I just got the game and added some 50 mods including NIArms and all CUP/RHS/etc mods and I barely have 40 gigs used. Meanwhile other games these days clock in at 80 gigs minimum. It's not really *that* bad.
Henry Klee That's because the RHS content is meant to only work with other RHS content, whereas CUP is using vanilla scripts and such which makes it better in case you want to run more mods at the same time. Is your unit purely interested in US Army/Russia and willing to download more mods if necessary? RHS is the way to go. Do you want to be able to make various scenarios without having to change the modpack as well as be able to make your own mods? CUP. Though I admit that it's not an easy choice to choose between those two. After several years of using RHS, SMA and ton of other mods our unit has recently switched to CUP and it suits us very well.
toadie2k are the reload animations for NIArms still scuffed. I mean I haven’t played with them in about a month but when I left them all Assault rifles didn’t have reload animations and so I stopped using the mod.
The 7.62 SCAR in the SMA mod is hands down my fav mod weapon in the game! Such a badass pop and report from it. Ni-Arms and RHS, all very good stuff but SMA - for me - is always loaded on my list.
I like RHS's 7.62 Scars more because they are kinda more colourfull,SMA's Scars are a bit too dull when it comes to colour but however they still do the job right.
Another great video mate. Entertaining and informative too. If I had to make a suggestion though, there are some pretty long segments where both the camera and the subject are constantly moving. Might just be a matter of taste, but I find it a bit too frenetic. Maybe you could break it up a little with some more "locked off" shots? Particularly for a video on weapons, a few slow, panning close ups might slow things down a bit and then the contrast would make the action sequences stand out a bit more as well. Again, just my two cents mate. Keep up the fine work! Hope you're getting some sleep :)
The Russian uniforms in the RHS pack always looked off to me. It's like they came from the 1960s while the US uniforms were all up to date. Just a personal thing. I like that RHS split up their packs though, makes it easier to pick and choose
The British weapons that resemble M4s are not actually American. They are instead Canadian C8 Carbines. The C8, although nearly the same, are generally better suited for cold weather than the American rifles off which they are based.
tactician here(name change): little late but tyvm on the showcase of the XAR-14, i have picked the project back up with a friend of mine to officially finish the project and iron out the kinks.
I am so glad you did this video! As expected high quality content and great information provided. Thank you for your time making this video, hope your family are doing well at the moment!
The problem with CUP is balancing. Most of the cup rifles are way to accurate (I'm talking 0.2 Mil for a short barrel M4). They feel unrealistic and have very low recoil. The CUP AK109 with the Vanilla AK12 mags has 901rpm, absolutely zero recoil and downs heavily armored infantry with 1 or max. 2 hits.
@@henryklee680 after shot, when piston moves back it also pushes special piece of metal forward. It compensates most of the recoil force. See ua-cam.com/video/lJs9sBBjLls/v-deo.html
Ha, whats funny is I JUST, like no shit a week ago, discovered that this was a thing on UA-cam. It takes maybe 5 minutes to setup, I'm not sure why more UA-camrs don't use this feature. I appreciated the hell out of it when I found it so I will from here on out be using them. :)
Be aware, RHS's Russian Faction under ACE medical has 6b13 steel armour. It will stop normal 50cal rounds. Only SMA weapons can cause effective damage to people who wear it.
I have been playing modded arma for a few months now and i wish i would have watched more of your videos when I first started! Luckily i had a friend who told me about RHS and a few other good mods But in this video i still found atleast 2 good Mods that me and my friend will play around with and will enjoy, Thanks man!
As a sniper I would have loved a full sniper only mod but seems it's not out there, still I have cup and rhs and my wet sniping dream became true in this game. This is why I fell in love with arma
I use Blast refract. Found here: forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/221306-refraction-blast-wave/ It's not on the workshop, you have to install it manually and load it as a local mod. But it's awesome. :)
As always, fantastic content 👍🏼. This is undoubtedly THE Channel to watch for ARMA 3 👀. Even for Ground pounders like me 💂🏻😂! Keep it up my Man...! 👏🏼💯😎
Gabriel is right, I do use Blastcore. However, the shock wave you're seeing is called Blast Refract and it's not on the workshop. A subscriber recommended it to me, you have to download and install it manually and load it as a local mod, but that's pretty easy. Download here: forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/221306-refraction-blast-wave/
@@Viper1Zero Thanks! I actually know taro8, he's the Eastern European sounding guy in my Liberation videos. I'll have to hit him about this. Keep up the quality vids man!
I’m the only one who doesn’t like SMA? I’m a NIarms fan. BTW, the SPS Weapons are awesome, HK416/417, AI AXMC, LAC LW-AMG and recently the VP9 are superb.
Not every mod is for everyone. Admittadly, SMA's lack of variation of weapon sounds keeps me from using it on the regular, but it's still a great mod! Thanks for the recommendations, I'll check these out!
I kidna still feel the same about CUP, visuals are fine now, not that I particularly care a lot about that, but they feel weird, especially when it comes to dmg output, but that's just my opinion
Thanks for including my Mk23! Check out my Splinter Cell FiveSeven if you have the chance. The ACE mod is necessary for the visible laser, however you don't actually need to run ACE for the mod to work.
Roanoke Thank you for your awesome work! Ok that makes sense, I was wondering if maybe it was an older requirement and just didn’t get updated or something. Lol I’ll definitely give the FiveSeven a look!
Idk man. Between cup and RHS it's a tough choice if I had to choose only one. Cup has some decent rail attachments that RHS doesn't offer. I honestly just use both the main go to for our group of friends has been tier 1 weapons ever since we found that mod a few months back. Love the M-lok handguards and it has the money at up to date optics and rail attachments.
Both CUP and RHS are amazing creators and provide very solid mods. The only reason the split exists is because of the sheer amount of duplication you get if trying to run both. Quite honestly I like the weapons in RHS better, but CUP has better mechanics for their vehicles and far better uniforms, at least when it comes to Russian forces.
I don't get it.. I unstalled all these realism mods but even if I only enable 1 no server allows me to join anymore... What's the point of mods if.you can't use them online..
My personal favorite weapon mod is the Russian Alpha AK by SweetJason... it is a perfect representation of what the AK can be and is very capable at close to mid range definitely worth the download and it has a cool backstory.
Hello I'm here for another GREAT video. I hope all is going well for you!. Also Idk if you yet thought about adding me on discord. But that doesn't matter nice video!
Hey Viper I have a question is there any way to keep the vanilla sniping(just zeroing distance no wind and humidity) even with ace installed? (On both singleplayer and mp)?
Hey Viper, I've installed quite a lot of mods from Steam workshop (mostly from your recommendation) , after I installed mods and lauching the game I got an error message. "Addon "cba_common" requires addon "A3_Data_F_Mod_Loadorder" After clicking ‘okay’ the game crashes. Is there a way I can resolve this issue?
just shouting out one you may missed, SPS mods. Worth a look, some nice stuff: SPS-Weapons steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1069692316 SPS Equipment steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1187306764 SPS AI AXMC Sniper Rifle Series steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1510335080 also other items, like vests, ACE compatibility, etc., etc.
Do these weapon mods come with their own ammo and attachments too?, or do I need to find standalone mods for them? I know this question might sound stupid but I want to be sure since I'm downloading the big NIArms All In One weapons mod
Not a stupid question at all, in fact its a very good question that I should have mentioned in the video. Most of the mods come with their own ammo types, however there are compatibility mods that allow ammo from a certain mod to be used by other modded weapons, for example most weapons mods have an RHS and CUP compat mod that allows their mod to use RHS and CUP ammo. Servers really only tend to run one or the other to help mitigate mod mismatch and ammo issues, though.
anyone knows how to fix the lag/ stuttering on Arma 3 Contact and Arma 3 Old Man??? only these two i got lag and stuttering but the rest of the missions campaign are running smooth.
DCS is the best flight sim out there, hands down. If you're looking for some great ground combat and some so-so air combat (but still fun), Arma 3 is there for you lol.
@@Viper1Zero Lol Thanks for the info. Yes I agree DCS is insane. I main the Tomcat and i'm having good times with the Spitfire now. But gotta scratch an itch with the Armalite Rifles. Especially the KAC SR-25. Off topic but i'm shooting to go enlisted with the Air Force. If that doesn't fly well i'll go for a private pilot license. Thanks for your service!
When you buy arma 3, you sell your hard drive space to it as well.
LOL. The truth and nothing but.
I just got the game and added some 50 mods including NIArms and all CUP/RHS/etc mods and I barely have 40 gigs used.
Meanwhile other games these days clock in at 80 gigs minimum.
It's not really *that* bad.
@@Y.M... 1000 mods, over 100gbs lost just to mods, trust me it gets worse.
@@zwounk7712 267 mods and 130 gigs for mods
134 on Arma... I have downloaded around 100gb of mods just to have fun in single player cause I dun got friends to play with xD
There is a polarization between CUP and RHS because they aren't really compatible in one mission.
I love them both.
True, RHS weapons on CUP wests is like throwing a ball against a concrete wall.....
Henry Klee That's because the RHS content is meant to only work with other RHS content, whereas CUP is using vanilla scripts and such which makes it better in case you want to run more mods at the same time. Is your unit purely interested in US Army/Russia and willing to download more mods if necessary? RHS is the way to go. Do you want to be able to make various scenarios without having to change the modpack as well as be able to make your own mods? CUP. Though I admit that it's not an easy choice to choose between those two. After several years of using RHS, SMA and ton of other mods our unit has recently switched to CUP and it suits us very well.
Now i play with both so ye i guess thats cool
Glad to see my recommendation got in the video, thanks man!
AND There's more NIArms coming, and I have to say, if you like the LAR-15, you're going to love the SCARs.
OMG
toadie2k are the reload animations for NIArms still scuffed. I mean I haven’t played with them in about a month but when I left them all Assault rifles didn’t have reload animations and so I stopped using the mod.
@@AshleyLarkin that wasn't a problem for me at all, mightve bugged out on you
no_internet nope I’ve seen videos of the issue. And after reinstalling the mod over and over I gave up on even trying and moved onto SMA
@@AshleyLarkin huh i've never encountered it myself, it works fine for me as of right now
The 7.62 SCAR in the SMA mod is hands down my fav mod weapon in the game! Such a badass pop and report from it. Ni-Arms and RHS, all very good stuff but SMA - for me - is always loaded on my list.
SMA is killer
I like RHS's 7.62 Scars more because they are kinda more colourfull,SMA's Scars are a bit too dull when it comes to colour but however they still do the job right.
@@prov_3nce381 I like RHS' Mk17 due to
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Another great video mate. Entertaining and informative too.
If I had to make a suggestion though, there are some pretty long segments where both the camera and the subject are constantly moving. Might just be a matter of taste, but I find it a bit too frenetic. Maybe you could break it up a little with some more "locked off" shots? Particularly for a video on weapons, a few slow, panning close ups might slow things down a bit and then the contrast would make the action sequences stand out a bit more as well.
Again, just my two cents mate. Keep up the fine work! Hope you're getting some sleep :)
The Russian uniforms in the RHS pack always looked off to me. It's like they came from the 1960s while the US uniforms were all up to date. Just a personal thing. I like that RHS split up their packs though, makes it easier to pick and choose
@Anhar Hawari cup ratnik uniforms are the sexiest uniforms
@@jeff-np9jm yep, hope they recreate the US army
The British weapons that resemble M4s are not actually American. They are instead Canadian C8 Carbines. The C8, although nearly the same, are generally better suited for cold weather than the American rifles off which they are based.
As a Canadian I can confirm.
Awesome! Thank you. Love the vids 👍🏽
I love them more then you by 60000
tactician here(name change): little late but tyvm on the showcase of the XAR-14, i have picked the project back up with a friend of mine to officially finish the project and iron out the kinks.
and yes its the AR from Oblivion movie with Tom Cruise, i fell in love with it so i bought the model and ported it into arma 3 ;)
Is the weapon mod still available?
Keep up the content man! Your one of the best if not the best arma creator rn. You’ve helped me find hella mods I use daily now
I would really like to see US Army's new weapon program guns in Arma 3, specifically the Sig Saur's 6.8 mm proposition.
I would lovely to see Sig Sauer weapons generally,Sig516,Sig Mcx,Sig Mpx,Sig716,Sig m400 etc
İnanç Dündar cant forget the SG550 and 553/551
@@RayTC well they are already exist in niarms weapon packs,that 's why i didnt wrote them
I am so glad you did this video! As expected high quality content and great information provided. Thank you for your time making this video, hope your family are doing well at the moment!
@ 2:22 , XAR-14 it is pretty much the same rifle used in the movie Oblivion.
The problem with CUP is balancing. Most of the cup rifles are way to accurate (I'm talking 0.2 Mil for a short barrel M4). They feel unrealistic and have very low recoil. The CUP AK109 with the Vanilla AK12 mags has 901rpm, absolutely zero recoil and downs heavily armored infantry with 1 or max. 2 hits.
AK109 has balanced automatic, so it's ok
@@SteelBuzzil what do mean by balanced automatic?
@@henryklee680 after shot, when piston moves back it also pushes special piece of metal forward. It compensates most of the recoil force. See ua-cam.com/video/lJs9sBBjLls/v-deo.html
As soon as i saw the mk23 socom and the psg1 i thought you were a metal gear solid guy i was right keep up the good work man
That's a good start into the day when a new video of you pop's up.
I highly regard UA-camrs that use timestamps with descriptions no matter what the video is. It's an essential thing a lot of UA-camrs don't do. 👍🏾
Ha, whats funny is I JUST, like no shit a week ago, discovered that this was a thing on UA-cam. It takes maybe 5 minutes to setup, I'm not sure why more UA-camrs don't use this feature. I appreciated the hell out of it when I found it so I will from here on out be using them. :)
NIArms is amazing. I can go full terminator get to the choppa with the minigun! [Arnold Scream]
Great video, these always help me to find mods that improve the experience, thank you.
I believe the XAR-14 is modelled after the assault rifle from film Oblivion (2013) featuring Tom Cruise.
Be aware, RHS's Russian Faction under ACE medical has 6b13 steel armour. It will stop normal 50cal rounds. Only SMA weapons can cause effective damage to people who wear it.
ACE is getting weirder and weirder with every patch, damn.
So you’re telling me that arma 3 has sold over 4 million copies but only 6.9k are subscribed. Damn. You deserve better.
lol I appreciate it, but I also only started taking this channel seriously about 6 months ago. Everything comes with time :)
Viper1Zero very true. Keep up the awesome content!!!
Always love to see a new upload form my favorite arma youtuber thanks man keep up the good work :)
I have been playing modded arma for a few months now and i wish i would have watched more of your videos when I first started! Luckily i had a friend who told me about RHS and a few other good mods But in this video i still found atleast 2 good Mods that me and my friend will play around with and will enjoy, Thanks man!
The XAR14 is a gun from the movie "OBLIVION" its a good movie, you should give it a watch
Love your videos, saved me hours of looking for mods in workshop that I don’t even like after using them for an hour.
your videos are always a help when deciding which new mods to install or which ones I may have looked over thanks I look forward to your next video
Thanks for the review, as always very good! Go on, go on, go on!
Nice video! Love seeing your videos in my feed.
The top 5 I would definitely agree with, but I'll also add Cartridge Cases with it. That is a really good mod to help with infantry immersion.
I agree! I included that mod in a previous list video. This was strictly just weapons.
@@Viper1Zero Oo I'm sorry I missed that one then. Okay perfect!
As a sniper I would have loved a full sniper only mod but seems it's not out there, still I have cup and rhs and my wet sniping dream became true in this game.
This is why I fell in love with arma
Love your work!! Its stunning!! Thanks for all the advice where to look and what to look for! Saving us a lot of time
Great video man keep up the good work
I made it first comment!! Love your videos viper!
Wow...Awesome. Thank's man for every Single beautiful Video you make.
Thank YOU for the support!
Great work and nice editing
I was gonna tell you to make a video about Top 10 ArmA 3's weapons mod xD
You should have mentioned the different Types of Ammo in NIArms, like the actually working subsonic for example!
AHH, I should have. That's what I get for rushing.
More great content as always!
Really nice list, but I missed SMA Weapons. Thanks!
Which mod do you use for the shockwave's explosion? I already have some mods for explosions but I can't see it :(
I use Blast refract. Found here: forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/221306-refraction-blast-wave/ It's not on the workshop, you have to install it manually and load it as a local mod. But it's awesome. :)
As always, fantastic content 👍🏼. This is undoubtedly THE Channel to watch for ARMA 3 👀. Even for Ground pounders like me 💂🏻😂! Keep it up my Man...! 👏🏼💯😎
What mod are you using that has the visible shock wave with the explosions?
It's most likely blastcore
Gabriel is right, I do use Blastcore. However, the shock wave you're seeing is called Blast Refract and it's not on the workshop. A subscriber recommended it to me, you have to download and install it manually and load it as a local mod, but that's pretty easy. Download here: forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/221306-refraction-blast-wave/
@@Viper1Zero Thanks! I actually know taro8, he's the Eastern European sounding guy in my Liberation videos. I'll have to hit him about this. Keep up the quality vids man!
Why Sci fi weapon mods are so rare in this game?
Nice opinion by the way!
Thanks dude I rlly like ur mod vids 🙂
I’m the only one who doesn’t like SMA? I’m a NIarms fan. BTW, the SPS Weapons are awesome, HK416/417, AI AXMC, LAC LW-AMG and recently the VP9 are superb.
Not every mod is for everyone. Admittadly, SMA's lack of variation of weapon sounds keeps me from using it on the regular, but it's still a great mod! Thanks for the recommendations, I'll check these out!
I kidna still feel the same about CUP, visuals are fine now, not that I particularly care a lot about that, but they feel weird, especially when it comes to dmg output, but that's just my opinion
8:20 that guy has a canadian C79
Hey! Great video. Can you tell me which mod pack the AUG is in? I’m Irish and it’s the weapon our armed forces use. Thanks
Nice job.
I was wondering what SAM system you showed at 00:57. So I'd be glad if you offer such mods at some point :)
It’s not a mod, it’s just the SAM turrets that came with the Jets DLC. :)
@@Viper1Zero Oh thanks, I just remembered. Never had the DLC :))
Number 8 the XAR-14 isn't that the gun from oblivion?
I haven’t seen that movie, but looking at pics there is a hell of a resemblance!!
How do you not have 100k? Beyond me! your so good
Thanks for including my Mk23! Check out my Splinter Cell FiveSeven if you have the chance. The ACE mod is necessary for the visible laser, however you don't actually need to run ACE for the mod to work.
Roanoke Thank you for your awesome work! Ok that makes sense, I was wondering if maybe it was an older requirement and just didn’t get updated or something. Lol I’ll definitely give the FiveSeven a look!
Idk man. Between cup and RHS it's a tough choice if I had to choose only one. Cup has some decent rail attachments that RHS doesn't offer. I honestly just use both the main go to for our group of friends has been tier 1 weapons ever since we found that mod a few months back. Love the M-lok handguards and it has the money at up to date optics and rail attachments.
Nice Vid 👌 Do you now when the AC130 from Sergeant Fuller comes back?
HA. Thats a good joke. ;)
Actually they're working on it now, and we will hopefully get the re-release in a month or two. :)
i’m surprised KICKASS’s weapons mod isn’t on here.
Mainly because its mostly ripped weapons
I believe in the intro he did mention this wouldn't be a complete list, but now ViperZero knows maybe it will be
Nice Video boiiiiii
Incredible!
Thank you!
Both CUP and RHS are amazing creators and provide very solid mods. The only reason the split exists is because of the sheer amount of duplication you get if trying to run both. Quite honestly I like the weapons in RHS better, but CUP has better mechanics for their vehicles and far better uniforms, at least when it comes to Russian forces.
it's not often you hear the L85A2 being refered to as "reliable"
I don't get it.. I unstalled all these realism mods but even if I only enable 1 no server allows me to join anymore... What's the point of mods if.you can't use them online..
My personal favorite weapon mod is the Russian Alpha AK by SweetJason... it is a perfect representation of what the AK can be and is very capable at close to mid range definitely worth the download and it has a cool backstory.
I got a question. Does this mod are also for the campaign? I really love the Arma 3 campaign and i am New on this game.
shadow moses with a good camera view
Hello I'm here for another GREAT video. I hope all is going well for you!. Also Idk if you yet thought about adding me on discord. But that doesn't matter nice video!
You often present in your videos m2 browning with shield and optic from dnes is it ?
Hey Viper I have a question is there any way to keep the vanilla sniping(just zeroing distance no wind and humidity) even with ace installed? (On both singleplayer and mp)?
Yes, it’s on your ACE ballistics settings in EDEN
We run it on SP and MP currently in our unit with no issues
@@tendyedits1272 Tnx
Hey Viper, I've installed quite a lot of mods from Steam workshop (mostly from your recommendation) , after I installed mods and lauching the game I got an error message. "Addon "cba_common" requires addon "A3_Data_F_Mod_Loadorder" After clicking ‘okay’ the game crashes. Is there a way I can resolve this issue?
@Viper1Zero Do you have any idea what mod has the blue supressors???
this game is still a bad ass, i wonder what Arma 4 would be like?
7:20 The l119a1 is not an American weapon, it is a Colt Canada c8 carbine
Morgan Phelps I said an American design, which it is. It’s a Colt. Doesn’t matter who made/uses it.
Great Viper!!
Is FA Hunting rifles compatible with ace?
we need top 20 campaign for singleplayer
There is also RHS SAF...
Viper do you have a discord?
I do not at the moment, but I have one in the works :) Stay tuned.
@@Viper1Zero ok will do, been looking to do some sorties with people in arma and i know this is where il find it.
bro I have to know your explosion and fire mods they are so sick
Blastcore compiled by neetch
3:06, 4:24, 7:04, 7:13, 7:20
Very shaky camera movement, but good content.
Any weapon mods that can be used in the campaign missions?
For me i can’t see the special thing about NIArms
3:57
"Light-skin vehicles"
BRUH WHAT
like thin vehicles, lightly skinned
just shouting out one you may missed, SPS mods. Worth a look, some nice stuff:
SPS-Weapons steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1069692316
SPS Equipment steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1187306764
SPS AI AXMC Sniper Rifle Series steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1510335080
also other items, like vests, ACE compatibility, etc., etc.
Do these weapon mods come with their own ammo and attachments too?, or do I need to find standalone mods for them?
I know this question might sound stupid but I want to be sure since I'm downloading the big NIArms All In One weapons mod
Not a stupid question at all, in fact its a very good question that I should have mentioned in the video. Most of the mods come with their own ammo types, however there are compatibility mods that allow ammo from a certain mod to be used by other modded weapons, for example most weapons mods have an RHS and CUP compat mod that allows their mod to use RHS and CUP ammo. Servers really only tend to run one or the other to help mitigate mod mismatch and ammo issues, though.
@@Viper1Zero Alright, I understand. But what about attachments? Does NIArms have new attachments?
NIArms, CUP and RHS all come with their own attachment sets.
NI arms is more of what you’d want via ammo, but I think provides for all weapons if applicable. NI arms offers subsonic rounds and what not
anyone knows how to fix the lag/ stuttering on Arma 3 Contact and Arma 3 Old Man??? only these two i got lag and stuttering but the rest of the missions campaign are running smooth.
RHS also has a GREF pack...
Yes, I mentioned that.
Viper1Zero sorry, I meant the SAF pack, not GREF...
wish i could install mods but all i get is errors
question. is there one that has a VSS vintorez in it?
RHS and NIArms wow. I need to jump into this game. Been playing DCS for a long time. Guess it wouldn't hurt to try this.
DCS is the best flight sim out there, hands down. If you're looking for some great ground combat and some so-so air combat (but still fun), Arma 3 is there for you lol.
@@Viper1Zero Lol Thanks for the info. Yes I agree DCS is insane. I main the Tomcat and i'm having good times with the Spitfire now. But gotta scratch an itch with the Armalite Rifles. Especially the KAC SR-25. Off topic but i'm shooting to go enlisted with the Air Force. If that doesn't fly well i'll go for a private pilot license. Thanks for your service!
Rip XAR-14 mod
This channel will be huuuge I can tell you that
Man if only dayz had single player
Why not make a video about everything in cup
I don't think I have enough SSD space for how much video that would take ;) lol
notifications brought me here
Can you send the link of the full music ?
I agree 100%
Wish i could with these mods in a server but they are mostly vanilla
the most realistic one is the RHS
th Mk. 23 is on CUP now