Did Rainbow Six Siege's Writing Take a Weird Turn? | Gregor
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Everyone since year 2:
R6 is becoming a bit too Sci-Fi
Ubisoft:
Let's add an actual astronaut lady who has no police or combat background whatsoever 🤪!!
It's weird man. Just watching gameplay from year one took me for a loop.
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I mean its not a bad thing
1:06 that is my problem with siege i just don't like the new character Designs
Tom Clancy rolling in his grave
The way I see it, there's 3 different eras for Rainbow:
1.) The classic international counter-terrorist era (John Clark-Ding Chavez)
2.) The modern international counter-terrorist era (Aurelia Arnot)
3.) Avengers/Justice League anime but with guns (Harry.)
Ah finally. Some classic love for one of the best books every.
At first when I bought the game I was like oh cool concept now it feels like im watching a anime
I'd like to see a 3rd echelon/ voron operative added to this mix.
Also the clothing design as soon as they started to look like a bootleg indiana jones instead of future past late to mid 90s early 2000s "operators" I was really happy they didint make a campaign to butcher
They really did Angela Basset dirty, didn’t they?
So my dad was formally in SWAT, and he watched me play thermite and use the charge and he was just stared at the screen and said, “I need one of those”
@Fuze ` says you who destroys the hostage
Lmao
@Fuze ` Destroy a house definitely. But a building? That's a stretch.
@@Lucole who plays hostage
@Apple Tek Support Does "Put a little C4 into the mix" mean it doesn't have C4
Buck main be like "The only thing I feel when I pull the trigger is recoil"
Twitch's f2 the only thing i ever feel is recoil
Ela mains: hi
bearing 9: i am actually ceo of the company
SMG 11 has entered the chat
Smg12: hello
In the books: “less than 100 people know about team rainbow”
In the games:”welcome to the team rainbow olympics lmfao”
KidGoonz if you think about it too, it’s is pretty weird to host an event with people who should have their identities marked as confidential, and then invite a bunch of people to watch them fight
Ghosty Good point now everyone terrorist organisation knows their identities, this game is amazing but it’s not rainbow six
Oh my god, you feel me. I got so mad when they made this event lmao. I thought they were a covert team, I miss the old siege.
@@yohanspring3076 I like siege i think its a great game but i miss games like six vegas and i really would have loved to see what patriots had to offer, i like a bit of story with my games
Also gonna take this moment to plug my channel
Harry's interview with Oryx went something like this. Harry "what can you bring to team rainbow?"
Oryx, "I have a 40 foot vertical jump, and I run really fast."
Harry "Get this man a fucking gun"
Nah, more like:
H: "so what can you bring to the team."
O:"well I can jump-"
H:"SOMEONE GET THIS MAN A GUN!"
I mean, if he can jump 40 foot in the air the guy is clearly super-human, you want him on your team....
@@Kraos3 Yours is better.
@@phelps6205 I mean if he jumps 40 feet into a trap maybe not
@@dname9394 it's still 40 feet.
It starts to get weird when a guy in a swimsuit fights terrorists.
Or ash in a kickboxing costume blowing open a giant wall and dumping a mag through it
It's not totally unfit for combat. I bet SEALs wear something similar on some of their operations.
@@holdguard4624 When they're trying to get in undetected and thus avoiding the bullets, sure.
@@holdguard4624 They do, but not on land operations like what we get in r6. The maps are exclusively on land, spare Yacht (that is still surrounded by ice thick enough to run on, but in reality, most counter terrorism units would be dropped on the top of the yacht rather than the ice on the side).
They are called "frogmen" Not kidding it's real
The best arc to this anime was that one time where Clash got removed
I miss that time. Ubi added insult to injury by graciously unlocking for me, for free, a randomly selected operator one month after I'd started playing the game.
They got me Clash, so now I cannot simply avoid playing her by letting the random pick pick for me.
That arc happened 4-5 times
@@lowresolutionbunnyfeng3919 gets better each time!
Can’t believe you spoiled the ending.
FUCK YOU, *removes your clash*
Ash: I've found a couple potential operatives from the Israeli Defense forces that could be an asset to rainbow
Harry: *hits blunt* I found a girl with a grappling hook. Its awesomeness.
I hate how they will probably never add Israeli ops since it'd trigger some arab players/people who think they're woke cause they feel the need to mention how much they hate Israel at any chance possible.
Also it always bothered me how Ash's bio says she was in Shaldag, which is a unit that doesn't accept women.
stanleythedoggy yo fuck Israel nigga
@UC7cVBbTNVcCAFs5HmMkAvAw a quick question, why would you say that?
@@stanleythedoggy why don't we add North Korean operators while we're at it eh
@@itspaddyd I mean, Israelis were in the original books from what I understand (Mosad), so it makes sense. Plus it's pretty well known for counter terrorism. Not trying to take a side here politically, just saying it's something I'd like to see.
Vanilla operators: we value head protection.
Every operator past blood orchid: lmao what’s a H E L M E T ?
notagoodone idk why but I actually feel safer with the vanilla ops than with the new ones.
Except pulse, for some reason he loves rocking that chrome dome
None of the SAS operators has head protection
Gridlock is a 3 speed,and she barely has a vest
@@ricardoricardo833 Its the diabetes that makes Gridlock slow
Me: "NO YOU CAN'T JUST ADD OPERATORS THAT DONT MAKE SENSE!"
Harry: "haha iana hologram go woosh"
She is an astronaut tho, which means she had to have been a military jet pilot for some years....
@@George_Rakkas did neil armstrong carry a gun with him
@@robertgarthwaiteiv7897 a military jet pilot would know how to use a gun yes.
@@robertgarthwaiteiv7897 and Neil Armstrong was a US Navy lieutenant so yes
@@George_Rakkas i asked if he carried a gun into space with him, so "yes" would be incorrect
I remember back in the day talking bout IQ's purple shoes. We had no idea...
Ah the days.
I don’t need sleep. I need answers
Also why the GSG 9 operators use... jeans??? I mean is that allowed irl??
@@Licho___ from what ppl said, they're kinda like a rapid response unit thing. They walk around as a civvie before they get called up on the spot. You know, mobility.
Licho They’re based on undercover operatives that needed to spring into action
Harry-“so Iana what do you bring to six?"
Iana-“well despite the fact that I’m virtually blind and have no combat experience and work as an astronaut, I have a life like hologram"
Harry-“we already have alibi”
Iana-“I’m also dummy thicc”
Harry-“ *you’re in* “
@Zweigling Lol
The Deadpool interview in the 2nd movie comes to mind. ua-cam.com/video/YuQBTcE_CMk/v-deo.html
Sold.
She isnt thick tho
Ege yes she is
I agree with the whole Iana thing. Her bio doesn’t even mention any military or police work or any desire to do so and she ends up on team rainbow instantly
However I do enjoy the updated bios giving the ops more personality and relationship
Well it mentions that she wanted to be in the air force at one point, but she couldn't pilot because of her being an albino. Even so, that cuts her interest in military really thin, since it's implied that it's a means to an end of going to space.
Omg yes, she literally just went to military school and is in rainbow TF?
@@StruggleGaming well if I was head of rainbow and I saw an individual who went to military school but had no real experience, I wouldn't put them in any special operations unit that's for sure. However, if I saw that individual create an astounding piece of technology that can absolutely be useful in operations, I would recruit said individual... I just wouldn't give them a gun and put them on frontlines in any breach and clear situation... more like a back operator that scouts ahead and confuses the enemy at the same time.
@@gutnaffs.3143 i would put em with Mira and tell her hey, you two make some cool shit
3:34 They just absolutely gave up with designing her gadget. It’s literally just a PC fan
Gregor: hurting people is bad
Fuze: I've never heard such stupidity in my life
It's his mains just don't see the "escort" ping on their HUD. Not because he intentionally wants to kill innocent people.
"regardless of where your politics stand, everyone agrees; hurting people is wrong"
*Fuze Sweats Nervously*
Meris I’ll fuckin do it again
*Fuze* - "Terrorists aren't people."
@@levvy3006
"Hostages aren't people"
@@aristotlepovey9866 *POONK POONK POONK POONK*
@@firstnamelastname9205 hostage is KIA
I can't wait for the Thai operator later in the season. The person is just a chef making pad Thai in a restaurant and all of a sudden they have an AK47 with pet alligators as a gadget.
I want to see this happen.
Ill come back to this comment on how accurate it will be because that seems very likely
I was thinking more on the lines of Female operator whose gadget was a secret dick
Defense Operator: Noodle
Nationality: Thai
2 Armor / 2 Speed
Gadget: Oasis
Noodle can place down 3 instances of her holographic "Oasis" projector to create accurate-looking ponds on the map that are irresistible to the local alligator populations. Attackers unlucky enough to step near an "Oasis" projector are likely to be attacked.
I was thinking the Thai operator would please the SJWs by making the operator Transgender. Because you know Ubisoft is SJW 🙄
Next season's operator: so yeah Harry literally found an alien from outer space
and hes somehow affiliated with egypts counter terrorism force
@@foxprazision1695 no, with their space force.
@@c4seygr803 No, their army orchestra.
@@holdguard4624 oh god
Samuel L. Jackson: All characters must have a gadget
Oryx: I am *the gadget*
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: remember when it was considered a big deal that Jäger managed to engineer an ADS of such a small size and it was something he was proud of? And now we have all these sci-fi gadgets that make his look like a school project.
jager junior who some how mag a magnetic drone thing that only and instantly attaches to fucking grenades
Idk. Jagers gadget still is a bit fictional tbf. But I guess you mean that at least it made more sense than the new gadgets.
Jorge Ramirez he’s saying a big deal was made about it in his video because it was fictional. Now it’s no big deal when someone walks in with complete sci-fi tech.
RochRich isn’t jaeger shrinking down an ADS instantly outclassed by pulses heart beat monitor through solid concrete walls
@@LivicLivic no super magnet in the world of that size could pull a metal object being thrown against it, towards it, from 10 feet away, with any amount of electrical current within itself, let alone something so small it would run on fucking triple A batteries at best
Harry: * sees a rat with a knife tied to its back *
*YOU'RE ON THE TEAM*
Hires a hobo as a ratmaster
Hey, watch it!!!
That rat’s name is Cav!!!
Or that crab with a knife from that old internet video!
Codename: Master Splinter.
3 years after Rat Knife's release his prep phase instakill has been nerfed to 1 damage but with "infinte recharges"
I wish they made more ops like Oryx or Cav, where their "gadget" isn't actually some wacko techological shit and it's just the result of them being really good at their jobs
Oryx be real life hulk doe
cav is literately human rights violations personified
Harry: sees a rumba with a knife duck taped to it
*your hired*
I thought it's Twitch rework
Duck tape
@@JamesJamesW r u m b a
How about we stick C4 to it?
...
Flores: Hi.
Harry: YOU'RE HIRED!
I don't know why but this fucking made me crack up. Just a fucking robot with a fucking pistol and a Rube Goldberg contraption on it to pull the trigger or a fucking knife aaaaa XD
Lore-wise I actually dislike how they renamed T-Hunt as “training grounds” or whatnot. Wasn’t T-Hunt the *real* operations while the multiplayer was the training simulation?
Meh, it's scuffed both ways, imo. It makes no sense to say the multiplayer is training for terrorist hunt, because the White Masks don't act like Rainbow and don't use really any of the same tactics or gadgets (they reinforce, used nitro cells and barbed wire, but there are no Mute jammers or ADS's). And it makes no sense to call terrorist hunt "training", since hunt is a fundamentally different mode to versus. At most, hunt helps you maybe aim quicker?
it makes it clearer for new players. it might even suggest that they plan to rework that gamemode. lore wise its shit.
@@theroyle7098 yeah pretty much
@@0lionheart keep in mind that team rainbow also defends Against terrorists
@@0lionheart Realistically it makes very little sense. Rainbow (presumably, never read the books pls no kil) operates in permissive environments (and GR in non-permissive, SHD in post-apocalyptic, 4E in clandestine, deniable type stuff, just a little theory thing there). Think suburban LA, not Fallujah. Defending against terrorists would be an almost completely impossible situation to occur (unless of course there's a civil war or something which turns it into non-permissive).
However, one of the cinematics in the game mentions that Rainbow was activated for a completely new threat, where the terrorists (presumably) has tech equivalent to Rainbow. Looking at everything I think this fucked narrative/lore is a result of them trying to scavenge elements from Patriots (what Siege was going to be but they scrubbed it).
Anyway, as objectively as I can, I will say Siege is kind of a well made game (albeit lacking in bug fixing, attention to detail I've come to expect from AAA titles, and even performance) , but it feels like its more of the developers' game than the players' at this point.
Harry: so what makes you special?
Oryx: i snort 50 tubs of gfuel a day and im ripped
Harry: what
Orxy: what
Comedy king
What
What?
hes not snorting gfuel hes snorting kool-aid
"Is Siege an anime?"
Literally a month later Girls Frontline and Arknights devs announce collab with Ubisoft. So probably yea
Edit: Arknights developers just announced collab event with Siege (planned on first half of 2021)
@cheese and crackers Girls Frontline and Arknights are both anime mobile games, and both of them announced collabaration with Ubisoft around the same time. This meant that both of these games could have held a crossover event with some of the Ubi games, including Siege (Well at least at the time I was writing this)
@@sBinnotto really? Lol
@@kpb8743 Aight back with an update, the game arknights launched the collab event with R6 titled "originium dust".
Ironically the anime game paid more love and respect to the source material by adding 4 of the undoubtably most grounded operators into the game,
1. Ash
2. Blitz
3. Tachanka (reworked version)
4. Frost
To give even more lore accuracy to the collab game, Tachanka, 180 cm spetznaz operative was classified as "standard" under physical strength, when back on earth he'd be outstanding.
Because to be considered "outstanding" in physical strength requires that you can create earthquakes with your fist (look up the charcater bio of Mountain).
Explosives and bullets in arknights literally require an expensive rock as fuel and the ability to use magic, because gun powder and dynamite don't exist in arknights. This later stumps the weapons engineers in arknights when Tachanka tells them the way to make Shumikha ammo, which requires nitrocellulose to be incendiary.
@@gamingrex2930 thanks for the information..but I dont play siege anymore, it has been 5 months, sorry.
@@kpb8743 Play arknights instead, or at least catch up with the ost and lore, it's a really really amazing fictional world.
Lol imagine if they they suddenly release Harry as an operator with an exosuit.
@And-Nonymous the exosuit allows him to teleport anywhere instantly and regen 50 health per second with no head hitbox. Ubisoft would probably say that he is competitivly viable
ngl that would probably be better at this point, harry probably knows some stuff, so a harry being carried by a mech is... *possible*
About that...
Just got approved to join team rainbow, and it's all thanks to my ability to fry bacon shirtless without getting burned!
@@austin529 you're weird
Harry: *Youre in*
TGR_BAILOUT counter to capitao and goyo
Impossible. We all know that the universe itself bends and twists to make you spill the oil all over yourself unless you have clothing on.
@@Peztllence oh it's gets on me, but I remain unscathed
Gregor: Thatcher is old AF
Sam Fisher: Hold my spy cams
Kaid too
Just wanted to say that 'The only thing I feel when I pull the trigger is the recoil' is actually a quote from Simo Hayha, the sniper with the most confirmed kill of all times.
You’re not God bro
@@desireheard3540 How'd you work that one out pal
Oryx’s thing is actually he can take his feet off the ground
He's surpassed the gods with the ability to jump
Yuri Unlucky he’s surpassed Ubisoft devs FINALLY
I mean you're not going to be bunny hopping around like a monkey in the real world as a special operator for the SEALs or whatever, are you? unless you are vaulting over something which can be done in siege too
Steven Cai try me
Steven Cai I’ll bhop and hit an awp down mid
I think my biggest gripes were with how they handled the bios, and Six. The bios were as you said, actual government files and I liked that feeling. It was when Vigil and Dokkaebi were added when they lost me on that. Even if the story is good like Lion's, it shouldn't read like a Deviant Art character bio.
After that, it was the swapping out of Six. Old Six was perfect. She was staunch, professional, but obviously had a care and passion for Team Rainbow and their mission. Suddenly replacing her with a skinny hipster guy who doesn't keep knives in his house because his wife doesn't like it? He's the one leading an international counter-terror unit?
Despite this I like where the newly updated bios are going. They still have the general overview, a general psych evaluation, and then an in-depth analysis by Harry, where he can explore their personal struggles, relationships and concerns. In my head I see him less as Six and more of Rainbow's personal counselor, he's their shrink.
I've accepted R6 Siege isn't the realistic somewhat arcadey shooter it started out as, but I don't think it has to completely throw away that old tone either.
Harry is goddamn cringy
I miss Angela Bassett too :(
the why i loved nokk's bio...redacted...redacted..redacted xD come on she is a secret op and we basically know that shes been is this and this opertaion, it makes sense this way
@@exoblade7620 Ehh, Nokk is ok, but her's read like a bad SCP page. Where the writer thinks that they're creating mystery by making even the most mundane thing like WEIGHT redacted. It's just lazy.
I think they had to swap Six because they couldnt afford to get good actors consistently to record a few lines every couple months, but yeah i think anyone but harry would’ve been a better fit.
"The only thing i feel when I pull the trigger is recoil" is actually a quote from white death, which is a real sniper that fought in the cold war (?)
Simo Hayha was a Finnish sniper that fought in the winter war
I mean when you kill people in real life like feeling just taking a life. Well white death just like. Oo an enemy ded. Ok
White Death was a Finnish sniper that fought in the Winter war between Finland and the Soviet Union just before the start of WWII.
I recognize the quote in the form of a reply; story goes a journalist was interviewing a U.S. sniper, trying to squeeze some juicy commentary to pick apart out of him.
"What do you feel when you shoot a terrorist?"
"Recoil." He responded.
Apparently this is just an anecdote and similar little sentiments floated around during the Vietnam War.
I took this from Snopes, which makes no mention of Simo Häyhä.
I figure he probably didn't say it and this is merely a case of two stories merging. But all I'm basing this on is my very limited understanding of his personality, so for all I know, he might have said it.
He certainly fought in *a* cold war, that's for sure.
@@vaclavjebavy5118 oh ok, thats awesome! Thanks for the reply and explanation! Learning is always good.
No one:
Gregor: “Thatcher is a boomer and siege is an anime.”
No one: = funni
The problem with “lore” in Siege (and similarly, Overwatch) is that none of it matters when all the “good guys” do is fight each other. So the game is what? One big never-ending training exercise? The “lore” is so divorced from the fundamental gameplay as to render it irrelevant.
The online matches supposedly take place in simulations (VR or some shit) to train the operators for the terrorist hunt missions. Hopefully this helps you understand what the fuck is going on in this game
Tyler Guiney that makes even less sense, so 99% of the gameplay is training for a mode nobody plays but is allegedly Team Rainbow’s primary reason for existing
@@Xenomrph I don't decide what happens but yes they practice in simulations and then go kill terrorists. Sorry if that's confusing but that's just how it is
Here you're running into the wall that exists between the marketing reason the game exists, and the reasons the game invents for existing, within the game.
Siege was multiplayer-only to glom onto the hero-shooter genre, simple as that. I like the concept. But this should have been the multiplayer concept backing a solid single-player too. Ubisoft didn't want to build one, and here we are.
@@Xenomrph I mean, the CGI trailer the Hammer and Scalpel show that aspect of training and the point of the training is that to use whatever others see or look down on (in that case Dokkaebi looking down on Thatcher being angry all the time when he was dealing with his brother back home) and use it productively (Thatcher taking out his anger who wronged his brother). Yeah, this leaves most of them at each other's throats, but there is progress in setting their differences aside (Dokkaebi saving Thatcher from Caveira in a training session). No matter the Olympics part might be ridiculous, the interviews after the match with the operators kind of shed light who is getting along and who isn't.
The best arc was clearly Fuze's betrayal arc. Goddamn, I could feel his teammates anger and sadness as those hockey pucks entered the hostage room.
A classic anime betrayal. Shame, Fuze was doing so well.
@@maxmao3529 Even though it was cliche they did it so well
Bruuhhh.
Wait, what? Can you send me a link or something about that
@@markjim478 twas a joke my guy
My favorite ops from the style perspective are Lesion (very realistic, there's a action figure of a SDU which looks a lot like him), Lion, Mozzie and Ace. Each with a unique characterization and personality, without being a generic special forces op, like people on Reddit want in the game, like another Blackbeard (in appearance).
"hurting is bad"
Gregor absolutely dumping on kids with mp5
I miss the character introduction videos.
And I miss master qui-gon.We share your pain master kenobi
Nicholas Garcia damn you figured me out
@@sirawesomethethird8707 gonk
Yeah
me too 😥😥
The way siege has progressed reminds me of the fast and furious franchise. It went from racing cars to fighting cybercrime in cars
This is the perfect description of how Siege has changed lol. Like so perfect
The guy needs to pin this
I totally agree with you! And as much as I wish Siege would remain true to its core (as I did with the fast franchise) it’s impossible when trying to maintain and grow a player base or even a demographic. Racing cars and cops vs robbers gets boring after a while, and to keep people entertained you have to keep one upping it and adding more crazy edge of your seat content. The problem with that is after awhile it gets TOO crazy and that’s where both Siege and Fast are right now. Hell even Fortnite could be used as an example it went from a simple BR game to mechs and volcanos and boats and shit. Either you die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain.
@@clashblox1096 All they have to do was dd short mini campaigns for each operator that showcases before they joined Rainbow and why they were taken in.
Really this happens with any series that consistently sets the bar higher with every new tid bit they introduce. Also reminds me of the Payday series as well.
Season 1: oh yeah this guy has a breaching hammer and this guy has vests
Now: this woman has a drone hologram and this guy is just strong
Like what happened to the books and franchise
Cardiac Coder I mean the R6 series stopped being realism based and forgot about the books when they made R6: Vegas. The lack of realism in Siege isn’t new to the franchise.
@@KillerLettuce At least Remain SEMI REALISTIC. But ever since Maestro, realism says no.
They could announce the current R6 as a non cannon game... like a filler and keep SOME ops like thatcher, dokibe, doc, Maverick. Or ash, basically the most realistic, OR they could get the all the realistic ops set a limit and get the people to vote who to keep in the REALISTIC ops, ik I'm a old head OG book trilogy boomer. But it'd make it better
@@mik4209 Primarily they should remove Tom Clancy's name from this travesty.
its easier to think of it less tom clancy and more dale brown
finally someone speaks on this subject. i really wished it stuck to the idea that they were real counter terrorists while keeping some liberty to make the game fun.
I feel like Ubisoft completely forgot about the White Masks.
Rainbow Six at release: you’re all being gathered to fight a new and dangerous biochemical terrorist organization
Rainbow Six now: TOURNAMENT ARC
The tournament is basically Siege's beach episode.
Lorentz Coffin is it bad that I read your comment in Gigguk’s voice
Eh, they were boring antagonists anyways.
Ubisoft said that in the lore of the game. By the time of the outbreak game mode. All white mask threats have been eradicated.
It should have stuck to the manga tbh, everything fell off in the Outbreak Arc for me
Jeremy Nguyen The Velvet Shell arc adaptation was pretty damn good in my opinion
Bet you wouldn't think about lore when you retake sites don't ya
Bro cave is best girl, yandere wants to always hug you or knife you if you get away #waifu4laifu
Struggle Gaming is Gridlock classified as a monster girl
Alex Sprouse What about the Air cute one OVA
I'm glad to hear anyone talk about how 'suspension of disbelief' ruining Iana is. We went from emp and heart sensors to photo realistic perfectly controlled moon lady projections. A big oof. That said, let's not bring up the zombies thing.
As soon as he said "geek girl persona", i got an ad for hefty with john cena.
I think people forget that like... Rainbow 6 is a outfit that needs alot of different slots Filled. This ranges from the actual strike team to maintenance to HR to Psych reviews to Tech development. From what I can tell in their bios, Alot of them don't actually go into the field as you much as you think they would.
Pulse and Ash go into the field. Seems pretty obvious.
but Castle doesn't really go into the field. He's one of rainbow six's Shrink.
Doc is pretty straight forward what his role is.
Amaru is for when they capture artwork, artifacts from terrorist cells trying to sell them.
Jager and his band are the Helicopter flight crew. Could they breach and clear? Yes. Do they? Probably not. They are too busy flying around as a mobile transport.
Echo, Dokka, Mute, Mira, Twitch, Thermite etc are on the Research and Development team.
Valkyrie, Ela and etc gather intelligence on an variety of targets.
Based upon the latest research of contact lenses, Yana's gadget is just somewhat futuristic but it's getting there. Google and DARPA has gotten pretty close to it in the rough design. Including auto-correcting what Gregor pointed out as weaknesses in being albino. Her drones/hologram activation are similar to a presentation from the early 2010's for coordination of flying drones. And the holograms are just expanding upon Alibi's existing one.
However that doesn't mean just because the operators don't go into the field often you want to invade the headquarters while Ash and her strike team are away. You'll still get mowed down.
This is... very detailed and I like it, honestly very understandable. What I'm getting is that from a lore standpoint they dont all do the gunplay, it's only a side gig for operators, with their main job being a certain quirk like tech which makes sense in my opinion.
Thank you for the info on irl Yana gadget btw, did not know about google doing all this contacts gadget shit, and makes it feel just a slight bit more realistic to me.
Oryx jumping like 40 feet is still beyond me though
Waltfield this is the right take, they clearly only need flipper man (Wamai) when the situation is aquatic and Mr.Suit&Tie (Warden) when they have to protect a VIP. These guys definitely aren’t out there busting down doors but they’re still valuable to r6.
So janitor confirmed for next season?
@@YTJustice69 front desk lol
Hell yeah man. Love this comment.
Gregor missed a huge opportunity when saying "She's albino which is... fine" when he should have said "She's albino and that's... al-fine-o"
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“The only thing that I feel when I pull the trigger is recoil.”
-Megamind
There is a difference between aesthetic realism vs realistic gameplay
R6S was aesthetically realistic, but now that was thrown out the windom and the game is just a mockery of real life warfare
And not in the bf4 fun way either
That's my gripes with how Ubisoft is doing with Tom Clancy. It doesn't have to be realistic to the letter and in every aspect , that's impossible. Just be semi and authentically realistic in terms of lore, tone and story.
The gameplay really isnt realistic anymore either with all the holograms and shit... Finkas seld revive, all of the new bs gadgets
@@tomtomtom6970 Finka's technology is already part of military research, it will be possible in a few years time. Iana's though? Not in a million years.
Agreed
@@memecliparchives2254 makes sense
If Siege is tossing realism out the window than I want Ubisoft to add time travel and bring some historical badasses into the mix. I want to play as Jack Churchill and attack the defending team with a goddamn long sword and long bow.
Bro i would come in as an op with a fucking club and just BONK the living shit out of all the other ops. Who needs a gun when u have primal clothing and a club aimiright?
Imagine they added a defender that was just Andre the Giant.
@@maxmao3529 *SHUGOKI*
if they ever ad shugoki he should be a fuckin 12 armor
@@itzplant3196 yes 12 armor with a giant fucking pole but can only move at .1 speed. He'd be a good distraction also a good person to block doorways
Hell yeah
When you remember this game was inspired by books.
Damn.
The sacred texts
Read the book and could not find a lot of similarities to the game.
Jonas Seorum the only similarity’s are some maps are like locations in the book(Bank, Chalet, stadium etc) and they have a character nicknamed Doc.
Siege isn't inspired by the book. The original Rainbow Six was made along side the book
*book. There's only one book, unless they wrote some new R6 books I didnt know about. The only thing Siege has in common with the book is the name.
"Oryx's thing is just that he's a genetic freakzoid", wow they just copied Sledge's bio smh
That should’ve been his bio quote
*”I AM THE GADGET”*
Idk dude that health arc was really weird. At times it felt like the world was literally falling apart :/
Idk man, the world seems to be getting screwed up again, over the course of multiple arcs. Is there an underlying story we're missing? Perhaps we will receive some form of "Health 2: The Healthening" to put it back into place.
Idk man, I think the health arc was a good idea on paper trying to give better character development to the operators, but it ended up turning itself into a shitshow. Nevertheless, its a good arc to go back to once in awhile to appreciate and meme the fuck out of it. Thank you for coming to my TED talk, my name is Daniel and I hope you have a wonderful day :)
Man the alien arc was out of this world
Let's look at the originals:
Doc: A trained combat medic.
Thatcher: An extremely experienced war veteran.
Ash: Athletic woman born in a violent area, trained through her life to be a ranged demolitions expert.
Jäger: Former army pilot who then joined the police.
Bandit: Undercover police. Infiltrates criminal camps in disguise to get information.
Buck: A hunter from Canada who joined the army.
Blackbeard: A dude who thought the Seals were so cool, he wanted to become a Seal.
Now, time for the new ones:
Finka: Literally dying.
Nomad: Disabled.
Gridlock: Obese.
Kali: Criminal mercenary that they hired for... for what, again?
Wamai: Criminal Marvel superhero looking guy using some sci-fi Wakanda technology, that they also hired.
Iana: A fake astronaut who has NEVER had combat training.
Oryx: LITERALLY BANE, FROM BATMAN!
I would say nomad is fine, but everything else is correct.
@@maxmao3529 yeah she is just missing some finger joints
Buck was always in the army
He never joined the police
Also Buck is not American........
The outbreak arc was obviously unrealistic but it still felt in keeping with the themes of the game at that time because of how gritty and grounded it managed to be
Siege release -car battery and sledge hammer
Siege now- an archaeologist with a grappling gun and lasers
Rainbow six in early years: Operator with sledge hammer
Rainbow Six Now: Literal moving hologram
I'd be pissed if Sledge, Castle, or IQ was a introduced as new DLC operators. Or if Kali and Kaid were vanilla ops instead of Bandit and Glaz (not saying they are better but their gadgets just seem more unrefined). They are solid but boring in terms of "new" content.
10:22 well ubisoft is getting rid of the whole "real factions" aspect it seems. nighthaven is some made up PMC. iana is from some made up european space junkies, and oryx is put down as unaffiliated (even though hes like second in command of fortress or something).
also oryx disappearing for 15 years off all records and coming back ripped as fuck means hes pretty much bane.
He went to a steroid cave somewhere in the fucking desert
Also, why would you fucking hire someone who has been missing for 15 fucking years. No organization would hire someone like this, because they don't know half of his goddamn life. Makes no sense whatsoever.
@@kyuace9879 actually they "answered" that
"Oryx was a different story. ... those 15 years where he disappeared from local AND international records give me pause. ... The problem is, he’s a mystery, and I don’t like mysteries in my line of work. They give me ulcers. But, as a part of the team, I’d much rather he was on my side than someone else’s."
-miles "castle" campbell
and for nighthaven hary also said that he brought them on because he didnt want anyone else hiring them. so the common theme seems "we have to recruit them before someone else does". (even though most militaries dont add ex-pmcs to their ranks because the fact that they work for money means their loyalties can be compromised)
@@thescoutcommando24 "I’d much rather he was on my side than someone else’s." doesn't make much sense. Because if he's gone 15 years how the hell do you know he's not on someone else's side and you've just let some undercover agent into Rainbow?
Nighthaven makes sense because PMCs actually do a lot of pirate hunting today and have been involved in much counter-terrorism. The problem is that real PMCs are just corporate goons, not government operatives that stand for something. The real PMCs in the world have committed many war crimes and are too controversial to be included in Siege. The bio for Nighthaven somewhat references this when it's said the Harry reached out to them largely because he didn't want anyone else to use their "services".
Oryx makes sense as a representation of freedom fighters in the Middle East who actually help UN peacekeepers fight against terrorist cells. Today, many of these freedom cells actually make up the "boots on the ground" infantry against cells like ISIS. We send them to fight for us and support them with artillery/drone strikes while keeping our own forces as much out of the fray as possible. Make sense that Oryx's skill is just "being strong and doing the leg work" it's exactly what factions like Kurds actually do.
Iana is just made up shit meant to appease people who don't like the fact that Oryx is brown. It's like they came up with the whitest character possible to make up for how many "ethnic" characters they have been adding up until now.
*Man uses trash can lid as a shield* Harry: Your on the team
I think the characters like Iana and Amaru would still be involved in the training simulations (multiplayer) but wouldn't be involved in the actual swat situations since Iana would probably be working in the rainbow R&D and Amaru would probably be working intelligence but would still need a degree of weapons training since circumstances can always arise where they are needed or need to defend themselves.
The best analogy I could come up with this is if in extraction the R&D department on the ship they are all on gets attacked by zombies and they are gonna need as many people to be prepared for that situation.
Harry got all his knowledge of police work from earlier _Rainbow Six_ games and doesn't know there are defense analysts and technicians on task forces who _don't_ kick down doors and shoot terrorists every day
Everyone from the HR manager to the intern in the mailroom is on Harry's short-list for stopping the next Nine-Eleven
Damn straight. "You know the new intern? Yeah give him a gun and he's gonna be the next big thing" Operation get my boss coffee.
how the hecc did you do italics
Harry: "You, I need you to resolve that hostage situation at the embassy."
Janitor: "but sir, I'm only a jani-"
Harry: *hands over an assault rifle* "Just go!"
@Khaffit *I* -never- _knew_ *that*
@Khaffit *_-But can you do all three?-_*
Next operator: red hair, high school outfit and shoot emeralds
Is that a...
Menacing
@@kjtherainbowguy no
If they get hit by sledge they fly into the nearest water tower
Is his gadget becoming a donut?
I feel like every time there is a new operator in the game, they never “fit in.”
Especially now
Yea fucking robot lady and her laser gate
Just the symptom of the fact that they only keep designing and making new character for money because they know ppl will buy them, esp when they r inevitability "broken" and op at first. Actual game design and balance and reason has taken a faaar back seat to "we need to make new anime girl to sell to the fat sweaty seigeweebs"
Someone: *Does a backflip*
Harry: You're in!
“Despite politics there’s a person from Israel and a person from Jordan on the same team”
And yet, Ubi still seems scared to an Israeli CTU in the game.
It can be dangerous for any entity to legitimize the nations of Israel/Palestine
Ash is an Israeli
JayPG I mean yes but still no. Ignoring the fact that, whiles it’s not the same, Spetsnaz has killed civilians in many cases (which they proceeded to turn into a character trait of fuze and then a meme), BOPE has been referred as a “death squad” for their penchant for extrajudicial executions, etc. Its not UBI is shy about controversial subjects and they’ve already legitimized Israel by Ash existing. It would be one thing (not a necessarily better thing) if they just stayed away from that conflict entirely but the inclusion of Ash as a half hearted attempt to play to both sides just feels like a tease.
@@j97n75 Israel is an internationally recognized country in the United Nations
Not sure how you need to be "legitimize" when you're on the UN
@@demanischaffer Not necessarily disagreeing, but it should be noted that just because the UN recognizes a country, it doesn't mean all UN members recognize them, North and South Korea being a preeminate example. Also, I really want them to add Israeli and Palestinian operators at the same time, just to see the internet clusterfuck that ensues.
Look man, I stopped thinking this game was trying to be realistic when they started fighting parasitic space zombies.
Finally someone gets it.
StormStriker dont forget theyre soviet parasitic space zombies from New Mexico
RaRted 2.0 Cuz I got banned for some reason from S P A C E . And handled better than Covid-19 at that
Jesse R well you can shoot zombies
RaRted 2.0 Cuz I got banned for some reason lmao why can’t you shoot ppl, j look at North Korean
I love how geographically diverse the Rainbow lineup is but when an operator isn’t attached to a real-life CTU it’s hard for me to take interest in them... they no longer feel like trained professionals and distance them from the Real parts of the game and lore that I love.
maverick is very inclusive i love how they represented all the homeless folks out there
I’ve noticed that the new ops consistently keep getting less and less military or law enforcement-esque. personally i really dig realistic and tactical looks vs whatever the hell the new ops have
I say the last 6 added operators are just visually the most anime and least realistic but i do agree with you.
That’s the main reason why I stopped playing Rainbow Six because it does not seem grounded anymore it seems like the next season we are going to have someone with a sidekick that is a dog and it can speak English and can track enemy’s or some dumb shit.
Exactly, HOW DO YOU GROUP MAVERICK AND CLASH TOGETHER????
@@curytrash1832 The Chad Maverick vs the Virgin Clash
@TrolleyXLakers __ Yeah right??? I loved the way they implemented BOPE into the game why couldn't they do it with other not-so known CTUs in real life????
Personally i think ubi tries to make a similar environment like overwatch where theres lore for everything and its getting to a weird point
exactly, like what even is the point if there are no story missions?
Overwatch is another good example. Personally, I love the bits of Overwatch that could come straight out of Infinity. I think it's awesome that Winston is a gorilla uplifted to human intelligence, because if we ever uplift another species to human intelligence it's going to be a gorilla. But the same game has Wrecking Ball, a stupid, ugly character that makes no sense. There will never be a smart hamster, because you can't physically fit or feed enough brains in a hamster to make it smart.
@@alexholker1309 Your comment doesn't even try to make sense
@@Sasaroly There's a near-future sci-fi game called Infinity. Winston is a good near-future sci-fi character concept. Wrecking Ball isn't a good near-future sci-fi character concept.
Beza Abiy They're trying to build recognizable characters.
You pull in a larger player base and can market better and sell more cosmetics when your character designs are cartoony and out there.
3:59 sums the video up perfectly up perfectly
“The only thing I feel...” quote is straight up on a USMC challenge coin. It is legit
Lions uniform is similar to what we have worn in Biosafety Labs. Minus the over suit but he does have taped wrists probably two gloves under it along with more than one layer of clothing and lastly a fully covered respirating mask that shields eyes, nose and mouth from airborne pathogens. Thats actually pretty normal for bio safety soldier uniforms.
god, he must be fucking boiling under all that
@@ffoulkes usually when you take the gloves off they are pretty lubed up from the environment. But they like to keep labs very cold it helps to prevent pathogen growth.
Anthomony you over gone on a run in CBRN 4A, now that gets you fucking sweating
Anthomony What got me was the fact that the ears are not covered with his mask, isn’t that no bueno?
@@slavsupreme5129 It can be but usually it isn't because ear wax is such an effective anti-microbe defense. Infection is easier through eyes, nose, mouth and urogenital orifices. Though in extreme cases I am sure ears will need protecting too.
I think it's great that someone else appreciates Maverick's story as much as I do.
He's the perfect of example of semi realism I'm talking about on what Siege operators should be in the level of grounded and believability.
I think his character is based off of the Army Green Beret mission in Afghanistan where they were the first one's in Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks. The mission was classified for a decade but it was recently released saying that they used horses with a local Afghani militia to travel and even used them in battle.
10:13
My dude lmao
"Hold Caps Lock To Remove Gu Needle"
Tom CLancy be spinnin' so goddamn fast now that you could generate infinite energy from him
Harry: So, what makes you special ?
Oryx: I take off faster than Jagger's helicopter
Harry: What ?
Oryx: What ?
Took off faster than Jager's acog being removed
@@MarksterC It hurts
Jaeger: What?
Soliye Moves like Jagger
Tbh, I thought Maverick’s backstory was a Iron Man reference.
Also, this is probably my favorite video you’ve made.
It's nothing like iron man...
@@0uttaS1TE yeah, I thought that when I first read it
Francisco Martel same here he’s like a modern Laurence of Arabia
@@0uttaS1TE Yeah that was my take too. It says in his psyche profile that he seems to have his mind always set in Kabul and that he's super passionate about it.
This, I feel this so much. In the beginning it was like, yeah real organizations, real enough situations and operators.
As an overwatch player, the game that is an anime, y’all were slow getting your space scientist onto the battlefield. Sigma, an clinically insane man who like gravity came in a year ago to fight crime
TF are you talking about? Sigma is literally drawn into Talon. Although that still does not change the fact that OW lore became a joke at some point recently.
@cheese and crackers Caveira lesbian reveal when
He's also Dutch like Iana, strangely enough.
I caught on to this idea when they added clash.
She’s a beat cop.
From the UK.
With a shocky shield.
Wtf is she doing next to a SEAL and getting introduced at the same time as a dude from “Definitely not Delta”..??
There's always been police. Monty, bandit, and Jäger is just an engineer. Remember this is a only a simulation and not every op will be in the front lines and are most likely just to help the others train.
The GSG-9 and GIGN are universally recognized as world-class CTUs. Really, all the base ops came from highly prestigious military orgs, and then they added clash and realized they couldn’t just add another SAS op so they went with a cop, for some reason, and made all the Royal Marines sad bois
Matt Shap I see I have shooters out here 🤙🤙
@@joea7590 GIGN isn't part of a "police force" per say
GIGN is the tactical arm of the Gendarmerie nationale which is under the French Military
And GSG-9 is built from the ground up to be a counter terrorism team to handle major threats, as German law prevents the military from doing so, and the name "Grenzschutzgruppe 9" was kind of a cover since it really wasn't a border protection team and had no connection to the 8 others
The brutal truth? Diversity. Literally why half the ops exist, hell grom doesnt allow female ops to the front lines yet, i can only bet political reasons, both polish ops are grom and female. At least they got grom right. But yeah, diversity is a legitimate wnough co cern to whip up magical characters, that could have been inserted... In a legitimate way...
Basicall:, Ubi, stop trying so hard to come up with cool bios for your operators, the cooler they are the less relatable they become.
But yeah, coalitions are cool, coolest guy I met while overseas was a coalition lieutenant, idk what country, didnt care, probably fresh out of officer school, gave him a ride in some of our trucks and tanks, was super cool throughout the demonstration
If they were in the same style as the vanilla ops it would get boring and repetitive
They have to do something crazy and different if they wanna keep the game at least half interesting
@05kar1 yeah fr, wyzard watchu mean dog,i guess we are different but i wasnt bored until they did this shit,i honestly dont even play anymore because of how its being changed
I was fine watching this video until I realized that this mans uses *CAPS* *LOCK* TO BARRICADE
Wait till he sees aruni
Siege at release: You are an elite multinational counter-terrorist unit reactivated to combat the world's greatest multinational, globular terrorist threat with extreme prejudice and skill.
Siege now: What about the fukin olympics but it has guns lol
Ironically enough, I was interested in reading operator bios back in the earlier years/seasons. Now I don’t even bother with these new ops and their dramatic backstories.
I think it started with Lesion and them writing him like he got fuckin superpowers and shit inhaling toxic fumes as a kid. Normally that would result in asphyxiation and death, not superpowers
Honestly, the funniest takeaway about all this is now Operators haven't hid their faces in a long ass time even though they're supposed to be anonymous Operators.
@@icyrazor if they hide their faces, ubisoft won't be able to make any money from skins of them.
5:26 the thing is, im a huge fan of sci-fi more even than modern era stuff, but what rainbow had before felt like a top notch realistic art style and now and now it just feels like a very meh near future game. for example yägers gadjet, yeah hes trained to use guns and stuff but hes also an amazing engineer and managed to make an already existing system way smaller giving it a whole new use, thats just the right amount of high tech and hes considered a big brain boio for making that he even brags about it in his operator vid, now introduce yana who doesnt even seem to be proud that she made a fucking moving independent hologram with cameras. the cool thing about science fiction is that sometimes the writters give alot of detail to how humanity has progressed technologically, its kind of the more ''realistic'' counterpart to fantasy, like when you want all the possiblities that fantasy brings but you want it velibable. now setting a game in the present and making all these futuristic stuff just ''the product of privileged minds'' is just the worst from every world, it has the unvelibability of fantasy, makes other more velibable operators look dumb in comparison and is just a poor example of scfi.
in conclusion IN MY OPINION its not about the time its set in its about how thoghtfull the justification for everything is, and in a modern setting things that futuristic cant be put in without forcing the suspension of disbelief real hard
It's nice coming back to this video every once in a while.
My favorite arc from the anime Rainbow 6: Siege, is the cowboy arc. Made no sense. And it’s just filler, but that’s alright because I get to see an Italian man with a cowboy hat.
IMO, I think as time went on the gadgets got a little... out there. Eventually someone asks: How the hell do holograms work? Or NANOMACHINES (looking at you Finka). Honestly, I really like Oryx because he’s a step back. A more basic operator. As such he can be written more realistically. Besides Finka, Iana, Alibi, and any other op with a futuristic gadget, the worst offenders are probably Nighthaven. I mean, why the fuck does Harry employ MERCENARIES when he has access to the literal best of the best in global CTUs.
Then you got that whole “Siege Olympics” thing. R6S was supposed to be a secretive organization. Then Harry threw that in the garbage, lit it on fire, then pissed on the fire.
The Teletrap I think iana is to sci fi but albi’s gadget is just a mini projector and finial puts the nanomachines into her teams blood before the operation starts but Iana is made up
Finka is somewhat understandable, unlike Iana and Alibi, also Vigil and Lesion
DeadWinD lesion is just a poison needle on the ground. The camouflage is similar to what we’re trying to make with octopus skin. Vigil is literally just a jammer strapped to his back.
The Teletrap Finka’s nanomachines I think helped with her condition, looking back at Year 3 I already saw Echo say Alibi’s Prismas aren’t holograms they were described as something else, and Iana’s gadget is actually a hologram of herself.
There are already options of bots, that are designed to run through your veins, find cancer cell and do a micro explosion, that kills the cancer. Problem is, that it is so expensive, that no one can afford enough of those to cure them. So for me finka is pretty believable gadget, just give it few years and a lots of money.
I wonder what happened to the White Masks. The Last mention of anything related to them was when ash mentioned their attack on Bartlett in an Outbreak trailer. After that it's just Siege Olympics.
All of my irl friends who got me into the game have left. All of the friends I’ve made in the first two years of playing this game have left. The tactical realism this game released with is gone. This game was so unique and special for such a long time. Then sometime after operation health this game changed its identity from a tactically realistic swat game to an anime loving esport focused game.
This game has abandoned its foundation and its a game without an identity. And the identity it’s forming is stupid. I’ll be getting insurgency sandstorm when it comes to console and never looking back.
Siege: so this game is realistic
Also siege: H O L O G R A M S
Holograms are pretty doable nowadays tho, just not in the way Siege does it
@@juliet4093 yeah no , light cant emit shadow :/ no alibi no lana.
@@SuperUltimateLP still both operators are unique and if you wanna have a fun game that’s realistic it’s a hard scale to balance so you have to make sacrifices in realism for fun
aCtUaLlY iT's a vOlUmEtRiC dIsPlAy
I miss when ops had eye and hearing protection
And masks. Save for The FBI boys, all the base ops are masked up
@Khaffit that was one of the things in the original rainbow six book. They didn't want the terrorists to know that there was a elite multinational counter terrorist team. They would wear local uniforms when they had the chance and stuff like that.
thorthenerd yeah, shooting guns in doors and having no ear protections is gonna do some damage
@@austin529 Sorry I must have missed them, where are these thousands of negative comments?
Well tbh most CTUs today’s do not wear masks, they just walk around with OPSCORE FAST helmets and perhaps a pair of Oakleys. Even the SAS stopped using their gas masks.
Preach!!! Tom Clancy probably is rotating at 9000 rpm in his grave.
Man this is exactly the video I was looking for. I first played siege when the newest operators were Lion and Finka. Took a few years off and just came back to it. I was instantly struck by the weirdness of the operators now. I use to love the immersion of the realistic (ish) operators and the idea of strategy being placed over gadgets. Maybe this idea was just in my head but it feels sometimes like it’s less about planning and more about situationally one-upping each other with special gadgets. And also I miss the actual cinematics for operators. What the heck happened to the cool personalized clips for each operator.
Jackal’s gimmick was the first big deviation from realism, imo
Jackal just has a big foot fetisch
What feety trackers exist just the scan that's unrealistic
not hibbana or echo with invisible hovering drones that shoot mega sound blasts? or a half blind brazilian man with a crossbow?
@@adrevenue726 echo was when I started to question life its self not cuz its unrealistic but cuz it makes me suicidal every time it hits me
@Khaffit remove scanning of footsteps and give him a new ability that pares with him being able to see footsteps