Thank you! Gaudapada and Shankara gave an interesting explication of this matter. When you aware only a being under the veil of multiplicity in waking world; when you aware only an awareness under the veil of multiplicity in dreaming world; and when you aware a happy and bliss in deep sleep, you are constantly exist in Turiya level of consciousness.
Words have varying definitions, each person carries various associations. When we have discarded this level of awareness, Yes, and no. We normally view the world, filtered through our false mind created egoic self, with its’ collection of images. When you mediate/meditate present senses, take two steps back to I, one step forward to I am, awareness of awareness of consciousness is visible with the veil removed. At times, you may then dance with I = i am. The indescribable / describable union. Rest, awaken refreshed, chop wood, carry water, bake bread.
Experiencer can not be experienced by itself, but it always available to experience other objects. When you stop experiencing other objects of experience in your meditation, that is when you can recognize(know) that you are the awareness/experiencer itself, i.e. Ahm Bhram-asmi ,(I am the awareness/consciousness).
this is one take of Turiya. another one is Sat- chit- ananda, and the Turiya is the 4th. basically what Turiya means - you are not that. whatever "that" may be. because what you are is beyond description. You may say - you are nothing and you are everything, but in the sense of logic - that make no sense at all, even if on another level, it is perfectly true. Turiya is the mystic dimension of yourself, that can't be translated by words. Why? because words are invention of logic/mind, and Turiya goes beyond logic/mind. That is why it is beyond any description. Turiya is not part of an experience. experience needs 3 parts. object, subject and the process. Turiya has none of those. Turiya is unity of all those. When I say unity - it negates all 3 aspects as separate. Turiya is ultimately the state of being. 2nd. Sutra of Yoga Sutras is describing the state of Turiya. satori is one example of having a glimpse of Turiya.
By the word "conciousness" we understand awareness, so swami using this word for the turya is completely confusing! Turya is not conscious, it should be called subtile intelligence , for me i call it the holy spirit of our most inner ground, like Meister Eckart called it, where god( brahman) is dwelling.
Swamiji , all you are saying is intellectual exercise .......if listened carefully you are still moving around bush . You may have sharp intelligence but you have not entered into that space and without pure experience that Shree Ramakrishna or Shree Vivekanada has. You may very well explain like a good teacher who explain the experience of things that Scientists experimented , discovered and experienced. At the end of day it's intellectual exercise. Not pure experience.
Ah, but it's at the very end where he discusses what it's like as one "comes out of Samadhi", in other words : Experientially via Meditation 😉 Now, as it's just a short 10min clip taken from a longer talk, I guess he carries on to explain more fully the HOW of Samadhi eh ? 🤷♂️
A "moment" is only in the mind, in reality there are no separate moments only eternity.
It's easy to notice that somehow it's always "this moment".
Thank you! Gaudapada and Shankara gave an interesting explication of this matter. When you aware only a being under the veil of multiplicity in waking world; when you aware only an awareness under the veil of multiplicity in dreaming world; and when you aware a happy and bliss in deep sleep, you are constantly exist in Turiya level of consciousness.
Very insightful and helpful. Thank you.
Sadar pranam.adhbut
Words have varying definitions, each person carries various associations. When we have discarded this level of awareness, Yes, and no.
We normally view the world, filtered through our false mind created egoic self, with its’ collection of images. When you mediate/meditate present senses, take two steps back to I, one step forward to I am, awareness of awareness of consciousness is visible with the veil removed. At times, you may then dance with I = i am. The indescribable / describable union.
Rest, awaken refreshed, chop wood, carry water, bake bread.
Experiencer can not be experienced by itself, but it always available to experience other objects. When you stop experiencing other objects of experience in your meditation, that is when you can recognize(know) that you are the awareness/experiencer itself, i.e. Ahm Bhram-asmi ,(I am the awareness/consciousness).
The eye cannot see itself. The I cannot see I-self. I am the I.
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this is one take of Turiya. another one is Sat- chit- ananda, and the Turiya is the 4th. basically what Turiya means - you are not that. whatever "that" may be. because what you are is beyond description. You may say - you are nothing and you are everything, but in the sense of logic - that make no sense at all, even if on another level, it is perfectly true. Turiya is the mystic dimension of yourself, that can't be translated by words. Why? because words are invention of logic/mind, and Turiya goes beyond logic/mind. That is why it is beyond any description.
Turiya is not part of an experience. experience needs 3 parts. object, subject and the process. Turiya has none of those. Turiya is unity of all those. When I say unity - it negates all 3 aspects as separate. Turiya is ultimately the state of being. 2nd. Sutra of Yoga Sutras is describing the state of Turiya.
satori is one example of having a glimpse of Turiya.
By the word "conciousness" we understand awareness, so swami using this word for the turya is completely confusing! Turya is not conscious, it should be called subtile intelligence , for me i call it the holy spirit of our most inner ground, like Meister Eckart called it, where god( brahman) is dwelling.
Swamiji , all you are saying is intellectual exercise .......if listened carefully you are still moving around bush . You may have sharp intelligence but you have not entered into that space and without pure experience that Shree Ramakrishna or Shree Vivekanada has. You may very well explain like a good teacher who explain the experience of things that Scientists experimented , discovered and experienced. At the end of day it's intellectual exercise. Not pure experience.
Ah, but it's at the very end where he discusses what it's like as one "comes out of Samadhi", in other words : Experientially via Meditation 😉
Now, as it's just a short 10min clip taken from a longer talk, I guess he carries on to explain more fully the HOW of Samadhi eh ? 🤷♂️