I worked at GM for a couple years as an interior designer and interned at a lot of different companies as well, I now work at a different OEM as a designer and let me tell you this is the most accurate fucking shit I’ve ever heard from someone outside of design. We talk about this all the time but as designers we can’t do much. Design management, VPs and directors, CEOs often times push “the next version of high tech” on us at any cost without understanding you can only innovate a stupid ass touchscreen so much. We struggled so much with this in full size truck interior too because so many managers or directors had never even driven or lived with a truck, used or even knew what a trailer brake is, had to operate a vehicle with work gloves. You’re not on a couch sitting still with full view of what you’re doing, you’re piloting a fucking vehicle and looking out the windshield and multitasking, cars NEED shape coded buttons and knobs, it’s actually brain dead to argue otherwise. Combine out of touch management with fear of competition, everyone else looks at each other wondering who will pull out a dumber marketable gimmick or large touchscreen display to immediately try to copy and “stay competitive”. Problem is you have a ton of people moving into management and director positions that don’t even like cars or know the first thing about them calling the shots and acting like they’re going to be the next leader to push some dumbass hyper futuristic narrative so they can get a fat promotion and bonus without any regard for their product or brand absolutely going to shit. As designers we just have to cook up what the customer orders and can’t say or do anything about it. Oh and you’re also right, it is ABSOLUTELY cheaper to throw a touchscreen into something instead of develop a component button or knob. I’ve heard so many consumerpilled smartwatch wearing screen junkies say “but it’s actually more premium and you’re just afraid of the future and afraid of technology” - these are the people that are EXACTLY where automakers want them to be. A touchscreen can be commonized across every single model and is ridiculously cheap compared to developing complex switchgear with different trim levels, finishes, often even model-specific switchgear - it’s so much more expensive. It’s the same reason TVs are so cheap now, the demand has forced the tech to be so insanely affordable. I drive older cars and a lot of the older Audis that I’ve had often have extruded aluminum panel backs or the garnishes and trim pieces are laid over diecast aluminum for rigidity and quietness and stability of the applied material… now everything is just injection molded plastic shit everywhere you look. Seriously, get inside a modern MB or Audi or BMW or really anything for that matter and just start pressing shit. Everything creaks and cracks, it’s just plastic on plastic. Automakers trying to make it look like you have more features and gimmicks for increasingly less and less money is how we got where we are. These interiors don’t just feel cheap, they ACTUALLY ARE. Thanks for making this video, consumers standing up and saying we aren’t going to buy this dog shit you’re selling us anymore is the only way we can be allowed to design really great cars again. I say this all the time - we are innovating ourselves out of business.
Yea, that's what i have said as well. Buy cheaper luxurious cars with all full packages. Because you are no longer paying for materials in cars, what you are paying is managers, CEOs, and stakeholders.
I hate the screens because let's face it NONE of the automakers are going to get off their ass and fix a bricked system. Not to mention the updates to the system and potentially expanded memory needed for the updates.
I hate stupid calls like these. For example, I have a Cadillac but I can't seem to upgrade to their newest gen simply because of the interior design. A lot of interior design is lifeless. CT4 is just WTF (both interior and exterior). This is why I prefer the older styling because, it's styled. I mean, what's the point of buying a higher tier car when the interior is the same design as your workhorse tier basic level cars? They all look the same. Then you get this 33" screen of CT5 coming out (FINALLY!) only to hear that Lincoln is standardizing the 55" and they look a lot more unique and stylized to the car. THEN you see that Cadillac is actually offering the 55" screen only on the highest trim of an Escalade that costs 150k. I can't believe we're letting EVERY corporations charge 3x the cost of how things normally cost and they're having 5x profit margins. Buy 2nd hand everything. I'd rather put money on the next guy that took care of higher quality but older products than these pumped out trash that has planned schedule to crap out (planned obseletion)
@@Vincetagram I'd rather buttons and dials all day every day, easier to repair and if a dial for like say the AC fails it doesn't interfere with everything else, now if that screen fails and it's the entire dash now your car won't even work because of something that is unrelated to the operability of the vehicle to begin with. it's just a terrible design choice overall.
It's cheaper to program a button to work off a screen than to do the internal wiring and install actual buttons as well as insure those buttons and the overall wellbeing of the car. Its fake luxury and its cheaper for brands to use screens rather than buttons
Exactly my point🤝 I think luxury manufacturers shot themselves in the foot by making this the standard. By making pioneering the latest tech the new standard for luxury, it leveled the playing field because what car doesn’t have a screen with infotainment software that’s halfway decent nowadays? Some even offer a better UI than the luxury cars and since it’s cheaper to develop that kinda stuff, luxury manufacturers are facing stiffer competition from players that werenMt considered anywhere close to their level 5-10 years ago like acura, genesis, cadillac, and the likes.
The money they're saving by not having thousands of injection mold tools, circuit boards, and random electrical components, and a vast supply network is going into engine/power plant devlopment, vision systems, lane keep assist, NVH research, and the like.
@@Chavagnatzeyeah people are complaining there won’t be replacements parts for it later like manufacturers don’t discontinue majority of parts anyway lol
It's insane that those stupid screens arent regulated at all. It's illegal to use a phone while driving but somehow it's ok to have to fiddle through a temu ipad to change basic functions like the AC and windshield wipers, insane!!!!!!
I believe that this is just a push to make cars an appliance. 1. Engine reliability is getting worse. 2. Control is being forcefully taken away from the driver with all these new assists. 3. Manuals no longer tell you how to change your own oil, breaks, cabin air filters, or spark plugs. 4. Car design has slowly become needlessly more difficult to repair. 5. Repair guides are locked behind pay walls. 6. New innovations in cars have been boiled down to tech upgrades, self driving improvements, and more features that can be remotely controlled. Yes, some manufacturers are better than others, but all have done some or most of these things.
Yes! AND what no one talks about is how all of the "self driving improvements" is creating a new generation of young drivers who never really learn how to drive or how to pay attention when they're behind the wheel.
Man I just told my girlfriend the exact same thing a few days ago! Cars a merely appliances now. Im cursed at by customers one a daily basis because of the poor reliability of our cars and the cost of parts/repairs. One guy had a headlight fail and it cost $5800 for the assembly.
I love the ambient lights in my E43 AMG. I don't find them distracting at all but I keep the brightness fairly low. I'm also the kind of person who likes to keep all their lights fairly dim. Bright lights annoy me at night when I'm driving so take that for what you will. To be honest, I did think they would be distracting at first but I've yet to find that to be the case.
Brooooo, this is exactly what I'm talking about regarding modern interior design in cars. Screens do not make a car more luxurious and if anything makes it look cheaper and it drives me nuts.
@@mateuszzimon8216 to give new volvos credit though, I actually think their infotainment screens are SUPER nice. I don’t remember enough to comment on their actual software and UI but I do remember the screen having ipad level responsiveness to touch and the colors were really nice. Other people like to shit on Volvo’s infotainment though so I won’t give it more credit than it’s due without a refresher.
I prefer a balance of screen and tactile controls. A nice big screen for media controls and deeper seat settings like massage and side bolster setting makes sense. I just don't want all my climate controls buried in there. I want nice tactile buttons for that. My w212 E43 AMG has the perfect blend of screen and physical buttons. Unfortunately with the new one they went mostly screen. 😢
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT!!! I HATE SCREENS!!!! BRING BACK THE OLD SCHOOL, FUNCTIONAL INTERIOR STYLES THAT ENHANCED THE DRIVING EXPERIENCE INSTEAD OF CHEAPENING THE CAR AND DISTRACTING PEOPLE.
This and monthly fees for already installed features like heated seats (BMW) and adaptive headlights (Audi). Then offer a lifetime fee to permanently enable it but hey, lets reset that when you sell the car so the next owner will have to pay for that too. It's all about sucking money out of you.
It's not really that simple. Tesla started the huge tablet in the middle containing everything trend, pushed it as the future...and were very successful. So everyone else followed in their own way
@kuruptzZz what you posed is pretty simple to me. Car makers listen and follow each other. And ignore the shit out of the consumers. Who will be spending their hard earned money. On all those stupid and unnecessary bells whistles and screens!
@@2moke2creen and technology ages faster than any other kinda asset. If you buy a set of laptops for a business and spend maybe $10k, open the boxes and set up everything, you’re gonna lose $1k if you try and sell them the next day lol.
@Vincetagram it's reasons like this why I refuse to buy electronics not on sale, unless it is absolutely valuable to me. I learned that lesson when I bought scalped GPUs 🙃
yeah from watching this video I think the conclusion is to pick a side either get an older cheaper luxury car because they used to understand what real luxury is or spend like 400k on a 2-3 year old rolls royce because they are still that old fashioned luxury that everyone wants. The reason I say not a new rolls royce is because they basically just became the seven series with a cool exterior and better materials.
Governments: Driving while being in the phone is extremely dangerous,reckless and put everyone at risk. You should never under any reason move your eyes and line of sight off the road for your phone. Never get distracted with anything. Keep your eyes on the road all times. Also Governments: Yea. You can put a MASSIVE TV SIZE IPAD ON THE MIDDLE OF THE CAR. Put it for your driver-side and passenger side too. That's good and we approved this How for real. Who thought the passenger getting a screen was a good idea?. Like why? That's the purpose of that shit?. So you can flex to your friends how fast you're going?. It's stupid as hell. I'm never buying a car with screens on my speedometer or passanger side or a huge massive TV Size ipad that replace all my analog knocks and buttons. Gonna keep rocking my Cooper S 2016
I love how most of the B-Roll shots were Mercedes interiors! 😂 I used to work at a Benz dealer and I can confirm they are playing everybody. They probably have some the worse interiors in the automotive space. It’s all cheap china plastic in those things and like you said you really see how bad it is on the used cars.
I sold used cars for a little bit and was really surprised at how cheap MB interiors looked, especially after a few years of wear. Older German cars often still look good 3 years later!
There's a word for this trend. It's called "shitflation." It's like how shrinkflation is inflation but stuff gets smaller not more expensive, but stuff gets shittier instead. A $60 pair of shoes used to be on the nicer end of shoes, but now anything less than $80 are shitty shoes. The $60 shoes stayed $60 but just got shittier. Same with cars. Same with bicycles. Same with Furniture. It's a mass trend and it's shitty.
What gets me is that the major car manufacturers are trying to play pimp my ride because every thing they are adding is what people usually do to make the car more custom to themselves.
Agreed & they deliberately use rubbish touch screens that will be outdated tomorrow because it is engineered obsolescence hoping you will upgrade ASAP to keeps sales revenue up...
Funny I come from a time of pull out radios, and when we finally got aftermarket screen you had to trick out to play video and drive.... police hated it , because at that time it was considered a distraction and would be ticketed.... now every vehicle from factory has screens and more distractions than ever..
That’s crazy because this was hardly 2 decades ago, I remember being a toddler seeing tricked out cars like this at car shows with screens in the sun visors and and shit😂 playing the music video for whatever song was on, neon lights everywhere, and it was probably on a mitsubishi eclipse, new edge mustang, or bubble chevy lol. Then in 2016 mercedes decided to start offering that standard from factory lol.
thank goodness someone out there in youtube land has the ability to articulate the steady decline of the automotive industry's interior design language. while most of your colleagues beam about dashboards inundated with infotainment system screens that stretch clear across to the passenger side of the dash... your vision hasn't been obscured by the ambient light that seem to be blinding the car buying public, and that's refreshing. long story short you gained a new sub and a like. peace.
My personal opinion is that these overly complicated screens, which distract drivers, are a huge reason why distracted driving fatalities have increased in recent years.
I have Hellcats, and Scat Packs, and while compared to other cars theyre old school, Im still sick of screens. I daily a Grand Marquis and an XJ. No screens at all. Im not buying new cars anymore. Im even thinking of buying used cars (for daily use, once the Marquis is too nice and too classic to ruin), and gut the interior, build something out of wood, put a boombox in the center console, CD player or whatever, and wire a speedo and tach, using some clocks and thats it. Maybe wrap it in some nice leather, or who knows, just stain and seal the wood, and be done.
Man,you read my mind! As 1980's kid,you would think that I would be excited by all of this (as I was when that Riviera/Reatta screen you mentioned came out) but as the tech advanced, I personally said to myself "Is this a scam?"🤷🏿♂️😹
Lmaoooooo as a 2000s kid who saw bmw and mercedes go crazy with all the LED lights after watching people modify their cars with this stuff in the 2000s for WAY LESS money, I had the exact same feeling, thx for the super comment!
It is important that they get appropriate feedback. If enough people complain, it WILL move the needle. One example of how this has gone way too far is the screen replacing the instrument cluster in the new Mustang. That car is supposed to be a muscle car, not a tech laden computer on wheels.
I think It's all conditioning to take away the driving experience. The more they make you excited about the tech they want people to think they need, the less the driver wants control of the driving experience, giving way for it to be commandeered by someone/something else. Just my opinion🤷♂️
I want to add in the SClass 63AMG, I have a IWC watch that you could have bought as a hand watch. A very beautiful crafted piece with real gears and mechanisms inside, not just an electronic clock. I've seen the new AMG with the display, and when you pull-up the "watch", it shows a short video of how all the gears and mechanisms and dials connect into an electronic/display IWC app. Yes, they did trick us, from a 12-15k real watch, to a app that they programmed once and replicated thousands of times for free.......
I think the LC 500 interior is the best because it doesn’t have screens in your face, it doesn’t have interior ambient lighting in your face it’s high quality. I think the LC with the touchpad is better than the touchscreen honestly.
The 'lagginess' of the screen might not be the refresh rate, but the processor that drives the data being shown. You can see by the 'slow' response to touch. Car makers do not want a HQ processor, it's another thermal management hassle and a huge supply chain headache. The tier 1 manufacturers think it's much better to have an older chipset which a manufacturer will smash out for 40 months at a ridiculously cheap price whilst the tier 1 tells the manufacturer it was 'the cost of certification' as to why this old tech is so expensive
Agreed. I think that is the issue but I think more and more manufacturers are finally resigning themselves to the fact they need to just drop the cash for a more powerful chip. It certainly seems like it is getting better these days based on the car reviews I watch.
They probably fell for the nonsense the "experts" pitched them in a meeting. Where critical thinking or effort is lacking, and being appropriate/accepting is much more beneficial for the worker/employee/manager/ceo... You can imagine someone telling them ah yes 4gb ram is all that's needed for a laptop according to our testing. The people being told this have no idea what ram is and will go with it. Anyone who does know would say we need more. edit: also their goal is to include a feature or tech in the car. The usefulness, integration and practicality of the value that it adds to the user and how it works to help them, is something that is forgotten. This is why we often end up figuring out why something is useless or silly within 3 seconds, while the designers didn't give it any thought. Their job isn't to think about that, but to impress those that don't understand it. In this case, I think they're genuinely too stupid to think about what they're doing. They're just fatigued and trying to get to the end of the day. I don't blame them. They don't try to create the best product they can and for its purpose. They're just distracted and lost.
Cardesigner here. The screens are just being added because other competitors are doing it. Its a blind leading the blind thing the higher ups at these companies end up doing which sort of equalizes all features across the board. Its a double edge sword because not every model has the same tarket market yet we end up treating it as such.
I just want an interior similar to a FK8 Honda Civic Type R. Not too much tech, killer seats, physical buttons. I don’t even find the interior of my 2013 Toyota Corolla LE to be lacking in most aspects, it’s just a bit plain.
@@RedRidesMTB ngl I wasn’t that big of a fan of the fk9 interior and I just drove a type r last week as a reminder. That whole generation of honda was plagued with bad infotainment too. That being said, I drove it back to back with a focus rs and while the rs was slightly faster, the type R had so much more emotion.
@@2moke2creen yeah lol, at least I did. Honestly the fl9 interior isn’t terrible either though. Very similar to the integra which is also underrated. Screen placement still coulda been better though.
I don't know, some people wanted to have some fun on it but nowadays it is just for soccer moms to show off the same SUV model thinking that they are better than the other soccer moms because the badge is from a more expensive brand.
Brillait video. As others have said, this is all conditioning. Why get people used to tactile feeling that's required when driving when their near term goal is that they don't want you driving yourself anyway? You can allocate all your focus while commuting on that screen in the centre console when you don't have to operate the vehicle.
There’s something undeniably satisfying about the tactile feel of physical buttons in a luxury car a simplicity and tangibility that modern touchscreens can’t quite replicate. Those buttons were thoughtfully placed, each with a distinct texture, making it easy to adjust the temperature or change the radio station without ever taking your eyes off the road. They embodied a sense of permanence, a mechanical precision that felt luxurious in itself. Today’s glossy screens, while sleek, often demand more attention and lack that reassuring click, that feedback you could trust even in the dark. It feels like we’ve traded intuitive craftsmanship for fleeting aesthetics, leaving behind a charm that truly defined comfort and control.
The most valid argument when it comes to the auto industry, I just want an old school speedometer and access to features without having to go through a monitor.
Omg.....tysssssssm for talking about this because this ish is getting ridiculous out here and I just be looking around wondering if anyone else is seeing it.
It’s revolutionary marketing. Dress it up while keeping those lower cost lines tighter than ever. Introduce lots of color light, with flux materials to show quality which equals higher premium. Talk about super charging your bottom! We are looking forward to upgrades with less life expectancy at higher premium never seen before drastically increasing shareholder values. As the saying goes “If you know you know”
Saying that these screens are cheaper is a myth. Because you don’t need computer chips to run your wipers. You don’t need to hire computer programmers to program that chip, to turn on your wipers. It costs more, just the cost is in different areas. Manufacturers need to give us an option to delete these big screens.
I'm pretty sure you do need a computer tip to control rain sensing wipers which even many cheaper cars have these days. It's not as simple as just on and off anymore.
I'll never forget pulling up behind an amg mercedes and realising for the first time that the vents were fake....On one of the them, the rubber/plastic cover had come off just revealing the solid plastic with glue residue behind in the moulding....I mean, if your gonna push it as a performance car, and cost it as a performance car, then at least have real performance flourishes. I mocked the first hyundai I drove for fake fancy guage touches, and we all looked askance at the honda civic wehen it did massive fake vents...but there is literally 10's of thousands difference in the costs of those brands in comparison to marques like mercedes. It's the more for less model gone to it's extremes and I think it's telling of the global economy as a whole, when even your luxury brands are cheapening out to such extents.
And also yeah, I think the luxury automotive marketplace can sometimes scale with the economy but I’m not knowledgeable enough to definitively say which one is the chicken or the egg. Back curing the recession of the 2000s lamborghini planned to make more murcielago sv’s than they actually did but because nobody could afford a car like that they didn’t sell nearly as many as intended and it was already a limited production car. Who knows, these new designs and cheapening of materials may be a way to continue to sell to their bottom line and cater ‘luxury cars’ to a lower end market. Especially since the cheapest mercedes nowadays are dipping into nissan and toyota territory as far as price goes. I’ve also noticed the decline in sales and release of cars that have a lot of what I consider unecessary opulence(and I love cars like this) such as the various S class coupes over the years, how the 8 series went from being a 7 series coupe to a 5 series coupe, how mercedes and audi don’t even sell a midsize luxury performance coupe(notice the lack of an rs7 and e63 coupe to compete against the M8) and how bentley and aston have downsized their selection of models currently available over the past 20 years.
the car companies saw what we used to do when we went to the car audio shops... subs Bluetooth, rims (cars be coming with factory 17 to 20 inch rims now) aux double din 7 and 8 inch screens etc... they started putting them in their base level cars as the norm and phased car audio shops out and increased the prices and the maintenance.. Hell a car light bulb used to be screw in and under $20 to replace. now its led halogen bulbs that cost in some case up to $400 and if u change it the other will go out. Its all a price gauge scam by design
You failed to mention these cars collect more data than cell phones, and are then sold to insurance companies and data brokers..they make tons of financial profit from all of these screens and microphones. Having a private conversation in a modern car these days is non existent.
I miss the dashboard of the earlier cars, plain and simple. Turning a car on and seeing a digital picture of the car you are driving on the dashboard 🙄
As a gear head /mechanic there's nothing like a good fashion clutch...simple pioneer stereo ....rear wheel drive no traction control let loose an drift round ah bouts.....you can keep that high tech....
Good video. Full of content and topics. great use of visual illustrations. Good cuts in between clips. It was a really easy watch, those 17 mins flew by
They’re really cool but I like buttons and I do not want screens everywhere. I got a 22 outlander and it’s a pretty good hybrid of screen and buttons. I like to click lol
Totally agree with you dude.... It seems some folks want to play with multiple screens in the drive way, than actually drive the car itself....😮 They don't need to put a.c. controls etc in a screen. Knobs & buttons are simpler, easier to use, & safer while driving.
Right now, the best mix between screen and buttons is found in Honda, Acura, Toyota, Mitsubishi, and Mazda. With those, screens are for audio and navigation, but not HVAC
ngl i may have found your channel today and have already binged all ur videos..... prolly my new fav car youtuber, and i stay out in charlotte so i might actually have a chance to meet u at a car show one day, hell yeh
Guilty as charged. I love the screens 😅 I think the big singualr curved one in the new BMWs looks really cool. From the back or side it's a little goofy with that support leg that attaches it to the middle part of the upper dash, but from the front its a solid, clean integration that I prefer over the double-hump approach, or anything that puts the screen too low to the point where I have to completely take my eyes off the road to do anything with it. BMW has it at the right height now. Having said that, PASSENGER screens are a bridge too far for me, that shiz is gimmicky as hell, like if your passenger wants a screen in front of their face, they're gonna use their phone. Cause they're not driving. And phone screens are huge. And you will always be able to do may more with your phone than they will ever get these passenger screens to be able to do. To me, this is a big indicator the manufacturers are just lost and out of ideas at this point when it comes to tech application in cars.
Ive thought about this with everything in a luxury car interior... you get some Maybach and seats with recliner and heat are like $25k option...10 inch screen with youtube $8000 option... meanwhile you can get a lazyboy that does the same thing in your living room for $500, and a 85" smart tv for $700. And people go nuts about the car interior, like its some major feature when everyone who got a stimmi check has these in their house 😂😂
I'm always talking about screens just slapped on a dashboard. This really took off when Tesla got away with its minimalist look, and everyone started copying it. The lack of buttons for some manufacturers has gotten enough backlash that we are seeing SOME companies actually do some... interior design.
I think tech and emission standards are the main reason why cars have "a techy look". With EVs becoming more popular, car companies wanted mimic the tech-feel. Tesla, Lucid, Rivian, Polestar introduced the contemporary "tech-car". Now to go back to Mercedes, Mercedes took a radical turn after Chrysler bought them back in the early-2000s. My issue with tech is the reliability. Car companies don't want people to own their vehicle after 60,000 miles. I was watching Doug DeMuro who criticized "economy cars" for not having the up-to-date tech.
Agree a lot on this topic. The all-new Audi A5/S5 models (and Q5 cousins) are a perfect example of adding screens for the sake of the screen-centric philosophy nowadays in car design; even if you opt for not having the optional passenger's side screen, Audi will happily replace it with a piece of cheap-looking plastic.
The start of G chassis BMW, 2021-2022 is the best interior that company ever made. Simple, clean, and elegant. Has just enough technology to be useful without being distracting. You know it’s good when BMW still uses that layout in their $150,000 M8 flagship coupe.
As someone who owns a Tesla I like the center screen it’s far more responsive and well made then any car infotainment system and in a update they added a bottom bar for set controls like AC, heated seats and dash cam etc but I also like the 10gen civic interior and how the screen integrated into the dash and looks like a part of it and it also has some physical controls for things like heated seats and AC
Sadly some carmakers like VW and Hyundai manipulated the definition of “physical buttons” to mean separate from the infotainment, even if it means that the separate controls are either capacitive or a 2nd smaller screen
I've beeeen saying. That's why when the Bugatti Tourbillion was revealed I was so happy, cause they actually put effort into making an interior. I know its costs a mil but its simple yet fascinating how, every year the screens keep getting bigger and bigger, the more safety system are being introduced I wonder why. Anyway the video perfectly explained how I feel about the latest type of "high end" interiors.
The difference being that the invention of cars changed the world, the inclusion of LED lights and a tv to play netflix on in the dashboard wasn’t nearly as influential or necessary for global transportation needs.
I agree with this-whenever I travel, I try to rent the most luxurious car I can, because why not feel like a million bucks when you're away from home? But it’s getting to the point where every car feels like I'm just driving my Honda Accord EX Hybrid. Apple CarPlay is awesome, but now every car feels pretty much the same. I don’t really see a reason to get anything more expensive than my Accord-maybe a Lexus one day, but ehhhh, maybe not. Plus, my car’s paid off.
@@Montage_Shots if you care about luxury and reliability more than driving dynamics and performance, you seriously can’t go wrong with Lexus! Don’t think I’ve ever gotten in one and went “well damn this sucks” and that happens quite often honestly.
Leasings and loans for the cars are one of the main reasons cars become more and more clunky. If you sign the contract you will have to pay it in time while you are stuck with a car that you can't sell until you finish paying it off
I fitted a ten inch screen to my 2011 car, thankfully it was designed to fit perfectly in the space where the old digital screen and radio buttons were situated. I did not lose my AC buttons and all the the other controls are on the steering wheel. The screen is great and I never have to touch it to operate anything since I can use voice to open gps or music which is all I use it for.
Idrive 6.5/7 was the best BMW interior imo infotainment wasn’t too gimmicky the screens were designed with the dash now they come with no gear shifter and a giant gaming monitor
@Blankhspec BMW went from designing the GOAT infotainment due to its speed, reliability, and ergonomic design to the exact opposite in just a few generations 🤦
Ban screens imo for no chance of distractions. I drive a 2012 beater and no screens- Siri voice gives me directions whilst driving to unfamiliar addresses and eyes stay on the road.
Basically these screens being there means if they fail I lose all kinds of controls. in the case of the Mercedes, if I lose one screen I have to replace the whole dash because it's one single bezel and it's not gonna be cheap either. I still prefer analog clusters and tactile buttons as it's easier for me to remember where each button/dial is and what it does and so I don't have to take my eyes off the road. EVERY part of the dash used to be easy to fix by itself but everything is being integrated and it just sucks.
I worked at GM for a couple years as an interior designer and interned at a lot of different companies as well, I now work at a different OEM as a designer and let me tell you this is the most accurate fucking shit I’ve ever heard from someone outside of design.
We talk about this all the time but as designers we can’t do much. Design management, VPs and directors, CEOs often times push “the next version of high tech” on us at any cost without understanding you can only innovate a stupid ass touchscreen so much. We struggled so much with this in full size truck interior too because so many managers or directors had never even driven or lived with a truck, used or even knew what a trailer brake is, had to operate a vehicle with work gloves. You’re not on a couch sitting still with full view of what you’re doing, you’re piloting a fucking vehicle and looking out the windshield and multitasking, cars NEED shape coded buttons and knobs, it’s actually brain dead to argue otherwise.
Combine out of touch management with fear of competition, everyone else looks at each other wondering who will pull out a dumber marketable gimmick or large touchscreen display to immediately try to copy and “stay competitive”. Problem is you have a ton of people moving into management and director positions that don’t even like cars or know the first thing about them calling the shots and acting like they’re going to be the next leader to push some dumbass hyper futuristic narrative so they can get a fat promotion and bonus without any regard for their product or brand absolutely going to shit. As designers we just have to cook up what the customer orders and can’t say or do anything about it.
Oh and you’re also right, it is ABSOLUTELY cheaper to throw a touchscreen into something instead of develop a component button or knob. I’ve heard so many consumerpilled smartwatch wearing screen junkies say “but it’s actually more premium and you’re just afraid of the future and afraid of technology” - these are the people that are EXACTLY where automakers want them to be. A touchscreen can be commonized across every single model and is ridiculously cheap compared to developing complex switchgear with different trim levels, finishes, often even model-specific switchgear - it’s so much more expensive. It’s the same reason TVs are so cheap now, the demand has forced the tech to be so insanely affordable. I drive older cars and a lot of the older Audis that I’ve had often have extruded aluminum panel backs or the garnishes and trim pieces are laid over diecast aluminum for rigidity and quietness and stability of the applied material… now everything is just injection molded plastic shit everywhere you look. Seriously, get inside a modern MB or Audi or BMW or really anything for that matter and just start pressing shit. Everything creaks and cracks, it’s just plastic on plastic. Automakers trying to make it look like you have more features and gimmicks for increasingly less and less money is how we got where we are. These interiors don’t just feel cheap, they ACTUALLY ARE.
Thanks for making this video, consumers standing up and saying we aren’t going to buy this dog shit you’re selling us anymore is the only way we can be allowed to design really great cars again. I say this all the time - we are innovating ourselves out of business.
I mean, I'm in the market, and I'm shopping used, partially because I hate the screens.
Yea, that's what i have said as well.
Buy cheaper luxurious cars with all full packages.
Because you are no longer paying for materials in cars, what you are paying is managers, CEOs, and stakeholders.
I hate the screens because let's face it NONE of the automakers are going to get off their ass and fix a bricked system. Not to mention the updates to the system and potentially expanded memory needed for the updates.
You have no idea how satisfying of a read this was, coming from someone in the industry🤝
I hate stupid calls like these.
For example, I have a Cadillac but I can't seem to upgrade to their newest gen simply because of the interior design.
A lot of interior design is lifeless. CT4 is just WTF (both interior and exterior).
This is why I prefer the older styling because, it's styled.
I mean, what's the point of buying a higher tier car when the interior is the same design as your workhorse tier basic level cars? They all look the same.
Then you get this 33" screen of CT5 coming out (FINALLY!) only to hear that Lincoln is standardizing the 55" and they look a lot more unique and stylized to the car.
THEN you see that Cadillac is actually offering the 55" screen only on the highest trim of an Escalade that costs 150k.
I can't believe we're letting EVERY corporations charge 3x the cost of how things normally cost and they're having 5x profit margins.
Buy 2nd hand everything. I'd rather put money on the next guy that took care of higher quality but older products than these pumped out trash that has planned schedule to crap out (planned obseletion)
Worst part is people think the screens are more luxurious when really it's cheaper for manufacturers to put everything in a screen
They're not even 30fps how can you say they're luxurious. At least 60fps a $300 laptop can do better.
And the resolution is always awful and unresponsive. Terrible visibility in direct sunlight
Yeah it’s way cheaper for them to have everything controlled by software than by analog switches
Its also unfixable. Try to take the dash apart with all those screens. In 10 years they also wont have those screens for sale anymore.
My Redmi note 10 pro from 2020 (a budget smartphone) has a better screen than all the luxury cars I've seen ranging from $200k to $500k and more.
Its funny cause a few years ago, a lot of reviewers said: “phisical buttons are dated” and now theyre asking to get them back
Elon Musk and his army of soyboys had way too much coverage on media few years ago. Any thinking person knew that screens are bad idea
@@netocaste1510 hah good thing I’m not those guys😂 I stood on business lol
So true!
well not in Germany - Button are Part of the Safety concept
Some combine both what really makes the difference
@@Vincetagram I'd rather buttons and dials all day every day, easier to repair and if a dial for like say the AC fails it doesn't interfere with everything else, now if that screen fails and it's the entire dash now your car won't even work because of something that is unrelated to the operability of the vehicle to begin with. it's just a terrible design choice overall.
You can make a whole series out of ways car companies are scamming us, starting with right-to-repair and right-to-own 👀
Serialized components are the death of cars
Remember the times where manufacturers actually put effort into their interiors?
Now u get ipad and seats 💺 only in interior
@@TodaTruthsuch nonsense. Plenty of nice interiors out there.
@@mavfan1the point is that the number of those are rapidly dropping
It's cheaper to program a button to work off a screen than to do the internal wiring and install actual buttons as well as insure those buttons and the overall wellbeing of the car. Its fake luxury and its cheaper for brands to use screens rather than buttons
Exactly my point🤝 I think luxury manufacturers shot themselves in the foot by making this the standard. By making pioneering the latest tech the new standard for luxury, it leveled the playing field because what car doesn’t have a screen with infotainment software that’s halfway decent nowadays? Some even offer a better UI than the luxury cars and since it’s cheaper to develop that kinda stuff, luxury manufacturers are facing stiffer competition from players that werenMt considered anywhere close to their level 5-10 years ago like acura, genesis, cadillac, and the likes.
@@Vincetagram And now they are relying on their brand rather than their cars to sell and soon it wont be enough
Yes, that is cheaper, but you don’t need to hire programmers and have computer chips to turn on your wipers.
The money they're saving by not having thousands of injection mold tools, circuit boards, and random electrical components, and a vast supply network is going into engine/power plant devlopment, vision systems, lane keep assist, NVH research, and the like.
@@Chavagnatzeyeah people are complaining there won’t be replacements parts for it later like manufacturers don’t discontinue majority of parts anyway lol
It's insane that those stupid screens arent regulated at all. It's illegal to use a phone while driving but somehow it's ok to have to fiddle through a temu ipad to change basic functions like the AC and windshield wipers, insane!!!!!!
Naaah Temu iPad is crazy 😭😭🙏🙏🔥🔥
A pledge to bring back old no nonsense interiors in 2024. Who's with me?!
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I’m with you!!!!
2025
This is why I switched to late 90’s cars
@@jahvi1341 Well Happy New Year in advance then bro 🥳🥳🎉🎉
I believe that this is just a push to make cars an appliance.
1. Engine reliability is getting worse.
2. Control is being forcefully taken away from the driver with all these new assists.
3. Manuals no longer tell you how to change your own oil, breaks, cabin air filters, or spark plugs.
4. Car design has slowly become needlessly more difficult to repair.
5. Repair guides are locked behind pay walls.
6. New innovations in cars have been boiled down to tech upgrades, self driving improvements, and more features that can be remotely controlled.
Yes, some manufacturers are better than others, but all have done some or most of these things.
True
No thanks, I'm happy with my 2004 Nissan Titan with 200k miles and still drives greatly. Nissan Titans are underatted
Yes! AND what no one talks about is how all of the "self driving improvements" is creating a new generation of young drivers who never really learn how to drive or how to pay attention when they're behind the wheel.
@ ABSOLUTELY!
Man I just told my girlfriend the exact same thing a few days ago! Cars a merely appliances now. Im cursed at by customers one a daily basis because of the poor reliability of our cars and the cost of parts/repairs. One guy had a headlight fail and it cost $5800 for the assembly.
This Shiit was so well made, I literally don’t remember clicking on this video
Haha appreciate it man
Fr
Dude!
TOTALLY AGREE.
The ambient lights are totally an over rated childish gimmick & casts wierd & distracting reflections at night ...
Not to mention, it's a strain on your eyes causing fatigue faster.
I love the ambient lights in my E43 AMG. I don't find them distracting at all but I keep the brightness fairly low. I'm also the kind of person who likes to keep all their lights fairly dim. Bright lights annoy me at night when I'm driving so take that for what you will.
To be honest, I did think they would be distracting at first but I've yet to find that to be the case.
My lights in my e53 coupe are awesome 👌
How rgb meant for children when production claim make long strip instead one LEDs change light color
Now you just yapping.
Brooooo, this is exactly what I'm talking about regarding modern interior design in cars. Screens do not make a car more luxurious and if anything makes it look cheaper and it drives me nuts.
Nah fr lol
@@Vincetagram Which is why brands like Aston Martin, Bentley, and Rolls Royce have really stuck out with me.
@@fenrirslip Yea it's crazy how the higher end brands like this keep the interior simple.
Tactile controls ergonomically placed would be high end for me. I don’t think I’ll ever sell my old bmw
I feel the same about my old Volvo, simple ergonomic controls, and old-fashioned luxury & comfort.
Did u even touch greatness of waterfall in Volvo.... It's greatest AC controller possible to
@@mateuszzimon8216 to give new volvos credit though, I actually think their infotainment screens are SUPER nice. I don’t remember enough to comment on their actual software and UI but I do remember the screen having ipad level responsiveness to touch and the colors were really nice. Other people like to shit on Volvo’s infotainment though so I won’t give it more credit than it’s due without a refresher.
I prefer a balance of screen and tactile controls. A nice big screen for media controls and deeper seat settings like massage and side bolster setting makes sense. I just don't want all my climate controls buried in there. I want nice tactile buttons for that.
My w212 E43 AMG has the perfect blend of screen and physical buttons. Unfortunately with the new one they went mostly screen. 😢
@@mateuszzimon8216 bruh....my old girl has a better climate system than any newer vehicles I've had 😆
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT!!! I HATE SCREENS!!!! BRING BACK THE OLD SCHOOL, FUNCTIONAL INTERIOR STYLES THAT ENHANCED THE DRIVING EXPERIENCE INSTEAD OF CHEAPENING THE CAR AND DISTRACTING PEOPLE.
Fr, we are stuck to screens way to much anyways and the just force them on us even more. Also controlling touchscreens while driving is ass
The reason is the same as its always been planned obsolescence. The cheap tech will fail or be unsupported and get worse overtime.
They can force a discrete bad update to then upcharge a forced upgrade.
This and monthly fees for already installed features like heated seats (BMW) and adaptive headlights (Audi). Then offer a lifetime fee to permanently enable it but hey, lets reset that when you sell the car so the next owner will have to pay for that too. It's all about sucking money out of you.
Main car brands wanted so hard to sell their product in China and Chinese market is obsessed with screens. There you have it
Maybe they also are trying to appeal to the younger demographic who have grown up interacting with their 'screens'.
@@waynek805you mean the demographic that cant afford to buy a car? 😂
@waynek805 a lot of them just started driving! And most can't afford cars yet. CEO's get that from watch movies.!
It's not really that simple. Tesla started the huge tablet in the middle containing everything trend, pushed it as the future...and were very successful. So everyone else followed in their own way
@kuruptzZz what you posed is pretty simple to me. Car makers listen and follow each other. And ignore the shit out of the consumers. Who will be spending their hard earned money. On all those stupid and unnecessary bells whistles and screens!
Nothing ages a car faster than old technology.
Bentley still understands this while Aston Martin and Audi abandoned the hide-away screen 😕
@@2moke2creen and technology ages faster than any other kinda asset. If you buy a set of laptops for a business and spend maybe $10k, open the boxes and set up everything, you’re gonna lose $1k if you try and sell them the next day lol.
@Vincetagram it's reasons like this why I refuse to buy electronics not on sale, unless it is absolutely valuable to me.
I learned that lesson when I bought scalped GPUs 🙃
bentley went digital for their next generation of cars.
yeah from watching this video I think the conclusion is to pick a side either get an older cheaper luxury car because they used to understand what real luxury is or spend like 400k on a 2-3 year old rolls royce because they are still that old fashioned luxury that everyone wants. The reason I say not a new rolls royce is because they basically just became the seven series with a cool exterior and better materials.
@@tntredstonewhen bmw purchased RR in 2000. The first Phantom was built on the 7 series and had drive. Still has it now.
Governments: Driving while being in the phone is extremely dangerous,reckless and put everyone at risk. You should never under any reason move your eyes and line of sight off the road for your phone. Never get distracted with anything. Keep your eyes on the road all times.
Also Governments: Yea. You can put a MASSIVE TV SIZE IPAD ON THE MIDDLE OF THE CAR. Put it for your driver-side and passenger side too. That's good and we approved this
How for real. Who thought the passenger getting a screen was a good idea?. Like why? That's the purpose of that shit?. So you can flex to your friends how fast you're going?. It's stupid as hell. I'm never buying a car with screens on my speedometer or passanger side or a huge massive TV Size ipad that replace all my analog knocks and buttons. Gonna keep rocking my Cooper S 2016
Facts this kinda legislation is so hypocritical lol
Edit: part of me thinks it’s the auto industry lobbyists😂
No government forced to put Screen on car😂, EU is bringing back physical button requirment for safety in 2026
@ rare eu W🔥
I love how most of the B-Roll shots were Mercedes interiors! 😂
I used to work at a Benz dealer and I can confirm they are playing everybody. They probably have some the worse interiors in the automotive space. It’s all cheap china plastic in those things and like you said you really see how bad it is on the used cars.
their exhausts say it all.
as a MB mechanic of 30 years IMO they are engaged in fraud
I sold used cars for a little bit and was really surprised at how cheap MB interiors looked, especially after a few years of wear. Older German cars often still look good 3 years later!
There's a word for this trend. It's called "shitflation." It's like how shrinkflation is inflation but stuff gets smaller not more expensive, but stuff gets shittier instead. A $60 pair of shoes used to be on the nicer end of shoes, but now anything less than $80 are shitty shoes. The $60 shoes stayed $60 but just got shittier. Same with cars. Same with bicycles. Same with Furniture. It's a mass trend and it's shitty.
Yup, just watched “Sh*tflation” by the UA-cam channel Micro. And this is exactly shitflation.
What gets me is that the major car manufacturers are trying to play pimp my ride because every thing they are adding is what people usually do to make the car more custom to themselves.
Most annoying of all, is that the infotainment screen is connected to the car system, making it impossible to go aftermarket
Yep, I agree. That's why I haven't bought a new car since 2017... just don't see any value in all these new ridiculous computers on wheels.
Agreed & they deliberately use rubbish touch screens that will be outdated tomorrow because it is engineered obsolescence hoping you will upgrade ASAP to keeps sales revenue up...
Funny I come from a time of pull out radios, and when we finally got aftermarket screen you had to trick out to play video and drive.... police hated it , because at that time it was considered a distraction and would be ticketed.... now every vehicle from factory has screens and more distractions than ever..
That’s crazy because this was hardly 2 decades ago, I remember being a toddler seeing tricked out cars like this at car shows with screens in the sun visors and and shit😂 playing the music video for whatever song was on, neon lights everywhere, and it was probably on a mitsubishi eclipse, new edge mustang, or bubble chevy lol. Then in 2016 mercedes decided to start offering that standard from factory lol.
thank goodness someone out there in youtube land has the ability to articulate the steady decline of the automotive industry's interior design language. while most of your colleagues beam about dashboards inundated with infotainment system screens that stretch clear across to the passenger side of the dash... your vision hasn't been obscured by the ambient light that seem to be blinding the car buying public, and that's refreshing. long story short you gained a new sub and a like. peace.
My personal opinion is that these overly complicated screens, which distract drivers, are a huge reason why distracted driving fatalities have increased in recent years.
I fell victim to the aluminum peeling up in my Q5 and it cut me up bad 😂
dayummmmmm I know that was infuriating lol
@@Vincetagram Crazy that a Q5 uses cheap shit like that
Wait, doesn't the Q5 have fake exhausts as well? I am more offended about that
@@kuruptzZz Mine has a real exhaust but the newer ones are fake
I bet I’m 15 years the windshield will be a screen 💀💀
More like in 5 years
@david91lvb nah bro done too much galaxy gas 💀
Why would you even need a windshield if the cars will be driving themselves
Bro bringed the belt himself 😂😂 10:19
I have Hellcats, and Scat Packs, and while compared to other cars theyre old school, Im still sick of screens. I daily a Grand Marquis and an XJ. No screens at all.
Im not buying new cars anymore. Im even thinking of buying used cars (for daily use, once the Marquis is too nice and too classic to ruin), and gut the interior, build something out of wood, put a boombox in the center console, CD player or whatever, and wire a speedo and tach, using some clocks and thats it.
Maybe wrap it in some nice leather, or who knows, just stain and seal the wood, and be done.
Man,you read my mind! As 1980's kid,you would think that I would be excited by all of this (as I was when that Riviera/Reatta screen you mentioned came out) but as the tech advanced, I personally said to myself "Is this a scam?"🤷🏿♂️😹
Lmaoooooo as a 2000s kid who saw bmw and mercedes go crazy with all the LED lights after watching people modify their cars with this stuff in the 2000s for WAY LESS money, I had the exact same feeling, thx for the super comment!
Great video. I'm procrastinating on coming out with videos like this criticizing car makers. They need to see that they're making trash choices.
It is important that they get appropriate feedback. If enough people complain, it WILL move the needle. One example of how this has gone way too far is the screen replacing the instrument cluster in the new Mustang. That car is supposed to be a muscle car, not a tech laden computer on wheels.
VW has a NHTSA safey recall for chrome that peel and cut you for the mk7.
I think It's all conditioning to take away the driving experience. The more they make you excited about the tech they want people to think they need, the less the driver wants control of the driving experience, giving way for it to be commandeered by someone/something else. Just my opinion🤷♂️
@@Driver_X5 hopefully the market will adjust itself
I want to add in the SClass 63AMG, I have a IWC watch that you could have bought as a hand watch. A very beautiful crafted piece with real gears and mechanisms inside, not just an electronic clock.
I've seen the new AMG with the display, and when you pull-up the "watch", it shows a short video of how all the gears and mechanisms and dials connect into an electronic/display IWC app. Yes, they did trick us, from a 12-15k real watch, to a app that they programmed once and replicated thousands of times for free.......
As a Mercedes Tech I totally agree, funny thing is those big screens cost $2-3k. Most of them are laggy and sometimes don’t even load
I can find any control in my car and work it without ever looking away from the road. Knobs and physical buttons are the safest and the best.
I have 2019 Mustang GT and I put a iPad in the center dash.
Looks pretty awesome, I love it.
u forget to mention how often these garbage components fail and the inconvenience that ensues if not fixed right away.
Wow. Informative. Humorous. Timely. No SF accent. This kid might be the change that we've been waiting for.
I think the LC 500 interior is the best because it doesn’t have screens in your face, it doesn’t have interior ambient lighting in your face it’s high quality. I think the LC with the touchpad is better than the touchscreen honestly.
Been in the industry decades. You are 1000 percent CORRECT!
The 'lagginess' of the screen might not be the refresh rate, but the processor that drives the data being shown. You can see by the 'slow' response to touch. Car makers do not want a HQ processor, it's another thermal management hassle and a huge supply chain headache. The tier 1 manufacturers think it's much better to have an older chipset which a manufacturer will smash out for 40 months at a ridiculously cheap price whilst the tier 1 tells the manufacturer it was 'the cost of certification' as to why this old tech is so expensive
Agreed. I think that is the issue but I think more and more manufacturers are finally resigning themselves to the fact they need to just drop the cash for a more powerful chip. It certainly seems like it is getting better these days based on the car reviews I watch.
They probably fell for the nonsense the "experts" pitched them in a meeting. Where critical thinking or effort is lacking, and being appropriate/accepting is much more beneficial for the worker/employee/manager/ceo... You can imagine someone telling them ah yes 4gb ram is all that's needed for a laptop according to our testing. The people being told this have no idea what ram is and will go with it. Anyone who does know would say we need more. edit: also their goal is to include a feature or tech in the car. The usefulness, integration and practicality of the value that it adds to the user and how it works to help them, is something that is forgotten. This is why we often end up figuring out why something is useless or silly within 3 seconds, while the designers didn't give it any thought. Their job isn't to think about that, but to impress those that don't understand it. In this case, I think they're genuinely too stupid to think about what they're doing. They're just fatigued and trying to get to the end of the day. I don't blame them. They don't try to create the best product they can and for its purpose. They're just distracted and lost.
Cardesigner here. The screens are just being added because other competitors are doing it. Its a blind leading the blind thing the higher ups at these companies end up doing which sort of equalizes all features across the board.
Its a double edge sword because not every model has the same tarket market yet we end up treating it as such.
Huge if true
I just want an interior similar to a FK8 Honda Civic Type R. Not too much tech, killer seats, physical buttons. I don’t even find the interior of my 2013 Toyota Corolla LE to be lacking in most aspects, it’s just a bit plain.
@@RedRidesMTB ngl I wasn’t that big of a fan of the fk9 interior and I just drove a type r last week as a reminder. That whole generation of honda was plagued with bad infotainment too. That being said, I drove it back to back with a focus rs and while the rs was slightly faster, the type R had so much more emotion.
@RedRidesMTB FK9? You mean FK8?
@@2moke2creen yeah lol, at least I did. Honestly the fl9 interior isn’t terrible either though. Very similar to the integra which is also underrated. Screen placement still coulda been better though.
@Vincetagram the Focus's screen was arguably even worse. Thankfully you can swap *both out with a plethora of aftermarket radios.
@@2moke2creenyeah typo on my end. Thanks for catching that!
Auto industry needs this video
keep it up with this content love from spain
8:50 This is my biggest concern, it’s a car just ment to get you form A to B safely. Don’t need all the gimmicks
I don't know, some people wanted to have some fun on it but nowadays it is just for soccer moms to show off the same SUV model thinking that they are better than the other soccer moms because the badge is from a more expensive brand.
Brillait video. As others have said, this is all conditioning. Why get people used to tactile feeling that's required when driving when their near term goal is that they don't want you driving yourself anyway? You can allocate all your focus while commuting on that screen in the centre console when you don't have to operate the vehicle.
There’s something undeniably satisfying about the tactile feel of physical buttons in a luxury car a simplicity and tangibility that modern touchscreens can’t quite replicate. Those buttons were thoughtfully placed, each with a distinct texture, making it easy to adjust the temperature or change the radio station without ever taking your eyes off the road. They embodied a sense of permanence, a mechanical precision that felt luxurious in itself. Today’s glossy screens, while sleek, often demand more attention and lack that reassuring click, that feedback you could trust even in the dark. It feels like we’ve traded intuitive craftsmanship for fleeting aesthetics, leaving behind a charm that truly defined comfort and control.
The most valid argument when it comes to the auto industry, I just want an old school speedometer and access to features without having to go through a monitor.
Omg.....tysssssssm for talking about this because this ish is getting ridiculous out here and I just be looking around wondering if anyone else is seeing it.
It’s revolutionary marketing. Dress it up while keeping those lower cost lines tighter than ever. Introduce lots of color light, with flux materials to show quality which equals higher premium. Talk about super charging your bottom! We are looking forward to upgrades with less life expectancy at higher premium never seen before drastically increasing shareholder values. As the saying goes “If you know you know”
Definitely rethinking that 2018 e63s
Saying that these screens are cheaper is a myth. Because you don’t need computer chips to run your wipers. You don’t need to hire computer programmers to program that chip, to turn on your wipers. It costs more, just the cost is in different areas.
Manufacturers need to give us an option to delete these big screens.
I'm pretty sure you do need a computer tip to control rain sensing wipers which even many cheaper cars have these days. It's not as simple as just on and off anymore.
to be honest i’d rather have a middle console spinny control thing like the BMWs then having to honestly touch the screen. they get so dirty
ever heard of voice command?
I don’t mind digital gauge clusters & infotainment - But what I don’t get is them not integrating them into the dash - Really makes it look cheap.
I'll never forget pulling up behind an amg mercedes and realising for the first time that the vents were fake....On one of the them, the rubber/plastic cover had come off just revealing the solid plastic with glue residue behind in the moulding....I mean, if your gonna push it as a performance car, and cost it as a performance car, then at least have real performance flourishes. I mocked the first hyundai I drove for fake fancy guage touches, and we all looked askance at the honda civic wehen it did massive fake vents...but there is literally 10's of thousands difference in the costs of those brands in comparison to marques like mercedes. It's the more for less model gone to it's extremes and I think it's telling of the global economy as a whole, when even your luxury brands are cheapening out to such extents.
Oh boy wait until I tell you about the fake exhaust tips in the bumper
And also yeah, I think the luxury automotive marketplace can sometimes scale with the economy but I’m not knowledgeable enough to definitively say which one is the chicken or the egg. Back curing the recession of the 2000s lamborghini planned to make more murcielago sv’s than they actually did but because nobody could afford a car like that they didn’t sell nearly as many as intended and it was already a limited production car. Who knows, these new designs and cheapening of materials may be a way to continue to sell to their bottom line and cater ‘luxury cars’ to a lower end market. Especially since the cheapest mercedes nowadays are dipping into nissan and toyota territory as far as price goes. I’ve also noticed the decline in sales and release of cars that have a lot of what I consider unecessary opulence(and I love cars like this) such as the various S class coupes over the years, how the 8 series went from being a 7 series coupe to a 5 series coupe, how mercedes and audi don’t even sell a midsize luxury performance coupe(notice the lack of an rs7 and e63 coupe to compete against the M8) and how bentley and aston have downsized their selection of models currently available over the past 20 years.
Mercedes interior lights looking like Hookah lounges.
Funniest comparison yet I’m mad I didn’t think of that one😂😂😂
@ lol I hate it bro. It just makes me mad. Happy to see someone talking about it.
@@Rollexm dawg you got my group chats rolling ngl😂
the car companies saw what we used to do when we went to the car audio shops... subs Bluetooth, rims (cars be coming with factory 17 to 20 inch rims now) aux double din 7 and 8 inch screens etc... they started putting them in their base level cars as the norm and phased car audio shops out and increased the prices and the maintenance.. Hell a car light bulb used to be screw in and under $20 to replace. now its led halogen bulbs that cost in some case up to $400 and if u change it the other will go out. Its all a price gauge scam by design
You failed to mention these cars collect more data than cell phones, and are then sold to insurance companies and data brokers..they make tons of financial profit from all of these screens and microphones. Having a private conversation in a modern car these days is non existent.
With all those iPads in cars you’d think Xzibit was a leading industry consultant
AYOOOOO😂
I miss the dashboard of the earlier cars, plain and simple. Turning a car on and seeing a digital picture of the car you are driving on the dashboard 🙄
As a gear head /mechanic there's nothing like a good fashion clutch...simple pioneer stereo ....rear wheel drive no traction control let loose an drift round ah bouts.....you can keep that high tech....
They even run ads in the screens like apart from the radio who's tryna see random pop ups on their screen in a car you paid for smh
Good video. Full of content and topics. great use of visual illustrations. Good cuts in between clips. It was a really easy watch, those 17 mins flew by
They’re really cool but I like buttons and I do not want screens everywhere. I got a 22 outlander and it’s a pretty good hybrid of screen and buttons. I like to click lol
this is why i still love my '12 M3, the new tech is WAY too much. great video bro I just subbed!
it’s the carrot on a string all distractions
Totally agree with you dude....
It seems some folks want to play with multiple screens in the drive way, than actually drive the car itself....😮
They don't need to put a.c. controls etc in a screen. Knobs & buttons are simpler, easier to use, & safer while driving.
Tech is plastic. Plastic is cheap, but made to look expensive.
Right now, the best mix between screen and buttons is found in Honda, Acura, Toyota, Mitsubishi, and Mazda. With those, screens are for audio and navigation, but not HVAC
Never related Screen and Tech with luxury
same its mind boggling
Touchscreens are dangerous AF in cars. i hate them!!!
Nothing will beat the experience of sitting in a rx7 cockpit or Supra my first time at a local car show
ngl i may have found your channel today and have already binged all ur videos..... prolly my new fav car youtuber, and i stay out in charlotte so i might actually have a chance to meet u at a car show one day, hell yeh
@@187producedit appreciate it man! Yeah I might pop out there this summer.
Guilty as charged. I love the screens 😅
I think the big singualr curved one in the new BMWs looks really cool. From the back or side it's a little goofy with that support leg that attaches it to the middle part of the upper dash, but from the front its a solid, clean integration that I prefer over the double-hump approach, or anything that puts the screen too low to the point where I have to completely take my eyes off the road to do anything with it. BMW has it at the right height now.
Having said that, PASSENGER screens are a bridge too far for me, that shiz is gimmicky as hell, like if your passenger wants a screen in front of their face, they're gonna use their phone. Cause they're not driving. And phone screens are huge. And you will always be able to do may more with your phone than they will ever get these passenger screens to be able to do. To me, this is a big indicator the manufacturers are just lost and out of ideas at this point when it comes to tech application in cars.
Ive thought about this with everything in a luxury car interior... you get some Maybach and seats with recliner and heat are like $25k option...10 inch screen with youtube $8000 option... meanwhile you can get a lazyboy that does the same thing in your living room for $500, and a 85" smart tv for $700. And people go nuts about the car interior, like its some major feature when everyone who got a stimmi check has these in their house 😂😂
I'm always talking about screens just slapped on a dashboard. This really took off when Tesla got away with its minimalist look, and everyone started copying it. The lack of buttons for some manufacturers has gotten enough backlash that we are seeing SOME companies actually do some... interior design.
I think tech and emission standards are the main reason why cars have "a techy look". With EVs becoming more popular, car companies wanted mimic the tech-feel. Tesla, Lucid, Rivian, Polestar introduced the contemporary "tech-car". Now to go back to Mercedes, Mercedes took a radical turn after Chrysler bought them back in the early-2000s. My issue with tech is the reliability. Car companies don't want people to own their vehicle after 60,000 miles.
I was watching Doug DeMuro who criticized "economy cars" for not having the up-to-date tech.
Agree a lot on this topic.
The all-new Audi A5/S5 models (and Q5 cousins) are a perfect example of adding screens for the sake of the screen-centric philosophy nowadays in car design; even if you opt for not having the optional passenger's side screen, Audi will happily replace it with a piece of cheap-looking plastic.
100% agree it's literally out of control.
Much love new subscriber from the UK
Great video!
The start of G chassis BMW, 2021-2022 is the best interior that company ever made. Simple, clean, and elegant. Has just enough technology to be useful without being distracting. You know it’s good when BMW still uses that layout in their $150,000 M8 flagship coupe.
As someone who owns a Tesla I like the center screen it’s far more responsive and well made then any car infotainment system and in a update they added a bottom bar for set controls like AC, heated seats and dash cam etc but I also like the 10gen civic interior and how the screen integrated into the dash and looks like a part of it and it also has some physical controls for things like heated seats and AC
I remember we used to put the old afterglow lights in the foot wells and in between the middle console on the 90’s and late 80’s Benz
Sadly some carmakers like VW and Hyundai manipulated the definition of “physical buttons” to mean separate from the infotainment, even if it means that the separate controls are either capacitive or a 2nd smaller screen
I've beeeen saying. That's why when the Bugatti Tourbillion was revealed I was so happy, cause they actually put effort into making an interior. I know its costs a mil but its simple yet fascinating how, every year the screens keep getting bigger and bigger, the more safety system are being introduced I wonder why. Anyway the video perfectly explained how I feel about the latest type of "high end" interiors.
We as humans can't bullshit each other straight up. Things like hyper screen, more like multiple screens
When a portable monitor cost like 80 bucks, I don’t want to see unnecessary screens in car
The new 2025 Cadillac dash is literally one massive screen. The replacement cost is roughly 10K
You know, cars is also something that the general public didn't ask
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The difference being that the invention of cars changed the world, the inclusion of LED lights and a tv to play netflix on in the dashboard wasn’t nearly as influential or necessary for global transportation needs.
I agree with this-whenever I travel, I try to rent the most luxurious car I can, because why not feel like a million bucks when you're away from home? But it’s getting to the point where every car feels like I'm just driving my Honda Accord EX Hybrid. Apple CarPlay is awesome, but now every car feels pretty much the same. I don’t really see a reason to get anything more expensive than my Accord-maybe a Lexus one day, but ehhhh, maybe not. Plus, my car’s paid off.
@@Montage_Shots if you care about luxury and reliability more than driving dynamics and performance, you seriously can’t go wrong with Lexus! Don’t think I’ve ever gotten in one and went “well damn this sucks” and that happens quite often honestly.
Leasings and loans for the cars are one of the main reasons cars become more and more clunky. If you sign the contract you will have to pay it in time while you are stuck with a car that you can't sell until you finish paying it off
I fitted a ten inch screen to my 2011 car, thankfully it was designed to fit perfectly in the space where the old digital screen and radio buttons were situated. I did not lose my AC buttons and all the the other controls are on the steering wheel. The screen is great and I never have to touch it to operate anything since I can use voice to open gps or music which is all I use it for.
Idrive 6.5/7 was the best BMW interior imo infotainment wasn’t too gimmicky the screens were designed with the dash now they come with no gear shifter and a giant gaming monitor
Absolutely goated imo. I just got in my grandma’s 650i a cpl days ago and was reminded of this. Nice to see you on youtube btw!
@Blankhspec BMW went from designing the GOAT infotainment due to its speed, reliability, and ergonomic design to the exact opposite in just a few generations 🤦
@@2moke2creen literally in one generation lol, shit went left so fast😭
@Vincetagram nah I meant from iDrive 5 to iDrive 7 it was good, then it fell off a cliff on 8 🫠
@@2moke2creen ahh i feel u
Ban screens imo for no chance of distractions. I drive a 2012 beater and no screens- Siri voice gives me directions whilst driving to unfamiliar addresses and eyes stay on the road.
Basically these screens being there means if they fail I lose all kinds of controls. in the case of the Mercedes, if I lose one screen I have to replace the whole dash because it's one single bezel and it's not gonna be cheap either. I still prefer analog clusters and tactile buttons as it's easier for me to remember where each button/dial is and what it does and so I don't have to take my eyes off the road. EVERY part of the dash used to be easy to fix by itself but everything is being integrated and it just sucks.
"I dont need my passenger touching shit"- every dude since horses 😂😂😂😂