IMPORTANT QUESTION:If am playing crochets on the same string would I still use colle 😕?because I understand using it for playing legato. I'm confused please assist me.
@@jakecortex9105 Colle is basically an exaggerated movement that is the result of flexibility (or at least that's one way to think about it). In other words, colle is just "flexibility". With legato strokes, you will have MORE movement in your fingers. With shorter strokes, you will have much less BUT it's still there.
Joel, as a fresh beginner this is a wonderful video. My wrist hurts already at 70 but I will do this and look forward to getting better at colle. This is a fantastically presented lesson! Thank you, Paul
Hopefully, your wrist pain will subside somewhat as you warm it up. The more you use the joint, the more flexible it should become during your practice sessions. It's normal for it to revert somewhat to being tighter after a certain amount of time when you are done practicing.
This is really helpful, I have been really struggling with colle, it feels so unnatural but you have put it over in an easy to understand way - thanks so much!
Thank you! I’ve been having trouble on this one piece in arco, and this helped so much. Thank you! I am a 6th Grade Cello, my director wants me to look into lessons because she said I’m too advanced for my orchestra. Thanks, again!
I think this is what my teacher is trying to teach me right now. It's my thumb that had been the problem. Trying to remember to bend it. It's also the working with my fingers and wrist instead of elbow and shoulder. Thank you for this video. It has been very informative.
My dog was a colle Just kidding. I just tried this and it really helped when you defined it as "stuck". My freaking bow is not making all that squawking. Thank you
Thanks! I’ve only played a little less than a year and was trying to get that tone by pressing the bow with my pointer finger. After watching your video I got a new understanding of how to pull that beautiful tone that I knew was in there. Usually I can get about 4 notes to really resonate on a 2 octave c scale and today every note resonated so well I slowed down just to enjoy each notes resonance. Huge eye opener. Again, thank you!
THANKS SO MUCH!!! I’m an intermediate violinist and used to take private lessons but now I’m just in orchestras. I was working on bowing when I had to leave them, ah thanks!
Thanks so much am a beginner and I just have to learn this violin urgently cos am a music teacher..I would love to be assisted in further technical ways
There is a fine line between having a bow hold that is too "soft" VS to rigid. Practice is the method in which you find the balance between the two. It really is that simple and it just takes time.
I've only been playing for one year....I want to thank you for your time... I have a Heinrich Roth violin 1953 with a wooden case.. It has a beautiful deep rich romantic sound I'm so thankful for it I traded a classical guitar for it, I'm studying the Suzuki method I'm on book two thank you... any comments would be appreciated. God Bless. I'm 71 years old.
Those violins are known for being pretty nice. It's gotta be nice! Well, thanks for the note of appreciation and if you have any questions on any videos, just let me know!
Everybody has different hands and yours will not look exactly like mine. The most important aspect is that your thumb is never "locked" and is bent in the correct direction. It is of paramount importance that the pinky and the thumb are relaxed. 👍
im having an issue. i can do the first excersise both horizontally and vertically but once i go to playing position when i bend the fingers to move the boow up the bow bilts . the end of frog getts pulled towards my palm. which causes the pinky to fall off...
The more relaxed the pinky is, the more it will stay on the bow. If there is a log of pressure on your finger, then that pressure will push your pinky off. If you pronate your hand more towards the tip of the bow, then this will alleviate some of this pressure. Also, you want to place the tip of your pinky, NOT the pad on the bow, and place it on the flat portion that faces the side of the bow that faces the violin. If you look carefully at the bow, you will see it's a hexagon near the pinky. Find the flat spot on the bow that faces you more and it'll be easier to keep your pinky in one spot. Hope that helps! It's tough to explain through words and not action.
I've tried your practising advice and my playing has started to improve :) I still have some bouncing when changing from up to going down with collapsed fingers. Do you have a video showing how to solve this bouncing?
This video might help: ua-cam.com/video/fq7MyBe0E7I/v-deo.html However, most of the issue you are talking about is caused by the bow being tightened too much (which increases bouncyness) and a hand that's too tight. Developing a relaxed bow hand takes years. The most important part is practicing deliberately and with purpose. Be aware of how your hand is working all the time.
Ya, a shaky bow is usually caused by some kind of tension in your hand, wrist, elbow, or arm. Slightly turning the bow away from you, so you are not completely flat-haired on the string will usually help a bit but relaxing is mostly the key. Tension usually starts in your slightly raised shoulder and gets transferred to your arm/hand. Also, pay attention to your jaw. If you are clenching your jaw during some difficult passages, this can also translate down your arm. It's a process and nobody is perfect. 😉
@@denismontano73 Well, colle generally takes several years of practice before it feels "natural" and works, so you just have to keep at it. Perhaps I should do a video on how to teach yourself to read music. Thanks for the idea!
Another great lesson on bow handling. I came home & found my wife in bed running the bow across the strings for the first time ( SPRUNG IN THE ACT😂 ) well you may have a new student.❤❤🎻🎻
Joel, I have a very basic question … Am I supposed to hold my middle finger and thumb in the curve of the frog so that the tips are touching or am I supposed to secure them on the wood of the frog beyond the crux of the curve?
Hello Paul, where your fingers lie on the bow is completely determined by the length of your fingers, so everybody is going to look a bit different. The most important aspect of your hold is that your fingers are laying down and you are NOT holding them up. The idea is that they are completely relaxed. Many people raise their fingers in an effort to "hold" the bow better. If you are holding them up or exerting a force to keep them in a particular position, then the fingers will not be relaxed, and being relaxed and flexible is the whole point!
Although it helps when the bow is laying on the violin strings. I can see I need to do these exercises a lot. So you went to the Eastman huh that's just about a couple blocks from where I live
Yes, that's super common. Just remember that the violin holds up your bow, not your hand. Also, place the tip of your pinky on the flat part of the hexagon shape that is nearest you rather than the very top of the bow. That'll help keep it bent. 👍
What a bunch of jumbled-up information. He is talking about one type of motion, and then he shows another one! Do you know that not a single great Russian player, like Oistrakh, Kogan, Tretiakov, Kremer, Vengerov, and many more never even heard of any "colle"? And they have the smoothest bow changes in the world. No, colle is useful for the Third movement of the Mendelssohn concerto but NOT for creating smooth bow changes.
I have to admit, these exercises are most irritating than helpful. I’m trying to bring the bow up and down by extending my thumb and pinky, but the weight of the bow towards the tip is too much. I can’t extend my thumb and pinky without losing the bow. And my fingers are in the position they need to be. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong or if I have exceptionally weak fingers.
Everybody has a different anatomy and it's quite possible that your arm length is not long enough to be able to fully extend your bow to the tip without your fingers losing the "perfect" hold on the bow. This is normal and will improve as your finger flexibility on the bow improves with practice. Also, remember that if you feel like you are going to drop the bow, you are probably holding it correctly! 🤪
Don't do them. They are useless anyway because no one plays with fully extended fingers and thumbs. Bunch of crap. Go watch Violinclass videos about the bow hand, you will get some valuable information there.
For more helpful videos like these, don't forget to visit kennedyviolins.com/pages/joels-corner
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IMPORTANT QUESTION:If am playing crochets on the same string would I still use colle 😕?because I understand using it for playing legato.
I'm confused please assist me.
@@jakecortex9105 Colle is basically an exaggerated movement that is the result of flexibility (or at least that's one way to think about it). In other words, colle is just "flexibility". With legato strokes, you will have MORE movement in your fingers. With shorter strokes, you will have much less BUT it's still there.
@@KennedyViolins Thxs
Joel, as a fresh beginner this is a wonderful video. My wrist hurts already at 70 but I will do this and look forward to getting better at colle. This is a fantastically presented lesson! Thank you, Paul
Hopefully, your wrist pain will subside somewhat as you warm it up. The more you use the joint, the more flexible it should become during your practice sessions. It's normal for it to revert somewhat to being tighter after a certain amount of time when you are done practicing.
Glad you are learning to play. I am 72 and everything hurts, but the more you play, the less it will hurt because your muscles will become flexible.
This is really helpful, I have been really struggling with colle, it feels so unnatural but you have put it over in an easy to understand way - thanks so much!
Cool. Glad to help!
Terrific video. Thanks, Joel!
Glad it helped!
Thank you! I’ve been having trouble on this one piece in arco, and this helped so much. Thank you! I am a 6th Grade Cello, my director wants me to look into lessons because she said I’m too advanced for my orchestra. Thanks, again!
Cello is awesome. Thanks for the comment! 😃
I'm a cellist as well!! My director says the same thing!!!
Excellent lesson!
Sweet! Thanks for the encouragement. 😉
I think this is what my teacher is trying to teach me right now. It's my thumb that had been the problem. Trying to remember to bend it. It's also the working with my fingers and wrist instead of elbow and shoulder. Thank you for this video. It has been very informative.
What instrument do you play?
@@averyrealindividual91607 Violin.
@@AG-mt3xs Nice. I play cello.
@@averyrealindividual91607 Awesome! I love the cello!
@@AG-mt3xs Thanks!! I love it too!!
Unbelievably helpful. Thank you so much sir 🥰🙏🙏🙏
Glad to help. Thanks for letting me know!
Wonderful! New learning! Thank you!
Your welcome!
My dog was a colle
Just kidding. I just tried this and it really helped when you defined it as "stuck". My freaking bow is not making all that squawking. Thank you
This is so helpful. Thank you so much!
Always glad to help!
Brilliant explanation and encouragement, thank you.
I am beginner to violin, i have a concert coming up imma try these
It takes a lot of time before this technique helps your playing but eventually it will with enough practice. Good luck at your concert!
Keep playing. If people tell you to not play, don't listen to them!
hit me pls y
Really helpful, thank you
Really good video! I’m going to work on all these exercises.
Cool, that's great. Let me know if you have any questions! 😉
Wonderful
Thanks! I’ve only played a little less than a year and was trying to get that tone by pressing the bow with my pointer finger. After watching your video I got a new understanding of how to pull that beautiful tone that I knew was in there. Usually I can get about 4 notes to really resonate on a 2 octave c scale and today every note resonated so well I slowed down just to enjoy each notes resonance. Huge eye opener. Again, thank you!
Glad to help. Happy practicing!
THANKS SO MUCH!!! I’m an intermediate violinist and used to take private lessons but now I’m just in orchestras. I was working on bowing when I had to leave them, ah thanks!
Glad.to help. Thanks for letting me know! 😉
EXCELLENT!!
Thanks so much am a beginner and I just have to learn this violin urgently cos am a music teacher..I would love to be assisted in further technical ways
Hello, When I try to keep my hand l "soft", and move the bow up and down, the bow slips out of my fingers. What can I Do to fix this?🎉
There is a fine line between having a bow hold that is too "soft" VS to rigid. Practice is the method in which you find the balance between the two. It really is that simple and it just takes time.
I've only been playing for one year....I want to thank you for your time... I have a Heinrich Roth violin 1953 with a wooden case.. It has a beautiful deep rich romantic sound I'm so thankful for it I traded a classical guitar for it, I'm studying the Suzuki method I'm on book two thank you... any comments would be appreciated. God Bless. I'm 71 years old.
Those violins are known for being pretty nice. It's gotta be nice! Well, thanks for the note of appreciation and if you have any questions on any videos, just let me know!
@@KennedyViolins Thank you for getting back to me. Chuck Row
Very informative and helpful ! excellent ! Thank you so much !
thank you very much sir
Aways glad to help!
In case thumb is too short, how to do your exercise？
Everybody has different hands and yours will not look exactly like mine. The most important aspect is that your thumb is never "locked" and is bent in the correct direction. It is of paramount importance that the pinky and the thumb are relaxed. 👍
im having an issue. i can do the first excersise both horizontally and vertically but once i go to playing position when i bend the fingers to move the boow up the bow bilts . the end of frog getts pulled towards my palm. which causes the pinky to fall off...
Also, my little finger keeps sliding off the bow. Can you help me with that too?
The more relaxed the pinky is, the more it will stay on the bow. If there is a log of pressure on your finger, then that pressure will push your pinky off. If you pronate your hand more towards the tip of the bow, then this will alleviate some of this pressure. Also, you want to place the tip of your pinky, NOT the pad on the bow, and place it on the flat portion that faces the side of the bow that faces the violin. If you look carefully at the bow, you will see it's a hexagon near the pinky. Find the flat spot on the bow that faces you more and it'll be easier to keep your pinky in one spot. Hope that helps! It's tough to explain through words and not action.
I've tried your practising advice and my playing has started to improve :)
I still have some bouncing when changing from up to going down with collapsed fingers. Do you have a video showing how to solve this bouncing?
This video might help: ua-cam.com/video/fq7MyBe0E7I/v-deo.html
However, most of the issue you are talking about is caused by the bow being tightened too much (which increases bouncyness) and a hand that's too tight. Developing a relaxed bow hand takes years. The most important part is practicing deliberately and with purpose. Be aware of how your hand is working all the time.
@@KennedyViolins I appreciate it :)😊
@@waelkash Glad to help!
Hey Kennedy...thanks a lot for your video. I want to ask you: why does my bow tremble when I do the colle downwards? Is it tension?
Ya, a shaky bow is usually caused by some kind of tension in your hand, wrist, elbow, or arm. Slightly turning the bow away from you, so you are not completely flat-haired on the string will usually help a bit but relaxing is mostly the key. Tension usually starts in your slightly raised shoulder and gets transferred to your arm/hand. Also, pay attention to your jaw. If you are clenching your jaw during some difficult passages, this can also translate down your arm. It's a process and nobody is perfect. 😉
@KennedyViolins thank you...I guess I have a long way to go...I can't read music, that difficults a little more I guess. Thanks a lot for your reply.
@@denismontano73 Well, colle generally takes several years of practice before it feels "natural" and works, so you just have to keep at it. Perhaps I should do a video on how to teach yourself to read music. Thanks for the idea!
@KennedyViolins Thank you for your kindness and attention!! God bless you
@@KennedyViolins hey buddy, I was thinking if you could do a video on how to gain speed on the bow...some simple exercises if it is possible please...
Another great lesson on bow handling. I came home & found my wife in bed running the bow across the strings for the first time ( SPRUNG IN THE ACT😂 ) well you may have a new student.❤❤🎻🎻
Glad to help!
Ima use these because I’m a beginner violin
That's good.
Joel, I have a very basic question … Am I supposed to hold my middle finger and thumb in the curve of the frog so that the tips are touching or am I supposed to secure them on the wood of the frog beyond the crux of the curve?
Hello Paul, where your fingers lie on the bow is completely determined by the length of your fingers, so everybody is going to look a bit different. The most important aspect of your hold is that your fingers are laying down and you are NOT holding them up. The idea is that they are completely relaxed. Many people raise their fingers in an effort to "hold" the bow better. If you are holding them up or exerting a force to keep them in a particular position, then the fingers will not be relaxed, and being relaxed and flexible is the whole point!
I was hoping you were going to say whether or not your thumb should be curved into that space or not exactly
Its actually not happening with me......
Bow is falling down from my hand........
How much time does it take to master it......?.??
About 116 years on average.
@@KennedyViolins whattt.........?
How much you took to do it?
@@soumyadeepkamila3214 :)
My fingers always slip on the bow.
Although it helps when the bow is laying on the violin strings. I can see I need to do these exercises a lot. So you went to the Eastman huh that's just about a couple blocks from where I live
Excellent video
Thanks!
Where are you located? Do you rehair bows, by chance?
Our shop is in WA state. We do rehair bows! If you have any other questions just let me know. 😃
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My fingers slip a lot especially my pinky
Yes, that's super common. Just remember that the violin holds up your bow, not your hand. Also, place the tip of your pinky on the flat part of the hexagon shape that is nearest you rather than the very top of the bow. That'll help keep it bent. 👍
What a bunch of jumbled-up information. He is talking about one type of motion, and then he shows another one! Do you know that not a single great Russian player, like Oistrakh, Kogan, Tretiakov, Kremer, Vengerov, and many more never even heard of any "colle"? And they have the smoothest bow changes in the world. No, colle is useful for the Third movement of the Mendelssohn concerto but NOT for creating smooth bow changes.
Absolutely cannot push my fingers straight out and still hold onto the bow
My violin BLEW UP….1GAJILLION PIECES…..Thanks! &&&
Is that good??? 🙃
i’m not even sure why i’m watching this i play cello.
You have good taste in viewing habits?
I have to admit, these exercises are most irritating than helpful. I’m trying to bring the bow up and down by extending my thumb and pinky, but the weight of the bow towards the tip is too much. I can’t extend my thumb and pinky without losing the bow. And my fingers are in the position they need to be. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong or if I have exceptionally weak fingers.
Everybody has a different anatomy and it's quite possible that your arm length is not long enough to be able to fully extend your bow to the tip without your fingers losing the "perfect" hold on the bow. This is normal and will improve as your finger flexibility on the bow improves with practice. Also, remember that if you feel like you are going to drop the bow, you are probably holding it correctly! 🤪
Don't do them. They are useless anyway because no one plays with fully extended fingers and thumbs. Bunch of crap. Go watch Violinclass videos about the bow hand, you will get some valuable information there.
I’m in band why am I here
You have awesome taste in your viewing habits? 😉