when I need more pixels.
Great vid. Nikon should just continue to make DSLRs better. the delta between the D750 and D780 is not enough to switch for many people as there will be a big price difference. I just heard that the D780 will not be compatible with any vertical grips - if that is true - it will not be attractive to D750 pros. I actually think the release of the D780 is a convincer to keep the D750. It is well worth the money and does more than enough for someone who wants to stay Nikon for the lenses and for the long term. What do you think about making the D780 incompatible with a vertical grip? Good or bad move?
I’m still saving for a D850 - upgrading from my D810 and D610 - cameras that I truly love. I have no interest in mirrorless. Yet.
The D850 is fantastic.
Have a ton or mirrorless from Canon, Nikon, Panasonic. The 850 may still be my favorite. It’s amazing....
yes, they should continue to also focus and DSLR. There are a lot of us who prefer them over mirrorless and we shouldn't be "forced" by the market to switch to mirrorless. By the way, do you know if there are any studies to weather or not the EVF in a mirrorless camera affects the eye, because we are talking about a very small screen/display that is very close to the eye and we all know tv's, computers, smartphones are bad for your eyes and the smaller the screen and the closer your eye is tot it, the more damage it does. I would like to hear your thoughts on this topic. thanks
Still enjoying my D7200, might look at a D750 in a few years.
Is it worth the upgrade, I really see the d750 as a full frame version of the 7200, you loose the NFC and same MP, and 7200 has 1/8000 shutter
I love my D7200. I bought a new lens for it this Christmas. I've paired it with a G85 for video. I'm good. No need to spend more money now.
My D7200 is also great. I keep looking for the next body, but the ideal upgrade doesn’t exist yet.
My D7200 with the sigma 18-35 f1.8 should actually have as good or better low light performance than a Z6 with the 24-70 f4. The Z6 with a f2.8 zoom is multiple times more expensive than the D7200 setup.
The Z6 is a lot of money to spend on a camera that doesn’t have two card slots, a grip option, and has a ways to go on autofocus vs Sony.
Z50 isn’t a path to buying full frame Z lenses and eventually a Z6 mark ll because neither the Z lenses nor Z50 have stabilization. It also doesn’t have focus shifting for macro photography and doesn’t support a MIOPS external trigger since it doesn’t have a port.
I wish the D780 had expanded the focal point area and I want a vertical grip, so it is less appealing at the price.
The D750, D780, Z50 and Z6 are great cameras, but they each have features the others don’t have. None of them are the complete package yet. Maybe the Z6 mark ll will be the camera.
..until then, my D7200 is a surprisingly great camera.
I did purchase this camera coming from a D7500. I find the focusing works quite well and the colors need minimal adjusting if any. Great camera.
You forgot to mention that the D780 won't have a battery grip. One step forward two steps back ...
Probably based on sales of the battery grip it's really not that hard to carry a couple of extra batteries anyway
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It’s for me not only the point of an extra battery.
A battery grip is for me essential for the better handling (for me) and the better control for vertical shoots.
@@nikonian9700 - Exactly!
Tony, something you forgot to mention:
1. AF performance advantage of DSLR AF system vs mirrorless in some situations.
2. The ability of D780 to utilize silent shooting (vs D750 and D850). This could have a big appeal to wedding and event photographers who still demand two card slots.
I would like to see a joystick on the back of D780. If that is done, D780 has a potential of being a better everyday camera than D850.
Insightful Tony I was incredulous at your predication but thought it likely you had been tipped off by something a Nikon rep had said, I really like the Z series particularly the 50 ( I have a D300) but the 50 has a terrible lens line up, I suspect a lot of buyers are hanging out for the Z6/7 MKII given the strides made by Sony for the same, (unwise?). So yes Nikon need to reanimate the corpse of the F mount D series with Zombie upgrades to harvest some Wonga and the drift to Sony /Fuji as much as possible until the rev their cameras to similar autofocus performance and spec.
That's funny you mentioned the camera you're using for this video because I'm watching this on a new Toshiba TV and I was blown away by the sharpness and clarity of your face. So yeah 4k isn't that big of a deal. This is my first 4k TV and thought "Wow yeah maybe 4k is much better"
I’d like to see a mirrorless f-mount body...
To use the space between mount and sensor for what?
Alexander Hartmann Stash a spare battery? No seriously, that’s had me thinking, is there really anything I can’t do with what I have...
The dSLR cameras of Canon or Nikon aren't dead yet. They have an amazing variety of native and third party lenses at good prices and most older photographers are fully accustomed to this technology. The technology of SLR and subsequent dSLR cameras became popular during early 60's when it started to replace the older technology of full frame rangefinder and medium format twin-lens reflex cameras. One way or another the mirrorless technology is the future. The only relic of the film era is the mechanical shutter but the electronic shutter is becoming more efficient years by year.
My New D810 is in the mail :) .....
B&H offers the D850 at a lower price than the D810
@@JimBateyPhotography So why is that? The D810 is the only Nikon DSLR that has a very low noise shutter release w/o using the live view. Maybe the D6 will come close or even better; there you will have to pay a fortune, though.
TONY if you can, please test the focus acquisition of the D780 vs D850 vs D750 with sports or birds in flight with busy backgrounds, so far we have no tests, thanks.
Still using D610 for Photos (weddings) and my Sony 7III for Wedding Videos.. and happy
That sound like a good combination two really great cameras for sure.
I bought my d750 back in May of last year. I bought it new along with 2 lenses. At the moment I don't need a d850 even though I'd love to have one. The d780 would be a great second body or upgrade later. From rumors I've heard it's like a full frame version of a d500 but better ISO than the d850. I wonder if it will have the same sensor as the new d6. I think you are right about it making sense that they would come out with this. One reason why people aren't jumping into the Z series is because there's not enough glass. The other reason is that not many want the first gen mirrorless. But here's the thing about the Z glass, they may be better than the F mount glass but are they better enough to the point that pros would give up what they already use to go to the new lenses? I think if a person is heavily invested into Nikon glass already they probably won't switch anytime soon. I think new shooters or people going from crop bodies with kit lenses might go straight to the Z series since they aren't invested in F glass. So far I really like my d750. I think going to the d780 would make more sense for me.