I like listening to Gio but I’m confused as to what his game plan is..? He seems like many others in this space in that he just wants to talk about the problem but not do anything about it YArvin is the same way
@@brianmeen2158 People like you are incredibly obnoxious because you don’t actually read about the things you critique and just run your mouth. If you actually engaged with Gio or Yarvin’s material for 5 minutes you’d have an answer to this question. Since you are so smart how about you answer this question: what would you have us do? Please no magical thinking in your answer.
As a fellow Aussie, the Melbourne Cup was above all other celebrations except Xmas for many years. In 1969, my Catholic nun teachers argued all day about letting us watch the First Moon Landing live, but they wheeled out the TV trolley for the good ol' horsey cup every yea, without us students asking. Of course, we went in sweepstakes organised by the nuns!
Thanks for the convo. At about the 37 minute mark you discuss the question, "how did it age?" That took me to muse on a letter of support I wrote for Peter when PSU brought him before the ethics tribunal. I re-read the letter last week and what I wrote five years ago, I stand by today. What's different is that I think I am past being defensive and angry and am now curious about how people will wake up, and if they will wake up in time.
Benjamin, this is the second time I've been unsubscribed from you by UA-cam! Just fyi! The last time was a year or two ago; but here we are, they've done it again.
I'd like to remain a noble "poster," however I'd also like to make money, I'm not exactly thrilled to be entering a trade and/or technical school, amidst the breakdown of the academic credentialing system. Maybe I'll spontaneously develop a Substack career.
Substack would be neat but I think the boat's already sailed. With guys like Gio, the Distributist, Morgoth, kruptos, and so on and so forth I don't really have anything to say. So many people with more time than I and more well read than I have already said everything worth saying.
Y'alls are chill, and giving totally reasonable feedback. However I gotta say, firstly, I was a part-time student for years, and any subject at any school that's worth the money is ABSOLUTELY as bad as you can imagine (dumb plus woke) the safer subjects are pretty much entirely ones also available at technical colleges, medical school and law school are sort of also separate considerations. Everyone else is getting pushed into DIY world, or stupidtown, and establishing significant work experience without the formal credentials of yesteryear, would be a nice alternate reality. I'll submit my comments in a portfolio to Benjamin Inc. (This is for knowledge work, I mean sure, you can go start working at an office, if you're vaguely competent. I just do part-time service jobs and live cheap for now because paper pushing is not a good use of my time). Also, lots of other subjects to Substack on, personally I would actually be incorporating areas more like neurophilosophy and neuropolitics, if they still existed, although they pretty much came into existence as subfields, around the same time that academia died (RIP).
@@_BirdOfGoodOmenI was wondering when the space would get flooded with the same talking points.. guys like Gio seem to live online and that’s hard to compete against
@@_BirdOfGoodOmenbut Gio just seems to want to talk about these issues forever and doesn’t have any practical strategies of turning this around…? Same with James Lyndsay - James has been saying the same damn Thing for years now and is profiting nicely off it yet he has no answers..
Gio's name means "feathers," not to brag, but coincidentally I recently transformed into a rooster wearing a suit, playing a French horn. (My irl name refers to Northern Italian "levelers," construction workers in olden times, apparently replaced by that green thing nowadays that lets you check to see if your mantelpiece is off-kilter).
Ha! I like the PFP. As a french horn player in a previous life, I can confirm that having chicken lips does help when playing horn. Those mouthpieces are tiny!
@@miroirs-jumeaux ... The whole thing about sleep is so darned strange, isn't it? Our bodies go into a sort of coma for up to 8 hours at a time, yet we very often have major brain activity that makes no sense when we come out of that coma and the details typically fade within minutes. Sleeping is officially weird!
It's strange to hear Geo trying to dunk on Lindsay when he's so clearly out of his depth. I thought maybe Nayna could save the conversation but I don't know that he's covered the deficit.
James is not really offering much in the way of solutions - he is just profiting nicely off of saying the same things over and over. I just listened to his most recent podcast with Rogan and he’s not saying anything new
[Apropos of nothing: I just posted this short essay on Stephen Hicks's channel, and thought it would also make sense for Benjamin's channel.] The porn industry needs to be better regulated, I think that's pretty uncontroversial. However, should the minority subset of women high in sociosexuality, someone like Aella, be legally permitted in a free society to do things like porn? Yes, there's free society on the one hand, and there's functional society on the other hand, we obviously want both. I'm not exactly knowledgeable enough to compare/contrast how, for example the Netherlands (Amsterdam) handles this kind of problem, more or less effectively than for example the US or UK. But, (for the most part in the Anglosphere,) we allow certain kinds of drugs to be bought and sold, but do not allow "open drug scenes" (except recently, in woke dystopian downtown urban areas). We allow certain kinds of sexual transactions, but do not allow public prostitution, or sex trafficking. Also, I just heard Jonathan Haidt discuss in relation to regulating (or not regulating) smartphone usage for early adolescents, how children are a different case from adults in various ways. Haidt says, the cases where even Libertarians tend to agree that lines should be drawn legally, for restricting materials and activities available to children, involve sexual content and addiction (developing brains are different, we cannot have responsible, mature citizens, if they are psychobehaviorally damaged during adolescence). Personally, I'm mostly a consequentialist, pretty much Civil Libertarian, mostly Classical Liberal, and approximately a centrist. And, I think there's one important caveat, related to Haidt's summation: I think things involving sex and sexual content, and also PHYSICAL addiction, should not legally be available to children. Although neuroscience shows that lots of influences, can "nudge" people of all ages, and therefore that SOME of what the social constructivists say, has SOME validity, these observations do not constitute a justification for restricting all content, or suspending all liberties. I maintain that the ultimate defense for a free and liberal society, is that the public sphere is its own laboratory, and involves a massive experiment that's being run all the time. This includes the way in which formal education is 'administered,' as one important variable. The truth is, assuming the ultimate arbiters are human health, and replicable empirical observation, while Nietzsche and the pragmatists respectively, were wrong about which methods work best at the macro-level of society, and the micro-level of formal education, nevertheless their fundamental observations about humans and behavior, are largely being proved correct. Blank slate is wrong, the existence of "individuals" on the traditional definition is wrong, and Sapolsky and others explain how determinism is essentially being proved correct. So, why should we not all become Nietzschean pragmatists? In what sense is Classical Liberalism still defensible? Well another question is: since blank slate was disproven, should we have immediately adopted a "guilty until proven innocent" legal precedent, whereby all defendants are convicted or not, based primarily on immutable characteristics? The ultimate question to address this predicament is: what is philosophy? Answers might differ, but if it's essentially: the most adaptive set of heuristics by which people typically engage with the world, and also seek to develop and maintain a functional society, then Classical Liberalism is entirely defensible. Liberalism's claims cannot be proven literally correct, in a neuroscience research lab, just the opposite. But, as a set of adaptive heuristics, there's hardly any argument to be made AGAINST Liberalism. I'm not a philosopher, not sure if I have this part exactly right, but it seems to me that (perhaps strangely,) it's effectively been through the process of proving Liberalism's epistemology to be false, that we've proven its ontology to be all the more accurate, and have thereby ultimately strengthened the paradigm.
I will never understand doctors for surgery outside of the worst of paid butchers. This is for all truely selective surgery. Anyone who's gone through training on the human body knows messing around means harm. Medical is allowed because it reduces worse harm. Selective due to insurance is also allowed (non-life threatening, but something like not having teeth is still gunna be a problem). Just blows my mind how people with knowledge of the human body can even go there and not think "im one of the baddies"
Plastic surgery has muddied the distinction between surgery for health and for looks for decades. Now you introduce a surgery for looks, which is asserted to be necessary for health and "liberation", and here we are.
Also "egalitarian world" just is never going to happen. It's silly on all fronts. We're going to have billions of people living equally with equal power regardless of any factors? Like get real. We want to eliminate poverty and give people strength, but egalitarian is just not real
“Living equally” Yeah that has never made sense to me. I’ve talked to DEI types and tries to get answers out of them for how they plan to achieve it and they sidestep the issue
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Giochads ASSEMBLE!
Giochads rise up! 😤😤😤
Gios's "Top Guys"
I like listening to Gio but I’m confused as to what his game plan is..? He seems like many others in this space in that he just wants to talk about the problem but not do anything about it
YArvin is the same way
@@brianmeen2158 People like you are incredibly obnoxious because you don’t actually read about the things you critique and just run your mouth. If you actually engaged with Gio or Yarvin’s material for 5 minutes you’d have an answer to this question. Since you are so smart how about you answer this question: what would you have us do? Please no magical thinking in your answer.
gigachads are not morbidly obese
What an unexpected crossover, I'd love to see more of dr neema parvini who is friends with gio.
Ngl that would be an epic cross over.
Neema could finally dive into the anime to sissy pipeline lol
This discussion was like finding an oasis of signal in a desert of noise.
Every teenager is larping until they become the thing.
Nice to see Mikey again.
Been a while.
Very enlightening and entertaining.
I enjoyed this, thanks for posting.
Gio has lost weigh, nice to see. Keep it up.
uh really? Guess he mustve been real fat then
8:45 Wave at Kara Dansky everyone! 👋
Dansky is a bit radical. I don’t think she likes men in general
@@brianmeen2158 That's the impression she gives me, too.
Enjoyable discussion.
As a fellow Aussie, the Melbourne Cup was above all other celebrations except Xmas for many years. In 1969, my Catholic nun teachers argued all day about letting us watch the First Moon Landing live, but they wheeled out the TV trolley for the good ol' horsey cup every yea, without us students asking. Of course, we went in sweepstakes organised by the nuns!
Bringing two previous calmversationists together is a great idea. More such crossovers would be great!
this was so good, thanks. thanks for the links too.
Beautiful outro. "Speaking of grifters, where can people find you?"
28:00 i dont think Evergreen was a reaction, but more like a mushroom, the fruitation of what had been long growing underneath
Thanks for the convo. At about the 37 minute mark you discuss the question, "how did it age?" That took me to muse on a letter of support I wrote for Peter when PSU brought him before the ethics tribunal. I re-read the letter last week and what I wrote five years ago, I stand by today. What's different is that I think I am past being defensive and angry and am now curious about how people will wake up, and if they will wake up in time.
I think once we have been offended enough times and see that we have no recourse and it is part of the game, it becomes easier.
I was gonna watch the premiere but I done napped! 😢
you are doing gods work
'On the verge of sunsetting'
“They have a critique of power that doesn’t critique power.”
Yes.
This is it.
Benjamin, this is the second time I've been unsubscribed from you by UA-cam! Just fyi! The last time was a year or two ago; but here we are, they've done it again.
Happens to the best of us!
@@BenjaminABoyce Do they target specific channels to do that to? I find it strange it happened twice.
I'd like to remain a noble "poster," however I'd also like to make money, I'm not exactly thrilled to be entering a trade and/or technical school, amidst the breakdown of the academic credentialing system. Maybe I'll spontaneously develop a Substack career.
It's as bad and nit as bad as you think. Pick something you don't hate and put in time. Work experience will boost your options
Substack would be neat but I think the boat's already sailed. With guys like Gio, the Distributist, Morgoth, kruptos, and so on and so forth I don't really have anything to say. So many people with more time than I and more well read than I have already said everything worth saying.
Y'alls are chill, and giving totally reasonable feedback. However I gotta say, firstly, I was a part-time student for years, and any subject at any school that's worth the money is ABSOLUTELY as bad as you can imagine (dumb plus woke) the safer subjects are pretty much entirely ones also available at technical colleges, medical school and law school are sort of also separate considerations.
Everyone else is getting pushed into DIY world, or stupidtown, and establishing significant work experience without the formal credentials of yesteryear, would be a nice alternate reality. I'll submit my comments in a portfolio to Benjamin Inc. (This is for knowledge work, I mean sure, you can go start working at an office, if you're vaguely competent. I just do part-time service jobs and live cheap for now because paper pushing is not a good use of my time).
Also, lots of other subjects to Substack on, personally I would actually be incorporating areas more like neurophilosophy and neuropolitics, if they still existed, although they pretty much came into existence as subfields, around the same time that academia died (RIP).
@@_BirdOfGoodOmenI was wondering when the space would get flooded with the same talking points.. guys like Gio seem to live online and that’s hard to compete against
@@_BirdOfGoodOmenbut Gio just seems to want to talk about these issues forever and doesn’t have any practical strategies of turning this around…? Same with James Lyndsay - James has been saying the same damn
Thing for years now and is profiting nicely off it yet he has no answers..
Gio's name means "feathers," not to brag, but coincidentally I recently transformed into a rooster wearing a suit, playing a French horn.
(My irl name refers to Northern Italian "levelers," construction workers in olden times, apparently replaced by that green thing nowadays that lets you check to see if your mantelpiece is off-kilter).
My Italian last name ends with a vowel, too!
Ha! I like the PFP. As a french horn player in a previous life, I can confirm that having chicken lips does help when playing horn. Those mouthpieces are tiny!
I forgot Nayna's a global-deep-southerner. 🦘
That's not a map of the Deep South, THIS is a map of the Deep South *draws non-regional, larger world atlas map from sheath*
Are you still working on an Evergreen musical?
Liberal Post Modernist vs Liberal Scientist is a better debate. Put me in, coach.
Pollen is bad in the PNW right now...
Dude… I saw a gust of wind blowing pollen off our pine tree yesterday… it was like the whole tree was vaping.
Ah, that must be why my eyes are itchy, I haven't been able to breath through my nose for several days, and my black truck has turned green.
Karlyn has covered Sophie Lewis quite a bit. M E O'Brian is another one. The stuff they advocate for is wild.
Miro gets 1st chat today, sorry Ms. 💜😿
Big cats don't cry Ninja! They just consume delicious, savory mice, with BBQ sauce 😺
@@Jules-Is-a-Guy ...🐭+🍍on🍕🤤
I was in sleep paralysis!
@@miroirs-jumeaux ... The whole thing about sleep is so darned strange, isn't it? Our bodies go into a sort of coma for up to 8 hours at a time, yet we very often have major brain activity that makes no sense when we come out of that coma and the details typically fade within minutes. Sleeping is officially weird!
Oh well. 😔
🏆🏆🏆🏆
Don't be forlorn Helena, I shallst play a rock-a-doodle-tune on my French horn 🎵🎶
@@Jules-Is-a-Guy Thank you. I'm a fellow Italian, by the way. 🙂
@@helenablavatsky9136 Molto buono, non parlo la lingua e sono in parte anglo, sono un italiano di Olive Garden, pieno di conservanti.
@@helenablavatsky9136 ...phfft... The Kitty is Furrench and has Frimousse du fuzzie 😸
1:44:31 Kek. These people are sick!
So Gio's book isn't out yet?
country
…I'm a little bit rock n' roll…🎵
It's strange to hear Geo trying to dunk on Lindsay when he's so clearly out of his depth. I thought maybe Nayna could save the conversation but I don't know that he's covered the deficit.
In the final analysis it turned out okydoky.
James is not really offering much in the way of solutions - he is just profiting nicely off of saying the same things over and over. I just listened to his most recent podcast with Rogan and he’s not saying anything new
[Apropos of nothing: I just posted this short essay on Stephen Hicks's channel, and thought it would also make sense for Benjamin's channel.]
The porn industry needs to be better regulated, I think that's pretty uncontroversial. However, should the minority subset of women high in sociosexuality, someone like Aella, be legally permitted in a free society to do things like porn? Yes, there's free society on the one hand, and there's functional society on the other hand, we obviously want both.
I'm not exactly knowledgeable enough to compare/contrast how, for example the Netherlands (Amsterdam) handles this kind of problem, more or less effectively than for example the US or UK. But, (for the most part in the Anglosphere,) we allow certain kinds of drugs to be bought and sold, but do not allow "open drug scenes" (except recently, in woke dystopian downtown urban areas). We allow certain kinds of sexual transactions, but do not allow public prostitution, or sex trafficking.
Also, I just heard Jonathan Haidt discuss in relation to regulating (or not regulating) smartphone usage for early adolescents, how children are a different case from adults in various ways. Haidt says, the cases where even Libertarians tend to agree that lines should be drawn legally, for restricting materials and activities available to children, involve sexual content and addiction (developing brains are different, we cannot have responsible, mature citizens, if they are psychobehaviorally damaged during adolescence).
Personally, I'm mostly a consequentialist, pretty much Civil Libertarian, mostly Classical Liberal, and approximately a centrist. And, I think there's one important caveat, related to Haidt's summation: I think things involving sex and sexual content, and also PHYSICAL addiction, should not legally be available to children.
Although neuroscience shows that lots of influences, can "nudge" people of all ages, and therefore that SOME of what the social constructivists say, has SOME validity, these observations do not constitute a justification for restricting all content, or suspending all liberties.
I maintain that the ultimate defense for a free and liberal society, is that the public sphere is its own laboratory, and involves a massive experiment that's being run all the time. This includes the way in which formal education is 'administered,' as one important variable.
The truth is, assuming the ultimate arbiters are human health, and replicable empirical observation, while Nietzsche and the pragmatists respectively, were wrong about which methods work best at the macro-level of society, and the micro-level of formal education, nevertheless their fundamental observations about humans and behavior, are largely being proved correct.
Blank slate is wrong, the existence of "individuals" on the traditional definition is wrong, and Sapolsky and others explain how determinism is essentially being proved correct.
So, why should we not all become Nietzschean pragmatists? In what sense is Classical Liberalism still defensible?
Well another question is: since blank slate was disproven, should we have immediately adopted a "guilty until proven innocent" legal precedent, whereby all defendants are convicted or not, based primarily on immutable characteristics?
The ultimate question to address this predicament is: what is philosophy?
Answers might differ, but if it's essentially: the most adaptive set of heuristics by which people typically engage with the world, and also seek to develop and maintain a functional society, then Classical Liberalism is entirely defensible.
Liberalism's claims cannot be proven literally correct, in a neuroscience research lab, just the opposite.
But, as a set of adaptive heuristics, there's hardly any argument to be made AGAINST Liberalism.
I'm not a philosopher, not sure if I have this part exactly right, but it seems to me that (perhaps strangely,) it's effectively been through the process of proving Liberalism's epistemology to be false, that we've proven its ontology to be all the more accurate, and have thereby ultimately strengthened the paradigm.
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I will never understand doctors for surgery outside of the worst of paid butchers.
This is for all truely selective surgery. Anyone who's gone through training on the human body knows messing around means harm. Medical is allowed because it reduces worse harm. Selective due to insurance is also allowed (non-life threatening, but something like not having teeth is still gunna be a problem).
Just blows my mind how people with knowledge of the human body can even go there and not think "im one of the baddies"
This 100+ times. They must be sociopaths. Elective surgeries should be highly proscribed.
Plastic surgery has muddied the distinction between surgery for health and for looks for decades. Now you introduce a surgery for looks, which is asserted to be necessary for health and "liberation", and here we are.
"The promise of liberalism is that everyone has a say in growing" aka a great way for creditors to grow crookedly and the weak to off themselves
Also "egalitarian world" just is never going to happen. It's silly on all fronts. We're going to have billions of people living equally with equal power regardless of any factors?
Like get real. We want to eliminate poverty and give people strength, but egalitarian is just not real
What’s frightening is that they will try and make it real and destroy you if you try and oppose them.
“Living equally”
Yeah that has never made sense to me. I’ve talked to DEI types and tries to get answers out of them for how they plan to achieve it and they sidestep the issue
Yes, people will sort themselves out into a hierarchy no matter what.