Persona 3 Reload - A Worthless Remake
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2024
- This is a review of Persona 3 Reload. I was unsure if I should make this video considering everyone seemed to be having fun with it, but since negativity is more profitable on UA-cam anyway, I may as well vent my honest and uncompromising grievances with this critically acclaimed remake of one of my favourite JRPGs of all time. I don't go into this in the video itself but all the footage on screen was recorded by me using the PC version of the game, which has a few issues, like stuttering during important cutscenes. Apart from this, it's a serviceable enough PC port, I suppose, and you can probably mod out the terrible new music. The only thing I wasn't able to do in the game before making this video was fighting Elizabeth, so I didn't comment on it. Please let me know in the comments if they nerfed her and made her boring and easy like the rest of the game.
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Never let bro cook again 💀
What is blud yapping about 💀💀💀💀🥶🥶🥶🥶
Bro is onto nothing 🙏☠️‼️
Someone stop this boy, he has an empty argument about this awesome game
Just way off
The man just put the chicken in the pot and its still *CLUCKING...*
" but since negativity is more profitable on UA-cam anyway"
Well, at least you admit it.
To be fair he was just being honest too instead of sugar coating it or ya know lying to himself and us saying it's the best thing since sliced bread. :x
His last video is literally a 4 hour long analysis on Persona 3 that he uploaded 2 weeks ago and its sitting at less then half the views this one is at in under 24 hours of course he'll say that why would anyone ever deny clickbait doesn't bring in views
@@migu6528To be fair, that video is a reupload of four other ones he released over the course of one year. I wouldn't expect everyone already invested in his channel (which took a nosedive in view count after the first P3 analysis) to just rewatch all of that.
@@Arcanua how can you possibly think old tartarus is better than the new one
At what point did I say that? Last I checked never, don't put words in people's mouths :^)@@ponguso1
No way you heard, “it’s going down now” and thought this soundtrack was bad
bad faith review
Even my dad, a "videogame hater" said the music was good asf, now he's playing Persona 3 with me.
Never underestimate the power of nostalgia ig😂
Sounds like shit
Did you even watch the video? He JUST said the new songs were good lol, it's the remixes that are bad
It's the first time I've heard old Tartarus praise. It might very well be the last too.
Dude wants to hate this game so bad
Not the last time because I'm about to do it right now.
Old Tartarus was unironically good and always has been. The Shadows being threatening kept the tension up (which is the point) and the maze-like structure is reminiscent of old school dungeon crawlers. It being randomly generated every time meant you could never get too comfortable by knowing the layout beforehand.
These are good qualities in a dungeon crawler. The only negative is that random generation will never be as high quality as hand crafted dungeons, but it worked as an efficient and quick way to create over 200 floors of one massive dungeon in a way that fits into the themes and setting.
Praising old tartarus is like enjoying tedious and outdated tasks ...
@@JF-vz1juGirl, P3R also had random dungeons, so what you on about?
some of the fun of old tartarus to me was the stress/thrill of having to do a 2way teleporter save in a run because you get oneshot if you screw up early game, reload in contrast is much easier and i genuinely never felt at threat of unintentional death throughout the entire game, even on merciless. the minibosses were also a joke in reload, and a portion of fun in old tartarus for me was having to come up with a plan for every hard fight in early game. difficulty isn't something that makes games fun on it's own, even for me personally, but tartarus felt more akin to a pokemon game lol. that isn't necessarily bad, but i want a challenge if i'm playing merciless. though this made me realize that the slog of grinding is such a negative to me personally that i'd rather a complete cakewalk than any significant amount of mindless grind, i still prefer reload tartarus overall
personally i don't really understand the complaints about shadows being easy to dodge because in the original you literally always just menu manip spam or wait for it to turn direction, timesaver qol improvement if you ask me lol. not that you have an incentive to avoid fights in reload
I own a Shiba Inu, and Koromaru’s new voice actor sounds more like a Shiba Inu. The old VA, while iconic, sounds more like a wolf
Also he used a clip of the one howl from a sound library. It's just as bad in any other instance. I just don't understand why they didn't get a dog sound library. Would have probably been cheaper than a VA and sound better.
the va sounds like someone voice acting as a dog, i know its a small and really unimportant point to make but when you put it next to an actual stock wolf sound, You can see the difference.
the old VA is not even a person, it's just wolf sounds you can get from an audio resource
@@talsen6495 This is something that the VA studio decided to do as they thought that using stock dog sounds was "restricting on emotional responses". Personally i'm still ok with it, but at least the howls would've been nice to be kept as they were before for impact.
I don't like Koro's new VA. I can agree with the fact that it's a VA trying to do his best dog impression, but at least it was subpar at best.
"The show time mechanics weren't overpoweted in persona 5"
huh? They ignore resistances, spawn frequently, and do a lot of damage. How do you give that a pass? Your nostalgia bias is amazing
I’ve played p5 several times and I still have no idea what triggers them
Am I underleveled? Because Theurgy does Damage... but nowhere near the P5 Showtimes lol. I have to use multiple ones to actually feel the power. Unless is Shinji with the blood charge + attack up + defense down for the enemy, then it is bonkers lol
"Your nostalgia bias is amazing"
That is this entire video, really
@@lordred9122 rng
Yo p5 is most easy persona game to the point I can't enjoy it anymore. P3 r has been so much fun so far. F u. 😊
“Someone else’s vision”? You know Atlus confirmed that more than half the staff that worked on P3R worked on the original P3?
Wait really?
Yeah. I've seen some people saying that Reload's water aesthetic in the ui is soulless. Like... what? They literally said in an interview that the blue colors and objects moving uo and down in the original ui were meant to resemble drowning in water and the sea of souls where Personas came from. Reload ui is a direct remake of it
stop lying bro, they literally said reload was a testing grounds game for new recruits. basically interns made reload as their first project which is why you see areas like iwatodai dorm not having the same level of care as other environments of the game. (assumed they worked on the dorm first and then continued improving with later environments)
@@sinisis2000 So you're just going to ignore that club?
Well when colors changed i was suprised but i wanted og music more and darker tone of game. Hot topic i liked ps2 and movie mc persona awaken much more
Wait a minute, this isn’t SimplyDad
SimplyDown
Thats ConplexFather
You’re right, ‘cause SimplyDad actually had an opinion. This guy is arguably rage-baiting.
@@lianskai19complicated male parental figure
Crazy comment 💀
Bro hates life more then Strega if he thinks this is worthless.
Nah, he doesn't hate life, it's just this thing called caring about the original.
@@ralom2616”it’s not worth buying because the dog has a new voice actor1!!1!1!”
Literally nobody actually gives a shit about KOROMARU’S VOICE ACTOR. That nitpick alone shows this guy went into the game to trash it not being the original
“Showtime didnt destroy the balance in p5”💀💀💀💀
Shoji Meguro also returned to the soundtrack. He composed about half of the songs in the game, as he is credited for being the arranger of many of the new remade musical tracks.
Lotus Juice has also been a very large part of the Persona sound team since he was included as a member in P3. He writes many of the English lyrics and helps during recording sessions for the singers who arent familiar with the language. It does make sense he was so integral in the soundtrack. I also believe that them replacing the sample pack vocals and using their actual singers that were hired makes the OST feel more personable.
Thought I was going crazy cause I love the new music mixed with the original soundtrack here
@@WillTheGreatest Chances are if you hear a guitar, it's Shoji Meguro playing. Tracks like Afternoon Break, Unavoidable Battle, Battle Hymn for the Soul, etc. were all Shoji's doing.
I think he's just credited because they didn't actually arrange the tracks at all. Any remotely reworked track credits Kitajoh.
@@ender7278 No, a lot of the tracks that he's credited for are very clearly redone. Afternoon Break uses Session Horns instead of KAB like in the original, and the articulation is different. As well as the drumes. Battle Hymn of the Soul is also completely redone, with the guitar being played differently and the drums being re-done. Shoji Meguro remade a lot of the tracks in the game.
After hearing the English lyrics throughout the soundtrack, it makes sense Lotus Juice worked on most of them. English being my first language, a ton of lyrics sound awkward.
I find it funny how Nam's Compendium had almost the same points as you. But the difference between both of you is that one gets praised for combating the recency bias, and the other gets shitted on into oblivion
Were the points all the same? And not all of Nam's points were good, people argued against him too to a degree.
@@jaydenc367 What makes you say that? I saw his video not too long ago and while I do agree on some of his points, most of them, I feel either indifferent or I just don't agree myself. I get where Nam is coming from but I dunno, I just don't see it the same way the way he sees it. I don't think it lost its identity. It's there. Or rather, I feel like it didn't replace FES but that's ok. I'm ok with Reload not replacing FES. Along as it respects the original (mostly), then I'm fine with it. It not be the "definitive" version, but it comes close. But that's just me.
@@mariosonic987pac-hero4 Well I've seen through his review and a good number of his points and yeah I don't agree with most of what he said myself. I agree with you completely however on how you see Reload, it didn't replace FES but that's fine and it honestly does respect the original at least for the most part.
I mean, Nam never called the remake "worthless".
Yikes, It´s no surprise the game has some issues but worthless remake?
Its not worthless because of the issues it has, its worthless because its visionless compared to the original
It tries to express the same emotions and messages without a lot of the direction of art, atmosphere and sound the original team put in the game.
It is worthless. It ignores the original message and intent while trying to make EVERYTHING more similar to, and palatable to the Person 5 newcomers.
@@Cookedmaruchan What is the difference between a game that has a vision and doesn't have a vision, and how does that relate to the remake vs FES? That is such a vague statement to make.
It doesn't have the same atmosphere as the original game because the colors are brighter in the dorm? Nitpick at best. What about the art direction is so bad that the original does it better? Please inform me. The sound is better in FES somehow?
@@Cookedmaruchan I agree that there is a change in the direction of art and atmosphere , as for the music i think it tries to emulate the original well enough, but I do think these changes are necessary to appeal the Persona 5 newcomers as @hobobeard said, I do believe SEES feels more like a group of friends in this game rather than a team of quite different but well connected individuals like they did in the original games, and while i prefer how FES and portable managed the story and art direction I dont think different means badly executed or visionless
@@Cookedmaruchan Not to mention its lack of FES content/The Answer, yet it's being marketed as definitive.
To be honest i could understand your issues with the remake, but called it worthless are a bit too much
Yeah but that’s his opinion though.
@@AloyImpactyeah and people can disagree with that opinion!
@@AloyImpactand it’s this persons opinion that calling a remake that improves on most of the original persona 3 worthless is being too critical.
@@gobsmacked2412 I never said you couldn’t disagree? I just said that’s his opinion.
@@-jay-2993 but again he’s allowed his opinion? I’m not saying you have to fully agree or what not. It’s just an opinion.
This remake does what my other favourite game remakes do, which is, imo, respect the source material by not totally overhauling it, with the changes coming from wanting to try and further enrich the experience. It reminds me of games like Resident Evil remake, and Fire Red/Leaf Green
"not totally overhauling it"
"Resident Evil remake"
All of them did, even RE1make. At least, it's the best out of them.
Re remake is NOTHING like the original, not like I'm complaining.
@@ChiefMedicPururu It's not a total overhaul like the later RE remakes. It adds quite a bit more to the mansion and adds some new mechanics, but it feels like it's building on top of the original game instead of completely redesigning it
@SoftBoiledArt While I think the larger scope, narrative additions and Crimson Heads make it feel fresh, I wouldn't say it's as much as a total redesign as, say, RE remake for example. I don't want to say the additions aren't substantial (they are), but it doesn't feel like a totally new game to me
@@franjaff6919 The gameplay basics are similar but the tone and overall result is nothing like og RE, Og RE to REmake is like turning Attack of the killer tomatoes into Alien, literal 180º turn of identity and atmosphere.
And A.I. party members are still there, they’re just optional now. Just because you like A.I. party members doesn’t mean the entire game has to cater to your play style and ONLY your play style alone. Not everyone likes dealing with A.I. so I think having it optional is a win for everyone.
They didnt cater to that playstyle tho, all the tactics options are still gone so the systems unusable
@@sociallyawkard5675 sure but for him to act like A.I. party members is better than being able to control them is absolutely baffling. We can all agree that the A.I. system will never be better than actually controlling your teammates.
@@Flamemaster78 I find one more more fun when tactics were a thing actually
@Flamemaster78 I do not agree at all. How it was implemented in vanilla P3 and FES was fine. I would go as far as to call it fun.
" We can all agree..." No. You don't speak for me or the many other people who lament the reduced state of the Tactics command in P3R. Yes you're right, it is there. But it is such a shell of its former self that, of course, Direct Commands is better. It's better BECAUSE they made the Tactics command WORSE.
@@Flamemaster78 ''they’re just optional now'' No they are not they dont even work half of things that fes had is removed this is just lazy copyed from persona4/persona5
they dont work with baton pass at all.
Respect your opinion and definitely agree with a good amount of your takes but some of them felt really nitpicky and dumb
Definitely nitpicking
Which points did you find nitpicky?
@@agent7142 mostly stylistic preferences that aren’t a big deal to 99% of people and the fact that he said he couldn’t feel a connection with Koromaru (a dog whose only voice lines are barking) made me think that this was actually a joke video for a second
@@agent7142all of them
@@kl0764 i dont understand as well
I played this game 10 years ago when i was middle school and i still able to enjoy the game just like 10 years ago
they even added convenient features like teleporting by opening map or better menu for velvet room
Also i loves the new reload original songs especially, Opening, It's going down, and Night Time BGM
I agree with some of your video: a remake will never be “as good” as the original, but that’s where I stop agreeing with you. Art is not excluded from being remade. Look at the Grecian myths retold centuries later and timeless books adapted to various media across generations, and I don’t think your sentiment holds true in the slightest. Sure, different visions are held at different times, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone call the modern interpretation of Grecian myth in “Hades” as “not as good as the original”. Adaptations and remakes exist when the context and exigence of their environment change. I think it’s healthy.
Which brings us to Persona 3. I am a DIE HARD P3 fan. I agree! Lots of artistic choices were abandoned (AI party members not being the default and only mode of RPG battles, Tartarus blocks being blocky and extremely reminiscent of older dungeon crawling maps, etc.) But I don’t think changing these aspects ruins the artistic vision in the way you believe. ENG Translations already are a step removed from the director’s artistic vision, so there’s that elephant in the room. But you are able to toggle some choices to retain that artistic vision: play on Merciless, play with AI party members switched on in the Tactics menu as the default, and date every woman when you reach Rank 10 regardless whether you want to or not!) Those options are there, but I think with this “remake” or “adaptation”, it’s more about staying true to what made Persona 3 remarkable.
To this day, you’ll find few supporters of the AI party members and Rank 10 Forced Dating routes. They were not what made P3 great. The difficulty, too, is not what made it great. Persona 3 is greater than the sum of its parts.
I'll be honest, though, the rest of your points seemed more like nitpicks rather than issues with theme/messaging and artistic vision. Koromaru's "voice acting", the music choices, and the battle difficulty. Koromaru’s VA… I mean he’s a dog. Hearing the stock SFX of a dog for a unique character like Koro in the original P3 always took me out of the experience because I knew it was just a guy at Atlus dragging and dropping “bark_1” into a file from a stock library. Music is a subjective choice (to which I counter your point and state that *You* are wrong. 😊 ) And the battle difficulty… I mean… pick Merciless? The option is right there from the beginning. I’m playing on Merciless and the monorail fight absolutely folded me (a seasoned Persona 3 vet) like an omelet.
I don't think someone's artistic vision was destroyed here. Altered? Yes, but I also would call into question the original team's choices.
- Rank 10 being an objective "You get to date her!" for all women characters (the teacher and in some insane way the child (who develops a crush on you)) is really wrong because it turns the women's stories into a “their end of the story revolves around dating ME”. Gross and uncool. Glad to see this become an optional feature (much like the difficulty and Party Member AI… no?)
- A lack of a trigger warning for a game deeply enmeshed with topics and themes of suicide and death. Great change. Perfect for the new age where mental health is important to monitor.
- MEANINGFUL Night time activities being 7, and I do mean SEVEN options: Tartarus exploration, Tower SL, Devil SL, Coffee, Karaoke, Arcade, or misc. shopping. These are not all available at the same time, and some of these become moot after you max a state or max a SL. In other words, night time activities were extremely limited, making half of the day-life simulator aspect boring and repetitive.
None of these things were ideas you brought up in your review because they were not important enough for you to bring up in a "negative" review. Fine with us, that's your opinion, but by omitting them, it appears as though you considered some aspects that were genuinely outdated or wrong as "artistically correct", like the Rank 10 Forced Dating route for all women.
I respectfully disagree with your opinion and review, and I think that your bias towards Persona 3 (understandably so) makes you omit or ignore what *is* there which is, in as basic terms as I can say, a very solid JRPG with strong thematic elements, music, gameplay, and story beats.
You cannot beat the game with AI party members because you have no way of telling them to block. Which is necessary to finish the game on Merciless. I've tried.
a remake will never be "as good" as the original? any remakes? gate keeping much :)
I agree with you overall, but in you don't date the child in p3? Thats only with the fanfic femc in portable. Maiko only does the nanako like "lets get married!!!" Stuff that's obviously not taken seriously.
The fact that you think getting to date the female social link if you get them to rank 10 is "gross and uncool" shows to me your opinion is actually worthless and you will never feel the touch of a woman.
@asocil4722 That is absolutely bullshit because I literally best the game on Merciless WITHOUT USING DIRECT COMMANDS ON ANYONE.
It absolutely can be done. You saying it can't just proves how bad you are at the game.
Some of your criticisms feel fair, but others confuse me. Maybe its based on how I played P3, but Tatarus is the same for me in terms of encounters. I see an enemy. Wait for it to turn around. back strike. The only difference is how wide the hallways are. On paper I get your point on how the dungeon design informs the gameplay and feel, but I cant see it actually playing out in that well thought out way. I feel like most people will just fight the shadow or dodge in either game. the ones that avoid combat might have a harder time with the trickier minibosses, so the shadows still impede you.
I have my nitpicks over changes that are small and take me out of it, but even with my preferences it feels odd to call this a worthless remake. To go that far with these minor pain points sounds almost like a "different=bad" take. There's nothing wrong with preferring Fes or the original, But I feel like there's a place for this one too
I'm sorry you weren't able to enjoy the game as much as the majority of us had, especially since the entire game was 70$
it costs 70 dollars?!! please say sike......
@@niteriemcfarlane5285every...single triple a game costs 70 now. And youre getting like 100 hours of gameplay.
Please say sike
@@parsashirali8957 it's persona 5 2.0 should be lower 🗿
@@niteriemcfarlane5285 saying it is persona 5 2.0 is like saying persona 4 is OG persona 3 2.0
@@niteriemcfarlane5285have you even played the game?
Agree with a lot of points, but would never say worthless because the issues of the original versions were also significant and this remake does fixes a good chunk of them, which can't be ignored. Preserving the story in a modern format will always be relevant if the standards for everything in the series keep getting higher
Being forced to date all girls, the stamina system that just stops exploration, a VERY VERY simple dungeon, the bad portrait designs, the low budget assets that didn't even fit the characters' proportions, the voice acting work of very variable quality, male party members having very little screentime + having few options to hang out with SEES were all examples of things fixed and ignoring them because "the dorm lightning is bad" doesn't feel fair.
Not to mention all social links are voiced now, which attenuates the bad writing due to how good of a work was done and how memorable the stories became. It's such a dull experience going back to watch those scenes in FES or Portable
And either way, this is much easier to get into for new fans due to standards set by persona 5. It IS a good remake both for persona 3 fans that want to experience rbe game again and new fans. Just not ideal for those whose originals' experiences are fresh in the mind or anyone who expected a more creative direction
This may not be "the definitive edition", but it is a very fair alternative
btw, this is the only persona game that can't be pirated on pc, so I know some hate comments will just come out of some ppl not having access to it at all. It is very expensive, so it becomes easier to hate, if you can't afford
Most of the "issues" weren't issues at all, and honestly, the very lat comment takes credi away from your comment.
Yes go say to resist fandom side of fandom 😒
@@denkerbosu3551Yes. All of those were issues.
See if you date keep idea of let keep dates and idea that just place in persona 3 that never exits in other game before i.e. Not be able pick skill or how party act outside mc
Royal cant be pirated too
This video's existence goes to show no matter how good a game is there's always some contrarian video essayist
Agreed. OP desperately wanted attention bad
Cvit and SimplyBad are also examples of that.
Is almost like not everyone has the same opinion or something
@@akiradkcn yeah some opinions are better than others though
@@akiradkcn I REFUSE TO BELIEVE HE ACTUALLY BELIEVES THE SOUNDTRACK IS WORSE. He’s only doing this as engagement bait.
I’m super surprised he didn’t mention how the remake also took out the Split Up option.
You mean, where you can send a teammate out to scout the rest of the floor and a bit of the next? That's in Reload. It's been a LONG time since I played FES, but I don't remember an alternative party split option.
@@broodwars64 Your party in FES can sometimes split up and go into their own battles or find chests, it was not a great feature imo and the replacing it with scouting ahead is just better
@@LobeFinnedYeah, I remember it now that you mention it. I rarely used that feature in FES because the split off people would get into their own battles and beg me to come bail them out, negating the entire point of splitting up.
@@broodwars64 You can ignore them, I've never had members tell me to fight with them
nobody actually used that stupid ass option stop complaining js to complain.
Me when I purposefully lie on the internet:
tbh me when I didn't get a free review code from Sega 😢
Hmm... definitely a lot of fair criticism but also some very uncharitable takes as well. The random dig at RE4 Remake is also just... what? 😅
He probably said it to compare the last big-ish remake to have come out, which did try and "change" things.
You do know that enemies despawn in the original if you went away from them right??
the major difference here is the ease at which you evade. An enemy despawns but you have to go pretty far for them to despawn in fes. In Reload it is timed and doen't really take long. They will just stand there otherwise and sometimes lose aggro on you (They can actively gatekeep the way you need to go which never can happen in reload).
The areas are also small and you are slower in fes (still faster than a shadow but not by much) meaning it is easier to be hit. You also don't get advantage if you strike the enemy should they see you even for a frame. In reload you get a pretty long grace period and later on you can basically auto-succeed to get advantage.
Let's be honest just because the enemies can despawn in fes still doesn't mean it is the same as it is in reload. Fes needs you to go a pretty long distance but will not despawn enemies in your field of view or actively aggroing you. Where reload will do this.
@@reksraven6909ah so because they learned from their past shitty archaic AI coding and made much better AI, that means it's bad. Noted.
@@justsomeguy727 where did you get that the ai got better now? The ai got worse if anything. (I assume you are talking about enemy ai in that context) Shadows despawn now after a really short time and they cannot keep up with you. They get ambushed even if they see you. Where is the ai better.
@@justsomeguy727 you can never win with these chodes.
Just let them pick up their nostalgia glasses and get back to a better game.
@@reksraven6909 Let’s ask the question the devs probably asked themselves when designing this (Of which, more than half is from the original all those years back). What is the point of making it harder to gain advantage against enemies?
The point I’m sure, is that it encourages players to pay attention to the direction they face as well as become more skilled at sneak attacking them. That’s good, but what is the cost? It can frustrate newer, inexperienced players i suppose, but more importantly it slows down exploration time.
The JRPG world has changed in the years passed and generally people don’t like sluggish gameplay anymore. The devs could certainly give the shadows the same behavior as they did in ogp3 but the benefit it provides is very little compared to what it does to the game speed in what is ultimately a simple mechanic.
Simply put, it’s useless padding that they wanted to remove to streamline exploration. The monad doors revealing the next map, clock recovery, and fuuka’s new stuff also proves this.
The tartarus bit being a part of the game design meant to emulate the gameplay of a traditional 2d dungeon crawler is something I suspect the dev team didn't even consider once. However, it's equally as likely that it *was* a measured decision because rpg players in 2024 find dungeon crawling akin to torture, lol.
Oh I'm sure it was measured, one of the biggest complaints about P3 was the dungeon crawling flow after all, if that part didn't change completely people would've complained en masse from day 1 lmao
And I'm already seeing people (including myself) finding Reload Tartarus annoying near the endgame so even changed, it still didn't work out
@@madrugaman1915 It's kinda hard to fix a thing like this without completely changing it so I'm not shocked
@@madrugaman1915 thing is you can't drastically change it to a degree like you can't turn tartarus as a palace as the puzzles would be even more tedious then it is on 5 on repeat, i am a bit suprised very few have put tartarus and mementos from 5 together as they function pretty similarly
@@madrugaman1915 Thanks for the (hopefully) best news about this game so far. Merciless has been a snorefest on difficulty and I'm actually wanting a challenge like normal mode gave in the original.
I don't get his tarterus complaint because it plays *the same way* as FES and Portable. Only now there's new bosses. New rare chest. And the reaper can follow you. It plays the exact same. Reach the top floor that's blocked off until the next arc
3:45 Not sure if the reference was intentional or not, but the protagonist and Ryoji are voiced by Ishida Akira who also did the voice for Kaworu.
This aint DR this aint deliberate nor well thought out
P3 is chocked full of Eva references, Thanatos' showing up in the awakening scene, Ikutsuki clearly being based somewhat on Gendo, The 3rd Impact and The Fall, even the imagery of the Great Seal is totally visually inspired by Adam in Eva
Ken's JP voice actor is also the same Shinji's (Megumi Ogata), which is fitting since they also have a lot of parallels.
@@Tubular_dude_20y_ago I am playing through P3 FES and P3P....and Ikutsuki based on Gendo? Bruh I really don`t see it....I mean they sort of both overview big operations and projects but personality wise and stuff they are entirely different.
Dude, the original intro for persona 3 is literally cruel persona thesis
I hate how often this needs to be said, but remakes are different from remasters. If you wanted the same game that's a remaster. A revision of something old with modern things included is a remake.
That's a weird argument considering how everyone keeps saying that it is a very faithful remake and the developers admit they wanted to make it as faithful to P3FES as possible.
If the idea was to make it faithful then it should be valid to criticize the remake for not being as faithful as it has been presented.
I think they did a good job, of course things change and the lighting is a bit different but so what it’s not like the original is suddenly void and unavailable. Also this is a remaster of fes for sure just with a few changes and additions added in. Portable in on the same console so I don’t think Femc is necessary and honestly Makotos story is the most ideal way to experience Persona 3 imo. Good remaster I still prefer fes but you didn’t hear that from me
@@raffzz453 true but the definition of a "Remake" is "to make anew or in a different form" This is the different form part of the definition. It is a Faitful Remake it is The original Story of Persona 3 and more. but it is not required to be EXACTLY 1:1
NEVER RATE AGAIN 😭😭‼️
I think there's some fair criticism here. Things like the Art Direction hitting some of themes correctly definitely aren't all the way there. Whatever they were going for with the green hue during the dark hour didn't come across very well. I guess they just wanted to make it REALLY clear that we were in the dark hour.
I have to completely disagree about Tartarus and combat though. I feel like I'm misunderstanding something, because I feel as if Tartarus was never interesting or difficult in any version of the game. So criticizing it from that point of view felt pretty strange to hear. On top of that, I don't think the persona games are intended to be difficult.
Calling the game Worthless is obviously ridiculous. There's likely hundreds of thousands of new people who will get to experience the Story and Characters of Persona 3 that would have never done so before. And at the end of the day, I personally find that to be the most important part. Which might just be a difference in what we find important about games.
I like how this remake respects players’ time. Presentation wise, could not have asked for better improvement. Fuuka’s voice is actually pleasant to hear now
Sometimes when you love something so much, even the tiniest changes can add up to create a different painting than the one you were captivated by. And it can feel a little insane to feel as though you’re alone in appreciating what was lost in exchange for the higher accessibility and “quality of life”.
I feel like it’s impossible at times to get your thoughts across without being labelled as being blinded by nostalgia, being some kind of elitist, or just getting called an idiot. I guess in the way that some media isn’t for everyone, some opinions/discussions aren’t palatable for everyone. To what many are nitpicks I feel like only some will understand(whether they agree or disagree), and it feels impossible to say that without coming off as a “you need a very high iq to understand the complexity of this statement!” kind of person :/
Hope the algorithm enjoys the engagement, you’re brave for this lol
So true, man. I really value p3 beside im an artist and just can't not nitpicking on some details like animated cutscenes direction, music covers etc
You know I am in the belief when you get older you tend to understand more of why you liked something back then, then how you did when you 1st played it. You can still point out the flaws but it's not like you were ever calling it perfect. People want to say it's a nostalgia bias, while I could say they have a recency bias. But hey it is what it is some will understand both side, and others wont.
Exactly. These aren't mere "nitpicks." These are valid criticisms coming from someone who probably has a deeper understanding of this game's themes and mechanics moreso than the average fan who came on here to make claims of someone being "blinded by nostalgia" or an "elitist."
Sure some takes are just a matter of taste. I like the music for one, including the new tracks. But I can understand how someone can look at the OST and see an oversaturation of Lotus Juice (he is in quite a few of them, some of which you listen to constantly).
I've said it once and I'll say it again: as much as you say you love something if you're not willing to give or accept valid criticism of it, then your love for it is not as great as you think.
@@chrishunter9185
>called the game worthless
>valid criticism
>what?
@Maruhodo You know can choose to not be disingenuous. You know that isn't what I said. I don't care if SnicketySlice said P3R is a worthless remake (contrary to you people who care way too much). I care about why he thinks so, and I happen to find most of his criticism valid.
That's all it is. Quit being disingenuous and taking what I say out of context.
15 minutes of yapping
Could’ve been an hour 🤷🏼♂️ Blud was definitely baiting with this one
It seems like you have a really hard time separating the objective issues with things you personally dislike. For example, you dislike the new versions of the songs. Perfectly valid. What's not valid is you acting like they're objectively worse and that anyone who disagrees with you is simply wrong. Music is one of the most subjective forms of art out there, and you fail to give even the slightest hint of objective criticism to them aside from "Lotus Juice is in a lot of them". Which like, yeah, all the Persona games have one singer for most of their tracks, you could make the exact same complaint about all of them. A lot of OG P3's tracks have a lot of Yumi Kawamura in them, a lot of P4's tracks of Shihoko Hirata in them, a lot of P5's tracks have Lyn Inaizumi in them, and I'm sure P6's soundtrack will primarily feature one singer in 90% of its tracks. Why is it a problem for Lotus Juice specifically?
Also, the part with the Iwatodai Dorm lyrics is funny because you act like senseless lyrics are new to the series. Hell, original Persona 3 probably has the least understandable lyrics in the series. You heard lines like "When stars are smiling moon, wonder how look in your eyes" and "Right here, Shadow, 10 o'clock, direction, seize the moment, destroy the nation" and thought "yeah, these are good lyrics, these make sense"?
Another example is with the change to fully controlled party members, as seen in Portable. Sure, you may like the AI in the original, but guess what, a lot of people, quite the majority in fact, don't. And this isn't a new thing either, it was so unpopular it was dropped as soon as the very next game. There is no world where Atlus didn't add a controllable party, especially since a large majority of fans came in from 4 and 5 which had it from the beginning. Sure, the AI made the game harder, but in my opinion, it didn't make it harder in an actually fun way. The way I see it, taking stuff away from the player is not a fun way to increase difficulty. All it does is make the player go "man, this would go so much better if I could do the thing they took away specifically in this game", which isn't fun, it's frustrating. Tying one arm behind your back also makes games harder, but it wouldn't be a very enjoyable experience at all, would it?
Also... you know you're supposed to fight the enemies right? They give you experience, which is a valuable thing in an RPG. They include the ambush and advantage systems to encourage you to play aggressively and fight as many shadows as possible. It's weird to complain about it being easier to avoid enemies when you shouldn't be in the first place.
Another weird complaint is the one about needing to skip floors to find the next teleporter, but you can only skip to the next floor if you've found the stairs, and thus explored the floors... so why are you returning to previous floors? The only reason to do that is to grind (which isn't needed, if you can make it to the barrier, you're a high enough level to take the next Full Moon Boss), or for saving the people trapped in Tartarus, which has an option to automatically bring you back to the entrance (and also, why didn't you just grab them the first time around?)
It's also weird that you start off the video acting like you're looking at it from a purely artistic perspective, but the only criticisms you have about the artistic side of the game are the music (which I already went over), and the lighting of ONE AREA of the game. The rest of your complaints are about the gameplay side of things. As you said, the story itself is exactly the same, and the addition of things like the better looking models and cutscenes, and the linked episodes just add to the experience. If that's all you have a problem with artistically, I have a hard time seeing how this is the worse version.
Overall, it feels really weird to me to complain about remakes like this. It's not like Reload is replacing FES. If you truly like FES more, you can still play it. You never have to touch Reload again if you really don't want to. It's simply just another option to consider, and having more options is never a bad thing.
persona 3 reload is atlus’s attempt to replace persona 3 fes, notice how persona 3 fes is not on modern platforms not even on steam? Its because they want this remake to completely replace it. Thats why theres no toggle for original ost or anything. I wouldnt be so bothered by reload if p3fes was on steam or something but because its the only accessible version (p3p doesnt exist) then i guess im just stuck with it. this situation parallels with sega’s treatment with the ps2 yakuza games and the yakuza kiwami games.
@@sinisis2000 From what I understand, FES hasn't been ported because it's code is an absolute clusterfuck.
Besides, if you really wanna play FES on a PC, just emulate it
@@PlayerZeroStart yeah i heard that too, I hope in like 20 years theres a decomp of it because 60 fps p3 fes would be cool
It’s always a sign that a reviewer fucking sucks when they call opinion objective.
Music is very subjective.
Pitchfork gave Painc! At The Disco's debut album a 1.5/10.
How Do I Live By Trica Yearwood and I Don't Want To Miss A Thing by Aerosmith were both nominated for Razzie for Worst Original Song and the Oscar for Best Original Song.
Even Bohemian Rhapsody got negative reviews when it was new.
Everyone laughs at those reviews and Everyone laughs at the infamous GameSpot Review of alien resurrection.
In the?
Quest to be a contrarian a lot of people in youtube legacy will be people laughing at them in the future.
I think if the only Persona game you've played is 5 and the idea of playing a PS2 game scares you, go ahead and play P3R and enjoy it. You will legit have a great time with it.
However, if you are a fan of the series and want to actually experience Persona 3, it's clear that FES is still the best way to play. The entire experience of playing FES vs Reload is just so completely different that it's hard to understate. You've touched on a lot of reasons why in this video, and they clearly make a lot of people mad. I really wanted to enjoy Reload, but I came away from it with a feeling of emptiness.
If I've never played the original, I would probably like this remake more. But, it's inevitable to compare a remake of something to the original, and I honestly feel like the only purpose this remake serves is to introduce the world of P3 to Persona fans unwilling to play anything older than a current-gen game. It hardly does anything to deepen the experience for existing P3 fans.
I’m not gonna lie I watched this video twice and I feel as if this comes from a place of true pettiness and hate.
“Can’t get invested into Koromaru as a character”
It’s a fucking regular ass dog lmao.
I can’t lie and say I disagree, it kinda feels like he didn’t WANT it to be good.
@@funnynamelol3156sometimes I wonder if this video is satire just because of this part in particular
@@nitinanku That's the oldguard community for ya. Thankfully jokers like this guy are fading into irrelevancy as the Atlus community expands.
Eh, it's just a review man. I mean, yeah, it's a negative one, so it's going to be negative. Why does it have to be more than that?
I agree with alot of issues you brought up but dissagree with the severity of the issues, does that make any sense?
Same, I agree with op's points but it's still a good game
@@di-gun5791 And I think there are alot of other good elementsthat he just glosed over (and I don't think the remixes are that bad lol)
I'm replaying the game for the first time in like 15 years, so, like with your P3 retrospectives, I'm gonna wait to watch until I finish this playthrough. I did play the game in full in my youth, but have forgotten enough about it that I'm essentially playing it again for the first time.
With that said, I have really been enjoying this remake, and I feel like it's one of the best RPGs I've ever played. I absolutely hate Theurgies, though, and how so many boss fights have just been "build gauge and then spend it." So that's pretty dog shit, but isn't nearly enough to cause me to not love the whole.
outside of theurgy charges I found the difficulty to be very fair like it's close to p4 vanilla's
Ah you don't need Theurgies you just need buff, debuff, charge and vorpal blade / brave blade
Never heard this big of a hater in my entire life 💀
The yapping goes insane
did we even play the same game lmao
First time i watched a game me review that feels like reading r/iam14andthisisdeep
Personally, I feel the same about the dorm colors, but reversed. I feel for the majority of the game, it doesn't fit the original game. Although I want to preface at the start that because I feel this way doesn't mean that my opinion is authority or anything, I agree with a few things brought up in this video, like the statement that a true remake of 3 would need AI controlled party members as that is part of the identity of the original, but I digress.
My reasoning for the color palette of the dorm being mostly wrong in the original is because the characters overall moods, at least until Shinji dies, are very cheerful and relaxed. The only real exceptions would be Mitsuru (the weight of the Kriijo group's sins weighing down on her) and Ken and Shinji (For obvious reasons) Of course the entire game isn't sunshine and rainbows until Shinji's death, but for the majority of the time, it is. Therefore, the muted color pallet for the majority of the game feels off and not only doesn't fit the characters state of minds, but the Iwatodai Dorms song in the first place. Once Shinji dies and the game goes through its tonal shift however, thats when the dorm colors accurately reflect the overall mood of the dorm, as everyone in the group is now forced to face their mortality. This issue does not get actually fixed though until January, as Iwatodai Dorms no longer fit the current mood of SEES which is more accurately reflected in Living With Determination, which accurately fits the dorm as a setting and the inhabitants of the dorm. Of course, I feel the dorm colors should have switched around when Shinji dies in the remake, or at the very latest, Chidori's death, but not at the start of January.
I also feel like our opinions differ on the majority of the things here because we have different preferences and wants from a remake. For example, you said during the video you didn't like the RE4 Remake because of its tone shifts, which is actually one of the main reasons I love RE4 Remake. The only problem I have, which I think is how you're interpreting it, is these games are supposed to be replacements for the original, with both the marketing and the communities accepting them as such. This, I think, is a stupid design philosophy for remaking a game and shouldn't be the norm in remake culture. I saw RE4 Remake more as a RE4 Re-imagined project, where they used the tone of RE4 prototypes (ie the castle prototype with Ashley's segment) in order to make a game with similar points, but not just the original game that looks better. If I want a goofier revolutionary action movie style game, then I'd play the original RE4, if I want a more grounded action movie-esque story with memorable characters and modern gameplay, then I would play RE4 Remake. I view P3R in a similar way, a modern repaint of a game from the mid 2000's. There will never be a definitive way to play a game unless there is only one version of that game. I even think the original P3 has some things over FES (for example, talking to Tanaka at Port Island Station during the day, although this leaves Mutatsu as the only Social Link at night, this is really the only reason I would ever go and explore Port Island Station, minus some of Elizabeth's requests.) I guess what I'm trying to say with this comment is that going into a remake of a game with the expectation of it being better or outright replacing the original leaves little room for positive reinforcement of the product in your mind. Expecting some problems from the original to be fixed is perfectly fine for a remake, but expecting it to be definitive is a uphill battle where the hill is a straight 90 degree angle.
I am glad that you did voice your opinion on the game with it being so negative, I personally want varied reviews of every piece of art in history, video games included. So thank you for posting this, the over saturation of positive or negative reviews for a game is a problem I have as most people only talk about whats great or whats bad in a review. Although this was overly negative, you did give credit where its due on places that I felt really deserved it, the prime example being the ending scene.
Also, since you didn't listen to the English cast, my opinion is that Aleks is great for the hero, but miscast as Pharos, Ryoji, and Nyx Avatar. Yukari was fine, the original is better but not a supreme downgrade. Junpei sounds the exact same to me with more varied acting, especially during the scene where he gets Chidori's sketchbook. Akihiko's voice fit him better now, but I think the og Akihiko did the more emotional scenes better. Mitsuru sounds identical to Tara, Mitsuru is definitely the highlight of the cast in my eyes, as she did a lot of her scenes on par or better then Tara. Fuuka is better, but not by a lot, although I feel this is more of a problem with her not getting many emotional scenes throughout the game rather than the Actresses talent. Aigis was great as the robot, but didn't gradually become more human as the game went on, it was a sudden switch the moment January hit, when the switch happens she is really good, I just wish it was more gradual. You heard koro, he's ok at best and very strange at worst to me but I think I was more tolerable of it by the end. Ken sounds better then the original, but I feel like he had two modes throughout the game, normal ken, and depressed ken, there was no variation that I could hear. Shinji I'm honestly super mixed on, some of his lines are great but some of them felt like they were the first take or the other takes were so bad that they just chose the not awful ones.
Yeah, sorry for the long comment, I meant to just make this about the dorm lighting but I kept typing out my thoughts about the video and now I wrote a better essay then I ever have for most of my teachers. I love this game and think its the second best version of the game behind FES but I can see why you wouldn't think so, I look at a game like both a painting and a PC to use your analogy. New parts are cool but its not the same as the original.
really agree with you here
I absolutely love this game. I played the original a couple times and wasn’t sure if I’d enjoy play it again but man they make it feel like you’re playing it again for the first time and perfected the game with new features i didn’t know it was missing.
The only reason people were calling for a remake of P3 was because there wasn't a definitive edition of Persona 3 as Portable and FES each had something the other didn't have or offer.
The fact Atlus did not include FEMC and introduce a definitive edition of this game once and for all is an absolute joke.
the funny thing is that they chose to move from the p5r engine to unreal makes the game look like a unity game
@mrrokiisbored I'm still not over the fact this game is $70 dollars base.
Atlus is charging 70 dollars for a non definitive remake of an almost 20 year old game. And idiots still defend it. Just unbelievable, the persona fandom really are bottom feeders.
@Blackmage4001 It's sad, as a person who played from the og version of persona 1 on ps1 till persona 5 royal on pc, its so much sad to see atlus doing fans dirty like this, the problem is that the fans want a definitive version of 3, and because atlus released a version of 3, ppl will claim that its the perfect version even though its not, even persona 5 royal, a game that is not this much old is better than this, if ppl are looking for a defenetive versions of 3, there are 2 choices, portable and fes, it now depends on the person and which version he want to play
@mrrokiisbored I am done with both Atlus and the Persona fandom if the leaks are true and Atlus has decided to completely move on from reload personally.
Them just blatantly refusing to add FEMC to this game after years of using her in their anniversary marketing is both scummy and callous. And the fact a large segment of the fandom actively cheers this on and jeers at the people who are disappointed by this is absolutely baffling.
@Blackmage4001 I heard that its true and that the reason is not that the reload devs doesn't want to, but because atlus doesn't so sadly yeah, no femc so it's basically a worse version of fes... AT THIS FUCKIN POINT JUST EMULATE FES WITH HD MODS, WHY TF PPL DEFEND THIS LOL
Finally someone put into words how I feel about this remake. There's some other issues I take with it but you brought up a lot of it.
This game feels like a remaster, should have been $40. I have no idea what took them so long in making this. It’s fun but by no means a 10/10.
I guess this is the inevitable downfall of all youtube channels who pride themselves on breakdowns and analysis videos, as soon as something comes out that they don't enjoy and their ego has become enormous through success, it's only a matter of time till they release a video that's sub-standard to their usual uploads, coming off as a child having a tantrum at the sky.
Persona 3 Reload has it's problems, for one the lighting in the dorm needed a rework since everything looks flat with barely any shadow to emphasis the objects, a lot of the originals artistic vision style-wise has been lost due to modern sensibilities as well as the new teams own interpretations on how to re-create the art, and there are some features that are missing like splitting the whole party up in Tartarus. I understand these criticisms but some of the stuff you've tried to use are ridiculous nitpicks and come off as a fanboy unable to accept change in any form.
You're free to not like the music but at the end of the day it's incredibly subjective if someone likes the soundtrack and for you to say that people are wrong for liking it is incredibly arrogant. Feel free to say there's too much Lotus Juice for you to enjoy the soundtrack but uploading a video where you winge at the developers for making something you don't enjoy and claiming other people are wrong for liking it just stinks of an overinflated ego.
The difficulty has seen a downgrade compared to the original however most of the difficulty from FES came from the party members reliance on AI control rather than player input which is clearly shown with Persona 3 Portable, a much easier title than Reload by a large margine. True difficulty is something that tests the player who controls the outcome through skill, understanding, and knowledge of the game mechanics, what FES had was artificial difficulty built around the AI controlled party. Something that relies on chance to make its difficulty is inherently bad even if it supported the artistic vision of the original Persona 3 team. I understand they wanted to show the individuality of the party members by letting them control their own actions in combat but this creates a mess for the player. You have to remember that at the end of the day, video games are a product for people to enjoy, artistic vision is important but not at the expense of the players enjoyment, this is why every Persona game that came before and after P3 had direct player input for the party.
It's funny that you put so much emphasis on the originals vision yet your video description shows the underlying motivation behind this video and puts your entire opinion into question for anyone who looks at this. Obviously mass praise for a game doesn't automatically make it good and we'll see how things go once recency bias dissipates but when something does get a ton of praise, any video that focuses on the negative becomes incredibly popular for those who disagree with the general consensus. I don't begrudge you taking advantage of the feeding ground from both those who agree with you and those who will come to hate watch, it's smart decision business wise. However, it shows that all your looking for is views, if you wanted to just share your opinion you wouldn't have brought up that "negativity is more profitable on UA-cam", showing your hand to anyone who takes a minute to read what you've posted.
It's honestly a shame, I expected better due to how in-depth you went with Persona 1, IS, EP, and 3 but if this is the level of content I can expect from you from this point forward then you've truly fallen from your ivory tower and shown yourself to be as pathetic as Ikutsuki in his final moments.
so dramatic
@@Bunke987 Eh, not really. If I wanted to go for the dramatic I would've declared him dead to me and made some petty attacks without evidence. This was just criticizing someone I used to have a bit of respect for since he used to do a good job analysing games without attacking other people's perspective or using overly inflammatory clickbait titles to draw attention
@Bunke987 so just like the video creator too then? He's just as if not more overdramatic than this guy... 😅
But I actually agree with this guys comment so there's that.
lol calm down
actually i agree with everything except the first and last paragraph lol
It’s fine to have your opinion and all but the whole review just comes off as nitpicky and can essentially be summed up as: “Persona 3 Reload is mid because I didn’t like the way it played the way I liked it like in the original.” Or “Not my Persona 3!” The whole point of a remake is to fix things that didn’t work in the original, what is wrong with that?
I'll return to this video once I finish Reload to actually have a complete understanding of the remake. P5 was my first Persona game, but P3 FES is my favorite which I played right after beating P5. Some of the changes I understand for the remake such as aspects of Tartarus and party control. I've seen many complain about the difficulty and honestly, P3P already showed how complete party control can break the balance for P3 so I wasn't surprised though it could've been tweaked. If anything my only complaints thus far are that I wish AI control was at least a viable option and kept the complexity of the original with the different commands unlocked over time while still keeping direct control for those who want it. Also, some of the lighting could've been tweaked in several areas to be consistent with the aesthetic a bit. I like a lot of the minor additions like more interactions with male party members and SEES as a whole as I think it adds to the general characterization which is pretty important to the narrative. So having these sprinkled throughout really helps.
Sometimes, the limitations of the era can produce the visuals that best suits a game. Why do you think so many Indie games are designed to look like SNES games?
Original p3 doesnt look good lmaoooo they just did well with tone and atomsphere
@@cl0wnr732 that's what I mean, the mediocre visuals fits more than shiny HD ones
So many indie games are designed to look like SNES games for nostalgia, aesthetic preference, and/or because sprite art is easier to make for people on a small budget. I'm sure there are a few that do it for entirely artistic reasons, but they're like 10% of them at the absolute most.
@@NotGeno huh? only old gamers with immense nostalgia bias actually like mediocre visuals. I mean i liked retro games but im not so stuck up in the past that i cant appreciate good modern games with an art style that is more sleek. Nostalgia bias is strong with you
$105 DOLLARS FOR FES LOL
COMPLETE EXPERIENCE LOL
Calling this game worthless is obviously just for the clicks, your nostalgia tinted glasses are thick and this video is precisely why the dislike button should still exist
Reload is great, it's not perfect, but it's very good Remake, there is many improvement over the Original, calling it worthless will be too much honestly
I seen some video from other channel that give some very good feedback to how the game can be improved, your video is nothing but more like nitpicking and feel that you don't want the game to be succeed
Just learn from them and next time make a better video bro, or else for me you are just trying to sabotage the game for it's success
Nah, It does a lot thing things better than the original. Better gameplay, better fusion, more activities to do, you don't a ps2, ps3 or emulate in order to play it. It's not mid at all. The only issues with are just small nitpicks, except The Answer, which might come later.
Overall, this is just a worthless video in my recommendations
Mostly valid criticism but definitely extreme take calling it worthless when you base most of your critiques on the original after saying you won’t, comparisons of lighting, music, and voice actors. The game isn’t specifically for people who played p3 fes or p3p, it’s more to capitalize off of the amazing story of persona 3 while exposing it to the new audience garnered by persona 5 in a less jarring way (also no way you said remove player choice, auto party is still an option and it’s still better than the original tactics menu)
Reviews have been overwhelmingly positive from what've seen, so it's really surprising to see such a harsh take. Have to play the game for myself, but I'm waiting for a sale, can't afford full price games rn.
Somewhat refreshing since it felt like everybody else just go out of their way to not piss off a lot of people, who for the most part doesn't care that the game practically only got a visual "improvement" and not much else.
Props to Atlus for figuring out the formula of how to milk the franchise I suppose.
Play good that final fantasy rebirth still sell all of persona game that exist😂
Because fes lack of ability to control the characte characters or use all characters or need I go on was great choice in 2024 game especially after persona 5. Also some change are from portable or movie
As someone who dumped FES after the first major boss, and forgot entirely about P3P after the October 4th plotline, I was able to remain invested in a p3 game start to finish for the first time with reload
And there's something to be said about that.
Ps: if you find it too easy, play Merciless, it's practically designed for you
@@kemosonicfan123lbp As someone who played P3 OG in 2007, I was able to remain invested start to finish despite people jumping in years later to complain about Tarturus and AI party members because everyone wants every game to be the same game.
bait use to be believable, but it’s ok ❤️
"but since negativity is more profitable on UA-cam anyway, I may as well vent my honest and uncompromising grievances"
the description says it all. just a worthless clickbait video. dislike, and move on.
oh, i was just venting my honest and uncompromising grievances.
Unlike the creator your opinion is actually just the objective fact that the creator himself acknowledges
AYYEEEE GIVE US NOTHING 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Rage bait?
He cooked...ass.
As someone who enjoys reload, I actually agree with most of the points in the video. The game get updated with better looking models and new voice acting, but there are still some flaws. I also agreed that the game is too easy (I basically 1-hit Kill each phase of Nyx), and the color and lighting is odd. Some of the new music is also not good (burn my dread last battle and memories of you can’t even compare to the original). What I mostly dislike should be the directing of this game, some of the storytelling, presentation and pacing is just not good compared to the original. Well I know the new director said they would consider Reload as the ultimate version of the game, but I would say this isn’t it. Reload cannot replace FES and I would still return to playing that game. The remake always loses something great about the original.
But I think snickety can’t escape it lol. I think I saw a quite accurate insider information saying that persona 2 remake is happening? Though I am not 100% sure.
Okay I get where you are coming from with some of this, but the original Persona 3 can get so terribly boring that literally any change makes the game more fun in my opinion
This is what i get from the remake. Reload was made for people who didn't like the original or P5 fans who didn't play it because they considered it outdated.
Go watch a let play of fes and see how people judge the game😒
@@JohnDuffy-lv8fw I have played Fes and Portable like twice each and some of the Persona 3 design elements are just bafflingly bad
Extremely boring and dont get me started on the grind for that game it sucks i love the quality of life changes in the remake and if you make a mistake like missing a social level or even or something instead of having to play through 100 hours again just use the rewind feature
@@milesedgeworth2981that’s a dumb excuse💀 I rather go through nocturne on the highest difficulty than play through p3p on normal difficulty. The gameplay in 3 is definitely outdated
This video is the biggest overstatement I've ever seen.
Like, I agree with some points but not to the degree of it actually impacting how much better Reload is overall.
Nice rage bait I guess. Got a comment and a laugh out of me. This video feels like satire for clicks.
14:00 it's not just the battle system that's based on p3p. it's the entire game, a remake of p3p's male protagonist route. the cutscenes are also based on p3p's version, missing a lot of unique animations, such as akihiko visibly sleeping on the couch in p3/p3 fes on 5/4 daytime, rather than just sitting like in p3p/p3r, with the game telling you "oh he's actually asleep."
"since negativity is more profitable on UA-cam anyway" you do realize no one's gonna watch your videos after this, right? we see "bad opinion for clicks" and then that's that, you get your clicks and we write you off.
IMO the original Tartarus was very mid at best.
this VIDEO is worthless
you know, sometimes i really don't understand why people don't play games with open minds, because it seems to me like you hated the game from the very first trailer, and decided not to enjoy it when you played it, like yeah i agree with some of your points but sometimes it just feels like you're hating on a game for the sake of it, imo you shouldn't say that someone is wrong simply because they like the soundtrack. Plus if you don't like the game why not just move on from it and go play p3FES if thats the better game in your eyes instead of wasting your time and energy making a video about a worthless remake like you phrased it
I'd rather sit thru Kenjis social links than watch this
on Nyx
1k likes to 2.7k dislikes. i could tell by the title this would be a shit show but it must be bad
The ultra rare L-W at the same time, crazy.
I'm not fully against what you're saying. I think this is the best version IMO and I've been having fun, but your gripes are noticeable and fair statements.
But at least make both of 2 be playable easier please man don't curse us-
SnicketySlice I guess you like grooming Ken as femc
SnicketySlice yes which of persona games is well right now
Not win as he just 2006 in 2024 with shit choice that game had
I'm more than happy to get a re-release of the P2 duology if it means P2 (IS and EP) can be made legally accessible again.
BRO IS COOKING 🗣🗣📣📣 ITS RADIOACTIVE WASTE 🗣🗣📣📣
I can't imagine what it's like to have a channel that you grew an audience largely around a particular franchise, then put out wildly unpopular opinions on a mostly well received remake that makes it massively more accessible to a more general audience.
You didn't just shoot yourself in the foot, you blew your whole leg off.
I've played FES, I've played Portable, I've played (and dropped) Portable 'HD'. This remaster will probably be the only way i play P3 again
@@scythedd7 Pretty idiotic opinion
If lighting is an issue for you, turning down the background brightness I feel helps a lot and makes the game more interesting to look at. I like that the setting only affects specific aspects of the lighting of the game and doesnt just dim the screen😊
i think they could've just done it with the original brightness level, but the game does look 10x better with the brightness lowered
Not to mention that there'll be mods that'll make the game look a bit more gritty.
Can't wait for the full release of Memories Of Getting Head
I'm putting it on the second channel pretty soon lol
Yeah it's absolutely amazing
I think it's odd how this got remade and released a year after we got the ports. I actually had to check the release date because I was thinking "Wait, didn't we just get P3?" It released in January of 2023. So, why port a game then release a remake so close together?
As for the changes, it was going to be nearly impossible to please everyone. Persona has evolved from title to title and even between them with re-releases. The quirks are what make people love and hate them. Like how in 3, if you used a Ma skill, you needed to knock down all enemies to get that extra turn. If you missed, then tough luck. Also, the Ma skill had a lower accuracy. That was the point of using them, risk missing in exchange for hitting everyone with a lower MP cost than it would to just use the spell on each enemy individually.
I guess the only way to change things would be to incorporate those elements into the harder difficulties. Which, I would support. I think too often difficulty just changes dmg calculations. You do less, they do more. That's boring because more often, it just leads to a fight lasting longer with no real change in strategy, other than you healing more often, which isn't even a change in strategy because "heal when at low hp" is still the same plan.
Had to give the female mc fans something
I'm hard pressed to disagree with much of any of the points in this video as a P3R fan, other than the music and potentially(?) alluding to being in favor of cpu controlled party members for added challenge. The artistic alterations in particular really do make a noticable difference in mood/feel for a lot of what's under the hood with Persona 3's thematic/allegoric/symbolic value and its a real shame since that is arguably the most valuable part of the game. I really truly believe there is a lot of beautiful and profound artistic merit in Persona 3, SnicketySlice's video essays are a testament to that. That is how I found this channel, along with *so* much newfound appreciation for P3 and some of the game's elements I always found compelling at a more surface level or never even looked twice at. This is all to also say, some of those highlights in the review here like Nyx and the dorm were something of an eye opener for me seeing the difference laid out, the kind of monkey paw consequences you would expect from overhauling a beloved game and it's a total shame. I'm almost convinced myself to recommend the original over reload.
My original experience with P3 was playing FES once in high school, and I considered that to be a pretty formative experience. Truthfully though, for a lot of years I'd always been of the mind that if I were to ever revisit Persona 3, it absolutely would need a remake. Taking the steps P3P did with full party control and tartarus checkpoints, but without the PSP limitations of no real overworld. Then I would fantasize about a modern realized version of P3, akin to the P5 engine graphically rendered third person environments, gameplay mechanics, and over the top flash and flare. I can't imagine it was the most original fantasy out there, given it's basically the exact mission statement of Reload.
I see Reload successful as wish fulfillment for newer gen fans and as a more QoL; modernly sensible, palatable experience to sell potential newcomers on. These are extremely important features to have for a harrowingly large RPG and ultimately I think P3R ia worthwhile on that principle alone as a video game, even if it comes with some smears on the craftwork. P3R is not a gutted game lost to the extent of all important or beautiful things P3 had always had to say, and while of course ideally it should tell it all in the full contained package as it initially intended to (or once did), I can also imagine those newcomers with curious eyes having enough in P3R to still leave compelled enough to go deep dive as many of us did when we got here.
I respect ur opinion even though I do not agree with it, I personally loved it so much. I'm sad you couldn't feel the same way though :(
Don't worry. His opinion is a minority one. Thankfully the game sold better than the original and has very high steam reviews. Don't let this fanboys nostalgia bias bring you down.
I know, I'm loving this version ❤❤
@@frogglen6350 More people gaming today, and a far lower bar for quality...so yes it sold better than the original, also the sky is blue. Does this mean the game is better than the original? No 100% no. Reloaded has its benefits, but as a whole it can't even hold a candle. P3R has lost its soul it may as well be the game incarnate version of apathy syndrome.
@@patriot639omg you people are soo miserable 😭
@@15shuake we are it's true. That's what happen when one sees their society decay around them. When ones has known quality and see everything that was once good get remade into something lesser.
There is so much I don’t understand about why you hate this game. I mean, mostly I don’t understand why you’re bothering to make a review in the first place. You obviously decided you weren’t going to like it before you played it. Combining that with stating your opinion as fact, doesn’t help your case either. You don’t have to like the game, you can say whatever about it. But telling people the new remixes of the music are just bad and their opinion is wrong because you don’t agree is the height of a poor review.
The game isn’t perfect, but neither was the original. It did breathe the new life into the persona series, but that’s about it. Also, I played the remake and didn’t notice any compression that you’re complaining about. Perhaps it’s something you are personally sensitive to, but everything looked clean to me.
And why bother commenting on the new English cast if you didn’t even listen to them? Was it just a point out that you’re a sub elitist or something? No one cares what language you play a game in. And if they do, they have way too much time on their hands.
As far as your complaints about the battle system goes, what are you playing on normal? I started the game on hard, and had to really work to win sometimes. Also, if you want that, authentic AI controlled partners… just turn it on. It’s literally a feature in the game you can turn on. I get that you’re a P3 purist, but come on… AI control party members always sucked. and if you didn’t think so, you could leave it on. But I’m guessing you didn’t realize that, or you’re purposefully omitting it to make the game look worse.
And dude, your painting analogy for why the original game is better doesn’t hold up. People’s opinions of art change over time, it’s a sad fact of reality you need to accept. This game is great for a modern audience, but not a purist who feels the original game is somehow sullied by a remake. It’s funny how you mentioned you weren’t doing a BS IGN review, but that is in fact exactly what you’ve done. Just disliking the game instead of praising it.
At the very least, this review was good for a laugh. I would advise you to show a bit more humility in your reviews. If you’re going to state your opinion, as fact, be sure to provide evidence other than “it’s not like the original”.
This is exactly how I felt watching this vid too 😬
You assume I went in to hate it (I didn't) and that I'm stating my opinion as fact (I'm not). It's an opinion presented in a video format. What, you want me to say "imo" at the end of every sentence? I don't know why I should read any more if you're just going to mischaracterize me.
"It’s funny how you mentioned you weren’t doing a BS IGN review, but that is in fact exactly what you’ve done. Just disliking the game instead of praising it"
Stupidest shit I've read in my whole life. Care to explain this piece of crap to me? IGN don't "praise" (omegalul) AAA games, they "just dislike them"? Is your moral obligation to "praise" games instead of "just disliking them"? a critic/review is objective as long as you "praise" the game instead of the forbidden "disliking it"? please really just TRY explain this garbo.
@@SnicketySlice I took the time to watch your 16 minute video and you can’t take less than a minute to read my comments on it?
There are certain ways to state your opinion to imply that it is purely your opinion. Not to mention in all your criticisms, you didn’t put forth an argument on how the game could’ve been better, just what it did wrong. Also, if you’re offended by a “mischaracterization“, then I would recommend growing thicker skin. There are a lot of reviewer’s that I don’t agree with, in fact, I think their arguments are absurd. But I still have respect for them because rather than just complaining about what a game isn’t, they offered ideas on how the game could’ve been better from their perspective.
You should also be prepared for the fact that people will readily disagree with you, and that your opinion is not infallible. I said you went into this game already, deciding not to like it, because your attitude toward it compared to the original gives that impression.
And as far as stating your opinion as fact, you said flat out with no sarcasm or joke, that anyone who prefers the remix music is wrong. You didn’t explain why the original was better or why the new music is bad, just that if you like it, you are wrong. That is stating your opinion as a fact.
I'm really tired of this lie that the fandom loves to perpetuate that Persona games after 3 have the same AI party members system.
It does not, P3FES had 9 tactics for almost all party members, 10 for Aigis and 3 exclusive to Fuuka. Ever since 4 we have 5 tactics and one of them is direct commands. Saying that you can just "turn on the AI party control" is dishonest.
The biggest problem I have with Reload is that it's suppose to be the definitive version of Persona 3 and it isn't. The Answer is dlc for $35 and the remake costs $70 thats ridiculous. It should have been in the base game. The way they handled the femc situation wasn't great. I understand it would have cost alot of time and money to have her route but they just did nothing. It would have been cool to have her as a super boss with Theo in the expansion pass instead of background music and the one costume set. I don't know why they still have the tactics option if they aren't going to make it worth using. The ai won't ever shift and on heal/support they wont use buffs or debuffs. I wouldn't say the remake is completely worthless but they could have done better on some things.
Lesson learned, never let bro cook again.
I agree about Koromaru's voice, the sees outfit cutscene, and not bringing back all the fusion spells, other than that, this game is amazing
yeah i was upset about the fusion spells
The outfits slap get outta here
Never let bro cook again, I prefer the original and still couldn't understand what bro was yapping about 😭
bro is not cooking
Ah yes. The rage bait
Bro burnt down the entire neighborhood, never cook again.
if this is the 15 minutes of fame you want, i can respect it
The wannabe contrarians in the comments in agreement are arguably worse than the people being unrationally awful to an albeit heavily skewed negative review.
The equivalent of the "Stop Having Fun" Meme if you will.
Reload is good but original music was much better
The music is damn near identical except for the smallest changes in pitches in certain parts.
@@hayasherWrong.
@@hayasheri agree
much better is an interesting take but vanilla p3 is the foundation. p3re isnt necessarily better imo but is definitely interchangeable with vanilla’s soundtrack (in which they did literally)
Bro just ruined his whole career with this awful take.
By calling this game worthless, you're invalidating thousands of people's experiences with it on a whim. And you do this while entirely undermining the core message of Persona 3.
"You don't have to save the world to find meaning in life... sometimes, all you need is something simple, like someone to take care of."
The way you talk about this game is like you're expecting it to "save the world", to "move mountains". It doesn't have to be a revolutionary technological wonder which breaks through all the limitations of the first game and only ever improves it. This game has helped a whole new crowd of people find enjoyment in the Persona series and reignited the love for it in others. It refreshed the story and overhauled the graphics just enough for new and old fans to enjoy it and heed it's message. Even if this game only touched me on such a deep level, and only me. This game wouldn't be worthless.
Disliking a game isn't a sin. People have opinions. But here, you frame your negative opinions of the game as if they're objective flaws. It's very immature.
Lol you are a goober
Shoutouts to Artificial Dream in Arcadia for making a brief appearance. I love that game to bits despite never having played an SMT game and only having barebones knowledge of Touhou.
It's very similar to old MT and SMT style dungeon crawlers. If you want more I would highly recommend trying them out.
Yeah I prefer all the older P3 games over Reload, even with their flaws. I’ll be playing Royal after my second playthrough of Golden. Still not in any rush of playing Reload anytime soon since I find it disappointing.
I'll admit I am part of the crowd that wasn't a fan of the AI controlled party members from the original/FES, though humorously it did make Koromaru and Aigis my best party member as they did all the smart moves compared to the others even with the correct "battle commands", but I was 100% happy with Tartarus original/FES set up even if it was silly for what it generated for a floor. so I get ya on that, I think it would have been smarter if the floors you have explored only changed when you went to the first floor lobby instead of leaving Tartarus for the day. I will say though I very much love the aesthetic expanded choices they added as it does help sell tartarus's anomaly feel
the fact that there IS a mute choice makes me wonder why it wasn't used from the start and make the one off places like the Hot Springs and Beach, time will tell if either they patch so the colors are a better fit or fan mods.
I will need to play through and watch my friend's stream to fully form my own opinions but so far I do agree with the balancing and 80% of the music
I dont think its a worthless remake and it does have its merit but i agree with a lot of the criticisms you have. Also side note you actually can leave tartarus at anytime it requires fuuka to level up and requires you to go into her skillset which is a seperate key to access and the game does not make it clear so i dont blame you for not knowing. It also requires sp to use.
The comments explain a lot about the state of Persona fans
i haven't played P3R yet, but one thing i wanted to point out. if you are going to go all out and label anyone who like something so subjective as music. you better prepare an analysis backed by music theory to make sure it is as objective as possible to called it bad.
Crowbcat has a side channel to release even shittier takes? Wow
Crowbcat has a point, I dont know why you have to bring him up? Now that most people are out of their honeymoon phase, more and more people realize that the RE4 remake is not as good as the original in many areas.
@@nikitos3558 the original was only good because of how new it was. Obviously the innovation cannot be replicated. The remake stayed faithful to the original in its mechanics, being an improvement on pretty much everything. It did the job of being a good remake. What you want is an event, not a game.