Planar vs dynamic driver headphones: is planar magnetic better?
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Both are great. Variety is the spice of life. Need one of each driver type open and closed. You can then experience your favorite songs multiple different ways. With a change of the amp and DAC you can have unlimited combinations. Rinse and repeat until bank account is empty.
But bank account is already empty? Help?
@@feels5460 Then get a job.
@@m.morininvestor9920 I do have a job it was a joke.
Hahahahaha😂 nice!!!
Say no more 💸
Do you prefer dynamic or planar?
YES!!!
Elex or Ananda? // Clear or Arya?
YES!
Sweet. I love both types of drivers. Also the type of music you listen to the most has a big influence on the right driver for you. I find that the he6se plays quite well across genres. It’s a planar but it sure sounds like a dynamic driver imo.
i have he-6 and hd 800 and they d'ont sound alike at all. very different sound. hd 800 is dynamic and he-6 planar. he-6 does not sound like a dynamic pair of cans at all. if you have a very powerful high quality headamp or speaker amp, they sound more like an electrostatic pair of cans.
Every day we get closer to having you go full Stechner. Can't wait.
Well thought out and made video! Subbed for future videos brother.
for the kind of music i like, metal and electronica, planars make it more euphoric and the bass is incredible. i also like classical and new age and film music. planars are my favorite cans.
How do you listen to music?
Or what do you use?
It can't be UA-cam quality ???
For metal planars make it funny, listen to audio pros and just go for a good dynamic driver if you are metal head feel the difference.
I've been hearing that. I love Trance and Metal and actually find the genres have some things in common so it's interesting you mention you're also into similar music and it sounds so good. What planar headphones are you using? I'm considering the HiFiMan HE400se as an entry pair.
@@Palaecro hifiman he-6 model year 2012.
For listening to songs with lots of synths and 808s, should I buy the r70x or sundaras? I'm planning to use EQ(oratory1990) too.
I was looking for opinions for a new IEM set and this video pretty much summed it up! Thank you
"plucked" is such a good word to describe planars and their speed, it just makes perfect sense if you've heard one. If you haven't though, these words must sound weird lol
adam10603 totally agree. Great choice of words to describe planars. The delicate nuances associated with the pluck of a guitar string to light tap on a drum = planar. What’s doubly amazing is their ability to also provide crazy bass slam!
Bismillah
I agree. There are some exceptions though and I think with time the differences among flagships will be less apparent. For example, the audeze stuff especially LCD 4, but that size and messy form factor!
I agree. Easier to describe than transient response.
I have a planar magnetic headphones and the word seems gimmicky to me
Planar just sounds tighter
Thanks for the video. Keep'em coming
Just wanted to say... I don't really comment, but your channel needs more attention! Fantastic content.
After I have got Roon with the DSP changes so the frequency get more flat in the 2000-5000 hz area, I’m blown away with my LCD-X.
This was very helpful! 👌👌 Thank you!!
Wow, what a nice video! Thanks! Please keep up!
I prefer planar overall. I love the sound precision. But when it comes to the hip hop, country and pop genres I think dynamic sounds better. It has a bit more warmth.
Yup. Planars in general tend to be bright and relatively low on bass impact/"slam" (they have fantastic "sub-bass extension", but are super mediocre in terms of bass quantity & impact), and ESPECIALLY so for the cheaper options (think the $130 HiFiMan HE400se's).
If you're a serious bass head, open-back planar magnetics are basically the LAST thing you'd want unless you're willing to spend a couple thousand, and even then nice closed-back dynamics would be as good or better at the low-end for a FRACTION of the price.
@@Cooe. Most audiophile headphones won't please bass heads regardless of planar or dynamic. As for closed back headphones, very few of them are audiophile levels and even among them only select ones might please bass heads.
Among open back dynamic headphones, Focal ones are known to have good bass punch whereas among open back planar headphones Audeze ones are known for their bass punch. However, both of these options may not be enough for bass heads.
@@Hari-kx2er I’m a bass head and also an audiophile and my Sony ZR1 pleases both sides, lots of slam and thump while still maintaining clarity and dynamism.
@@mikeg2491 Sony Z1R iem?
@@Hari-kx2er Nope the MDR-ZR1 headphones
excellent comparison, for games and music, which of the two would go better with equalization?
Great, informative video!
Perfect explanation, fast and clear!
I don't think planar timbre is necessarily bad. I'd have to hear an LCD-4 or some other top of the line planar to have a better idea but for the most part they sound a lot like dynamic drivers to me, even in the treble (if tuned or EQ-ed properly). The texture is a bit different though perhaps due to the way they shoot sound into your ears.
Yeah that's a good exception.
I own Audeze planars and Audio technica dynamics, planar can play such detail in piano or violin that my jaw dropped first time hearing them
Wow!
Which audeze do you have?
@@raghupusapati515 I have LCD 2C on balanced cable, tuned by audeze reveal soft, no regrets, now I only need focal closed backs
What AT do you have?
@@edmundsiadari6234 I had lower model ad 500 x, now I have whole different set of headphones
Great summation!
I'm guessing it must be similar to ribbon tweeters vs dynamic tweeters on traditional stereo speakers. I have a set with ribbon tweeters and the clarity is just phenomenal.
I almost always hear the sound of the driver in dynamic headphones, while less so with planar headphones. I prefer the transparency of planar magnetic and electrostatic headphones.
I hear the planers too, especially in the vocals sounds kinda throaty
Emmanuel Palmer . Audeze has some of the best headphones for vocal, LCD 3, LCD X. And Stax, the vividness of the vocal is out of this world, even with the lower end models.
When I got my HD6XX they blew my mind, first "high end" pair ever. Now I've just got my Ananda's and the difference is substantial, I'm still burning them in and have a new pair of pads but they sound gorgeous!
Need both. Its apple and oranges
that's the way
this is the way
I greatly prefer oranges over apples 😊
@@CaptainCrunch823 so the oranges mean u like planar or dynamic? xD
its racist and inclusive. I mean fruits and vegetables
Great video and many thanks for the comparison. Any chance you could do a comparison between shure Aonic 4 and SE 535. With the price drop they are effectively the same price. Looking for a good workout set of earbuds. Keep up the great videos. Many thanks.
I recently bought a pair of Avantone Planars (Black). Love 'em. Not looked back..
I would love to hear your take on estats. I know you have said they sound kind of lean, while referring to the Shangri La Jr. It would be interesting if you tried those comparable to susvara, arya, HD800’s, such as the L700, SR007, Voce driven through good amplification like a Blue Hawaii or even better a KGSSHV Carbon. I for one, am not familiar with the “lean” quality often attributed to estats but I reckon that it’s because of the amps I have used with them.
Only the Sr. is considered 'lean' by some. From what I'm aware of, the Jr. Is closer to Omega, but I only spent time with the Sr.
Hmmm looking at FR graphs, dynamic drivers (some) are tuned fairly flat across the board but roll off in the bass. It's like they can't get the whole FR in a straight line. It's either you get good bass and wonky treble/midrange you get lean bass but reference mids and treble. With planars you get that amazing straight line from 0 to around 1 or 2Khz which is when they start to go a bit crazy. I still haven't seen a planar that responds as well as a dynamic driver in the mids and treble. Like is there a planar that measures as well as a Shure 1840 or a HD600 in midrange and treble? On the other hand is there a dynamic driver measuring as well as a planar in bass? It's a pick your poison kind of deal. Look at what you listen too and pair. Electronica? Planars. Classic Rock? Dynamic.
The current revision of the Sundara is actually the best measuring headphone I've yet seen - and that's a planar. So I don't think there's an inherent downside in the mids and treble for planars that dynamics have an advantage in. It just happens to be the case that some of the best-tuned headphones have used moving coil transducers (like the HD600 and HD650 etc.). Also, remember that headphones don't actually measure flat. When you want something to measure flat, that's only ever to show deviations from a given target curve. This means that unless you specify what that target curve is, 'flat' is completely meaningless. To give an example, relative to the 2018 Harman target, very few headphones would measure flat in the bass, because it has a massive bass shelf. Even perfectly well extended headphones will show a bass drop off if you normalize to that target. Using a 2013 target would show less bass roll off, and using a more traditional DF target would show no bass roll off. Weirdly, most of the headphones that match the 2018 target in the bass are (closed-back) dynamic driver headphones - so there's no hard rules for any of this, just common trends.
I like this kind of videos. Thank you
Would someone mind explaining to me if this “punch” and “slam” talked about requires a high volume level to appreciate? I’ve only got Senn. HD25 headphones so I haven’t heard anything like these before but I did want to better understand exactly what this was referring to.
I have Sundara and Elegia. Between them I have just about any musical style covered really well.
What genres of music do you prefer on each?
@@one-rv2bx I think Jazz and classical more on the Sundara, while the Elegia are more powerful for rock, pop, and that sort of stuff.
very good explanation, im subs
I think that dynamics have usually smoother midrange while planars have usually more natural bass and soundstage. Am I right?
Can you do a video that compares tube and solid state amp set up similar to this?
Great stuff!
I think it's good to have both type of HPs in your collection. I've recently got my first ever pair of planar headphone (Hifiman HE4XX) and was seriously blown away by it. I still go back to my dynamic headphones here and there (AKG K240, AudioTechnica M50, V-Moda M100) but my current obsession is to get a high-end planar simply because a cheap HE4XX (around US150) is so freaking amazing.
I am between AKG K712 and HE400se. Mostly for Classical music and Movies. What would you pick ?
Is cca pla 13 best at its prize range
I feel like dynamic drivers does best in retrieving complete detail i dont know why but every planner i tried feels like the midrange can't come through properly it always feels like there is a cloth between my ears and the driver that is restricting me from hearing the final detail in the midrange.
In most cases, it is just accents and emphasis on details and not real exceptional resolution. I would say dynamics are for detail retrieval and planars are for high resolution. Good DACs and AMPs help to seance this.
I don't think you have listened to a decent planar with a decent amp. My stepfather, who is a HUGE opera fan wont use dynamics after he listened to them on sundara....and he had hd800s...you want midrange, opera is where they shine. Mind you, needed to get a 789 to amplify them...
@@Tallnerdyguy HD800s are really no a good comparison for a dynamic headphones, they're quite unnatural sounding for a dynamic.
I've never heard a planar magnetic driver before, but I did order a HyperX Orbit S which has 100mm Planar Magnetic Drivers, so in a couple days I am going to find out. OF course I'm coming from the likes of a Razer Kraken as the best I've ever owned/heard, so I can imagine that the sound quality will at least be a few notches up.
@Banana 831 Like comparing a monitor off a walmart shelf with a high performance gaming monitor, but for the ears. I can hear lots of little noises I never could in the many gaming headsets I've owned, sounds that can't be heard with a standard high end gaming headset, as those little sounds just get lost in the distortion and muddy sound of your average dynamic driver.
It was more than just a few notches up. It was incomparably better. Every gaming headset I've used with their neodymium magnet dynamic drivers stood no chance. It also had the side effect of making music sound so much better, that I can hear how bad my youtube-to-mp3 rips were, so I basically threw out my entire music library and have now been working on buying all my music in FLAC or WAV format so that I can take advantage of the improved audio.
@@ThunderbolttheFox you are blown away just by a cheap gaming set, you still dont know what quality headphones can offer, I was also excited like you even thought wow planars are the shit but thats not the case because there are better dynamic drivers that got qualities that planar cant reach or cost 5k$ to do that
I do feel that planar seem to give more holographic soundstage, while dynamics are more in your face. Love both, but there is a reason you don't see (a lot of) $4k dynamics vs planar....
Being honest, I listened to Zombie bythe Cranberries on my Logitech Pro X (which is several order of magnitudes below anything shown here but you get the idea), and even while playing with the EQ I didn't feel it right, I liked the sound of my HS 50 more than the Pro X which should have been better.
Then I plugged the Cloud Orbit that had just arrived (which are a re skin of the Audaze Mobius) and I can't ever go back to any of the other headsets. The clarity, volume and bass that they had were amazing. While it's true that it depends on the content or use that you give to a headphone, I simply can't go back to something else after hearing something in the Orbit, if all planar magnetic sounds like this, then I don't see myself going back to a dynamic driver headset.
The only high end headphone (IEM) I currently have is the Tia Fourte Noir from 64. I’ve been tempting to get into the over-ears, but the necessity of a good amp and therefore poor portability always keep me away :(
I have an xduoo xp-2 pro which can power over ear cans up to 300 ohm impedance and it's portable. Worth a look! I walk around the house and sometimes right outside my front door for abit of sun with my over ear planars and the xp-2 pro.
It has an aux out. Can be used as usb or Bluetooth dac/amp. Ldac supported.
So Andrew, would a planar HiFiman Ananda have noticeably better instrument separation than the Focal Elegia? I think I've narrowed it down to these two choices!
Did you ever find out? I have a Elegia but assume the Ananda would have better separation
@@skoosie9785 no doubt its overall better headphone, besides open back headphones operate air flow far better so layers of sounds are separated :) ofc unless you have top dog closed back but thats not price range of Ananda or Elegia
I'm not really a headphone guy or an audiophile but after long long years I switched over to the HyperX Cloud Orbit S which is planar. It was amazing. Yes the bass isn't as punchy but everything else is so crisp and detailed. Great for music, films, gaming. The only issue is the build quality, the hinges holding the earcups snap very easily and home made replacements snap even easier. Any traditional headphones I tried after the Cloud Orbit S sounded tinny, shallow, lower quality. So now I'm desparately trying to find a good planar with a sturdier build that won't cost an arm and a leg... It seems like an impossible task.
As of writing this, The Hifiman Deva Pros are still on sale for 33% off. $300 package for $199, same as your old pair. Open-back planar magnetic headphones with a metal frame and solid plastic earcups. They come with a high-quality Bluetooth amp/DAC that sounds wonderful even with a phone on LDAC codec. They also come with a wire and are very versatile. I just got them and they sound really good. Balanced, clear but musical and not fatiguing, nice imaging and soundstage. Only cons are that the big cups and low clamping force make them shift around and feel like they'll fall off if you move a lot, and the Bluetooth beeps loudly at low battery, making it pretty much unusable until you charge it.
Good thoughts. How do you feel about balanced armatures and electrostatics?
Compared to lcd4 and ab1266tc... Ya it's way more comfortable haha.
my mad dogs bass is quite inaudible sometimes. whereas the th-x00 is very capable with bass, if you raise the volume enough you can get the headphones to vibrate.
Very good points on this video.
The Hifiman planars I've tried (HE-400i and 4XX) were very tight and plucked as you say, especially with a little EQ in the sub bass they really hit low. I'm sure the Sundara is similar in that regard.
Ever since I got the Focal Elex however, It's hard going back to something like a 600 series Sennheiser because everything is just so much more dynamic and clear on the Elex.
I definitely want to try the Sundara or LCD-2C as my intro back into planars, to see how they compare to the Elex.
A bit late tot he party but I'm planning in buying the 4xx. I'm not a bass head but I do like a bit of punch in the low end. Currently I have the superlux 681 and with the oratory eq the bass on those is BIg but not too big. I would like to know how punch or at the very least can you feel the bass on the 4xx?
I wouldn't mind eqing then either
The Known Elex with the Popping Drivers ? The L+R mismatch , The terrible cable , The failing inner soldering on the drivers , the pads that cost 2x times more , Those Elex that Cost 2X the price of more Organic better Timbre HD 600 and 660s headphones that last forever and EQ on sub bass without popping the drivers ? Those Elexs ? :) By the way Elex do Sound amazing and i love FOcal in Car audio but the problems that they have are unacceptable in this price i still have Focal Listen headphones after so many years and work perfectly and they got better cable ( 2 of them inside the box ) . Anyway Sundara that i also have do not sound better than Elex , Elex have way more natural sound and warmth , But like i said I prefer HD660s that have the Smooth sound of HD650 the separation and imaging of Sundara , the detail of HD 600 , they last forever , and i sacrifice the bass extension of Elex, But again with HD 660s2 u have that also ... ( but i cant say for sure because i dont have s2 )
Whatever headphones can keep the sound pounding in my ears for long listening periods of time are ok for me.
Focal's formaless transducer a lot more close to loud speaker, not the traditional dynamic transducer. Traditional dynamic driver uses diaphrame that flex to create piston motion while focal driver uses surround just like loud speaker.
Yes that's right, but it's still a dynamic driver with a moving voice coil behind the diaphragm.
In the highest price segment there should be no difference. In the 50-500 bracket it is dynamic. In the 500-3000 bracket it is Planar
i tend to agree
I have an Audeze pair, and i love it because i didnt need to get a DAC. already has it built in If your watching this for gaming, the Cloud Orbit S from Hyper X licensed Audeze planar magnet drivers for this specific model only and theyre closed back. Theyre like 400$ but they are inssane for gaming. Also used for VR because they have sensors for head tilt built in.
As a mixing engineer, I love the detail and separation I get from planars. That said I have always noticed the less natural character without being able to put my finger on what it was. I'll probably get a dynamic for my next set to have some variety.
@@Butch_Deezlsteak irrelevant
Try out the neumann ndh-30
@@maegnificant actually currently testing the DT1990 and Aeon Closed X right now. Have any experience with the Neumann?
@@kylemcdonnell86 i have ordered it, can report back in two weeks! :) z reviews has just put out a blazing review of it though, that's why I bought it.
@@kylemcdonnell86 he's not the most competent reviewer ever, but since I will mostly use them for gaming, music and some occasional production on the side, they should be better than my sennheiser 560s.
I am grabbing a pair of QUAD ERA-1s. If you wan to have some time with them I can send them to you for your review. I will review them as well.
I am thinking about getting the HIFIMAN HE4XX for gaming. would they work well or should i stick with something like the SENNHEISER HD 58X.
Better take K701/K702 or K612 they have much better sound stage for gaming
Edifier Stax Spirit S3 is a closed back Planar Magnetic Driver headphone. It's pretty good.
My favorite headphones are the ATH-M50x, the AKG K712 Pro and the Focal Clear. Close second place are HD600 and Fostex TH-X00. I kind of know where I am standing :D
M50x yea bad memories lol AD series on the other hand is a different story
You say planar magnetic sound better for music that has a lot going on. This may sound like a stupid question, but does metal fall into that category? What about if the music in question is generally lo-fi and meant to be lo-fi (such as in black metal- think Jesu 'Dod by Burzum; you'll hear the "wall of sound" immediately). Also, what's the big difference between open and closed back headphones. Do you have a video on that?
Which is best? You will soon have many of each if you go down this rabbit hole. No headphone is perfect so having a variety is the only way to go.
I agree with most of this video. They have already made a great closed back planar-magnetic. The oppo pm 3 was the 399.00 closed-back planar-magnetic headphone that was very well executed. Timber, tone, & coherence is great. Discontinued :(. still some great good reviews on you tube if you are curious. It can be done. Is there a market for it?
Bismillah
I think a video discussing dynamic cans that sound most like Planars and vice a versa would be cool, or cans that overcome the limits of their driver tech. Manufacturers are trying to develop that headphone that does it all. HD800, Utopia and Adx5000 are trying to bring that clean, vast and fast planar like sound to a dynamic. The Abyss V2, Final D8000, LCD 4 and empyrean are trying to bring dynamic slam and warmth to a planar. Or how the Heddphone which is using different tech altogether. Which of these in your opinion gets it right?
HEDD. But needs serious amp.
@@morespinach9832 HEDD caught my attention but they are so big and look ridiculous xD even if I listen at home still I would be laughed out :D
Hi, I have the focal clear og worth upgrading to hifiman Arya?
Planar bass is a thing but I personally don't think the ab1266 applies. Their bass response is unlike anything I've heard, it has this crazy visceral quality that no other headphones seem to match. And their treble presentation is more stats like than any typical planars.
For only 9,000 bucks 😅
Yeah ... I bought the Sundara and was missing the punch profile of the dynamic... They were soo amazing tho, so I was about to return them for a nice set of dynamic headphone. Instead I kept them and also ordered a set of dynamic headphone (facepalm)
It is nice if you can measure the frequency response and the distortion characteristic (THD and FFT or harmonic profile). Wit your explanation, I suspect the planar have extended high frequency but higher distortion.
Actually no, planars have less distortion in general. But actually, apparently THD is less of an indicator than many people think. The differences we can measure in THD aren't actually audible, so something else accounts for why planars have better detail retrieval capabilities - at least for the flagships.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow What do you think the threshold of your ear about THD? 0,01%? 0,1%? 1%?
@@bimotok757 it's a LOT higher than we think. I'm not exactly sure where it is for me, but I think there's some tests out there where THD is increased over time and you can try for yourself. Also, there was a recent seminar at CanJam NYC that talked about why THD shouldn't be valued as highly. I don't know enough about that though, but at the very least it's interesting to see the standards shifting a bit.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow Of course people have different ability to listening. Normal curve is always Gaussian. I do not know much about THD threshold in speaker, but someone claim can hear THD 0,05% at his speaker. In electronic the number much more smaller. Someone record 2 modern op-amp with low distortion in buffer configuration and record it using ADC. He can know which sample using ABX method in foobar 2000. I think, what do you mean about more natural is the distortion is second harmonic distortion dominant. You can read worked of Dr. GedLee in www.gedlee.com
Sundara vs DT880 600 Ohms?
Which has better sound quality?
Argons MK3 Show what closed planars can be... Damn that thick base!
Has there ever been hybrid headphones, i think conceptually could be a cool concept. I am one of the weirdos that want Semi Closed back, and Open Back headphones, Closed back, especially a good seal hurts my ears very quickly very rarely does it matter about volume, something about having the audio leak and what not just makes it more comfortable with me, I started with SR 850s and Currently am using HighfiMan 400SE and they are my first owned Planar, even at the lower end, the reduction in bass, but having that higher clarity and room scale has really made the product worth it to me. Even though i am largely a metal head and typically people in the community prefer a V type curve, i.e Skull Candy Higher end products or some Sony Offerings, i still prefer the Sound quality on planar. Even for every day use i still go for my Sony Linkbuds rather than a typical IEM/Eplug style bud. I have seen some people messing around with sound dampening and custom grilling for some open backs to mute/ dampen leaking audio, but over all doesn't seem to be a real worth while effort. However i would personally love to find and try a Pair of Hybrid headphones if that is even possible, i feel a combination of both technologies even if it has a slight delay from playback (which would eliminate their usefulness for gaming etc) could be a really interesting product.
Unfortunately planars seem to be plagued by build quality/QC issues until you get into the higher end models it seems. Sure there are dynamics with issues but nowhere near the widespread issues with Hifiman, Audeze, Verum, etc. Don't know why there are so many growing pains with this technology. Even delicate electrostatics don't seem to have so many build quality issues... It seems a lot of manufacturers cut corners on planars. No idea why this is...
I don't even know what you're talking about, I've never seen planar drivers specifically having more build quality or QC issues in the years I've been in this hobby. Has Hifiman for instance had some issues with build quality in the past? Yes, but it had nothing to do with the drivers.
In general, Dynamic are mostly vibrant and very energy synergy feeling, very dynamic more in your face. Usually bass more texture detail and punchy. Plannar more dry and liner; cleaner and clearer usually. My only experience. Am I right? Or am wrong.
I hope headphone manufacturing tried to do hybrid headphone from planar magnetic or electrostatic and dynamic driver. Sound could be more superior than current market one.
So if I get it we need a focal clear and a Arya
I prefer my cheaper planar he4xx with games and movies than my Clears. But I prefer dynamic for music, except rock. It sometimes sounds messy. I guess it's for the separation
Clear's start to shine on good audio chain, preferably with tube amp
Since excursion is higher on dynamic, does it mean it's generally able to produce higher volumes?
Will you get the same volume on planar if you increase the power?
Very good questions
👍🙏 thanks from Mumbai City, India
I've never had planar magnetic anything. I have had electrostatic speakers, (Martin Logan) and I really miss them. They where like opening a door on the music! No speaker I've had since can match them. That is what divorce does to you! The only other component that has matched the impact to me was my Sony XA777ES CD player, WOW!
If you want dynamics and clarity ...well, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
Not big news.
Ordered LCD 1 headphones for
WWW.AUDEZE.com and no product or money.
Someone can advise what to do?
I have Monolith open and closed planars and Focal Elgia and Clear on the way. I think that should be end game headphones for me.
You got Utopia yet?
I'll say the speed and the volume of the accelerated air a driver can push is the only matter.
im a sound engineer and have owned a pair of dt1990 , m70x ,hd 800 in the past didnt like either of them currently using m50x looking to upgrade to focal elegia or Hifiman exition xs
im a lil confused though
please help me
Focal elegia or Hifiman Ananda ? i have the budget to get one of this and im gonna match with a Zen Dac
So I have a Zen DAC and Hip DAC and both an Eligia and a Sundara using a balanced cable. Tbh I actually prefer the Eligia to the Sundara with these DACs. I do wonder if the Zen and Hip DAC just pair better with the Eligia due to their burr brown chips which give a warmer sound and so take the edge of the directness and sharpness of the Eligia. Similarly maybe the DAC makes the Sundara too relaxed sounding. Unsure, I must also mention I haven’t regally broken the Sundara in yet so that could have something to do with it. What did you end up getting?
Nice I learned something today... Just like everyday
Do you experience a buzzing noise on elegia when on a dedicated headphone amp thru quarter inch adapter?
No. You shouldn't
@@rockyfox9016 I hear it on amp, but nothing on portable amp thru 3.5mm. I am thinking it is the headphone cable.
It sounds like a poor connection with the quarter inch adapter I would just get a new cable. The stock elegia cable sucks. I got a $20 one off amazon and it works great.
If anyone is curious about gaming, in my experience planar headphones are more for competitive gaming where I want footsteps and accurate positioning while dynamic headphones seem to serve me better for casual, immersive gaming where I just want to enjoy the game world and its sounds.
There are pmh with anc?? Are good?
Show me a headphone that handles the Telarc cannons,1979 edition.
Perun rock edition
How natural sounding is the Heddphone from Hedd Audio compared to the ZMF vérité?
cristiandarie how strong is ur neck?
@@thewoat6589 I don't mind the weight as my listening sessions aren't usually very long and I prioritise sound quality over comfort. I already own the Heddphone and it's my favourite (among other admittedly lower priced headphones that I own) and I think it sounds very natural ... and was wondering how they stacked against the best on this particular criterion.
@@cristiandarie The HEDDphone sounds more like a planar or estat than a dynamic. So the Verite is more 'natural', but if I could handle the HEDDphone's weight for longer periods of time I think the technical performance is better there. The Verite is a very specific experience that really benefits from a nice high end tube amp, it's really cool and I do recommend it. But I couldn't really say if you should take that over the HEDDphone. So much of it depends on the type of sound you're after, and I think they complement each other very well. I often think that for me the best combination would be the ZMF Verite C and the Hifiman Arya, but that's only because I'm a necklet and can't handle the HEDDphone's weight haha. So that's a great combo if you do go for one.
I prefer warm electrostatic headphones with strong bass and lows such as Sennheiser HE-1 and Warwick Acoustic Aperio.
SR-007 2.9! do it.
try Perun rock edition=)
The excursion isn't really mattered but the sensitivity. The dynamic driver simply much more efficient than planar, and requires less power for the same punch. Planar is close to an ideal no mass membrane with no resonates withing audio-band(ES driver even closer though). For the better membrane, we need more power to drive that, that's it. If anyone feels dynamic driver sounds more natural, it is perhaps because of his speakers are dynamic as well, and the "natural" rather means habitual.
Traditionally this has been true for planars vs dynamics, but I don't think it's the case anymore. Planars are becoming so much more efficient these days - just look at the HE1000se, or the LCD-1. You could run those from most smartphones (not ideally but you could).
@@TheHEADPHONEShow specs are 35ohm and 91-96db/mW, it is very low efficiency even in comparison to Audeze LCDs, and way too low vs dynamic. Anyway, no correlation between excursion and the punch does exist, take a look to Pro-audio subs, efficient 18" and not too high excursion.
Sorry, no any physics behind the claiming that the excursion does matter.
@@ivane1168 well, I just did an interview with an engineer who indicated that's one of the primary factors. We may also be talking about different things, because there's zero correlation between planar power requirements and their 'slam'. Susvara and Sundara both have decent slam, but have wildly different power requirements. HEKse and A2C have different power requirements and neither has much slam.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow My friend, I work for audio as well but I believe physics only, it's very uncommon for that stupid industry(especially here in china) nowadays due to decent engineers went from audio to mobile phone related business etc.
Anyway nice that you have interest to investigate such a topic deeply, good luck. E1DA.
i think planars tend to sound unnatural exactly because of their speed. while a fast attack is good, a fast decay sounds unnatural as most instruments have a slower decay, which plannars strugle to follow
I 'll keep my Grado sr225's, thank you very much. The price/quality factor can't be beat. As for which driver type is better, there's no clear answer as this video pretty much pointed out.
shouty monsters
@@Bobby-op6ip LOL! You're obviously a Sennheiser man. Maybe you're right, but they are LOVELY shouty monsters!
I want headphones for producing / mixing / mastering house and techno. I do want excellent detail, separation and extended sub (very important for club music) but really want a punchy engaging character so you can feel the transients of the kick, bass and sub etc
Bismillah
Great video as always. I think the Utopia to Susvara comparison is unfair due to price. Interestingly there is no dynamic that I can recall that cost more than 4K. Considering price, a better comparison is the Utopia vs LCD4 or D8000 or Diana. For me I would take Utopia every time. How would you vote?
The 2k range is really interesting - there are not a lot of good Planars in this range but a lot of dynamics.
Like you I don’t own a planar and find myself gravitating more toward dynamics because of the form factor - most good totl Planars are just too big.
Yeah I can't really choose any of those other planars over the Utopia due to weight/comfort issues. Maybe the DMS modded Diana Phi. Also, the only other high end planar (apart from Susvara) that competes with the Utopia for FR is probably the D8000 Pro. Now for me, that's fine because I do EQ, but I know a lot of people don't, so then it's hard to recommend them over the Utopia.
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Bismillah
Salaamu alaikum. Baraak’Allah fiik. I’m Maliki.
Actually Utopia sounds better than Susvara, more musical and with more natural tone in female voices at least to my ears, see this comparison: ua-cam.com/video/3seh3OfsT50/v-deo.html
Bismillah! No, we will not let you go
Ive had the Hifiman HE400se for not even a week now and I cant go back to either my K702 or DT990. They needed a fair bit of EQ but now they show their planar magic: They sound simply fantastic compared to my other headphones.
And the HE400se were just 149€ here which is cheaper than even the Drop x Hifiman Planars and those seem kinda weird on paper compared to the 400se.
The Sennheiser HD6XX (which I wanted to buy initially) would have easily cost me 250€ with shipping and customs which is a bit excessive and their HD560s seemed like a boring "sidegrade".
So I went for the 400se and don't regret a thing. Might upgrade in a year or two and give my 400se away to family or friends.
Hifiman HE400se > most sub 150€ dynamic headphones that I know of. Not sure about the HD560s yet. People have been saying they are even better than the HD58X Jubilee so they might surpass the 400se in some disclipines. I need to see if I can listen to them somewhere.
I have the HE-X4 which is acoustically identical to the 400SE. I also have the HD 560S, and I can say I prefer the 560S much more, especially if no EQ is applied to either. I find that the mid range on the hifiman is grainy and the treble as a result is unnaturally hot. The timbre is also very artificial compared to the Senns. The 560S is more analytical and detailed, and I would say that the hifiman is only better at punch and slam, and maybe sub bass extension. Keep in mind that I mostly listen to classical music, where Sennheisers typically shine. For electronic like Daft Punk I prefer the Hifimans
@@NFStopsnuf classic would be hell on the 400se I agree way too cold and sharp sounding for that.
I dont have them anymore right now though so I cant take a listen.
Sibilances around 5-6k were an issue for me, toned them down with EQ and it was better.
For a lot of genres they are still in my top 5 Headphones to buy.
They are the cheapest over ear Planar so they cant be as good as Sundara for example.
I have those now and they are just better than the 400se in every aspect... as expected.
I need to get the 560s aswell just as a reference and having two proper over ears in my posession would be nice. Sundara for music only and 560s for the PC Setup.
At this point it seems like IEMs are superior to over ears in the ~100$ or sub 100$ price range.
Cant get the 560s buy an IEM Set.
The single DD Sets are just really good I have a few and they kick ass for what they are.
Shuoer S12 will be the next one to try or maybe Tanchjim Hana 2021 but thats almost 200 bucks...
Can you share your He400se EQ?
@@reasanka8667 I have all of them , Yeah Sundara and honestly he400SE is just AMAZING for the price 400SE is great to have a Planar type of sound. But other than that HD600 ,650,660s that i also have are in different league they dont have that WOW factor that u get from planars but they sound all so natural so organic that when WOW factor goes away after some months u just keep going back to HD 6 line , And 660s seperation and imaging is Close to Sundara and that says a lot . About the price Americans are lucky because they can Get A Muffled Version of HD 650 with just 180-200 dollars the HD6XX ( that i also had and sell) these are perfection for the price also. So if i had to buy just 1 Headphone 660S all the way , if i had to have 2 Headphones with that money then He400Se and 6XX so u get 90% of what 660s+ Sundara gives.
@@alouisschafer7212 I have all HD6 line , HD5 line and Sundara He400se . Thats True 400se are Cold and Sharp but for some people over 45 years old its ok . And is also true that they dont sound Organic like (some) Sennheisers. Sundara is way better headphone and i really like it but they are not perfect ( like no headphone is) Compared to HD6 line they sound metallic and unnatural and honestly imaging and separation is something that 660S also have and maybe a bit better imaging than Sundara , i know its strange but its true. If u already have Sundara dont buy HD560s they sound close to Sundara and the driver doesnt have the capabilities of HD 600 or 660s . In my opinion if u want a Clear close to Sundara sound but more Oragnic better vocals get the HD600 ( but they have smaller soundstage and not good seperation and imaging like Soundara not even close) Get the HD650 for smooth warm sound that feels thick but again no separetion and imaging and Last if u Want Organic sound Smooth with amazing imaging and separation great detail but not so Clear like Sundara or HD 600 get the HD 660s.
Where is the AKG K812? Why these comparisons with Audio Technica and Focal, if we compare planar headphones (another technology), then with the best and most neutral dynamic headphones and not these
What headphones do you listen to now that you own the most?
Bismillah
Ultrasone Edition 15 - such addictive and delicate sound.
Hey there. I know you quite like the Sundara but how Amiron Home stacks up against it if we ignore the price. I love Beyer build quality, comfort and durability. I can totally trust them. However Sundara is a risky buy and even if i got fully functional perfect unit i feel like it will get old much faster. I can rely on Beyer for a lifetime :)
Anyway sound is the most important thing. I listen every genre of music and i play games, watch movies as well. So we can say 33% music, 33% movies, 33% gaming(not footstep gaming, immersive gaming) I like laidback sound, big soundstage and rich imaging along with impressive bass when it's necessary, detailed and smooth treble. I'm not really after the vocal quality too much. Instruments and atmosphere more important for me. I like cinematic sound and i hate forward sound especially the forward vocals. I like having a bit breathing room.
Former headphones:
HD598CS: very thin and vocals are too forward. i didnt liked it.
DT 1990: Extremely forward, aggressive and fatiguing. I didn't liked it. It's not immersive. I feel like i'm analyzing the recording quality with this. Movies and games lost all the immersiveness. It's really really good with rock/metal though.
DT 770: I quite liked this one. Movies and games are very immersive. Vocals not overwhelming and in my head. Actually nothing in my head. Sound stay back and let me listen unlike DT 1990 which forces sound to my brain.
Creative Aurvana Live: I like this one as well but it sounds congested. It's like mono audio compared to stereo DT 770. So Aurvana Live lacks the ''hifi'' quality.
Fidelio X2: I personally find them worse than DT 770 sound quality wise but being open back helps a lot when it comes to naturality but ironically soundstage and bass feels artificial on this headphone. Soundstage is way too big and bass is very seperate and monotonous along with grainy, a bit metallic and fatiguing highs.
So i like DT 770 and Aurvana Live. I'm fan of DT 770 soundstage and atmosphere. I don't know how it manages that atmosphere. Subbass or airy trebles ? I don't know which one have objectively bigger soundstage open back DT 1990 or closed back DT 770 but i feel like DT 770 has bigger soundstage. I guess forwardness effect my judgment of soundstage.
Which one should i buy ? Is Sundara sound forward, bass lacking ? does it give some breathing room like DT 770 ? How about Amiron ? I don't have any problem with DT 770 treble. DT 1990 treble is too much but it's not the main reason why i dislike them. DT 1990 feels like everything is too much not just treble. Bass and vocals are too much as well :) It's weirdly aggressive and forward with it's every aspect.
I can't recommend the amiron home unfortunately, although I don't think I hated it as much as metal571 did. I'm not a fan of the sibilance issues in general with Beyer headphones. They do have good build quality though.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow Thanks for the reply though i don't have much sibilance problem with dt770 and dt1990. Forwardness and aggressiveness kills the dt1990 for me. However Amiron Home gets a lot of praise for the laidback sound and comfort which i guess i like since dt 770 sounds laidback to me and i like them. I've watched your reviews for Sundara and Amiron. Seems like Amiron has more soundstage and bass. Sundara is smooth but forward, intimate. Hard to decide. I like laidback sound which gives a sense of bigger soundstage and breathing room for my brain.
Seems to me the AKG K712 Pro is what the doctor ordered for you. Extremely big soundstage, a relatively smooth sound (if you can live with some upper mid weirdness), very tight and extended bass response and very good dynamic impact. They put my Clear Pros in some aspect to a shame, which is no small feat!
I enjoy the sound of Beyerdynamic too. I've got the T5p 2nd Gen 32ohm Closed, which is excellent for clarity and detail and pleasing bass; the Amiron Home 250ohm Open, comfortable, non-fatiguing and nice sound and a bit more forgiving with less than perfect recordings; and the DT990 250ohm Open and super comfy and nice punchy bass. I'm wanting to buy another pair of headphones, and the idea of Planar vs Dynamic gives me something to explore. I was thinking about the Sennheiser 800S or 660S. I think the best way I've found to make a choice is to go to your favourite audio store and listen to as many cans as you can on your familiar DAC/AMP setup. I'm using the Chord Mojo and I love the sound it produces for the portability and convenience. I use Foobar to serve up my audio on my laptop.
I have tinnitus and had to give up listening to dynamic driver headphones a few years back. The slam factor was just too much for my ears to handle. Since then, I've really come to love planar magnetics. The detail and instrument separation just knock me out.
Bismillah
There are plenty of dynamics that are smooth sounding and lack slam - HD800, Ultrasone Edition 15, Crosszone CZ-1, a lot of AKG stuff, N90Q, Q701 and so on.
@@halimj7 Yeah, but once I heard planar magnetics I was hooked.
@@m.gideonhoyle409 planar are ok for the tinnitus??
@@ChrisKeyman In my experience, they're less harsh than dynamic headphones. That may or may not be true for you. Also, you still need to keep the volume down and limit your listening time.
@@m.gideonhoyle409 my tinnitus start after the covid.
The doctors Said that may pass because it is from infection.
I don't know.
Thank you
Yup...my dilemma. Natural timbre or detail and soundstage. Guess I still need BOTH!
A good dynamic will give u both.
@@Sineseol AKA ZMF headphones, aka the Verite.
3:15 you can't "not like" this quality, the audio was probably intended to be plucked and you are just hearing it correctly. You can blur it back with software if you like weird effects on your audio but you can't unblur audio of blurry headphones no matter how clever your software is.
4:54 I see where this is coming from but once again, this is just distortion, pleasant but distortion nonetheless. If you like that quality you can apply it with software but can't remove if your headphones are distoreted.
Dynamic driver is always there for every hybrid like eim's and earbuds
can someone extain this to me in noob terms. I dont kno alot of stuff your talking about as a new person getting involved with headphones. whats better for gaming shooter fps games ?
prob the planars cuz u will get good isolation of footsteps over game noise. I just ordered Audeze's Penrose planar magnetic gaming headset. They just got released and are still on sale for pre-sale price and the Mobius (the headset the Penrose is based on) was really well received. a bit pricy tho
AKG 7xx
@@YUNGFLEXER its bomb