Magnus Carlsen On Cheating In Chess (Eng Subs)
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Wolfgang Wee Uncut #169: Magnus Carlsen is a Norwegian chess grandmaster who is the current World Chess Champion, World Rapid Chess Champion, and World Blitz Chess Champion.
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This aged perfectly
goddamn right -- this fully, absolutely without a shadow of a doubt, explains what he thinks about Hans and why he withdrew from the St Louis tournament -- and Hans fumbling post-game interviews are completely damning.
Here's another point no one's made yet. For Hans to have the meteoric rise in rating at such a young age does not just mean he is really good, it means he is a PRODIGY. think good will hunting. 1 in a billion. And then you watch all of hans interviews/analysis and unless you are brainwashed npc cattle you would know immediately without a shred of doubt that he cheated. This is no genius. He's not even good unless he cheats
@@IrregularPineapples Not completely damning. There is still no evidence. How would he cheat?
@@mr.brenman2132 Nobody know how. But Hans would be a lot less suspicious If he could analyze (or even understand) the lines he just played
Even if Hans didn’t cheat, and it was just deep lucky prep and good memorisation. Knowing that he had cheated a lot in the past online might have put Magnus at that psychological disadvantage, that he elaborated on in this old video. Maybe he went into the tournament thinking he could think clearly, and he’d be fine. But when he sat there in front of Hans he couldn’t stop thinking about it, and started reading into it, and felt he had to withdraw.
I think he still should’ve talked by now though. I’m finding it very douche to not having made a statement. Just saying he doesn’t want to play players with a cheat record, because it messes with his psyche I think would be fair enough in many ways.
OMFG....this goat literally predicted the future.
@@pandaman1968 he didn't claim that though
@@pandaman1968 Yeah no, now youre accusing Magnus for accusing Hans which is speculation. Now the burden of proof is on you, not Magnus.
exactly what was his prediction?.. that people cheat in sports? thats a rather trivial statement
The last thing he says about strong players who work too much with computers losing some of their ability/strength because of the dependence is very important to be aware of. I work with a lot of lower rated players who study every game they play with an engine but never analyse without it. I see almost immediate improvement if I get them to break this habit. Analysis without engine first and then go back thru with engine is fine and good for improvement!
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Thanks I'll try this
Wow that’s really insightful, Magnus makes it much clearer how a top tier player could cheat a little to win a lot.
Thank you for the English subtitles! Awesome vid
Thx for watching
@@WWUKlipp Hei. Hva hvis skriver "headline" på engelsk? Tror det ville nådd ut til mange flere. Når det er sagt så er helt utrolig hvordan det har gått "troll i ord"...!!
“The game does not work if you do not trust your opponents”
Welp…..I mean this explains everything. Magnus should have simply gave this exact interview again. Wow.
@@pandaman1968 Hans destroyed that reputation himself when he cheated three years ago and got caught. Magnus has the full right to refuse to play against proven cheaters.
@@pandaman1968 Not wrong. Who knows? Maybe Magnus decided to give him one last chance (you know, like people defending Hans say, people change), but then he saw some extremely irregular moves and decided he could not trust him.
That doesn't change the fact that the root of everything is the fact that Hans decided to cheat in the past. If he didn't cheat, there would most likely be no issue.
@@akuseru85 do
@@pandaman1968 not the brightest kid are ha
@@pandaman1968 he literally couldn't explain his moves in the post match analysis. You can't just stumble upon the perfect moves in chess. There's 10^120 possible moves in the game ffs.
Imagine cheating on a math test and being completely unable to explain the work on your paper to your teacher when you're caught.
“Over the board, I’ve never suspected anyone one, but YOU’D HAVE TO FREE YOURSELF FROM IT”
WOW
Brilliant interview - and may explain recent events at the St Louis tournament
@@pandaman1968 Yeah no, now youre accusing Magnus for accusing Hans which is speculation. Now the burden of proof is on you, not Magnus.
Hearing Magnus talk Norwegian is so cool! 😁
Really interesting comments from Magnus regarding current events. He says it is very hard to catch cheaters during this interview. But he says he knows when they are cheating. I don't know the answer. But loved this video and find it very fascinating. Kudos to the host of the podcast.
Exactly Magnus knows when they are cheating and believes Hans is a prolific cheater - I used to be a strong GM(2640 at my peak) but compared to Magnus I’m a complete beginner and know nothing about chess - in other words Magnus can see things others simply cannot see.
Hans is shaking rn
8:35
"But you would have to free yourself from it. With such a suspicion, you would have a massive psychological disadvantage."
Well, now we likely know the reason for the withdrawl. lol
And the bad play in the ending.
People are calling for Carlsen to say something. He already has.
@@pandaman1968 proof of cheating through an imperceptible medium. good on ya.
@@pandaman1968 Yeah no, now youre accusing Magnus for accusing Hans which is speculation. Now the burden of proof is on you, not Magnus.
WOW, this interview explains everything
@@pandaman1968 I agree. But Magnus must be really sure Hans cheated, otherwise none of this makes sense. Maybe this is his way of protecting chess by disuading cheaters, even without solid proof. (which Is almost impossible to get). He will nevera call Hans a cheater, he will just refuse to play him.
Im not really a chest player but as I understand it there raiting difference is huge right? So I guess it's weird that he suddenly plass like a god against Magnus but sucks against other gms im comparison
I like to hear Magnus speaking Norwegian. He sounds like a totally different person. I really hope he comes out again soon to address the recent drama. I really miss him being out and about, playing and doing interviews.
I wish he would just go away. Before he made the cheating accusation, which is cheating in itself, I was happy to see him.
@@walterbrownstone8017 Yeah no, now youre accusing Magnus for accusing Hans which is speculation. Now the burden of proof is on you, not Magnus.
@@walterbrownstone8017 haha you cannot be this stupid....
Perfect context. Excellent points.
Dette er gull/this is gold
You could literally take this interview and use it to understand why Magnus left and what he feels about hans
No you couldn't. The experts are not critical of Hans' games.
Magnus act was completely disrespectful for the whole chess community.. I am not defending Hans (in fact I dislike his character) but what Magnus did was wrong.
@@hamzaa.8082 I agree that Magnus didn't handle the situation correctly. But honestly we still don't know what he knows, maybe from his view with what he knows about the situation this was his best move
@@apimpnamedslickback5936 then why has he not said anything publicly or defended his decision to quit and tweet shade? He has nothing, let’s face it
@@rowanandhastings That's the thing. He made no statement so everything everyone says or does is a figment of their own imagination.
Wow..extremely similar to what's going on right now with Hans!..interesting stuff 👍✌
My thoughts exactly. I am 100% that magnus knows what he is talking about and Hans will be exposed soon.
@@pandaman1968 don't do it! he's 100% sure!
Deal. If he gets exposed as a cheater you send me $1000 and if he never gets exposed I will give you my house.
Haha love it
You could simply move this interview forward in time and would still be relevant for what just happened recently.
Magnus is simply the best ever
@@pandaman1968 it worries me that people consider magnus to be a horrible human being for this. i worry that people are so quick to excitedly pour hatred over someone for this. i agree that he is not handling it correctly, but it is just too much.
@@pandaman1968 are you able to see how your response is demonstrative of the point that i am making? you have now compared this situation to a literal execution. this type of escalation, again, worries me.
i want to go one step further because i really do have to say, i really think what youre saying is not something that can be accepted. additionally i dont think youre considering whether these escalations are able to actually help anyone, including hans, in this situation.
again, i agree that magnus has handled this situation incorrectly. and i understand how someone can be passionate about that. but i have to say that many people seem to be taking it as an opportunity to simply spread extreme anger and negativity online, rather than seeking a resolution
I love how Hans lovers continue using their own defenses as if Magnus was arguing with them by this 1yo interview.
Incredible foresight! With engines 1000 ELO stronger than the strongest human it really makes things difficult. I mean I could give knight odds to someone 1000 ELO weaker than me and still easily beat him. Even Hikaru lost almost every game when he was given a position with pawn odds against SF.
nice one year pre move magnus !
Nå begynte jeg å lure på om min stadig minkende interesse for å spille sjakk selv, kan ha sammenheng med jobben min som programmerer. Som programmerer er man vant til å utnytte maskinen for å utnytte maskinen bedre - en ganske unik egenskap ved akkurat dette verktøyet som vi kan klare å utnytte til det fulle - og det er vel kanskje derfor vi programmerere liker å skryte av hvor late vi klarer å være. Den lateste vinner - den som klarer å få maskinen til å gjøre mest mulig av arbeidet. Det minner litt om effekten som ble nevnt, der analytikerne ikke klarer å spille sjakk selv lengre.
Funny way of saying how we developers automate everything.
Lol as a Swede this is the first time i hear Magnus speaking Norwegian. You're so used to him speaking English.
Same here. Han blir liksom mänskligare på nått vis
As a Dutchman this is also the first time I hear Magnus speaking Norwegian.
I don't know norwegian, but I'm curious. Does Magnus talk a little slow in norwegian (maybe because he's been talking a lot in english)?
@@mihadono not really.
He's really fruid i norwayisk.
Who's Magnus talking about in the beginning?
Google: Visually Impaired Player Gets Lifetime Ban For Cheating
Stein Tholo Bjørnsen
Visste inte att fusk heter "juks" på norska, underbart:)
Vi bruker ordet 'fusk' også.
Chess drama about cheating.
This gets recommended.
Magnus calculated this line one year in advance and still lost the match smh
Excellent interview. I'm not gonna be surprised either if some top GMs cheat online. Magnus pretty much nailed the problem. At least OTB events are free from cheating (relatively speaking, not 100% of course). And with things like invisible earbuds, etc., getting spread, I don't see any honest future for online tournaments anytime soon. And thanks a lot for subtitles.
OTB events are absolutely NOT free from cheating. In most cases it would be no problem to just go to the bathroom with your phone.
man this comment aged like cheese
You must be pretty inexperienced at life if you think cheating isnt possible, anywhere.
There's plenty of books of how people cheated in the most creative ways in any game or event.
Heck illusionists demonstrate many creative ways to help at cheating. The Army has plenty of info on how to cheat. And so on.
Time you start researching before concluding something you've no experience nor expertise at.
Är 'juks' fusk på norska?
ja
Ja, men vi bruker også 'fusk'.
comical to witness the 2020 Queens Gambit horde speak as if Magnus the World Champ needs to provide them with proof lol
Magnus knows his opponent's skill, and what theyre capable of.
@Superfluous Watch the series... They are so cute...
Comical how you think Magnus is 100% correct just because he’s world champion.
@@SuperYtc1 comical how all magnus haters believe Hans is innocent.
@@peristiloperis7789 Comical how you're twisting what I said.
@@SuperYtc1 Don’t know about Magnus but Hans is a cheater who is exposing himself day by day .
chess fan mwp has matched hans otb games with stockfish and it looks pretty blatant - outperforming the candidates in key encounters. this is a problem for fide. what else are they there for?
Cheating in chess is the end of path to chess mastery
i was watching for 2 minutes without subtitles. I don't know a single word in Norwegian >
10:05 - Jan G. :)
That's really nasty. Jan Gustafsson doesn't play very often anymore, but he does play. He's considering himself as being retired. As a matter of fact, I was pretty surprised by that remark, I thought it was rather dismissive and condescending. Even if that's what you think how can you make such a statement in public about people in your team working for your success? Maybe this reveals a side of Mr. Clean Carlsen that nobody knew until now.
@@higamato3811 not sure nasty is correct - i wold say brutally honest - and just out of observation of chit chat on the streams they, including jan himself, svidler, magnus, hikaru etc. do actually work on a very black and white :) logic without much hard feelings.. unless obviously the comments comes from nubes ... possibly like us.
@@ll-er2gq I cannot say I fully understand your answer, but "brutally honest" and "condescending" are not mutually exclusive. But brutality and politeness are.
@@higamato3811 u need to watch that again... he wasnt saying anything wrong just giving an example from his personal life lol u ppl need to take it ez
Magnus would be unbeatable if he gets help with 1 or 2 moves, thats insane and its very scary. That also means other GMs only needs help with 1 or 2 moves and they can also be unbeatable.
This fully and completely answers why he withdrew from the St Louis tournament -- he 100% believes Hans is cheating -- and he may very well be right.
Like he says, if he was cheating, because of his skill, he would be able to cheat without anyone knowing -- because he knows how to not make it obvious. And he would only need 1-3 small hints during a game to become unbeatable.
And because chess is very unorganised and invite based, the most dangerous cheaters are the good young players who are just below the elite (and thus never reaching the top and getting invites) -- who are still good enough to make their cheating very hard to spot (i.e., Hans).
Dead on. The issue is that Hans is actually quite strong. As Hikaru has said as well, it's just one or two critical junctures that you'd need a hint and yet that's often difference between winning and loosing in classical chess.
whoever is translating this Klingon to human is the cheater in my book.
Well, he has cheated before, multiple times, and can’t be trusted.
🧚🏻♂️🧚🏻♂️🧚🏻♂️
Could anyone provide an English translation?
Are the subtitles not showing up?
Press c for subtitles or click on the subtitle icon on the bottom right
He knew 1 year ago what wud happen..
Here after the Hans sus
This gives an interesting insight to the whole cheating allegations. Hans is innocent until proven guilty, point blank. But I think it's safe to say, as Magnus explains here, that he saw something in the way Hans plays that didn't sit well with him, but it's hard to prove someone's cheating in high level chess when all you need is a signal or two to have a advantage.
And while I do think Magnus could have handled this sitatuation better, I can't quite understand people calling him childish or saying he doesn't know how to lose - I mean, he lost to a 16 year old (Hans is 19) and life went on. It doesn't seem to be about losing or anything other than a suspicion of foul play.
Anyway... let's see how all of this unfolds. Here's hoping all of this is just a huge misunderstanding.
For people who don't who rather read the interview this is basically it (will occasionally be grammatically a bit off since I just picked up the long video this clip was pulled from and formatted their subs).
Magnus [M]: You had that situation with the blind chess player,
who eventually was banned because of cheating.
The first time for two years, then for life when he was caught cheating the second time.
It became a big thing in the media, in the beginning...
about his results. I was like hm!, this was exciting.
But then I watched some of his matches, and saw that oh!...
Wolfgang [W]: What did you see? Could you see it was...
M: You see inhuman decisions and inhuman precision for that level.
You notice that pretty fast. And then it's like...
There were surprisingly many, even chess players,
not among the best though, who defended him a lot.
And there was a lot of local support and many commentary fields.
W: It was a good story.
M: Yes, a good story. People said others were envious
and this is just a witch hunt and so on. And we don't believe in the experts who say this can't be for real.
And this makes me think that how often is it you see such things?
Because you don't want to just believe that those who talk about this know best.
At least in situations where there should be an objective truth.
You want to believe in good stories. But in this case people were completely fooled,
and many people even refused to listen to people who actually know what they are talking about.
And who could see right away that this can't be real.
How often does it it happen that you...
One simply get fed with things that is just nonsense.
W: With inhuman move do you mean that you see a move
and there and then find it inhuman. It just can't be for real.
M: It doesn't give...
It doesn't follow a logic consistent with the other moves this person made,
like a great chess player would have made.
You have got the correct answer, but it's just taken out of the blue.
You can't see the process behind and then you immediately think that
there is something fishy going on. Of course you need more examples to confirm that.
In this case he was invited to take a test supervised by the Norwegian Chess Federation.
and I supported that there should be big leeway, and if they had considered that
his playing strength was about 1600 -1700, while his performance level was at 2-3 or 2-4 level,
I would have said it was unlikely that he had made those moves,
but it is still within what can happen.
you can get... Doubt will benefit you.
What happened with the test was that it was considered that he hardly could play chess at all.
W: What do these people actually think? Because there have been several of those cases.
M: The problem in chess is that those who are revealed are
those who do it obviously and those who do it in a stupid way.
W: They think they have add in some mistakes here and there to...
M: The problem for this guy was that he wasn't good enough to understand what's...
W: What looks most logical or human.
M: If I had... If I had started cheating People wouldn't have noticed
If I had done it in a clever way, I'm convinced that people wouldn't have noticed it.
I had just needed to cheat once or twice during the match.
I wouldn't even needed to get suggested a move. I had just needed to get the info that there is one move that is better than the others.
or just a tip about that here you can win or here you need to be careful so you don't lose.
That's the only things I would have needed to... ...to become almost unbeatable.
And that's a bit scary actually,
because you have especially the online chess. There are plenty of things done to prevent cheating,
but ultimately in the tournaments I play, it won't work if you don't trust your opponent.
You have to basically feel that people don't have enough incentive to cheat.
Because if they are reveled, their career is over. Chess is so poorly organized and mostly based on invitations.
And those who cheat won't get invitations.
W: Don't you think that some just want to feel a taste of meeting the great well-known players and just...
They have probably nothing to loose. That are just averaged chess players who want some time in the limelight and have some fun?
M: Those are the dangerous ones. Those who are good players. They have tried but they haven't reached the top.
They are the ones who have the incentive. But they have been only a few in the tournaments that have been online.
It has mostly been establish top players and young players on their way up
who haven't had these incentives. But if you have...
I would say that it is definitely a challenge in chess
with many who have a strong incentives to cheat.
And if you do it in a smart way, it is very, very difficult to reveal it.
I don't want to spread any rumors
but it wouldn't surprise me at all if many have cheated
even in big tournaments and haven't been revealed.
W: Do you know if you have met many who have cheated and have been revealed?
Either you have revealed them yourself, or they have been revealed later?
M: I have played against random people online and there I can eventually notice if they cheat.
At the board I have never experienced it.
Never anyone who has been revealed. And no one specifically suspected.
You just have to tear away from it, because if you sit there thinking that your opponent may be cheating, you have already a
big psychical disadvantage that makes it difficult o play.
W: I remember from playing chess when I was little
As soon as I used the chess computer to help me with a move or got a support move or whatever it's called.
I no longer had any plan to move on. I was dependent on getting more advice.
I had no plan or anything. In the minute I used the help function I became helpless.
I played like an idiot. You become addicted...You don't get any style of playing after cheating.
M: You can say that.
And it is also like that for those who have helped me, especially the elder ones in my team.
They can't play chess anymore, because they are so used to work with analyze and computers.
They are good with ideas and getting help from the computers for that
But to play themselves they end up with: "I need help!".
They are used to come up with an idea and then they are guided further on by the computers.
It's a bit of a parallel to...
we get so addicted to social media and computers also on other areas,
so we stop thinking ourselves there too.
8:54 perhaps the reason why Magnus resigned?
from anish giri tweet
Here is a better translation. Maybe there are some nuances that are lost in that translation...
If I started to cheat, I would ... people would not have ... If I had done it in a smart way (then) I am pretty convinced that people would not have noticed. I would only have needed, one to two times during the game. I wouldn't even need to get the moves. I would only have to say that [sic] ... needed to be given that here there is one move that is much better than the others. Or, something like here you have a possibility to win, or here you have to be careful so you don't lose. That is the only (thing) I would have needed to...ehm...to be nearly unbeatable. And that is...that is a bit frightening.
(Punctuation is hard because it's an interview, but this is what he says)
Framsynt
All a smart cheater would need if already bit strong is the evaluation of the computer... I beleive its the way used by top players if they cheat as its the smartest
Couldn’t AI be calibrated to spot cheaters by analyzing all their previous games?
Because there will not be a pattern. Machine Learning algorithms today are tuned to look for repeatable patterns
"He's losing to such an idiot like me, you know. It must be embarrassing for the world champion to lose to me. I feel bad for him."
- Hans Niemann
Even if Hans did not cheat against him, I suspect this bit of impudence is what it comes down to. Win graciously and don't poke the bear.
@@denisdooley1540 - exactly, winning should be enough.
"I will now proceed to analyze the game and I don't need to explain anything as the correct moves are obvious and the chess speak to me".
6 minutes 20 sec. *online chess doesn't work if you don't trust your opponent. Magnus will not play Hans for some time methinks.....
Hello Magnus - how often do you see such a thing - every single time a prominent personality, titled player or streamer, gets banned! Their supporters are just endlessly gullible and rogue! I know two german cheaters on twitch and so far their streams are nowhere compromised and they successfully appear as clean, despite it's not just me knowing the truth. And I get lots of infamy when advocating for Lichess and telling the truth!
Ignore the mindless supporters. Use common sense. And the truth will always come to light. God willing.
Do avoid suspicion when you can avoid it. But don't be blind either.
Who is here after Magnus left the Sinquefield Cup following a loss to Hans Niemann with white?
Ble rakt relevant denne episoden ja
the english subs sucks, example: he does not say he would need to know which move is way better, just that it is A move that is much better then the rest
sounds like mix of arabic and german
I guess performance enhancing drugs are endemic in all sports right up to the highest level so it would be hopelessly naive to think cheating doesn’t exist in chess and for anybody who’s seen icarus where Russia had a state sponsored doping program run by the head of the anti doping control is it a stretch to think something similar might have happened with the Russian chess players ? Maybe of a previous generation
Well. It can happen with anyone. Not just Russians. Russian generally get a bad rep. because of political reasons.
@@1994mrmysteryman yeah that’s true I’m not thinking of the players I like all the Russian players just wondered if there was pressure on them to cheat for political reasons
Why does Magnus sound like he just had a stroke?
speech 1 - chess 99
Soo....magnus knew this would happen to him,
And he still decided to do it anyways,
Because it's what he thought was best for him and for his game?
Makes sense.
Not for his game but for. ........... Chess
Aged like milk
Magnus cheated against Alireza in 2019 world blitz, Danya in 2021 lichess and Nepo in 2021 WCC. Lol.
Still can't tell if those conclussions are coming from a delusion or it's actual happening. With my psychology background on psychosis etc. This kind of reasoning is somewhat familiar that generally paranoid-delussional persons use to explain the use.
Otherway because it's a topic chess that only the top is most closselly to understand, thats why I only can make a assumption.
Even though around 180+ iq like minds are so difficult to understand how they possible sense the world because it's so rare! Even though statistically those people are way more often to have psychological disorders like being paranoid.
And the fact hes it's already in it's mind for so long way back also fits the delusional scenario.
Speaking of psychosis, what do you make of that, good sir? ua-cam.com/video/VfLNNyz7sPw/v-deo.html
Having read psychology books and still spell delusion wrong is also sus . Is this Hans ?
@@mbagamingwala4581 probably just a typo mistake df.
How is he being delusional? Talking about factual cases of cheating? And how him and other chess masters can see cheating patterns in games? Hans Niemann has cheated multiple times and suspecting cheating is far from delusional. We still don't even know his reasoning
@@kris10an64 it is not delusional it could be and their is a possible that confidently seeing patterns in things/chess is a result from a delusion.
This is such bullshit.
Even a lower rated player using computer assistance preparation can make engine like moves and sometimes they make a move out of their own thinking or game stress or they just don't know what move to make and the move just so happens to be an engine chess move. Dumb luck. At the end of the day you need proof not speculation or suspicious moves or simply your opinionated paranoia.
"Speculation" There is no speculation. Hans has cheated in the past, more than 2 times as we currently now. Once you lose the trust, as Magnus said, yoi cant play chess with that person
"Paranoia" Maybe a little, but can you blame him or any other top 10 player for that matter? Chess has been their life since their early adolescence. And there comes a guy with a known history of cheating just climbing up the world rankings like it is nothing. Wouldn't you feel cheated?
I am not even going to address your earlier points about lower rated players being able to play a computer move because of theory and by pure luck. I would guess you have not been playing chess for very long. Cheers
@@odysseas573 They are probably about 400 elo.
you don't seem to understand a lot about chess, this is not about the odd lucky punch move, it's about patterns.
What does this have to do with the current situation where he's accusing someone of OTB cheating? His game against HN had a few inaccuracies from both players and his own play was certainly middling at best by his standards. When you don;t play your best it is possible to lose even though your ego won't accept it.
Yeah next match with Alireza with qb3 on the board was also some kind of in accuracy .
Its an interview from last year it has nothing to do with current situation..it's called UA-cam algorithm
Do you realize that this video is one year older than the current situation? Why would you expect to be related to it?
Said so, Magnus never said Hans cheated against him, and I do not understand why the debate is about finding evidence that Hans cheated against Magnus. As Magnus said, Chess is based on trust. If you start to consider that your opponent might be cheating, it is not chess anymore.
It is embarrassing that Hans was invited to a tournament since he cheated at least twice, promised that he would never cheat again, and then cheat some more all the way to few days before the tournament. It is not possible to trust him, and when he plays a perfect match and later is not able at all to explain his moves it is not possible not to doubt a well known convicted cheater.
He did that to himself by cheating dozens of times.
that's the whole point of the interview. Magnus is saying that most people get caught because they cheat stupidly. But if a top-level player cheated smart, they'd be practically uncatchable and unbeatable.
@@bobon123 "and then cheat some more all the way to few days before the tournament"
Do you have any evidence?
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"Well, one just doesn't want to believe what the experts are saying." So when you make an accusation and all of the experts are saying "Actually no, there was no cheating in these games," just how foolish is it not to withdraw the accusation?
Name a single security expert that has claimed that Hans cheating was/is impossible. What a load of bullock.
@@user-ll4cu5dh3b We are talking about chess experts here. When Magnus says that experts agreed the guy in question was cheating, it comes from their analysis of the moves in his games. Similarly, Hans' games in the SLCC Sinquefield Cup have been analysed by a number of experts and all have agreed that there was no cheating involved.
@@zelandakhniteblade5436 Oh? So the chess experts who have stated their suspicions in one way or another aren't experts? Further, please name a SINGLE expert who said Hans was definitely not cheating. I'll wait.
@@user-ll4cu5dh3b Proving a negative is not possible - I would not say that Hans is definitely not cheating; nor would I say that Magnus has definitely not cheated. Now name me a single expert who has said that Hans definitely is cheating. In fact, name me a single expert who has said they have suspicions of cheating based on an analysis of the Sinquefield Cup games. Hikaru went out of his way to say that the games themselves are not suspicious, even while milking the drama for subs by blowing up other things that have little to no bearing on the actual allegation. Several others have done real analysis on the games and concluded that there was no cheating. I have seen no analysis from anyone, whether player, mathematician or just internet troll, that suggests there is anything suspicious about the games. You are making the allegation - present your evidence.
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Well, no, it's not a negative claim because you made a positive claim in your first statement; I'm asking for proof. Name a single expert who had said: "Actually there was no cheating in this game." You are, quite literally, arguing that all the experts are CONFIDENT that Hans didn't cheat.
Of course no one thinks the games themselves are suspicious... Only a naïve dunce would use the best engine moves at every single moment since all an expert would need to do to successfully cheat is use the engine in a critical spot and it would be almost impossible to spot. What was concerning was how Niemann couldn't explain why he made his critical moves in either his Magnus and Alireza games, and for his Alireza game, couldn't even identify why his piece sacrifice was a threat. That's where the suspicions started piling, especially with Magnus' withdrawal.
Hikaru, Daniel Naroditsky, and Eric Hansen, arguably 3 of the largest streamers in the chess community have OPENLY stated that Hans' post-game analysis was suspicious. In other words, the games themselves weren't suspicious, but the fact that Hans couldn't justify his moves was suspicious.
Some of the greatest games of excellent precision chess played by some of the greatest players ever must have been cheating since they were so precise, inhuman one might say. How is it inhuman? all legal moves in a chess are possible to be played by a human or a computer engine.
Bobby fischer played games that were a model for precision as quoted by the late great grandmaster Larry Evans. Bobby fischer didn't live in the time of computer assistance preparation for chess. If Hans cheated then prove it.
Otherwise you have no case just false and hallow accusations.
Bobby Fischer had an idea behind his every move that he played unlike Mr. Hans Niemenn who brings a move out of nowhere and then backs it up by saying it’s obvious to play that move . But didn’t have any idea behind that move. And whatever his analysis were in the Alireza’s game were absolutely trash and 2-3 move blunders. Don’t ever try to compare bobby fischer with this cheater . You fool . Wait and watch and you yourself will accept that he was cheating. But it takes time for a weak brain to process this much info at once. It will take time and you’ll realise that
Did you understand what Magnus said?
Way to completely miss the point, go you.
In highly highly prepped lines, it's possible for humans to achieve near perfect accuracy, because it's closer to a memory puzzle you need to fill out than coming up with the next line of moves, but once you are pulled out of theory and your prep, you have to rely much more on your own thinking, and no human can achieve engine level of accuracy there.
Humans having played games with very high level of accuracy does not mean every others who does so is not a cheater, that's a false equivalence.
You also have to understand that the players are that level have such a deep grasp of the game they can intuitively feel when something isn't right. Someone who plateau'd at 2450 for 2 years and suddenly gained 150 points in less than a year out of the blue is very very out of the norm, especially at the end of their teenager years and even more so at that level, because the higher you go the harder it is to make any significant progress. It's not the progression itself that's strange, it's the context around it. The whole story about going hermit mode to study chess is also very dubious sounding.
Don't act like there is nothing to base that type of thinking on, while it isn't impossible for any of this to happen individually, all combined? Starts to paint a certain picture.
@@wcanard2894 100% true.
When I read these comments I immediately know that the person writing has played Chess a couple of times online after watching Queen's gambit. How can you misunderstand so obviously the point of Magnus? Amazing.
I'll watch Magnus when he decides to speak a civilized language...American English.
Like the English language has been spoken by civilized people the last 70 years.. LOL!
First world champ in the world we can all legitimately call a coward.
Speak for yourself.
Magnus soils himself with these accusations. He can't admit he was beaten by a player a couple of hundred points below him. And why he can't bear it is because he wants to be the only one in the world with a 2900 rating. That loss was a crushing blow.
And look at his reasoning. A good cheater can't be detected, so Niemann must have cheated. Now Magnus just keeps digging his hole deeper. The truth is none of today's players could have beaten Fischer back in the day. Today, they rely on engines. And the person who can remember the engine moves the best has a better chance to win, in certain situations. I think that's what happened here. And there are plenty of other examples of a top player getting beyond the engine's moves and being unable to win in the middle or end game.
You do realize this interview was last year?
calm your horses, this interview is over a year old
Stupid lol. Hans admitted being a cheater
This is from a year ago...
lol thx UA-cam it said no comments 🤣
Magnus the Child. So sad to see him fall like this because he can't handle a younger rising star that is actually good for real, not like the others present in the top.
He acts like a child and should be severely punished or put evidence of cheating on the table. Respect is lost already. What a sad man.
He has lost to many younger players.. never has he had this reaction.
this video is from over a year ago
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