Why I’m Concerned About the ‘Tradwife’/ ‘Red Pill’ Movement | Ep 809
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- Today, we're talking about a movement within both the secular and Christian Right, which has been called the "trad" movement or, in some cases, the "Red Pill" movement. It perpetuates views that could easily be seen as hateful toward women. Many of the men in this movement complain about women and equate masculinity with physical fitness and ultra self-sufficiency. In some of these circles, these men emphasize the importance of finding a traditional, service-oriented, submissive wife. But it's not just men. Twitter and TikTok are littered with "trad" women complaining about feminism and claiming to be the antidote to it as "trad" wives while simultaneously representing some of the worst forms of feminism themselves: being loudmouthed, using foul language, and showing off their bodies in a way that is by no means traditional. We talk about why this is not a biblical view of women and why this actually perpetuates hate toward them. We take another look at those in the Christian patriarchy crowd who think only men should be fighting the political battles and who appear to have an issue with the very nature of this podcast. We give our message to them. Then, we share a tribute to Tim Keller, who passed away last week and left a great legacy.
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Timecodes:
(00:00) Intro
(00:57) 'Trad' movement / Red Pill movement
(10:11) 'Biblical patriarchy' and micromanaging women
(14:21) A woman's highest calling
(18:12) This podcast / speculation
(25:35) Covetousness
(33:06) Encouraging messages from the pod
(39:02) The Bible is also for women
(43:43) "Men should fight battles"
(50:27) Tim Keller
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Why I’m Concerned About the ‘Tradwife’/ ‘Red Pill’ Movement | Ep 809
I am a proud traditional wife. ❤ I don't care anything about any trend. Proudly traditional for 20 years. My husband is our head of household. Our sons are being raised with an intact family and we hope when they are old enough to have families of their own, there will be actual conservative women out there.
Amen
54 yo trad wife, hard working nurse and farmer, had no idea this was a thing.
Same. I was a housewife in 2005 before I had kids. I took care of house and husband, and it worked well for us. Now all of my kids are teens and in school, and I still stay home.
Same! ❤
It's a pleasure to see so many young women reject feminism and
serve their husbands and family! How any professing Christian could criticize that, I have no idea!
This is where I draw the line, if I have to rely on third parties to watch my children (school, nanny, daycare), I’m doing too much, my children are my responsibility, that’s my highest calling as a married woman with children.
I’m with you but it’s also ok to get a sitter once in awhile .. mom burnout is real and zero time as just a wife is just not good for any couple
@@Kwildcat13 totally agree, moms do need some me time
That’s a great conviction to have. I feel the same way. We should also leave room for sisters in Christ who might have different convictions about childcare. I guarantee Allie Beth is a great mother who devotes lots of time to caring for her children and probably also has some sort of childcare arrangement.
Yes! I'd rather hire someone to help me clean my house than watch my kids.
@@chelseabarker2250 I agree, I don’t have family around so I can only rely on my husband to watch the kids, which thankfully he doesn’t mind at all
Happy Anniversary to my husband and I! Im honored to be his wife of 19
Years. I gave birth to our 6 children, I homeschool them and take care of our home. My husband provides for us and helps me and LOVES us. I am so thankful. 🙏🏻
Terrific for you! And terrific for Allie! Both living out your calling from God and in a wonderful marriage.
Good job, mama!
Husband and *me*
AMEN. Titus 1:2 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Thank you for all that, MomDawg.
I have always had to work, ever since I was 15 and was pretty much fending for myself. I was called to be a teacher and love my students and what I do. My family and children will always come first, but I have seen God work miracles in my classroom and through these relationships. I would like to stay home, but for right now, I value where God has placed me and what He has called me to do.
Same! Working since 13, now working as a teacher. 🎉
I’ve been a traditional wife since I got married but it was never even a consideration that it was a political move or something rebellious in nature.. it literally just worked best for my family and our finial situation. I did however grow up thinking it was wrong to be a stay at home mother and wife and that when I pursued this lifestyle it did feel wrong at first because I was “supposed” to go to college or “supposed “ to work but that didn’t call to me, I wanted to be a wife and mother and support my husband as her grew in his career. However it was never enforced by him nor was it ever held over me as a means of control, in our biblical marriage we view our parts as equal opposites that have valuable function but have failings as well where the other can provide support. this gender war is so dizzying.
1950s style submissive wife here and i have no shame. Homemaker, homeschool teacher hopefully soon to be homesteading. My husband works 50+ hours a week, darn straight he deserves a homemade dinner and his wife and children greeting him with joy each day. Fellas when you come home from work and your children come rushing out the door to hug you, your wife is smilling from the door and the smell of a good country supper is in the air. Thats happiness , thats worth fighting to protect.
My sentiments exactly.
I call bull. Women in their 60s and 70s don't create youtube channels and have profile pictures like yours. You're very engaged in commenting on this channel which is just not a generational norm. Something doesn't add up
@@RachelDee You are correct I'm not from the 1950s but I live the lifestyle of a 1950s wife.
@@cleopatrablackwell3414 it sounds like your lifestyle is coming from true values, but the outward demonstration of how that plays out is not the root thing we should be valuing as wives and moms.
@@RachelDee I get the feeling this is very aesthetic driven for a lot of these “trad wives” I miss when traditional wives weren’t obsessed with online attention lol
I completely agree with you, Allie. I am a Conservative Christian stay at home mom and homeschooler. I am very concerned about the movement for the reasons you state. It seems to be built upon a foundation of superficial externals. There are many ways to be a traditional wife, but the role goes a lot deeper than what you see on social media. My concern is that young girls use social media as their primary source of inspiration for “how to be” rather than cultivating the inner character through prayer and reading scripture and seeking out mentors that can guide and provide prospective. There is no cookie cutter wife and mother. We all need to walk in the unique giftings and calling that God has on our lives. It’s a wonderful pursuit to strive to be a wife, homemaker and mother and do it well, but it is not always so glamorous either. There are days when things are falling apart and you are relying on the grace of God to get you through, but God is working in those moments. If the traditional wives really wanted to show what it is like, they would take a note from history books and see that women didn’t clean and cook all dolled up. They had cleaning clothes and would change and put makeup on after the chores were done. It doesn’t make for a nice Instagram story when your hair is a mess and you are scrubbing vomit off the floor because your kid didn’t make it to the toilet in time though. The sad thing is that it builds false expectations for young girls. Marriage and family life are not leisure, it is hard work, but it is rewarding work. I also agree about your stance about this being a secular movement. The outfits some of these girls are wearing are not in line with the modesty we are called to as Christians and if their men were acting as spiritual leaders and protectors, these videos would not be posted. However the men in these videos seem to bask in the “look at how lucky I am to have such a sexy wife” moment they are in. There seems to be a lot of vanity in it all and gives feminists ammunition against mainstream traditional wives and mothers who do not act in this manner and lump us all together.
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So what I'm understanding is that Allie's contention is that the movement is unrealistic
@heather.... So well put💯
The social media esp Tiktok has become an epidemic for the teenagers and young adults esp...
@@U_neeklissAnd secular not representing Biblical values
A lot of women in the comments are misunderstanding Allie's vantage point here. Shes not condemning the concept of traditional wives as a whole, she's pointing out the fringe sect of the movement that is a smokescreen for woman-hatred, misogyny, sexism, all the words. I think this is an important phenomena to pay attention to and I wont willfully misconstrue Allie's words just because I am a traditional wife myself.
@momo 💯Agree
Amazing how we all listen to the same piece of information yet interpret it so differently even opposite of what was said.
We need to understand the CONTEXT to avoid misconstrying someone's words and actions.
Its like an epidemic with people today! 😅
I fit into the “trad [Christian] wife” category. I don’t have any social media accounts/ profiles aside from this UA-cam account, but I don’t make videos or anything like that. I find the promiscuous trad videos disturbing and a display of the exact opposite of “trad wife” life. I do like the videos with practical cleaning and cooking tips as well as prayer and advice which gives me a sense of community and fellowship. We should pray for our misguided brothers involved in the red pill movement and our sisters who are possibly grifting and advertising a lifestyle rather than living it in a Godly fashion, wholeheartedly. ❤✝️🕊️🙏🏻
yes. Those practical cleaning tips are sooo stimulating.
@Count.... Awesome❤
I aspire to follow in your footsteps when I'm married.... Presently my active social media accounts are UA-cam and X- twitter
I’m a 23 year old traditional wife and mother. I didn’t even know it was a trend. What a great movement for this country. To have men and women step up and say “I’m taking back my family” is what we need. When my husband and I got married we decided that once I got pregnant I would stop working and stay home. It was financial a sacrifice we were willing to make. THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE A CULTURAL CHANGE. This is how you take America back! YOU RAISE YOUR KIDS, MAKE YOUR OWN FOOD, CARE FOR YOUR FAMILY. This is how you stop relying on corporations for your every need. Women being taken out of there homes has led this country where it is today. The way to Change the culture is to change your own home. I haven’t heard of the version of “trad wives” your speaking of. Sounds few and far between.
Great! With forethought, a commitment to home and family, frugal living, and a contented disposition, other young couples could do the same!
My husband and I determined that I would stay at home with our children should we be so blessed, and our lifestyle was based on his income. In time we had children, and I was convicted about homeschooling them as well. God met our needs but not all of our 'greeds!' The active parenting years passed quickly.
We now enjoy grandchildren and the fruit of our labors as displayed in the lives of our children. God is faithful.
I’m 25 and also a stay home wife and mother ^.^ . Glad to see someone from my generation going back to old fashion values . Our children will grow up strong and with minds of their own. Our marriages are more likely to last than that of the modern day concept of what marital unions are.
It’s not few and far between, or else I wouldn’t be talking about it. I am not talking about actual traditional wives and mothers.
Allie thank you for bringing awareness to this.
@@AllieBethStuckey One of these guys was on your podcast when his podcast wasn't popular and you were biblical enough then to give him a platform to get his name out there. But now somehow its not right for you to have the podcast? I guess you didn't give all the Right Response(s)...
I'm old enough to remember how women were treated prior to feminism. We were treated with respect, courtesy and chivalry. Feminism has pulled us down into the gutter and caused men in society to treat us as other men. We have been stripped of our special place. It's no wonder young women long to go back to the way things were before. The trad wife videos I have seen post scripture verses, recipes, cleaning tips and explain their views on submission to their husbands. There may be some that are not great but I think it's wise not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
This has been the vast majority of what I've seen too: eloquent and feminine women.
Oh, bull💩. Being denied a political voice is being disrespected. I'll take having the right to vote and run for office, and if that means opening my own damn doors, so be it.
Submission today means being a victim of a whiny porn- and gaming addict, possibly a narcissist. Men today are tainted and not as they were before introduction of the sexual revolution. I don't know how women want to be anywhere near them.
Prior to feminism women weren't treated with respect lmao. You could have been put into an asylum just because your husband wanted it to, couldn't vote, didn't have a voice, nobody would even care about what you had to say, doomed to be a wife even when you didn't wanted to, doomed to live with your abusive husband until you were found dead because your life didn't matter that much. I do not call that "respect". I know all that, and I'm still a "traditional" woman, stop glamorizing this era.
No voting rights. No right to open a bank account. Can’t work as a teacher when you’re married. You’re considered unclean and sinful after childbirth. Can’t join a political party. Considered too dumb to have political opinions. That is being respectful to you? Mind you feminists have fought for your rights since the 19th century so no, you do not remember how women were treated prior to it
While the viral tradwives out there would agree with me on upholding traditional values, I can’t help but be wary of this movement because it does have roots in trendiness as well as traditional values. And yes, some people take both the practices and the aesthetics to an extreme. Allie Beth is arguing for balance. We need wives and mothers who honor God with humble, traditional values, not ones who are subscribing to a trend.
Agreed
This is exactly it! It is about balance because balance aborts or slows down the ongoing pendulum swing between feminism and ultra traditionalism we've been seeing for the past century and will continue if we don't find middle ground. Put your purpose in God and you will be centered, politicize your life and you'll be stuck at either extreme ends.
Honestly, as a man in my 20's the trad wife movement is the most refreshing thing I've seen. It's honestly a relief to see many young women making a stand against our current culture and embracing tradition. I think you'll see more and more of this return to normality as people push back against the backwards world we currently live in.
That’s called living out Biblical values lol. Allie’s point is that the sect of the “trad” movement that dictates that women don’t speak unless spoken to and aren’t allowed to read for Scripture without their husbands is not Biblical it’s legalistic and toxic. We should follow what Scripture says and not add to it.
It is not normal, it is rather a fetish and it is very unpleasant!
I totally get that! My youngest son is so discouraged by the way of our current culture. But let’s not let the pendulum swing too far the other way. Don’t settle for anything but a woman who LOVES Jesus with all her heart! Thats what makes a good wife.
I’m a young millennial that is home and living traditional life with my husband I find this all very disturbing honestly. Allie is right here!
@@snsdb42 oh definitely! I agree 100 percent! Any relationship I enter Jesus has to be at the center of it.
it felt like 80 percent of this episode was you defending your podcast, so it strayed from topic. I think that '' trad wife movement is good. i think a lot of woman would desire to live this way solely with no secondary job that takes them outside the home, however they don't pursue it because they don't believe it is enough and also because they fear divorce which is rampant in today's world. i think the only thing that can be toxic about the movement is being stuck in a bubble as a trad wife, only care for your husband and children and not having your family serve your church and community. the American dream with Christ in name only, and church at a friendly distance.
what if your husband died?
@@annettebaskerville1582be an entrepreneur, like the Proverbs 31 woman
@@jojijosette5946 most new business owners fail. I’m the ones who succeed work and overtime for years before they are able to pay any bills with it.
There needs to be a real life back up so mom isn’t on the street getting her kids work away.
I respectfully disagree with you Allie. As a 58 year old woman, it warms my heart to see the younger women embracing more traditional wife and mother roles for their themselves, their husbands, their children and the management of their homes. I also find it refreshing that these younger women are finding joy, happiness, fulfillment and abundance of peace and satisfaction from being a traditional wife. Overall, I see this as a positive movement and a true blessing from God if families can afford for the wife/mother to be able to stay home full time if that is what she feels led to do in her heart. God Bless.
She never said she was against it, everything you just mentioned she thinks it’s wonderful too.
But I agree with Allie. Not all of us are pretty enough, sexy enough or shrewd enough to be supported by a man, much less to be a trophy wife. Thanks to my parents, I don’t depend financially or emotionally on my husband. Still, we just watched the graduation of our oldest biological grandson with 93 classmates in San Salvador who all seemed headed for conservative university careers. I am also an advocate of traditional marriage but the best boyfriends are often the worst husbands. Guarda tu corazón, by Alex Zurdo, is one of the most popular songs on Christian radio here.
@@annbrucepineda8093 I'm confused as to why you specified biological grandson. As a mother of an adoptive son I find this kind of language troubling. Just wanted to mention that.
@@tanyabaker4809 We have five grandsons, Tanya. The oldest was born before our son in law met our daughter but she has loved him since she met him and no party for him is better than her parties. His mom is beautiful but she wasn’t interested in marrying our son in law when she got pregnant. Now she is married and has twins but we have no relationship with her. Her son is our grandson. We love on him, celebrate his birthdays, give him presents, share travel and celebrations like last night’s with him. Pray for him. He is a fabulous big brother but not our daughter’s biological son or her adopted son. I’m sorry that bothers you but I don’t see anything wrong with what I said. You assumed our oldest grandson was adopted but he isn’t. He has four parents and eight grandparents. We al love him. He is quite fortunate and part of a large extended closely bonded family with many cousins, aunts and uncles, too.
@@annbrucepineda8093 beautiful. Thank you for explaining. I recognize that you did not have to take the time to do that and that was very kind. As an adoptive parent it's just hard when people differentiate between biological and adoptive. I like to let people know. Often people do not think about how it affects the adoptive children. So that's a little more of my background. I wish you all well!
The ‘tradwife’ movement is for the most part phony because it is sort of “role playing” rather than coming from the heart. You see, just playing the role of a 50’s wife while maintaining a haughty spirit or independent spirit misses the whole point. That which should matter to a truly born again child of God and disciple of Jesus is that the heart is in the right place first before the “structure” follows. It’s about the heart primarily. While for some women and their husbands this ‘trend’ is coming from a genuine and heartfelt place, the vibe that is being given off by many in this “trend” is actually very snarky and arrogant. It starts to miss the true spiritual and emotional dynamic that should be in place and instead replaces it with a sort of physically manifested “righteousness” which actually stinks.
Again, there’s nothing wrong with it theoretically, and the structure may actually be very sound and accurate, but if it’s not coming from the heart but rather a trend, then something is off.
I agree Mike. Back in my day, it was "stay at home mom/wife". There was some backlash, esp in the 80's for those choosing to homeschool. It seems this "tradwife" is a way to attack women again. I am NOT God, I do not know His plan for others. Women working outside of the home, is not my business unless as an older Christian women I am moved to teach a biblical truth that can help them. I am happy to make my husband a sandwich, however I do not wear skin tight, low cut top/dress , makeup, "braid" my hair, and then turn on a camera with more filters to post to the world to preach what a great woman I am. It is all vanity. There are so many great UA-cam channels with Christian women who are teaching biblical principles, stick with those.
@@letitbeknown4164 Yes, and something I find interesting about the whole tradwife trend in how it’s developing is that it’s almost a mockery of the very thing they say they are trying to espouse. Because it doesn’t appear to be coming from a “clean” place in the heart, it’s sort of becoming a mimic of what should be, but in a sort of theatrical manner. Kind of like trying to ‘clean up’ the outside while knowing that the inside is still dark - and even enjoying that darkness while preaching to others. I had a friend and him and his wife got all caught up in this trend, but ironically they were also open about the fact that they practiced all manner of licentious perversions in their private life. And when I observed the situation, it was almost as if both of them enjoyed the whole “clean/innocent” image thing because it made the perversions they were into so much hotter (in their opinion) because it was juxtaposed in a way they found provocative.
It was sort of an inverted version of truth - which is one of the reasons I think this movement is so captivating.
There is no "tradwife red pill" movement, other than the algorithm driven one that she has concocted in her mind. It's just more women waking up and some have decided to post on social media. Just because Allie and others saw it on the phony algorithm of Twitter and UA-cam doesn't make it a "trend that's heartless." This is what happens when you spend too much time on social media: you fall for their version of reality. She falsely said something was "trending" just because it's all over the Marxist Big Tech controlled platforms, which aren't accurate. This is all a planned distraction to keep us from paying attention to the evils happening in this country, and many of y'all, Allie included, have fallen for it.
Strongly disagree with your take on this one regarding trad wives. As a 25 year old, with a mom who was the breadwinner, I had no concept of what the traditional and highest functioning family structure should look like. If not for the “trad” movement and the encouragement of stay at home moms, moms that homeschool, homestead wives, AKA trad wives- I would have no idea how to be a stay at home mom. It’s a great movement, I fully support it, and it should be the ideal for the wife to fully prioritize her husband, children, and home.
AMEN. Titus 1:2 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
@@lifeofbeautyk448 And that's okay? A woman who works but still prioritizing their family is still biblical. The woman in Proverbs 31 has helpers, sold garments, supply the merchants, buy fields, plant vineyard, and make earnings. All while watching over the affairs of her household. Lauren Chen once said being a youtuber allows her to fully nurse and take care of her baby because it'd only take a couple of hours in a week to make content like this
@@angelaa5605 exactly. I work only 15 hours a week and I get to bring my kid with me. (I clean a church day care) and she loves it. I consider myself a stay at home mom. I'm with my kid every day, but that little bit of extra really does help I've paid off my car and some of our debts. I think what is making everyone mad is that they think she is saying stay at home wives are a bad thing, but she's not. She's saying the trad wife movement is. There's a difference . Ones more like role play and aesthetics and the other is actual hard work and being a wife and mother. Not dressing like a pin up and talking like a baby.
@@anneshirley9560 well said
Another person unfamiliar with the trend of trad wives that she’s speaking about. She’s not talking about people like you. Go research this weird trend and you’ll get it. It’s actually putting women down and imo not glorifying to God.
Traditional conservative Christian wife here. I don’t understand why people are getting so upset with her on this. I’ve been getting sick of seeing all these red pill people talk about trad wife’s, while they can’t even live a moral life. Also the Bible never said women can’t work. Keep on the good work Alley!!
The bible said you MUST submit to your husband. You forgot about that?
@@chuck1052o I didn’t. But what you seem to be forgetting is that the Bible also says “Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church. He gave himself up for her to make her holy, purifying her in the bath of water by the power of the word, to present to himself a glorious church, holy and immaculate, without stain or wrinkle or anything of that sort. Husbands should love their wives as they do their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.” Eph 5:25-28
And does the Bible say to send your children to school, nanny or daycare? Let’s apply the Bible both ways, and just to be clear, I’m not one who looks down on moms who don’t have other options, if they have to work outside of the home it doesn’t make them bad mothers, but that’s not the ideal situation.
@@athomewiththemrs9410Is the Church supposed to be obedient to Christ? Or is this an egalitarian relationship?
@athomewiththemrs9410
You are spot on! I am a traditional conservative wife as well, and it is crazy how much unbiblical blathering is done about the role of women and men now! No balance, no nuance, and lots of self righteousness. Keep it up, keep looking up! Blessings!
I'm pretty sure red pill and trad movement are not the same... definitely should not be used synonymously.
She said that….
As a millennial woman that is home and living traditional life with my husband, I am very concerned about this trad movement. She is 100% right about this.
Did you listen to the video at all
@S Y agreed. Both movements are extremely concerning. As a single woman trying to navigate dating I see the redpill garbage to be extremely destructive. It's essentially the male version of feminism, and is teaching men that women have no value, besides her low body count, and fertility. And yes, I agree, promiscuity is wrong, I don't think those are the only values a woman has. It's basically extreme male chauvinism rolled up for men that have been hurt, creating a huge woman hating narrative. And seeing Christian men buy into it constantly, is very scary.
OG Feminist and femnazi are not the same and should not be used synonymously
Many women are happy to run Traditional Households. While many are religious and strive to be an example of The Proverbs 31 women; many others aren't. But they recognize the traditional role of the manager of the home is an excellent way to live your life.
The Proverbs 31 woman also ran her own business, had her own income and knew how to manage money well. It really irks me how Christians seem to interpret a traditional wife as been someone who is solely dependant on her husband for money.
Proverbs 31:11
[11]The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, 👉so that he shall have no need of spoil.!!! = income.
It's extremely dangerous for women to be completely unequipped to earn a living. My husband had a heart attack and almost died at 40. We had two small daughters at the time. It drove home to me how important my professionals skills would have been in supporting my family had the worst happened.
There are many other scenarios in which a woman may be forced to earn a living for the family. Living in the belief nothing adverse can happen to your husband is foolish and irresponsible.
@annette.... 💯 Thanks for sharing
Prov 31 is very clear that while a woman is a home maker, she should also develop a skill that generates income
@@daisymiano925 Yes exactly I was just about to say the same thing about the Proverbs 31 woman. She also ran her own business, had her own income and knew how to manage money well. It really irks me how Christians seem to interpret a traditional wife as been someone who is solely dependant on her husband for money. Also I feel like in this day and age there are many more opportunities for women to start their own business or get a flexible job that fits around their children.
@@Elfling26 💯
The Red Pill movement has concerned me for awhile and I’m glad she is speaking to it.
So many people confuse reacting to feminism with following the Bible.
Sadly, many of the commenters don’t seem to understand what she is saying.
Edit:
I’m noticing using labels can lead
To confusion. Specifics might help.
Concerning things I’ve commonly heard in the Red Pill community:
*Evolution designed men to sleep around. Men can commit adultery and women shouldn’t get upset. Women should never commit adultery though.
*Men must have “game”. There are tons of videos in the red pill community teaching men how to lie to and manipulate women to get sex from them without a relationship. They convince themselves women like this. It’s “how they’re designed”.
*relationship is not a partnership. It’s a trade of services.
*Men and women must bring something to the table. Women must being sexuality and loyalty. Once they age their value as a human diminishes greatly.
*Men do not need to bring loyalty to the table.
*Sometimes a man has to slap his women in the face. Because women are irrational and that’s the only way to make them submit.
*Women should submit because they are illogical and irrational.
*If a woman doesn’t have market value, if she isn’t submissive to men, she should live on the streets.
*Throughout history men have built society and sacrificed. Women have not added anything to society except having babies. They have always lived pampered lives and only men have worked and sacrificed. Therefore women owe loyalty and respect to men. Men do not owe loyalty or respect to women.
I have often seen them mock abused women. “They probably deserved it”.
Concerning things I’ve heard in the trad movement:
*we women are illogical so we should just do whatever our husband says.
*I ask my husbands permission to go outside, etc…
*Women have ruined things by working outside the home or getting paid for your labor Working for money is “trying to be a man” women should only work for free.
Women shouldn’t need a back up in case something happens to their man. That’s just feminist thinking.
Women shouldn’t go to college because they can’t discern logically and they’ll just get brainwashed to be woke. Men can go to college because they have discernment.
Notice I didn’t say they all talk like this.
But it’s very common and I don’t see other red pill people correcting them
@@chuck1052 the way you say that makes me think there’s only one explanation that could make it past your confirmation bias.
Could be wrong.
I’m not understanding how your response to comment relates to my comment.
@@chuck1052 right! It’s the horrible women!!!
I figured that was the only answer your confirmation bias would allow through.
Allie understands what she is saying. She is correct.
Just a little logic, saying the red pill guys concern me doesn’t mean feminism doesn’t concern me.
But I agree with Allie that 3rd wave feminism and Red Pill ideology are symptoms, not causes.
@@branver1172 You and Allie are Feminists. There is nothing wrong with wanting a Trad Wife. Go read The Bible.
The Red Pill, when it comes down to it, is all about three major tenants
1. Awareness of female nature
2. That society, both legally and socially, encourages and incentivizes the worst aspects of female nature
3. That due to these incentives, men are better off single and childless. Never sign a contract with someone who will be rewarded for breaking it
That's how the Red Pill was until the tradcucks hijacked it. None of the tradcons who are currently utiliizing Red Pill philosophy will ever mention no fault divorce, gynocentric family courts or any of the many other issues that drive men away from pursuing marriage and fatherhood.
All they're advocating for is marriage but without the removal of policies that give women full power over everything a man owns once that contract is signed. In other words, ignore the risks and walk in blindly.
As long as they are silent on those issues, their activism is meaningless.
There is no "red pill movement" with traditional housewives; It's just more people waking up and choosing to share their story on social media. This "tradwife trend" thing is nothing but a planned distraction, and you're falling for it.
A woman who can stay at home, run her house hold and care for and educate her own children is a blessing to her family and is blessed herself. No one will ever convince me that i would be happier at a 9 to 5 dealing with strangers all day than with my own children and family. We live in a society that praises selfishness and we as Christians are called to the sacrificial love of others. I was taught that you put your spouse, then children, then yourself and likewise your spouse puts you first, then your children then themself. This way you give each other's needs priority over your own and your children are always taken care and no one feels run over or taken advantage of. This is why its important to take your dating life seriously and know who you are marrying.
You’re wrong. You and your husband are to put GOD first. NOT each other. Quit telling women how they should be living their lives. Marriage and kids is NOT designed for every single woman. You women that keep talking this way are so distasteful. Saying it is “selfish” to be a working woman?! Wow. Just wow.
@rebekahjoy7921 obviously triggered. You are to put God first before your spouse Sorry, I thought that went without saying... but how exactly do you put God first? By following what He commands which is: that a woman submit herself to her husband and a husband love his wife as Christ loves the church. So i stand by what I say. Every woman should judge for herself if her family is truly benefiting or in fact suffering from her having a job outside of the home. Indeed I agree with you that marriage and children are not for every woman, and if putting her family's needs before her own is asking the impossible than she would better off staying single and childless, she would be much happier.
@kelsi 💯True
I aspire to walk this path too❤
@@rebekahjoy7921OH wow! She just told her own story and what works for them. She never imposed any opinion and as a single person I agree with her and aspire to walk a similar path.
Its OK to choose to be single too
It was well implied to me that God is the head, first center of their lives
I see a lot of self righteousness with these trad con pages. A lot of times when people talk about marriage and relationships in the trad community, they never talk about things like conflict resolution or the steps they took to get married. There’s either married so single which as someone in my 20s figuring it out, I often can feel like a failure because at 23 I’m in my first relationship. A lot of the women in the trad con community also seem to have an unrealistic view of marriage and relationships
I wish people would stop making these false divides. The problem I have with the red pill, trad wife influencer, feminists whatever, is that no one talks about love in the 1 Corinthians 13 sense. There is a lot of talk about market value and self and standards but nothing about love. We are increasingly living in a world without love.
Come on, Allie Beth! Just give us your sourdough starter recipe already! 😂😅
😂Haha
Sourdough that they don’t even eat.
Allie, I am a 63 yr old woman who just found your videos not too long ago. I totally thank God for giving you this platform to spread His truth to this new generation of women (and men) who NEED to hear it oh SO VERY MUCH! May the LORD continue to bless you with this ministry. I absolutely believe that your critics criticize you because of ENVY. Don’t let them get to you because you’re a great blessing! May God’s grace, love and mercy continue upon you, in Jesus Christ, Amen!
I think it’s so important for women to be happy in their lives. I was blessed to be able to stay home for three years when my children were young. Financially, I needed to work and went back to teaching. I was able to be with my kids in the summer and bring them with me during their elementary years as I teach elementary school. There really shouldn’t be any conflict between working moms and stay at home moms. Let’s all love and support each other as women. Be blessed.
@heather 💯Agree
I'd like to be there for my children in their formative years and then keep running my business
Allie, you have now done TWO episodes responding to the Biblical patriarchy position as though they broadly believe women should not *learn* theology, which is a major misrepresentation of the people you won't name.
Also, you invited a "gay pastor" onto your show, but dismiss your Christian brothers as "covetous grifters?"
I sincerely understand that Biblical patriarchy is a tough topic to tackle. I hope that you will prayerfully consider the position in a more charitable way and not assume the worst of its proponents.
Which episode had the “gay pastor “? Thanks 😅
@@lds251 Ep 612 she had on Brandan Robertson to debate abortion
I’ve met Biblical Patriarchy folk who believe women should stick to the house keeping and not worry their heads about meaty theology. I’ve met a lot of people like this. I’ve met men who refuse to be in a woman’s presence if she says anything about God, because he might accidentally learn something and then she was teaching him.
@@branver1172 This is why I said "broadly." Of course there are some men like that, and they are in error.
This is also why it's a problem that she won't name names. It leaves her audience unable to investigate the positions of specific people who hold this view. Many of them are pastors. Instead it's just a nebulous "some people out there."
@@savannah335 I get that. But I understand why she isn’t naming names.
I do believe these beliefs are quite common. So many Christian platforms give un-Biblical men megaphones. Many popular Christian authors push this nonsense.
The CBMW seems to have reached their fingers almost everywhere.
I am so thankful to be a traditional wife of 24 years. God has allowed me to stay at home, raise my own children, homeschool, and to learn so many new skills in my home. I have only seen good, wise, Christian “trad-wife” content online. I have learned a lot from those women. If more women are deciding to stay home, take care of their families, raise their own kids, I think that’s a beautiful thing. This episode came across very defensive.
Christy, if you’re on Twitter you would see that there are men and women saying Allie shouldn’t have a podcast. That women are not able to think through theological issues. That a wife shouldn’t read a theological book that her husband hasn’t read.
Look up Andrew Tate, a lot of his ideology is what she’s talking about with the red pill movement and toxic views on womanhood. There’s like a weird “trad” sub culture that has come up recently that is not at all biblical.
@@etogalya "Not able," or is it instead that if their priorities are well-arranged, that they should not need to think them through, because the healthy community surrounding them will communicate a lot of healthy lessons to their children without them needing to shoulder the entire burden of their children's spiritual formation?
AMEN. Titus 1:2 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
I loved what she said about the freedom of self forgetfulness, how about you?
100% agree with you on the red pill culture I can’t stand it it is so toxic! I don’t see trad wives as part of that though and I would urge women to stay away from those horrible men! ❤
The men's red pill movement is divided into several large groups. One of those includes conservative men that have good intentions. They're not wrong in believing that many women have more privileges while prone to narcissistic and wild behavior. Of course, the men are just as degenerate nowadays. It's definitely a reactionary movement to 3rd wave feminism of the 90s and onward (4th or 5th wave now). The societal pendulum is simply swinging again.
Oh no, they are part of it. The ones I followed before it was a movement used to criticize the modernity of women in our culture as toxic, over and over and over.... some are traditional for Gods glory, but some do it for the purpose to spite the Feminist movement and that will epically fail because God will show them humility for using his Biblical Ordination as a political ploy, it is blashpemous to hijack a sacrament that honors him just to deliberately make other people angry.
Traditional gender roles is Biblical. Read Titus chapter 2….women are to be keepers at home … so that the word of God is not blasphemed. ✝️💟
Yes but that's not what the trendy Trad Movement is supporting. It is another form of subjugation of women and is not Gospel freedom. There is a fetishizing, pornographic aspect to the Trad movement that does a huge disservice to women and it breaks my heart to see men & women trading truth for a lie. The Bible holds women in high regard and never tells us we shouldn't cultivate our minds and souls. It tells us to come be disciples at the feet of Jesus.
I am a stay at home wife, soon to be mother, and really have to clarify for my secular friends what that means because of how confused our culture is on this issue in a thousand different ways.
I have so much sympathy for women trying to live biblical lives like Allie. Getting attacked by feminists and red-pillers must be so exhausting.
Allie Beth - “Relatable Brother” here, Madison WI. 30 minutes in and you are spot on and appreciate you calling out the whiners. The adversary is at work in comparison. Men who are trying to live according to Gods calling and His scriptural guidance should never compare. Always be filled with cheer for the work of the Lord is spread by all who are willing and believe with faith. I want to shine a glimpse that there are a handful of us that are simply detesting the modern feminism extreme movement of secular world influence for women to “have it all” and to want and be waited on without equally yoking as a union made by God. Too bad for those who are using Tradirional conservative in the wrong way. God our Father is the judge. Continue and be who you are called. Just know there are men and women who simply are recognizing media and money have gone too far to sexualize ANY body (not just women now). And that these large influential entities are doing well for Satans diversion. I pray for you and your family, keep continue and reaching many. God Bless you
I have shared your podcast w/ other women! You are an encouraging sister-in-Christ and one of the most insightful, articulate podcasters I listen to. As a stay-at-home mama to little ones, I look forward to your podcasts to give me a biblical perspective on culture and politics at a time in my life where I don’t have time to peruse the news. Thank you for being a light in the darkness!
Prov 31 speaks well of a woman who looks after her household and also works. 👍
Exactly, nothing wrong with having a side income, but many misinterpret her ability to make some money and basically use it to justify moms working full time outside of the home and therefore neglecting their children, which again may be absolutely necessary for some families but it is not ideal
@@wendymtzcwhere does it say in the Bible it was a side income? Or are you reading that into the text?
@@abeautifulmoment2714 a full time job would contradict other scriptures that teach that women are supposed to keep the home and raise their own children, not to mention that women didn’t have “jobs” back then, what makes you think this was not a side job?
@wendymtzc women did have jobs back then, they often had to work. Yes, it was a patriarchal society, but often women still had to work to make ends meet. The Proverbs 31 woman made real estate investments, and had a business making clothes and belts. She was a hard worker, strong and industrious. How does your interpretation work with the scripture account of Lydia?
@@abeautifulmoment2714 women back then and now have always had to work, the difference is what kind of work, household work or outside work, you can decide that…
I’m amazed at how many people missed the entire point of Allie’s message.
Spot on about the micromanaging and “are they really being obedient to the lord”. I have totally seen this over the past few years, online, and to women’s faces. It’s possible to be conservative and still live out that verse saying, “there is no jew nor Greek, male nor female” and be a redeemed soul on fire for God, spilling out into every area of her life. Just like the men have the same ability too. It’s all about Gods work in us at the end. We are being transformed from glory to glory. Why would we want to limit that?
Much of this my traditional, stay at home mom for 30 years would agree with 100%!
One of the women I admire from the New Testament is Lydia. She was a dyer of purple cloth. (Acts 16:14) The dying of purple cloth was an expansive enterprise in the 1st century. She would have employed other people and was a successful business woman. Also pretty sure the Proverbs 31 woman would have had to leave her house to consider that field. :)
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Allie, I don't agree. You're going after a good movement. Is any movement perfect? no, but if the overall movement is good, isn't it better to support it overall? The reason we can't overtake the culture is because of this type of infighting. Woman to woman, even though you said you're not, I think you're still making this about you and missing the bigger picture.
As someone who is very familiar with the Red Pill and Trad Wife spaces...they are very different. Yes, there is a little bit of overlap but overall the value systems between the "trad" movement and the red pill are fundamentally different. Red Pill is basically feminism for men whereas the "trad" movement is going back to ultra strict traditional gender roles and values. The Red Pillers often like the trad wives, and there is quite a bit of conversation between the two sides, but ultimately they are very different.
She is standing firm on the word of God, if a movement isn’t rooted in the gospel a believer should not follow it. These movements are of the world and of the culture.
@@monicapq I would agree if the tradwife movement was fundamentally unbiblical, but it isn't. She's referring to some branches of it that are immodest and foul mouthed, but that isn't the majority. The majority is a movement in the right direction by Christians and some non-Christians. Additionally, the Red Pill is very different from the trad wife movement. The trad wife overall movement is way more godly than the feminist movement. I am not saying that she cannot criticize any of it, but her overall spirit was not one of trying to improve a movement in the right direction, but to tear it down because it did not approve of her. That's a problem.
She didn't name who she was talking about, you need to check yourself
@@LizzyTwifehomemaker She doesn’t need the movement to approve of her that is the point. She also did give points of improvement for example many women should stay off their phones and focus on glorifying the Lord. Being in disagreement doesn’t mean she isn’t being loving, she is speaking the truth which is loving. Many may take offense but may the Lord open their eyes. There are many movements and many will come and go but the word of God stands forever. The gospel is what we should choose to identify with not a movement of the moment.
@@DBlanco48 I'm not sure what you are implying....but I'm not one of the people she was "not naming." I don't have social media except for youtube and I've never criticized her prior to these comments. Also I couldn't care less if she had named names. My issue is that she mischaracterized the movement as a whole instead of engaging with it in a thoughtful and productive way.
I love the point you made here Allie. People spend so much time and energy on judging how others live their lives, when they should actually look inward and focus on their own actions.
So true about our primary vocation being to glorify God! I’m especially grateful for the immense impact of the female doctors of the (Catholic) Church. As a Catholic I’ve never felt like my voice and intellect in the theological sphere wasn’t taken seriously. As a single woman I’m invited to give talks at conferences and I love my G.K. Chesterton group.
Traditional wives is Biblical, God’s desire for women is that they keep the home, raise their children, submit to their husband, etc. what you see on-line is for the most part just a show to get lots of views.
God told Esther to disobey her husband, the most powerful man in the world and risk her life doing so, to speak the truth and save a whole people from genocide.
Most women in the bible had slaves to do their housework.
@@dianathomas2674 This is a pretty bold lie on multiple levels. God never told Esther to disobey her husband. In fact, the entire book doesn't show God talking to anybody. Esther also didn't disobey the king, as she honored him by following the proper protocol in regards to seeking permission to speak to him. You also didn't provide any proof that most women in the Bible had slaves.
@@dianathomas2674 good luck finding a verse that mentions God in the book of Esther…
I don't know that the Bible says that all women are to stay in the home. I can't think of any passage that says this.
I was sad she went this entire episode without once mentioning Proverbs 31...
I am a Catholic traditional wife and mother who homeschooled her children. I too believe that woman and men are equal in dignity in marriage where a man lays down his life for his bride as Christ did for his church, and a wife submits to her husband(under his mission) to glorify God. I love your podcast. Catholics do read the Bible btw and Catholic woman are free to form their opinions on culture and politics. I agree that social media is a destructive force.
Thank you! Let’s back up the Catholics here. They always get so much hate for their “lack of knowledge of the Bible.” Give me a break
Allie was calling out people who use the word Catholic or Christian but don't know what it means. They use it but don't know true religion. They are fetishizing our beliefs and values and distorting them. It's very upsetting and sad to see. She wasn't talking about faithful Catholics or Protestants living in accordance to scripture in historically traditional ways.
I don’t recall (under his mission) being a part of the Bible. That’s a feminist redefinition.
Not everyone proclaiming to be a traditional wife is as you paint them to be. Im proud to be a trad wife. I think overall it is a positive and important movement. There are going to be people who grift on every movement. I wish we didn't have to "punch" allies bc of it
maybe just making folks aware that not everyone claiming the title trad wife is an ally?
I’m going to be honest. “Trad wife” is a little cringy. It’s like a trend or lifestyle choice. What is seen as “traditional” today was revolutionary in Jesus’ time. We aren’t following a trend, we are following Jesus. There are some concerns with the “tradwife” or “red pill” movement. If it’s not rooted in scripture or is a misunderstanding of the Bible, we gotta call it out. Especially when it comes to men’s verses women’s roles, as a simple misunderstanding of the text can really hurt both parties in the long run (as we see today).
She's not talking about the true meaning of a traditional wife. Trad is an internet fad that really makes women look like 50s pin up girls imo. She did a fine job caveating that she was not talking about SAHMs.
@@chelseabarker2250 exactly. There's something off , it's hard to describe, about the people that call themselves tradwife. It seems more like role play. It doesn't seem like an actual day to day life. A lot of them really do like like pin up's. I come from a small town, and although we wear dresses to church, we get pretty dirty doing yard work or a farm, taking care of kids and animals. Real world stuff. I'm a stay at home mom for the most part ( I only work 15 hours a week at a church, but I bring my daughter with me) and I don't look like a pin up or act a certain way, but I cook from scratch and at the same time I loaded up my car with mulch and rock and can do yard work. They seem to only show the aesthetic part of being a "trad wife".
Did you watch the video?
I love the way you presented this subject. It is so balanced. Really appreciate what you do. Blessings to you Allie. 💓🙏
I'm glad you're talking about this, Allie. There has always been something that makes me uneasy about the whole "trad"/ redpill thing. Power and animosity over women is still a thing. Feminism is not the answer but neither is the way they blame women for everything and the way they tell women that being sexually available, making sourdough and kombucha is their life's only purpose as a wife
yep. but i bet making sourdough is kinda fun lol!
@@tswizzle320 I'm sure it is! The trad guys just take it too far.
Same here! The whole thing is stupid, it is a ridiculous caricature!
But do you have any trouble thinking about the man providing everything for the woman? It seems that women are often comfortable with those things things that serve them things that help them are often considered our duty as men. But women tend to get really uncomfortable when men dare talk about their preferences or their wants or their needs. The red pill movement is so tiny compared to the constant drumbeat of you go girl, and be anything you want and a man is as necessary as a bicycle for a fish. And yet the red pill seems to make people more uncomfortable. Interesting I often hear about the patriarchy, but if you really look at who is in charge and who is worshiped and taken care of, it is the matriarchy.
@@happydog6537 I see what you're saying. I guess I would just say women are inherently more vulnerable than men. I believe men are called to protect and lead women, not assert demands and foster bitterness towards them. Also feminism is widely criticized. The red pill/ trad movement is rarely talked about in this sense.
I’m stumbling across this video a little late, but I wanted to thank you for also bringing up single women who are waiting for God to put the right man in their lives or are following him through single religious life. We often get left out and made to feel like it’s our fault we aren’t mothers or have started a family yet. You truly made my day, thank you.
Allie, thank you for this video. Many points that you made were enlightening to me, whilst others were very encouraging. Thank you!
I was what would have been considered a traditional wife in that I prioritized doing what was most likely to promote my family to thrive rather than a career. While I learned so much in college to pursue a career didn't really make sense so I made supporting my husband to succeed in his career and supporting my children's career my priority while I worked part time. I have absolutely no regrets. I do not feel I lost anything important to my development. I now support my children by caring for the grands so my daughter and daughter in law can decide for themselves how much "career" is right for their family and both have chosen a pretty bare minimum. On the occasional times when a choice between sick children or work they have an option but they don't have to choose between using their professional skills and their family health.
Allie, I am a man, a Christian man, born again, spirit filled for many years, seen many miracles and all that, married, have a young child. A lot more older than you.
I watch fair a few of your episodes on your YT channel. A lot of topics interest me.
And a lot of them need to be talked about in churches and public squares. My church certainly doesn't talk about. Like ex-drag queen, gender dysphoria, current affair.
Thanks Allie for bringing these issues to the forefront. Carry on what you're doing. You have my back. Ignore the critics.
Love the quotes from those books, gonna be checking those out. Also, i think your take in the first parts of the show were quite insightful and i hadnt thought of some of the trad-wife things I've seen on instagram (granted, i dont explore much so i havent seen many) in a way that would test them biblically. Thanks lady :)
I guess there are trad wives and "trad wives" - those who are traditional in the beauty of marriage and those who buy into it as an aesthetic like Quiet Luxury, Y2K, Stealth Wealth, Cottagecore, Normcore, etc.
The biblical wife is a woman that works hard taking care of her husband, family, and home. She is one that has and is growing in Christ-like character and who doesn’t suffer from laziness also capable of making money from her God given talents, creativity and hard work. She also has to get up before dawn and make breakfast 😃😉
Her lazy husband can help out
@@rachelm9350 Thank for your misandry
Allie, your comments about trad wives made me really discouraged. Redpill and trad are not the same thing. Redpill is a movement of mostly men talking about masculinity. The trad movement consists of mostly Christian women teaching and encouraging other homemakers. This episode really hurt😢
No, the “trad” movement is not made up of mostly Christian women. If you’re talking about sincere, humble Christian women simply talking about homemaking, that is not what I am discussing here, as I described!
Sorry but I think you are wrong on this. Instagram is full of traditional (Christian) women teaching each other about homemaking. Please don’t lump us in with the red pillers
The most popular "tradwife" accounts consist of scantily clad women. It's basically soft core trad porn and a grift. I agree with Allie here.
The trad movement does not consist of a lot of Christian women. It consists of a lot of angry misogynistic “Christian” men looking to put women down any chance they get and they use the Bible and Christianity to justify their bigotry, ignorance and hatred of women. I’ve had my fair share of dealing with many people in this movement and Allie is definitely right on this one.
I had to literally block hundreds of these “Red Pilled” Men.
And I don’t have a problem blocking more because they go way too damn far.
You are probably thinking of the Bindi Marc-type. I think Bindi is different from the TradWife trend to which Allie is referring.
Try watching Estee Williams…she’s sincere, just a young girl doing a brave thing showing women how to be truly happy as a biblical wife. It’s not put on for show, she’s not legalistic or even telling women they have to wear a dress. The 1950’s aesthetic is just her preference😊 personally I adore it. She’s beautiful, and happy and peaceful inwardly as well.
We need to go back to being ladylike and let the men be gentlemen, let them open the doors for us, let them be the Bible teachers, and the lawmakers and politicians. Let them be in the army and fight, that’s not a woman’s job! Imagine if we had a woman president…how embarrassing, it tears down the manliness of men. Make the home a haven! And yes be careful to marry the right kind of man who’s not going to abuse you. But feminism is so sad.😢 it has killed the chivalry. And women now just kill their babies before birth for the sake of their own selfishness
also raising children is one of the most important jobs God has given you. You can help change the world by raising those little people! It is so much more important than your job or hobby, which will not last. Your children have eternal souls.
Now look at Amy Carmichael, there’s a beautiful example for women who don’t marry
Great job covering this topic Allie. A lot of these women and men who are promoting the "trad" movement don't understand what Christian marriage really looks like. What happens to these marriages as soon as the husband has a major health crisis and can't work anymore? What does the "trad wife" do? What happens when the wife is unable to care for the children and the husband must step into that role. Life is complicated, and these people making a caricature of the most loving, sacrificial, sacred union that God has establish between men and women is not helping anyone, especially them.
This episode is cringy and I'm normally an Allie fan. I believe Allie is giving lip service to complementarianism while embracing values of egalitarianism. What was said was confusing and not cohesive. A woman cannot be a better preacher than a man because God did not create women to be pastors, end of story. Conversely, what Allie does is not preaching, but discussing politics and theology in public, so why the defensive tone for an entire episode? What is being said in this episode is conflating a Biblical patriarchy pastor with the flaky 'trad wife' movement and they are not the same. Allie, your feelings were hurt, maybe there was validity to what he said, maybe there wasn't, but you spent much time defending what you do and it was not necessary. What your life is like in private is between you, your husband and God, but public figures unfortunately will get critiqued publically, no matter how much we wish that others would mind their own business.
At some point during this episode, she explained that people were chastising her for not giving her all to her family. So, I kinda took it as more of a conversation (er....maybe more like her defense about) weather or not it's wrong for a woman to have a career outside family life.
The comments are cringy. So many false accusations against Allie. It’s so weird.
Just curious how you see it. When is it preaching and when is it discussing? What about bloggers who write texts or influencers? How do you define preaching :)
@@faith-hearted1449 I believe the Bible says women are not to teach *with authority* in the church. If you take Paul’s verses I’m their natural context.
So, does Allie have authority to excommunicate people who disagree with her?
To discipline them?
Is she in a church service?
Then she’s probably ok.
@@branver1172Not really. She falsely said something was "trending" just because it's all over the Marxist Big Tech controlled platforms, which aren't accurate. And she should know better than to get roped into it. This whole "tradwife red pill" thing she's tricked herself into concocting (from a trend that doesn't really exist from a planted algorithm) is all a planned distraction to keep us from paying attention to the evils happening in this country, and many of y'all, Allie included, have fallen for it.
Allie, have you ever read Eve in Exile by Rebekah Merkle? I would love to hear you interview her on this topic!
We love and appreciate you Allie! God bless you 💕
I wish I could be a traditional wife, but life doesn’t allow that for everyone but I do admire the woman that can do that!
This attitude is not one of submission to God. Ironically enough you are making some of the same assumptions that your critics are making about you by speculating about their day and how long they spend on social media. You are speculating about their intentions. I'm not saying that's necessarily wrong, but don't go criticizing other people for doing that about you and then go and do that to them. It's very high school. Additionally, as someone who is online a lot and is very familiar with the red pill, trad wife and patriarchal spaces you are misrepresenting quite a bit.
She is representing many of the ones I’ve seen correctly.
You seem to be under the impression that having kids and keeping a home is somehow not Kingdom work and that teaching theology, or discussing theology etc. is. One of the best ways women can advance God's kingdom is by doing their role and by raising families and having that be their main focus. The center of culture is the home and the home is in the hands of the wife and mother. The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.
Did you not listen to video???? Please listen again and pay attention 🙏🏻
@@rubylove9475 yep, watched it twice. After the first time I did research and thought about the video, watched her linked video on a similar topic, and then watched 80% of this video again and then after all of that posted comments. The views and opinions she has come out of a deep perhaps subconscious belief that homemaking is somehow inferior to theological teaching. I'm sure she'd deny it if asked, but the attitude is pretty obvious.
So we’ll said! “The hand that rocks the cradle” does rule the world!!!
There’s no way you listened to the video. The problem isn’t taking care of house and family. It’s the erroneous teaching and tradition that it’s solely the woman’s role and responsibility to do so. TRADITIONAL does not equate to BIBLICAL .
As mentioned in the video the issue is the “Christian men who focus on submissive womanhood and not particularly strong manhood.” “The overemphasis to subdue women and then over criticize women who work in any capacity that is not domestic.”
The tradition of the woman being the manager of the home and staying at home while the husband is gone all day at work is not the Biblical model for marriage. It’s based on traditional norms of a certain time. Particularly a time when women had little to no rights. Human rights at that.
The world and the church has had a very SMALL view of women for centuries. It’s showing again in the way so called Christian men trying to limit women to being a mother and staying at home.
If you believe the best thing a woman can offer the world is the fruit of her womb then you’re part of the problem and completely missed the point.
I discovered your podcast recently. I really love your interviewing style. I love the topics you cover.
If it makes the person happy to be a tradwife, then i don't see a problem with it
WOW! You quoted word for word all the hate I get every time I talk about the Bible on my show also. I think they must just go from one of us to the other copying and pasting their comments! Especially the "what she says is right but you sound so mean". LOL Just gotta say it was so crazy how it was almost word for word what they say to me also. Thank you!
Hi Allie,
It is the Biblical role for the man follow the steps of Christ. He is the head of the family; he protects, provides, leads, and secures the family unit. Meanwhile, while the children are being taken care by the mother who is educated them.
I hope you don't "educated" your children - poor things.
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Allie, I love your show and appreciate your time and effort.
Thanks Allie. I really needed to hear this 🙏🏼 ❤❤❤
I am a fellow young mom and wife and I just wanted to say this. I share such similar beliefs and views with you- but you’re so inspirational in that it seems like you were born with this knowledge, this confidence, and this good head on your shoulders. Whereas for me it came with age and experience. Thank you for being an inspiration for us all.
She was raised in a Christian conservative home which helped, but she had to have her own journey in college that she talks about in her book
I set out to be a counselling psychologist but became a wife instead. I have been in this role for seventeen years. We have eight children. I am so thankful I don’t have a husband that sits around playing video games or wants to go down to the pub or watch ball games. He never complains about supporting us and I have tremendous liberty with his hard-earned money. That said, there is always part of me that yearns to be a psychologist and to do research and counselling. I can sometimes covet his position as a doctor and dream of what I’d say to his patients. I love trying to help damaged people and it brings me tremendous joy when I see people being helped through social, marital, and psychological problems. I do have a sadness that I missed my boat and am on a decline of ability to complete my studies now. I also lament not having amazing homemaking or “fun” mothering skills, but it is what it is.
I think it’s okay to pursue what you feel called to, just know that whatever way you go, you may be called out of it by marriage or divorce or widowhood, parenthood or childlessness, rising to that top or scraping the bottom. Do it all faithfully as unto the Lord.
it's not too late, you should go for it! Does your husband encourage you to pursue something you're clearly passionate about?
I loved your vulnerability and was encouraged by your last sentence to do it all as faithfully to the Lord. When I read the first part of your comment, I admit that I was sad and jealous because I have been married 16 years and only have 2 kids. I wish we had more than 2 and it pains me every day.
For a number of noble reasons I went back to work part-time when my oldest was a toddler. It was in a field I loved and I was working with family. Part-time became full-time and a decade of my life went by. A decade I could have been having more kids. A decade where my husband and I were dividing our efforts by building my career and his business. We both regret it. Even though I loved what I did career-wise, and he was in full support, at the time, and encouraging me in my career growth.
You always have time to go back to school and pursue your passion and I pray you get that opportunity. An amazing woman I know went back to school in her mid-late 50’s after raising her kids and became a counselor. She is in her 60’s now and I have watched her counseling practice grow exponentially and thrive. She launched a local women’s ministry with some friends and wrote a book too. She has helped a lot of people and is highly sought after in our town. You have plenty of time! Don’t give up on your dream.
It’s good you had kids while you could. You can never get that opportunity back. It’s something I think about every day. I am staying home now and managing our home, kids and lives. We are building my husband’s business and our family is thriving. I miss aspects of my career, but I think about a 3rd child every day and how my best years for that were the years I gave to my clients.
I agree with so many of the points you've touched on and I don't see this biblical perspective being presented as often. I grew up in a home where secular traditional roles in marriage were pushed and biblical principles on marriage were cherry picked and twisted to fit that secular patriarchal toxic view. In my household, what I witnessed and experienced was unjust and unbiblical. (I recognize that my experience is not everyone's). I believe secular traditional has it's flaws and without biblical guidance- can cause many, including myself to run in the other direction. This led me to a progressive toxic view on marriage. I'm a professional with a successful career in Healthcare. As I prepare for marriage with my fiancé, we are taking premarital Christian classes at church that really dive into what a biblical marriage is and should be. This has been so eye opening because I now see that the underlying issue in our cultural discourse on marriage is that it's secular: regardless of "conservative" or "liberal" perspectives. Christ's design for marriage is the only way to please God and to achieve true oneness and peace in marriage. As we search scriptures and learn more of who and what God has called us to within our marriage and home, i find myself shedding the toxic roles and perspectives pushed by society from all sides. We are called to think critically and biblically. We are called to use wisdom and discernment. And I for one, am relieved and grateful to have been directed to this channel.
I have watched your podcast almost every day since I first found it. I send multiple videos to my wife every day and your videos have been a major blessing to us. Continue to follow Christ in everything you do and let the talkers talk. We know if God has blessed it Satan will do what he can to tear it down. May I ask a favor if you get a chance to give an update on the couple who are having a problem with the CPA. My heart goes out to them.
Thank you and may the Lord continue to bless your ministry.
Relatable Bro over here, I love this podcast, Not married yet, praying for a wife. Keep it up.
"praying for a wife" aren't we all?
@@neverhadagf5347 and your point is?
@@Philx.v I can relate to your situation and sympathize
@@neverhadagf5347 my bad, and thank you.
@@Philx.v You're welcome. You are not the only one going through this! I used to think I was until I read more about it.
Just seen the title to this video… I believe in being a woman who represents the type of woman, like in Proverbs 31. Ruth was a good example of a virtuous woman. Truth is, I do believe that women were meant to raise up the children, take care of her husband, and be the homemaker. I feel that ever since women’s Lib, women have wanted to wear the pants in the family, but that wasn’t God’s prescribed order. Man was created first , than the woman, the woman was the one who was deceived by the serpent. The character of the Christian woman/ wife, is not to be forward with her husband. Society has changed, but God’s Word never changes, because God doesn’t change, he’s the same yesterday, today, and forever. Man has been trying to do away with God’s Ways, for a long time. If people would stop trying to get away with sin, the world would be a better place.
AMEN. Titus 1:2 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
I understand what your trying to say but I still don’t understand how that is somehow saying that women can’t work, women (especially poor women) have always worked, whether it was being a servant or working in family trades etc. as long as you don’t neglect your home and put it above your family I don’t see the problem.
You do realize that in the Bible it says that Adam was WITH Eve when the serpent was talking to her, right? He could've said something, but chose not to. They BOTH sinned. God doesn't value men more than women. We are all made in the image of God.
Women who champion trad wifey have rich boyfriends and husbands so they don't have to work. That just a small number of people. They'd have you believe working women are sinners because they couldn't seduce a rich man.
I absolutely love your podcasts! You have encouraged, reproved, inspired me. Thank you for living and speaking Godly truth
Priscilla taught theology. Phoebe was a deacon and commended by Paul. There are many women co-laborers listed in Romans 16 working alongside Paul (hint: none of these women were just working "in the home" or in kids ministry lol). The Proverbs 31 woman sold land, made investments, and had a business. There were women prophets, whom men were expected to listen to and obey. God sees and uses women in many more ways than just the home (the home is still valuable of course)- its the fall and sin and overlooking of scripture that has led us to believe that women shouldn't do these things. I think many would be surprised how deeply rooted in paganism patriarchy is!
Patriarchy is taught in the Bible, nothing wrong with it, it’s God the Father, not God the mother and when women lead it’s actually seen as shameful, women are obviously crucial in God’s plan but places of leadership are ideally only for men
@wendymtzc I disagree with you, and that's ok. I used to believe what you did, but the Lord softened my heart. It's not a shameful thing for women to lead (it actually says that nowhere in the Bible - this is purely fallible human interpretation) patriarchy is in the Bible as descriptive, not prescriptive. The attitudes towards women in times of the Bible were horrible - but God continuously lifts them up in His word despite the patriarchal culture. I know it's not popular to say these things in Christian circles, but it truly is wrong to say patriarchy is God's ideal. Women are human beings just like men, and were equals at the beginning of creation. This is His ideal. The curse introduced patriarchy. However, I don't expect you to accept this. It took me a long time to accept it myself. Have a great day, many blessings🙂
@@abeautifulmoment2714 except that we are not at the beginning of creation, but women submission is right in Genesis in case you are interested… have a good night ☺️
The traditional women days back in the 60s for example wasn't perfect but it was way better than what we have now. A woman who can really cook is what I perfer in a woman for one.
Can you not cook yourself? It’s a basic survival skill every single adult human being should know how to do. If you need another person to cook for you i suggest you grow up. 😂
@@claracvx of course I can cook for myself but a woman who is a pretty good cook like my mom is would be a big plus
There’s nothing wrong with wanting a woman that can cook. That’s one of the reasons my husband married me (not the main reason). It’s a joy to see the delight on my husband and children’s faces as they eat my food. They love my cooking and it’s a pleasure to serve them. That’s a good quality to look for in a wife.
@@growinginchrist7098the only good quality wife is the one who glorifies God by her actions, the scripture is very clear on what we should search on a spouse, and good cooking it's not one of them, that's just a secular view of femininity and masculinity are.
I totally get it!
I would love to have a little house elf to cook and clean for me so I could relax after a hard day of work. 👍
I had to replay the part where you said "weh weh!" 🤣
Found you recently.Love to listen!!!
Two fulltime incomes in one household oppresses the poor. Consider at one time buying a house was based on one income even if there was two. This was a safe guard if one income was lost. The pricing index has gone up putting cost of living even further out of reach of working poor. The other day my husband and I were stopped at a traffic light. On the corner was a daycare center we passed many times, but on this particular day the playground had about 20 little toddlers (18 months to 2 years) walking and running around. My heart hurt for them. Moms who had to place their care to someone else because they had to work. Just a thought.
What?
I know, right. It's traumatizing for a baby to be separated from his or her mom for hours and hours, day after day, to be surviving in a flick of other toddlers, with minimal supervision, by strangers.
Elevated stress hormones have been measured in kids in kindergarten. They scream for their lives when separated from their moms, and it's seen as normal!
Girl we can’t all stay home and kids like being around other kids. It’s the privilege for me
Women have always worked. My great grandma had to start milking cows a few hours after giving birth. My other great grandma was working on the field, with farm animals, walking miles at a time to get money to provide food to her 9 children. My great great grandmother was still collecting berries and herbs to sell them when she was of old age. If your ancestors had money, or you refer to the short period in the 50s and beyond, sure, but that is an abnormality of history
Very well said. And so true. Women are working to put kids in someone else's care and to pay for the house and extra care and all the takeout food. Look where the kids are now. Raised by liberals and it shows
Whew doggie. Allie coming in like Shaquille O'Neal. Elbows flying, clearing out the lane. You have mad skill behind the mic. As a man, I greatly respect you following God's call. Keep it going lady. Blessings to you and your family.
Content creation is a job … selling merch is a job… influencer is a job…
Trad wife is bringing back value among women. Fighting the feminist who tells you that ti be great and enough means go to work and leave your kids to school all day long. Trad wife reminds you about the blessing u have ans should enjoy your kids your husband the art of homemade food ans homeschooling your kids teaching then about bible etc. we need more trad wives
Part of my issue with you Allie on this subject is that you don't name names. That would help a lot. When you gave your description of both Trad wife and red pill, neither fit the prominent people most people have heard of like Rollo Tomassi, Fresh &Fit, JustPearlyThings, Kevin Samuels. On UA-cam I follow a woman named Estee Williams, and she went viral for being a Trad wife (all the conservatives channels were talking about her), but she's not promiscuous and I have never heard her be profane.
I follow Estee Williams and she’s not “profane” but her extra large breast implants are front and center and the primary camera angle she LOVES to flaunt so if you think she’s not clickbait for the likes with her tradwife page you’re wrong.
@@KatG5286exactly, she may not be profane but she’s definitely immodest
@@KatG5286 I have seen her and that’s the one reason I do not even try to follow her. Her videos pop up here and there and I have watched a few, she claims to be religious but her modesty is def lacking.
I do think there’s some toxicity in these movements and a lot of bad faith involved. Social media “trends” can become perverted
I’m newer to your podcast and channel but I like what you have to say and I love listening to you.
I am a housewife now, but before I was married I went to Catholic university and got a bachelor's degree in Religious Studies/Theology. I would never have presumed to try to become a priest or a deacon as some women have been doing. However, I was seriously looking at becoming a traditional nun. Even though I was a good theology student and have the ability to preach, I never dreamt of doing so in church. I preach to my kids now.
As a traditional Catholic, I was told that my place as a wife is in the home as a housewife. I am a feminist in the fact that I am not necessarily raising my daughters to be housewives. They can marry or not. They can work instead of getting married. There is no need for them to even get married at all if they don't feel called to it. There are three states in life that are valid and valuable. The first one is the Religious life, the second is marriage and the third is the single state.
I am interested in your podcast because I am interested in current events and cultural issues that are impacting us today.
I am a "tradwife" in the sense that I am at home every day and don't have a job. My job has been, for the past 19 years, has been to take care of my 8 kids and the house. You will never see me on Instagram or Facebook. You will find me in the comments section on UA-cam or trying to keep the mess we call a house under control. If I could, now that my kids are school aged, I would go back to uni and get my teaching credentials. I would like to be a reading specialist in a Catholic school.
I’m glad someone is speaking about this!! These trad wife’s are just as bad if not worse than trad Catholics! They think they are better than women who work and are extremely condescending! First of all, I had my recent conversion back to my faith when my eye doctor who, by the way, saved my eye, shared the faith with me in her office. She would talk about Jesus in every visit and I had to go daily even on weekends since she needed to scrape my eye to let the antibiotics in. A doctor who would see me even on weekends. She would open her practice just to see me. She is a great example of a holy woman. The purpose of this life is to do the will of God. God calls us to very different roles. I think the perfect example of a mom who owned her own business and raised some of the holiest saints including a doctor of the church is saint Zelie Martin. Her business went so well that her husband even quit his job to help her. They also didn’t homeschool their daughters only Saint Therese of liseux who was homeschooled by her older sister. All 5 sisters ended up being cloistered nuns. This is what I bring up when my Catholic friends are against me working or sending my kids to school. Everyone is called to a different path and you have to be humble enough to pray and discern Gods will and not judge others for the path they are on. You are NOT God and don’t know their hearts.
Yet here you are judging
It's never God's will for anyone to become a "cloistered nun".
Alot of that criticism by men is very valid.
Side note: I just encountered ANOTHER of the guys in my circle who went through a divorce. Initiated by his wife, of course...again initiated by the wife....this has become epidemic. Yes, a good man and there are children.
I enjoyed this podcast ! I was out of the country last week and hadn't even realized Tim Keller had died! An amazing tribute to an amazing follower of Christ! BTW...I love your sweater! Is it Carly Jean LA?
Allie,I have to tell you I thoroughly I enjoy your program💕🙏🏼✝️
This was definitely an accurate tackle on the red pill/ tradwife movement. I thank the lord I wasn’t fully sucked into it indeed scripture is a billion times better guys. The Red Pill movement will literally make you hate women it’s the equivalent of radical feminism. May God give you strength and courage to continue your work Allie I genuinely believe God called you to preach. Peace be with you in Jesus name
Allie, I don't agree. You're going after a good movement. Is any movement perfect? no, but if the overall movement is good, isn't it better to support it overall? The reason we can't overtake the culture is because of this type of infighting. Woman to woman, even though you said you're not, I think you're still making this about you and missing the bigger picture.
As someone who is very familiar with the Red Pill and Trad Wife spaces...they are very different. Yes, there is a little bit of overlap but overall the value systems between the "trad" movement and the red pill are fundamentally different. Red Pill is basically feminism for men whereas the "trad" movement is going back to ultra strict traditional gender roles and values. The Red Pillers often like the trad wives, and there is quite a bit of conversation between the two sides, but ultimately they are very different.
Allie, I have been saying to my husband and teen boys that I am growing so much deeper in my relationship with God because you consistently bring me back to the truth of the Bible! Thank you for being committed to following Christ ❤
Doesn't the Bible list singleness as a higher calling than marriage. The single man or woman can focus on the Lord rather than a spouse.
I mean, the Trad thing is OK but it won't get you into heaven and there are no spouses there. I agree that it sounds good but when you look closely is the same repackaged misogyny. Your husband is nice but he isn't your savior. Ask Abigail.
If y’all don’t understand what she means by the “trad” wife trend, you need to go research it before you shoot off your comment. Because you look silly making a counter argument to an argument Allie is not putting forth. She is not digging on what you think a traditional wife is. She is specifically criticizing both the CREEPY and cringey “trad” wife trend AND calling out people who think they know all about her life and who are making assumptions behind a keyboard. I cannot believe how many women on here are not so bright. Do not claim to know her schedule or how many hours a day she mothers. Seriously, how dare anyone make those kinds of assumptions. What is wrong with y’all?
I swear you live in my head 😂 well said, as always! ❤❤
I’ve just recently started listening and I am very happy with your views. You have a lot of spunk, and I love it. Keep it up, tell it straight. God bless you Allie.
What you're doing is very important. And there are other women doing the same and it's important... It's important to encourage other women and to lead other women. It's important to bring hope. This is just meant to cause more division.. Keep doing what you're doing. You're doing it for the lord and for us as well.... The encouragement of other women in this scary fallen world is quite important because we are the help mates to the people that rule the world..