What is the Army's role in Politics in Pakistan? - Wajahat S. Khan - Journalist -
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- Wajahat Saeed Khan, is an Emmy Award-nominated Pakistani multimedia journalist based in New York City who is currently an editor and correspondent at Nikkei Asia. Khan has produced, reported and anchored for Pakistan's major cable networks, as well leading U.S., U.K. and Indian publications.
Wajahat S. Khan comes on The Pakistan Experience for a deep dive on the role of the Pakistani military in politics. From Zia-ul-Haq to Musharaf to the current political climate, we discuss how we got to where we are.
Does the Establishment want to oust Imran Khan?
What are the inner workings of the Military Establishment?
What does it mean to report on the Military?
Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience
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The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications.
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Chapters:
0:00 No Confidence and Extension
11:00 General Kiyani and General Musharraf
15:00 Extensions
20:30 The Current Situation and how we got here
25:00 Imran Khan's Grooming and rfits with the Establishment
33:30 The Army's role in Politics
40:00 The Opposition's Calculations
44:00 Reporting on the Military vs Reporting for the MIlitary
50:30 Lying in the Prime Minister's bathtub and Musharraf's Mahaz
1:02:30 Laughing with Musharaf
1:07:30 The Soldier and The Institution
1:21:00 Bloody Civilians
1:26:00 Peoples QandAs - Розваги
Guys smash the like button . Just 112 so far . come on ?
Jaltay hain sb is liyai like ni kr rahay
@PIYADASI🥰 We all should give power and love to our Beloved Shehzad ! Come on People
@@exincident ❤
Joel ka fan he kya tu 😂
It worked.
It was nice to see you put him on spot. He definitely got agitated which was very evident but he still answered and carried on. Thats the best part of good political discussions.
WSK is a true GYM BRO and he always will be. His way of judging the host was on one point alone. Why u missed my Zardari interview. That changed his entire tone and got defensive. He is strictkly territorial and weighs thoughts and ideasthrough muscles.
I liked the conversation.
Kudos to Shahzad for not backing off with that BRO attitude of WSK. Shahzad may look weak but he puts his point across with a smile and not succumbing to pressure from other side. 👏🏼
Shahzad Bhai ki yeh khoobi jamiat walay Bhai k interview ma bh show Hoi thi
ISi lie ye bnda Pasand ha k guest per hawi nh hota
Shahzad actually did great - I found his guest’s responses hollow, thoughtless and a bit flowery :)
@@taymiaali3215 yep. He wanted to ride on Shahzad with his seniority and of 'how many bigshot interviews I have done' attitude. What was the nonsense about 'I can see from your shoulders that you cannot do 200lb bench'....totally off topic disparaging comment.
@@Ali-ds5iy Indeed lewd comment :)
An over-privileged/entitled/cloistered burger from karachi grammar school, who chooses to know of Buffalos but not Gayay aur Bhainss 😅 and “I owned that jeep” comment….home boy plz….lolol… @57:00 and 59:00..
@@taymiaali3215 Nobody can get access to VVIP's in Pakistan , ask bold questions and get away with it all on record unless they have some solid personal backing of VVIP themselves. I can see he definitely had someone (father/uncle perhaps?) in high rank somewhere who provided him soft access to wherever the 'boys' went. In essence, he is part of the same elite circle who he is trying to mock here.
The buffalo thing was unbelievable. A journalist on the road in Pakistan, but still doesn't know a 'gaye' or 'bhens' ...simply a bubble boy struggling with a society he was unable to relate with.
I have been waiting for this collab for a long time and the topic itself. Thanks Shahzaad Bhai
@@ThePakistanExperience
This Entire system needs an overhaul. And the establishment needs to be willing to do it.. They also read the the will of the people and have their ears to the ground. However they have a plethora of different opinions within the establishment as to what is the better way to go forward. Nothing will work unless you first understand the Quran and Sunnah in light of Hadith and study Dr. (Allama) Muhammad İqbāl.. Pakistan _'Needs'_ a *✅'Khilafāt-ur-Rāşhida'* type ☪️Presidential system✨🌙, NOT🙅🏽♂️ an implanted Anglo-Saxon 1800's _-"Multi-Party Parliamentary democracy"-_ System🚫
Brilliant episode w.r.t to the emotion put into the dialogue. Can we do a follow on episode with additional commentary about how it played out since this episode was shot, and looking ahead of how it is going to play out in the next 6 months?
Love and best wishes from India
I love your program as it shows the reality which both our nations closely share.
Thoroughly enjoyed the interview.
Very interesting
Thanks for the insights into Pakistan's political history
Hey Wajahat where have you been...really missed you..good to c ya back.. .Pl update on what are ya doing these days...any news of your upcoming programs...
Incoherent and narcissistic. Lacks introspection. “Not a single journalist” did this or that. His impact on readers and viewers is bare minimum. His reporting isn’t Noorani or Sethi or Mir or zehra for that matter.
Not a single coherent answer that was to the point.
I recommend he reads ayesha siddiqa’s book “Military Inc”
Bear grylls of Pakistani media to be honest.
Great job on the podcast as always shehzad. You probably interviewed him better than he ever interviewed anyone.
Avid listener.
Keep up the great work.
I like to highlight Wajahat's first advice - take very good care of your physical and mental health! If done by properly by the masses, this will reflect positively at the national stage.
I'm not facing any sound issues. Perhaps it's resolved?
What an interesting point of few. Really appreciate such a good discussion.
yar! I loved your way of interview, specially the PM house and Musharraf part. it has been many days since I watched a Pakistani interviewer asking such hard hitting questions and then giving interviewee time and space to defend himself. Really loved it
dude, you asked him some hard hitting questions. greak work bro !!
I just wanna say respect , support ❤ Pakistan n Pkstani people , pkstn zindabad , long live pkstn , salam-greetings ❤ from jkrta
Yes this program is live I am watching today even its old I have seen your all programs Of Mahaz this is very interesting hopping you are enjoying the tanker water Stay blessed
Great discussion! I won't lie, my opinion of Waj bro changed a bit. But it is refreshing to hear him on all things miliary.
Good one Wj God Bless 🙌
Thanku shezad for such an informative podcast!!!
Pretty Interesting one mate, I must say, was worthwhile
Shehzad, u r a fantastic host, deceptively soft spoken but you know your subject very well. U do a very deep study of your topic of the podcast. Salute 🫡
I was doing something else when i got the notification and saw the title. Decided to watch it first before it gets taken down.
And there is no sound..... 💀☠💀☠
@@ThePakistanExperience I can hear it now 👍👍
Watching this interview after 8 months. I am sure WAJAHAT would like to rethink what IK has done for country in terms of foreign policy and over all awareness of public in country day to day affairs.
Thanks for telling us the most open secret of the world.
There is a huge talk of the Kashmir Pundit exodus in India because of the Kashmir files movie here in India, it would be great if u could bring a guest to shed some light of the history of Kashmir on the Indian side for ur Pak audience.
For what?
@@vinamrasinghai2339 are you serious?
I love the podcast, but not a fan of WSK. He is incoherent as usual, throwing random/big english words to cover his lack of understanding. This is what happens when you read too many books but cannot form your own opinion.
p.s Kudos to shehzad for pushing him on that bathtub issue
Shukar ha is bnday Ka Nam Reham khan ki book ma nhi aya
You have noticed it very right.great observation👍🏻
True
Always great listening to WSK. Bring him back soon.
Highly illuminating..
I have very "recently" discovered Wajahat's work in media - he is soo cool.. I wish we were friends 😂.
Wajahat would be a perfect batman of pakistan 🇵🇰 😍
Nice joke
I don't know him, or what he has been doing, but found him annoying the way he speak. But what I like is the diversity of guests you have on show, or may be whatever you can have 😜😁. You are a champ
Very good interview
Shehzad's podcasts are very informative and shed much needed light on a variety of purposely obscured topics, especially related to the military and the absolute havoc they've caused throughout our nation's history. The range of guests, and topics covered is top notch. However, I find it a little disconcerting how he skirts around topics relating to the current opposition parties (PDM), especially when it comes to Zardari, and the absoutely disastrous and self-enriching policies of the Bhuttos and Sharifs. I'd love to see a non partisan discourse on that as well.
Thanks 😊 Shahzaad for bringing Wajahat back to scene...great stuff
Shahzad is another jihadi
Sahi h bhai
What happened to wajahat does he have UA-cam channel?
Sir Pakistan economy per bhi aik podcast kerain
Wow!! Did I just watch an episode of Hard Talk??
I think you need to put quotes around journalist.
Wajahat S. Khan - “Journalist”
The problem now seems to be the fact that military has divided itself and going all out to unite the opposition. Despotism creates the circumstances of its own undermining.
Love from your old subscriber ❤️❤️❤️
The bEST thing I have scene In few days 👍
This was good. Really enjoyed the session. Much needed after pooja misra ✌️🤣
Something for everyone on The Pakistan Experience 😅
Is this guy a good dude or bad dude?.... I don't know him... He sounds very pompous. Was taken aback by hosts pointed questions.
He has done some incredible work, but there are not a lot of people following his footsteps. I guess it is not easy doing what WSK does.
Pakistan needs a HARD REBOOT - the way its going.. you will loose 2 more decades.. The most unfortunate bit is, the youth of the nation does not feel the urgency.
Hard reboot starts from the top. Just like how Nehru in India was visionary enough to start IITs and think the big picture, there's no one like that in Pakistan, or at least even if there is the conditions are completely different than India. The elites (and establishment) here don't want that since they'll lose all their powers. Sadly, even while being a Pakistani, I don't see any positive future here at least for the next 20 years.
Shehzad brilliant question’s🤙🏼
Shehzad has been very researched and on point with this interview , while WSK looked unprepared for the interview
A: Give me one example... just one example...
B: Gives one example.
A: not that one 😑
If the example is different from the question then you haven't answered the question
@@MrHumanforlife that was a relevant example
@@anambutt8127 He added qualifications to his question and clarified it. I don't think the example he gave was a policy one.
@@MrHumanforlife i disagree with you here
The host and the guest seem so uncomfortable to continue the podcast after the initial few minutes ,it was like they were forced to complete the 90 minute run.
Interesting one …
Is it just me or is the sound not working?
I hear it now. Thanks
Enjoyed the interview ..shame he left Pakistan ..we need wajahat back…loved the zardari interview
There's so much podcast in this right
I like his T-shirt.....Pearl Jam... It is a new band for me, but good band.
No sound
Wajahat absolutely nailed it this Math doesn’t make sense
To WSK about " bring me one statement of khan incongruent with GHQ's policy", he is principally opposed to drone strikes which our previous generals, musharraf, kayani, and more recently asif ghafoor have termed as the cleanest and the most effective way to take out terrorists.
@@c12-116 you're PhD?
Every country has a military that it runs. But in Pakistan, the military has a country that it runs.
I am for the idea that Army’s role should be of mediation between the democratic parties only not divide them and take one’s side and crush the other and this is what is going on so far.
Now In my view they started moving in right direction.
Nice choice
The Pakistan Army has been the King Maker for a long time!
54:16
Good job Shehzad! I always enjoy your podcasts. Very knowledgeable and thought provoking. Can you bring some experts to discuses only corruption. How corruption really rot an economy and society. I have heard so many so called intellectuals saying that corruption is not as big of a problem as it is portrayed. I really wanna hear from some experts. Thanks
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@01:03:14 ARSHAD SHARIF'S SOUL LEFT THE CHAT
Who is the third PM who was assisnated ??
@@ThePakistanExperience Thanks
ZAB definitely got a support from Ayub but he was already a well versed politician(also son of shahnawaz) in his own right and way much internationalized even before military support . . and also his internationalization contributed to many national projects including nuclear. In fact many believe it is the other way around that bhutto helped military the face-saving after 71
Also khan has a ton of differences with the boys,
Wajahat bhai is totally out of scene now a days
As much as I love is doc. and interview style , he is viewing this scenario very lucidly and with a typical and pigeon holed POV
If we all took a shot of...rooh afza every time Wajahat Khan said "right" we'd all have gotten diabetes by the time this podcast hit the 30 minute mark. I'm curious how many other people felt as if Wajahat Khan was talking DOWN to Shehzad Shaikh instead of talking TO him.
Didn't feel that.
WSK suffers from know it all syndrome.
Lols, probably just how he talks, wouldn't read too much into it.
It’s bcz shehzad was try to pull him down , he was playing dirty .
Or at least that’s how i felt 🤷🏻♂️
I think WK took the zardari bit a bit personal 😅😅
How to guarantee free and fair as well as transparent election ??
Duniya ki koan si aisi fauz hh jo cornflakes,cement, diapers, fertilizer, housing societies, sugar, restaurants, Namkeen and off course Masale banati hh 😭😭...hamare parosi mulk Hindustan mein retired army general 2-3 room ke flats mein rehte hh even during their service 😭😭... Pakistani army hame kyun loot rhi hh & awam ko mamu bnna rhi h ??
Why does Pak Army do business?
Is it right for them to do so?
Mulk ki hifazat ho na ho, munafe ki hifazat zaroor hogi.
Perfectly said true 🙏from india
Duniya ka kaun sa Pakistani fauz likhta hai? Just say you are from India, no one will bite you. 😂 and many agree with you on this.
Do you know half of the budget of the Indian army goes to pensions. Have you ever asked yourself how we can sustain such a large military that is a requirement for us?
2-3 bhk 😂 ye jyada ho gya bhai. Yaha bhi generals mauj me hi rehte . May be pakistani general itna nahi
Pakistan army doesn't do mulk ki hifazat. It literally cut off a wing. And is still there. Who is to be blamed except the Pakistan public who never raises its voice against the establishment?
Plz disclose DHAs and cantonments
Shahzad bhai nice show👍
@@ThePakistanExperience App lagay rahay or hamay educate kertay rahay.Fan 😀👍
Shehzad I admire your intellect.
28:00 khan talked against the militaries policy over war on terror .
@@ThePakistanExperience Khan was firmly against the launch of Pakistan's military operations in Waziristan in 2004 and subsequent operations and this remained a sticking point between him and the military until the end of Zarb e Azb. Also recall Khan criticizing the military for election interference in 2013. So Wajahat is wrong.
@@ThePakistanExperience does not make any sense. Khan has been criticizing the state policy against war on terror since 2002. Military got billions in aid from USA aid during war against terror. Musharaf was the military establisment. Musharaf was the GHQ, army chief. Imran khan's stance on war against terror was a clearly against the state policy at that time. Wajahat's arguements do not make any sense, he is talking about a far fetched hypothesis. you should have grilled him on this point more.
@@ThePakistanExperience and his point that military has been nursing IK for 22 years is also nonsensical. You have to accept that IK's stance on a few major issues has been very clear throughout his journey like Corruption, war on terror, foriegn policy etc . In 2018, the time had come when these issues became very relevant and thats why his time has come and he is in power.
Brilliant, nuanced debate.
As much as I was hyped for this interview, somehow I did not find Wajahat very likeable. He seems to lack empathic listening and isn't very open to conflicting views.
Views are opinions that can change, facts are not.
There are many countries who have toughest neighbours but it doesn’t mean army should take over the country.
Tough neighbours is just an excuse to keep eating foreign aids and Pakistan's GDP.
It is true that Urdu was not the language of Pakistan and that Bengalis raised an objection to its being a national language and agitated too, but in spite of all that the issues were settled in the constitution of 1956 in which Bengalis had even agreed to forgo their share of representation in the Parliament by 12% reducing it from 56% to 50% and increasing the share of West Pakistan from 44% to 50%. Need not to say that that the it was the 1956 Constitution which was a mile stone in the unity of the country which was achieved by hard work by mutual consent .
But unfortunately even 50% representation of bengalis was not acceptable to the ruling elite of West Pakistan Who's interests appeared to be at stake because of it . Therefore Martial law was imposed to wipe out the democracy itself which was the first step towards the break of of Pakistan the credit for which goes to the great general Field Marshal Muhammad Ayub Khan.
What followed the Ist Marshal law was an era of and corruption and injustice at national scale based on the usurpation of the right of Bengals. These were the efforts to eliminate or reshape or deshape democracy to protect the interest of the elite of West Pakistan which ultimately resulted into its breakup
Under the kind leadership of Agha Muhammad Yaha Khan..
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no one including Jinnah had any idea what Pakistan should be
He was referring you to question asked zardari that people think zardari is involved in BB's murder.
This state of surrender and numbness shown by learned part of society like you guys tells me Pakistan will never get out of shackles of the establishment and will never achieve socio economic progress that is witnessed by Bangladesh, India ...
WSK is the smartest journalist I know
What is it that you are talking about ?
WSK reminds me of someone who is unpleasant to waiters/servers and is best avoided by my single friends 🙃
This your 3rd episode I’ve listen : love it !
However I reckon to keep your personal bias aside, specially throwing sarcasm with a cunning smirk, just takes the piss out of me when hosts do this in their show. Otherwise excellent show, I have recommended to my friends as well
Interview people like Matiullah Jan, Hamid Mir who are in Pakistan fighting the Establishment / politicians and facing the brunt. They are real fighters who need recognition as they are fighting for people of Pakistan. These interviews are good but are people who are spectators watching from a distance.
The process has continued even after the speration of East Pakistan, this time to usurp the rights of the week provinces and classes, except for a few small intervals caused by compulsion.It is this factor which
has been a cause of chaos and destability in the country...But the elite class remains oblivious to this aspect like Wajahat, who is very sincere and honest but unfortunately belongs to the same class .
True that , they keep forgetting the Reason East Pakistan happened , like depriving Bengalis .
For some reason WSK took offense to Shehzad not having watched WSK's Zardari interview
The Army is more than the de facto & dominant political party in Pakistan’s political spectrum with strong authoritarian mind set because of its training and experience. Not de Jure. Because it has no social contract with Gen Gracy’s ‘bloody civilians” bit that never got trashed.
I miss mahaaaaz😣
42:00
IK was not groomed in the same manner others before and after him were. People support him, because what he says resonates with the masses.
That's the only thing he can do better than others - entice the public. Other than that, his performance has been terrible, at best.
We love you WSK
Untill there will be fair and free elections are held and also the result is accepted by everyone nothing can change Pakistan future in Democracy!!!
You should have asked "what is the role of politicians in Pakistan"😂😂😂😂 . Army has a country called Pakistan
no sound
now its working but imagine u forgot to record sound and pak army takes down this video.
you would be as doomed as indo-pak economy
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@@ThePakistanExperience ☺️
Opposition has been created by the establishment too .. why do expect them to behave in a better way ?
Fiaz Hamid was IK the only choice, so what? It was not Fiaz Hamid, but IK was failing economically and our relationship with the west worsening Would you like to see bankruptcy??