Jason Kidd beefed his way into being called a "coach killer"
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2024
- Jason Kidd may or may not have gotten his coach fired when he was with the New Jersey Nets. We'll leave that up to your judgment. He DEFINITELY had beef with coaches, though, and carried it with him through several different stops as an NBA player.
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"We played golf" will be my go-to line if I ever have beef with someone lol
also add in that you had dinner and lunch with the guy don't forget that
No lie 🤣
Not gonna lie, Kidd sounds like a real piece of work.
Wife beaters typically aren't very likeable unless they've got good PR agents working overtime.
“I wasnt yelling it’s your fault for listening” greatest defense ever 😩🤣🤷🏾♂️
Probably the second greatest, only following “depends what your definition of ‘is’ is.”
Beef History: Jason Kidd vs His Wife
Marriage Counselors claim he's literally uncoachable!
Eh we dont know what happen between them
@@Liam-ex4mfWe don't know what happened between them, *YET*
30 for 30: Just Kidding Around
@@UncleJrueForTuelmao is that a legit 30 for 30 documentary?
@@QuestionEverything562 Depends on how Brave ESPN is willing to be.
As a diehard Nets fan the three year run of Kidd and Kenyon Martin doesn’t get enough retrospective attention outside of NJ. Those teams are legendary here and the stories, from the turnaround, to the beefs with ownership, the playoff dominance, the off-court dramas, the move and more have never been fully mined. Obviously biased, but I think that could make for a hell of an interesting doc.
A Nets/Kidd doc covering 2002-2007 would be gold. I would watch that in a heartbeat.
Kenyon gets too much credit. J-Kidd was the sole engine
Yeah it’s legendary…. There. Lol
@@Watchingvideoslikeu Kmart was Mid! Good role player but that’s it.
@@nocturne311 secret base has one. It's linked at the end of this video.
A pretty weird dichotomy how one of the most unselfish, prototypical PG’s in NBA history, who made everyone on his team better as a floor general everywhere he went, could also seemingly carry himself in such a selfish, almost toxic like manner off the court and within the organization. Some of these stories make Terrell Owens look like Tim Duncan by comparison 😩
He literally admits it lmfao. Listen to any of the numerous podcasts he's done since retiring
Kidd never outgrew his last name
summary: kidd acted like a grown ass kid his entire career. got it.
At least he seemed to mature when he was in his 2nd Mavs stint.
Grown ass kidd*
The fact that he played with braces in college is an achievement we should recognize.
I’ve always said Jason Kidd looks like the villain from a mid 90’s Disney Channel movie
Loved Jason Kidd as a player. Great mind. He had a lot of influence too. But as a coach, I really wish he'd just be an assistant. Though it would be funny if a "coach killer" like him gets canned in the same way, especially if the Mavs don't improve. Then he'll know how that feels. 😅
Honestly after watching the Kidd-Jackson-Mashburn beef, maybe he just easily recognizes bad qualities in coaches and knows how they tank a team. He didn’t have a problem with Carlisle. Or maybe he just likes being in control. Only Jason Kidd can say
Karma's a b****
@@benjaminwaters275That's one example of like a dozen coaches, lol. Have you heard one coach saying how much he liked coaching Kidd? Kind of strange no one has since he played 20 years and was a first ballot hall of famer. As far as his early Mavs years, Motta coached almost 2,000 games in the league. Nelson traded him, who's considered one of the greatest coaches/GM's.
@@benjaminwaters275He didn't have public beef with Carlisle as a player, but he got his current job after the Mavs pressured Carlisle into 'resigning'
The Mavericks have become super woke with their diversity hire practices within the organization. I wonder how long it will take for them to investigate more into Jason Kidd's history of domestic abuse and DUIs. I get a strong feeling that the Mavericks will fire him after this season. It won't just be because they lost in the 1st or 2nd round.
I feel like this video confirms that Jason Kidd is kinda frightening. I can't imagine what it was like to be married to this guy.
Dude’s a wild card
Why? What yall mean about him?
his time on the Knicks was pretty good at least
It’s bittersweet when Secretbase covers the early 2k New Jersey Nets. Back to back finals appearances. Then 20 years later we probably have the greatest scoring team ever and the opportunity slips again. I do think we are headed in the right direction w the rebuild and some of these young players.
Then management cut most of the team to cut costs. Sad.
they should trade mikal while he's great and recoup some of the picks that they spend because damn it looks bleak
Lmao sick rebuild. The Nets are a poverty franchise
The nets will never consistently spend, and consistently spend intelligently. They'll always be dollar store tier nba franchise. Sorry.
I had no idea that Kidd got the Bucks coach fired so he could coach the Bucks. Always learning something with Secret Base.
Kinda sounds like this year's Bucks......Doc mentor role for Griffin who gets mysteriously fired so He can take over haha.....what's in that water up there Milwaukee
Seth putting in that work as always
Fitting last name for him. Such a kid
"Coach Killer" is one of those things that, just the fact that you are accused of it, kinda already makes it true.
Honorable mention: Deron Williams (RIP Jerry Sloan)
🎯🤣
Magic Johnson was accused of such too.
@@CrazyxEnigma j.kidd actually was arrested.
@@lk5388 For domestic violence yes. What does that have to do with other players having the coach killer label?
@@CrazyxEnigmaIt's true. Magic Johnson got Paul Westhead fired. Some people think he got Pat Riley fired from the Lakers as well. Riley getting fired from the Lakers was more of James Worthy & Byron Scott
Damn. I didn’t know Jason Kidd had beef with coaches. The irony that he is one now 😂
Those 90s Mavs teams were truly awful
Until they got better, then the three Js fought over Toni Braxton.
Thank God for Seth! He should do all the NBA ones.
Seth and Secret Base, you mad geniuses... I can't believe you ended the video on a real life cliffhanger
These beef videos are probably my favorite series on all UA-cam
Jason Kidd has something us hockey fans called "Peter DeBoer Syndrome". He'll bless you with a deep playoff run or have the team surpassed expectations on one or two occasions, but then his coaching style gets exposed and his team's performance slowly wears down.
Rewinder: 2006 Orange Bowl 3OTs
Beef History: Lindros vs Flyers Organization
Overlap: Greatest College Football Coach (Saban) and the Greatest NFL Coach (Belichick) coaching in the same division
Beef History: Phil Jackson and Pat Riley
Untitled: Reggie Miller
Untitled: Tracy McGrady
Untitled: Ken Griffey Junior
Untitled: Carl Yastrzemski
Untitled: Ted Williams
Untitled: Jim Kelly
Collapse: Early 90s Bills
Prism: Steph Curry and all those mid major players
Rewinder: The Catch By Willie
Rewinder: Wide Right I, Wide Right II
Rewinder: Hank Aaron and Bonds breaking the respective HR record
Untitled: Don Nelson
After the Bucks Kidd was an Assistant Coach for the Lakers and won the title with them in the Bubble. Then he went to Dallas the next season.
Anyway, great research/video (as usual)!
And the whole time he was here the common theory is Vogel was set up for failure to be scapegoated and Kidd would take over upon his firing.
Vogel was given an abnormally short leash it's embarrassing how much longer Darvin Ham's is and he has no redeeming qualities he's about as bad as Boylen and Beilen were for the Bulls and Cavs respectively.
@@CrazyxEnigma Kidd being anchored to the team as assistant is exactly what scared Tyrone Lue away from the job. I'm guessing the Lakers would love to have him right now.
@@SmoothCriminal12 The shorter years and complete control the Lakers wanted to have over who became his assistants rightfully pissed Lue off. Our ownership overcorrects on any mistake they've made. I'd rather have any other coach past or present be here instead of Ham, Del Harris would be doing a better job and there's a reason he never saw a HC gig again after he was fired in 99.
@@CrazyxEnigmaDel Harris was fired by the Lakers so Phil Jackson could coach them, but why hasn't Del been hired since then?
@@pheo1418 Because he wasn't that good and actively hindered Kobe's development as a player, Magic also called him an idiot right to the press when he came back to play in 96. Y'know when Kobe scored 62 in three quarters and outscored the Mavs single handedly? Harris was an assistant on their bench.
Say what you will about being labeled “Coach Killer” it’s better than “Wife Beater”
Secret Base NBA ❤ Rewatched the collapse of the Knicks so many times haha
Beef History: Jason Kidd Vs Father Time
Jason Kidd: coach killer
Lebron: hold my beer
Lebron is an everything killer.
I agree, but at least after coaching LeBron, you know you're going to get another head coaching gig
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby Mad
It’s kinda funny that LeBron has that reputation given that the only Coach who was fired undeservedly (with his involvement) was Vogel, and he still had clear issues. Namely that he refused to actually change his offensive strategy at all, which is a common problem for him (one one team that was ever top 10 in Offensive Rating in his entire career). Even with Durant, Beal, and Booker, he’s barely to top ten now with the Suns, and wasn’t for most of the year.
Blatt was a complete idiot, Brown was fired after LeBron was already a FA, and Paul Silas was fired by Dan Gilbert right after he bought the Cavs, because Gilbert is a racist fool. Lue outright left partway through 2019 after going winless and proving he couldn’t handle a rebuild, when LeBron was already gone.
Idk, as a lifelong Cavs fan who has seen LeBron come and go for his whole career, it seems more like a post-hoc media narrative than anything of substance.
Lol this is powerfully stupid 😂
Jason Kidd has popped up in a lot of these
If you from Jersey this hits different
I always love these videos, they are so well done!
Would have liked to have seen him go to San Antonio and tried that with Pop.
Luka as a coach killer is a stretch but another classic
Right? How can you 'kill' someone who resigned?
@emcee_spokesman because they liked him and instead of firing, they told him to resign.
@@loveNsuccessfollowsmeHe resigned on his own. He had a year left on his deal and knew he wasn’t going to get extended.
@darnellmonk2086 oh ok, thanks for the knowledge.
@@darnellmonk2086 He resigned in response to Donnie Nelson getting fired
Excellent video! Love this series
If we can think who is a coach killer ?
The first thing comes to mind is Deron Williams , dude just killed Jerry Sloan's coaching career around 2011.
Man has never recovered from that beef with him.
Byron Scott in the thumbnail like “😏” lol
Luka a coach killer? What? One coach left in his 6 seasons... Carlise was there for more than a decade and wanted a change.
B-B-But Luka was responsible for getting him fired!!!
Narratives are funny like that even though it's public knowledge why Carlisle left.
Well done and edited. Good production
Lifelong Mavs fan - while I'm grateful that Kidd helped Dallas win their lone championship, between his early career and his current coaching stint (running Luka into the absolute ground), he's barely coming out on the positive side
Full circle. This was a great video.
I wish the Mavs would let him go and get a coach that can win championships with Luka, the best player in the game.
New Beef History: Jason Kidd vs A Jumper.
Top 5 all time in 3 pointers made
@@mongoslade277 First of all, he's #15 all-time, not top 5. Look at his first 8 years. Man had no jumper. He only made threes later on when completely left wide open intentionally. He couldn't even dribble into a jumper.
@@QuestionEverything562 I don't disagree. I remember when they called him ason bc he had no J. I think it's one of those stats that don't tell the whole story that's he's ranked top 20 in made 3's
@@QuestionEverything562 Btw I looked it up. Jason Kidd got as high as 3rd on the all time made 3 pointers list. I knew he was in the top 5. In the 2011 season the year he won the chip Kidd passed Dale Ellis for 3rd place
@@mongoslade277 But he is no longer there. So yeah, at one point before the three point revolution. He was in the top 3-5 in career three point makes. I still don't think of him as a good shooter overall. He was a career 35% from three. That's better than LeBron and Kobe I suppose.
The fact that the title is just him vs “coaches” is hilarious
Would have been fun to have him on the spurs trying to get rid of popovich 😂
Glad to hear my guy Seth.
We need to have a Pep-Mourinho beef history, long overdue
He beefed with Rick Carlisle too before the championship! And of course we all know what a great coach he is now lol. Just a really weird guy.
I can't even sarcastically get with this... kidd is such a terrible coach... HOFers players are terrible coaches
hey secret base, could you please do a rewind of the 2008 nfc championship game? that eagles-cardinals game was exciting
Rewinder idea would be the famous A-Rod walk-off that led to Luis Castillo’s dropped ball. It’s an interesting take in that it became a turning point for the Yankees and Mets in opposite ways, and it was iconic transition point for both franchises. Plus, we are getting close to the 15th anniversary of that moment.
10:57 goat sighting!! Dude is an inspiration.
It seems that JKidd more so has beef with people named “Scott” and “Jim”.
You guys should definitely do some collapse videos. Those are really cool to see how good teams fall apart so hard
People forget Kidd was an assistant on the 2020 Lakers squad
I love secret base
I love you.😊
I wonder how “blindsided” Larry Drew was when his son moved out of UNC in the middle of the night after Marcus Paige took his spot?
One of the coldest to ever do it. White chocolate. Old bull. Speak up!
- Chronic man
Wait how is Luka a coach killer lol. He did say he didn't like how Rick treated other players. But Rick moved resigned cause all the other bullshit that was going on. Though Kidd might of had something to do with Rick resigning too lol
Explain to me how Luka is a coach killer when his ONLY coach resigned?
On the court He is the best player Ive ever seen . He was in the 12th grade.I was 9 years young. I didn't encounter him off the court. Off the court Steve Kerr, Klay Thompson, Leon Powe and Brian Shaw was cool.
Thank you for listening to me about the video idea.
Damn it’s June 2024 and Jason Kidd is coaching a team in the finals😂
Solid content. Hope this is all original
You could probably put a 2-hour Scott Skiles beef video together.
This got hilarious at the end summarizing his head coaching career.
Kidd is a Bay Area and NBA Legend but an average coach. I think he would be a better college coach. And this is the best narrator, keep him for all the videos.
that ending was class
Carlisle resign one day after Donnie Nelson was fired. How do you guys come to the conclusion that Luka is a coach killer ?
I'll be charitable assuming they got that headline from somewhere else and didn't make it up themselves, still ridiculous they even put it into the video just since it's funny in an ironic way Kidd could be in the same position as the coaches he beefed with were.
Now know why he didn't signed with the Spurs, he realised he can't manipulate Popovich.
I think it had more to do with him knowing it would be an all time weak move. 2nd in MVP votes to lead his team to the finals and then join the team and player that beat him for both a championship and MVP? Would've been as bad as KD to the Warriors. Edit: He is on record saying he regrets not doing it if that means anything.
Beef history suggestions,
Eric Lindross vs. Flyers
Geoege Steinbrenner vs. Billy Martin
Patrick Roy vs. Mario Tremblay
George Karl vs. Pretty Much Everyone
There is a Beef History video between George Karl and Carmelo Anthony during their tenure with the Denver Nuggets
I'm honestly not sure if Billy and George were genuinely beefing, or if it was all just marketing and publicity.
have heard of a lot of public trade demands but this is the first time i heard of one that wants another guy traded 😂
A few things I learned from the nba.
1. Shaq bought his doctorate degree. The Duality of Humor and Aggression in Leadership Styles. Ain't no way shaq ever study or read a book. Or wrote a thesis paper 😂😂😂
2. Hide your girlfriend, wife and daughter when Derrick fisher enters the room.
3. Cover your CUP while kidd is around you.
Seth and Clara need to team up and do The History of the Washington Wizards. Love Jon and Alex, but Seth is S-tier when it comes to telling NBA stories (see "Chosen", just for example.)
Lol "Hit Me..."😂😂😂
I hope this channel survives long enough to make a beef history with wemby and chet.
When the origin story of Jason Kidd being a "Coach Killer" dates back to college that's something that can't be denied and made worse when family speaks up on his behalf.
Well well well… how the turntables…
Not to mention killing his own coaching career
guys at Secret Base, please lower the background music volume a little bit
Coach Killer as a player and Team Killer as a coach
He was a coach killer after he got hired in Milwaukee too
BRUH THAT ENDING 😂😂😂😂
You should do a video about the beef between Quentin Richardson and Paul Pierce. How did that beef started?
Nets and problematic point guards, name a more iconic duo I'll wait
Great content keep up the great work 🤌💪🙏
I always forget about Jason Kidd the player. Weird. None of this video, nor everything Ive learned about Kidd outside of basketball really surprises me lol. He kinda just seems like the type of guy to do all that stuff.
From what I recall, Capanelli was overheard berating a player in the team room by the AD, and that was the turning point. Kidd wasn't the player in that case.
Beef history:
Jason Kidd vs Being even a little bit likeable
Amazing they post this while he's on thin ice as a coach 😮
Should’ve done Jason Kidd vs Joumana Kidd/domestic abuse or Jason Kidd vs DUI’s
Beef History: Sam Wyche vs Jerry Glanville
The good old AFC Central
Can yall please do a Mourinho vs Pep beef history?
alex vs arsene would be great too!
It is good to see that that long ago Kidd was thrown out due to domestic violence charges. There should be no room for that kind of behaviour and violence in professional sports. One and done.
Jason Kidd
Drafted: 1994 NBA draft: 1st round, 2nd overall pick by the Dallas Mavericks.
# 19 NBA seasons;
- Dallas Mavericks 1994-1997
- Phoenix Suns 1997-2001
- New Jersey Nets 2001-2008
- 2nd run Dallas Mavericks 2008-2012
- New York Knicks 2012-2013
CHAMPIONSHIPS:
# NBA league champion (2011 with Mavericks).
# 2x Olympic gold medalist (2000 & 2008).
# 3x FIBA Americas Championship gold medalist (1999, 2003 & 2007)
TITLES/AWARDS:
# NBA Rookie of the Year Award (1995 Co-won with Grant Hill)
# 2× NBA Sportsmanship Award (2012 & 2013)
# 5× NBA league assists leader (1999-2001, 2003 & 2004)
# USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year Award (2007)
# 5× All-NBA First Team (1999-2002 & 2004)
# All-NBA Second Team (2003)
# 4× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1999, 2001, 2002 & 2006)
# 5× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2000, 2003-2005 & 2007)
# 10× NBA All-Star player (1996, 1998, 2000-2004, 2007, 2008 & 2010)
# No. 5# retired by NJ/Brooklyn Nets.
RECORDS:
# The first player ever in NBA to win back-to-back the NBA Sportsmanship Award.
AS HEAD COACH:
# 2013-2023 = 537 games, 273 wins, 264 losses.
# 4 play-offs.
I don't care as a nets fan the J kid Era was the best years for a nets fan
Wow I had no idea how abusive Jason Kidd was that's shameful.
Over time I realized great point guards usually have the most rifts with coaches , think Rajon rando, Chris Paul , all are great but for some reason because they have the worst beefs with coach’s
Maybe real point guards have a problem yielding control?
So in a way, Kidd not signing with the Spurs is a blessing in disguise.
Idk if Kidd would weave his "coach killer proclivities", but as long as the team is winning consistently, plus the fact the franchise player is in "kindred sprits" with the coach, Kidd's sole concern is just to play his best every game like what he did in his second stint in Dallas under Rick Carlisle.
Kidd admitted he got cold feet not signing in San Antonio.
This feature mentioned "unfinished business", either out of loyalty or something more (i.e. faceoff with Coach Scott).
Player mutiny is not new in the NBA. Penny Hardaway did that to Brian Hill (1997).
Avery Johnson and certain Spurs teammates did that to Bob Hill (1996).
Anyhow, will it be "what goes around, comes around" with Luka?
If Kidd signs there, I have to assume Tony Parker gets shipped off elsewhere since Pop didn't seem to be a huge fan of him at the time. Maybe never develops into the star he did if he's not in San Antonio.
Knew it was coming.
Now, ironically, Kidd has become one of the worst head coaches I have ever seen!