Agree to disagree with Domenick. I'm impressed. Not perfect obviously but did not see any really dangerous. There is room for improvement and seeing good progress compared with months ago. Anyways is good Dom has a high standard :)
Appreciate the kind words, and of course you're perfectly welcome to disagree with me. It can be hard to translate everything we feel when driving to the camera. The part I refer to as dangerous was the applying brakes at the last minute, as it didn't seem to read the traffic light as yellow. That kind of move puts the vehicle in danger of being rear-ended. I would have disengaged the system and braked a lot sooner if there had been cars behind me. As it was, I was a fraction of a second from hitting the brakes myself when I felt braking finally begin to engage. Until that moment, it really seemed like it was going to run the light.
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick It does however KNOW that there are no cars behind it as its looking in all directions at once .. as you yourself said I would have disengaged the system and braked a lot sooner if there had been cars behind me. (But there were not) As it was, I was a fraction of a second from hitting the brakes myself when I felt braking finally begin to engage. (so it did brake in time) Until that moment, it really seemed like it was going to run the light. (but it didn`t and stopped safely in time) .. my ( ) So it was not dangerous not 100% but amazing still
I guess it depends on what you’re comparing it with, maybe waymo? Really impressive where the technology has come in such a short time, it’s hard to discount that.
@@steve.k4735 I was not in danger in that moment. My point is, if the car only begins braking at the very last second, forcing it to stop much quicker than normal, it runs the risk of being rear-ended and is dangerous.
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick Yes but you are making the presumption that its actions would have been exactly the same IF another vehicle was behind you, there was no such vehicle I am sure you were aware of that but so was FSD, plus `quicker than normal`? who's normal millions of `too fast` stops are made by drivers at such lights all over the USA many people drive that way, maybe not great but we are all aware of it and drive accordingly. Also you personally made the choice to use the word `Dangerous` in you title. It is always the responsibility of the person behind you to stop, yes its not wise perhaps to brake sharply, but its not `dangerous` even if you brake smoothly the person behind can still run into you, plus they also are supposed to be watching the lights as well. Oh don`t get me wrong thank you for uploading and taking your time I am grateful
The problem I have with the FSD is that it floors it from a stand still position versus a gradual acceleration. It also doesn't handle yellow lights very well. It usually slams on the brakes and either has a hard stop or goes through after the braking. I have it set on chill mode but it is still a bit aggressive for my taste.
Thanks for the testing, Dom! I don't expect to be using any of these systems in my lifetime but certainly not Tesla with camera-only. I'd be more stressed monitoring the car than just driving myself. The auto-distance cruise control in our Subaru is enough for me.
I tend to only use adaptive cruise control myself. Haven't tested this version on a divided highway yet, but its historical insistence on sitting in the left lane made it super annoying.
I was out with a buddy we did a 9 hour drive in his Subaru Forrester over the weekend he did nothing but complain about the ADAS system how it didn't work well.. I was shocked as I heard it was pretty good. People drive with two eyes and seem to be okay Tesla has 8 eyes plus internal cabin one.. Tesla system can see all ways at the same time already better vision then a human
@slmdaddy1 And what happens to a camera's vision in pouring rain 🌧 and dirty or fogged? Typically my eyeballs aren't getting showered while I drive, nor is dirt accumulating on them. Also, the camera placement is gawd awful. Doesn't matter if there are 8 or 80 if they aren't pointed where they need to be
Camera placement is decent and can see in more directions at the same time compared to you ? I have tested its ability to see in rain and fog and it’s much better then I can do in fact shockingly better especially rain and at night in the glare. If the conditions are so bad where human shouldn’t be driving then I have no expectation of the car to drive. Advanced radar system in theory could drive in such conditions but that’s rarely needed. Would you pay extra for that ? I think in a few years we might see the addition of some type of LiDAR system. The fact is last hundred years People have been getting buy with two eyes albeit not as safely as 8
Hi, first time watching...at about 11:20 minutes into video the Tesla attempted to change lanes from the left to center. It crossed over halfway and then re-entered the left lane. You mentioned you thought it was dangerous driving. What i saw was the red vehicle come up and pass pretty quick in the center lane. Could the Tesla have measured how fast the red vehicle was approaching and in order to avoid a potential collision (rear end) abandoned the lane change? Thanks for sharing your drive.
This is what I meant as dubious driving. The dangerous part is around 18:10, when it has to apply the brakes extra hard because it didn't see the lights were yellow, changing to red until the last second. The drama doesn't translate to video well, braking this hard puts it at risk of being rear-ended.
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick It wasn't dangerous though as there was nobody behind you that would have rear ended you. It's hard to know what Tesla would do if there was someone behind you. It may have very well ran the red light to avoid the rear end collision. The "not safe move" by avoiding the speeding charger was probably a safe move. It's uncomfortable to be straddling the line like that, but it did make the choice (eventually) to get back over and let the speeding Charger go by. I totally agree with you that it should have seen the yellow and red much sooner than it did though.
Wow you are much more patient with FSD than I am. That crazy crossing the bike lane because it made a bad lane choice. I would have intervened much earlier to stop FSD from doing stupid stuff. I find it bizarre that with FSD doing the driving the "lady" still gives verbal driving directions. I wouldn't know because I have audible directions disabled all of the times. I agree with you that FSD tends to brake and accelerate too hard at low speeds. Back in the day, traffic aware cruise control in bumper to bumper traffic was solid and I could trust it implicitly. Since FSD beta came out I have stopped using automation in nose to tail traffic, it is annoying the way it jerks you around in your seat because of aggressive acceleration and braking at low speeds.
If I wasn't testing the car, I would have had it in the proper lane in time to avoid crossing those lines. I keep the navigation voice on as an extra thing to keep me aware of the car's intentions. And I agree: it really needs to smooth out accel/deceleration.
The entire experience of this novelty gadget comes across as being much like a passenger in a car driven by a learner driver who is in a totally unfamiliar area and entirely out of their comfort zone. When so-called FSD can pass 10 000 standard driving tests in a row on 10 000 different routes with no failures I would begin to accept its capability.
@@DerekDavis213it’s not level 5 autonomy, so no one should trust it with their life without “supervision”. Once it is level 5, then it’s time to decide. Still too early for considering if you can trust it, but data might quantify how much you should trust it.
@@splashmaker2 If you watch the more than 50 FSD reviews on UA-cam, it is crystal clear that FSD cannot be trusted. Almost every short drive, less than 30 minutes needs human interventions. After almost *four* *years* in beta. what a joke
@@splashmaker2 If you watch the more than 50 FSD reviews on UA-cam, it is crystal clear that FSD cannot be trusted. Almost every short drive, less than 30 minutes, needs human interventions. After almost 4 years in beta. what a joke.
The NAV side was messed up in that weird lane ending event where it switched over a couple lanes to go straight. The NAV should be showing that those two lanes were ending.
Wow I thought it did amazingly well but maybe this is due to the fact that I haven't seen many FSD drives lately. I am utterly impressed by the improvements of FSD 👍
Dom, you make me nervous when you look down to change the navigation points. Please use voice commands to change the destinations. Tesla needs to work on the Navigation System to allow user to change the routing to better suite local conditions. Having 3 choices (not always shown) does not work. As an example, turning left out of my alley crossing 4 lanes and turning right within 100' is accomplished only in the dead of night and on holidays yet my navigation always puts me there.
Agree that 12.3.3 version also seems to not care about crossing solid white lines, when it could have changed lanes sooner, or waited until dashed lines are available. All in all, not bad, but there is a fair amount of anxiety at times. I would like to see a little smoother acceleration / deceleration, and less auto max speed especially in residential areas. Clearly there are situations where what is the point accelerating up to speed when there are stopped cars or a stop sign just ahead?
Good video. That was actually impressive except for the poor planning ahead for better lane choices, could be a bit smoother at flashing orange, and finally autopark.
Typically very good at seeing and responding to cars in its path. It's also usually very good at reading traffic lights too, but during this test, it seemed to not "see" the light changing to red until the very last moment.
I get the feeling your expectations are set a little high. It looked pretty good to me other than the Nav issue. A few seconds after the aborted lane change a red car came past in that lane quite fast, I wonder if it saw it and decided to wait.
Agree on the red car thing. Ideally, it would have been able to see it and calculate it's closing speed before turning on the indicators, but maybe it was occluded from the side cameras until that moment. I saw it in my side view when the turn indicator turned on.
_I get the feeling your expectations are set a little high_ All of our expectations are high, because of what Elan said 8 years ago: Soon, FSD will drive you from LA to New York, door to door, automatically. Today, in April of 2024, that is a joke. FSD driving 2800 miles across America without human assistance? No way.
The nav voice is annoying, but I like having it in these videos to help keep things transparent and also help me keep up with what the car is doing. Yes, I could just watch the blue line on the screen, but I'm also watching the road ahead and the traffic around the car, so I find it helpful sometimes (though mostly, it's just annoying).
Because the route is something of a semi-circle, I have to navigate to different way points. I suspect there's a way to streamline this, but I haven't cracked it yet.
Honestly what is the point to this experiment. At best it seems all these drivers are excited about keenly monitoring the vehicle .. which seems mentally taxing and anxiety inducing. All the while operating a dangerous machine on public roads. Even if it drove every day for a month without a . single intervention. Tesla will blame you if you get complacent and get in an accident. The better it gets the less attentive the driver gets… the less attentive the driver gets …the more likely they won’t be alert enough to prevent an accident.
Wow. You completed a 20+ minute drive. Zero disengagements, zero interventions? Several rotaries, unprotected left, pedestrians randomly crossing in front of you, moderate to heavy traffic at times. The 11:18 interrupted lane change was clearly caused by the speeding red car (maybe the visualization could be improved to give confirmation). The wrong lane change was definitely a problem but amazingly the Tesla handled it pretty much like a human would have after ending up in the wrong lane. I'll take your word that the breaking for the red light seemed harder than necessary and could be improved but to call it dangerous seems like a stretch. Taken as a whole this drive seemed pretty successful to me! (and *much* better than FSD Version 11 or earlier could have done). But the clickbait video title got me to watch so I guess that counts for something ;-)
Had I been driving it as a normal user and not testing it out, I would have disengaged to get it in the proper lane ahead of the traffic light at Pensacola St. I also would have disengaged when it didn't appear to "see" the yellow traffic light. I have many years of commercial driving experience, and these are my honest assessments. My title is meant to be provocative but honest, and I'm sorry if you feel it sounds like click-bait.
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick I'm just being provocative back. Curious if you started with FSD 12? The difference from 11 (and forget about 10) is just crazy. My kids are largely unimpressed with the magic self driving car and think it could do this or that much better. Somehow they just think this is a normal thing. But we're being driven around by a freakin computer!?
@@kyrrigle It is, in many ways, impressive. But, I still think it should be able to do a lot of things better, and I suspect it will rise to my expectations over time. I started making these FSD videos about a year ago when I had V10.69.25.2. I had to suspend video-making until I quit my job last summer, so I only have 10 DEWD Loop videos in the play list - ua-cam.com/video/VdDE9VSCFQs/v-deo.htmlsi=Qxso5owKz_1d0ZPq - but I try to make one now every time I get an update. The feature has improved hugely since then, and V12.3.3 was an especially big breakthrough. I was honestly not impressed with this update, since it performed worse than 12.3.3. The only thing better during my test Loop (there may be improvements that my test didn't capture) was improved acceleration and deceleration modulation, but still not great. I expect power/braking modulation will improve, but right now, it's like a teen driver in my car. (I have it in Chill) Also, the system does seem to operate differently in different vehicles. I've seen video where V12.3.4 curbs the wheel of a Model Y. I've heard people who've gotten the free trial describe this version as too slow. Reactions seem to be all over the place. Anyway, I'm just going to continue running it through my Loop and I hope to god it becomes truly autonomous one day, because if nothing else, it will increase the value of my car and hopefully make up for some of the depreciation hit I've taken. 😃
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick it's all good (and I should have clicked through to see your other videos!). i agree that it can (and needs to) keep getting better. the AI trained highway stack for example, if it can make the same leap the surface roads one did, is going to make the question of level 3 very interesting!
@@kyrrigle I was very impressed with the parking improvements, but haven't had a chance to make a video about it yet. A while back, I made a short and it took just bout a full minute for the car to back into a Supercharger stall. It was nuts: back and forth, back and forth. Now, I'll bet it can do it in less than half the time in one motion.
Thanks for sharing the video, appreciate the blow by blow candidness of your personal feeling throughout the video. IMHO, this overall video is a reflection of how FSD is misaligned with your personal driving style and your overall nervousness trusting the system. It's your rights to feel this way of course. You really should've planned your routing before you set off. You are nervous with FSD, yet, you made four+ live waypoint adjustments while the car is moving, this IMHO, did not help with your nervousness. 11:15: FSD was doing exactly what it should've done, defensive driving against an aggressive driver that could've rear-ended you. Your live reaction felt like it was due to your not seeing him coming up strong from behind you, albeit you did call it out at the end of video summary. Your negative reaction would've been much stronger IMO if FSD kept it going w/ that lane change and "cut the Charger driver off", just look at how aggressive that Charger driver rode the white Corolla's rear-end, but I digress. One can certainly argue FSD should've started the turn earlier, however. 12:05: Crossing double white bike line + cutting the stationary guy who's also trying the same was bad, but in reality, as a human driver, if you were not able to to make the previous right lane change due to the aggressive Charger driver and got caught in this situation, it's a 50/50 a human driver would've done the same thing (assuming no bicyclist is in the lane), up to your morality of follow the law of the road to the tee. Afterall, FSD learns from other human drivers. 21:05: you were peeved at car going at 20 in a 35, clearly, it was going slow due to the jaywalking pedestrians it detected literally just seconds earlier. 21:17: you were peeved at deceleration, but FSD was again doing defensive driving as it was going up hill at a traffic light that it detected but could not see traffic yet, in fact, as soon as the video can show it, we all saw that there was a car making a left turn in front of you, so that deceleration was very much warranted IMHO. I've been driving FSD since 2020, my mental tolerance for FSD's jerkiness is higher than yours, but I do appreciate the video and seeing other relative "new" FSD testers' reaction. Keep them coming.
I'm not really nervous about driving with FSD. I have a fair amount of confidence it's not going to veer out of its projected path for the couple seconds to deal with way points. I also have my other hand on the wheel and would hold it on course if the car veered off for no apparent reason. My route waypoints are all in the Navigation menu near the top. Yes, I should have had the first one elected when I left my driveway, but I got it inputted before there were any wrong turns taken. Regarding the 21:05 situation, I wasn't peeved, though my tone does sound admittedly scoldy there. The reality is that I think it handled that part nicely, not charging up to the pedestrians and then slowing down, but instead proceeding slowly from a distance until they had cleared the road. At 21:17, it may have indeed slowed for that left-turning vehicle ahead, but it really seemed too far away to invoke any kind of reaction.
this could be related to the cameras not being as good as the newest model 3 since now fsd only relies on cameras, btw have you experienced any issues with centry mode using an usb stick?
if you being impressed were the metric this sample drive would be important; if the edge case space defined by your metric is rapidly becoming vanishingly small, then your incidents of failure are basically becoming an outline of the success of the FSD project, and your remarkable experience becomes clickbait.
im honestly shocked how delusional tesla fanboys are. this software is no where near ready and to say it drives better than other humans on the road when it still can't recogonise very important situations on the road. Its a ticking time bomb.
First of all, it is not yet trained for parking lots. Second, you didn't have to disengage for your entire route. The only sketchy thing was the lane changes at the odd intersection. In that case, it acted like a human driver not familiar with the construction or the road and made the correction. I have found that some of the speed changes have to do with things the cameras see that we as drivers do not see.
Wow. Nit pick award. Understand many are as critical as you so it is important to see your point of view. Unfortunately, your take does not do justice to the safety improvements, better decision making, and overall improved FSD experience from previous versions. Much improved actually. You act as though every little irregular move is a disaster.
I am not sure how you can claim to be at all objective and genuine. Surely just going for clicks. After watching dozen of videos there is no way objectively that you can not say that it is significantly better than versions past and has made a huge improvement in a very short period of time and is clearly on a path to the quick success. How at all that would "fail to impress" How you somehow have such a different experience or just hold a bias. I guess there is no wonder why your channel has such a small following. I can see from the comments that I am not alone. Like I said, you are just trying for clickbait.
Hi there. Yes, FSD is much improved over past versions. V12.3.3 was an especially good one, and I published a video with it last week. This version, 12.3.4, performed demonstrably worse on my loop. It failed to impress. It pulled what I consider to be dubious and dangerous moves. So, I put it in the title. You're free to disagree with that decision and, indeed, with my opinion of the incidents. I was in the car, and know what I felt the car do and what I experienced and stand by my description of it.
Seems rather accurate. It crossed over double white lines at the last second as he mentioned. Also it seemed to brake at the last second for a red light which also dangerous .
it is more important to make money by creating clickbait content than it is to truthfully evaluate some scientific advance, especially if I am not an expert in the field.
Making money....lol. I'm not creating clickbait so I can get $5 from UA-cam. You're welcome to have a different opinion about the FSD system. I'm giving my personal feedback. I drove taxi for a few years and delivered cargo in assorted commercial trucks - ranging from vans to 28-foot box trucks - for about 15 years, accumulating well over a million miles, with zero accidents. I believe I'm offering good feedback, but again, you are welcome to disagree with it. I don't appreciate the allusion that I'm trying to clickbait content for money or whatever. I have done this test loop about a dozen times now, so there's a record of how I tend to conduct these tests.
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick greetings domenick. i will take you at your word that your intentions are honest, and apologize for the aspersion. i've watch the improvements of FSD for several years now. there is a popular tendency to discount and even deride the accomplishments of FSD. balance what you see in this software with what the goals are. 40,000 people in the US die each year in preventable auto deaths. FSD is getting close to eliminating that problem. distorted public sentiment will hamper that effort. i work against undue media distortion with that in mind. my thought is for the common good and the first successful self driving system is another step towards that goal. thanks for listening. peace.
more stress than manually driving.
Agree to disagree with Domenick. I'm impressed. Not perfect obviously but did not see any really dangerous. There is room for improvement and seeing good progress compared with months ago.
Anyways is good Dom has a high standard :)
Appreciate the kind words, and of course you're perfectly welcome to disagree with me. It can be hard to translate everything we feel when driving to the camera.
The part I refer to as dangerous was the applying brakes at the last minute, as it didn't seem to read the traffic light as yellow. That kind of move puts the vehicle in danger of being rear-ended.
I would have disengaged the system and braked a lot sooner if there had been cars behind me. As it was, I was a fraction of a second from hitting the brakes myself when I felt braking finally begin to engage. Until that moment, it really seemed like it was going to run the light.
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick It does however KNOW that there are no cars behind it as its looking in all directions at once ..
as you yourself said
I would have disengaged the system and braked a lot sooner if there had been cars behind me. (But there were not) As it was, I was a fraction of a second from hitting the brakes myself when I felt braking finally begin to engage. (so it did brake in time) Until that moment, it really seemed like it was going to run the light. (but it didn`t and stopped safely in time) .. my ( )
So it was not dangerous not 100% but amazing still
I guess it depends on what you’re comparing it with, maybe waymo? Really impressive where the technology has come in such a short time, it’s hard to discount that.
@@steve.k4735 I was not in danger in that moment. My point is, if the car only begins braking at the very last second, forcing it to stop much quicker than normal, it runs the risk of being rear-ended and is dangerous.
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick Yes but you are making the presumption that its actions would have been exactly the same IF another vehicle was behind you, there was no such vehicle I am sure you were aware of that but so was FSD, plus `quicker than normal`? who's normal millions of `too fast` stops are made by drivers at such lights all over the USA many people drive that way, maybe not great but we are all aware of it and drive accordingly.
Also you personally made the choice to use the word `Dangerous` in you title.
It is always the responsibility of the person behind you to stop, yes its not wise perhaps to brake sharply, but its not `dangerous` even if you brake smoothly the person behind can still run into you, plus they also are supposed to be watching the lights as well.
Oh don`t get me wrong thank you for uploading and taking your time I am grateful
The problem I have with the FSD is that it floors it from a stand still position versus a gradual acceleration. It also doesn't handle yellow lights very well. It usually slams on the brakes and either has a hard stop or goes through after the braking. I have it set on chill mode but it is still a bit aggressive for my taste.
FAILED SELF DRIVING
Thanks for the testing, Dom! I don't expect to be using any of these systems in my lifetime but certainly not Tesla with camera-only. I'd be more stressed monitoring the car than just driving myself. The auto-distance cruise control in our Subaru is enough for me.
I tend to only use adaptive cruise control myself. Haven't tested this version on a divided highway yet, but its historical insistence on sitting in the left lane made it super annoying.
I was out with a buddy we did a 9 hour drive in his Subaru Forrester over the weekend he did nothing but complain about the ADAS system how it didn't work well.. I was shocked as I heard it was pretty good. People drive with two eyes and seem to be okay Tesla has 8 eyes plus internal cabin one.. Tesla system can see all ways at the same time already better vision then a human
It’ll only get better. I hope.
@slmdaddy1
And what happens to a camera's vision in pouring rain 🌧 and dirty or fogged? Typically my eyeballs aren't getting showered while I drive, nor is dirt accumulating on them. Also, the camera placement is gawd awful. Doesn't matter if there are 8 or 80 if they aren't pointed where they need to be
Camera placement is decent and can see in more directions at the same time compared to you ? I have tested its ability to see in rain and fog and it’s much better then I can do in fact shockingly better especially rain and at night in the glare. If the conditions are so bad where human shouldn’t be driving then I have no expectation of the car to drive. Advanced radar system in theory could drive in such conditions but that’s rarely needed. Would you pay extra for that ? I think in a few years we might see the addition of some type of LiDAR system. The fact is last hundred years People have been getting buy with two eyes albeit not as safely as 8
This video is like me doing my taxes: mistakes, disengagements, and will ultimately lead to an investigation.
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bruh 😂😂😂🤣🤣
FSD == FAILED SELF DRIVING
Hi, first time watching...at about 11:20 minutes into video the Tesla attempted to change lanes from the left to center. It crossed over halfway and then re-entered the left lane. You mentioned you thought it was dangerous driving. What i saw was the red vehicle come up and pass pretty quick in the center lane. Could the Tesla have measured how fast the red vehicle was approaching and in order to avoid a potential collision (rear end) abandoned the lane change? Thanks for sharing your drive.
This is what I meant as dubious driving. The dangerous part is around 18:10, when it has to apply the brakes extra hard because it didn't see the lights were yellow, changing to red until the last second. The drama doesn't translate to video well, braking this hard puts it at risk of being rear-ended.
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick I did this mistake just the other day :D But yes, as an program it should do better than me.
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick It wasn't dangerous though as there was nobody behind you that would have rear ended you. It's hard to know what Tesla would do if there was someone behind you. It may have very well ran the red light to avoid the rear end collision.
The "not safe move" by avoiding the speeding charger was probably a safe move. It's uncomfortable to be straddling the line like that, but it did make the choice (eventually) to get back over and let the speeding Charger go by.
I totally agree with you that it should have seen the yellow and red much sooner than it did though.
Accurate
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick cheers...subbed!
Wow you are much more patient with FSD than I am. That crazy crossing the bike lane because it made a bad lane choice. I would have intervened much earlier to stop FSD from doing stupid stuff.
I find it bizarre that with FSD doing the driving the "lady" still gives verbal driving directions. I wouldn't know because I have audible directions disabled all of the times.
I agree with you that FSD tends to brake and accelerate too hard at low speeds. Back in the day, traffic aware cruise control in bumper to bumper traffic was solid and I could trust it implicitly. Since FSD beta came out I have stopped using automation in nose to tail traffic, it is annoying the way it jerks you around in your seat because of aggressive acceleration and braking at low speeds.
If I wasn't testing the car, I would have had it in the proper lane in time to avoid crossing those lines.
I keep the navigation voice on as an extra thing to keep me aware of the car's intentions.
And I agree: it really needs to smooth out accel/deceleration.
The entire experience of this novelty gadget comes across as being much like a passenger in a car driven by a learner driver who is in a totally unfamiliar area and entirely out of their comfort zone. When so-called FSD can pass 10 000 standard driving tests in a row on 10 000 different routes with no failures I would begin to accept its capability.
No. The vaporware will never dissipate the vapor.
Great review. Thanks.
I think that the silhouette of the pedestrian on the yellow crossing sign is being mistaken for an actual pedestrian by the AI.
Regressions, regressions and regressions from new updates. Very disappointing 😂😂😂
Amen, brother. Amen.
If this is considered a bad experience , I'll take it.
Would you trust the beta FSD software with your life?
@@DerekDavis213 I do every day. Just drove 500 miles yesterday - two disengagements.
@@DerekDavis213it’s not level 5 autonomy, so no one should trust it with their life without “supervision”. Once it is level 5, then it’s time to decide. Still too early for considering if you can trust it, but data might quantify how much you should trust it.
@@splashmaker2 If you watch the more than 50 FSD reviews on UA-cam, it is crystal clear that FSD cannot be trusted.
Almost every short drive, less than 30 minutes needs human interventions. After almost *four* *years* in beta. what a joke
@@splashmaker2 If you watch the more than 50 FSD reviews on UA-cam, it is crystal clear that FSD cannot be trusted.
Almost every short drive, less than 30 minutes, needs human interventions. After almost 4 years in beta. what a joke.
Nice to see sensible reviews from people that aren't hard out simping for dear leader and excusing things that shouldn't be.
thanks
The NAV side was messed up in that weird lane ending event where it switched over a couple lanes to go straight. The NAV should be showing that those two lanes were ending.
If you look closely it moved back to the left to avoid a merging vehicle from your far right blind spot. It saved your life!
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Wow I thought it did amazingly well but maybe this is due to the fact that I haven't seen many FSD drives lately. I am utterly impressed by the improvements of FSD 👍
In many respects, it does amazingly well.
Dom, you make me nervous when you look down to change the navigation points. Please use voice commands to change the destinations. Tesla needs to work on the Navigation System to allow user to change the routing to better suite local conditions. Having 3 choices (not always shown) does not work. As an example, turning left out of my alley crossing 4 lanes and turning right within 100' is accomplished only in the dead of night and on holidays yet my navigation always puts me there.
What drive mode did you use for this video? And thanks for sharing this video.
I had it in Chill.
I Luv it!!! Feels like a real person is driving vs beta so not sure of what u are talking about sir
This is much better than the beta. It didn't perform as well as V12.3.3, so that's why I wasn't impressed this time around.
Agree that 12.3.3 version also seems to not care about crossing solid white lines, when it could have changed lanes sooner, or waited until dashed lines are available. All in all, not bad, but there is a fair amount of anxiety at times. I would like to see a little smoother acceleration / deceleration, and less auto max speed especially in residential areas. Clearly there are situations where what is the point accelerating up to speed when there are stopped cars or a stop sign just ahead?
Good video. That was actually impressive except for the poor planning ahead for better lane choices, could be a bit smoother at flashing orange, and finally autopark.
FSD is still years away from being routinely safe to the point where Tesla will accept liability, till then it is just a beta product
And by 'product' you mean a toy, a novelty, that requires 100 percent human supervision.
How good it is in reacting to a stopped car in a traffic light ?
Typically very good at seeing and responding to cars in its path. It's also usually very good at reading traffic lights too, but during this test, it seemed to not "see" the light changing to red until the very last moment.
Planning def needs to be improved. But looks promissing. It def knows how to drive, Just it needs to learn how to drive better.
95 percent capable is not good enough! A human driver is 99.99 percent proficient.
Is your FSD profile set to Aggressive? The way it was behaving, it seemed like it was, although I could be wrong.
I have it set to chill. Will try to remember to show that in the beginning of my next FSD video.
I get the feeling your expectations are set a little high. It looked pretty good to me other than the Nav issue. A few seconds after the aborted lane change a red car came past in that lane quite fast, I wonder if it saw it and decided to wait.
Agree on the red car thing. Ideally, it would have been able to see it and calculate it's closing speed before turning on the indicators, but maybe it was occluded from the side cameras until that moment. I saw it in my side view when the turn indicator turned on.
_I get the feeling your expectations are set a little high_
All of our expectations are high, because of what Elan said 8 years ago:
Soon, FSD will drive you from LA to New York, door to door, automatically.
Today, in April of 2024, that is a joke. FSD driving 2800 miles across America without human assistance? No way.
Mate, your a goose!😂
I use mine about 90% of the time and LOVE IT. You must turn off the voice though lol
The nav voice is annoying, but I like having it in these videos to help keep things transparent and also help me keep up with what the car is doing. Yes, I could just watch the blue line on the screen, but I'm also watching the road ahead and the traffic around the car, so I find it helpful sometimes (though mostly, it's just annoying).
lol the drama king. I’d say that was impressive
Dude. Can you just pick one destination. It's confused cuz you keep changing the destination evey 30 sec.
Because the route is something of a semi-circle, I have to navigate to different way points.
I suspect there's a way to streamline this, but I haven't cracked it yet.
Got it. Thanks for Sharing the video.
I have drove with people that drive a lot worse. If that was a human driver I would drive again with them with no complaints
What is better out there?
Nothing
FSD drive better than most drivers
Honestly what is the point to this experiment. At best it seems all these drivers are excited about keenly monitoring the vehicle .. which seems mentally taxing and anxiety inducing. All the while operating a dangerous machine on public roads.
Even if it drove every day for a month without a . single intervention. Tesla will blame you if you get complacent and get in an accident. The better it gets the less attentive the driver gets… the less attentive the driver gets …the more likely they won’t be alert enough to prevent an accident.
biggest SURPRISE here is how HILLY FL is !!!! wtf - FL is supposed to be FLAT
ROBOTAXIS my ass 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wow. You completed a 20+ minute drive. Zero disengagements, zero interventions? Several rotaries, unprotected left, pedestrians randomly crossing in front of you, moderate to heavy traffic at times. The 11:18 interrupted lane change was clearly caused by the speeding red car (maybe the visualization could be improved to give confirmation). The wrong lane change was definitely a problem but amazingly the Tesla handled it pretty much like a human would have after ending up in the wrong lane. I'll take your word that the breaking for the red light seemed harder than necessary and could be improved but to call it dangerous seems like a stretch. Taken as a whole this drive seemed pretty successful to me! (and *much* better than FSD Version 11 or earlier could have done). But the clickbait video title got me to watch so I guess that counts for something ;-)
Had I been driving it as a normal user and not testing it out, I would have disengaged to get it in the proper lane ahead of the traffic light at Pensacola St. I also would have disengaged when it didn't appear to "see" the yellow traffic light.
I have many years of commercial driving experience, and these are my honest assessments. My title is meant to be provocative but honest, and I'm sorry if you feel it sounds like click-bait.
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick I'm just being provocative back. Curious if you started with FSD 12? The difference from 11 (and forget about 10) is just crazy. My kids are largely unimpressed with the magic self driving car and think it could do this or that much better. Somehow they just think this is a normal thing. But we're being driven around by a freakin computer!?
@@kyrrigle It is, in many ways, impressive. But, I still think it should be able to do a lot of things better, and I suspect it will rise to my expectations over time. I started making these FSD videos about a year ago when I had V10.69.25.2. I had to suspend video-making until I quit my job last summer, so I only have 10 DEWD Loop videos in the play list - ua-cam.com/video/VdDE9VSCFQs/v-deo.htmlsi=Qxso5owKz_1d0ZPq - but I try to make one now every time I get an update.
The feature has improved hugely since then, and V12.3.3 was an especially big breakthrough. I was honestly not impressed with this update, since it performed worse than 12.3.3. The only thing better during my test Loop (there may be improvements that my test didn't capture) was improved acceleration and deceleration modulation, but still not great. I expect power/braking modulation will improve, but right now, it's like a teen driver in my car. (I have it in Chill)
Also, the system does seem to operate differently in different vehicles. I've seen video where V12.3.4 curbs the wheel of a Model Y. I've heard people who've gotten the free trial describe this version as too slow. Reactions seem to be all over the place. Anyway, I'm just going to continue running it through my Loop and I hope to god it becomes truly autonomous one day, because if nothing else, it will increase the value of my car and hopefully make up for some of the depreciation hit I've taken. 😃
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick it's all good (and I should have clicked through to see your other videos!). i agree that it can (and needs to) keep getting better. the AI trained highway stack for example, if it can make the same leap the surface roads one did, is going to make the question of level 3 very interesting!
@@kyrrigle I was very impressed with the parking improvements, but haven't had a chance to make a video about it yet. A while back, I made a short and it took just bout a full minute for the car to back into a Supercharger stall. It was nuts: back and forth, back and forth. Now, I'll bet it can do it in less than half the time in one motion.
i prefer 11.4.9
Thanks for sharing the video, appreciate the blow by blow candidness of your personal feeling throughout the video. IMHO, this overall video is a reflection of how FSD is misaligned with your personal driving style and your overall nervousness trusting the system. It's your rights to feel this way of course.
You really should've planned your routing before you set off. You are nervous with FSD, yet, you made four+ live waypoint adjustments while the car is moving, this IMHO, did not help with your nervousness.
11:15: FSD was doing exactly what it should've done, defensive driving against an aggressive driver that could've rear-ended you. Your live reaction felt like it was due to your not seeing him coming up strong from behind you, albeit you did call it out at the end of video summary. Your negative reaction would've been much stronger IMO if FSD kept it going w/ that lane change and "cut the Charger driver off", just look at how aggressive that Charger driver rode the white Corolla's rear-end, but I digress. One can certainly argue FSD should've started the turn earlier, however.
12:05: Crossing double white bike line + cutting the stationary guy who's also trying the same was bad, but in reality, as a human driver, if you were not able to to make the previous right lane change due to the aggressive Charger driver and got caught in this situation, it's a 50/50 a human driver would've done the same thing (assuming no bicyclist is in the lane), up to your morality of follow the law of the road to the tee. Afterall, FSD learns from other human drivers.
21:05: you were peeved at car going at 20 in a 35, clearly, it was going slow due to the jaywalking pedestrians it detected literally just seconds earlier.
21:17: you were peeved at deceleration, but FSD was again doing defensive driving as it was going up hill at a traffic light that it detected but could not see traffic yet, in fact, as soon as the video can show it, we all saw that there was a car making a left turn in front of you, so that deceleration was very much warranted IMHO.
I've been driving FSD since 2020, my mental tolerance for FSD's jerkiness is higher than yours, but I do appreciate the video and seeing other relative "new" FSD testers' reaction. Keep them coming.
I'm not really nervous about driving with FSD. I have a fair amount of confidence it's not going to veer out of its projected path for the couple seconds to deal with way points. I also have my other hand on the wheel and would hold it on course if the car veered off for no apparent reason. My route waypoints are all in the Navigation menu near the top. Yes, I should have had the first one elected when I left my driveway, but I got it inputted before there were any wrong turns taken.
Regarding the 21:05 situation, I wasn't peeved, though my tone does sound admittedly scoldy there. The reality is that I think it handled that part nicely, not charging up to the pedestrians and then slowing down, but instead proceeding slowly from a distance until they had cleared the road.
At 21:17, it may have indeed slowed for that left-turning vehicle ahead, but it really seemed too far away to invoke any kind of reaction.
this could be related to the cameras not being as good as the newest model 3 since now fsd only relies on cameras, btw have you experienced any issues with centry mode using an usb stick?
I did have issues with Sentry mode recording video. I removed and reformatted it a couple times. Either that or an update seemed to solve it.
if you being impressed were the metric this sample drive would be important; if the edge case space defined by your metric is rapidly becoming vanishingly small, then your incidents of failure are basically becoming an outline of the success of the FSD project, and your remarkable experience becomes clickbait.
That whole post could be greatly simplified. smh
@@DerekDavis213 all posts can be simplified; most are vacuous and not needed.
@@rainerdeusser Maybe you are ESL, that is why your post is very awkward to read? Keep studying, its never too late.
great people like this DONT HUGE ELONS Nuts and report the TRUTH that FSD scks
im honestly shocked how delusional tesla fanboys are. this software is no where near ready and to say it drives better than other humans on the road when it still can't recogonise very important situations on the road. Its a ticking time bomb.
First of all, it is not yet trained for parking lots. Second, you didn't have to disengage for your entire route. The only sketchy thing was the lane changes at the odd intersection. In that case, it acted like a human driver not familiar with the construction or the road and made the correction. I have found that some of the speed changes have to do with things the cameras see that we as drivers do not see.
Wow. Nit pick award. Understand many are as critical as you so it is important to see your point of view. Unfortunately, your take does not do justice to the safety improvements, better decision making, and overall improved FSD experience from previous versions. Much improved actually. You act as though every little irregular move is a disaster.
FSD sucks so bad, 8k is a rip off for this
That looked way better than this guy gives it credit for…
This is a click bait video. The ride was fine.
It's dangerous? No Sh!t Sherlock!
Can we get th car to toot th horn at ALL th fine women it passes automatically or no
I am not sure how you can claim to be at all objective and genuine. Surely just going for clicks. After watching dozen of videos there is no way objectively that you can not say that it is significantly better than versions past and has made a huge improvement in a very short period of time and is clearly on a path to the quick success. How at all that would "fail to impress" How you somehow have such a different experience or just hold a bias. I guess there is no wonder why your channel has such a small following. I can see from the comments that I am not alone. Like I said, you are just trying for clickbait.
Hi there.
Yes, FSD is much improved over past versions. V12.3.3 was an especially good one, and I published a video with it last week.
This version, 12.3.4, performed demonstrably worse on my loop. It failed to impress. It pulled what I consider to be dubious and dangerous moves. So, I put it in the title.
You're free to disagree with that decision and, indeed, with my opinion of the incidents. I was in the car, and know what I felt the car do and what I experienced and stand by my description of it.
Clickbaity title.
Seems rather accurate. It crossed over double white lines at the last second as he mentioned. Also it seemed to brake at the last second for a red light which also dangerous .
Very accurate to me. Are you one of those Tesla-can-do-no-wrong fanboys?
If you don't want acceleration and hard braking take it off max and try chill or standard.
@@davidmccarthy6061 Nope. In my videos over the last two years I call out the good and bad.
@@alanrickett2537 I have it on chill. I should have mentioned that, sorry.
it is more important to make money by creating clickbait content than it is to truthfully evaluate some scientific advance, especially if I am not an expert in the field.
Making money....lol. I'm not creating clickbait so I can get $5 from UA-cam. You're welcome to have a different opinion about the FSD system. I'm giving my personal feedback.
I drove taxi for a few years and delivered cargo in assorted commercial trucks - ranging from vans to 28-foot box trucks - for about 15 years, accumulating well over a million miles, with zero accidents.
I believe I'm offering good feedback, but again, you are welcome to disagree with it. I don't appreciate the allusion that I'm trying to clickbait content for money or whatever. I have done this test loop about a dozen times now, so there's a record of how I tend to conduct these tests.
@@DriveElectricWithDomenick greetings domenick. i will take you at your word that your intentions are honest, and apologize for the aspersion. i've watch the improvements of FSD for several years now. there is a popular tendency to discount and even deride the accomplishments of FSD. balance what you see in this software with what the goals are. 40,000 people in the US die each year in preventable auto deaths. FSD is getting close to eliminating that problem. distorted public sentiment will hamper that effort. i work against undue media distortion with that in mind. my thought is for the common good and the first successful self driving system is another step towards that goal. thanks for listening. peace.
clickbait titles are the worst