HiFiMAN Arya vs Focal Clear vs Audeze LCD-X: Which high end headphones should you buy?
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
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00:00 Intro and amping
02:00 Build, Design & Comfort
04:55 Technical performance
09:48 Tonality and frequency response
14:02 Recommendations and Conclusion
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Great review, pretty much spot on. If anyone is interested, I'm comparing Clears, Aryas and LCD-3 (through Reveal EQ plugin, should be on par with X) for the past week or so, and here are some thoughts :
1. Arya is the most spacious, LCD is the most intimate but still with the planar separation, Clear is the most conventional.
2. Clears sound like a great set of hi-fi speakers, LCDs sound like being in a room (relatively tight space) with the band, Aryas are like being in a large hall with the band.
3. LCDs have a tight and impactful sound (especially the midrange), Aryas have a distant and slightly hollow sound (mids are really recessed), Clears are more even and good in all areas.
It's hard to compare the Clears to the other two, as dynamics just have a different sound to them compared to the planars.
I take LCDs EVERY TIME listening to rock, metal, anything that has live instruments and is supposed to be intense. Something that aims for a room feel.
I take Aryas EVERY TIME listening to spacious electronica (trance, house, techno, chillout, liquid dnb, even tighter technical dnb has an upper hand on Aryas most of the time), acoustic performances meant for large spaces, live performances in large spaces.
I find that if I play something that is meant to be tight and intense on Aryas it sounds artificially distant and hollow, if I play something that is meant to sound spacious on LCDs it's still ok but compared to the Aryas it's compromised.
Clears are in between, they can do a bit of soundstage, they can do slam, they are really crisp and clear, can play well with any genre (you might need to drop the highs a bit for more intense rock and metal), but they do sound more like a set of speakers as opposed to being in a spaces with the music in comparison. If you never compare back to back you will probably not notice it much though.
All 3 are great, you can have all 3 and not double on anything pretty much.
Other bits :
- Aryas require a lot of amping . You pretty much need to buy a balanced cable ... the one bundled with headphone is not balanced and mediocre ... so that will be an added cost for the Aryas. (or have a high output single ended like Chord stuff or a desktop amp, after more investigation it’s more the power on tap and less the cable, however changing the cable also made a difference)
- Focals win on build, packaging, presentation, weight, efficiency, balance. LCD is close second on build. Aryas feel like a £500 headphone build, fit, packaging etc. which is a real shame (at the time of writing they go for about £1350) ... but they are also light ... in fact really light and fit tight for a planar.
- Clears are great for playing electric / electronic instruments (tight and snug fit, decent efficiency, sound very open and natural, cables are a joy to use), so for playing an electric guitar on headphones Clears take it hands down. You could use Aryas for playing live instruments as well, but you need decent low latency amping and better (longer etc.) cables ... so it might not be ideal (especially amping required).
- All 3 work amazing as studio headphones for mixing and supplementary references for mastering (you need the Reveal plugin for LCDs though which thankfully is free and comes in all common plugin formats AU, VST etc.).
- Clears are super loud outside, all 3 are open obv but clears sound like small mobile speakers, no joke, you will annoy people if you don't lock yourself in a room :P
Update on Aryas : just got a balanced lead for them and plugged them to higher power balanced out. Oh boy, what a difference. Bass goes up, lower mids up, mids in general get sharpened up, this counters against the top end. The sound gets a LOT more full and balanced if you pardon the pun. They really need a higher output amp, no question. On this setup they sound a lot closer to LCDs.
Kris Rudecki what amp are you using with your balanced leads? I'm really tempted by the Arya.
rocco036 I’ve done my testing on FiiO Q5s. Thinking about it, it probably has more to do with power (FiiO has 2x the power on balanced) than the balanced out itself. Arya needs a lot of power, so make sure you have a decent amp. Q5s in balanced is a decent minimum, I wouldn’t go any lower.
Kris Rudecki after looking all bloody day I'm going to either go with the Monolith with built in DAC by Monoprice, or the SMSL SP200 & their SU-8 DAC. All available in the UK, much appreciated👌🏼.
rocco036 haven’t had the chance to try these but SU 8 + Smsl thx aaa sounds like a good setup for Aryas 👍
Perfect timing, I’ve been looking into all three of these! Only been able to listen to the Clears in person so far but I’m a big fan. Great comfort and sound.
Thanks for the review, i actually ended up with the Focal Clear in the Pro edition for the extra cable pack, very nice set of phones.
Your reviews are magnificent detailed and polished. Wow! Thank you.
Really great video. U are my favorite audio reviewer. Love how u get all the info out, precise, relaxed but professional at the same time. Was lucky to land a pair of clear pros new for 900. Loving them so far. Just need to figure out a amp and DaC. They do sound fine out of my Hiby R5. Keep up the great work!
Nice comparison! Never heard the Arya but I'm a fan of the Clears. Very enjoyable headphone. So clear haha.
Perfect! I was looking around for a new pair, specifically the Arya and the LCD X.
A very informative and helpful review and so I bought my Focal Clear today (the black version) as a Christmas present to myself. Prices have dropped greatly over the last 18 months (especially since the MG was released which isnt that much better) so now they are a steal!
Love this type of comparison. Please do for different price categories 500, 1000,1500 etc. Great job
Thanks for your opinion on this awesome headphones. Actually i'm comparing and deciding between the Arya and the Clear just these days at home ;) Quite difficult as they are both really great headphones and though different in some aspects, quite comparable in total performance.
Great and more objective comparison.
I notice a lot of reviewers don't mention about timbre, which is also important and usually planar's weakness.
i just wanted to say THANK YOU. Based on your summary i chose the Clear for my taste in music (post rock, stoner etc.) and i could no be more happy.
I needed this comparison....THANK YOU!!!!
Same here! I have an Auteur and I am looking for something to compliment it. All of these three are really tempting...
Giuseppe Afellay Clear is the brighter Auteur. Arya might be up your alley as a compliment.
Great review. Picked up some Focals and they are sonic heaven and so so so clean.
Thanks for the video. I was lucky enough to find an audio shop open yesterday and got to spend 3 hours deciding my next headphone.. i spent over an hour comparing the arya vs clear all on their stock se cable through the hpa2 (benchmark dac3 hgc). Comfort wise the arya wins hands down.. plus the were so easy to put on and take off.. in terms of sound, i chose the arya over the clear in almost every song i tested them on (blues, jazz, edm, house, classical, instrumental, choir, bob marley, metallica, rnb and hiphop), while its true the clear has more bass slam and punch over the arya, but bass drops are handled much better on the arya; at least from my own listening. The clear just wasnt exciting. It had nothing up its sleeve, tho its presentation of sound was really good but, it never wowed whilst i had moments with the arya i could not forget (bocelli’s voice in The Prayer, the constant simbals in eva cassidy’s rendition of Blue Skies, etc etc) Next was arya vs hedd, comfort and ease again went to the arya but i do prefer the comfort of the hedd over the clear. took less than 15mins to decide the arya was the obvious winner running both off their stock cables as i had to crank the volume up to 2 oclock for the hedd to match arya’s 11. Switched the cables on the hedd to a nordost heimdall 2 with its xlr to se extension cable and still the arya was beating the hedd.. And then the shop owner took off the se extension and plugged the xlr jack straight into another amp (spl phonitor x) when things became complicated.. the two headphones were so equal in terms of wins where each were better over the other but the hedd were much better over the arya in its wins while the arya was just slightly better than the hedd in its wins (except for the bass region where the arya was much superior). There was an instance where the hedd made me forgot why i was there for and sat through 4 whole songs in my playlist (mariah carey’s my all, three little birds, paganini’s caprice no. 24, and a marimba and strings track performed by the national taiwan symphony orchestra) all on the hedd without remembering to switch back to the aryas. the hedd sounded exactly like it looks, thicc! so it sounds much fuller over the arya. i ended up buying the heddphone, sadly i didnt get to go home with one as their stock would only come in next week sighhh. At least that gives me time to find a decent xlr cable for them i guess cause boy do they need it! So for those deciding to get the hedd, you must make sure to run them balanced on a strong amp as the difference is night and day! If acquiring such amplification would be impossible then, go for the arya. They sound so so good and feel like a feather to wear.
I also got to spend time with the stelias and that focal is just AMAZING for closebacks.. if only they were 1/4 cheaper than their asking price..
Grady hahaha its made in germany! so trust that every gram on it has purpose lol. still waiting for mine to be shipped :/
I was so psyched about Arya until the Hedd came on my radar. Thank you soo much for your words, just solidified my pick of the Hedd over Arya & LCD X. Planning on running them with the RME -ADi -2 and MassDrops THX 789. Any balanced cable you may suggest, heard it also shares same balanced cables with Audeze
I agree, Clear isn't that exciting, esp at first listen. It represents music very as-is, reminds me of my HD600 in that regard. Should work great for mixing/mastering, haven't tried that yet though. If one's going to use just one headphone for everything, Clear should be high on the list.
@@ZeBubba agree, if the aim is for just 1 headphone, the clear would be the better jack of all trade and being a dynamic driver and its build, much less to worry about in the long run lol
Just the review I was waiting for. Well done.
Found a local store that had Focal Clears Pro on sale, auditioned them vs. few other Sennheiser models and it was an easy purchase.
Great review. I own HD599 and 660s, first amplified with SMSL SP200, and they sound really good, but recently I bought Soundblaster X7 and now the listening experience is way better. On top of that I purchased Arya two days ago, instead of 800s, because I would like to hear a new sound signature. I hope this is the right choice.
A question. Do I really need a balanced cable for Arya?
I got the Focal Clear Pros earlier this year from Sweetwater. LOVE THEM! Best headphones I've ever heard, personally. PC > Foobar2K > Schiit Gumby > Monoprice Cavalli Liquid Platinum > Focal Clear Pro
Same! Sweetwater is amazing
That's a really nice setup
@@ChildrenOfDesire Thanks! I recently upgraded my Solid State amp to a Burson Soloist 3XR. My other main headphones are the HiFiMAN HE6SE v1 and an Audeze LCD-XC [2018]. Love all of these!
@@r00s. Ooh nice. I'm getting a HE6SE v2 in the mail really soon too actually.
My setup is PC > Foobar2000 > Schiit Modius > Schiit Jotunheim 2 > Ananda, Sundara, LCD2, HD800S, AD2000. (Soon also HE6SEv2 and Arya) Also have Modius > Stax SRM-212 > Stax SR404 and SR202.
I do want to get a Schiit Lyr 3 and a better Stax Energizer but I'm really running out of room lol. Bifrost 2 on my mind as well.
I don't get Audiophiles. Contradictions. Some say that the Focal Clear is 95% of the Utopia. If that is true. The Focal Clear should be the clear winner in resolution and technical performance????
This is going to sound corny as hell, but that was my single favorite review in two years of this hobby and watching all headphone/audio UA-camrs. Thanks for this comparison. But also darn you because I was set on the Arya and now I gotta try the Clear. 🤣
Selling my Clear Professional. Save you on taxes and fees 😉. About 3 months old.
When I got my Abyss TC i sold my LCD-X and kept the clears. The clear is a great headphone.
Yes you must personally audition the two to know which suits you best. They are two very different beast.
Clears are amazing, IMO!
I would shy away from HiFIMan at this price range for its build and lack of a long warranty like the 3-Years provided with the Audeze. You also get 3 insanely built cables with the clear which you don't get with the other two headphones but with a 1-year warranty like the Arya.
Love my Arya and my Clear. Thanks for review
Have looked at all three at some point... Already had the highly "sound-stagey" hd800 and an LCD (2) - Clear's dynamic oomph made them easily the most interesting out of the three.
So I got em a month ago, haven't really listened to the others since. A very balanced and punchy sound, that should please most who aren't after the biggest staging. For such a fresh face in headphones they achieved a very mature physical design too: stylish and comfy.
Stiff cables don't bother me really, but the grey pads needed a wash after I got this used pair home. Now they're a-ok. Cheers!
As a first owner of Focal Clear Pro, I'm curious how did you wash them? What to look out for? I'm hoping that my red pads won't show as much stuff on them as the white ones do...
@@DBSTH0R Warm/hot water, let them sit there for a while. A bit of dishwashing liquid and very gentle rubbing. Nothing went wrong, but you better be aware of the risks. Especially those red ones could maybe lose their red color a bit, dunno. So, at your own risk: Clear pads are way expensive :D
@@ZeBubba So similar to washing a large mouse pad then? Thanks for the info. Luckely I have a spare set of pads with Clear Pro. :)
We need a 2021 update for this
Clear Mg vs Lcd X 2021 vs Arya stealth magnets
Yes please !!
This was a really helpful review.
I know this is an old video now but I'm really curious on if he redid this video with the Arya “Stealth” & LCD 2021 version & how they would all stack up now. Especially price was you can find all of them for just about $1000 or sub $1000 now
Why is your microphone so clean.. that’s the best sounding mic I’ve ever heard 🎙 🤯
It’s a good quality microphone.
@@Assimilator702 It's the AT2020 USB. It's sort of meh.
Andrew’s voice is like warm velvet
He'd sound less nasal through an SM57B with some compression :)
Wish he'd turn his well tuned ears to his vocal production lol
Great Review. I have 2 sets of focal clear mgs one pro version. Hifiman Arya stealths. I'm will get the LCD-X soon. That should cover my basis. Running through the new RME ADI 2/4 really made a big step up for the phones.
fantastic review, looking to get the last batch of Focal Clears
Mine are coming tomorrow, paid just under $1000 brand new! Always wanted the Arya but that build and the frequent mentioned driver defects made me stray far away from anything of Hifiman; they make great sounding audio products but I can't risk even paying $1000 for the Arya cuz of the QC. Audezes are too damn heavy to even listen for 5 minutes.
I’m not an audiophile but it’s nice to hear an audiophile talk about headphones because they go into so much detail about headphones and I would say I learn a lot in researching hi end cans
Thank you so much. I just about to get a good headphone. this video is so handy to help me making a decision
Great review, very detailed. Will the chord mojo drive the Aryas all the way?
Nice. Will you be looking at or reviewing the newer Audio Technica closed backs since you reviewed the AD5000x? Namely, the ATH-WP900, ATH-AWAS, and ATH-AWKT?
Nice to hear that you eq your phones. What do you use? I've been looking for something great..thx
Hello, have you considered ZMF Aelous to be part of these three Arya vs Clear vs LCD-X or even LCD-2
Great review.
Would be pretty curious to see how an EQ'd LC2C would fit into the mix. Supposedly they have a little less manufacturing variability than the LCD-X.
And what about the LCD-X 2021 revision and Clear MG? Could you remake this comparison with these new versions in mind?
I would love to see your review on the entry level Beyerdynamic headphones (DT770/880/990), especially the 880. Also I would love to see you review the DT1350 as well. I know that beyerdynamics are mostly considered sibilant but I think you might like the dt880 or the dt1350 quite a bit. Also the dt1350 is an on-ear so it would be refreshing to see something new. I know that on-ears are usually for portable use and for those shitty consumer headphones, but I think the dt1350 are pretty damn good for on-ears.
Hey Andrew! I saw you have Ibasso DX220 DAP....... I have it also and using it with Focal Clear....do you think that this combination is enough for unlock Clears full potential or better invest in some desktop amp or something like Ifi Black label to use with Ibasso DX220? Thanks!
Was about to cancel my purchase for lcd-x and get the clear until you mentioned glasses. I wear glasses and I have a terrible time getting a proper seal so thank you for mentioning that! Excellent review.
What eq do you use, and what kinds of edits do you make to the LCD -X sound signature?
Can we have a new video featuring the Stealth Arya, Clear Mg and Lcd X 2021 creator edition? Would be interesting to see!
Great review, as always with you. You still hold firm that the newer, silent revision of the Arya has “fixed” the treble peaks of the earlier version, right?
It's certainly improved on this one. Not sure that's due to unit variation or a revision. But it's not exactly a silent revision with this, it's quite obvious that the dust cover is different.
I can also confirm after trying them out that they were no offensive treble peaks in the newer revision
plad plad When was the newer revision made? I have the V1 and the treble is the thing that bothers me the most about this can. Other then that the weight, sub bass and mids are all great as well as the imaging and soundstage.
Hi, excellent video, do you need to burn in the focal clear if purchased new?
Is there any chance you could do the the review for the new Focal Clear MG Professional? I think there are many people out there curious how it compares to the original Clears/Pro...It will be really interesting to see if there's actually be a difference in tuning between the new models. As we all know “old” ones are the same tuning soundwise with different packaging and color schemes. So far only Clear Pro MG version was released....
Can we get a revisit on this with the LCD-X 2021?
I'm watching this as I'm waiting for the Arya to arrive and I've noticed the enhanced bass as well @ 13:13. I discovered this on the Sundara when trying to play with different pads and orientation! Pleasantly surprised to see someone else notice this.
Try holding a pair of Hifimans just a couple millimeters off the sides of your head, as if you're removing the headphone, and listen to a bassy song. Club vibes!
Will Astell & Kern AK100 ii be able to drive Hifiman Arya or I need more powerful DAC/AMP ?
This answers a question I had... kind of. I got the Arya a couple months ago and it’s awesome but I’ve been looking to get something a little more punchy and dynamic. I listen to everything ,more so now since I have the Arya, I’m listening to stuff I wouldn’t normally just because it sounds so damn good on the Arya. It’s really broadened my scope of musical appreciation. My true love though is metal ( Dark tranquility, in flames, older Opeth, Lamb of God, as well as black and folk, etc) so I was looking for something better suited for those genres and was torn between the clear and the x. This narrows that for me but I’m still wondering where the ZMF line might for into the mix
For older Opeth, the ZMF Verite is worth looking into. The gentle downslope with the 3-4khz dip is really nice for metal in general. But it sounds pretty darn awesome on an EQ'd LCD-X and Clear as well.
Great review, thanks. I'm thinking of some new headphones. I have some old Audeze LCD2c. They sound decent, a bit unexciting, but I find them too heavy for long periods of listening.
The Hifiman without a doubt has the highest profit margin out of the three. I wouldn't be surprised if the actual manufacturing costs less than 200 bucks
Would be surprised if any of them cost more than 200 dollars to manufacture to be fair. We're really paying for the R&D anyway, but yes no doubt the others would cost more to manufacture even without considering country of origin.
I would have arya in my collection long time ago but their price is way too high for what you get, I choose Clear because it is quality product with case and 3 cables to choose, still I dont have any Hifiman headphones in my collection they dont deserve my money for their overpriced items
@@soulfulfool sundara and edition xs are far from over priced
@@badgermcbadger1968 sundara never interested me I believe hd600 is better, XS with its lame build also dont buy me, ananda and arya are only options from chinese cheap build company its really a shame to price that high headphones build like shit
@@soulfulfool sundara vs hd600 is subjective and the ananda has the the same build quality as the xs. The xs has fine build quality, it's the qc that the real issue with hifiman.
What would you suggest for mixing, mastering ?
I am loking for good sub base control.
Great video!!! Got the Elegia on sale and with EQ I really like it. Without EQ its slightly thin on bass. I can now say I like the Focal sound signature. Definitely dynamic and exciting. I dont know though if I want the same signature with another model. Bought Arya about a week ago. Initial impressions were stellar. The imaging and soundstage is amazing. With some bass boost it comes alive even more. Problem is the shape hits me right on vertical jaw line. After a few hours it starts to get sore. I value in order comfort, sound, value, and build quality last. Unfortunately, Arya is going back. Wanted to try Anada, but same shape so its out. I just ordered the Sundara to try and see if it can get me somewhat close. Not expecting miracles. Value wise it seems like a great deal. Been eyeing the Clears and dreaming of Utopia or Stellia. Even the Elear is possible, but heard about the recessed mids. Might have to go to a CanJam just so I could hear em all and know which one I have to have. I really only want max 4 cans. Elegia stays for now so 3 spots left. Hoping Sundara could be spot 2. Then 3 and 4 can be big hitters while I save up and stomach the high cost. Arya was purchased to be my end game and was pushing the cost limit. Any suggestions?
Why the LCD-X and not the HD800 btw?
And very informative review.
Which one would you recommend between the LCD-X and Clear as an overall headphone?
How does the bass of the lcdx compare to the ananda and the arya, I just got my lcdx and Im very scared to have got a bad variación, they sound good but the bass and slam of my ananda feel pretty much the same...
If the Clear is preferred, is it worth the upgrade from the Elex? From what I can tell, the Elex is fairly close to the Clear.
For home portability, is a Dragonfly Cobalt sufficient to power the Arya?
Have you had any experience with the LCD-XC? I've heard that it comes shipped with more presence in the part of the spectrum where the LCD-X is recessed. In general it seems like an overlooked model.
@@metal571 I don't know, I think it being several hundred dollars more expensive than the arguably superior LCD-X is what makes it go unconsidered. I've only talked to a couple people with significant experience with both models and their thoughts were not so absolute.
I was contemplating all these headphones but ended up going with the ZMF Auteurs primarily due to your review. I also am a big fan of tubes and ZMF pairs so well with tubes. If anyone is into tubes or a warmer sound I would say people should also check out the Aeolus, Auteur, and Verite/VC (Bit outside price range)
Yes, I also think the Auteur is worth consideration among these.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow but you didn't include in the comparison video. Would you consider comparing the Auteur vs the winners of the respective categories in this review?
I.e auteur vs lcd x in build
Auteur vs clear in comfort
Etc
@@SeanLiu4 i don't think Auteur will win on detail retrieval and separation to Arya... depending on what you listen to and prefer... no 1 headphone fits all genres
@@TheHEADPHONEShow How's bass between auteur and clear?
I don't get Audiophiles. Contradictions. Some say that the Focal Clear is 95% of the Utopia. If that is true. The Focal Clear should be the clear winner in resolution and technical performance????
Hey, did you post EQ profiles for these anywhere?
Fanatastic review. Own both Arya and Clear. I agree with the evaluation.
Arya has amazing sounstage, great depth, pinpoint imaging, and crystal clear details. Some instruments sound spectactor. On a negative side instruments are really seperated due to the soundstage. Can feel like the left and right are too independent when there are no vocals in the middle. Highs can get uncomfortable with some songs, but it's rare. Also feels thin and not a full sound. Very revealing and can makes some songs sound bad. I find I am evaluating sounds more vs enjoying the song.
Clear is way more fun to listen to music and not get distracted. Bass is vastly superior. It's a perfect amount and makes the music sound full bodied. Sounstage is average. It is amazingly balanced. Nothing is louder and stands out. Build quality is stellar. Like a piece of jewelry. Vocals have slightly more texture. Negatives - not a lot of separation due to the smaller soundstage. Imaging and depth are not as good due to be balanced. This also provides less details. Hate to say it, but it's less clear.
One can 100% own both and enjoy both. Want to relax and enjoy music full bodied, grab the Clears. Want to be analytical and hear things you never heard before, grab the Arya. Both are phenomenal headphones!
I found the Aryas 5k peak to be annoying on poorly recorded music. They have great sub bass even non equalized but they’re too bright for my liking. How’s the treble on the Clears? I’ve heard them described as bright too.
@@brianpacheco1927 - everyone is different. I did find I had to lower the volume on the Arya's on poor recordings. They also require a higher volume to sound right like most planars. Definitely not a low volume headphone. They do sound amazing once turned up with right source. On the Clears I never lower the volume on poor recordings. They also sound good even at low listening levels. Clears are a great all around headphone that are in one word balanced. Nothing is missing or overly emphasized. No headphone is perfect, but they are the closest I have found so far. I do not find them bright personally. Highs are clear and just right.
I LOVE my Arya, especially with a tube amp. Just holographic and amazing. Wish i had seen this before i had made my purchase... Hifiman also sells open box for $1300
I have the LCD-X. I want more soundstage and the Arya is really tempting me with a high end tube amp. Will cost a shit ton of money for both though lol.
@@TheJonazas I'm curious what u think of the X I'm thinking about to buy one used in a few days, also have a Ananda which is very close to the Arya.
@@TheJonazas only high end tube amp otherwise it distort
@@soulfulfool I have a schiit mjolnir 2. I love my setup now with the arya v3.
Can you please do a Arya/Susvara comparison and tell us whether you think the upgrade to the Susvara is worth it. (I own the Aryas and am considering getting the Susvara)
This will be revisited for years to come :)
Does EQ and reveal plus work over optical?
Cus I dont seem to be getting any difference.
EDIT: Eq on foobar2000 works.
I have a sennheiser momentum 3, which is a closed back and a "fun" type of headphone.. It's the best one I owned so far and for me it sounds incredible already.. but I'm looking to upgrade to focal clear.. I never listened to open back before.. So I'm looking forward of getting blown away.. but I'm wondering just how much better can it possibly be given that it costs almost 3 times of that the SM3's ?
You are far better off with the SM3, and avoiding the Clear. I had both, but threw away the Focal, since it could not reproduce low bass without losing control of the voice coil, which rubs and produces a loud bottoming out crackling sound at fairly low levels. The Sennheisers are better for all occasions, and all music. I have them on now. Maybe the Focal cans have been improved, but I no longer trust their QC.
Great review. Hifiman Arya HANDS DOWN imo! Amazing soundstage, clarity and detail. Plus they "breathe" the sound to you, completely effortlessly. Yes a little hard to drive but if you are looking at these headphones and don`t have a quality DAC and amp to drive you WILL need to unlock aryas full potential. Topping D90 / A90 stack to driver them is a very good way to drive.
nasty sterile combo, I dropped planars because dynamic drivers are more musical and work well with tube amps giving me many options to tune sound as I like it without buying new amp
After upgrading my amp and dac to the monoprice thx 887 and smsl su9 I feel like I should upgrade my headphones too. I currently have the Sundara and 6XX. I think I'll have to stay content with those until tax returns or some other 'extra' income comes around. The Arya are the ones I have my eye on.
Bought the Clears. Love the build, but couldn't fall in love with the sound. I tried. Ended up selling them and picked up the LCD-X. Much happier.
why though ? I can buy both at the same price and it's a hard choice
As I posted week ago, I sold my Sundaras and got Clear Pro's, however Im gonna return them and get Arya's. That Hifiman "Depth" feeling, or should I say planars depth feeling is really special and Clears sound just like good headphones, I don't get anything special out of them, like I did from SUndaras.
Thanks for the great review. Is there a headphone in this price range that would have the punch and slam of the Clear and the soundstage of the Arya . I listen to a lot of classical and jazz but also a lot of rock, metal, and blues. What would you recommend? Thank you.
The Susvara is the only headphone that satisfies both conditions to my knowledge lmfao. Below that price point you’ll generally find that vast soundstage and punch/slam don’t go hand in hand. The closest thing I can think of is the HE-6se, which will have a decent amount of slam and stage (still narrower than the Arya), but also lacking the depth and layering of the Arya.
That aside, the Arya excels at classical, jazz, and blues, and is still extremely good with metal and rock. I think it’s highly likely that out of all the headphones in this price range, you’ll enjoy the Arya the most.
@@nortonfamily6711 Thanks very much for your reply!
Definitive comparison. Clear(ly)!! the best out there. ;) Very technical but not exluding your personal preferences out of equation based on their own sonic weaknesses and strenghts. This is gentlemen how it should be done - informative, detailed and consistent & calm without any type of hype (most important). If you don't have any chance to try most of them in person and relying on reviewers The Headphone show and Josh Valour are the ones you can rely for fair and CONSISTENT comparison over the time...
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Hi, I have the focal clear og worth upgrading to hifiman Arya?
Can you make a video comparing the all the new versions of arya clear and x
Looking forward to upgrade my Sundara's... Leaning towards Focal's although I really like the depth and space of Hifimans... :(
What did you get? I am in the same position.
@@rherbm I got the Arya’s non stealth version. Pretty much an endgame headphone for me.
@@RafaelGrigorian I actually just auditioned clear mg, lcd x, 800s, and 109 pros. Went with lcd x. So much more fun than sundara
Thoughts now that there's the Focal Clear MG and LCD-X 2021? Both of which have new tunings.
Really the bigger issue here is the luckluster quality control and higher failure rate than the LCD x, especially considering the price
Bought Clears about 5 months ago but I guess I wasn't paying enough attention to how many people actually think the Arya is better. I love my Clears, but I wonder what I'm missing with the Arya. Is it really like a step up or more like a side grade? I do tend to prefer more neutral-warm signatures over neutral bright because I listen to a lot of rock and hip hop. I will say, for the $1000 I got them it's a pretty good deal, at $600 cheaper than the Arya. Guess I'm just experiencing FOMO haha. Haven't seen many negative comments towards the Arya at all, while the Clear seems more polarizing.
Arya is not the best for rock. Otherwise they are pretty cool. I listen to rock on the HE6se and they are really great. But when I switch back to the Arya you feel like they are technically better in so many ways.
Andrew, I really enjoy your videos. Could you do a comparison between the LCD-X (EQ'd) vs HEDDPhone?
Ya I'd like to do that here soon. Not sure it'll be a video of exactly that, but I'll be posting some stuff on that shortly. Check the community forum for my impressions of that because I'll be posting it there first.
The HEADPHONE Show Andrew is there a way to converse with you directly on a call perhaps?
Awesome content! Very thorough! I have Arya & Clear and I agree with u. The Only difference is I got my Clear 50% off on a 4 day flash sale so it’s the best value for me!!!! Lol! Recently, I got a tube amp Woo WA6SE and I surprisingly found 6xx and Elear sounds so much more fun with it, completely different cans now, while the Clear and Arya don’t get much synergy from it so far, still better than my cma400 solid amp tho. I definitely prefer WA6SE Elear combo to WA6SE Clear combo! The 6xx is also 10 times better for the enjoyment, as it sounds close to a 2000 dollar cans now for fun! Haha haha! Forgive my exaggerating style!!!! My point is if a person uses tube amps and like fun listening then 6xx and Elear value are unbeatable.
Clears for 50% off?? Where?? Were they b-stock, open box?
@@dirty_dan75158 No it was a 4 day flash sale. Brand new. Keep an eye on focal products they always do heavy discount!
I am in Australia fyi'
Any chance of Bayer T1.2 review? They look like cheapest flagship to get.
To be honest I would pick up Clear out of these three. The fact that they scale well with gear shows their potential is big. Tube amp paired with Clear can make wonders, bass punch that Focal's drivers produce is the best at market. They should make anniversary Clear version in gold chrome and black finish, with beryllium coated drivers.
Great stuff as always. Do you think that the LCD-X has greater EQing potential than the LCD-2C or regular LCD-2? I use EQ very often with the Elex and HD58X, and the LCD-X is potentially a better technical performer with fixable frequency response.
which amps or dacs do you guys like the best with the arya for those of you who identifies with that headphone alot? thanks!
I'm sure there will be recommendations that far exceed my modest setup but i find these to be absolutely perfect and all for less than $1k. But hard to imagine anything sounding better for any price (well except for perhaps the ribbon SR1A with the Schiit Jutenheim R perhaps :) ). Here's the order i ended up with: had my Monolith thx aaa 789 (great sounding, ultra clear, clean and crisp but lacking soul/body/cooler) -> added in Liquid Platinum tube hybrid w/ stock tubes as the amp (awesome sounding, full body, improved slam and richness; perhaps lost some of the clearness due to tubes) -> replaced with NOS Tubes!!! (bass has more body but somehow got much tighter, more of everything else including super crisp, clear detail). I used to be able to game while listening but these have gotten so good i often forget where i am in the game. Ok, back to music! ;) Enjoy!
Does anybody know what a good dac amp combo would be for the 2021 updated lcdx, I also have the focal clear og
so for a Mixing engineer which one you think is better? and your LCD-X EQ, what is all about? making it flat? or your sonic preference? do you think the punch of the Focal Clear may not be too much or a bit too hyped for mixing engineers?
My lcd-x EQ gets it closer to the reference curve yeah. For mixing it's fine once you EQ, but without EQ the clear and Arya are better
Very happy with my Focals. Extremely comfortable, bass is punchy and well-articulated, plenty of detail and dynamics. Voices sound great ... a terrific upgrade from my HD600s.
Which ones do you have? I have the Sennheiser HD650 and I'm thinking about buying Focal Clears. Do you think its worth it? I will try them before I buy them but wanna hear others opinions too.
@@Terra101 If impatient - get the Celestee, if patient - wait for new Focal Clear mg. Or if on a budget - get Focal Clear now when they are clearing stock. :)
Hi, is the soundstage of the Clear significantly better than hd600/650?
@@metalpiston1212 similar to 600 but with better highs, right tube amp also do the trick to enhance quality of soundstage
I upgraded from the 660's to the clear mg and can definitely report that it is better in every way while maintaining a similar tonality, in short if you like your 600's you will love the focals, ive had them a few months and they still impress and amaze me, also got the celestee wich is great, kind of likr a closed back clear but the clear is the better of the two@Terra101
What about net Focal Clear MG? Is that better than these 3? Thanks
Would you consider the HEDDphone the king of sub 3k headphones? Great review and looking forward to seeing your list.
3k? thats an 1.8k headphone
@@shadouxg7150 yeah but you don't get anything from a higher league until 3000, heddphone is in the same class as Rad-0 and Zmf vérité. And the next league would be only 3000$ and above - hifiman he1000 v2 is 3000, lcd-4 is 4000, Focal utopia is 4000, Susvara is 6000, final d8000 pro is 4000.
@@fclp67 ou your right
@@fclp67 also diana phi 4k
LCD-X or Clears for mixing metal and hiphop? I was about to go with the Focals and then heared on some mechanical clippings that can occur with the Focals. Anybody exprienced that?
it happens on big volume or when you boost bass a lot, the driver cant hold 60hz (and under) with huge volume, because it moves inside a "cage"... long time tho... have you heard it?
and... tomorow im selling my Clears - because of this.. i want to crank volume sometines A LOT and this holded me back... i m about to receive LCDX in 3 days...
But I almost cried, i will miss the Clears sound a LOT... detail monster! I hope LCDX with EQ can bring me to similar level (and hold that bass and volume i sometimes want)
@@tomastrchalik6791 Yes this thing actually exist if you boost a lot of bass and listen at high volume
I often hear about IQ when it comes to headsets. Unfortunately I have no idea how you would do this. Is there a video out here to explain this?
EQ
I own Clears and LCD-2’s. They are amazing. It’s fun to switch them during long listening sessions, they each have such different sonic characteristics.
What is better for trap and texhno arya or clear?
I bought the HIfiman Sundaras (brand new) for around 325$ (also helped by your good opinion about them) and I love them. Now I have the opportunity to buy the Focal clear professional (second hand, almost new) for around 670$. Would the extra money be worth it?. Or a I´m not going to get much more of what I already have?... Thanks a lot in advance for your advice.
WTF?????? Why wouldn’t you go for the clear if you can get it so cheap holy shit. Assuming it’s an actual functional pair, even if you didn’t like it you could resell it for around $400 more.
@@nortonfamily6711 Thanks for your opinion. Everything is relative in life. 670$ maybe half the price of a brand new pair of Clears, but to me it is still a lot of money. If I spent such money on headphones it would be based on my listening experience, or on the opinion of reviewers whom definitely trust, with the idea to keep them. I´m not good for re-selling items, it is a thing that stresses me.
It's clear to me the Arya are my next headphones.
How does the Sennheiser HD 800S compare against these three headphones? Can it still keep up in certain aspects in this day and age or is it outclassed now?
It’s still one of the best headphones out there at any price point, in terms of detail retrieval, layering, imaging, soundstage, and comfort. But it is light on sub bass and is a little bright in the treble, so it’s not a very forgiving headphone.
The hd800s will always be relevant. Dont worry.
Great content! Do you think the Clear is a valueble upgrade from the Elex?
Good question I was wondering the same thing?
@@vote4ulvio hey mate. Now I have a Clear and it is definitely more refined. Not as awesome bang for buck, but it is better than its little brother.
@@FarazaoGreat. Thank You
(how) would this 'battle' differ with the Arya *stealth*?
It would've been nice if the HD 800 S was in the comparison too.
*original HD800 (best value for money, especially used)
@@SoundWaveTrax HD800 is clearly inferior to Focal Clear, more expensive, harder to drive
@@allansh828 Completely disagree, but yeah this is all subjective.
I own ZMF Aeolus, which one of these 3 compliments that more?
Arya
If I listen to a lot of 80s Soul like Marvin Gaye, Oh Honey - Delegations, etc, hip hop, indie, and rock, would the Arya's or the Focal Clears be better for those genres?
I don't listen to classical or orchestral music which I've read are best with the Arya's