THIS airport was COMPLETELY broken until we took DRASTIC measures... | Verde Beach 112
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- THIS airport was COMPLETELY broken until we took DRASTIC measures... | Verde Beach 112
Hello everyone and welcome back to Verde Beach! Mulligan International is COMPLETELY broken and to fix it, we're going to have to take some drastic action to save it. If you've been struggling with airplane bunching or non-working Airports DLC airports, check this episode out where we discuss how to fix them. Enjoy!
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Hello Verde Beach! Your listening to The Daily Fire Starter, and I’m Andrew Hamilton! In top news, the city government has given the ok to revamp the island airport of verde beach! This would aid in more planes and better tourism. In minor news, a new movement for native Americans in the state of superior has taken storm in most cities, calling for new rights and better towns. You’ve been listening to the Daily Fire Starter, and I’m Andrew Hamilton. I’ll talk to you in the comments! Have a good day!
love this community
Telle why I read this in a radio hosts voice
Phil should definitely consider pinning you in all the videos mate haha
hey Hamilton can u shout me out
Haha
This sounds like Weasel News
It's so beautiful to see a flock of airplanes in their natural habitat.
Reading this with david attenbrough(?) voice
@@srrrb5953"the mighty birds took of on the migration to their majestic breeding grounds"
A flock of airplanes is called "a chaos!"
"Here, on the shores of Verde Beach, mighty flocks of airplanes gather, hundreds, if not thousands strong. Their impressive numbers can be seen crowded on the ground just as easily as circling the sky above. It is truly, one of natures greatest events." I've watched almost everything Sir David as done, except his TV shows from the 60s...
Such a beautiful specimen
To cover up the square spots, I recommend you using the paved pedestrians paths so that they look like they are covered up
Phil, thanks for the laughs! The planes moving away was already funny but the moment I saw that air traffic above the airport I lost it. I actually laughed out so loud my neighbor came over to see what was so funny!
Same here 😂 so funny
Haha, glad that you enjoyed that, too!!
30:09 You could connect the terminal in the middle to the main one instead of the farthest one and make two independent metro lines
One thing that could be cool in the "field" area between the terminals would be to take some inspiration from HNL airport. They have a large outdoor botanical area with foliage from different regions with paths and rest areas.
You'd have to connect the two terminals to make it make sense, and the paths/park wouldn't be functional but it could be a really interesting project.
Great build as always!
The plane jamming is from a lack of queuing space. When you reversed the loop direction, planes now have a lot of taxiway to queue on while they wait for their aircraft stand to open, meaning they block fewer gates when they need to queue. In the original config they would back out onto the runway, which stopped takeoffs, which led to deadlock.
Only correction would be to relocate the hangars and parked planes closer to the cargo area since they're never near the passenger terminals IRL. Also, just a suggestion, but ditching the center large concourse and just having a concourse connect to the main terminal building would probably open up a lot of space for more small or medium plane stands since I think no airport planner would spend money on reclaiming all that landmass and not cram as many planes as possible.
This is the one time where on a vanilla build I wouldn’t begrudge introducing move it for literally one episode. How you have the patience for this is mind blowing.
Seeing the ports near the airport just makes me think that we need a ports and harbours DLC next
Love the video phil! But i think the lest side of the airport should go counterclockwise in order to avoid crossing as the runway goes in the other direction
I'd cut back 1 palm at least from the ATC tower. Other than that, splendid! You have NO idea how much the old concourse's 5 degree tilt tilted me. Thank you for fixing it!
I think the problem you're having with usage of the planes comes down to simple maths. You have around 24 stands that will each hold 100 people. You're trains, metros and cars can only supply so many people to the area. Attractiveness brings people in yes, but it can only do so much when you have capacity for 24,000 people on each turn. Especially since, DLC behaving, only 2 planes can land at any one time, including cargo. I love this build, it's beautiful and I've seen how much work has gone into it. But I think you've done the thing you always warn against - over building. You don't yet have the draw for 24,000 people so each plane is going to be 75% empty. Realistically a plane will fly at that capacity once or twice, but the airport would cut the flight entirely since it wouldn't pay for fueling and wages. This happens a lot where I am. Every mode of transport should be treated the same, you add buses or reroute lines when they are underproducing, the same should apply for airports. Realistically this airport has gone bankrupt because no one will continue to invest in a three terminal cargo and passenger airport with only 1,400 passengers. You only need 14 planes. Again I love this build, but this has stood out to me since I watched the original build when I was binge watching Verde Beach.
100% agree. Thought I was the only one thinking this.
Fair point! I'm going to do a bit of playing around with this off camera to see how removing aircraft stands impacts utilization. I can't believe I didn't think about this in the way that you did!
Great video and fix of Mulligan International! One of the reasons why the taxiways are not symmetrical is because the far (ocean) side runway is shorter than the near (city) side runway. This puts the shoreside exit further away and results in that odd jog that you do not get on the near (city) side exit.
A couple of things:
1) use paths to fake concrete
2) connect the terminals. Having the only access between them be a subway is a bit awkward.
3) the road connects are awkward and therefore causing traffic
When you first built this I had been working about a week on perfecting my airport efficiency. I knew when you built this, although beautiful it wouldn't work in game, did find it's key to have taxi in longer and seperate for each stand, then taxi out isn't as important. Give room for each stand to park 2 planes without blocking another stands way. The whole 1 way only is rough. And that you'll have 1 stand with 20 flights then 3 with 0. Nice improvements.
I think: the airport has many aircraft stands for the size of the runway. Flights have been accumulating because due to the number of arrivals and departures, they need to travel a long way both to enter and leave the airport, the takeoff and landing time is great to cross the entire runway, this creates a looping. The low utilization seats is another prove of this excess. Decreasing the number of stands or the size of the track is the only solution
For the airport metro, you can rotate the modern terminals fully! Just turn them to make the angles of the tunnels better!
You should make metro lines connecting different parts of the airport. Might not be practical, but my local international airport does it, so maybe it’d be cool
Nicely done! One thing I would still change up though - on the long runway's taxiway you went by highway logic "straight, offramp, straight, onramp, straight", but on the short one you went "onramp, straight, offramp" instead, possibly clogging the taxiway up more. If you reversed the directions on the ramp loops there, you can make it look more in sync.
28:00 I believe the second shorter runway’s taxiway loops should be going counterclockwise to decrease traffic crossing. You could also have the taxiways come in at diagonals to reduce the corners (like in the picture from Hong Kong’s airport)
David Attenborough voice: And here we see the wild aeroplanes in their natural habitat... These unique flying patterns are indicative of the aeroplanes' mating season; a unique dance in which to attract a mate.
Looks great! One minor thing, which you said you'd do months ago, but never got around to, was to remove the ferry depot, as it is obstructing the views from the high-end hotel.
I believe that those palm trees next to the air craft control tower are blocking views or the radar sometimes...
Ideally your runways would be flowing opposite in relation to the other - this is so that when the winds are favorable for one direction over the other, one runway can be used for arrivals, and the other can be used for departure to take advantage of headwind/tailwinds and save fuel.
Never before has a stressful vanilla build been presented this smoothly in months! Happy New Year!
Hey Phil, I feel like you would save hours of your life by pressing the Enter key to say yes to dialogues. Whenever you go to delete a building and it requires confirmation just hit Enter to say yes!
These Cities Skylines Ideas came to me in a dream last night.
- [ ] Homeless people mechanic
- [ ] Modular stadiums-Olympic CCP to go with stadiums DLC?
- [ ] Ocean Liners-connect a special port to a shipping line, place a ocean liner/cruise ship on it and every week or so it will bring thousands of passengers and their ticket income to your city-mechanic in a harbour DLC and new ships in a ccp (a cruise line could be made like an airline can be made in Airports DLC)?
Also, the reason why most airports are land-based is because it is easier to expand. I don't know if that is the reason you're not expanding, but the airport really needs to expand. Because unlike real life, in the game, Supply does not interact with demand. So if you increase the "Supply" (Gates), you will not increase the "Demand" (Planes, and it is definitely something you should consider
you can add some military aircraft at the center area between the two concourse or some helicopters, they are normal stuff at airports
That may be the most clear pilot voice I have ever heard in my entire life
I realize you adore the long runways but I would divide them up in to four runways instead. Two for cargo and two for passenger traffic. Figure it would improve taxying time and improve efficiency. I'd also make a metro-stop in the cargo area to create an airport-metro-loop separated from the city loop.
Hey Phil. You should try using a one way system. That is, one side is for taking off whilst the other is for landing. My suggestion is for the runway facing the mountain to be for landing and the one heading out to sea to be for taking off. That way, planes enter on one side, drop off and pick up passengers, then proceed to the other for take off. I think it would work a lot more efficiently. Happy New Year!
I feel like the uneven lengths of the runways contributed to the difficulties you had trying to get the two sides of the airport to align neatly. Perhaps a little mulligan there would have helped?
Also, having only a single way onto and off of each of the runways is causing your cargo and passenger planes to commingle and contributed to the backing up seen towards the end of the video. It's not particularly realistic to have such long runways with only single entrances and exits; planes are meant to come off as soon as possible after reaching taxiing speed so that the runway is clear for other traffic. Adding more entrances and exits from the runways will improve the realism and reduce backing up.
🌍 you spin me right round! 🏚️ Happy new year Phil!
Happy New Year CPP I found your channel only a few months ago but have since watched dozens of your videos. They're both fun to watch outright but also make good background podcasts while working or driving. I think sometimes we don't always share the some opinions on some topics but you're an excellent builder and content producer! Thank you for your efforts!
The planes at the start of the video where migrating, the plane its a dangered species, its so beautiful when you see the migration by yourselfs
I'd deal with the Imperfections on the symmetry. You have two different lengths of Runway, that will make the airport asymmetrical by default.
I would've liked to see a more intelligent stand selection. When it spawns to land, the plan picks an available stand, instead of just flying to one that has five all queued up to go to it. I'm also so glad you managed to catch all those planes on camera because that sight is hilarious XD
the beginning felt personal haha
when i went on vacation to texas for the first time, i pointed out the palm trees. as a Minnesotan i was pretty jazzed. but my friends which i met at the airport didnt let me off easy, and every so often theyd go and point at a palm tree and say shit like "hey look! A palm tree, aint that sumthin?" at least 100 times.
when they come up here in a few months im planning a blizzard road trip for those asshats.
I grew up on SimCity and I can't get out of the mindset of zone, do more zoning, oh and zone some more and fix water pipes etc, and don't forget to zone.... This is so much more granular
Keep them symmetrical! The planes will flow better! 🛩
✈️. My degree is in Aviation Management. Airport planning was the most enjoyable class I had.
It feels like 3hr taxi delays at airports is standard... mayhaps the places I'm going lack the necessary palm trees? - a fellow Midwesterner
I really wanted the Blue Danube Waltz to play with flock of planes spazzing out. I wish someone would make an edit of that.
Wow! I have never seen a flock of aeroplanes migrating before! What a majestic sight!🛫✈️🛬
I like the imperfection. Feels like it’s made in the real world.
I pile to add a spine down the middle of the airport where I have the terminals facing each other. Look at the Singapore airport.
Why does your airport traffic remind me of Hitchcock's The Birds? Major kudos to your air traffic control folks for being 100% accident-free. Your airport is suffering from crime, Phil. Both ends of the island are having crime and that will directly impact the rider volume and the tourism around the airport.
The thing with landscaping is that one of the biggest problems and dangers at an airport is birds and birdstrike. So you never, ever, want to encourage birds to nest, roost, or rest, anywhere near the planes at all. No trees, no hedgerows, no bushes, in which birds might see a potential home or resting place that puts them flying where the airplane engines are needing NOT to intake a bird.
Love the redesign, but since there's no crossover traffic from side to side, why not connect all the terminals up through the middle with a center concourse?
Also, why not set the airport metro route as internal only with the city stop ending at the front concourse as a transfer?
To me those big guitar pick shaped hubs are taking up spaces where gates could be.. guess I've spent too much time at Atlanta Hartsfield ;)
2:31 O'hare moment right there
That first 3 minutes was a good laugh.
ouch the trees are killing me, especially in front of the ATC tower 😬
Verde beach brings out the most interesting behaviors in your people movers😅
the first thing that jumps out at me is the runways. most airports runways are in different directions due to how landing and winds interact. Maybe reverse one of the runways?
That flock of airplanes is one of the best to close 2022
You can plop concrete in vanillia! Just use the concrete pedestrian paths
I think the landscaping is fine except the tall palms adjacent to the flight control tower lol
I think you may be able to divide your runways in half and shorten the taxi time and keep the planes moving
Your intro announcement was very unrealistic as we could make sense of it 😂 Thank you for the video 😊😊
🛫✈✈🛬 I had a fantastic time flying with Captain Phil, but the backup was annoying. I would give this flighgt a 9/10, just because of the piolets personality!
I thought my speaker was messed up before I caught the bit! :D
I never knew I could laugh so hard at a Cities Skylines video. 🤣
I was watching " Seniac " another UA-camr playing City Skyline.. This was happening to him too..
During the time lapse it seems like the AI still favors the right runway over the left one which is weird but seems to be what is causing those visual back ups still
im so gllad phil make a video for today, thanks so much
That intro, though. Loved it. :) I don't have the airport DLC yet, might pick it up for my birthday in a week or so. :D
Then again, after Flock of Airplanes... maybe not? :D
You could use paths to fake a concrete brush 😮
Why don't you make the cargo airport functional separate so the cargo airplanes have a separate runway, but visually incorporated into the whole airport.
Nevertheless great episode and very satisfying to watch you. Love your work!
I am really worried about any plane that might have trouble slowing down on the runway. Currently these planes are headed straight into the airport district if they are unable stop at the end of the runway. I would build some fences, nets and a natural barrier like sand to catch any planes with failed brakes.
I feel like you made in unnecessarily difficult for yourself with this design, especially with the large triangle shaped buildings. Since the overall design is very similar, you could take a look at Munich airport in Germany. It might provide some good inspiration.
really takes back when i watched totaltimewasters cities skylines build years ago.He had eternal loop of airplanes on the sky
Might want to remove those palm trees blocking the control tower...
I think slightly asymmetrical is better as it's functional and the runways are different length
the herd of planes has convinced me to buy the airports DLC 😭
Migratory planes to Verde Beach to escape cold Clearwater County XD
Seems right time of the year...
maybe a seperate runway for the cargo airport would help too
In a real airport the taxiways extend the length of the runway and then some. They'll typically feed in from behind the numbers so the airplanes have the maximum runway distance needed to take off. You feed it in maybe a few hundred feed past the numbers and it's causing my eye to twitch lol.
Additionally, the taxiways would have several on/offs from the runway to expedite traffic getting off who don't need to take the entire runway length to land
Imagine all the FOD if airports actually had trees on the restricted airplane side =p
Shouldn't the airport runways be running in opposite directions? One for arrivals and one for departures? Or am I crazy?
Also, the primary bridge onto the airport island seems like exactly the place you'd want a cargo truck ban, since the rail connection exclusively for cargo is right there and the cargo traffic would just clog the airport traffic up.
ooh thats the whole worlds produced plane in the last 10 years. happy new year though
That 2nd set of passenger gates that face the open field is wasted money for the airlines and airport. They for sure would have places to load planes
Happy new year Phil!
I am buying this dlc now :) ✈
I do have a dumb question i feel like i missed, did the monorail ever make it to the new airport?
Happy New Year!!!!!
As someone who lives somewhere with tons of (non native) palm trees, I gotta say… they SUCK! They provide barely any shade, use tons of water, are dangerous to trim, but create a mess if you don’t trim yearly. The US needs to get over our obsession with palms and plant actually good trees
Maybe flight utilisation % is based on the number of stands you have in relation to the passenger demand?
If you have too many stands for the demand then maybe too many planes come in, and so each plane is less filled? Not sure on that one, would need an experiement. I wonder if your ridership would stay the same with fewer stands, but hte utilisation % would be higher? Ergo, more efficient and cheaper. That being said, not something that is massively important for Verde Beach with its near $100,000 weekly income..
nobody:
Southwest Airlines: 3:16
Looks like Southwest was running the whole airport.
2:24
They're moving in herds.. They do move in herds.
Will you ever play Workers & Resourses?
Phil, would the footpath be the right colour to fill in your gaps around the airport?
AIRPLANECEPTION!!!
At least you have planes and boats. I have some mods after the update and since than no planes or boats are generated. Can't figure out which mod is causing this. :/
The taxi ways on the one side should be going the opposite way.
32:39 taxi ways on the left side of airport
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the airplane traffic control definitely got fired after this fiasco.
2:26 Nature is beautiful.