If they changed Breath around to be shorter, less damage, and 1 minute cooldown, I 100% would play Breath. I hate that it has 2 min cooldown and if I mess something up, my DPS is literally gone EDIT: Yeah you mentioned it in the video, I should have watched first :D
i would move hyperpyrexia as a capstone with a node before that makes your frost fever flare up from time to time for extra damage, like the legion artifact trait, but not 5% chance like it was. and give rune generation like you said before breath or something else. it would be interesting to have another capstone like that maybe focuses on dots
They should add a spec talent that replaces death and decay with remorseless winter for cleaving strikes. Death and decay is not supposed to be played by frost dk and remorseless winter is already in our rotation, so less different buttons to press. And it should be cleaving to more mobs than 2
I agree. Non of the spec defining talents at the end or the row should be ignored. If they are there, they should be competitive, and you should be able to build a spec arround it. IF NOT just remove it (no please never remove breath LOL) just make it a 1 min cd or change something in the talent tree that reduced his cd. Change hyperpyrexia to something that makes breath better. If at some point in the future, Rider of the apoca is nerfed it would suck that affecting Breath)
I just switched over to DW oblit on my dk to see how it is, i just simmed Zucos exact build with both breath and oblit together, -58K dps downgrade lol for hectic cleave
Just give it the same functionality as Void Eruption. 2 min CD, Lasts 18 seconds. SPENDING runic power increases the duration. They were on a good path with new frost strike busting razor ice. Consumes more RP to do more damage (reverted that). While in BoS, it shouldn't feel like a MISTSKE to press frost strike. Esp if you wanna be bursting razor ice. Void Eruption is too much fun to be locked to a single DPS spec in the game. I like the adrenaline of executing a perfect shadow rotation to get the most duration out of Void form for awesome damage. Which, scales with the expansion. Fresh 70s are kinda locked to maybe a 25 second duration cuz they don't have enough haste to generate more insanity to spend on plague, or the GCDs to do the rotation quick enough. As the expac goes on, you find yourself with basically a 50% uptime on Void form because you can generate so much insanity, put out so many plagues that by the time Void form is down, the cooldown is already half finished. Breath could be the same playstyle and it would be so fun to just pump Oblits and Frost Strikes as fast as you can, trying to keep breath up.
I feel like they could fix breath by making it a 1 minute cooldown, even if that means nerfing the damage slightly, they did the same with wings for ret.
One thing I just thought of and wondered why this is not a thing is for talents like breath, voidform etc. That have big extensions tied into them. Just have a thing that says "If you leave combat while Breath is active your Runic Power cannot be lowered than what it currently is for 10-ish seconds". (An effective pause button). It doesnt seem that powerful to me as it simply lets you achieve closer to the potential that higher end, co-ordinated players achieve and also allows blizz to really lean into a close to 100% uptime skill expression which is always fun. This seems like a perfect solution but maybe theres something im missing, just dont see what the negative of something like this is or how it potentially makes it absurdly overpowered in design. Couldn't really imagine people in a key waiting 9 seconds between pulls for optimum frost DK cooldown reduction or something silly to try and abuse the 10 second pause.
Blizzard actively wants breath to be 30-45seconds max, but do more dmg while it's up. so I'd be extremely surprised if there is any runic power generation this xpac. Maybe in a tier set but that's probably the only option. All that to say a talent to support breaths damage vs breaths uptime isn't gonna change imo
I agree with the new design. Keeping breath up for two minutes encourages degen gameplay. Your frost Dks will actively ignore/tunnel vision mechanics to keep breath going
I used to play frost dk alot before they introduced breath of sindy and absolutely was not a fan of my damage being based around a 2min cooldown. Still dont like it, hope they get rid of it along with Chillstreak. I think they need to take the spec back to the drawing board and figure out a more fun playstyle. just my 2 cents.
Would it work if they combined empowered rune weapon with breath? Like if you activate empowered rune weapon you gain the passive breath and have it breath out as long as the eompowered rune weapon remains? Nerf it a bit and helps with button bloat?
I'm not a genius, but would it be better if instead of a spender, breath gave you runic power over 10 seconds with a 1 min cool down. Buffed or nerfed so it's not OP, but you get this window where you can spam spenders and a burst of high paced play style like ret gets with wings
Nah, cause DK is all about balacing runes & runic power. Spamming frost strike for more than 2 gcd's in a row will mean your wasting runes that could be spent on obliterate 99% of the time barring ungoldy bad luck. A CD that just has makes it so you press frost strike kinda goes against the basic design of the spec.
@@mattoleary811 that makes a lot of sense, thx. Only other solution I can think of is condensing the damage, maybe make it consume runic power much faster and shorten the CD, having to carry it pack to pack is lame.
@@Jellyclaws221 idk, I do not get the BoS hate to begin with. Especially now that there are 2 other capstone lines for frost that seem like they have a chance to be relevant. If you don't like BoS just don't take it.
Saying lots of classes have 1 min is wrong - Ret is the exception not the norm. Most good classes are two minutes and aug breath is 2min - routes will be designed around 2min pulls by the top teams and this will filter down to the pugs. Also anything less than a 10 is irrelevant for CD and dps optimisation
I tried to do a frost strike build with Hyperpexia the other day and noticed the same thing that it does dogshit damage and feels like wasted talent points. I have seen 1.8 million frost strike crits with dual wield. 1 mil main hand and 800k off hand and hyperpexia ticking for like 5k its a joke
Nah keep breath as a 2 min, especially since you can take obliteration with breath now. Breath is just the extra uber damage every 2 mins while PoF is up every pull for consistancy. If breath was every 1 min there's basically no difference between it and oblit's damage profile unless they capped its duration at like ~12 seconds and at that point whats the point of breaths "fighting to keep it up" gameplay. Honestly I think they should stop making so many things 1 min and go back to 3 and 2 mins, but make specs less reliant on their cds for doing damage to begin with.
If they changed Breath around to be shorter, less damage, and 1 minute cooldown, I 100% would play Breath. I hate that it has 2 min cooldown and if I mess something up, my DPS is literally gone
EDIT: Yeah you mentioned it in the video, I should have watched first :D
Same, ive always liked breathe playstyle honestly but hate the 2 min CD
i would move hyperpyrexia as a capstone with a node before that makes your frost fever flare up from time to time for extra damage, like the legion artifact trait, but not 5% chance like it was. and give rune generation like you said before breath or something else. it would be interesting to have another capstone like that maybe focuses on dots
They should add a spec talent that replaces death and decay with remorseless winter for cleaving strikes. Death and decay is not supposed to be played by frost dk and remorseless winter is already in our rotation, so less different buttons to press. And it should be cleaving to more mobs than 2
I love you Zuco. Such quick yet in-depth analysis ❤
I agree. Non of the spec defining talents at the end or the row should be ignored. If they are there, they should be competitive, and you should be able to build a spec arround it. IF NOT just remove it
(no please never remove breath LOL) just make it a 1 min cd or change something in the talent tree that reduced his cd. Change hyperpyrexia to something that makes breath better. If at some point in the future, Rider of the apoca is nerfed it would suck that affecting Breath)
Season3 shadowlands was the besf for breath dk
Getting cooldown on breaths felt amazing
There is one very easy way to fix BoS, make it a one min cd and make it give you full runic power whenever you use it.
Breath plus Obliteration simultaneously... interesting. Definitely trying this one out when TWW releases.
I just switched over to DW oblit on my dk to see how it is, i just simmed Zucos exact build with both breath and oblit together, -58K dps downgrade lol for hectic cleave
Unholy has a good 45s mini burst too, especially if you go San’layn over Riders.
Just give it the same functionality as Void Eruption. 2 min CD, Lasts 18 seconds. SPENDING runic power increases the duration. They were on a good path with new frost strike busting razor ice. Consumes more RP to do more damage (reverted that). While in BoS, it shouldn't feel like a MISTSKE to press frost strike. Esp if you wanna be bursting razor ice. Void Eruption is too much fun to be locked to a single DPS spec in the game. I like the adrenaline of executing a perfect shadow rotation to get the most duration out of Void form for awesome damage. Which, scales with the expansion. Fresh 70s are kinda locked to maybe a 25 second duration cuz they don't have enough haste to generate more insanity to spend on plague, or the GCDs to do the rotation quick enough. As the expac goes on, you find yourself with basically a 50% uptime on Void form because you can generate so much insanity, put out so many plagues that by the time Void form is down, the cooldown is already half finished. Breath could be the same playstyle and it would be so fun to just pump Oblits and Frost Strikes as fast as you can, trying to keep breath up.
I feel like they could fix breath by making it a 1 minute cooldown, even if that means nerfing the damage slightly, they did the same with wings for ret.
One thing I just thought of and wondered why this is not a thing is for talents like breath, voidform etc. That have big extensions tied into them.
Just have a thing that says "If you leave combat while Breath is active your Runic Power cannot be lowered than what it currently is for 10-ish seconds". (An effective pause button).
It doesnt seem that powerful to me as it simply lets you achieve closer to the potential that higher end, co-ordinated players achieve and also allows blizz to really lean into a close to 100% uptime skill expression which is always fun.
This seems like a perfect solution but maybe theres something im missing, just dont see what the negative of something like this is or how it potentially makes it absurdly overpowered in design. Couldn't really imagine people in a key waiting 9 seconds between pulls for optimum frost DK cooldown reduction or something silly to try and abuse the 10 second pause.
Rage of the frozen champion gives runic power and runic attenuation also gives it with haste and icy talons boosting proc rates
Yeah I had those talented as well... I def forgot to mention them, but it's because they are taken on every build no matter what lol.
@ZucoWoW also smothering offense giving you 2 extra stacks of icy talons feeding into alot of runic attenuation procs extends it more as well
i really wish they did breath a cap 20 sec duration and 1 min cd so its viable for m+!!
Blizz needs to make BoS playable. I would be happy to have it nerfed slightly if it allows us to keep it up for a reasonable time.
We are so back.
Blizzard actively wants breath to be 30-45seconds max, but do more dmg while it's up. so I'd be extremely surprised if there is any runic power generation this xpac. Maybe in a tier set but that's probably the only option. All that to say a talent to support breaths damage vs breaths uptime isn't gonna change imo
I agree with the new design. Keeping breath up for two minutes encourages degen gameplay. Your frost Dks will actively ignore/tunnel vision mechanics to keep breath going
I used to play frost dk alot before they introduced breath of sindy and absolutely was not a fan of my damage being based around a 2min cooldown. Still dont like it, hope they get rid of it along with Chillstreak. I think they need to take the spec back to the drawing board and figure out a more fun playstyle. just my 2 cents.
Would it work if they combined empowered rune weapon with breath? Like if you activate empowered rune weapon you gain the passive breath and have it breath out as long as the eompowered rune weapon remains? Nerf it a bit and helps with button bloat?
That would be cool!
Infliction of Sorrow is doing 30% of the damage for San’layn uh dk. I think they want it like this
I'm not a genius, but would it be better if instead of a spender, breath gave you runic power over 10 seconds with a 1 min cool down. Buffed or nerfed so it's not OP, but you get this window where you can spam spenders and a burst of high paced play style like ret gets with wings
Nah, cause DK is all about balacing runes & runic power. Spamming frost strike for more than 2 gcd's in a row will mean your wasting runes that could be spent on obliterate 99% of the time barring ungoldy bad luck. A CD that just has makes it so you press frost strike kinda goes against the basic design of the spec.
@@mattoleary811 that makes a lot of sense, thx. Only other solution I can think of is condensing the damage, maybe make it consume runic power much faster and shorten the CD, having to carry it pack to pack is lame.
@@Jellyclaws221 idk, I do not get the BoS hate to begin with. Especially now that there are 2 other capstone lines for frost that seem like they have a chance to be relevant. If you don't like BoS just don't take it.
Saying lots of classes have 1 min is wrong - Ret is the exception not the norm. Most good classes are two minutes and aug breath is 2min - routes will be designed around 2min pulls by the top teams and this will filter down to the pugs. Also anything less than a 10 is irrelevant for CD and dps optimisation
What race are you playing in this video brother?
I tried to do a frost strike build with Hyperpexia the other day and noticed the same thing that it does dogshit damage and feels like wasted talent points.
I have seen 1.8 million frost strike crits with dual wield. 1 mil main hand and 800k off hand and hyperpexia ticking for like 5k its a joke
Isn't DK pretty good so far ? Might try it as one of my alts for TWW
It's looking very strong. The Obliterate build for Frost is really good if you don't want to try this Breath experiment :)
What if breath was a frosty wake of ashes that just refilled you runes like wake does with holy power 🤣
That would be actually cool!
What is your char race in this video,ty for answer bro
Fem orc
How do you get the tier sets in the beta?
There's a vendor in Capital cities
Nvm just found out its a vendor right in front of my face
Breath is so boring I just can't stress enough how tired I am of this
Nah keep breath as a 2 min, especially since you can take obliteration with breath now. Breath is just the extra uber damage every 2 mins while PoF is up every pull for consistancy. If breath was every 1 min there's basically no difference between it and oblit's damage profile unless they capped its duration at like ~12 seconds and at that point whats the point of breaths "fighting to keep it up" gameplay. Honestly I think they should stop making so many things 1 min and go back to 3 and 2 mins, but make specs less reliant on their cds for doing damage to begin with.
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Nope nope nope not breath eww
i hate breath.. its awful.. its need to be reworked or deleted from the game
oh nah , dk is in the gutter if we are forced to play that horrible breath.