Plying From A Center Pull Ball Changes Your Twist!
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2021
- Have you heard that plying from a center pull ball changes your twist? Today we will do a spinning experiment to create yarn samples and swatches to really get a good look at what happens to the yarn. Will you still play from a center pull ball after seeing the outcome of this experiment?
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If you want to know more about how different plying methods affect your twist including bracelet plying, check out my article in the 2023 Ply Magazine "Science" issue. simplecirc.com/ply-magazine/i...
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If you want to know more about how different plying methods affect your twist including when bracelet plying, check out my article in the 2023 Ply Magazine "Science" issue. simplecirc.com/ply-magazine/item/8128/the-science-issue-40
I actually prefer the centre pull yarn. I want my spun yarn to have more texture/ character or else I would just buy normal yarn
Thank you for saying so! I really wanted it to be clear that it does change the yarn, but it's most certainly not wrong if you like it that way! Happiest of happy spinning, fiber friend! 😊✨🧶❤🌷
I agree!
I like that answer 😁
I think it's cool how the uneven twist between the two strands results in a texture that reminds me of art yarn!
As a visual learner your centre pull demonstration with the tp was invaluable for me. I will easily remember which pull adds twist and which way removes twist🥰
Can you take the center pull ball and place it on a DPN or lazy Kate? That might mostly mitigate the twistin issue
this is one of those things that we can make lot of logical assumptions... and it all makes sense... but without someone actually doing the experiment, we don't really know how it all plays out. so many little things about this you have shown us.
Exactly! So...if you are pulling the yarn off the end of the spindle vs. putting the spindles into a lazy kate set up... well, I'll let you experiment! 😁❤🧶✨
@Denise Matteau if you have multiple spindles, you can ply directly from them. i often place them into jars to hold them mostly upright whorl down and let the single come off the end of the spindle. but there are also lazy kates you can get specifically for spindles that will support them to let them feed off the side like a bobbin.
@Denise Matteau My favourte way to ply off spindles is to suspend them on a fishing hook that will go all the way around, and I tension the bottoms with elastics. My second favourite way if I want to travel is to pull them off into a plying ball but I wind them around a rock in the center. For some reason it makes a difference.
Now I'm gonna go goodle DIY soda-bottle Lazy Kate.
Whenever we need her the most she returns 🥰🥰
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Thanks for doing this and especially making the swatches. My earlier yarns I played from a center pull and the big fluffy areas always looked and felt under twisted. I currently ply from two bobbins and bracelet ply the leftover from a bobbin into the rest. No left overs.
That's how I finish off many of my skeins too. It works so well! I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Happy spinning! 😊✨🧶💜
@@JillianEve can you please explain why bracelet plying (I assume you're talking about andean) is better then a centre pull ball? To my newbie eye, it's the same thing with a different shape
Both swatches are pretty. Personally, I love the character of the yarn plied from the center pull ball. It does look interesting like hand spun. Variety is the spice of life, so it is perfect on it’s own and the other swatch is too...just a matter of preference.
I was just about to say that! I like both :)
Yarn barf is my new favourite phrase.
What a great demonstration of the different 2-ply options! Thanks so much for knitting up the swatches. The end result is more subtle thank I expected.
Glad it was helpful! I agree, I thought there would be a bigger visual difference in the swatch than what it ended up with. I think that goes to prove the point that sampling is so important! ✨🧶😊
Thank you so much for doing this science! I've tried to explain this so many times but always fall short.
One thing I noticed: I'm pretty sure if you do the toilet paper experiment again, you'll see that whole both ends of the toilet paper are gaining twist, they're doing it in different directions. So with yarn, depending on which direction you spun your singles, one end will *gain* twist and one end will *lose* twist. So the end that loses twist is the ply that looks all puffy and underspun.
Oh wow! I'm going to go grab the toilet paper roll and look at that closer! I was thinking the difference in diameter from the center of the ball was what would have a bigger effect on how the twist changes. Now I need to do more experimenting! ✨🧶🤓
Oh, yes, please! And share us your results ? I was noticing the same thing by which end of the yarn cake was up compared to the twist direction plying from the outside only of two separate stationary cakes last time I plied.
@@JillianEve these comments must have been before you did the video with the toilet paper. I'm pretty sure I saw you do a video like that but I can't find it anymore.
@@JillianEve Yes, more experimenting with this please. Next time compare a center pull ball with andean plying, and plying from two bobbins 🧶👍🙏
When you pulled the toilet paper off the roll, the outer end gained Z-twist, while the inner was gaining S-twist. If you flipped the roll over, The outer would gain S-twist and the inner would gain z-twist, because you would reverse the direction the tp was winding off. If you pull the outer and inner off in opposite directions, they will gain the same type of twist, albeit at a different rate, unless the ball is fairly small and diameter of the core is reasonably close to the diameter of the outside (as is usually the case with a plying bracelet). Which type of twist they gain will depend on whether the yarn is coming off the ball counterclockwise or clockwise. I used to not like plying with a plying bracelet because of the discrepancy in the twist, until I realized that the center tail needed to come out of the back of the bracelet, not the front. it's still not the same as plying off a spool, but it's not nearly as bad as winding off both ends in the same direction. (Actually, the plying bracelet *doesn't* add/remove twist, because it winds off back and forth, it's just the center pull ball that creates an issue, but to different extremes, depending on how that center is coming out relative to the outer tail)
I wonder if you could get a different result by using a different winding method for a center-pull ball. A ball winder winds like a bobbin, albeit at an angle, but when using a nostepinne or similar, you're typically winding over the end and affecting the twist (I think it's theoretically possible to undo some of that in the plying, but the asymmetry seems like it will still remain in some way)
I have wondered about this before because it obviously is different than plying from two bobbins. I just put it out of my mind with the reasoning of stop overthinking things. I appreciate you taking the time to work through it, and actually show the difference. Welcome back btw. You were missed.
Thank you so much! I'm really glad you enjoyed my experiment! 😊🧶💜✨
Working from both ends of a center pull cake has never worked for me, though I never knew exactly why I was unhappy with the results. Thanks, Jillian!
Glad I could help!
Glad to see you back. We all missed you. Great visual! Thanks for sharing.
It’s interesting to think that I’ve probably critiqued some of my spinning over the years as inconsistent, having assumed that the improvement necessary was in my drafting… not realizing that I was undoing some of consistency. I often ply Turkish turtles with themselves and I wonder if the same thing occurs!
I wonder that too! We need more experiments! 💖🧶😊
I was just thinking the same thing. I’ve been trying numerous methods with my drop spindle plying and now I think I might ply from two separate cakes rather than from one. I’m going to have 4 ounces of Cheviot to ply. I will weigh each of the four balls to try to ply with two closest in weight and see how that goes!
Thank you so much for this demonstration! I love plying from a centre pull ball when I've got a limited amount of fibre/yarn, like when I only have 50/100g of roving or sample fibre to spin... no leftover singles.
Now I know there's a difference and it really doesn't affect the end result for what I'm doing. :)
Hi Evie, I hope you're all OK and that you enjoyed your break.
I was only thinking about you earlier about how good it would be to see you & hey just like that you're here.
The scientific information you gave on whether to ply from centre pull balls or ply from bobbins was really interesting. I was wondering if this would be the same as the Andean plying method, but using centre pull balls instead.
Thankyou so much for this video podcast on the Science behind plying..
Happy Spinning.
Take care and stay safe.
Love to you all. Jen xxxx ❤💖
This is an awesome question! So, what you are thinking of is probably "bracelet plying" even though a lot of people in the United States call it "Andean plying." Real Andean plying involves wrapping two separate strands of yarn into a plying ball, which can be quite large, but isn't wrapped around the wrist. The wrist wrapping or bracelet plying is a trick to finish off a bit of excess at the end of a spindle. It looks similar to a center pull ball, but since it is a wrapping method that goes back and forth over the hand rather than around the hand, I don't think the twist is affected in the same way as a center pull ball. It is probably worth some experimenting though, maybe in another video? Thanks so much for watching Jen! 🧶✨❤😊
@@JillianEve Hi Evie, thankyou so much for your reply . It was just that I saw someone plying over her hand. I think she was just using small amounts that she'd spun on her wheel. That was the reason for my question. If you can find time to do a video on this would be great.
Thanks again for your answer to my quetion.
Happy Spinning
Take care and stay safe .
Lots of love Jen xxxx 💘👍🐑
@@jenniferbrighty5120 oh yes! That's a bracelet ply! I always check because sometimes spinning terms mean different things to different spinners. 😊 Lots of fiber friends had similar questions about it so I really think we need more experiments and more videos! ❤🧶😊
Thank you for that. It has explained the results I was getting in my yarns. Now a much happier spinner!🤗💓🙏
Record-keeping and experimentation is the best way! I started making a log of all my spinning, WPI, g/yard ratios, preparation, and it helps so much! Recently I tried spinning two samples, one from rolags and the other from the prepared top. Yardage was more or less the same, but loft was so different!
Absolutely! The grist is real! 😊✨🧶❤🌷
Thanks for that, I had no idea there would be a difference.
She's back! We love you Jillian!
Yay! More spinning videos! 🎉🎉🎉✨🧶💜😊
I'd been wondering what happened with some of my old handspun vs my more recent stuff, and I realized this is probably what's at play.
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When I started spinning I searched youtube for various techniques and saw how the center-pull plying was not for me. Then I came upon the Andean Plying Tool. It creates bracelet-type plying balls from large amounts of yarn (up to 50 grams on mine, but you can get larger ones) without tying up your hand. It doesn't add as much uneven twist (though there is some) as the center-pull. I wouldn't ply any other way now.
I'm going to do some bracelet plying experiments soon. I hope you'll enjoy it since bracelet plying is your favorite method. You'll have to let me know what you think! 😊
Another thing to test is to see if the difference in the plys changes if you wind the ball by hand. Using a ball winder does not add or subtract any twist as far as I could see because the yarn does not cross over the center. I know when I hand wrap a ball on a noste pinne (uncertain of the spelling) or on say my thumb the winding action does change the twist. The change per length of yarn will be different depending on whether it is in the center where there were many wraps per length or the outside where it might be one or two wraps.
You are right! I need to do more experiments with this! 🤓🧶💖
I LOVE chainply from center pull ball. From the outside inwards. There is no tension which I do have when I chainply from a bobbin.
This has nothing to do with your video but I meant it as a tip.
This is very relevant though, because there are so many ways to ply and different ways to use center pull balls! Thanks for the tip! 💜✨🧶😊
@@JillianEve thank you ☺️
I don't know if you'd be able to see it as clear in crocheting. It looks cool, both ways! Thank you for teaching this. :)
That's a gamechanger. Wow! I never knew why my handspun finished skeins never looked as smooth as other spinners' handspun yarns. I do ply with center pull balls almost exclusively.
Thank you so much for taking the time to create this experiment. Also, i love your attitude!
This was very interesting. I think I will do the same experiment and also do a chain ply swatch so I can feel the texture. Thank you
Glad it was helpful! I would love to know how your experiment turns out too! 🌷✨🧶💜😊
I experimented early this year with re-plying some early attempts on my spindle, or just older stuff I handspun years ago. What a difference! In some cases, I ended up with pretty energized yarn but it washed and set just fine. Except for the time I took a Aran weight woolen spun down to a high twist sport weight and couldn't use that skein in my sweater anymore!
Oh no! I hope that yarn finds a project eventually... and that you can finish your sweater! 💜✨🧶
LOL!! NO one tells me not to ply from a center pull ball! Great video!!
Welcome back! This was super interesting. When I first started spinning I was using the center pull ball method to ply since that was what I had available to me. And I could not understand why it came out so wibbly wobbly! Fun little lesson in physics, I suppose :P After all that frustration you'd have to pry my lazy kate and bobbins from my cold dead hands lol!
It sounds like your lazy kate isn't so lazy. Maybe, "hard working kate?" Lol! 🧶✨💜😊
Such a helpful and interesting experiment!! I also recently learned that pulling from either one side of the center pull ball (I don't remember if it was the center or the outer end) it spins in opposite direction and you actually untwist the yarn!
Thank you for posting this video! I had been wondering about this for a while but I have always plied a center pull because I didn't think I was spinning consistently enough to finish with similar yardage on 2 bobbins.
hmm I wonder how the ply would look from a centerpull if the singles were spun 'S' and compare it. Awesome experiment, I always wondered and I don't think I really mind either, specially if I have a 200gram bobbin and a bracelet ply just wont cut it. Thank you for this!!!
Oh....my....goodness moi! You are a complete and utterly genius! I always mostly ply from a centre pull ball, and recently I something was niggling away in my mind about twisty direction and sometimes I just think, oh I love it so don't think about it to hard. Your explanation with the loo roll, boom, and there it was, explained. Thank you so very much..... I've been away from spinning a little while but its sneaking back in there. I feel the two bobbin yarn is a 'professional ' finish and center pull ball a rustic finish! Both blooming lovely, but ain't that spinning, do what you like, like what you do and its all fine. Thank you so much.....now to spin! X
Regarding difficulty of any braid to draft: try drafting from the opposite end.
Yes, yes! Especially if it's worsted and all the fibers were pulled in the direction they grew from the sheep - there be scales in them there hairs !!
When I am spindle spinning, I will often tear off hunks so that I have less floofy bits to manage, but I always keep track of which direction of the braid I'm working from. Well, theoretically I always want to keep track. Sometimes I lose track. Oh well!
i found this very helpful Evie. Thankyou for doing it for us!
This was so intetesting and so happy to have you back!!!!
Your work is amazing.
I love your videos! I learn sooo much. Thank you!!!
Science, yes. Thanks for doing this all the way through. Good to know, not guess.
If I have a small amount of yarn to ply, I will sometimes use a centre-pull ball BUT I do one of two things: 1 - I keep my finger between the two strands or 2 - if I have a button with large holes handy, I will feed the strands through the button.
What this does is it allows me to tension both strands separately.
Also, I don't like leftovers but if they happen then I will felt the last end to the shorter end and Andean-ply what is left.
If you ever re-visit this issue, maybe you could try these? I'm not all science-y like you. :) I just let the yarn be what the yarn wants to be. Not a good way for most but I'm okay with it.
If it works for you, then it's perfect! 💖
That was interesting! Thanks for sharing. And welcome back! 😁💕
Wild!
I looked up this video last night while spinning to decide whether I could do a center pull ball ply because I hadn’t divided my fiber before spinning… and guess what. I’m spinning malabrigo! And I had just said how difficult it has been to draft! I feel so seen! 🙌🏻
Excellent visual demo!
This was such a thorough and informative video! Thank you for your dedication, great production :)
I am curious if it would have made a difference if you had washed the yarn. Would the two yarns have looked even more different or maybe not as different, and how would that have affected your swatches? Good to see you back, blessings.
I wonder too... we might need some follow up experiments! 💖🧶
Yay glad to see you back! This was super helpful I was having issues plying to my drop spindle with center pull balls but I think it actually had something to with the yarn texture too. Some yarns like to grab on more than others.
That's so true! There are so many factors that go into our spinning and affect how the yarn turns out! Happy spinning, I'm glad the experiment was helpful! 🧶😊💜✨
Hi jillianeve
this is really important and interesting I'm going to discuss it at the weavers spinners and dying group and get there reaction.
This was so clear and precise clarifying the points.
I will pass on your videos to any one interested.
Thanks again
Sheila
Thank you.
So glad you had a good break. It's nice to see you back, - you and your infectious enthusiasm have been missed. Lots of love. Xx
Thank you so much!! 😊✨🧶💜
Thank you!! So helpful!
Great video. I just spun up a braid of malabrigo nube with the intention of trying a center pull ball plying. Have never done this before but wanted to give it a go. Love learning new things with spinning. Cannot wait to see how it turns out (have to wait for the cat on my lap to finish his nap)
Well slap me silly I've been doing it all wrong hahahaha good job I have more bobbins now yay xx
Haha! But, it's only wrong if you don't like your yarn in the end. Do you like your yarn? I think your yarn is beautiful!!! 😊✨🧶💜
Oh my gosh thank you so much I was just about to start plying when I saw this. I’m so glad I did. It will be my first time plying anything
Great explanation! Great demonstration!
Really interesting video. Since I always ply from center-pull ball (on drop spindle), I have found that the yarn becomes more uniform if you hold the fluffier part of the center pull with more tension than the less fluffy part while drafting them, out. Also I apply more twist, and that also makes the plied yarn more consistent.
What a helpful demonstration. Thanks
I love the visual with the toiletpaper, it made it so clear. Your skill to explain but also do it in an fashion so that I want to hear what you have to say is so great! I would have liked that some teachers I had in the past would have owned that skill. Thank you, I enjoyed it so much.
I'm so glad you enjoyed it! 😊🧶💖
That was really interesting thanks, and reassuring, as I tend to ply from two bobbins, but then if there’s lots left on one bobbin and the other is finished, I then make and ply from a centre pull ball with the leftovers. And I have never noticed any difference when knitting, but I see exactly what the difference is on your podcast. Thank you.
I'm so glad you enjoyed my experiment! It could be that you don't see a difference because the diameter between the wrapping of the inside and the outside of your center pull ball is closer. I have a guess that the twist is less affected when the quantity of yarn is smaller. Maybe we need more experiments? Happy spinning! 🧶✨😊💜🌷
Very neat experiment!! Thank you.
Thanks for watching, and I'm glad you liked it! Happy spinning! 😊✨🧶💜
One of the best videos!!! Love to see comparisons...do more of these!! Thanks!!!!!
Thank you!
This is a kind of science that I really like! Thank you for getting into the fibrelab, I think I´m also gonna try this at home!
Thank you for carrying your experiment all the way to a knitted swatch. Invaluable information. For me, it let me decide to do my plying from bobbins rather than center pull cakes. I enjoy the character of homespun & I do get that because of the slight variances in my spinning. I'm a history fan as well so thanks for interjecting those interesting aspects. Something I'd love to see you cover in detail is how to calculate the yardage you get per ounce of fiber so you know how much to buy for the project you have in mind. Much of what I've read is a bit confusing to me. Thanks for another excellent video .
I think the way you illustrated the whole concept was very cleaver and easy to understand. Definitely not something I really considered putting much thought into but it does make a difference.
This was so helpful to see. Thank you for posting this video.
You are so welcome! Happy spinning! 🧶💖😊
Wow that was a great learning video. She's back!!! ❤️
Thank you 🤗 Yay! I'm back! 🎉🎉🎉✨🧶😊💜
I dont use centre pull balls but I do use plying bracelets when I'm doing little bits of spindle spun yarn for nålebinding (spin a bit, work a bit) because then I dont get bored with either thing. I havent noticed much of this but then the amounts are smaller...
I think we need some more experiments to explore how plying bracelets affect the yarn twist! I also love that you use your handspun for nålebinding! 💜🧶✨😊
@@JillianEve well, I'm going to be spindling at Vike events, seems silly not to use the yarn that produce for Vike clothes. Also did some tablet weaving with silk but I wheel spun that. From an oseberg style hand distaff as that seemed the easiest way to control silk top...
Wow that’s so interesting! I’ve been plying 2 yarn cakes together using the outside ends, do you think that changes the twist as well? I’m super new to spinning and would have never thought about this at all. Thanks for the video
With malbrigo if you steam it before using it it's easy to spin afterwards x
So interesting! Thank you
That is a brilliant tip!!!!
I'm so glad I can help x
Great video! Thank you very much. I have learned so much from your videos and I so very grateful for your advice!
Adean plying is wastless and without twist inconsistencies, and it gives great control when plying.
Bracelet plying is great!
I just tryed this,, 😮,, had some yarn left after plying,, also have the same cake roller"like yours 😅❤ so i tryed your magic,,, and it works,,, you are brilliant ❤, thank you,.. 🙏☺️
I really like your video where you show the toilet paper or ribbon or whatever and pulling from the center in the outside at the same time showing how you basically end up with one wrapping around the other, however I have looked for that again and couldn't find it.
Terrific.
Thank goodness your back! We've missed you! I absolutely love your necklace, owls are my favorite, and it fits perfectly because you are always sharing your vast wisdom with us! Thank you so much Evie!
Thank you so much! My grandmother who taught me to knit loved owls too. I feel like she's with me when I'm knitting sometimes. 🥰🦉🧶
That's beautiful! I've just always been drawn to them. They are breathtakingly gorgeous in person.
Thank you so much for this demonstration. I am a beginner but think analytically about things and wondered if the twist was affected by Andean or center pull. Now I know! You're my go to for spinning help.
Great info thanks
Awesome to see you!
You too! ✨🧶😊
Nice summary. Always wondered about the different spin rate of the center pulled cake. Using the TP makes it really clear.
Glad it was helpful and happy spinning!!! 😊💜🧶✨🌷
Brilliant!!!! Thanks Eve for this great video!!! 🦉 (Love the necklace!)
😊 thank you 🦉
I've been reading about felting singles. Such an interesting concept?? Would love to see you explore this with demos and comparisons!!
That was interesting to watch and see the difference. Enjoyed the video.
Thank you, I'm so glad you enjoyed it! Happy spinning! 😊✨🧶❤🌷
You're Awesome! Thanks for testing this. I will sometimes ply from a center pull ball when I have a smaller amount and I've always wondered about the twist. Logically you know it has to have an effect, but you demonstrated it. Good for the right reason. THANKS!
I'm so glad you enjoyed seeing my "experiment"! 😊✨🧶❤🌷
Thanks to you for understand to me
Wow! That's actually a very good visual!
I tried using ribbon, but it was hard to see. Then I was like... I know! TOILET PAPER! 🤣
I assume this would be the same for yarn plied from a plying bracelet too🤷🏼♀️ great video - thank you 🙏
I really thing we need to do more experiments for plying bracelets! The yarn wraps back and forth instead of around, so it might behave differently? 😊✨🧶💜
@@JillianEve I wondered that… perhaps another science video is needed…🤷🏼♀️😂🙏
This is brilliant thank you for doing such a comprehensive test and. Loved that you knitted up the swatches to compare. I think I prefer to have equal twist in each ply so will probably stick to plying two bobbins.
I’m halfway through and I’ve already learned a lot!
Awesome! 😊✨🧶❤🌷
Great video! I really only used this center pull with my turkish spindle plying. I was doing 2 ply separate bobbin with my wheel for mostly. Just recently, I finally tried chain ply and love it! I don't know if i will ever 2 ply again lol.
I wonder if the turtle will affect the twist in the same way as a center pull ball. There are different wrapping methods around the spindle arms that could make a difference also. This is leading me to think up more experiments! 🤓🧶✨😊
Brilliant 😮❤
Glad to see you! I'm in the middle of a center pull ball project! So I almost covered my ears, but I'm glad to know this. I almost exclusively do CPB or chain-ply precisely because I don't like leftovers! But now that I am more consistently spinning maybe my two or three bobbin plying would be less waste? It's all fun no matter what. Thanks for the great video!
I hope you saw at the end there wasn't a huge difference between the swatches though! I promise, center pull balls aren't horrible if you still like your yarn! 🧶✨😊💜
Hi! I am a spindle spinner and I ply my singles on themselves. The test I always run is to see if the resulting skein is under- or over-twisted. I hang the skein in front of me, and if it turns away to my right it is under twisted. If it turns away to my left it is over-twisted. If it hangs straight, it is balanced.
Thanks for the visual! I try to ply from 2 bobbins but I'm still new to all of this, and a lot of what I've spun is small amounts of largely unlabeled wool, so I have tended to spin it all onto 1 bobbin, and then depending how much it makes, if it's half a bobbin or more I tend to make a centre pull, and less I tend to do a plying bracelet. I find if there is a lot on the bobbin it's hard to manage in a bracelet (maybe someone can give me some tips!) I've also played with plying different colours (maybe different fibres too sometimes since, as mentioned, some is unlabeled!)
I love the idea someone had in the comments of keeping a spinning journal, and noting different things they tried (I did this when I was a kid first taking riding lessons, and it helped a bundle then!) I think I will have to begin this habit for spinning :)
Plying bracelets are great, but I usually only use them for smaller amounts of yarn too. I agree, keeping a journal is awesome and increases the rate of learning! ✨🧶💜😊
Hi Evie!! I haven't even watched the video yet, I just wanted to say that you were missed! Thank you for the video! Ok, I'm going to watch it now lol
Yay! Thank you! 💜🧶✨😊
Thank you so much for doing this comparison, being a fairly unseasoned spinner, it sated my curiosity.
I wonder if the same hold true for chain -ply vs three ply yarns. Thank you for doing this demo!
16:22 😂😂 made me chuckle. Thanks for another great video!
Haha! I had fun making this one! That's my know it all professor voice. Lol! 🧐🤓😂
I mostly ply from center pull balls for that one reason of no yarn unspun or left behind but I never thought that it could add twist some how that's very interesting, WB been a while since your last upload hope you and family are good 👍🙂
Thanks! I had a great month off with my family, enjoying summer! 😊✨🧶❤🌷