The thing is that Greece didn't even exist as a united political entity,yeah there were some hegemonic states like Thebes,Athens who managed to spread their power and influence over some parts of modern greece but back then there wasn't united greece. In fact there was not greece at all because they called themselves Hellenes,and btw modern greek also call themselves Hellenes so they can express themselves as the successor of anicent Hellas which can't happen in any way however
There is a new-ish mode for AC Odyssey called "Discovery" and it is just one huge history lesson. Definitely worth checking imo.I missed out on so much on my initial playthrough , you can appreciate so much more about the game with it.
The greeks were notorious for their infighting. Internal conflicts and civil wars up until moden times. Fortunatly Athens was spared the fate of being burned to the ground and its citizens enslaved when they lost the war. The Spartan King refused several demands to do so (which was common) from allied city states. History would have looked very different if the greek city states would have learned to work together.
@@contemporarymale While you speak truth, some united under fear, others under conquer. Remember what Alexander did to those arrogant Thebans and their city??? Also spartans did not. And they lost the glory.
This is how Xenophon, an Athenian historian and pupil of Socrates, describes the moments when the news of the devastating defeat at Aigos Rivers (i.e. the final naval battle described in the video) reached Athens: "...a sound of wailing ran from Piraeus through the long walls to the city, one man passing on the news to another; and during that night no one slept, all mourning, not for the lost alone, but far more for their own selves".
@@dompdompdomp who cares if the game is 100 % accurate?? Why do you think we are taking the time to learn the ACTUAL history? If it wasn't for AC games i wouldn't know or give 2 shits about Egypt or the Peloponnesian wars. At least we are taking the time to learn the difference between what's real and what's a game.
Roman military strategy and tactics were better than the Phalanx. The Phalanx was good, but was very inflexible when it came to terrain or a shift in the battle line.
“For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretenses- either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed; and in return we hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you did not join the Lacedaemonians, although their colonists, or that you have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments of us both; since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.” ― Thucydides The History of the Peloponnesian War Melian Dialogue
Cosmic Drew AC has that effect. Love the series. Even the worst entries are educational as long as you understand many minor details are twisted to fit the templar/assassin narrative.
Ya what are you talking about real history. Assassins creed have historians and the like helping them. Also have to remember like buddy said they twist certain things to fit the in game story.
Just came to check whether the Plague in Assassin's creed Odyssey ~ happened coz of my decision errors lol to my surprise ~ It was history who did it XD _Damn tht Phoibe scene hit me hard_ Malaka
A pretty accurate account of what happened! My suggestion is more emphasis should had been given to the three naval battles won by the Athenians after Alkiviades came back to Athens. Another suggestion would be to pronounce the Greek names properly because the English pronunciation is confusing. A Greek native speaker could be very helpfull!
becaues the men that ran away from greece made rome , they hated greece but their kids loved their romanticism of greece just like today. They end up reverting just like today
Thats wrong the greek Hegemony just started with this victory of Sparta over Athen, since one of the allies of Sparta who has risen to power during the war was the small greek Kingdom of Macedonia in the north.
@@denniseggert211 Macedonia wasn't small Philip just inherited poorly trained infantry but their cavalry was already famed and they could field respectable forces, Greek Kingdoms were just looked down on. The Peloponnesian wars led to the end of Athens and Sparta as powers as chaos reigned over Greece for a long time, Thebes took down Sparta and Macedon swooped in to take advantage.
Raymond Gordon Sparta saved the Greek and the free world from Persia at Thermopylae tho if it wasn’t for Sparta the world would look very different than it is now
Very awesome video! Loved the detail and the pictures that went along with the stories! The only suggestion I was have is to leave out the chapter changes, they happened kind of abruptly. Overall, still a very very awesome video and definitely worth a subscribe!
I remember one story where Sparta asked for help. Athens sent 4,000 troops to help. When the athenians arrived, the spartans told them to go home. I think that is one of the ultimate insult... @_@
The Spartans surely must have realised that Persia was playing all of the Greeks and wanted to keep Greece in a perpetual state of weakness and conflict by paying to support their battered fleet. This is a textbook example of divide and conquer from Persia, if you are a great foreign power and you want to conquer a foreign territory that is in a state of war, you support the weaker side, now the Spartans were traditionally very strong on land but terrible at sea, so the Persians realised that once Sparta crushed Athens at sea, they would only have to deal with smaller powers like Chios, Mytilene, Corsera, Rhodes and Corinth to gain dominance in the Aegean Sea. The Spartans played themselves because within 30 years of their victory over Athens their land army would be eventually defeated by their former allies the Thebans, the Thebans would in turn be defeated by the Macedonians 10 years after the Spartan defeat at Leuctria( 371 b.c).
In 394 BC with the Persian naval victory over the Spartan (allied to Egypt) fleet at Cnidius permitted setting up a fortified base at Kythera off the Peloponnesus and raiding the Spartan homeland at will. Thus Persia broke the Spartans ending the Peloponnesian War with a Persian victory and control of the Aegean.
I really enjoyed the video. By any chance is it possible that I could get the links to your information? I'm working on a research paper pertaining to the War. Thank you again for the great video.
See you in History / Mythology - I really like your content but glancing the timeframe of the video puts me off as I'm unable to keep up throughout . Is it possible for you to consider splitting the cake into chunks . As in four 6-minute video compartments instead of one long stretch.
Another amazing video from See you in History! I actually recently uploaded my own summary video of the Athens vs Sparta conflict causes in 4 minutes if anyone wants the spark notes version haha!
You are wrong. That colonies are just for trading with locals in exchange for theyr citys and not for land agricultural gross uses. In exchange the Egipt it was an agricultural by default due to that excelent pozition. Belive me, I'm from Romania where it was 3 major greek colonies at the Black Sea: Tomis, Histria and Callatis. Your welcome.
@Tomas Juarez The story about the 300 Spartans for example is for a big part a fabricated story by the Spartan propaganda machine.The truth is that they weren''t as glorious according to actual history. Maybe that's why some think that this war is mythical as well?
@@2009heyhow werent as glorious according to actual history?? You found some evidence no one else knows about? Nobody thinks either the battle of thermapolae or the peloponnesian war were mythical.
@@elguerojusticiero they are not mythical. It's just that things were not like in that movie 300. For some reaseon a lot of people think that movie is exactly how it happened
Universum The mass armies that the Persian came with was accurate even with the Immortals. The 300 Spartans is a debate since some allies did join them but later Leonidas told them to leave. The movie was overall pretty accurate but just not with all that fked costumes the Persians wears and all them animals
Too much hubris/ego and selfishness. Pay your taxes, stop listening to uneducated racist elders and be useful in the now whilst appreciating your past. It’s what all white Europeans are facing right now.
Well Spartans end up being better at military technique and even diplomacy,I mean it takes a man to go to immortal Persians and call for aid.It shows the Spartans were not the absolute military regime with no working brain,they were defeated by Persians in past and they did also defeat Persians but still they have the RESPECT and HONOR for their Persian counterparts.Sparta recognize them as the Brave men just like them, and I am pretty sure Persians took advantage of the situation and were ready to make moves in Asia minor and annihilate the greek colonies but the sparta knows,they will win instead they turn them against the Athens.
Nothing could stop athens in Greece if it wasn't for Persian help. Spartans knew that and acted out of need. I hate to say it as a Greek, but Persia was the only one to play others in that war
@@markellospatras3039 You don't have to hate to say it Persia and Greece were both proud nations with Persians better of the 2 cuz they appear again and again in history and even have tendency to stand up to whole might of Roman empire. Its not your fault nobody will tell you that Persian and Greek were pretty good trade partners and even Alexander have respect for Persian "Cyrus the Great" and when conquered the area.....he visited his tomb as pilgrimage the Tomb was looted by Greek Hoplites. He was very angry and killed Greek criminals and repaired the tomb which include at-least 2 ton old Gold sarcophagus lid and very rare gems....he paid for everything and still to this day.The one of the greatest Persian cultural heritage site Naqsh-e Rostam have Alexander seal on it testament to old times and REALITY..when we use to respect eachother BUT then times changed and Greeks turned whole tail of 300 in to propaganda. I am not saying he didn't damaged a lot of historical sites but even he respected us like we respect Greek. The Spartans were not idiots they knew very well their forces are no match for Persian ground forces in Asia minor and Asia minor is not Thermopylae either with later being one of the best defensible places in entire planet.The were going to lose their Asian holdings anyway but used diplomacy and turned enemy in to good friend and manage to knock out Athens in process AND they did lose their Asia minor holdings but won the War in Greece. I am against "Athens as smart kids with Spartans as mindless manics" cuz unlike Athens they showed it with their actions....
They did not recognize them as brave they recognized them as powerful seriously after being defeated so humiliatingly at Platea they did not consider them brave
Hey I loved the video thank you so much I wanted to ask you for a favor could you send me the links of were you got these incredible artworks of war please thank you
Historic truth shatters the illusion of sparta saving the democratic west, they constantly fought against democracy. By the way, several thousand thespians fought alongside the meagre 300 spartans at Thermopolay. Have you read Thucydides on the pelopo war?
First of all herodotes speaks writes of what happened in thermopylae second of all thoukididis wrote the pelloponisian war that has nothing to do with the 300. Third there were 700 and not thousands of thespieis. Fourth the Spartans never saved democracy they had a different system. Fifth the Athenian Democracy is totally different of what you know today. If we could bring an Athenian here from the past and tell him look we have democracy he would have said no you have oligarchy.
The Spartans were good. They were great warriors from a warrior society. Most of their success in their time was the discipline and ferocity of their phalanx. Breaking their phalanx was extremely difficult till Phillip came along. The Spartans failed as time passed because they failed to innovate and adapt. Unlike the Roman's who've changed their tactics and army compositions drastically to what would work.
The Spartans were adapting, all the Greeks used pikes by the time the Romans came along and different armor and tactics. Greece in general had declined greatly although it was still wealthy and had too many disruptive forces to align against. Rome only ever had Carthage and Pyrrhus as a major rival truth be told and hannibal didn't have the support back home to finish Rome when he had them on their knees, there was no roadblock once they started expanding, Seleucia was big but didn't offer resistance to much of anything. Macedon had subjects turn against it to side with Rome.
I honestly don't think sparta survived as long as other countries. Despite being an army power house they didn't really care for much else. Very single minded if you really look at it. For warriors and army you can argue their the best to ever do it. But outside of war besides the odd thing Spartans were very simple/single minded.
The Spartans simply ran out of man power. They failed at the society level, not at the battlefield level. They could not sustain their losses because they struggled with birth rates. No nation can avoid ever losing a battle. Defeat happens and the Spartans could have remained a power in the face of their losses if they had enough men.
The metaphor. The same country fighting each other wherein they could’ve instead conquered the world... And in the present time, the same world fighting each other instead of prioritizing to conquer the solar system alone.
My studies of university are on Greek era history now. Specially the Greek states. I need recommendations. Pls anyone! Mostly I’m hoping about the books
Hey how you doing keep the good job up I will wondering can you send me the name of the clips of movies that you use on this video they look very interesting and I would like to know what are they for controllers see them the movies that you use for the clips of this video I will appreciate it thank you thank you
The spartan soldiers where the strongest soldiers of thier time anthens may defeat sparta at sea and wealth but not whit thier training thier skil thier hoplites and war was sparta s specialeti
@@lethaloutdoors001 Yep, the Spartan armies were wrecking Persia when they had to be recalled back home since other city-states were bought by Persia to attack Sparta. "I've been defeated by 10.000 archers" Persian gold coins had an archer engraved.
Hahaha thank christ I'm not the only person who did a double take over that one ! Paul Winfield as a metaphor-spouting alien being hunted by the NotPredator ? Awesomeness.
The Peloponnesian War lasted for 27 years and during the war the Spartans begged the Athenians for peace several times (check the destruction of the Spartan army and navy at the battle of Sphacteria-Pylos). Athenians had the upper hand most of the time. Sparta had to ally with the Persians in order to stand equally against Athens, yet they suffered many great defeats at sea (the complete destruction of the persian-spartan fleet at Cyzicus). Despite their losses, the Spartans were able to build new fleets only thanx to the persian gold. The greatest battle of the war was given in Arginusae in 406 BC where the Athenians won again! Athens lost the war due to the internal enemy of the city, the oligarchic, pro-Sparta party of Athens, which managed to put the best Athenian generals on trial and condemn them to death. After that, the Athenian fleet was given to pro-spartan generals who surrended the fleet without a battle in Aegospotami.
Loved how after the Greco-Persian wars, Persia decided that "if you can't beat them, manipulate them against each other." Kept the Greeks weak, and Persia intact. At least until the little known king Philip I from the backwater kingdom of Macedon started creating a competent military force.
Sorry but it's inaccurate in aigos potamos it was a smart movement of lusandros that won the battle. And they killed the generals for a reason because they didn't manage to bring back the dead. You propably don't know how important is for Greek to Bery the dead. But trust it is very important until today.
This video is one of the best clips about ancient history, I've seen on UA-cam. It's informative, historically correct, for the most part and free of Euro and Negro centric babble. Thank you, excellent entertainment ! I find Greek history fascinating, and there was no greater world influence than the City State of Athens. It's no secret that the Athenians had an influential presence in antiquity. Their many artistic, economical and educational contributions to early and advanced civilizations are renound to date. However, it's interesting to note that Ancient Greece was an assembly of City States. This in no way, in my opinion, takes away any such credibility in respect to their individual ideologies. On the other hand, when I think of Sparta, I'm reminded of their great military might. Thus, giving the city state of Sparta a fierce military reputation, renound throughout the ancient world. It comes as no surprise, that the congenial Athenians would "bump heads" with the rugged might of the Spartans. Afterall, history has documented proof of territorial, economic and cultural differences between the ancient Greek city states. When I first read of the Pelopenisian Wars, I was not surprised to discover why the Greek city states would not unite, in the early days of their cultural evolutions. Similar to the differences of modern countries, it's interesting to know that cultural and political differences, just to name a few examples, originated in antiquity. I suppose, it was a matter of time before these to ancient superpower's had their share of conflicts of interests. From cultural and sociological perspectives, I can understand why these two leading Greek city states, with their ideological differences, would lead to conflict and ultimately, end in war. As great thinkers and a very ingenious people , the Athenians would put some of their most ingenious thinking, to the test against the military ruggedness of the Spartan war machine. Initially, the Athenian campaign broke the Spartans 'chops", so to speak, by utilizing complex wit and strategic military maneuvers , completely unknown to the Spartan General's. Yet, in the end, Sparta would prevail, confirming their rugged reputation. Ultimately, Athens would submit, temporarily, to The Pelopenisian campaign, with Sparta in the lead. In conclusion, after biding their time, the Athenian campaign launched a final attempt to regain their military advantage within the Mediterranean region. What I find outstanding, and certainly some of the most clever thinking on behalf of the Athenians, is when they turned their attention on the busy port city of Syracusa. It's this type of advanced tactical thinking, that sheds light upon the unique thinking capacity of the Athenians. If successful in conquering Saracusa, Athens could strengthen their foothold on a major port city outside of the continent of ancient Greece. Actually, this was a brilliant plan. The ability to think "outside the box", in the face of some major defeats on behalf of the Athenians simple speaks to their higher level of cognitive abilities, adding further notoriety to the Athenians intellectual capacity, collectively. Hypothetically , if Athens could secure Syracusa, from this vantage point, they could hypothetically ,secure other surrounding port cities in the Mediterranean region. motivated to rule the Mediterranean trading routes, in an attempt to prevail and recoup their military reputation, along with their plans for financial and economic expansion through controlling all the major trading routes in the Mediterranean, the Athenian campaign could potentially win the war against Sparta. Once again, the phrase, "to smart for your own good" proves true. Unfortunately, The Athenians, with their combined cognitive wit and further support from her allies , was defeated in Syracusa, Sicily. Again, we acknowledge the military might of the Spartans and this victory over Athens solidifies Spartan culture as a popular military driven culture. AHHHHWOOOO!!!
People! We can draw amazing historical parallels! Athenians (Americans) and Spartans (Russians) fought side by side in the Battle of Plataea (World War II), which ended Persian (German) invasions (occupation) of Greece (Europe). Thereafter there was bitter rivalry. Sparta (Russia) had a powerful army and Athens (America) knew that they could not beat them but they had the power of a naval unit which Sparta (Russia) didn’t have. What the two communities had in common was that they were both thinkers. They worshiped their gods and respected people. They loved beauty, music, literature, drama, philosophy, politics, art and there were some of their population that even loved battle and sports. Where they differed was that while the Spartans (Russians) had militaristic values, Athenians (Americans) were democratic. Athens (America) and Sparta (Russia) were two rival city-states (Super-Powers) in a bi-polar international system. Athens (America) and its allies, known as the Delian League (NATO), came into conflict with the Spartans (Russia) and the Peloponnesian league (Warsaw Pact), and in 431 BC (1948) a war (Cold War) broke out between the two; a war based on trade routes, rivalries, and tributes paid by smaller dependent states. This conflict, the Peloponnesian War (Cold War), essentially was a 28-year period (45 year period) of on and off civil war among Greek city-states (proxy war between the Super-Powers). Sparta (Russia) had a clear military advantage on land, but the Athenian (American) navy surpassed Sparta’s (Russia’s) capabilities at sea; neither side was able to seize and maintain the upper hand. Both sides experienced major victories and crushing defeats, and the war was frequently interrupted by periods of negotiated peace (détente).
yeah I have made same connection many times. I wonder how China would fit into this. I feeli like parthia and sassanian as equivalents to modern China might be better and America as Rome obviously
Athen won almost every battle except one really important one and with it the war. I studied this topic for 1,5 years in the university and I love it that AC Odysee puts it in tvhe spotlight. But they should rather talk about the time before. The dualism almost like the situation between the US and the Sovjets
I personally think this is a modern retelling/reinterpretation and Sparta and Athens were diametric rivals. There's nothing I'm seeing that implies Sparta was in Athen's class in size, importance, achievement, wealth or power. We keep retelling the story like Sparta and Athens were neck and neck rivals with opposite lifestyles but it's not true. Sparta's militaristic traits/prowess are also very exaggerated.
@@kpimkpim349 About Sparta, what is not exaggerated is the militaristic upbrining and ways and the negation of luxury. It goes very deep. It goes as deep as literally stating that people were children of the city and not of their parents. The city took the children and raised them and the children were to fight for the city. The way of living of the Spartans was as strange and not understood but also respected in some strange ways in ancient greek world as it would be now.
@@kpimkpim349 no it's not what you don't understand is the ideas that a spartan had were very powerful but to difficult to follow them. In addition the Athenian way of life was easily to adopt. Sparta was always for the Greeks the most important city that has to do with the military. Philip wanted to come. Sparta is something unique and impressive in history. They were not neck to neck with the Athenian when you compare Athens and Sparta is like trying to compare apples with bananas the only common that they have that they are fruits. They were two different worlds two different way of living.
That is hard to fight almost yue same country men with the same skill to fight with the sword and shield and spears.. I can only image how the fight would be a phearlous fight ehh..
one thing we have found out about all these different people that any of the Spartans the Greek the Romans is that they were all black people soco actually there Hebrews or Morse
I really hope you make a video of the Viking invasions during the time of Alfred the great. Because of Assassin’s creed Valhalla, when it’s released this year.
The Romans had to justify their wars in the eyes of the gods. and besides, Roman legionnaires were paid to go to war, so i hardly think you would need to 'convince' them any further than that.
Introducing the Spartans from a historical perspective wasn’t accurate. The Spartans suffered many defeats in their history and the infamous 300 were actually accompanied by thousands of other Greeks. Fact is later in history the Roman Legions steamrolled the Spartan phalanxes
If you think about it... All these battles and wars started with the greeks and spread their influence. Then started becoming racist when they notice Far East is a different ethnicity and the middle east.
Then alexios was hired by both armies to win battles for them
😂😂😂
AND RULED OVER ALL OF GREECE AFTER THE DEATH OF THE CULT OF KOSMOS!
Nah I think that was his clone from another mother living on the other side you know
You misspelled Kassandra**
What I think you mean is Kassandra was hired by both armies
Crazy how Greece was considered a world of its own at one time. Such a small country in the big picture of the world 🌍 so much established
Nvermind China named themselves the Middle Kingdom, they believed they were the center of the world, every great power have that centric view
Every ancient power saw themselves as the center of the universe.
Think about Japan
The thing is that Greece didn't even exist as a united political entity,yeah there were some hegemonic states like Thebes,Athens who managed to spread their power and influence over some parts of modern greece but back then there wasn't united greece.
In fact there was not greece at all because they called themselves Hellenes,and btw modern greek also call themselves Hellenes so they can express themselves as the successor of anicent Hellas which can't happen in any way however
@@aleksandarstoichev5463 In fact, they weren't even people from Greece, they're actually robots
There is a new-ish mode for AC Odyssey called "Discovery" and it is just one huge history lesson. Definitely worth checking imo.I missed out on so much on my initial playthrough , you can appreciate so much more about the game with it.
The greeks were notorious for their infighting. Internal conflicts and civil wars up until moden times.
Fortunatly Athens was spared the fate of being burned to the ground and its citizens enslaved when they lost the war. The Spartan King refused several demands to do so (which was common) from allied city states.
History would have looked very different if the greek city states would have learned to work together.
Thedeepseanomad they did, once king Phillip and his son united Greece, they took the fight to Persia.
@@contemporarymale While you speak truth, some united under fear, others under conquer. Remember what Alexander did to those arrogant Thebans and their city???
Also spartans did not. And they lost the glory.
Look at Rome and Carthage. Carthage faction was totally wiped out once the Romans beat them. Erased! Those Romans are nasty.
Basil II of Macedon the Vardaskan slayer greece is gay and rome is cooler. Greece got rammed by chad rome.
@Basil II of Macedon the Vardaskan slayer Like Eskimos have may words for snow, Greeks have many words for freedom.
This is how Xenophon, an Athenian historian and pupil of Socrates, describes the moments when the news of the devastating defeat at Aigos Rivers (i.e. the final naval battle described in the video) reached Athens: "...a sound of wailing ran from Piraeus through the long walls to the city, one man passing on the news to another; and during that night no one slept, all mourning, not for the lost alone, but far more for their own selves".
In time for Assassin’s Creed Odyssey
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- "This is Sparta!"
Those sorry ass Athenians are about to pay...dearly!
GRIMALDUS - They are indeed. I support Sparta, why not Alixios and Kasandra are Spartan. There mother is the daugther of King Leonidas.
I actually watched this because of AC Odyssey. :)
I'm currently playing out the Peloponnesian war right now in Assassin's Creed Odyssey
me too :)
Historicly Authentic ??? the next best thing.....
Yes where half the soldiers are women. ..... Very historical, you're just playing a fantasy game.
@@concretehippogaming Half the soldiers aren't women.... there are no Spartan women in the army in AC Odyssey..
@@dompdompdomp who cares if the game is 100 % accurate?? Why do you think we are taking the time to learn the ACTUAL history? If it wasn't for AC games i wouldn't know or give 2 shits about Egypt or the Peloponnesian wars. At least we are taking the time to learn the difference between what's real and what's a game.
Last history video I promise then I'll start studying.
We are cut from the same cloth bro
Me 3 lol
(3 hours later)
:What are you doing ?
:I got carried away.
Just say your studying for history!
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Lastly I've been really into Greek mythology and I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL😍😍😍
This is not mythology.
@@1971ekc well this video isn't, but some of the others videos are in this channel
When I play Rome total war I always play as the Greek city states and always conquer every battlefield using the Phalanx formation
Playing RTW right now as the Greeks!.
Same
same. until those thracian armies that are entirely javelin-men...
Roman military strategy and tactics were better than the Phalanx.
The Phalanx was good, but was very inflexible when it came to terrain or a shift in the battle line.
Cough cough "dork" Cough cough
One of my favorite historic moments. Thank You.
The artwork looks amazing
I like how you used shots from the old 300 movie. Rather entertaining and fairly historically accurate.
This was amazing fun! Yo, EPIC! THANK YOU! I look forward to your next cinematic display! Awesome!
this was amazing, loved it! eager for the next!
I wasn’t really interested in this stuff then I played AC Odyssey and now I’m so addicted to watching these
Yea
“For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretenses- either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed; and in return we hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you did not join the Lacedaemonians, although their colonists, or that you have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments of us both; since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”
― Thucydides The History of the Peloponnesian War Melian Dialogue
Thanks assassin's Creed I feel a need to study up on some real Greek history
Cosmic Drew AC has that effect. Love the series. Even the worst entries are educational as long as you understand many minor details are twisted to fit the templar/assassin narrative.
Ya what are you talking about real history. Assassins creed have historians and the like helping them. Also have to remember like buddy said they twist certain things to fit the in game story.
Thoroughly enjoyed this from beginning to end. Keep up the good work :)
Just came to check whether the Plague in Assassin's creed Odyssey ~ happened coz of my decision errors lol to my surprise ~ It was history who did it XD _Damn tht Phoibe scene hit me hard_ Malaka
Great video! It got me hooked
A pretty accurate account of what happened!
My suggestion is more emphasis should had been given to the three naval battles won by the Athenians after Alkiviades came back to Athens.
Another suggestion would be to pronounce the Greek names properly because the English pronunciation is confusing. A Greek native speaker could be very helpfull!
Easy on the ads dam
I'm Greek and I loved this video! Your channel is awesome!
Thank You :)
I’m not Greek and your Greek-ness irrelevant. Pay your taxes.
becaues the men that ran away from greece made rome , they hated greece but their kids loved their romanticism of greece just like today. They end up reverting just like today
It’s kinda sad that this was the end of Sparta as they went into decline after
No it was another war with the Boetian league led by Thebes that caused its downfall.
Dam Spartans. Destroyed Greek hegemony. If only those blithering Athenians had not gone to Italy..
Thats wrong the greek Hegemony just started with this victory of Sparta over Athen, since one of the allies of Sparta who has risen to power during the war was the small greek Kingdom of Macedonia in the north.
@@denniseggert211 Macedonia wasn't small Philip just inherited poorly trained infantry but their cavalry was already famed and they could field respectable forces, Greek Kingdoms were just looked down on. The Peloponnesian wars led to the end of Athens and Sparta as powers as chaos reigned over Greece for a long time, Thebes took down Sparta and Macedon swooped in to take advantage.
Athens abandoned Sparta; Greek's trump card against foreign invasion.
Raymond Gordon Sparta saved the Greek and the free world from Persia at Thermopylae tho if it wasn’t for Sparta the world would look very different than it is now
@@atomsmasher9279 we'd be speaking alot more Arabic for sure
Very awesome video! Loved the detail and the pictures that went along with the stories! The only suggestion I was have is to leave out the chapter changes, they happened kind of abruptly. Overall, still a very very awesome video and definitely worth a subscribe!
thanks :)
Agreed
I remember one story where Sparta asked for help. Athens sent 4,000
troops to help. When the athenians arrived, the spartans told them to go
home. I think that is one of the ultimate insult... @_@
Well done. Nice work mate.
U helped me so much on my ss project thanks
Incredibly ironic that Perisa helped Sparta to win a war.
No it's not ironic it's called politics.
The Spartans surely must have realised that Persia was playing all of the Greeks and wanted to keep Greece in a perpetual state of weakness and conflict by paying to support their battered fleet.
This is a textbook example of divide and conquer from Persia, if you are a great foreign power and you want to conquer a foreign territory that is in a state of war, you support the weaker side, now the Spartans were traditionally very strong on land but terrible at sea, so the Persians realised that once Sparta crushed Athens at sea, they would only have to deal with smaller powers like Chios, Mytilene, Corsera, Rhodes and Corinth to gain dominance in the Aegean Sea. The Spartans played themselves because within 30 years of their victory over Athens their land army would be eventually defeated by their former allies the Thebans, the Thebans would in turn be defeated by the Macedonians 10 years after the Spartan defeat at Leuctria( 371 b.c).
@John Saf Alexander is the son....
@John Saf The biggest and richest empire at the time was not a great power. I loled
It was because there was a treaty.
Great summary - would be greatly improved if you noted years of events throughout
I am Greek you are doing excellent job thank u
Ty :)
In 394 BC with the Persian naval victory over the Spartan (allied to Egypt) fleet at Cnidius permitted setting up a fortified base at Kythera off the Peloponnesus and raiding the Spartan homeland at will. Thus Persia broke the Spartans ending the Peloponnesian War with a Persian victory and control of the Aegean.
I really enjoyed the video. By any chance is it possible that I could get the links to your information? I'm working on a research paper pertaining to the War. Thank you again for the great video.
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Was gonna subscribe but an add kept coming up when I hit the button.
See you in History / Mythology - I really like your content but glancing the timeframe of the video puts me off as I'm unable to keep up throughout . Is it possible for you to consider splitting the cake into chunks . As in four 6-minute video compartments instead of one long stretch.
Another amazing video from See you in History! I actually recently uploaded my own summary video of the Athens vs Sparta conflict causes in 4 minutes if anyone wants the spark notes version haha!
My God. How many adverts? Ive counted 15 so far. Aint subscribing to this channel
The grain for Athens did not come from Egypt but largely from the lands bordering the Black Sea.
You are wrong. That colonies are just for trading with locals in exchange for theyr citys and not for land agricultural gross uses. In exchange the Egipt it was an agricultural by default due to that excelent pozition. Belive me, I'm from Romania where it was 3 major greek colonies at the Black Sea: Tomis, Histria and Callatis. Your welcome.
This is the best way to start my day!!
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL!
I like the last of the Mohicans film score in the background
Why it's said mythology? that war happen and we have evidence...
But nice video
Idk humans are weriod lol
@Tomas Juarez The story about the 300 Spartans for example is for a big part a fabricated story by the Spartan propaganda machine.The truth is that they weren''t as glorious according to actual history. Maybe that's why some think that this war is mythical as well?
@@2009heyhow werent as glorious according to actual history?? You found some evidence no one else knows about? Nobody thinks either the battle of thermapolae or the peloponnesian war were mythical.
@@elguerojusticiero they are not mythical. It's just that things were not like in that movie 300. For some reaseon a lot of people think that movie is exactly how it happened
Universum The mass armies that the Persian came with was accurate even with the Immortals. The 300 Spartans is a debate since some allies did join them but later Leonidas told them to leave. The movie was overall pretty accurate but just not with all that fked costumes the Persians wears and all them animals
8:04 repeat that again
to think, Greece was a great power and ts the birthplace of westen civilization, and nows its a shadow of its former self.
America is New Greece 😚
Too much hubris/ego and selfishness. Pay your taxes, stop listening to uneducated racist elders and be useful in the now whilst appreciating your past. It’s what all white Europeans are facing right now.
@@1Deejay7 USA has more in common with Rome than Greece.
As is with all great nations. Read the fall of nations.
@@1Deejay7 Wrong America is now Tijuana.😂
So Sparta won on land and Athens on sea until italy
Where did you get these fantastic images for this vid?
Well Spartans end up being better at military technique and even diplomacy,I mean it takes a man to go to immortal Persians and call for aid.It shows the Spartans were not the absolute military regime with no working brain,they were defeated by Persians in past and they did also defeat Persians but still they have the RESPECT and HONOR for their Persian counterparts.Sparta recognize them as the Brave men just like them,
and I am pretty sure Persians took advantage of the situation and were ready to make moves in Asia minor and annihilate the greek colonies but the sparta knows,they will win instead they turn them against the Athens.
It's not exactly like that it's pure politics they didn't have other choice.
The Spartans just went to someone they knew would help.
Nothing could stop athens in Greece if it wasn't for Persian help.
Spartans knew that and acted out of need.
I hate to say it as a Greek, but Persia was the only one to play others in that war
@@markellospatras3039 You don't have to hate to say it Persia and Greece were both proud nations with Persians better of the 2 cuz they appear again and again in history and even have tendency to stand up to whole might of Roman empire.
Its not your fault nobody will tell you that Persian and Greek were pretty good trade partners and even Alexander have respect for Persian "Cyrus the Great" and when conquered the area.....he visited his tomb as pilgrimage the Tomb was looted by Greek Hoplites.
He was very angry and killed Greek criminals and repaired the tomb which include at-least 2 ton old Gold sarcophagus lid and very rare gems....he paid for everything and still to this day.The one of the greatest Persian cultural heritage site Naqsh-e Rostam have Alexander seal on it testament to old times and REALITY..when we use to respect eachother BUT then times changed and Greeks turned whole tail of 300 in to propaganda.
I am not saying he didn't damaged a lot of historical sites but even he respected us like we respect Greek.
The Spartans were not idiots they knew very well their forces are no match for Persian ground forces in Asia minor and Asia minor is not Thermopylae either with later being one of the best defensible places in entire planet.The were going to lose their Asian holdings anyway but used diplomacy and turned enemy in to good friend and manage to knock out Athens in process AND they did lose their Asia minor holdings but won the War in Greece.
I am against "Athens as smart kids with Spartans as mindless manics" cuz unlike Athens they showed it with their actions....
They did not recognize them as brave they recognized them as powerful seriously after being defeated so humiliatingly at Platea they did not consider them brave
13:50 ~ When the Spartans move back the same way.
How's that, now?
Watching this for class .....
same
Hey I loved the video thank you so much I wanted to ask you for a favor could you send me the links of were you got these incredible artworks of war please thank you
I turned my bass down all the way and could still barely hear since youre trying so hard to deepen your voice
Historic truth shatters the illusion of sparta saving the democratic west, they constantly fought against democracy. By the way, several thousand thespians fought alongside the meagre 300 spartans at Thermopolay. Have you read Thucydides on the pelopo war?
First of all herodotes speaks writes of what happened in thermopylae second of all thoukididis wrote the pelloponisian war that has nothing to do with the 300. Third there were 700 and not thousands of thespieis. Fourth the Spartans never saved democracy they had a different system. Fifth the Athenian Democracy is totally different of what you know today. If we could bring an Athenian here from the past and tell him look we have democracy he would have said no you have oligarchy.
love your videos but waaaaaay too much ads...cant truly enjoy it the way it's meant to be. Great video just try to keep ads to a minimum
I know trying to relax and enjoy the video but have to click skip ads every fuxking 3 minutes
The Spartans were good. They were great warriors from a warrior society. Most of their success in their time was the discipline and ferocity of their phalanx. Breaking their phalanx was extremely difficult till Phillip came along. The Spartans failed as time passed because they failed to innovate and adapt. Unlike the Roman's who've changed their tactics and army compositions drastically to what would work.
Angel Garcia I don’t side with people who were know to sexually assault and rape children in the name of creating a soldier
The Spartans were adapting, all the Greeks used pikes by the time the Romans came along and different armor and tactics. Greece in general had declined greatly although it was still wealthy and had too many disruptive forces to align against. Rome only ever had Carthage and Pyrrhus as a major rival truth be told and hannibal didn't have the support back home to finish Rome when he had them on their knees, there was no roadblock once they started expanding, Seleucia was big but didn't offer resistance to much of anything. Macedon had subjects turn against it to side with Rome.
I honestly don't think sparta survived as long as other countries. Despite being an army power house they didn't really care for much else. Very single minded if you really look at it. For warriors and army you can argue their the best to ever do it. But outside of war besides the odd thing Spartans were very simple/single minded.
The Spartans simply ran out of man power. They failed at the society level, not at the battlefield level. They could not sustain their losses because they struggled with birth rates. No nation can avoid ever losing a battle. Defeat happens and the Spartans could have remained a power in the face of their losses if they had enough men.
Hard to imagine a civilization that didn't have electricity or an engine.
there are still those who live under the stars and sun. People who rely on fire and their own bodies.
He almost sounds like George Takei.....
5:57 turn on closed caption
İ do admire this video , i have read peleponnessian war history book from thukydides and this video is very true :)
If Greeks kingdoms unite from the beginning they would probably conquer the whole of Europe and the Persian empire.
The metaphor. The same country fighting each other wherein they could’ve instead conquered the world...
And in the present time, the same world fighting each other instead of prioritizing to conquer the solar system alone.
Actually later on Philip of Macedonia conquered all Greeks but the Spartans and then his son conquered half of Asia
And then Greece could rule the world that means the world will eat Souvlaki
I can't hear you over the music.
Superb documentary.
My studies of university are on Greek era history now. Specially the Greek states. I need recommendations. Pls anyone! Mostly I’m hoping about the books
I recommend *A study of Greek History* By Prof.L. Mukherjee, M.A.
I'm studying this book for my Al's it will definitely help you! :)
Hey how you doing keep the good job up I will wondering can you send me the name of the clips of movies that you use on this video they look very interesting and I would like to know what are they for controllers see them the movies that you use for the clips of this video I will appreciate it thank you thank you
The spartan soldiers where the strongest soldiers of thier time anthens may defeat sparta at sea and wealth but not whit thier training thier skil thier hoplites and war was sparta s specialeti
@@lethaloutdoors001 Yep, the Spartan armies were wrecking Persia when they had to be recalled back home since other city-states were bought by Persia to attack Sparta.
"I've been defeated by 10.000 archers" Persian gold coins had an archer engraved.
Love these vids
Loved this vid, totally engrossing to watch
14:23 you shamed Sparta.
Very well done!
6:06 Pericles from Civilization VI!
Ah yes, General Bursitis. He was quite a pain.
lol I see what you did there lol
You aren't funny lol
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I think the narrator is getting the First Peloponnesian War mixed up with this one.
Hahaha thank christ I'm not the only person who did a double take over that one ! Paul Winfield as a metaphor-spouting alien being hunted by the NotPredator ? Awesomeness.
The Peloponnesian War lasted for 27 years and during the war the Spartans begged the Athenians for peace several times (check the destruction of the Spartan army and navy at the battle of Sphacteria-Pylos). Athenians had the upper hand most of the time. Sparta had to ally with the Persians in order to stand equally against Athens, yet they suffered many great defeats at sea (the complete destruction of the persian-spartan fleet at Cyzicus). Despite their losses, the Spartans were able to build new fleets only thanx to the persian gold. The greatest battle of the war was given in Arginusae in 406 BC where the Athenians won again! Athens lost the war due to the internal enemy of the city, the oligarchic, pro-Sparta party of Athens, which managed to put the best Athenian generals on trial and condemn them to death. After that, the Athenian fleet was given to pro-spartan generals who surrended the fleet without a battle in Aegospotami.
Loved how after the Greco-Persian wars, Persia decided that "if you can't beat them, manipulate them against each other." Kept the Greeks weak, and Persia intact.
At least until the little known king Philip I from the backwater kingdom of Macedon started creating a competent military force.
Sorry but it's inaccurate in aigos potamos it was a smart movement of lusandros that won the battle. And they killed the generals for a reason because they didn't manage to bring back the dead. You propably don't know how important is for Greek to Bery the dead. But trust it is very important until today.
Good thing Athens BUILT THAT WALL!
This is epic
Athens... ya'll got some grapefruits! I'm impressed.
This video is one of the best clips about ancient history, I've seen on UA-cam. It's informative, historically correct, for the most part and free of Euro and Negro centric babble. Thank you, excellent entertainment !
I find Greek history fascinating, and there was no greater world influence than the City State of Athens.
It's no secret that the Athenians had an influential presence in antiquity. Their many artistic, economical and educational contributions to early and advanced civilizations are renound to date.
However, it's interesting to note that Ancient Greece was an assembly of City States. This in no way, in my opinion, takes away any such credibility in respect to their individual ideologies.
On the other hand, when I think of Sparta, I'm reminded of their great military might. Thus, giving the city state of Sparta a fierce military reputation, renound throughout the ancient world.
It comes as no surprise, that the congenial Athenians would "bump heads" with the rugged might of the Spartans. Afterall, history has documented proof of territorial, economic and cultural differences between the ancient Greek city states.
When I first read of the Pelopenisian Wars, I was not surprised to discover why the Greek city states would not unite, in the early days of their cultural evolutions.
Similar to the differences of modern countries, it's interesting to know that cultural and political differences, just to name a few examples, originated in antiquity.
I suppose, it was a matter of time before these to ancient superpower's had their share of conflicts of interests.
From cultural and sociological perspectives, I can understand why these two leading Greek city states, with their ideological differences, would lead to conflict and ultimately, end in war.
As great thinkers and a very ingenious people , the Athenians would put some of their most ingenious thinking, to the test against the military ruggedness of the Spartan war machine.
Initially, the Athenian campaign broke the Spartans 'chops", so to speak, by utilizing complex wit and strategic military maneuvers , completely unknown to the Spartan General's.
Yet, in the end, Sparta would prevail, confirming their rugged reputation. Ultimately, Athens would submit, temporarily, to The Pelopenisian campaign, with Sparta in the lead.
In conclusion, after biding their time, the Athenian campaign launched a final attempt to regain their military advantage within the Mediterranean region.
What I find outstanding, and certainly some of the most clever thinking on behalf of the Athenians, is when they turned their attention on the busy port city of Syracusa. It's this type of advanced tactical thinking, that sheds light upon the unique thinking capacity of the Athenians.
If successful in conquering Saracusa, Athens could strengthen their foothold on a major port city outside of the continent of ancient Greece.
Actually, this was a brilliant plan. The ability to think "outside the box", in the face of some major defeats on behalf of the Athenians simple speaks to their higher level of cognitive abilities, adding further notoriety to the Athenians intellectual capacity, collectively.
Hypothetically , if Athens could secure Syracusa, from this vantage point, they could hypothetically ,secure other surrounding port cities in the Mediterranean region.
motivated to rule the Mediterranean trading routes, in an attempt to prevail and recoup their military reputation, along with their plans for financial and economic expansion through controlling all the major trading routes in the Mediterranean, the Athenian campaign could potentially win the war against Sparta.
Once again, the phrase, "to smart for your own good" proves true. Unfortunately, The Athenians, with their combined cognitive wit and further support from her allies , was defeated in Syracusa, Sicily.
Again, we acknowledge the military might of the Spartans and this victory over Athens solidifies Spartan culture as a popular military driven culture. AHHHHWOOOO!!!
Ac odyssey brought me here.
Can someone please help with the English subtitles ( for every video)as there are alot of mistakes committed by the autotranslater
This is a lovely public resource, thank you for making it! However, as a classicist myself, your pronunciations make me go absolutely feral.
People! We can draw amazing historical parallels!
Athenians (Americans) and Spartans (Russians) fought side by side in the Battle of Plataea (World War II), which ended Persian (German) invasions (occupation) of Greece (Europe). Thereafter there was bitter rivalry. Sparta (Russia) had a powerful army and Athens (America) knew that they could not beat them but they had the power of a naval unit which Sparta (Russia) didn’t have. What the two communities had in common was that they were both thinkers. They worshiped their gods and respected people. They loved beauty, music, literature, drama, philosophy, politics, art and there were some of their population that even loved battle and sports.
Where they differed was that while the Spartans (Russians) had militaristic values, Athenians (Americans) were democratic.
Athens (America) and Sparta (Russia) were two rival city-states (Super-Powers) in a bi-polar international system. Athens (America) and its allies, known as the Delian League (NATO), came into conflict with the Spartans (Russia) and the Peloponnesian league (Warsaw Pact), and in 431 BC (1948) a war (Cold War) broke out between the two; a war based on trade routes, rivalries, and tributes paid by smaller dependent states. This conflict, the Peloponnesian War (Cold War), essentially was a 28-year period (45 year period) of on and off civil war among Greek city-states (proxy war between the Super-Powers). Sparta (Russia) had a clear military advantage on land, but the Athenian (American) navy surpassed Sparta’s (Russia’s) capabilities at sea; neither side was able to seize and maintain the upper hand. Both sides experienced major victories and crushing defeats, and the war was frequently interrupted by periods of negotiated peace (détente).
yeah I have made same connection many times.
I wonder how China would fit into this. I feeli like parthia and sassanian as equivalents to modern China might be better and America as Rome obviously
Man i love your content but it is difficult to hear the narration sometimes
Athen won almost every battle except one really important one and with it the war.
I studied this topic for 1,5 years in the university and I love it that AC Odysee puts it in tvhe spotlight. But they should rather talk about the time before. The dualism almost like the situation between the US and the Sovjets
I personally think this is a modern retelling/reinterpretation and Sparta and Athens were diametric rivals. There's nothing I'm seeing that implies Sparta was in Athen's class in size, importance, achievement, wealth or power. We keep retelling the story like Sparta and Athens were neck and neck rivals with opposite lifestyles but it's not true. Sparta's militaristic traits/prowess are also very exaggerated.
Yeah but what happened with Athens and Sicily expedition? A super costly one?
@@kpimkpim349 About Sparta, what is not exaggerated is the militaristic upbrining and ways and the negation of luxury. It goes very deep. It goes as deep as literally stating that people were children of the city and not of their parents. The city took the children and raised them and the children were to fight for the city. The way of living of the Spartans was as strange and not understood but also respected in some strange ways in ancient greek world as it would be now.
@@kpimkpim349 no it's not what you don't understand is the ideas that a spartan had were very powerful but to difficult to follow them. In addition the Athenian way of life was easily to adopt. Sparta was always for the Greeks the most important city that has to do with the military. Philip wanted to come. Sparta is something unique and impressive in history. They were not neck to neck with the Athenian when you compare Athens and Sparta is like trying to compare apples with bananas the only common that they have that they are fruits. They were two different worlds two different way of living.
AC Odyssey is the reason why i'm here. XD
loud annoying music in the video is so annoying..WHY CANT PEOPLE MAKE THESE WITHOUT BACKGROUND MUSIC?
It is because I need help on a project about Greek wars and I would like to use the website were do you get your beautiful artworks from
To the ikariam game you have hellenic hoplites to fight against hellenic hoplites..
What movie is that with the stills you used for Pericles in the beginning?
Will you do the hx of Iberia and the Mediterranean peninsula
That is hard to fight almost yue same country men with the same skill to fight with the sword and shield and spears.. I can only image how the fight would be a phearlous fight ehh..
Really interesting also very useful in my history report lol
I love your videos
one thing we have found out about all these different people that any of the Spartans the Greek the Romans is that they were all black people soco actually there Hebrews or Morse
nice
I really hope you make a video of the Viking invasions during the time of Alfred the great.
Because of Assassin’s creed Valhalla, when it’s released this year.
will there be any story/movie after the Peloponnesian War?
you should do an introduction. You get that little intro... wind going on then BOOM.
In Athens you could not go to war or a battle or an expedition if you didn't convince the people. Different from USA today or Rome.
Do you know how many times the Athenian did the opposite or said no to a periklis preposition. During all the years that he ruled just 1.
The Romans had to justify their wars in the eyes of the gods. and besides, Roman legionnaires were paid to go to war, so i hardly think you would need to 'convince' them any further than that.
Introducing the Spartans from a historical perspective wasn’t accurate. The Spartans suffered many defeats in their history and the infamous 300 were actually accompanied by thousands of other Greeks. Fact is later in history the Roman Legions steamrolled the Spartan phalanxes
If you think about it... All these battles and wars started with the greeks and spread their influence. Then started becoming racist when they notice Far East is a different ethnicity and the middle east.