Is Azami's character design incongruent with Rainbow Six Siege?
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Her look is polarizing, and I think a lot of people don't care, but it makes for an interesting conversation.
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Is Azami's character design incongruent with Siege?
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How to make Azami be treated better by the Tacticool Community
1. Put a Kevlar Vest
2. Put an absurd amount of pouches
3. Have like 10 different gun holsters
4. Profit.
You forgot the tactical flashlight mounted to her mask
This. This is perfection. Also, would a pair of NODs be too much?
Azami, not Azumi, or people will confuse her with Aruni.
this was wardens design philosophy. honestly azami is japanese warden, and with her being more of a secretive security detail, it would be best for her to not give her identity/ position away with all the pouches and bulging vest etc. i think they did her right
There's a simpler way of doing the same thing:
Light-weight vest and a pistol holster/kunai pouch combo.
Boom, done. I know it's a joke, but damn you missed a good punchline...
P.S. If you want a visualized description of what I wrote, take how most of the heisters from PAYDAY 2 look with those smaller vests under their suits.
I'm that guy that argued about siege ops not looking like special ops for years, but... I like Azami's design.
On its own, she do be fine for modern shooters. But for siege? No
@@sweet5304 Her look fits her lore.
@@sweet5304 Is siege not a modern shooter?
@@107zxz3 i mean, Finka has nanomachines, you've got space lady with hologram drones, its modern-adjacent, if that makes sense. Like, most of the weaponry and gadgets are stuff you could find in real life, but its kinda the Battlefield 1 approach of taking prototypes and ideas of gear and just saying "fck it, that'd be cool, put it in"
@@Lynch2507 and because of that, it helped make bf1 one pf the better battlefields, and tbh i think it helps siege too
What pissed me off with the kali/ash fight is that everyone that was on ash’s side was literally on the side of the room that ash was. In the background you can see thermite go in to help separate the kerfuffle and out of nowhere sledge pushes thermite for absolutely no reason. I’m like sledge….wtf
Sledge just wants to throw hands. Maybe he's got some beef with Thermite
Other chads: *exist*
Sledge: _aggressive Scottish noises_
Maybe sledge got some of that kali cooter
Maybe Sledge thought that thermite was going in to throw punches at Kali as well because of his close connection with Ash
Yeah plus they are all super trained in being good at cooperating under stressfull situations, its bullshit that they would just get mad like a bunch of teens
As long as shes easily identifiable, I dont really care about the operators base look since we've been so far from "genuine" operator aesthetics for a good while. She does look fucking sick though.
That's a fair point. If everyone looked the same it would be a real dumb situation of seeing who's who. We can only have so many types of helmets that are easily seen at a distance - so seeing someone in a suit with a ponytail makes her stand out. The pathfinder ops all have unique helmets/hats and masks and their gear is clearly defined, Ash is skinny with a ponytail, Blackbeard makes people froth when they see him, and Kaid is massive with a fancy hat.
@@kirbyis4ever
That's not an excuse. Especially since Rainbow Six Extraction made a perfect solution to those issue by having tactical colored Night Shift outfits and head gear uniforms and colors which not only make everyone look as though they're on the same team, but gave them yellow accents on specific parts of the operators bodies to help distinguish them from one another. It can be done.
@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 Can be done doesn’t mean it should be lmao. Siege made that decision a long time ago. Imo, it looks good.
@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 do you remember when blood orchid camo update while night map still exist? good ol' days indeed. and extraction are PvE so character identification isn't priority anyway
@@FancyDakota
Why SHOULDN'T it be done? Have you not seen the outfits and headgears that I am talking about? They would be very easy to carry over to Siege and wouldn't make anyone hard to see or tell apart in the slightest.
Non argument.
Siege's story has the same problem as Overwatch. Devs can't progress a story in any significant way because it would clash with their gameplay so it ends up hamstringing them.
Overwatch refused to talk about present lore or develop it for YEARS because it would have meant adding voice lines to account for plot.
Harry is also a big doofus so far in the story. Kali has been poaching talents from Rainbow for what? 3 years? and Harry hasn't even shown himself pr commented on it.
The issue was the game launched with a focus on the PvE aspect being a main part of the game and story then Ubisoft realized they could sell a lots of weapon/character skins by going woke and ignoring the White Masks attacking people all over the world. Inatead they focus on anime plot that SOF or special forces units would do live competitions so they can sell merch.
@@Emogeta This is unfortunately likely not true lol. If you check the original 2014 and 2015 trailers, they previewed Siege as a 5v5 operator vs operator team game. I liked the White Masks and original Terrorist Hunt too but I dont think it was really going anywhere.
@@ArkayeCh Considering the talk in interviews with how they were trying to flesh out the white masks I think they were planning to do things with them until ideas ran out or fell through.
@@Emogeta "Going woke"?
Funny when people use that term to describe anything they don't like
@@ryanstenberg8505 No, not really.
Regardless of your political leanings, it's pretty clear Ubisoft would rather take the high road of "diverse background characters with distinct sociological traits" than keeping strictly to CTU groups from government bodies with small concise military bios. It doesn't take a lot to see them as a company take that stance, so it would make sense they apply that to their most popular product, since it appeals to the most fans and makes them the most money.
(I mean, look at how many companies go all in for Pride Month for a wider example)
So, regardless if you "like it" or not, Ubisoft is clearly pushing that envelope rather than keeping the game where it was in Year 1-3 where I don't think anyone took notice of an operator's character background or uniform (outside the country they came from) and more focused on their gadget/loadout.
It's less that the design is a problem on its own, and more sort of sad that we don't get more operators actually based on real counter-terrorism units. Remember when Greg did his video on GIGN, for example? That was neat, and including real CTUs was always part of the charm of the game for me.
Just not the direction they chose to go with bro, unfortunate for people who enjoyed that aspect but people gotta either move on or enjoy the game for what it is now.
I feel like a light armored vest wouldn't go amiss, kinda like Warden. If she's a 3 speed then I have no complaint
but she's a 2 speed
@@ghostleemann955 idkhow that even mkaes sense she has nothing on just clothes no armor if she is 2 speed how is vigil 3 speed?
Well, she's a body guard. It's probably underneath her clothes. Have you seen bodyguards before? They're not gonna be wearing riot gear and ammo pouches. They're going to be wearing fancy clothes that blend in, and probably have some sort of bullet proof vest underneath it.
@@underscore_5450 What this a different environment. Also vests are very bulky because it takes a lot of material to stop a rifle round.
@@underscore_5450 How the fuck do you hide a kevlar vest under that shit? She doesn't even have her suit buttoned up.
“She definitely looks like she’s going to be one of the most operators to play.”
It’s lines like this that make me wish I was witty enough to think of stuff like this.
He probably got it from Dumbsville
This is one of the comments ever on this video. That easy lmao.
I think the real issue is that Ubisoft is scared of offending every country so if any country gets labeled a 'bad guy' then Ubisoft is worried about their share prices. If you look back at the Ghost Recon series, with the backlash after Wildlands released they moved to fictional enemies and drones instead of actual countries that America's elite military unit would fight against. Ubisoft is literally the worst studio to be handling the Tom Clancy property today in the company current firm sadly.
I mean, breakpoint is kind of a satire of american die hard need for justice. Walker is a man who has lost comrades and goes on his, what I quote, holy war against politicians who hold them back. That’s a reference to vietnam and how the US air force couldn’t effectively bomb north vietnamese targets because politicians were afraid of the repercussions, understandable, no one wants nuclear war with the soviest or china. But it was bad enough to hinder any real progress, costing alot of lives and horrific usage of weapons like napalm and agent orange.
All I’m gonna say is everyone was popping off hard when warden got launched like this, and considering she’s not out of line apparel wise given her background, I don’t really get what’s wrong here.
Like yeah I like the splinter cell realistic army motif as well guys but like, the base roster includes a helicopter pilot fighting in the frontlines and a guy who originally used a gun out of date in the *50’s* in counter terrorism and now uses that same gun with a grenade launcher jury rigged out of a bolt action sniper rifle. I think we can stretch out our suspension of disbelief with contract security agent dresses chic.
Ohh shit, I forgot about the Lord himself in my comment criticizing the people that say the game is meant to be realistic.
@@chucklesdeclown8819
It's is meant to be realistic. Of course, something's are going to be given leeway for the benefit of gameplay purposes, which is fine, but trying to say that there is no hint of realism in Rainbow Six Siege whatsoever and that being grounded wasn't the original intent for Siege is factual wrong.
@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 "realism"
smoke and his geneva suggestion gas
doc with his miracle stim
bandit with why the heck spec ops bringing car battery
@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 how i've tried to rationalize it is that Siege takes the Battlefield 1 approach. In that game, there's a LOT of weapons and gadgets that were actually used and a lot that were in the prototype stage or just blueprints. Likewise, while you have actual real-life guns in Siege, you also have things that are just ideas, like EMP grenades or holograms or prosthetic arms that punch through walls. Its just for the added variety and honestly, im fine with it
@@ganangfakhriansyah4552
Pal, nobody is asking for a beat for beat realistic game. Obviously there is going to be some liberties taken for the sake of gameplay purposes and that's FINE. Obviously Cav being able to interrogate a downed operator and automatically know the exact position of all enemy ops on the map is pretty flipping unrealistic, but it fits with her background as being a brutal interrogator.
What people expect from Siege is not in fact complete realism but to maintain modest suspension of disbelief. I don't expect operators like Flores who has never even once actually served in police or military duty to ever keep up in the field with those who have, and neither should you. I don't expect PMCs like Nighthaven who's values don't align with Team Rainbow to ever be excepted into their organization as an allied force and neither should you. Do you understand how this "realism" argument actually works or are you just going to rely on loose examples of video game logic to try and prove your point for you?
People like you who try to make these kinds of points seem to think that we aren't aware that what we are playing is a video game, but just because Siege is a video game does not mean that the devs can just throw caution to the wind, add what ever they want to the game, and we all should just accept it BECAUSE it's a video game. Especially Rainbow Six, a video game franchise that has been around long before Siege, and once herald for it's strives towards tactical realism in shooters.
To me, the Halloween cosmetics are much worse for the state of the game than anime operators. There's only so many ways to make "dude in combat gear" look unique, so more outlandish designs would become inevitable as the number of operators increases, and for the first few years the game has been pretty good about this, where you could easily recognise an operator just by their silhouette: sledge is a bald dude with a mask and a hammer on his back. Jäger has a huge helmet and is wearing some fly-ass sneakers. Iq also has a hugeass helmet but is female, and on attack so you'll never confuse the two. But I was running around Oregon with my mates looking for strats and it took me a full minute to realise that the brown stinky blob of Halloween goo disgustingness in full view of me is supposed to be kaid.
Literally just look at the operator card above their person bruh
I actually agree there, every time I come back to the game I struggle to recognize the 'Halloween' skins' and what operator they are meant to be
@@tonyflamingosucks6590 nah goofiness isn’t inevitable. They’re just too lazy to model thousands of real world attachments or allow us to customize placement of pouches and equipment and patches like Ground Branch does.
The games not made for the realism crowd who played R6 since the first in 99 like myself. It’s made for kids who think squirt gun skins look cool
@@lustrazor44 Have you played Escape From Tarkov you may like it if you’re looking for realism and this isnt to bash you or anything but i dont think the devs are gonna add a thousand attachments which could complicate the game even more for new players who just wanna have fun. The game is hard enough for new players and i dont see why its wrong for more people to play and children to play as long as they aren’t annoying. I understand where youre coming from but its just a game for fun and also in my opinion one of the better games out there! I hope you try Escape from Tarkov or other realistic shooters!
@@oKayden9000 you said it well. I personally love the stupid stuff. It takes away from how serious siege can be.
Her design with the suit and what her job is is actually realistic. She wears a suit with her job in the lore and it's the same with the irl witness protection job she has in Japan. There is nothing wrong with her design and trying to drag politics in a fucken video game bothers me a lot. I understand being conservative even a little bit my bother other people but it's realistic and no one truly cares about the politics of fictional characters. Ppl who complain about that in a video game need some help in my opinion.
this kinda goes off topic of the video, but considering esports are getting more and more mainstream and video games as a medium for storytelling and stuff is also becoming mainstream (like, you got A-list actors in 12 Minutes, say what you will about that weird game but that's big), people need to remember that any form of creative project, be it books or tv shows or video games, are gonna be political at some level, thats just how art works. Obviously, 1984 is gonna be on a different level then Modern Warfare 2019, but the latters campaign made an actual attempt to say something about how far is too far in service of protecting people, which is a political statement. Then you have games like Fallout New Vegas, Disco Elysium and others that wear their political themes and ideas on their sleeve. How all this translates to a shooter like Siege comes into affect more in the story and lore then the gameplay and character design, but still, video games are always gonna be political at some level.
@@Lynch2507 well yeah but forcing politics when it isn't necessary is pretty stupid
I hate to break it to you pal, but Rainbow Six is an inherently political game franchise who's books were written by a man who was a huge conservative. The jobs of these operators is to fight terrorism and intervene in potential global crisis' for crying out loud. They don't have to shove it into your face or remind you about it 24/7, but one way or another it's apart of what the franchise is and to detract from that is how you get this boring Night Haven narrative or the Tournament Arc that overstayed it's welcome.
@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 motherFUCKING *TOURNAMENT AARRRRC!!!!!*
@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 Finally you see the point.
It looks good but my only problem with her design is she has 0 ballistic vest stuff covering her organs which is not very handy for even the training environment.
I like my fancy coats but please give her something to protect her lol.
Nice reasoning, however we do have some operators that have no ballistic protection such as:
Amaru
Aruni
Caveira
Capitao
Ela
Finka
Glaz
Kali
Kaid
Maverick
Melusi
Thorn
Wamai
She prolly have something underneath or ubi will give a bullshit excuse like her outfit is fitted with reinforced kevlar like John Wick's.
@@jrbudoybudoy considering Finka has nanomachines that let her shoot faster, i feel like bulletproof lining in a suit checks out lmao
@@ridhosamudro2199 Some of those operators are 2 armors as well - no ballistic protection but they're just built different and can take more damage.
Kaid is apparently just a monster and can eat rounds for breakfast.
@@kirbyis4ever ya, kaid is just a beast, I'm sure.
The thing is with the “out there” character designs is that the Ops with the “realistic” designs also have silly skins you can use and the “unrealistic” base operator characters eventually get more “tactical” outfits you can use.
IMO her outfit is just too flashy. When you compare it to say, Flores or Warden, they're basically very similar. Casual coats with a few tactical accessories. That fucking coat pattern and mask and the Drive gloves though just makes me cringe, it's like something a neckbeard would wear. If they'd just give me a flat black version, maybe without the mask (seriously why a cloth mask?) I'd have way less to complain about. Although I could go on another rant entirely about why the kunai is a stupid idea design wise but I think that one's a lot more self evident. Imagine if Melusi's gadget was a fucking spear.
I told this on twitter and I'll say this again.
Ubi not making a series or movies based on these characters is a crime against humanity.
You guys never learn do you
Video games movies are a bad idea
@@muathdarion8521 bro have u seen arcane ? Am not saying video game movies were ever good i still have nightmares about Mortal Kombat movie BUT there is a detective pikachu ? Sonic the hedgehog ? I mean the movies work when people DO THE WORK. Same goes for arcane like that was such a good show and with how good siege lore is and how deep characters are it can make into an awesome show if they just bite the bullet and made it without having a care about whom they're gonna hurt.
@@muathdarion8521 Arcane, the Castlevania anime, Sonic was pretty good... almost like "video games movies are inherently bad" is a statement that's been proven wrong time and time again and that its more "bad movies are made when things are rushed, concepts aren't fully understood or fleshed out and poor decisions are made in the writing room". ya know, the things that make bad movies bad regardless of if the source material is a video game or not
@@s4meerbankupalli164 my problem is really with the fan base they're so easy to be .. satisfied and milked i guess
I mean if ubi decided to make a movie the fan will be so hyped and mostly will be satisfied with anything they make no matter how bad it's most of them will be like ehh it's a video game movie it's what it's and ubi will make tons of dollars no matter how good or bad the work is
I know it's just a hypothesis but it's what i learned from past experiences
@@muathdarion8521 yes you are right like that's a legit concern but... Looking at Siege devs... And their writing team... I have some hopes man. Like after Arcane, people now know that video game based content can hit hard so they won't accept a subpar product... Let's just hope that one day they make a series and it rivals Arcane or even better.
Kali’s villain arc: full sent while baiting/ nearly TKing teammate.
Got flamed in team chat and became a villain.
I think the big problem with Azami's design, is that if you are going to add a character who is Japanese, operates in Tokyo, is representative of the state not having a monopoly on force, dresses in black suit pants with a brown-and-black suit jacket with a fancy design, and is often depicted with a knife in promotional art... just add Majima. Like you cannot tell me that she doesn't just look like Majima but grill.
On the broader topic of Siege's writing though, I think it's hilarious that Rainbow's characters are better characterized and have more sensible and clearly defined motivations in some random Chinese mobile game than in actual fucking Siege. Like... for an operator, especially a team leader like Ash, to just haul off and punch someone is a HUGE breach of decorum and professionalism. A soldier with as much experience and professionalism as her needs a VERY good reason to do something like that. When Ash punches someone in Siege's actual story material, it's because Kali full sent without droning and used her teammates as bait. When Ash punches someone in Arknights, it's because the punchee is a massive fucking war criminal on a scale that would make Mengele blush, and after 6 months of being stranded in Anime Land nobody is around to stop her.
I agree I want to see majima just run around and breaker style on people
if said chinese mobile game is arknights, we still got questions more than answers in the r6s collab
@@hahndogg5540 you get what you wish
Based off my understanding, its Harry vs. Kali.
Harry is trying to modernize Rainbow in his own way, trying to develop a team of operators to combat the threats in the world. He sees the value of working together with other groups, since that's what Rainbow was founded on: uniting the countries together to combat a larger threat.
Kali, on the other hand, is leading a global offensive with Nighthaven. Its a Privat Military Corporation that is effectively doing the same job as Rainbow except that they are also a mercenary force, hired to fight whomever they choose.
Nighthaven promotes more freedom and technological advancements in their work while Rainbow is designed to be more by the book.
This is why Ash hates Kali, because Kali does things her own way instead of working with her team to combat large threats.
They are more or less on the same side, its more of a moral battle than a figurative civil war. Nighthaven isn't the bad guy here. In fact, they are building towards someone else being the bad guy.
Think about it. Ever since Harry took over, the largest threat Rainbow has fought against has all up and disappeared. The White Masks are no longer in the lore. Terrorist Hunt is barely used and will likely be replaced by the Shooting Range. Its a classic story telling cliche:
Relegate the main threat to a footnote to take the focus off of them.
Give your enemy a new enemy to fight while you hide behind the scenes.
When the enemy has put all their resources into fighting their new percieved threat, that is when you strike.
This is all building to something, some massive lore event on the scale of Outbreak. Seriously, Nighthaven aren't the bad guys, and neither is Rainbow. They are being used as pawns for a larger game.
Rainbow is desperate. They are going to the private and civillian sectors to recruit their forces. Nighthaven is making plays, stealing Rainbow ops to build up *their* defenses. All of it is coming to a head in Y7S3 when we get the Singapore NHV headquarters map and op.
The issue people are taking is the lack of storytelling direction, or the perceived lack thereof, when Ubi has been telling us for literal years they've had a story building up.
Mark my words, a new threat is on the horizon, and Nighthaven isn't the threat I'm talking about.
What do you mean a new threat? We have nothing to signify that there is a new threat.
@@Masterprocrastinator223 EXACTLY. While all our focus is on Nighthaven, who is building their forces in the shadow? Who is taking advantage of our focus on someone else? Who have we taken our eye off of? THAT'S the threat I'm talking about.
They've only given us nighthaven and team rainbow. And your questions make it sound like this future "threat" has someone on the inside and has been in the team's sights before.
@@Masterprocrastinator223 for the last few years, fans have been asking "What happened to the White Masks?" There is nothing in the lore saying that they were ever stopped. Its like they disappeared from view. And when they disappeared, Rainbow began preparing for the next threat, Six was replaced with Harry, and Nighthaven showed up. I'm not saying that Harry is a White Mask mole, but I am saying that Rainbow took their eye off of the White Masks and instead turned towards Nighthaven.
I could be wrong, I just know that when I don't have the full picture, when things don't fall into place just right, something is off.
Or you are trying to make a picture from puzzle pieces from different puzzles. And why would harry add more people to the team that aren't as far as I know part of any counter terrorism unit? If there's no constant threat then why is he getting this desperate and inviting anyone who just asks at this point?
I very much enjoy Azami’s character and her design. I don’t care about the whole “must be tactical” thing. The game would feel very stale is it didn’t take risks. I understand the writing part completely, they need to show us what they want to tell us. Show don’t tell. Give us a cinematic on why nighthaven is bad.
I don't see how making tacky looking character designs that don't fit the theme of the game falls in line with "taking risks", but if you like them then more power to you.
@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 the theme of the game isn’t the same as it used to be. The design they chose was inspired by Japanese security for high profiles like the developers stated. It’s more of a risk than staying w more boring character designs such as bandit and thatcher. But that’s just me.
I just hope Azami doesn't spread Covid to the other operators.
So you wanna show up to a counter terrorism mission dressed up like a clown, all bark no bite?
@@jbnoneya386 Boring? I don't think this type of game suits you if you find outfits like thatcher's boring.
All I’m going to say is: character designs like Azami didn’t happen over night. Ubi has been pushing the envelope slowly but steadily these past seven years (fuck I’m old).
And while I like the old tacticool vibe? I’m at a point where I’ve just accepted Siege is an anime and I do honestly like her character design. What matters though is her kit looks cool and I plan on adding her to my stack.
I’ve lived long enough to watch rainbow 6 turn from tactical realism to this so…yes old. Played the original in 99 old
@@lustrazor44 I’m still young so I mainly compare it to the beta and launch. The tone much more muted, it felt very grounded in the tacit-cool vibe which made it feel like the tech used COULD possibly exist (in the nearish future).
But now? Like Greg says, we have astronaut super troopers and dudes full sending through walls. It’s just been kind of a wild progression but I am still into the game & Azami looks genuinely fun (been wanting a builder character like her for awhile).
Still just wild all the change the game has gone through.
I like the design. Even speaking from a gameplay perspective, it’s important that each operator has a very distinct visual style so you can reliably identify them quickly.
Okay, keep in mind that all of the pathfinder operators had very distinct visual designs as well, and yet most of them still kept in line with the typical Siege feel. Why does your point not take them into account?
@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 I get that but there are also now 63 operators in the game, at some point the tactical looks start to blend together
@@vsf_dave811 nah
@@timmythai0590 damn I didn’t think about it like that
@@vsf_dave811 Ik
Give a character Yeezys and watch the entire community wear white robes. Its not that her character design is oil-to-water, it's that she doesn't fit the typical look for a tac shooter like siege. She's obvy gonna get a more 'normal' outfit later on
Azami's design is fucking awesome. Idc what anybody has to say, I'm glad ubi is not putting themselves in a box anymore, with those militaristic designs only. It's a breath of fresh air and they can finally go all out with real style.
I mean that's the issue, they should stick with militaristic designs as possible. This shouldn't be a default for Azami but an elite skin.
I think Azami looks cute, and her jacket is fire. Sometimes to me it feels like parts of the Siege community are controlling.
The game is literally based around strategic counter terrorism outside of the goofy skins and silly limited time events. It is not asking too much for the game to make operators that feel like they belong in the this counter terrorist unit but also look like they fit the part as well.
@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 At end of the day it is a game. I see were you're coming from but it's not like her design is all pink with sparkles. Plus she kinda stands from a lot of characters, which is what I like about her.
@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 I also should mention that I don't really care about character design too much.
@@bignoob24 What she has now would be a PERFECT ELITE SKIN. Azami should have her Tokyo MPD uniform and make it a bit more tactical.
Most people just like her cuz they wanna sim 💀💀, like only reason most people come up with is oo cute girl like bro get a real girl or something, these games aren't gonna stop dieing because every game is just slowly copying each other
I miss year 1 siege, everything about it, the artstyle, the gameplay, the counterplay. The gadgets based off actual CTU technology, and not sci-fi shit or African magic.
Can I have that siege back?
No, because the devs are hipsters themselves.
Idk siege is way better now than it was back then. There's nothing wrong with sci-fi gadgets.
@@HigherDarkness I can't tell you that you can or can't like it better now, but me and a number of other people liked it way better in year 1 and we can't even play the same game we bought for 60 dollars anymore
@@russiandoggo4336 Thats the problem with "live service" games, they can add and remove all they want and there is nothing you can do about it.
@@TheBeardedDwarf it's just as bad as early access in that regard. I honestly just want a classic Playlist or something, or a downpatched version of the game
I had this issue with her design at first because I assumed that she was a Yakuza member and some of the leaks kinda thought that she was one as well. While I still did think that the design was good, I was initially put off by the idea that we were once again getting another operator that hade nothing to do with counter terrorism or even basic military or police duty joining team Rainbow and being expected to handle working under the same conditions.
However, once I saw the character breakdown that was apart of the Demon Veil breakdown, I realized that she was just apart of this special branch of Japanese Police Security, I began to appreciate the character and design a lot more. It was the only time that I feel like I completely misjudged a character before seeing what they had to offer.
You're half right. She STARTED as the special security cop, then turned into a security specialist for the "private sector", which is basically ubi saying yakuza without explicitly saying yakuza.
(Mentioning the yakuza in the videogame world is a strangely dicey thing btw, so I don't fault them for skirting around it.)
@@ferndiesel Heck, it's not even the yakuza whatsoever. It's just a Japanese data security businessman.
Okay, we got a few things going on here. First Rainbow Six is a series, something that many current fans actually don't know. The older games had very strict rules about visual design. Rainbow had their own unique uniforms, and being organized under the FBI were supplied with Western equipment. The operators represented represented their respective cultures through language and tactics rather than visual design, and the internal conflict was about men and women trained in very different ways learning to work together as a single unit. Now Siege has the advantage of being rebooted into the Mitchellverse with Shadow Vanguard before it (and technically the events of Patriots happened even though it didn't get made). The Mitchellverse already boasts a wide variety of designs and tones, from pulpy spy thrillers to plausible wargames. This gives it a bit more wiggle room than it historically had, but the way they executed this transition was an absolute shitshow. First of all, in the *three* Rainbow Six games that have been announced in this universe, not once did they take the opportunity to tell us loud and clear that *this is a reboot.* I'm only able to explain the continuity to you here because I pieced it together from context clues. If they thought they could get away with sidelining the writing by never making another campaign, they were wrong, and this is proof. Next they marketed Siege as a hard military tactical shooter with fake CGI gameplay and paid actors pretending to communicate like classic fans do. They marketed the game to people who were not their target audience, and they will never stop suffering the consequences. This is the single worst trailer that has ever been made for a video game, and it's responsible for 90% of the damage that has been done to the Rainbow Six brand. Obviously the game was not like that, not even in the beginning, as you pointed out. IQ's pink sneakers are another good example. This game's writing and visual design was never nuanced to begin with. And then came the DLC, which took us further in the anime sci fi direction until we literally ended up in space. So when asking whether a design or plot point fits with the brand, you have to ask, do you mean Rainbow Six's whole history, the universe's logical constraints in general, or Siege's original style at launch? Because those are three very different standards, and depending on who you ask, the game is being judged by different ones. A kimono however is one of the most dangerous things you can wear to a modern close quarters engagement since it gets snagged on everything, and not a single one of the legacy operators wear uniforms that represent their civilian culture or their country's history, so that doesn't fit with any of the above
Well said! I do think that Siege has taken a slightly odd turn when it comes to its new team members but hopefully the writers will not go overboard too much now. Ultimately, you are right that it's the gameplay that matters.
They went overboard within the first year of the game.
@@lustrazor44 good, it's more fun that way lmao
@@Lynch2507 i disagree
8:17 Kali's character arc: "Full-sent without Droning, Angers Ash, starts internal schism that threatens to erode the entire team."
So, the average response to a screw-up in a pub game. Completely believable writing on Ubi's part, then.
Ash had likely PTSD at the moment. Plus if you're going to use your teammates as bait that carelessly in a real operation, just shoot Kali without trial.
I think the design shift in Rainbow Six Siege is if anything, indicative of a shift in focus for the game itself. More particularly, of Ubi's desire to redefine siege's identity into something a bit more unique and a bit more appealing to broader audiences. The game has been out for 7 years at this point and has changed radically from its first year, and as such some of the incongruences in its writing and design have begun to show. So Ubi and the Siege Team are looking to pivot. This is not unusual for companies or games to do with long running and profitable games.
Riot and Arcane are a great example of this. League is an old OLD game at this point and frankly, its settings and lore are a bit of a mess and through many years of retcons and reworks, Riot has worked to patch the cracks but there's only so much you can do while maintaining the structure. This is where Arcane comes in, I see Arcane as Riot's attempt to consolidate the League universe into something more coherent (though we will have to wait till Season 2 to confirm this). As I suspect, as Arcane grows and includes more of the world, you will see the changes it makes implemented into League till eventually; the Arcane lore will supersede the original lore.
I posit that Ubi is trying to do the same, by introducing Nighthaven and the Games and all that, they are trying to create a new and more consolidating vision for Siege going forward. Now whether that will be taken into account for an eventual overhaul for the base game or be put full force into a sequel remains to be seen. Ultimately I think the radical design shift post-Iana speaks to the franchise seeking a new more refreshed identity for the coming decade and no matter your taste, that's perhaps for the better.
They’re doing a cool narrative restructure with the new season. Moving away from the “games arena” stuff and back to more lifelike tactical situations. Also I think the nighthaven enemy thing has to do with the fact that they’re doing stuff for money? And Harry doesn’t like that or something idk
I remember when Rainbow was a global CTU and not a bunch of babies who practice the same drill over and over for spectators.
Why don't they bring back the terrorists. As far as I am aware they where never defeated. They just did this massive attacker vs defender training for like 5 years and did nothing in the end. So maybe take it back to the Bartlett attack and make something out of that?
They're just swept under the rug, and for the current climate of worldviews simply too *cOnTrOvErSiAl.*
I wrote a comment just a while ago explaining an idea on that, if you're down.
I dont think its a bad design by any means, shes designed quite well. She almost looks like if a valorant op or a female john wick just kinda slid into the "big military boyos" club. Though we've had elas and dokkaebis latex pants for like ever so its probably just the natural progression.
I love Azami's design.
It just gives off more of a Yakuza kind of vibe which confused me at first glance without knowing her story.
I was off put by Azami's design, thinking: "Why a suit?"
But now I enjoy her design, and have more the mind set of: "She's got some dope suits."
I just kinda like operators that look like they know they're running into building with people trying to gun them down using relatively heavy duty weapons. Like ya, she used to be a bodyguard and stiff but its just bad writing for her to stick to the bodyguard look when dealing with hostage situations or counter terrorism.
I prefer her look to most she looks cool and in a game I prefer style to realism honestly don’t get the whole wanting realism when it’s a game like most of the stuff in there is super dumb and cheeky if you want the real deal go join in real life otherwise take it how it comes and enjoy a lot more important things to get mad about then how a characters outfit looks.
it’s like how some bodyguards wear suits do seem professional and aren’t decked out in full tactical Kevlar
I think if they just gave Azumi a bullet proof or tactical vest to get her out of the civilian look and more into the military look then all would be good.
Your voice reminds me of the Conflict desert storm Narrator, the one that gives you the mission breakdown in the beginning of the levels i love it. 10/10 for the nostalgia
I see a lot of people asking for a new tacticool guy with realistic uniform, helmet, little characterization whatsoever, but they forgot that we already have Blackbeard. Look, I like tacticool dudes, but they need a little characterization at least to distinct themselves. I would like a new dude with Monty's like helmet but less body armor, or another dude with a vest like Maestro, but with another headgear, or a dude with his cap backwards and a half dressed jumpsuit, mecanical guy-like
To be fair. The game has been a anime for a while
8:36 I think this is the single most important takeaway from this video. I wouldn’t mind their current art direction for the game, because after all, it is their game and they can go whichever way they feel like going (not to mention it’s probably more popular for the majority of the playerbase) but compared to the stuff they had before, it’s just bland.
I really like these types of videos, I like seeing other peoples opinion, especially when they explain what led them to their opinion since it helps to understand their thought process. I liked your video, not based on your opinion but based on how you presented it and generaly adressed this topic. Your video is well made, entertaining and interesting.
It is kinda rare to see topics beeing discussed in siege since to most people it just comes down to "you have to agree with my subjective opinion so I can prove to everyone that it is objectivly correct".
I have to be honest, I didn't even know that Nighthaven are supposed to be the bad guys, the way the handled the story so far seemed like Ash vs. Kali is like Thatcher vs. Dokkaebi but in a way where the point of the story is that both sides can learn from eachother. Which is something I thought would fit well to show the community that rather living in their bubble of ego they should look at how other people succeed in different ways and thus become better players.
Now where I have heard that Nighthaven are the bad guys I have to say the story so far is quite upsettingly bad. It is not haha-funny-bad like in that other hero shooter, Team Fortress 2 since the game's tone is way too serious.
I would prefer having tactical dresses and operator designs, but I won't argue with someone who prefers non tactical design. For me, gameplay matters a lot and Siege has one of the best gameplay out there.
Unless they add some dude in a mechanized spherical suit, I don't care about new operator designs.
Mental how much backlash Hammond got when Winston was a launch chatacter lmao
@@Lynch2507 ?
I agree with the point of gameplay trumping all else however I violently disagree on siege having the best gameplay ever. I disagree with it having even tolerable gameplay. It fuckin sucks.
@@timur5241 He's talking about the Overwatch character which was widely mocked because of how stupid it looked, where a hamster was put in the mechanized suit.
@@wafflesasthepuncake3624 I love it because it allows us to be so creative in setting up the map as defenders and approaching the map as attackers. I agree the community makes the game unbearable sometimes and we have way too many bugs, but the game is still fun nonetheless, at least for me.
I would like to know why you feel Siege gameplay sucks.
Personally I think Azami's design is much more realistic than Iana or Aruni for example. Like you said in the video she is from the private security sector of law enforcement/military and it is somewhere siege hasn't had any people come from. It isn't like she has anything crazy going on either, her suit and mask look like something she might wear if a client wants her to dress up. The weirdest part about her outfit is the neon yellow leather gloves that I personally think look ridiculous.
The only problem that i have with azami, is that she had to beg for a job to a person she met in the police academy, and that how she got into the most prestigious military group in the world
Ubisoft wants you to see Nighthaven as villains but doesn't give you a reason why they are villains.
I could care less about her character, I'm just happy there adding something that is actually new and engaging for both the defenders and the attackers, because omg thorn doesn't add anything, there is already 4 trap operators and a new gun doesn't mean shit unless it actually works different like the bosg or kalis sniper and look how those turned out. Thorn should have been 1 of 2 ops being add when they did 2 ops a season, that would have been ok.
To be honest, what her character design now should have been her elite skin. While her default should be you know, a Tokyo MPD uniform.
I was always one for the less futuristic aspect of Siege, but hey this is what we got. Can't change it, and it's not like it makes the game unplayable. Everyone is entitled to like different parts of the game and who am I to say they are wrong, even if I don't agree.
Don't get me wrong, I love siege. I played it almost exclusively for almost four years. I love the pvp competitiveness. However I always enjoyed the pve, and wished it was a bigger part of the game. I've played extraction and I wasn't impressed. I really just want a LTM based on a terrorist attack, thats fun and playable. More like the old rainbow games. Not only would that bring a natural antagonist to the game, but it would drive home the point and usefulness of a world wide collaborative anti-terrorist organization.
We just need siege 2 at this point.
just restart.
To make sense on the whole Nighthaven Situation.
From what I am understanding, Nighthaven is not a good/bad guy but a grey guy. They are mercenaries, working for the highest bidder. They are willing to give their resources to people who will pay for them
this puts them at odds with Rainbow because Rainbow is trying to maintain the status quo. They are also officially funded by several countries while Nighthaven isn't. Nighthaven has to make cash somehow and Kali doesn't have infinite wealth pouring out of her pockets.
As for Kali poaching talent from Rainbow? It is more likely that Harry understands that people will want to move on to different environments and is just trying to hire more people to offset Kali taking away operators. If you think about it, if your unit is not being cohessive, no matter how much experience they have as a team, there will be a breaking point at some point. Some Rainbow members don't really like Ash's strict by the book ruleset so they go to Nighthaven instead. They are still free to return to Rainbow as independent contractors but don't have to work directly under the Rainbow hierarchy and instead can follow a different set of rules.
They should just take the rainbow six tag off this game, ubisoft has killed the Tom Clancy brand, i dont even think the current development team has worked with another R6 game before
Its not congruent. That ship sailed a while back. This game is like.... Rogue Company, that takes itself seriously. At least RC has that panache and swagger like Fast and Furious movies.
Siege is dead. This is a different game.
Okay so I didnt expect him to compare it to RC in the video. Jokes on me. Still. THEY STOLE THE KUNAI IDEA. Once Wraith established that its a cool concept, they stole it. Fuck em.
she's competing with valorang at this point, we're 3 years past the point of no return
ok but people who complain that azami isnt tacticool are same people who wear goody pink uniforms and skins
what do people mean she's not realistic? she's got a mask on and everything, respecting COVID guidelines. That's totally realistic.
Low key want Gregor to talk about ace combat. “How to play the fishbed”
The only "bad" about Azami, was that we knew her gadget was going to get som neerfs from day 1. And as more exploits are found, they will probably do it a few more times. But as a character, she is not even middle level bad for joining the crew. I mean, they have fuze on the same team as people who want to rescue the hostage :p
What exploits? I think not being able to walk on her gadget is enough and only taking 3 hits makes it kind of weak as a quick patch for holes in reinforced walls
@@chucklesdeclown8819 The first was recreating the aim holes from windows, with bulletproof defense (for a few shoots).
Bikinibody showed of a few of these, and he only do for fun, pretty certain coconut brah have a much better list already.
Then it was the exploit to use them to climb and reach new places. They might have removed that one already.
It is no Lion broken gadget, I think Ubi have learned to not do that again.
I think Azumi looks cool, and is pretty grounded for what she's supposed to be. I'm one of those who want Siege to be more grounded and military focused. I think the frustration comes from ubi not catering to the tactinerds, especially on defense. It's also frustrating when we could get a decently accurate portrayal of a CTU, like Nøkk or Warden, a well designed op that's not in a CTU or a fictional one like Sam and Flores, a Nighthaven op that's just a skin tight suit with random mag pouches thrown on, or something like Amaru, Oryx, Thunderbird, or Iana, which is thematic to their character with varying degrees of cool. It's kinda like how BF fans had to wait 3 games before we went back to modern military, you kinda ask "when is it my turn to get what I want". I also wonder if people from certain countries, like Sweden for example, get bummed out because they didn't get their CTU represented. I still think Siege is the most interesting fps, and it's my favorite game despite all it's faults
TL;DR: Azumi is cool. I wish most ops were more relistic, instead of the direction they're going. Having Sci Fi/ non mil/LEO ops every once in a while is fine.
Indeed. Her default skin icon should have been her Tokyo MPD uniform while what she has now could be her ELITE SKIN. Imagine if this was her elite skin.
I’m fine with Azami’s design cause like she’s what I’d think of as private security like even with the elegant suit some really rich people might want the guards to look fancy too I think she fits perfect lol
iana having visible contact lenses to make her more realistic
capitao watching at distance with a pirate eye patch:
I think people forget that THIS (yes, this... thing... not your Tom Clancy Rainbow 6 classic and I think we both can agree on that) is not your conventional security organization. They are "can you do shit? Welcome aboard" type deal.
That is not at all how Rainbow Six is supposed to function and the fact that that is how it is happening is yet another example of Ubisoft's horrible direction with the game.
I agree with his take for like 90 percent of it. Immersion is still an important part of the game and it’s setting. Azami didn’t completely compromise it at all, but it’s a little weird that there is no immersion in her design. It’s a little bothersome to see everyone else with body armor.. and then the lady with a snazzy suit, even just some hidden plates. But I do agree with 90 percent of it but I feel like he missed that part. (Big reason I play fallout occasionally; because of the art and the setting)
At a certain point it simply doesn’t make sense for somebody in a setting with guns to not have any actual protection. That’s a part of what gives the gun danger.
I’d like to think they’re writing nighthaven not as like an antagonist but more as a moral rival/ more ends justify the means type of military group, causing the members of rainbow to split more on the morals, we’ve seen that Ela, Smoke and other members have moved over to nighthaven because they agree more with Kali’s methods not the by the books style Ash and other members have. I like the new character design Iana was a major shift in the rainbow character design making the member look a little more advanced than the modern technology we have now, the last few characters have had their own sense of flair and style that makes them easily identifiable the new character is no different, her background is a bodyguard for very wealthy people in Japan she should look the part.
I'm sure Future Gregor is pleased with the lack of punches pulled with Deimos murking Harry.
I truly have no idea why politics is even relevant to this character, but my problem with her design is that her style takes precedence over her own life. Thatcher painting union jacks over the EMPs doesn't take away its functionality but choosing to wear a flashy suit instead of some armor while door kicking with SWAT is just crazy. It makes sense when she's a bodyguard because she can't be rocking kevlar while attending a party or something, but counter terrorism is like a whole other ball game.
Damn, that’s crazy and true!
Good thing it’s a video game
@@FancyDakota and why’s that
warden is nearly the same he just has an armour vest over a suit and no one complained about him
I dont know why your making this a political, conservative vs liberal debate.
The debate at hand is simple: is siege a more of a realistic fictional swat simulator or a flashy fantasy hero shooter?
I personally liked it better when it was more geared toward the former.
No, i dont like the weird, over the top flashy anime characters they are adding, not that they dont function well with the game, i just like the more realistic looking asthetic.
Theres really no left vs right politics about it
She's looks like a Mortal Kombat character. Having said that, they've been lost the military aspect.
Gonna keep saying this because I like feedback. Love these styles of videos. Not siege specifically, but the editing and focus. In all honesty, the videos where it's just you talking aren't nearly as interesting as these videos that go a bit deeper, and the meme edits make my zoomer brain go big boy mode and always compliment the point you are making. If I can give any feedback, it would be to keep writing scripts, whether they be in text or just in your head before you record. Love ur stuff kisskiss
0:20 that has to be some of the best sequences i've seen in youtube history
Based off his S tiers, I think Greg can agree with us and say Azami is perfect for the Siege anime waifu tier list
I imagine Six reading Azami's portfolio like: "Huh, she was in the police but got discarded for aggressive behavior. Then became a bodyguard and failed misserably at her job. Yep, that's the guy we are looking for, what can go wrong? Let's recruit her."
She looks really nice. I dont know why this stuff is coming up when people didnt really care about warden? I can see how people dont like her design tho. I also dont really want all ops post whatever year r6s is in to be john wick.
Warden outift is pretty in line for the Secret Service
@@smeminem1258 So a private bodyguard can't look stylish? The only considerable problem Azami has in her current design is the lack of bullet protection
@@jrbudoybudoy doesn't wamai just run about in a wetsuit?
@@Lynch2507 Yep. People be contradicting themselves at this point.
@@jrbudoybudoy clarified the Warden outift not being out of line, never said anything about her being allowed to be stylish, which given her tacky ass suit isn't something she should be concerned with
"Full send without droning" I spit my drink 🤣
The design looks sick as fuck but it absolutely does not belong in a fucking Tom Clancy game. She looks like a valorant character or the next KDA member’s skin. Her character doesn’t even make sense to put onto Team Rainbow in the first place, but that much isn’t new, they’ve been letting odd balls with no place in a tier one setting on the team for years at this point and it doesn’t get any less frustrating.
Honestly there's a simple fix of Azami's design, put a tactical vest on top of the suit, that's it, no need to full tacticool but atleast make the outfit make bit of sense like a place for her to pull mags out of
Last operator that looked apart of a CT unit was black beard. Mozzie is decent too.
What about the white noise and blood orchid ops?
@@idurisu930 lesion maybe. The rest look like air-softers. Dokebi should be behind a desk. Vigil is wearing a weird ass suit with a mask that doesn’t even stop 45. Acp. Ying wearing all that armour just to have no helmet, her torso and shoulder armour looks like riot gear so it probably won’t stop a round. All In all, ubi is god awful at making semi believable operators past season 2.
I don't know, Warden and Thunderbird were kind of okay.
@@Chad_Thunder-Koch To be fair with Lesion, the CTU of Hong Kong actually has them wear cargo shorts just like the Gsg9 operators actually wear jeans because they are meant to respond immediately to a situation.
If there is actually a legit character issue here, it's not really Azami but rather Amaru and Iana. Whatever looks like Azami right now yeah, bad default skin but the PERFECT ELITE SKIN.
@@Chad_Thunder-Koch really? frost get a pass? with her WW1 smg as modern spec ops?
Well put, Idk why there has to be so much hate for adding characters
Aren't siege operator always being incongruent since year 1? ie jackal
Maybe Azumi could have been trained by a military instructor in lore from some strong western country, that should be enough and maybe give here a vest that's it
they removed what made siege a rainbow six game, notice how they removed every text mention of terrorism in the game, training grounds/practice replaced terrorist hunt which has been the name of the gamemode for years, I liked the tactical customization of vegas 2 and i loved the game when it came out and we played the global military deathmatch game, now its fortnite/splatoon with marvel tier drama as the focus with half of the design specifically set up for twitch/esports league (removal of special effects because they cried about le balance and completely forgot about the realism part that was the whole point of having a Tom Clancy label in the first place)
Greeeeg, i like the way you explain the operator's background from your way of saying it, would love to see more of you talking about their bakcground biodata of every each operators cuz i think its interesting to listen to them
Im a simple man. When Siege suddenly got invaded by Mother Base squad (aka: discount Shadow Company) and then suddenly you have people from Six switching sides like its a fucking pub match in BF3 *ahem* Smoke, Goth Girl, and whoever else goes with them, I lost interest. Like wtf even is Rainbow anymore.
warden's drip is so fire nobody can complain
funny how team fortress used to have people saying how new cosmetics weren't suitable for the art style. And now people jsut don't care anymore
I also remember a game designer saying that they looked to the japanese secret police for her character design. *What's that?* *Police?*
dude i haven't even played this game in like 2 years and I still watch these videos for my man Gregor and not for siege
What's weird now is that Grim and Solis almost feel like a return to the more tactical, realistic operator designs.
They went less for "effective operator in any capacity whatsoever", and more for a certain style, which I have coined "Silky Dommy Yakuza Mommy". The silky of course being for those gorgeous suits, because by god they are hot.
That's world-class-tailor shit right there. Genuinely incredible. Wish it were real if I'm frank, just for the knowledge that this suit exists.
My dad met the guy Thatcher was based on, Mr Macaleese, a few times. Funny thing is the guy was a pyrotechnics guy and he invented what’s basically a hard breach charge. So he’s a tech guy and thatcher isn’t.
I do wish siege would take a more tactical look but I love her design especially her suit jacket and the menu with her spinning her throwing knife is wayy better than the last few seasons
It’s not her design but her death noices when she dies. If you know you know
To be honest I really like characters that wear suits in games hence why I main Warden and I really don’t have a problem with characters wearing suits like Azami but at least with Warden he wears a bulletproof vest I think at least Azami should have lore to her suit having some John Wick type weaving or have a skin for her where she has a bulletproof vest and another where she just has a suit
I think the thing I dislike the most about the whole "Ash is mad at Kali for not droning" thing is that I think Kali's in the right for just making a play. Sometimes just making a play before the other team is ready for it is all you can do, and droning can give your plan away or give the other team extra time to establish new crossfires etc.
Finding out that Gregor is an Ace Combat fan has made my day
There's only so many tacticool designs you can have before operators stop being visually distinguishable from one another. There's nothing wrong with having different not-so-tactical designs. My main gripe is that many designs don't clearly convey if an operator is 1, 2, or 3 health/armour. Like with Melusi, she was clearly designed with the intention of being a 3 speed operator, she wears light gear. Now she's a 1 speed operator, but she doesn't really look like she has the armour that goes with that rating.