It's literally never been built before in the United States, and yet Republicans continue to try to kneecap it. Remember, they are the same ones who forced the removal of light rail in inner-city metros and funded only car-oriented urban planning in L.A., which has bottlenecked progress and innovation. $100B is roughly the cost of Japan's first high-speed rail line yet we never talk about how expensive it was to build, only the benefits of it now that it exists. They have the money for war but can't invest in world-class public infrastructure.
@@tonyburzio4107Literally untrue, the Shinkansen system went about twice over budget if I remember correctly, yet the Shinkansen is touted as one of, if not the best rail system in the world, which is why I still have hope for Cali HSR; not very much mind you, but hope nonetheless.
Republicans are the same ones that complain how expensive universal healthcare is when they won’t even say a damn word about spending Trillions and Quadrillions on the Military Defense Contract which is also responsible for the invasions of countries that did not attack us which is why the Iraq war made it the final straw for me and that final straw turned my back on the entire GOP.
While CAHSR is super overpriced without a doubt, a huge part of it is unnecessary opposition who would rather see taxpayer money and this project go down in fire. It's the same thing everywhere in America unfortunately. Near my home the Maryland Purple Line has seen massive cost increases due to stupid lawsuits over every imaginable thing (including some random shrimps)
this is an important aspect that is completely ignored by all the media coverage of this project. We lost an entire decade with no progress whatsoever on account of having to deal with numerous bad-faith lawsuits that got started as soon as the measure to build CAHSR passed, for the sole purpose of causing delays and cost overruns that they could then turn around and use as an argument to shut the whole project down altogether.
@@dwc1964 The private sector has to deal with exactly the same thing, because EVERY project has interest groups oppose it. But the private sector anticipates these problems and allows for the impact on its budgets and timings. The government in this case misled the voting public by pretending that this was just going to sail through despite thousands of individuals and businesses being affected. The actual course of events is what was ALWAYS going to have happened.
No, they had to find a way to get the people out of their way . They couldn't continue because people wouldn't sell their land to them and it was in the line of their plans . Now I guess they don't have to worry because the fire took care of those people standing in their way , now they'll get the land even cheaper. Coincidence I think not especially after people seeing lasers come out of the sky setting fires just like Maui.
The high speed rail from nowhere to nowhere was suggested many MANY years ago, now celebrating 20 miles stretch and everybody applauded, really? I was excited when it was first introduced because I cared for easy and comfortable trip to Las Vegas, now not sure much and the rail is nowhere close to my area anyway.
In a state where most people drive, the California government doesn't need to waste billions on this high speed rail project. A lot of people in California are turning against the "Progressives" that wanted this money pit, grift-laden project to begin with.
@roadrunneradventuresmx3053 No, it's the future. His statement doesn't imply NO CARS. It implies we don't have to be completely dependent on cars. It's about having alternate modes of efficient transit besides cars and planes.
It’s in the middle of the state, it’s a requirement to connect the whole state to reach LA to San fransisco, including all in between, why is that a bad thing?
The train was sold to voters on the basis that it would carry 48m passengers a year. Every updated business plan has pulled that figure back, and the latest estimate from the authority has reduced it to 28m a year. By the time the first phase opens imagine how low the forecasts will have fallen. An expensive indulgence that appeals to a small but noisy part of the population is not "prioritizing the people".
If this project was being done in any other country, it would have costed less, and been in operation 2 years after it started, this has been going on for 10 years and over budget.
Yeah, they took over building the Toyota Tacoma (and the Tundra, too) and just look at the results! These new Toyota's were built by Mexicans and it shows!
The photo of the wooden ties represents their estimation of people's intelligence, so it's just news-cum propog-ganda! He needs fires and railways to fund their ki.ddy-fid.dling enterprises and their life abroad when they flee the country.
California has money for this, but had no water in their fire hydrants as Malbu and the Palisades burned to the ground, Luxury over actual needed utilities.
@deviljin22 People claim that Newsom is incompetent, but they never say how or give examples. They simply pontificate. There are tons of actual examples of what the convicted felon has done, including legal briefs and rulings against the convicted felon. As recently as today. California remains the most populated state in the USA. California has the largest economy by far of any state. There were many years with multi-billion dollars of budget surpluses. The most recent state budget has no deficit. The governor isn't responsible for everything that happens in a state either, but many people seem to think he is.
From Merced to Sacramento is all flat land and easier to do. It should be the next phase instead of those monstrous tunnels. These tunnels can be done later when funds are available.
"major progress" tell me you don't know how to do any research that doesn't align with your political parties beliefs without telling me. Headline is a joke.
Just like that simpson prediction, where a new rail system gets installed, one person made sure that more deaths would occur while riding the rail system. And that person would runaway/fled to another country with all the cash revenue made.
Only 12 billion will have been spent on this initial funded segment. However, on a cost per mile basis this CA HSR segment is coming in at nearly 5 times the average cost per mile of building HSR on flat level rural terrain in Europe.
$120 billion is the projected final cost, not what has been spent to date, which is just a small fraction. Imagine what could have been done with the trillion dollars we spent on wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. BTW, the US has spent $13 billion for constructing the USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier....one ship!
I understand your railroad knowledge comes from Thomas the Tank Engine but typically, if you want a functional track, you need to have a foundation for it, like embankments, berms and bridges.
It runs through Fresno. Fresno has a greater population than the largest city in most of these United States. You certainly don't have a very high opinion of most of this country.
So you prefer everyone to have a car, which is going to generate more pollution unless everyone goes electric? You mind as well have an owl fly around saying, “Polute! Who gives a hoot?”
Caltrans spends more on freeways in a year than the total spent across the entire HSR project so far. More lanes makes traffic worse, and expanding airports won’t make air travel easier, and both would cost more than HSR in the long run with fewer benefits.
Freeways make immense amounts of money from the freight that moves across the roads, which as the same for truck and car. Freight trains also make lots of money for the government for the same reason. Passenger trains, however, do not use the same tracks as freight trains, so they return nothing to the government in taxes.
Its not a waste it will literally do nothing but good for the state. Its taking this long because of underfunding and political mumbo jumbo as well as land acquisition
@@tonyburzio4107 Wrong. This project started this terrible mismanaged project planning in 1997. This project was funded in 2008 as "shovel ready" (the only thing "shovel ready" was the manure they spread to get the first share of Federal share of funding). This fiasco actually began "construction" in 2015, in dribbles and drabs, at greatly inflated costs, because the planning had been so awful and things like ROW had not even been acquired. This project is costing, on this level flat rural segment, nearly 5 times the cost per mile as in Europe. It is a contractor/politician driven taxpayer funded gold plated fiasco. And I support rail passenger and high speed, but not wholesale waste and incompetence that is the hallmark of this fiasco. This is a cheap PR stunt by Newsone and the panel track with wooden ties will never be used by any HST train. This project needs major reforms in planning, cost benefit, and contracting practices.
So you prefer everyone should solely rely on cars that produce a lot more emissions than high speed trains? On top of that highway traffic would be a lot worse, if more cars are on the road, as well as accidents or construction. You mind as well have an owl that flies around with you saying, “Pollute! Who gives a hoot?”
It's literally never been built before in the United States, and yet Republicans continue to try to kneecap it. Remember, they are the same ones who forced the removal of light rail in inner-city metros and funded only car-oriented urban planning in L.A., which has bottlenecked progress and innovation. $100B is roughly the cost of Japan's first high-speed rail line yet we never talk about how expensive it was to build, only the benefits of it now that it exists. They have the money for war but can't invest in world-class public infrastructure.
Japan built their train to budget and on time.
It has been built in the U.S. (the Acela) and it was a massive success.
@@tonyburzio4107Literally untrue, the Shinkansen system went about twice over budget if I remember correctly, yet the Shinkansen is touted as one of, if not the best rail system in the world, which is why I still have hope for Cali HSR; not very much mind you, but hope nonetheless.
@@tonyburzio4107 they dont even have their current funding needs met for phase 1
Republicans are the same ones that complain how expensive universal healthcare is when they won’t even say a damn word about spending Trillions and Quadrillions on the Military Defense Contract which is also responsible for the invasions of countries that did not attack us which is why the Iraq war made it the final straw for me and that final straw turned my back on the entire GOP.
While CAHSR is super overpriced without a doubt, a huge part of it is unnecessary opposition who would rather see taxpayer money and this project go down in fire. It's the same thing everywhere in America unfortunately. Near my home the Maryland Purple Line has seen massive cost increases due to stupid lawsuits over every imaginable thing (including some random shrimps)
this is an important aspect that is completely ignored by all the media coverage of this project.
We lost an entire decade with no progress whatsoever on account of having to deal with numerous bad-faith lawsuits that got started as soon as the measure to build CAHSR passed, for the sole purpose of causing delays and cost overruns that they could then turn around and use as an argument to shut the whole project down altogether.
@@dwc1964 The private sector has to deal with exactly the same thing, because EVERY project has interest groups oppose it. But the private sector anticipates these problems and allows for the impact on its budgets and timings. The government in this case misled the voting public by pretending that this was just going to sail through despite thousands of individuals and businesses being affected. The actual course of events is what was ALWAYS going to have happened.
Is this project not completed yet? They started this when I was a kid 🤨
Gotta pay off that yacht somehow if you know what I mean
Various Billionaires have done several things to try and halt the development of it the entire time and have been successful.
@@conanthelibrarian5139 name them
No, they had to find a way to get the people out of their way . They couldn't continue because people wouldn't sell their land to them and it was in the line of their plans . Now I guess they don't have to worry because the fire took care of those people standing in their way , now they'll get the land even cheaper. Coincidence I think not especially after people seeing lasers come out of the sky setting fires just like Maui.
@@conanthelibrarian5139 Including the Bidens
The high speed rail from nowhere to nowhere was suggested many MANY years ago, now celebrating 20 miles stretch and everybody applauded, really? I was excited when it was first introduced because I cared for easy and comfortable trip to Las Vegas, now not sure much and the rail is nowhere close to my area anyway.
Laying track is a significant step to this project! Starting off the New Year right with more progress!
In a state where most people drive, the California government doesn't need to waste billions on this high speed rail project. A lot of people in California are turning against the "Progressives" that wanted this money pit, grift-laden project to begin with.
Its time for Car Dependant America to END!
Quite the ignorant statement
@roadrunneradventuresmx3053 No, it's the future. His statement doesn't imply NO CARS. It implies we don't have to be completely dependent on cars. It's about having alternate modes of efficient transit besides cars and planes.
@@mrxman581 yeah sure bud. Your shallow thinking is showing
I prefer driving and don't want to use public transit.
@@roadrunneradventuresmx3053 Hahaha... your ignorance is breathtaking.
Hey the states burning down, were 40 billion in debt but hey you can take a train from Bakersfield to Merced.
that wooden track not gonna work for fast high speed train lol
wooden??
Of course we need this high speed rail. Can’t wait to see more and more progress
But no wild brush control, LA burn down . Thanks Gavin
So having a High-Speed Rail line connecting to other cities filled with people is not prioritizing it's people? That makes sense
It’s in the middle of the state, it’s a requirement to connect the whole state to reach LA to San fransisco, including all in between, why is that a bad thing?
The train was sold to voters on the basis that it would carry 48m passengers a year. Every updated business plan has pulled that figure back, and the latest estimate from the authority has reduced it to 28m a year. By the time the first phase opens imagine how low the forecasts will have fallen. An expensive indulgence that appeals to a small but noisy part of the population is not "prioritizing the people".
Traffic in this state is a kicker. We need that toy trainset today!
I guess when you allow EVERY illegal immigrant into town the roads fill up quickly
@@lisaspencer7776 So do the freeways.
@@lisaspencer7776Golly, we're blaming the immigrants for this too?
@@lisaspencer7776dude, @MrJuvefrank said nothing about immigrants
It's great to see the progress on this seminal transit infrastructure project.
If this project was being done in any other country, it would have costed less, and been in operation 2 years after it started, this has been going on for 10 years and over budget.
Laughable ! This phoney project needs to be shut down !
Is this why you burnt out all of the homes that were in the way of building your railway??
Oh no, it's far worse than that, and I mean ther reasons for the fires. The railway is just the money laundering part for News-cum and his cronies.
The neighborhoods involved in the fire in LA are no where near the planned track
@User28541 Eventually...
@@patrickh619 Last time I checked, the tracks go nowhere near the affected areas
Let Mexican immigrants build it in 3 years
Won’t matter if you don’t have the funding to pay them
Yeah, they took over building the Toyota Tacoma (and the Tundra, too) and just look at the results! These new Toyota's were built by Mexicans and it shows!
Now you have neighborhoods to rebuild. Epic failed state. Look at the debt
Are they seriously going to use wooden rail ties for this high speed rail? I'm hoping they use concrete.
The photo of the wooden ties represents their estimation of people's intelligence, so it's just news-cum propog-ganda! He needs fires and railways to fund their ki.ddy-fid.dling enterprises and their life abroad when they flee the country.
Well bravo gavin way to go I guess
All aboard the "Ceres to Bakersfield high speed rail!
California has money for this, but had no water in their fire hydrants as Malbu and the Palisades burned to the ground, Luxury over actual needed utilities.
!!! When she’s built ill be down south all the time ☮️
I would like to see major progress on Newsom leaving office.
Hear, hear.
I want to see major progress in the convicted felon leave the White House.
@@mrxman581not saying you are wrong but same logic of incompetence can be layered around newsom as well. I hate peoples that can’t see it both ways
@deviljin22 People claim that Newsom is incompetent, but they never say how or give examples. They simply pontificate. There are tons of actual examples of what the convicted felon has done, including legal briefs and rulings against the convicted felon. As recently as today.
California remains the most populated state in the USA. California has the largest economy by far of any state. There were many years with multi-billion dollars of budget surpluses. The most recent state budget has no deficit.
The governor isn't responsible for everything that happens in a state either, but many people seem to think he is.
But they have not layed the track yet.
From Merced to Sacramento is all flat land and easier to do. It should be the next phase instead of those monstrous tunnels. These tunnels can be done later when funds are available.
"major progress" tell me you don't know how to do any research that doesn't align with your political parties beliefs without telling me. Headline is a joke.
Just like that simpson prediction, where a new rail system gets installed, one person made sure that more deaths would occur while riding the rail system. And that person would runaway/fled to another country with all the cash revenue made.
This dude swears he’s top gun
projecting
Hail Newsom...?
Indeed
Tell us where the $120B went. The tax payers would like an audit.
Only 12 billion will have been spent on this initial funded segment. However, on a cost per mile basis this CA HSR segment is coming in at nearly 5 times the average cost per mile of building HSR on flat level rural terrain in Europe.
You wouldn't understand an audit even if you got one lol.
@@WhiskeyAfterHours I’m sure they could explain it to Americans with 5th grade educations
What 120B?
$120 billion is the projected final cost, not what has been spent to date, which is just a small fraction. Imagine what could have been done with the trillion dollars we spent on wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. BTW, the US has spent $13 billion for constructing the USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier....one ship!
22 mile stretch of dirt path. NO TRACK!
And? Track is the last step
I understand your railroad knowledge comes from Thomas the Tank Engine but typically, if you want a functional track, you need to have a foundation for it, like embankments, berms and bridges.
Promises, promises. He’s a liar. No more tax money for this train to nowhere.
It runs through Fresno. Fresno has a greater population than the largest city in most of these United States. You certainly don't have a very high opinion of most of this country.
So you prefer everyone to have a car, which is going to generate more pollution unless everyone goes electric? You mind as well have an owl fly around saying, “Polute! Who gives a hoot?”
@ good luck on the train. Hope you enjoy the ride.
@@Harc-j5k I sure will enjoy the ride, baby!
@@danielcarroll3358 Nobody wants to go to Fresno fast is the real problem .
Bloody Boondoggle! Waste of resources is frustrating.
Yes. Endless tax cuts for the rich=good. Spending on infrastructure for the public benefit=bad.
Robbery never ends.
huge waste of tax dollars.
Caltrans spends more on freeways in a year than the total spent across the entire HSR project so far. More lanes makes traffic worse, and expanding airports won’t make air travel easier, and both would cost more than HSR in the long run with fewer benefits.
lol would you rather them add more lanes which will only lead to more traffic?
@@kodak29 and in many places there is no space to add more lanes.
Freeways make immense amounts of money from the freight that moves across the roads, which as the same for truck and car. Freight trains also make lots of money for the government for the same reason. Passenger trains, however, do not use the same tracks as freight trains, so they return nothing to the government in taxes.
@@tonyburzio4107
Freeways do not make money at all. There is no toll on them (hence free)
Bruh this project has been under construction since 2008 A huge waste of tax payers dollars.
2015
It was passed in 2008, and took until 2015 to plan.
Its not a waste it will literally do nothing but good for the state. Its taking this long because of underfunding and political mumbo jumbo as well as land acquisition
So has the construction on the highway near me, but y'all don't talk about that.
@@tonyburzio4107 Wrong. This project started this terrible mismanaged project planning in 1997. This project was funded in 2008 as "shovel ready" (the only thing "shovel ready" was the manure they spread to get the first share of Federal share of funding). This fiasco actually began "construction" in 2015, in dribbles and drabs, at greatly inflated costs, because the planning had been so awful and things like ROW had not even been acquired. This project is costing, on this level flat rural segment, nearly 5 times the cost per mile as in Europe. It is a contractor/politician driven taxpayer funded gold plated fiasco. And I support rail passenger and high speed, but not wholesale waste and incompetence that is the hallmark of this fiasco. This is a cheap PR stunt by Newsone and the panel track with wooden ties will never be used by any HST train. This project needs major reforms in planning, cost benefit, and contracting practices.
Waste of money. All the idiots who think this will be completed anytime soon, keep dreaming
So you prefer everyone should solely rely on cars that produce a lot more emissions than high speed trains? On top of that highway traffic would be a lot worse, if more cars are on the road, as well as accidents or construction. You mind as well have an owl that flies around with you saying, “Pollute! Who gives a hoot?”
@@chooch1764 Ride a bicycle, that's what I do.
@@diamonddiet Trains are faster than a bicycle. You know that…
@@chooch1764 I'm willing to be inconvenienced a little for the sake of the planet.
@@chooch1764 "emissions" lol.
i helped build it