Ruger American Stock vs Upgraded: From 100-1000 Yards
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2023
- We took a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor and upgraded it step by step showing the results along the way.
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You proved the scope was the biggest improvement of the test.
Can’t shoot what you can’t see
@@KS_Penetratorbad fundamentals with the stock rifle. The parallax error shows that head position isnt constant.
@@tiputipu777 In fairness, that was absolutely horrific parallax.
thats it,100%
I'd have liked to have seen original stock with upgraded scope at 1000 yards..
You guys usually do really good tests and comparisons, but You really stacked the deck here with that Leupold Mark 5. The take away from this MDT video was that if you use really expensive Leupold optics, your going to improve the accuracy of your rifle. Put the Mark 5 on the gun for all the tests and the margin will be pretty close.
I see your point, but you're also making their point for them; better optics (and a muzzle brake) make a huge difference regardless of the rifle. What they did was sort of like buying a stereo amp and then buying 3 sets of stereo speakers; adequate, good, best.
the scope was 4 times the price of the rifle and I thought the point of the video was how MDT products can improve the rifle. A muzzle break and a budget chassis to enhance a budget rifle. And then a $2200 scope on top.
@@biggs8729 Yes they used an expensive scope. But they were shooting at long ranges where most 'normal' scopes wouldn't do the job. You need the parallax adjustment and on most scopes that costs.
@@IHateUA-camHandles615 then why not use the same scope in both configurations and let the MDT products stand on their own? That's all I'm saying.
@@biggs8729 Ahh I see your point. That is a very excellent question!
The rifle was always that accurate but the additional upgrades reduced the variables limiting the shooter ability to see the target. Great video!
Impressive accuracy from rifle it seemed
@@misterlewgee8874 I'd say that's about what's to be expected from these particular rifles. My Go Wild American is 1/2 MOA but hard to repeat that accuracy with the factory stock since getting a consistent cheekweld is hard. I swapped stocks to a McMillan Game Warden and the consistency has taken care of itself. I did always have decent glass on it though and a brake I could rely upon.
Surprised you went that far and did not replace the trigger. Probably the second cheapest upgrade for that rifle. Recently took a stock barreled action 6.5 Grendel American out to 1550 and it was a joy. Most important upgrades are decent scope, good muzzle brake and good trigger. The rest is gravy.
What trigger do you use? I'm looking into it myself for a short action
Looking for what trigger you use as well
Well done as always Andy! Always a treat to see you shoot in these videos 👍
Good optics make a big difference. The ruger american is an excellent barreled action. The factory stock is really hard to shoot accurately. I was able to get about 1moa with mine. A great rifle to get into shooting, and spend the money on optics and a good stock later on. Great video
Yes the scope upgrade was a definite improvement.
My always said [ you can only shoot as good as you can see ]
And the chassis is a huge improvement
Tonnes and tonnes of good learning here, fellas! I’m using this video as a training tool for my clients. This is a fabulous resource (you MDT crew, too). Peace Be The Journey!
This is a great great video. MDT makes some of the best videos.
Yeah i definitely think its a mixture of all the different components working together to improve the consistency rather than making it any more inherently accurate.
Interesting though that the cheap base rifle can do as well as this with a factory barrel. My rem 700 had to be rebarelled to see a big improvement in performance. I bet a Tikka would've done really well with all these improvements.
Wow so interesting! I love these experimental videos you guys do
This is one the most informative channels on UA-cam! Love it
Great stuff!
What would’ve happened if you had mounted the better scope on the stock rifle?
Also, wouldn’t mind seeing one of these videos with a Howa 1500.
Keep ‘em coming!
MDT definitely pumping out the sick long range content on UA-cam man it’s impressive
Love it! This type of content is incredibly helpful. It would be interesting to see a similar test keeping the rifle lightweight for hunting.
Even the fully upgraded rifle is pretty light for hunting. I hunted years with a trg 22 that weighed about 8kg
I have a 6.5 Axis II Precision, optic, can and all, i just use an appliance dolly to get it to the stand.
Great heads up test. This proves you dont have to spend 5K to have a good match day. Keep the content going.
Nearly identical to my 308 build! Been upgrading over the last 2 years and it shoots consistently sub-MOA. Finally decided to drop the coin on a heavier contour Bartlein as the thin factory contour wasn't holding up to the heat well after a stage. IMO a Ruger American in an XRS with a brake and half-decent glass is an excellent entry-level PRS setup for anyone looking to get into the sport without dropping 8k on a full custom rig.
Did you replace the barrel yourself? If so how did you find the process to be?
@michaelpeters6659 I did not as the local gunsmith installs it as part of the chambering process. He made me a custom fixed shoulder barrel so I don't have to deal with a barrel nut. That said, if I were to buy a prefit from some place like Preferred Barrels or X-Caliber, I wouldn't be afraid to install it myself. There's a number of youtube videos showing how to install a barrel with barrel nut like those found on Ruger Americans or Savages.
@@05Dmax_LLY okay sweet thank you 🙏🏼 I have some experience with savage pre-fit barrels it’s nice to hear that the Ruger is similar
I put my 6.5 predator ruger in a oryx chassis, I polished the bolt and chamber, put the mcarbo trigger spring in it, a long ported muzzle break and a good fully adjustable bipod.
It would be interesting to see the performance with incremental upgrades. I’d guess the scope and muzzle brake improved the performance more than the chassis. With the muzzle brake being the lowest cost upgrade it would likely be first, then the scope, then chassis, bipod, etc.
Enjoyed the video!
This was a great video!
Really showed how good these factory rifle barrels have become!
Exactly. Pretty incredible what you can easily buy right off the shelf, and still consider it 'cheap'
This was excellent.
I have the American Ruger in 308 , and really like it . Wish i had a better scope then the Walmart scope i have . Everything depends on your budget .
But im humble for all i have .
Great video guys .
Wow, what an awesome video and well done!!!
I love your products! I'm thinking of getting a long rifle and getting the upgrades from MDT!
Thanks for the video
Perfect! You will not regret it ;)
Great Vid 🔥🔥🔥👍🏾
Need more of these videos
I like the way his mustache raps around the rifle stock😂😂
Have a Gen 1 Ruger American Standard in 223. Was able to ring steel out to 800 (believe I hit the 1000 but was hard to tell). Upgrades consisted of an Amazon strap on cheek rest, 20moa rail and an Athlon Optics scope. Was surprised by that little rifle. And it was my first time trying to shoot that far.
Awesome great shooting!
That was very fun to watch 😎; thinking about elk season right now so these are all on my mind: chassis, scope, and which barreled action to choose (and caliber for that matter).
Damn..you know the craziest thing happened when I shot my Ruger American Predator..I shot it more than 6 rounds with the stock scope mounted properly and the cheap plastic stock it came with and I was getting sub moa groups with S&B 140gn at 100 yards no problem. To think I was that close to spending more than I did on the rifle on aftermarket accessories. I was so sure attaching a piece of plastic to my rifle would make me an expert marksman. Glad I shot more than 2 mags! Fewf!! (Yes, this is satire..the rifle works fine without expensive plastic accessories. You're money is better spent on a quality optic than a new stock..Don't waste your time and money, just go out and shoot the rifle)
Awesome video
My Predator just been sitting around, this would be a good path to take. Thanks!
Thank you 😊
That’s some Lorax level stuff!
Nice video! The one thing that I need to purchase per yours and others have suggested... is The Trigger Cam. Just seem to forget... until I am on the bags again! KUDO'S to MDT for such PINNACLE SHOOTING PRODUCTS!
Respectfully, Seth
Thank you, we appreciate the support
Just putting the Oryx on my 6.5 Ruger made a world of difference. Next up is my scope.
It's cool that we saw such a big improvement, but to me it doesn't make sense to spend more on a stock than you did on the entire rifle and to put 5 times the money into the scope as you spent on the stock rifle. Along with the brake and upgraded bipod (that wasn't even mentioned), you've easily got ~$3,300+ in that setup. If you're spending custom rifle money, you might as well get a custom rifle.
Doesn't habe to be that specific scope. If it were a duplex side focus leupold results would be similar. Why spend money on a match rifle and have no money leftover for an optic
@@blantant I'm not saying not to buy an optic. I'm saying that you no longer need to spend thousands of dollars to get a decent optic. These days you can get an optic with a lifetime warranty that does what 99% of users will ever need for
@michaelhill6451 those sub 400 dollar scopes don't hold zero. Bang them against something one time and you're re-zeroing. You aren't buying a quality scope for under $400. You're buying a warranty that you'll definitely end up using. Buy once, cry once. Optics are definitely true in that regard.
@@sneakybow1 I've literally never had either of my sub-$400 scopes ever lose zero. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.
@michaelhill6451 a sample size of two is insignificant. I'm betting you're shooting Vortex scopes too. I've literally had a turret FALL OFF of a Vortex in under 10 shots. Take your rifle and drop it on its side from about a foot off the ground and shoot it and see what happens to your zero. That's nothing compared to the knocks a scope goes through on a backcountry hunt. I'm going to venture your rifles never see nothing more than going from the truck to the treesstand or shooting house. Come back when you've got something more than "my two scopes haven't failed". You should spend as much or more on your optic than you do on your rifle. Buying a good rifle and putting a cheap scope on it is handicapping the rifle. Like running regular unleaded in a drag car.
The chassis and scope are most important parts showing accuracy!
Excellent video!! Fun and learned a lot. You bought the rifle in Tennessee, where did you shoot it? Love the look of that range
Cool video
Why not test with the mark5 on the stock?
🤫🤫 buy a chassis first 😂
You guys should make this a series!! I’d like to see a savage in .308 next
I did this but way more to the extreme with the LSS XL chassis with the SRS stock, bolt and trigger upgrades, arca rail, and a Kreiger 26" barrel MTU profiled. Also used an Area419 hellfire brake and Atlas BT10 bipod.
If you are going to go that far, why not start with a better action, like a Tikka t3x?
@@chrisgreenly9796 it was my first bolt gun I ever owned and didn't want to get rid of it . Also, in NYC it's a hassle to get anything taken off your permits. And... I like project guns.
I'd like to see this same sequence done with a Ruger American Ranch bolt action in 5.56 and 7.62x39, showing not just the differences with accessories but also caliber vs. caliber. The 5.56 uses AR mags and the 7.62 uses Mini Thirty mags.
They could make the MDT for this take the 7.62 x 39 AR mags.
Why would you run that optic and chassis on a 7.62x39? That round don't have enough juice to get out to yardage.
@@jeff9062 Don't need to push it that far, just need a comparison. C'mon.
Good video. I think you should have put the nice scope on the stock rifle on tests as well.
Dang now I wanna get a mdt stock and a new scope for my Ruger
Hitting those 1k plates like they owed you money
I'm no professional but from my experience on a budget build, glass is where biggest money goes. Especially if you are handy with basic tools. Factory heavy barrel rifle, most are threaded now. A good muzzle device, (your choice). I run an Athlon Aries 4.5 x 27 x 50, Vortex 5 x 25 x 50 scope. Good 20 moa or like bedded base with like rings. A scope mount side level, tight lines are best for bubble. A swivel bipod. I ran one from Amazon out to 1200 yards for a bout 2 years without issue. Bedding, pillar bedding, partial bedding etc. on stock. Some may not need it. I Stiffen the forearm with an engine push rod and bedding material.
Work, yes. Buying is easier. However, you do learn about somethings, of which may be you can't do some of this. So this is just an alternative for budget minded or folks who enjoy doing this type of thing. Nothing against MDT.
Matter of fact I want a couple of the stock they are using for 2 of my home builds to try. I run one of their Aluminum rigs on my main setup as of now.
i have the xrs chassis on my proof barrel savage, great chassis!
i have the same Ruger but i dropped it in a magpul stock, put on a trijicon tenmile 3-18x, precision armament M4 -72 brake, and teardrop bolt handle and it's shooting just as good as the one in the video. I'm going to be giving it to a family member is a graduation present but i think I'm going to do the same set up but with the xrs chassis to replace it
Thank you for this video. After watching it, I am going to save up and get one of your chassis for my Savage Axis XP II 308 Win. I looked it up on your website, and I believe it is listed as the Savage SA. I hope that is correct.
Get in contact via the website asking the Q if the FAQ section doesn't address it.
Very interesting.
You guys should do one with a gen 2
I have the XRS, it will make a difference over a cheap stock by just simply fitting your body more comfortably, plus the extra stiffness and weight will help. I would not hesitate to buy another, they are pricy though.
i get under 1 moa with my american in 308 win at 100 and i use ppu ammo. but i still want a stock upgrade, love the video.
Perfect advertisement for the comp brake
MDT is a cheat code! 😂
I think it is the beard that makes the rifle accurate!
Had this rifle with good scope in .243 and 5/8 group 100yrds and down to 1/2inch
Guys, this test was bogus. What you should have done, before installing the chassis, is install the scope first. That way you would show the true improvement your parts make over the factory rifle. Good video though guys
Very Nice!!! What optics you going with ?
Hope yall release this Chassis systems for the gen2 rifle
As far as we are aware, they didn't change anything to affect fit so you will be good to go.
Niiiiiice, look forward to working on that build in the future then!@@MDTTAC
Interesting test. I would have preferred to see the stock rifle with the good scope vs upgraded with good scope though.
So basically scope and muzzle break were the important things. That's what I figured out on mine anyway. I still want to buy a good chassis for it at some point though, don't get me wrong. I am a little puzzled about only getting four rounds in the factory mag. Mine takes standard AR / m4 mags.
Nice Video 👍
Did anybody know-does this magpul stuff fits also to a Ruger American Standard?
What scope camera are you using?
Just a small suggestion. Maybe in the description post the links to what upgrades you have done and where they can be purchased. I have just recently purchased a Ruger American Predator and am upgrading it almost exact according to the video. The only thing I’m torn on is the ESS vs Oryx chassis. On MDT website I haven’t figured out what action ESS chassis to show bc unlike oryx it doesn’t have just the Ruger SA option. And as a new shooter I want to insure everything is compatible and corrext
Does MDT manufacture beard trimmers? Damn, bro.
If that demonstration doesn't sell chassis and better scopes, nothing will.
Go Vols!
Great video.... too bad I'm left-handed.
Wonder how close the end result would be with a vortex venom or arken ep5 instead of a scope I’ll never be able to afford.
Would like to see you do the same testing on the Ruger American base in 30-06 and Barnes TSX 180g.. That would be really helpful to all of those who shoot the Really tried & True.....
And ppl say there are no clear pics of a sasquatch. Heres a video of him shooting a rifle!😂
Does MDT make any stocks for the Ruger American Ranch bolt actions (short barrels, threaded muzzle, extremely lightweight.)
Anything for the long action?
$600 chassis and another 300 for the brake. Oh the best and most expensive improvement was the 2300 dollar scope. Should have put the 200 dollar scope on the rifle with the MDT chassis and muzzle brake that would have been a fair comparison.
I like the upgrades but i would never shoot a bipold on a stock ruger It's so flamsy but the upgrade are nice gave me some ideas
Does the break clamp on to an unthreaded barrel? The stock rifle you were using was unthreaded and adding threads would be an additional cost.
Should have just put a muzzle break and the nice scope on the factory gun to see the improvement with that. Bet it would have been real close to the fully upgraded gun.
Lol wouldnt sell the stock though. Sure its better than factory but it seems the scop was the biggest improvement
I normally like your videos but this is stacked for marketing.
You should have done the comparison with the stock vs everything Ie... Stock as stock then stock and good scope to prove you need good optics because let's face it that's the best upgrade you can do, then leave the Ruger stock on plus the good scope and muzzle break then the xrs.
That would be a better comparison and I'm an mdt lover. Got your chassis and plan on more.
Thank you for the feedback!
Thank you, MDT, for making top notch products that help with reliability, comfort, and repeatable accuracy! I have a couple of sincere questions. I promise I am not trying ti discredit any information here, and that I respect your company, but why not use the same optic throughout this video to show the ability of the fine products you make in an apples to apples comparison? And, secondly, was that truly the best group you were able to obtain at 100 yards with the Ruger factory rifle? This is not intended as a boast, but among my family are some accomplished hunters and shooters. We have been blessed with opportunities and the time to follow our outdoor pursuits. But even though we are blessed with the ability to be able to put in more shooting time than many, none of us are professional shooters, and even though we often shoot rifles built to some degree, we do have a few budget rifles among us with low to mid price range optics that shoot repeatable sub moa groups at 100 yards, and will shoot groups equal to the 100 yard group shown here at 200. I am speaking of rifles like the stock Ruger American Predator and Savage Axis II, topped with scopes like VX3 Leupold's (without an AO's), and the very affordable Vortex Crossfire II's. Are our budget combo's 1000 yard rifles? I honestly couldn't tell you, we have not as yet built a range allowing us distances beyond 500 yards. But is it doable? Absolutely, check this out: ua-cam.com/video/kFgrODnwiaE/v-deo.htmlsi=_DaAGKo3uI01Nagd . I look forward to hearing from you, and, again, thank you for your quality products!
Thank you for reaching out and we do appreciate the questions. Fair point on keeping the same scope, it would be better to compare by changing just the chassis. As for the second question, since it was a quick test and a brand new rifle, I do believe that you can get some pretty consistent accuracy out of the Ruger American Rifles. Many of our customers have used them and have been very happy with theses rifles.
I wish those cameras could show the real sight picture.
Did you say local Academy in TN? Is MDT a TN based company? I like to support companies in my home state if they make good products. Or at least it pushes me in a direction when comparing products. Nice video.
We are a Canadian company, however we ship out of Washington State.
Really did a disservice to the rifle with that POS scope you shot it with first.
The real problem with the factory stock is side loading. That wouldve made it more interesting.
So get a muzzle break a good scope and if you want her to look pretty and feel good get the MDT upgrade
What scope was the really nice one?
I think if you got a nicer scope and tried different round it would be much different I have seen the ruger American achieve .8 MOA with quality ammo but I think this video show’s really well the difference between a cheap set up vs more expensive you get what you pay for
I wanna see this with like an athlon argos or vortex viper pst gen 1
I have a 7 prc american, when can I expect any long action chassis support for it?
Good this have been just fouling? Was the rifle brand new?
Why no howa LA option on the xrs? I just went to the website to make a purchase and was let down.
Does first focal plane mean you don't have to use holdovers if there's no wind?
I've never seen a factory, out of the box, ruger american shoot a group larger than .9 with a bullet weight suited to twist.
Does the mdt work with the ruger American go wild 7prc?
James reeves supports this video lmao, up until now I didn’t believe that guy about the importance of not cheaping out on glass
I want this for my ruger 308 predictor but I can’t find the actual chassis on there we set for the 308 variant
KYL was on you. If I were to upgrade the rifle I’d just skip your chassis and get the scope.
Can you try something like this with the field stock
Good idea