DUNE PART 1 (2021) | FIRST TIME WATCHING | Reaction & Commentary
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- This week we're watching DUNE PART 1 !! I was super mesmerized by this entire production, the scope, the story the costumes! Comment below where you were when you first caught Dune and then please please please don't spoil Part 2 for me!!
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Time Codes:
00:00 - Intro
02:56 - Start Watching
43:47 - Thoughts and TRIVIA!!
_"I can't believe the Emperor could just say something and people do it."_
Yeah that's kind of what being the Emperor is all about. 😆
🤣🤣🤣
Some people find it strange that in the far future, people have dukes, barons, and emperors. Frank Herbert believed that humans have a natural tendency to accept feudalism, and I think this may be true. America has its dynastic families: the Kennedys, the families of Clinton and Bush. People actually do like having the same family in charge over time.
People tend for forget that the general populace voting is a fairly modern concept.
@@RolandDeschain1 and even the voting public likes to choose people from the same families. The current leaders of Canada and the Philippines are the sons of previous leaders, elected into their position by the people.
You do what the Emperor tells you to do, or you suffer the fate of Liet.
You should go to the theater for Part 2. it's an incredible theater experience.
Kudos to the reactors who wait to watch it on their channels, but Dune 2 is a historic event to miss in the theaters.
I’ve seen it 3 times so far, twice in IMAX, and you’re missing out bigly if you don’t see it IMAX as soon as possible
@@Timmayytoo the 70mm IMAX has the good seats sold out for three weeks in NYC
I feel like she needs to use Patreon money and buy out all the seats for a show and record her reaction in the theater. Okay, probably a dumb idea 😆but I'd hate for her to miss it on the big screen.
@@amygeorgopoulos1400 Im with it
Miss Shanelle, "concubine" was NOT an insult. It is a FACT which the movie makes clear. Jessica is LITERALLY Leto's bound concubine (a legally recognized status with certain rights and privileges similar to those enjoyed by a spouse), assigned to him by the Bene Gesserit in order to breed a daughter to marry a Harkonnen son as part of their extremely long-range plans to bring peace to warring Houses and eventually produce a sort of super being. She violated her orders for love because her Duke wanted a son. The 1984 version (especially the famed Spicediver fan edit) explains all of this better than the contemporary version. Regardless, she was the mother of the ducal heir of House Atreides, which makes her a very big deal in and of itself.
Leto didn’t marry Jessica because of the hope of a political marriage - perhaps even into the Imperial family.
@@clayjohanson True, which is echoed by you-know-who when he you-know-whats you-know-who-one but has his you-know-whats with you-know-who-two. This comment is Intentionally vaguer than fog to avoid spoilers for Miss Shanelle.
Clearly you are fluent in English, so what part of "no spoilers" did you fail to comprehend? Being vague (not really though) has nothing to do with it being a spoiler.
@@TheDuckofDoom. Wow. Just...wow. Are you seriously asserting that ANYONE who has NOT read the novels can discern their content from my exceptionally vague comment? That would be - not to put too fine a point on it - miraculous!
@@colormedubious4747 I haven't read them and it was obvious to me.
Maybe you need to hang out with more people that aren't completely oblivious and barely literate.
And again a vague spoiler is still a spoiler.
"Luke and Leia are relatives of Darth Vader." is no better than saying "Luke's father is Darth Vader." when it comes to plot progression.
"This is gonna be another hero's journey...!"
Yeah, about that... 😬
Right, I just came to say the same… 😮
Definitely just another hero's journey... 😬
Again, it is the legend.
@7render 😂you know nothing
Frank subverts it so wonderfully.
"Year 10191" -- But that's "After Guild"... which had its year 0 at about 11,000 AD, so it's actually set about 19,000 years in the future.
21k
@@ravissary79 Less the 2024 we already have, so... 19k :P
After Geidi Prime when humanity set itself free from tyrannical Ai
@@MagsonDare lol, fair point. I misread you.
The year is 26,391 AD.
George Lucas was influenced by Frank Herbert who wrote Dune decades before Star Wars.
Dune was published in 1965 and the original Star Wars came out in 1977 but was written quite a while before that I believe the first draft was in 72 and obviously revised and it was too massive to do, Lucas was influenced by a number of sources Herbert only being a small one mainly with the Tattooine being inspired by Arrakis. Translating Dune to film limits its scope making it seem more similar to Star Wars than it actually is. Herbert himself was majorly inspired by Lawrence of Arabia when writing Dune.
What? Mainly tatooine? The force? Obi wan death? Jedis and lightsabers? Flowing visions? Dune is one MAJOR influence on SW
@@pseudohacker I suggest you reread the Dune novels if you think there is anything like the force in them unless you're strictly focused on "the voice", The Jedi are based more on Samurai than anything else and lightsabers aka a laser sword pre dates Dune in old scifi comics, a mentor dying like Obi Wan has been in a ton of things well before Dune, also noticed you didn't comment on how much Herbert lifted from Lawrence of Arabia for Dune. Lucas lifted more from the Barsoom series of books by Edgar Rice Burroughs than anything from Dune. Both Star Wars and Dune follow the classic heroes Journey, so do a lot of stories including King Arthur and further back to the Illiad, though Dune is about a lot more than that and it's over all theme is a cautionary tale about blind hero worship and messiah figures in general being bad for mankind.
@@busimagen provide a source to this claim cause I can find nothing that states this! when he was trying to get Star Wars no one in Hollywood gave a damn about Science Fiction and wouldn't have known what Dune was if you made them read it at gun point. Star Wars got made cause Alan Ladd trusted Lucas after American Graffiti was a big hit, no one thought Star Wars would be a hit not even Lucas himself! he originally wanted to make a movie of Flash Gordon and couldn't acquire the rights to do so which is what lead him to write Star wars which was largely inspired by the old Flash Gordon Serials, pulp Sci-Fi stories like Edgar Rice Burroughs Barsoom series as well as old westerns and samurai films.
And lets not forget how much 40k was "inspired" by Dune. Literally almost all the base concepts of the universe, they just added a gothic flair to it.
One thing to remember is that Frank Herbert wanted to convey the message that charismatic leaders can be hazardous to your health.
While copying every single thing from Lawrence of Arabia that he could 😉
@@Ulexcooloh yeah the best parts are when Laurence gets high on cocaine and has visions of the future and when the giant sand worms go in a killing frenzy with they chase horses
And the second thing is that crazy drugs can fuel crazy nonsensical stories involving drugs that can extend life and allow you to see into the future and the past.
Lest we not forget that Paul Muadib's son turns into a worm-human hybrid...the whole story is bonkers.
TIL desert = lawrence of arabia ripoff @@Ulexcool
Although....Leto was charismatic, but also used stoicism and patience in his rule. He was the best ruler in the whole Dune universe
I’m actually bummed for you that you can’t see part 2 in the theater. It was an overwhelming masterpiece.
Maybe take a note from Cassie and Carly (Popcorn in Bed) and rent out a theater. You can’t miss this theatrical event, Shanelle!
Why can’t she see it in a theater? Is it because she wants to watch it on the channel?
@@NoChance345 yep. At least the channel first then the theater later. She always wants to have the channel reaction as the first, which is great.
Frank Herbert once said he deserved credit in Star Wars films as source material.
George Lucas has mentioned Dune in interviews about Star Wars so……. Yea…
He really should have gotten a credit.
I’ve heard George Lucas actually gave Herbert a settlement
@@technofilejr3401he didn't because a movie only having a passive resemblance to another movie doesn't institute plagiarism
@@houseofactionTechnically Star Wars has a narcotic/commodity called “spice.”
When Star Wars first came out, George Lucas said "Star Wars is for the little kid in all of us". Which explains why Denis Villeneuve said this is Star Wars for Adults. IMO, there's a lot more in Dune's story than in Star Wars.
To say the least! Star Wars was fun, but so much more simplistic than Dune in plot and characterization and world building.
Dune (the novel) is one of the foundational works for modern science fiction in the same way that Tolkien is for fantasy. Many modern science fiction tropes can be traced back to these stories. What you just watched was the first half of the first book in the six-book series.
My introduction was through the David Lynch movie which I caught at a drive-in when I was still in high school. I didn't even know what was playing that night just looking to kill a Friday evening with some friends. This led me to read all six of the books and own both the Lynch version and the two miniseries produced for television as well as this latest iteration. The first mini-series "Frank Herbert's Dune" is the most faithful adaptation but the production values, use of spotlighting, sets etc. make it seem almost more like a play than a TV production (the second miniseries continued the story and adapted books 2 and 3 in the series).
Exactly
Yes and no. Can’t forget Verne and Heinlein, otherwise agree. The main 3 pillars of Sci-Fi, those three, followed by many other greats for those who have kept up in that area. Sadly the greats were decades and decades later than the originals. As it is now, if you love modern, or more modern types of sci-fi, then Baen is and has been the go too for decades now for amazing sci-fi, including all the modern greats like Ringo and Weber, Drake, to name a few. I own most of Vernes and Heinlens books, including their earliest, and usually their least popular, I found them early on, with those books, as many did, decades before I was born. Along with Dune, Frank is more an intermediate great writer in the genre, after the originals, before the more modern/modern ones for those who don’t know. He was before SW and ST. And inspired SW
one of the (many) things in the books that is explained in more detail is the relationship between Duke Leto and Jessica.. it conveys how deep their love really is for each other. she was "assigned" to him by the bene gesserit order as a concubine and he was advised not to marry her for political reasons but he always regretted not marrying her because they had fallen deeply in love with each other. Her giving him a son instead of a daughter was an act of love on her part but she still decided to train Paul in the bene gesserit way against orders. she knew (iirc) the Duke was signing his death warrant by accepting charge over Arrakis, and the duke did too at a certain point. that's why he confronted her about "protecting our son." but anyway the love story between them in the book is a lot more fleshed out and I actually found to to be really romantic and tragic
paul: "if we know it's a trap, then why are we going?!"
thufir: "remember, knowing where the trap is-that's the first step in evading it."
"Spice...the final frontier."
Oh yes for sure the final!! Lol
Dr Yueh fully expected both himself and his wife to die. His real goal was to ensure his wife was actually dead as the Harkonen could have been keeping her alive indefinitely as they "took her apart like a doll". Technology being what is in the Dune universe, they could have inflicted unending agony on her without her dying from it. That possibility is what truly pushed him to betray Leto.
"this seems to be a natives-know-best story like Avatar"
Is it?
isn't Dr Yueh's wife the spider looking "pet" thing? had human hands.
@@Gatopanzon_1976 No. The Harkonen's made Dr. Yueh watch as they tore his wife apart over and over again but not killing her, until they were able to break through Yueh's "imperial conditioning" from the Suk Medical School where he was trained. Imperial conditioning is the highest mental conditioning against taking a human life, which means that a Suk Doctor who had this conditioning could even serve as a doctor to the Emperor, they are that trustworthy as far as, do no harm.
Look to the desert for wisdom, the city for polish
I saw a speculative comment the other day, that they actually didn't beat the conditioning. He "betrays" Leto, because everyone except Paul and about 3 really dense readers knew Leto (and House Atreides generally) was doomed anyway. What he really did, was save Jessica and Paul. I'm still mulling it over.
Also turning gave him an opportunity to attempt vengeance. Which he wouldn't have risked if he'd believed he had a chance.
I read Dune for the first time while camping out in the Judean desert in a wadi about 400km from where the film was currently being shot in 2019. A damn near religious experience
That had to be amazing!
You're about the closest thing to a Fremen we're gonna get for about 18000 years.
Tell me of your homeworld, Usul.
"Is that like a Jedi mind trick?"
Where do you think Lucas got it from?
Well i guess Lucas got it from Star Trek and the Vulcan mind meld 😅
Mind tricks are a staple of old space Opera. The mind trick was not created by Frank Herbert and in fact most of what's in dune was stolen from sabres of paradise
@@paulanerruhrpott6188 he got inspiration from Dune and Trek. He’s stated so many times
I seriously think the sarlacc pit came from the worms mouth.
I believe Timmy was trying to stay super still when the hunter/seeker was in his room. He didn't even blink, so the little machine was unsure if anyone was there...maybe?
Yes
Yes. In the book it's explained Hunter Seekers are motion sensitive. That's why it went for the opening door.
Paul had been trained that the best way to avoid being killed by a hunter seeker is to control your fear and remain absolutely still.
@@MongooseTales "Fear is the mind-killer." And sometimes the body-killer too.
He was also replicating the desert mouse hiding in the shrubs
Regarding the bull: its very symbolic. It literally represents a dilemma. Dilemma is Greek for "Two horns". If you avoid one horn the other will get you. Both Leto and Paul have to make choices where trying to avoid one thing the have to choose the other.
Also Bull fighting was a thing on Caladan. Paul’s grandpa was murdered with a drugged bull
Also also, the Atreides family traces back to Greece. Very fitting.
Also the bull killed the grandfather, the father was killed in his own game with his own "bull", and Paul is playing his own game... Will his bull get him in the end?
I feel like the bullfighting metaphor also relates to what the Duke was talking about with the danger of going to Arrakis. Going into the ring means stepping into danger, but if things work out, you also get the bigger prize. You can't win if you don't take chances.
You're sort of correct; Δίλημμα in Greek is derived from δί-(δις) meaning two, double ("bis" in Latin), and λῆμμα ("lucrum" in latin), which is used to describe anything one receives like; income, earnings, profit, etc. Λῆμμα itself derives from "λαμβάνω", literally "I receive".
The likening to the horns of a bull is not a Greek notion and is a term coined only in English. The symbology of the bull in Dune, and the fact that the "Old Duke" (Leto I's father) died while bullfighting is used as a means to show that even those of noble birth can die to the simplest of creatures. IIRC, in the book, Leto has the bull's horns, still stained with the Old Duke's blood, sealed and preserved, as a reminder to his father's fate and a reminder to stay humble.
Source on the Greek words: I'm Greek.
Nominated for 10 Oscars including Best Picture but won for
Best Visual Effects
Best Sound (Editing and Mixing)
Best Original Score
Bes Production Design
Best Cinematography
Best Film Editing
If Dune Part 2 doesn’t win best picture then I’m gonna declare a jihad on the academy lol
It's always funny how people ride the academy accolades if they bestow them to movies they like but rest of the time ignore any legitimacy the oscars may have.
This movie made me go get the whole dune series (Franks books only) binge read them all. Absolutely fantastic series!
God Emperor best book in the series
Things a _Dune_ reader notices: the little rodent will have its name used by Paul.
Maud'dib!
Certifiable Dune super nerd here.
At 14:02: the Bene Gersserit can control their bodies down to the molecular level. So yes. They can choose the sex of their offspring.
And as to the question of wether the Atredies are the good guys or not, it's super complicated. Frank Herbert wanted it that way.
At 50:06: remember how limited the resource of water is on Arrakis. When you purposely give moisture to someone else, it's a sign of the highest respect
Compared to many of the other Lansraad houses, the Atreides are saints. But to your point they really aren’t the good guys or bad guys. But because Paul is our protagonist we root for them.
@@technofilejr3401 until we don't.
I don't know if you caught it, but the Fremen that Paul had visions of who mentored him and would teach him was Jamis (the man he fought and killed at the end). It's a clue that Paul's visions are not absolute, and he can make errors that will lead to terrible outcomes. It's hard to convey in film, but Paul is basically a hypercomputer making calculations, and when he gets bad data or misinterprets the data, he makes bad calculations. This is rare...but it can be disastrous.
Yeah it’s not really mentioned in the movie, but Paul has been trained both in the Bene Gesserit skills AND as a Mentat (human calculator).
It's actually a bit more complicated than that. Paul sees visions of multiple potential futures. That's why some come true and some don't. The decisions he makes can affect which come true.
There is also the symbolic level of the vision. Paul Artreidies has to die so that Mua'dib may rise. Killing another human being is an experience that fundamentally changes a person, so in a symbolic sense, Paul killing Jamis is ALSO Jamis killing Paul.
Paul sees possible futures. That is the problem with prescience, his foresight only extends as far as his next choice. Once you see the future, you change the future.
Frank Herbert, Dune’s author, said that if there is just the future, then it’s just something fixed towards which we move. Our fate is sealed. But if we have a future, that means we have possibilities.
You should really consider seeing part 2 at the theater. I just saw it yesterday, and it was amazing.
I second this
And I third
It's either that or react to it here. What will she choose, I wonder...
*Consider this:* if you _could_ go see the original Star Wars trilogy at an IMAX theater for the first time, wouldn't you?
Don't skip that opportunity for Part 2. In fact, you'll probably want to catch this one *again* while you're there.
"this movie lays a ton of pipe" lol
I am dying 🤣
LOL - where I'm from that phrase has a different meaning...
Shan was enjoying the _deep_ lore.
In screenwriting, putting exposition in your story is called “laying pipe”
@@davidolden971
_laying pipe_ or _laying groundwork_ is used figuratively in many professions.
"Laying pipe" also has another _long_ and _hard_ connotation.
I wont spoil anything but Im sad that you wont go see part 2 in theaters. Ive gone twice and also saw part 1 in theaters. Its an experience. It shook me. It moved me. Its one of the greatest things Ive ever watched in a theater.
Paul's final test in 2 took my breath away. It was so incredibly shot and so visceral I was almost in tears it was so amazing.
We can fix that if a large number of her fans put the pressure on and forgive her for seeing Dune 2 in IMax. If any movie needs an exception Dune 2 is it. Please convince others and do posts on each new review she does until she relents.
The one thing they really missed in this movie was the theme of love and human willfulness defeating the great powers. The movie makes it seem that Jessica was trying to make the "one" by having Paul. She actually just wanted to give her Duke a son because she loved him, thus setting the universe along a many thousands of years path.
I love the opening. "Who will our next opressors be?..." Cut to Paul. Say hello to your new oppressor.
No one does sci-fi or visuals like Denis Villenueve. I saw both of these in the theater. Incredible. No bucket though.
I assume the baron's "bath" was liquid spice. We were told it had medicinal properties and prolonged life, it has the right colour, and he certainly had access to more than enough of it.
I hadn't thought of that. I was thinking the black stuff was some sort of charcoal liquid that absorbed the poison and the goldfish colored stuff was the poison. But maybe you're interpretation makes more sense.
Activated charcoal is black (what they give you if you swallow poison). It absorbs the poison if caught in time in your stomach…. It’s quite gross…
19:02 - "He did, he Miyagied it." Oh shan, you're killing me! 😂
I put together my top ten favourite movies from 2010 to 2020 and Denis directed four of them.
The dude is an absolute master.
11:42 Timothee's Mandarin pronunciation is really good. 👍👍👍
Ok, i know i am going to catch a lot of flak over this, but I the 1980s version still holds a place in my heart. It was so creative. The set design is insane. You definitely need to watch it
There's absolutey nothing to be sorry about there. Lynch's Dune is definitely it's own worthwhile thing.
I actually love the original. I was an abnormal little girl who loved all things science fiction. My older cousin had read all the books so he rubbed off on me. Besides Sting in a speedo is always nice….
Me makes three! I loved the production value of the David Lynch's Dune. I personally believe it conveys a bit more details from the book then Villeneuve's version, especially after reading through all these comments explaining missing details to our beloved reactionary Shanelle.
@@ApolloCDR the coolest thing other than the wacky costumes for the harkonens was the “weirding” use of the voice-I wish they kept that in there. I liked that Paul taught the fremen something too and not just the other way around…
I saw this in theaters on opening weekend, and I'm going to see Part 2 tomorrow.
In theaters it was absolutely amazing. With the best part, IMO, being "GET OFF ME!" with the Voice in the stilltent. I jumped, and I feel like the entire theater shook from it.
Edit: "These people just move in. Who gives them the authority?" That would be the feudal system of Fiefdom the Empire formed into, and it's exactly the same as it's always been. Those born of Noble Blood are rulers, with the Emperor at the top of the chain. The Emperor commands, and it is done. The Noble Houses can do the same on the worlds they control, so long as it doesn't counter the Emperor.
Edit edit: Paul found Drum Sand when they were searching for Stilgar's Sietch. Drum Sand is a formation that causes the sand to carry vibration EXTREMELY well. Typically even one sound from drum sand will attract a worm. The Fremen can recognize drum sand from a distance, and steer clear of it.
My first copy of the book, a paperback edition, was published in the latter '60s. On the back cover was printed, "Soon to be a major motion picture." The Lynch version was 1984 and the TV miniseries 2000.
I just recently learned about the miniseries thanks to Jonathan Paula's Movie Night.
Both parts were amazing in IMAX. Don't wait, go see part 2 in IMAX now while you have the chance.
Then she can't react to it, lol.
@@Bonko78worth it tbh. Theres many channels i want to see react to part 2 but i cant in good conscience not recommend seeing it as Denis Villenueve intended, on the biggest screen possible
She could still react to it and share her thoughts if she waited long enough. It doesn’t always have to be a first time reaction for me.
@@Bonko78 Yes, she can. Just forgive her for making this once in a generation experience an exception.
@@Ryotsu2112 Keep up the pressure. She deserves to see Dune 2 specifically in IMAx.
The 2000 Mini-Series Dune explains this world so much better. There is so much more to the story / information in the books. The Baron was in a spice bath. I am planning on seeing part II on Tuesday. Paul's Grandfather fought bulls and was killed by a bull. The metal looking particles in the sand that Paul picked up was the Spice. I read the book, watched the 1984 version and the 2000 Mini-Series.
A Hunter-Seeker is a small remote drone used for reconnaissance (rarely) and assassinations (almost always). It typically employs poison, but not always.
It sensors aren't the best, so it's controller can't do much but recognize movement. Paul got its attention by moving into the hologram, but once there, stood still, making him impossible to find. When the housekeeper opened the door...
ZIP! And he barely managed to catch it and smash it into the wall.
It uses anti-grav tech, so it's hard to grab anyway (like trying to catch a wet bar of soap). Along with its small size, catching it like he did was fairly badass.
"this movie lays a ton of pipe..." GIGGITY!! 😀
00:44:41
“For me that’s fine… I really like that.”
Paul's Grandfather died fighting a bull, which is why all the bull imagery.
as it happens härkönen is a finnish word refering to bulls and i believe that is where herbert came up with the bull imagery - the fight between the harkonnen and the atreides
Though not show in Part 1 the Harkonnen emblem is a boar 🐗, which also kills by goring. And iirc, the Harkonnens set up the death of Leto's father.
Jessica is Duke Leto’s concubine though 😅
Came here to say this. She got real confused when they mentioned they weren’t married, then seemed confused again at the mention of a concubine lol
They gloss over so much of the political stuff. Like Leto staying unmarried for the political power a potential match gives him, the balance of Landsraad, Spacing Guild, and Emperor, etc.
Hunter seekers hone in on motion. That is why Paul was standing so still. When Shadout Mapes opened the door it went after her.
I became aware of Dune via David Lynch's adaptation. I was going into my senior year when it came out in 1984. A few years later, I read the books, a few times. I then watched the SciFi's mini-series.This version and part 2 I saw in the theaters in IMAX, and have not regretted it.
Frank Hebert's "Dune" was what inspired George Lucas's "Star Wars", so it's not surprising that this satisfied your "Star Wars" itch, as you put it.
About Part 1 and Part 2, it doesn't follow the book one for one, but the way Denis Villeneuve puts the story together really honors Frank Herbert and his son's works.
I saw both Part 1 and Part 2 with my friends at the big IMAX theater in San Francisco (one of only 12 in the world with a 70mm film print for Part 2). Both parts were genuinely AWE inspiring. And the bucket was sold out 😂
16:49 - The emperor does. That's what they said at the beginning. 😁
Saw Part 1 twice in the theatres and Part 2 also twice, and booked an IMAX ticket for next week. So good!
The world of Dune is absolutely HUGE. This is a foundational work that influences many sci-fi franchises (like Star Wars).
The movie version is beautiful and touches on many of the themes of the world but only very very superficially. People who have read the book(s) will catch a lot of really interesting references (Kudos to Villeneuve for portraying so many details faithfully) but, unfortunately, they will likely be missed by most of the people who watch this movie. Defintely read the book if you get a chance.
It seems both of these films need directors cuts and extended versions. If they go 5 hours id watch them
@@SutekhDaSteemrollerThey could do 8 years of Game of Thrones style programs and I would watch them.
Star Wars was based on Dune. This is the GOAT.
George had a number of inspirations mostly the john Carter of Mars books for tatooine
I remember going to the theater for part 1. It was shortly after the lockdowns and people where slowly trickling back into civilization. It was me and only one couple in the theater. They kept glaring at me for some reason. Probably because I sat right next to them.
Likely part of it, but the reaching over and eating their popcorn might have been the biggest contributor.
@@fs127😂
by the way the year 10191 is post the butlerian jihad but its probably in the vicinity of 20000 years into our future
So they use before guild and after guild, when it was 0 after guild it was really the year 13,000 ad so within the series the year 10,191 would actually be the year 23, 191 so this would be 21,167 years in the future
Wise choice Shanelle! I would say anyone who is completely unfamiliar with the Dune universe, should skip the '84 movie (initially) and START with Villenue's Part 1 & 2.
The Sci-Fi TV mini-series is also a valid starting point. (since it was long enough to give enough details to be comprehensive) Even if it tends to look like a High School play at times.
The 1984 movie does get shat on a lot, but I rather like it. Simply put, it is a bit more surreal & "cyberpunk". So, it's a bit more confusing for a newbie.
Also, NOT A SPOILER, JUST AN "FYI", the underlying message in Frank Herbert's Dune books was actually ANTI-"Chosen One"! And AGAINST relying on "Heroes" & charismatic leaders! It was more of a "STOP handing control of YOUR life's path over to OTHERS! And just 'DO' it yourself." kind of message.
Someone should replace the bad CGI of the miniseries with visuals from DV's. Still impressed that they got more of the book in 4.5 hours than DV did in 5+ 😅
I have no idea why anyone who's a fan of the novel could even stand Lynch's Dune. It was an abomination of the original.
"Dune" has the trappings of the Hero's Journey, but turns it on its head. "No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero" - Frank Herbert
This is gonna be THE trilogy of this decade for sure.
I read the books. They helped form my early scifi soul in my teen years. I waited many years for the DeLaurentis movie only to be disappointed. I went into this movie with no expectations and am happily impressed. Very well done. Can't wait for the second half.
This was one of the films that I went to go see not just once, but TWICE in the theater (I worried about the receipts of Part 1 here in the States so wanted to support in my own way; it did not disappoint on the big screen). The books preceded Star Wars by a number of years; George Lucas was one of the young people who read them and took a lot of inspiration from Dune when writing the original script for Star Wars (the mental powers of the all-female Bene Gesserit and their fighting prowess were heavily referenced for the Jedi Knights).
The reason for the Emperor's power is partially traditional (being the head of House Corrino which was responsible for defeating the 'thinking machines' that threatened to enslave all mankind) and also due to his control of the Sardaukar, who are viewed as the deadliest warriors in the galaxy. The Bene Gesserit work behind the scenes by providing trained women as concubines to the male leaders of the Great Houses; in this way they maintain control covertly. (The reason why Jessica did not marry Duke Leto was to leave the potential open for an alliance to another Great House through marriage; hence her designation as 'concubine' rather than 'wife').
What I think is smart about the brilliant production design is the way that each faction is visually coded differently from all the others on screen, making it easier to tell who is who...Atreides are silver/gray, Harkonnens (bad guys) are traditional black, Fremen are dark green/brown, Sardaukar (emperor's troops) are white (much like the stormtroopers in Star Wars ;-)
14:00 It is so cutting edge, that it was written about 50 years ago.
“You’ve been in my dreams, have I been in yours?” 😂 I was cracking up
1:49 - And then there's these things called "red herrings". 😉
I am once again asking why Shan hates LOTR when she likes this. Even just for set and production.
"Who's this babies daddy?" Well, when two people are in love, they share a special hug...
Also, clutching pearls isn't really about being worried, it's more about being pointlessly offended.
It took 6 years of research and writing before Frank Herbert finished Dune. He worked hard on his world building and it shows in every page of the book. I'm glad Denis Villeneuve was such a huge fan that he recognized the importance of trying to recreate Herbert's vision on screen.
I've seen both previous adaptations and read the original novel so I was able to immerse myself in the visual. One thing to keep in mind, wait until the end before you judge the story, its not simple.
Me sitting down to continue my re-read of Dune before part 2 comes out on streaming: "Oooh Shanelle watched Part 1. *click*" Reading can wait."
Two of my favorite things coming together! Shanelle and Dune
The -84 movie has always had a special place in my heart for just being crazy, in style, cast, and some of choices of differences from the books. There is a couple of miniseries made for TV as well, and they also did some weird things with the fighting and bene gesserit powers, but it's much more "down to earth". They're probably hard to find now, but worth checking out if you can find them.
Yes! Can’t wait to see dune 2!
See it in IMAX if you can!
Thank god Disney didn't get their grubby little hands on Dune or else we would have been watching the adventures of Pauline Atriedes.
Exactly. But ironically a Pauline Atreides would have fit better into the Bene Gesserit plans.
This movie is just so well crafted. Incredible efficiency, so beautiful.
14:40 - Not only that, but I love that brief montage of them packing up and leaving (reactors don’t give it enough credit). I really feel the gravitas and the permanence of that decision. Even if Paul doesn’t have a say so in that moment, it’s like - have you ever moved as a kid and had to be uprooted to a new neighborhood, new school, new friends etc.? 😢
37:10 - No no…it’s a “spice” bath, remember? It has healing properties as well. 😂
Hi Shanelle hope you are having an great and awesome day ❤
go watch part 2 on the biggest screen you can see!
She very heavily implied that she is saving Dune Part 2 to record her first-watch reaction for the channel.
such a waste of Amazing cinema experience!@@dondumitru7093
Dune Part Two is worthy of an exception.
There was an attempt to make a Dune movie in the 70s. There is a very good documentary about this called Jodorowski's Dune. It shows the massive amount of planning that went into the project and how it tragically did not get made.
God I love your channel. Especially the trivia. I just love how much you are into the details. So cool and interesting. Keep being you. ❤️
2:07 "Another Hero's Journey"
.......yeah, that's right...🙄🙄🙄
Gotta love when people make assumptions about Dune lol
lol
dont spoil it, even by hinting. just let it roll buddy
@@garad123456 apologies.
"I know what alliance they can make: a marriage! Between Timmy and Zendaya!"
oh the absolute irony
Not having Irulan narrate like she does in the 84 does kinda set the expectation that Chani is the only available woman in the universe 😅
paul talk about the emperor's daughter in this film@@LordVolkov
"I'm surprised the Emperor can say..."
Leaving out the commercial conglomerate CHOAM means that this goes mostly unexplained. CHOAM buys and sells the spice mined on Arrakis, and doesn't care who runs the planet so long as their sales quotas are met. As part of his duties, the Emperor chooses who holds the various CHOAM contracts, and on the renewal of Arrakis hands the reins to house Atreidies to set his plot in motion.
Yea VD is leaving out some rather significant world building context in this adaptation. He's obviously focusing more on the concurrent story so background details like CHOAM and the Buttlarian Jihad are seemingly being sacrificed for the sake of plot streamlining. I havent seen part 2 yet so i dont know if he has started working any of this lore material into the story. I feel it will be hard to convey WHY Arrakis is so important to the Imperium without it
@@razorfett147 Most adaptations leave out CHOAM (they get maybe a line) or fold it into the Spacing Guild for convenience, but excluding both is an odd choice to be sure.
As the Emperor is the chairman of CHOAM.
To give you some back story into the Dune universe / saga; a story that spans 35’000 years, it’s good to know that dates are know as BG (Before Guild) & AG (After Guild). The Guild monopoly on space travel / transport and upon interstellar banking is taken as the beginning point of the Imperial Calendar.
Interestingly, the events of Dune when set to our current Earth years, take place 20’000 years into our future; so technically we are part of the Dune story.
A little timeline for the Dune universe.
19000-16000BG - Earliest civilisations on Terra (Earth)
16500BG - The Roman Empire
14100BG - 13600BG - Our Solar System is colonised.
13402BG - An asteroid hits Terra making it uninhabitable.
13402BG - 13399BG - The Rescue of Treasures off Terra.
13360BG - Terra is reseeded & set aside as a natural park under Imperial Decree.
200-108BG - The Butlerian Jihad. the crusade to free humans from thinking machines.
86BG - Foundation of House Atreides.
O - Foundation of The Guild.
10140AG - Duke Leto is born
10190-10191 - House Atreides moves to Arrakis.
I saw both Dune 1 & 2 in true IMAX 1.43:1 on their respective release days….& yes it truly does need to be seen on a huge screen. This really is the adaptation that fans of the novel; like myself, have been wanting for so long.
It wasn’t rushed & forced to cram the story in to a short run time like the Lynch version; it was given the space to breathe. Also the vastness of the worlds were also allowed that space.
Not for a long time; probably since Blade Runner 2049, or seeing LOTR in a theatre have I repeatedly let out sighs of relief….& smiled so much at how amazing a film has been.
From a design point of view (as I have a degree in film design), the worlds are spectacular. From the Grecian influence on Caladan, to the brutalist buildings of Arrakeen were epic. The size of the Guild Highliners is incredible….& seeing Salusa Secundus was just the icing on the cake….& the scale of the worms in part 2 is mind blowing!!
Casting was spot on; just wish we’d been given more of Piter De Vries!! Rebecca Ferguson was excellent as Jessica & the regendering of Liet Kynes didn’t even bother me. The Baron is truly terrifying; not some pantomime villain as we saw in the Lynch version.
10/10 & an absolute must see in the theatres!!!
Also, a few little things of interest:
The Kangaroo Mouse, Maud’Dib has special significance in Part 2
Paul’s line ‘I recognise your footsteps old man’ are him alluding to Shai Hulud. The worms have many names; many given to them by the Fremen. These including Old Man of The Desert, Old Man Eternity & Grandfather of The Desert. In Arabic Shayʾ-Khulud translates as "Thing of Eternity" or "Thing of Immortality", consisting of Shayʾ "thing of" (in construct state) and Khulud "eternity" or "immortality".
The way Josh Brolin chewed the word BRRUTAL!
If you like the story, after watching the Lynch version check out the SyFy Channel miniseries. Though it has an obvious lack of budget and some spotty to bad acting, it dives into the story better than the other two in many ways. 🤟😎
both were boring , the mini series less so but it was a bad CGI and blue screen mess. i watched a fuzzy screen because it was very badly made. cgi... terrible , bluescreen... terrible . miniseries is a wreck but still better than the movie from earlier .
@@philipocallaghanit's strength is it's script. Also, the depiction of the Harkonnen as more of a royal house was better than both filming attempts.
Jessica is a Concubine. Marriage is reserved for political purposes for the royal houses.
When they went for the rescue mission, I so wanted to see David Lynch answering on the radio.
To your commentary:
When the book and story were written and published (1965), Star Wars and Avatar were just a wet dream.
G. Lucas and J. Cameron also openly admit to having helped themselves to the story. 😉
10:55 do you have NO clue what an "emperor" is?
*raises hand* Do you have NO clue what a sad cliché is solo edgelord renegade rebel?
Are you trying to post multiple times to make it seem like there's more opposition like fanatics do in political threads in the lame hopes that people won't notice it's just the same people? It's the comment section not a watch-along. Unless you're responding, you state your case once or skip past it. Not simping. I have my own critiques. You don't see me posting over and over about her fan-girling over some mass produced disney princess clone being shoe-horned into yet another movie. Blech. Zendaya. She's a 7 at best. It's the equivalent of Britney Spears showing up in the Star Wars Prequels. I can't take celebrities w/ one name seriously anyway. Just an example of something i intended to let slide.
@@russellh.3150you sound like you're fun at parties
Nice timing. Part two is even better!
Shanelle, part 2 is even better.🎉
"But I have notes." I watch a lot of reactors, but you are the first one to notice that despite the peril, Jessica is still being Paul's mom.
Awesome reaction of my favorite movie!!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
If this is your favorite movie you *MUST* watch Lawrence of Arabia inmediately.
0:42 - Yeah, about that: though it's so exposition heavy, the story quickly gets so convoluted you *WON'T BE ABLE TO FOLLOW.* So, you're not missing anything. Still, it's worth a watch later on down the road. It's got great cinematography, fx, and set design. It has charm despite its flaws.
I disagree,it's exposition heavy because the book is filled with inner monologue where externally you see something but internally a different message/exposition is conveyed. I read the book multiple times and I feel the neophyte would get much more context.
@@znk0r Or a headache. That might work for a book but in movies, "show, don't tell" is king.
I read Dune in 1976 in high-school. Saw Star Wars opening weekend in '77 and couldn't help but see so many similarities.
Dune, however, is a different and twisted tale of ambitions and scheming and stepping into a preset path and what you will do with the things that are placed in front of you.
It is also about the evolution of human kind while not evolving in emotional/ambitions.
5:00 Mom isn't from Caladan, so it actually makes sense...
Gorgeous AND great taste in movies! She's a keeper! 😊
18:25 - A hunter-seeker has limited sensory ability and primarily detects it's prey through movement. By staying perfectly still (to a degree only possible thanks to his Bene Gesserit training), Paul was able to avoid the probe's notice. It was only when it was distracted by the Shadout Maeps opening the door that he was able to grab it and smash it against the wall.
22:15 - That darker brown dust on top of the sand is what all of this is about: the Spice, Melange.
22:22 - And THIS is the moment Duke Leto earned the Fremen's respect.
25:23 - This is all about love, politics, and the Bene Gesserit breeding program. It's complicated stuff that is one of the few things this version doesn't cover well. Jessica's official position is that of Bene Gesserit assigned concubine, but they both truly love each other, and that's why Jessica broke orders and gave Leto a son.
26:03 - Personal shields in Dune are inertia-based deflectors. Anything going faster than a certain speed is deflected (when the shield shines blue), but anything slower than that can penetrate the shield (when it's red).
37:08 - It's a cocktail of medicinal herbs and Spice. It's how he's being treated for poison exposure.
37:52 - She's only a couple weeks pregnant at this point. The only reason she even knows she's pregnant is her preternatural awareness of her own body that comes from her Bene Gesserit training (which, incidentally, is also what allows her to control whether her child is male or female).
44:08 - Dune is to Star Wars what The Dark Crystal was to Muppet Babies. Most of the formative ideas of Star Wars came directly from the Dune novels.
I think most of your viewers who are Dune fans would gladly sacrifice your first-view reactions to know that you got to see Part 2 in all it's IMAX glory.
No interpretation of Dune is perfect: the book is too deep for that. The most COMPLETE interpretation of the story is probably the three-part SciFi miniseries, though it lacks someone in production quality. You should definitely watch that and the '84 movie after you've seen Part 2.
Part two is amazing I can’t wait for you to see it !!!
The spice must flow.
Let’s hope her politics don’t leak yet again into another reaction.
There are times you go to the theater and you just leave in awe. this was one of those times.
About the bull iconography, at least one meaning is about the Atreides walking into danger, like a bull fighter walks into the ring with the bull. Paul's grandfather was a bullfighter and it is implied the bull killed him. The Atreides saw the trap of going into Arrakis, and did it valiantly with a plan to prevail, but unfortunately the only ones who made it were Paul and Jessica.
A nice final reference to bull fighting was the duel with Jamis. Paul bests him many times, like a picador puts spears into a bull, but in the end, despite Paul's wishes, the audience demanded he become the matador. Jamis charges in with a tricky change of weapon hands, and Paul side steps, and mortally stabs him as he passes by.
I don't understand why you are simping for Zendaya. She is at best mediocre in her acting, and of unremarkable appearance. No reason to get excited.
You do understand this is subjective, right? I mean, she’s a bit waifish for my tastes, but she’s certainly beautiful. Yours isn’t the first such opinion I’ve seen recently and i can’t help wondering if it’s just racism.
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I am talking about her face, not her body. And no, facial beauty is not subjective. It is hard-wired on an instinctual level. The closer that a woman is to matching either a symmetrical wire-frame Golden Ratio Facial Mask or a Marquardt Facial Mask, the more beautiful she is rated by men, and it crosses cultures, ethnic groups, and racial groups.
There you go with the R-card. What a cop-out.
Off the top of my head I can name a dozen black women in Hollywood who are many times more beautiful than Zendaya (in no particular order):
Pam Grier
Halle Berry
Angela Bassett
Regina King
Gabrielle Union
Garcelle Beauvais
Tamara Taylor
Naomi Campbell
Tyra Banks
Phylisha Rashad
Theresa Randle
Grace Jones
Iman
Sierra Aylina McClaine