Does Great Art Require Suffering? David Choe on The Rich Roll Podcast
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Rich Roll sits down with artist David Choe to discuss his wild life story and share thoughts on addiction, sobriety, creativity, and the journey to self-love. To read more about David and peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏾bit.ly/richroll626
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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:02:31 - Struggling with Feeling Less Than
00:11:13 - David's Story About Graffiti
00:16:57 - Feeling Enough with Art
00:25:55 - Asking for Permission
00:34:33 - Understanding Trauma from Our Parents
00:35:47 - Voicing Change
00:36:46 - Back to the Podcast
00:39:34 - The Podcasting Workaholic
00:45:54 - The Mistake of Thinking that "Great Pain = Great Art"
00:50:47 - Taking a Year Off
00:54:15 - David's OCD & Stealing
00:59:08 - David's Addiction to Gambling
01:12:34 - Getting Out While You're Ahead & Friendship
01:20:59 - Deciding to Be in Recovery
01:24:13 - What David's Recovery Looks Like
01:30:25 - The Loss of a Friend to Overdose
01:37:08 - Anonymity. Protection from Shame.
01:43:32 - Training Loved Ones to Respect Boundaries
01:55:30 - The Choe Show
02:20:14 - Last Hurdle of Getting Over Being a Workaholic
02:30:47 - Last Words for the One Who Silently Struggles
02:35:57 - Closing Remarks
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Every time Dave does a pod, it's a therapy session for him, and also for me.
Same...somehow helps me learn more about myself
My name is khan and I'm not a terrorist
Well said hes very impactful. Im abit newer to him but woah hes great imo
This is the second podcast that ive seen of his. I loved the one on joe rogan but seeing this one just made me see the reality.
I dont think hes bad per say but defntly makes up alot of stuff for attention. I just read that hes a pathological liar which i kept thinking while watching the podcast as ive known someone who was one. Also hes been diagnosed with sociopathy, i think you should take wt he says with a grain of salt. Im definItely not going to watch anymore of his stuff.
Its by design sheep
"and beneath it all is this child who is deeply sensitive and naturally very empathetic who has trouble processing all the emotional stimuli that the world is throwing at him, compensates for that through all manor of behavior and creating all kinds of chaos. Only to return to this place where he has to heal himself so that he can embrace his natural tendency toward empathy and celebrate his sensitivity" rich roll always with the perfectly articulated wisdom
Beautiful
Sounds like a bunch of commie gobbledygook
@@zymusic9346 I find it odd that you feel it hits you that way, what about that do you think gave you that impression?
My friends name is Tyler Chris Auer. He is that sensitive empath u speak of and he still lives.
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Riches meaning of why he runs reminded me of the qoute from Haruki Murakami" By physically running I can exhaust that portion of my discontent. It also makes me realize again how weak I am. How limited are my abilities are. I become aware physically of these low points.
And one of the results of running that much further ~ I become a little stronger. "
There's a level of radical honesty that Dave brings to the table that is unlike anything else I've ever experienced. He bears the messiness of what it's like to be human so openly. He has lived such a narly life, it's crazy. I'm grateful to him for sharing his story and to Rich for having him on.
He talks a lot. That’s all I can say about him.
Dave ran so we can fly ❤️
@@waynemethsky next time just say nothing
@@b_i_l_l_w_i_l_l_i_a_m_s_o_n i think he's great but he creates problems by believing pseudo-intellectual nonsense. he's extra. like just chill dude. say less
@@waynemethsky I’m sure that he needs you there to tell him what or how much he should or shouldn’t say. Like I said in my original comment, you should say less
Growing up Korean-American with a super religious mom who won't respect boundaries, having unconventional addiction issues, having trouble validating childhood abuse, struggling with intrinsic shame, I thought I was alone in this struggle. Thanks David Choe, for not giving a fuck and being yourself. Not even my therapist can help me recognize and acknowledge my traumas as abuse, but hearing it from someone else who lived such a similar experience is helping me address these wounds more than therapy can.
I love your comment. I emigrated here from SW Africa. Super religious authoritarian parents, childhood trauma, struggled with addiction… same. This was good for my soul. His voice and his authenticity. Just gold. 💛
Same here, but Korean-Australian. You're not alone. That Tigerbelly ep.300 changed something inside of me. Watch that if you haven't already
felt this to the mf core. you’re not alone
Korean-American [check]
Mom who won't respect boundaries [check]
Abusive father [check]
Unconventional addiction issues [maybe-not-so-much]
Hey man, hugs from one Korean-American to another !
im kim chi too and all this shit about his childhood is some typical korean stuff. it goes deeper than his parents. they probably went thru way worse as children.
"All addictions are gambling addictions," I've never thought of it that way but that's so true.
I still remember David in JRE, him crying about Bourdain will forever be in my mind.
Why ? Because he showed a little emotion publicly, ? Or because he expressed something similar to what you felt?
I'm not criticising you, I just wondered why it will always stay with you?... By the way I. really liked Anthony Bourdain, and I've had suicide in my family and my head, many attempts. But I just wondered why that would stay with you?( I've seen it)
I think it was a bit pitiful. They weren’t that close.
@@JulioEuropePharmaVendor you've been sippin too much of that tussipax
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bourdain was reppin choe day 1 as a new upcoming personality and reached out to choe days before he abruptly took his own life. Now, with that in mind, this does not conclusively prove their relationship was intimate... but.. to have someone admit their serious state of deppresion days before they commit suicide can leave a person with serious survivor's guilt. If i would have, if i just... That is a strong visceral emotion to hold repress and/or live with, I'd even argue that a person who did not shed some sort of tear from a situation similar to this suffers from some form of antisocial personality disorder.
@@Lazar819. ok i didn’t know that because i couldn’t find really something about them two together and yeah maybe I was on Oxy. I love Choe. Dumb comment on my side
That’s the same guy!?
I’ve never heard anyone else articulate the way they self sabotaged with the hopes of it causes self destruction by proxy before. I’m grateful af to hear this.
Having DAVID CHOE and GABOR MATE on the same podcast would be EPIC; the honesty of David combined with the knowledge of GABOR!
Wow I'd pay good money to see that
@@roypaz5331 Me too. Some PAY PER VIEW type of thing.
David Choe makes every podcast episode he’s on, the best episode of whatever show he was on.
i agree 1000 percent
reason i really like joe rogan is cause of this kind of person being on his show
@@richiecuna5781 Yea esp where he talks about raping a chick
@@RyKoMediayes and Joe likes horse meat, tom green needs to get on there
I could just listen to Dave talk all day. He is so genuine.
Exactly! I've been watching so many hours of his interviews the last few days. I love his perspective. It's epic!
01:43:32 - Training Loved Ones to Respect Boundaries
Is one of the best sections.
this podcast in my feed is like Christmas
David Choe always reminds me of what a genuine person looks like
I love hearing David Choe talk. Especially when he's abruptly interrupted by an interviewer while he's in the middle of telling his story. Doesn't pull me out of the scene at all.
“Every addiction is a gambling addiction.” Profound. David could also be a writer if he wanted to.
1:08:10
Don't agree with that at all. Way to general. People who drink or take drugs are addicted to booze and narcotics, not the thrill of gambling. Taking resulting risks like driving drunk is not what they are addicted to. The gambler is addicted to the risk of the bet. Very different.
@@DanHunterSportsWriter who….
Asked
@@mrgrandtheftauto8992 who... Asked. cryptic
@@DanHunterSportsWriterhe’s not saying it in a away that means all addicts have a drive for adrenaline and choose to do drugs or alcohol to create a sense of danger, but being an addict means you know what your addicted to has the ability to destroy you but your brain can’t stop. You can’t help to fight the risk vs reward.
thank you david choe
Came for David Choe, stayed and subscribed for a solid, well-spoken host.
also, I've been a PTSD therapist for the last 15 years and this is one of the greatest conversations I've ever heard. I ended up sending it to many of my clients and it them benefited as well. Thank you #DavidChoe. I know you will not see this...but you are truly amazing
im looking for someone to tlak to about my issues
@@chuanjiang8797 there are therapist and doctors everywhere
@@NASkeywestyes and expensive as hell, and they just teach you to rearrange the furniture in your prison cell, instead of healing the trauma, life got better quiting therapy, there's better solutions to whatever ails you
as an indian listening to this especially how he described his relationship with his mom is cathartic to me
I'm pretty excited about this one -- hope you are too. To read more, check the show notes, etc.👉🏽bit.ly/richroll626
This was powerful...
This was out of this world. One of your best episodes... Just WOW.
Hi Rich, did something go wrong at 1:07:46 with the editing or did you choose to cut something out? Loving this episode, its epic..
I wouldn’t have thought you’d have David as a guest - stoked to find this - great work!
Great interview. Please don't take a year off!!
Wow. I am blown away. That is by far one of the most powerful podcasts in a long time. 🙏
Listen to the Rabbi Finley one if you haven't. Dave and Rabbi Finley are an epic 1 2 punch for me.
I can't explain how much love I have in my heart for David choe
I gave David Choe an Uber ride back in the day. Cool people. True story.
Rich, This is my first episode of this podcast and I found it to be beyond real raw and relevant. I cried 4 times not because David was paused by the whelm of his emotions, but by how that whelm allowed him to be more revealing, more open, more vulnerable, which allowed me to see myself in his inner reflection. You both have my respect, my thanks, and I salute you both.
this is the deepest, most important episode you’ve ever had.
David is right. If Rich took six months off, he wouldn't lose one fan. Not one. I've been on a Rich Roll Podcast listening hiatus for a while now, but it's so worth it to return to this conversation today. I'll always be a Rich Roll fan.
I'm an addict, I go on hiatus and then I binge on Rich Roll
The Higher power works through everyone who surrenders to it. I felt his moment, deeply and felt connected to his experience. ( don't know who is cutting onions )
Woah this one is hitting
Choe is a top 5 podcast guest of all time.
You been a goat producer for years
@@avonnabors Fr first I saw him was his appearance on JRE and ever since, he’s been one of my favorites. I enjoy hearing his story and insight.
My father was never vulnerable, he was religious, domineering, always right, always got the last word. I’m glad he died 24 years ago. He fathered me through fear, shame, intimidation, etc. the stuff he put on me hurt me for years! Thank you David for being vulnerable and truthful
I totally understand this. Most people won't I think. I cant WIAt for my fucked up evil mother to die. Evil seems to get extra years tho.
Turned this on for my long run this morning and did not expect such an incredible episode. Didn’t know a thing about David up until this morning and am so happy I pressed play.
Years ago, the first 2 podcasts I listened to seriously were RRP and DVDASA. Couldn’t be more different and wow, now seeing Rich and David together. My mind is blown!
exactly the same for me. could not even believe this happened. so grateful to even hear this
♾
Same, this is on a different level than the Rogan podcast I listened to. This chemistry is something else.
people dont know how amazing DVDASA truly was. there will never be a podcast like it. i miss it and would love to listen to it again
I can feel the emotions in every story David tells it’s heavy
Rich, if you ever take those 6 (of more) months off, just know we'll be here whenever you come back ✌🏻🌿
Self worth is a struggle i have the most then my own style that stands out and qualities in timeless pieces.
I use to listen to Dave to hype me up like that Soundgarden song. Now he makes me tear up and look inward. Thanks for this.
Amazing
Probably because he’s done a lot of psychedelics.
I have been a listener of Rich for over 2 years now, and have been motivated in more ways than once to change my life for the better because of the guests you've had...but David Choe's honesty and Rich's honest perspective on David's life has genuinely changed my outlook on life. I'm not strange...I'm myself and can do better in my own way...
This conversation reminded me so much of the 1976 movie Network. David is speaking of many of the same themes of eliminating the mediator - the tv or media and living life on his terms - So interesting to see the parallels. Great dialogue.
"Creativity is God", Dave Choe has ascended the physical plane as we know it, where which he doesn't need to compromise himself anymore for corporate gain or superficial fame. He craves only realness with himself and with others. I applaud him for the years of work and self-reflection he has put in to get himself to this point.
There's nothing more interesting than an artist in recovery who is willing to be honest.
Great chat!
no, there's a shit ton of things more interesting
@@BusinessWolf1 Like what? Xbox?🙄🤮
I can totally resonate with David's story because growing up Asian, personally, it takes a lot of guts to keep the difficult stuff that we never talked or shared about for fear of shame, guilt, and fear of judgment. Knowing what I know now and healing my inner child helped me positively become the person who can share my own wisdom from alchemizing my own pain.
Creativity is God co-creating through my wild child imagination. Phew! A good watch from start to finish. Thanks Rich and Dave!
May all beings know that we are all love beyond, fear, ego, and old messed up childhood beliefs. We are pure Consciousness who is watching all this time.
May we show up with love now more than ever.
You are a goddam national treasure David Choe, thank you for being David Choe. Incredible work Rich, inarguably one of your finest interviews. So much gold in here, and so different from other Choe interviews
Please don't censor yourself David!
All your stories need every one of your words. You're inspiring and i hope u realize how awesome you are to listen to and learn from.
It’s really interesting seeing someone talk about addiction that isn’t full on drugs
I love Dave asking Rich if theres anything he's struggling with today. Always love listening to Daves openness and vulnerability. We need more of this in the world.
Glad to hear David Choe is married. Heard David now has a baby. Hope this new chapter -of being a parent is blessed.
Wow the idea about how every addiction is a gambling addiction is amazing
I hope David's mom is watching the interview. David is refreshingly honest! Kudos for setting boundaries with your mom, it takes ball.
I have dreadful PTSD and anxiety. This man reminds me to stay strong…
I learn something new about myself every time I hear David speak, he really is an incredible human being.
Mother wound, there’s so much shame around it. As you cannot stand for yourself fully, it’s not appropriate, then instead you start hurting yourself.
Thank you Dave for being so open about this tabu and thank you Rich for creating a safe environment for an experience to be exposed 🙏❤️🙏
❤️💕
I think people who really pay attention to this episode will understand something powerful... We all battle the voices in our heads and sometimes were succumb and sometimes we overcome
This was an unexpected but welcomed conversation. I've followed David for well over a decade and to see his transformation here is wonderful. I am so glad he is in this place where he wants to connect and bare his soul and help other men do the same.
Absolutely loved this podcast where you were talking my language: recovery, shame, boundaries, 12-steps, etc.. It left me feeling so understood! And, Rich . . . You are an amazing interviewer! Your ability to understand and “reflect back” to your guests what they just communicated to you is off the charts! I wish that every woman on the planet had a husband who could talk to them and listen like you do! 🤔
Going against the flow is always difficult until we realize to be in the flow, is where inner peace happens. Oh, beautiful human, David.
I love David's art, and his show ,need more shows. I'm an artist that privately suffers.
Thank you for having David Choe on as your guest. His real and authentic message today resonated with me deeply. Having suffered through a mental breakdown in early 2020 (before the pandemic hit), I've started from ground zero and finally began to evaluate my life at the ripe age of 50-something, and now focus on centering my life with self-love.
My husband says , is this a 10 hr interview? I'm like no. It's just the 4th one I've watched with David Choe in the past few days. I absolutely love listening to him. I have not heard of him before. And boom! I align so much with him. Thank you so much Mr. Choe. For sharing so much of your life. I love your insight and perspective.
Amazing, two of the most inspiring people I've ever listened to are now face-to-face with one another. Although very different in persona, I see so many similarities between Rich and David, especially in their desire to truly connect with people. Thanks both.
I hope you have/can listen to the podcast Dave did with Joe Rogan. I teared up many times in that Pod.
I love David. He’s real and being real is what we need. We don’t need more people trying to be other people.
These are the kinds f conversations that connect us and the kind of conversation I crave! Thank you both!
Amen sister
I just discovered David Cho and I want to be his bro. Lol. I relate to his Authenticity. I was born after Korean war, I seen what people went through to survive as a young child. What trauma my single mom had to go through. How this spill over to me. Healing is possible when there is great empathy toward our flawed parents who did their best.
I’ve found David on joe rogan’s podcast and I’m obsessed! this man is a genius!! The way he speaks honestly inspires me.
“Persons with severe addictions are among contemporary prophets that we ignore to our own demise, for they show us who we truly are.” K. Dunnington ~ Thanks Rich for another great one! ✌️
Yeah, nothing leads the way like a gakked-out crackhead.
I’ve heard David interviewed many times. I learn something new every time. Great job Rich!
This was really enlightening and difficult to listen to at times. Thank you both.
I became addicted to listening to David talk, he is so real, so genuine, so honest and even humble. His presence and voice are captivating. I have caught myself searching for anything where I can hear him speak. I can relate with his experiences on many levels and he has helped me face my own demons. He has mentioned to Steve O that he gets very nerveous doing podcasts, so thank you David for facing your fears and opening your soul to us! You are a very interesting human being and it is a pleasure learning about your life, your struggles and how you've grown. I'm glad you got your riches, you deserve it!
Lol Yoshi's assessment was spot on
Thank you to both of you for your amazing devotion to being raw and honest, humble and committed to truly showing up as you are. Such a wonderful and insightful discussion, and very hopeful for those of us struggling to find that balance. And I can tell you, Rich, that if you took that 6 months off, I for one would be cheering you on, and watching for your return.
I loved seeing them challenging each other, and ACTUALLY considering it! One of the best episodes I’ve watched 💛
It's nice to hear a real two way conversation ey - refreshing
You should see him on joe rogans and on tiger belly
"ill hurt myself just to keep others entertained" that's extremely deep to any "real" artist. the fact that he says he wanted the pain and didnt want to take pills or get help to remain great at his art speaks insane waves and makes me feel weird as I am the same way. wow.
Also Korean American here. I resonated a lot. I too stole petty things, things people wouldn't miss or notice for a while. I don't know, I also felt righteous then. I haven't stole outside teenage years either. I drank and smoked since early. I was angry boi, looking for excuses to blow up. drugs too. I too had gambling phase. I liked the feeling of losing money. Because I was poor money meant a lot, so to lose it felt good because it resonated it how I actually felt but couldn't articulate since I avoided my shadow as much as I could. I wouldn't make that association for years. I also do art, but every time I went to go sell it or someone offered to buy, I was crushed with low self worth and I refused the sales. I tried to become artist but I became art collector. I too have shame that follows me and shows up unannounced. I never been diagnosed because I prefer no windows in my spaceship as it weakens structural integrity of the ship.
I've been making a comeback to the surface but with advent of AI, I wonder if it even matters anymore.
With every podcast, my admiration for Rich grows. A phenomenal conversation. Thank you.
I'm always blown away by the range of interviews on this podcast but this one was in a world of its own. Brilliant, thoughtful, empathetic, and enriching dialogue between the two of you. Can't wait to hear how the challenge at the end unfolds! Thank you!
Roll is a gift.
If u been or going thru real shit in life on your own... U know this conversation means so much to hear...
For those who do not know, DVDASA is podcast gold. In my world DVDASA will forever be best best podcast in the history of podcasts
it changed my life during my late teens/early 20's.
34:06 Wow dude this hit me in my sou... I am so relieved to know that I'm not the only one who self-consciously feels like this 24/7 💔💔💔💯
This was absolutely unbelievably amazing to listen to Rich. Thank you so much for allowing us to see such a vulnerable, raw side of David Choe. Your presence is so calming and you held such a judgement-free zone for David to be in. I'm so grateful for David's brutal honesty and was also shocked at how much I could relate to him at times. I am beyond grateful for this conversation as I'm sure none of that was easy to open up about. Thank you both
Mr. Choe is an open book. You did not have to share, but yet you still share the good and bad. Thank you for everything Mr. Choe.
I have tattoos by David show, AKA invisible hour up here in seattle. He's another prolific artist - and even though he might not be "trending" like this David is, he has still made it an incredible impact in the lives of everybody he knows up here. He has over a million photos of Seattle nightlife taking between 2000 and 2021.
David - I’m so grateful for your voice. I’ve had similar experiences to you (a tenth of it) and you’re so honest about your shame, it really resonates with me. Thanks 🙏
I love David Choe. His transparency feels therapeutic. I love listening to him reflect on his ups & downs throughout his life, and work things out from his head within conversation. Thank you for everything man
“In our society it’s more okay to kill yourself than to ask for help.” Wow. What a line. We need need need people it’s okay to have vulnerablities. It’s the one thing we all have in common is that we are all only human.
So refreshing listening to David choe, such a gentle soul
Such a highly-informative conversation that gives us a raw real-talk lens to gain understanding. Thank you.
Amazingly honest talk, so many emotions going around, loved it. Thank you Dave and Rich for sharing this with us.
daves like the middle brother i never had. wish i had someone like dave in my day to day life. what a great guy, he has changed my life more than anyone i know in person. such an inspiration, i love you dave!
David reminds us that it’s ok being yourself…with all our fuck ups…slip ups….most ugly moments….at the end of the day…it’s growth..
deep. seriously so deep and provocative..I had to take the time to process the nuggets of wisdom from two brilliant guys.
I really think David would benefit from training for a marathon - it scared him enough and would be a healthy challenge.
And some dietary changes
100%
This was one of the best podcast interview I've ever listened to. Been a fan of David Choe for over a decade, and it's nice to see him like this.
I keep coming back to this podcast. One of the best podcasts regarding rawness, authenticity, and understanding yourself.
I think the struggle of being Korean-Hispanic-American for me was the amount of confusion, pull, shame, addiction, abuse, toxicity you grow up in. Not to mention how Koreans and Hispanics were so racist to one another. Then you hit a place of no identity with over identifying. These challenges def. manifested in so many ways but I have to say the day I woke up was the day I got saved. So it's nice to hear other mixed cultural individuals sharing their stories. We are the change that bring about the new future, One heart !
I almost accused you of plagiarizing, but then I see u said "one heart" and I say "1mind.".
I also went through and still facing my identity as a Jew, born in the former Soviet Union (they weren't fond of Jews..surprise) and I did half of growing up there, then the rest of my life here..although when we settled near Coney Island..the entire community was full of Russian Jews..some religious, others secular at diff levels but communism stunted religion n made it illegal so most of our parents were secular/atheists and couldn't fully explain what a jew is, why we're leaving there and going here..the adjustment disorder of parents could very easily amplify the process for their kids..
Rich is the only person that can get away with these super deep conversations. Everyone else comes off as super corny.
He comes off corny tho, maybe its a culture thing
Duncan Trussel is pretty great at it
@@bassmanoper6659 does he?
“I didn’t be a vandal to follow more rules.”
David Cho
I love you David choe keep just being who you are. Truly an incredible mind.
I just discovered David Choe while watching old JRE then I watched wild rides podcast with him and now yours.( Your podcast is great and I subscribed) David’s honesty is inspiring, he’s fearfully fearless in a way I would like to be. I’d like to tell him, he helped me and thank you.
Thank you both for your realness..so amazing to be able to share this interview with my adult sons. You both offer a way forward and a vulnerability that they need to see...they dont have role models like these in their lives that i am aware of...thank you for being that and so much more...just thank you...much love and gratitude...🙏🙏🙏
I've always heard of David but never really listened to him before. Wow... I've never FELT so much before at such a constant rate by just listening to someone. Amazing stories.
That last bit is funny, out challenging each other...so masculine. After all the feelings and honesty....great stuff all round. Love these two men.