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Which NFL Team Won The QB Sweepstakes? | Stinkin' Truth Podcast
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2024
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Mark Schlereth and Mike Evans give their post draft breakdown. Which team won the QB Sweepstakes?
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It’s nice to finally listen to someone who knows what they are talking about when it comes to Bo nix and the broncos.
Let’s hope!
Thank you Brandon Perna from That's Good Sports also speaks good about Nix a bit but Mark has been there done that.
Mark is a Denver Treasure no doubt. Can listen to him all day talk ball and life. Appreciate you Stink!!!
Thank you!
Your comments on Fangio completely validates my thoughts on what happened to Drew Lock after his rookie year and how bringing in Amy Shumur to be the OC completely derailed his development to be a competent NFL QB
Amy made me laugh
Lol took me a sec but that's a good one
100%
Most underrated podcast out there!
I appreciate it.
Wanna know who else didn't have a "big arm?" Peyton Manning (especially after that surgery), Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan...... I could keep going. Pat Mahomes and Josh Allen have messed up people's minds. They've forgotten that there's more than one way to skin a cat and they've forgotten all the BIG ARMS like Jeff George and Jamarcus Russell who couldn't play ball. Can you play ball and can you lead a football team?
Flaco had a big arm, how did that work out.
Great to hear your thoughts on the Nix pick, Stink. You, Saban, Belichick, and Riddick have all spoken highly about the fit with Payton, his accuracy, and how he gets the ball out quick. He has good legs and athleticism, but basically plays purely from the pocket as well.
Another thing I like about Nix is how he improved literally every year he started, which makes me feel great about his work ethic and how coachable he'll be under Sean Payton.
I think fit is one of the most things.
Expecto Patronus! Hahahaha! K.J. Hamler and Jerry Jeudy..... Drew Lock is now Justin Herbert! Gotta love magic!
Stink, I can't thank you enough for sticking to your guns and being HONEST about Jeudy. You were absolutely right about that cat. I wish him well but I'm glad he's not a Bronco anymore.
I appreciate that good riddance and I’m with you. I hope he figures it out.
I'll always think his morale was broken the instant Russ walked off the field & begged Hackett not to make him go for it on 4th & 5 week one of '22. Watch that clip again. Jeudy's jaw drops as he realized what Russ was doing.
@@choosecarefully408 You couldn't pay me a million dollars to go relive that, but I totally believe you. That was the most dysfunctional Broncos team in the history of the NFL.
@@78LedHead Yeah, sorry. I'm one of those rare people who realizes that things I don't like happen whether I acknowledge them or not. So, not wanting to lie to myself I forget that my brutal honesty hits others differently.
The thing is, the only reason I returned to watching the NFL was finding analysis channels. I thought "this is great. Now we can *call **_out_* the bad coaching & play-calling & stop blaming QBs & players when it's not their fault."
How naive, eh? People still think Lamar's 3 pedestrian years mean he's a glorified RB, Justin Fields "holds onto the ball too long," an empty meme that *doesn't apply* when you're scrambling for your life as opposed to being in the pocket & I don't know if anyone thinks Pickett sucks or was being held back by Matt Canada because the fans all changed their opinions to match their anger, not reality.
Kinda makes it hard to hold an intelligent conversation with anyone though.
@@choosecarefully408 You make some excellent points. I will say, I'm of the mind that Lamar, even though a great football player, has a TON of growing to do if he's ever going to help lead the Ravens to playoff success. Last year? That loss? I've never in my life witnessed a star QB react that way. It was worse than a rookie. The demeanor.... the body language.... it's like he got embarrassed and gave up. I'd be real worried as a Ravens fan. Lots of regular season success, but in the playoffs? Uh oh. That's just my analysis though.
I think it's a mix of poor coaching and some of these guys just not being able to cut it. MOST don't cut it in the league, and some can do it with good coaching or not.
Love the show and love your football knowledge!
Thanks
I've seen Nix layer a 58 yard pass in the air distance , opposite side of the defender. The Reciever had to reach out in front of himself to catch on it the run but the pass was perfect. Secondly, of passes thrown past the line of scrimmage Nix was 71%, best of all 5 QB's taken ahead of him.
The great draft of 83, Dan Marino was the sixth QB picked. He turned out ok. 😊
Great insight into these teams and I really enjoy it...
Thank you
@StinkinTruthPodcast Thank you for the great content.
@@StinkinTruthPodcast Could you tell Mark I'm a huge fan and keep up the great work?
Nix might have thrown a lot of short passes, but Franklin, caught 81 balls for 17 yards per catch...so, I think that alone, shows Nix is not just a short pass QB....
Great show.
Thanks
Gotta say I never envisioned Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer hoisting the Lombardi Trophy ...
Correct
The Most Polarizing QB Draft in modern NFL history (pretty sure)…of the first 12 draft picks half were QBs, including the first three. Then a canyon…no QB was drafted until pick 15 of the 5th round (Rattler). 6 QBs - 1st round, the remaining 5 (5th and lower). That #12 pick was pivotal, almost monumental, by the numbers. they should put it on his uniform.
Great show, you guys. Very educational. Speaking of #12, Tom Brady wore out defenses throwing to slant route guys like Welker and Edelman. I never remember him really throwing bombs either. Maybe a 15-20 sideliners to Gronk but that's about it.
Crazy QB draft
What if they built it in to the helmets kind of like Mark Kelsos Bills helmet from the 90s.
Jeff George had one of the best arms in NFL history, how'd that work out. He was an NFL QB at the same time as Joe Montana, wanna guess what an arm strength contest would look like between the two of them?
Movies from the past see Stink as Ogre Donald Gibb from the Nerds movie
Yeah im excited about BO
Thanks Mark. People become so obsessed with traits and age. That they miss out on leadership legit statistics. Processing ability. All the things that Bo does extremely well and let's not act like he's not a good player. He was the SEC freshman of the year. And then went on to have another great chapter to his career at oregon.
Great point
Facts. Teams need to draft leadership qualities, even if the kid has no traits and is 27 or older coming out of school.
They should also always trade their early picks to move down and take all their players in the 6th round because ... Tom Brady.
I’d be worried about Caleb Williams breaking a nail and going on IR.
Bo Nix is Broncos Fan Lottery Ticket .....Expecto Patronum:)
THANK U MARK…. everyone saying Nix is a reach/bad pick, let’s c next year at this time who’s the best of the 6….
Correct
Feels pretty good to hear stink and Manning say the same thing that I have for years which is that many of these quarterbacks that bust don't bust because they're not amazing prospects. They bust because they're getting drafted by the worst teams in the league who are bad roster wise bad organization wise typically if they're not performing well you're going to have inconsistency and coaching staff and scheme and all that does is set those poor guys up for failure. Bo fits
I think the last position to wear a Guardian Cap is WR, why? because they worry more about getting their legs taken out, and that thing can maybe affect their catching because the extra weight on their heads.
Plus they like to look clean.
Man stinks takes are way better then the main stream ones respect don’t take sides just spits facts
Thank you!
I think i just watched the Lakers play their second greatest playoff basketball series,losing in a 4-1 G-sweep for the Nuggets :).
I think you’re underestimating the Saints.
They also finished 9-8 last season, same as the Bucs, Carr started figuring things out and was arguably the best QB in the NFL over the last 6 weeks, his passer rating was 117 over that span.
That’s with not being able to run the ball all season.
So they brought in Klint Kubiak & your boy Rick Dennison as run game coordinator, so the run game should be fixed and they’ll probably scheme up more easy completions for Carr.
I did several Falcon and Saints game and there was just something missing from the Saints. I think they are talented .
I agree with Mark on EVERYTHING the one thing I would pushback on is Raheem Morris is a unique defensive coach and the staff Pennix Jr will have. Kyle had advocated for Mike to hire him for years. He ends up on the vaunted Washington Staff with Matt LeFleur, Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel and Kyle and Mike Shanahan. Mike has been on the record as saying he included him in meetings with those offensive guys. He wanted Raheem to learn offense to prep him for his second chance. Kyle the year of the Matt Ryan MVP year the SB year Raheem Morris was the receivers Coach he didn't return to the defense till 2019 I believe. They're running that scheme that you see those other guys from that staff run Zac Robinson is a smart guy he is a local product was at Chatfield went on to star and Oklahoma State. He has similar career Arc to Kevin O'Connell. Drafted by New England didn't have long career been a Coach with Sean McVay. So I'd say that's not the traditional hey he's only a defensive guy. But I think Bo Nix and Sean Payton is a perfect marriage. He has the physical tools to make all the throws the arm strength questions are moot he can fix his deep ball a little but he still can launch it when needed. He can do the things Russ didn't between the hashes the truly Sean Payton things on offense. Bo Nix offense will look more Sean Payton than Russell Wilson. Troy Franklin in that Robert Meecham type role, Mims in that Brandin Cooks type role. Cortland Sutton in that Colston and Mike Thomas type of role.
I love Raheem
Nah.
They teach physics at Idaho? Did Tom Cable take those classes?
Yes
I say let Nix start taking 1st team reps along with Franklin so he's ready to go week 1 , there is hope in Broncos Country!
Agree
QB class of 83 took their teams to10 Super Bowls. I don't see this class coming close to that.
Agreed
Don't be surprised if Zach Wilson beats out Nix as the starter in 2024, due to his cannon arm and NFL experience. Might not see Bo until 2025.
chicken PARM ... AHYEEEEEEEEKEE
I know I'm talking nonsense here, but maybe Murray and Jones recently getting contract extensions might have something to do with their teams not drafting quarterbacks in the first round.
I get that but I don’t believe either of those players are the answer
No. Anyone knew years ago that they'd have to keep changing the rules for either of those guys to reach the promised land. But if we want to know the "why," that's it.
With this class, the only quarterbacks I don't think have a shot at making it are the ones we know most about. That's likely not just a coincidence.
I know Nix was a punchline for a while at Auburn, but I also know he played in 61 games at big-time P5 schools while spending one less year in college than did Penix and his 47 games - 2 or 3 of which might have been considered "big."
Take care.
Doesn't the NFL have a potential looming problem: the need for a QB of quality if you want to actually win a title. I..e, over emphasizing offense since it's perceived as the only way to attract fans. Admittedly it seems to be working ... at the moment.
Mark is it true that offensive lineman get mote concussions than anyone else.
No sure
Mark Schlereth, Talking Physics proving once again the Offensive Linemen are the Smartest guys on the field. "The Kings of Cool." "The Sultans of Suave." Mark Schlereth in his day 287 lbs (Playing Weight) of Twisted Steel and Sex Appeal!!!!
You are correct
O'Neal is the other tackle for the Vikings. I'd take the Vikings Oline over the group we have here in Denver
That’s right. He’s good, lacks ideal power but he’s athletic
@@StinkinTruthPodcast I dig Bradberry n Cleveland too. I don't know the other guard
Really happy with Bo nix don’t want my qb in a dress and nails
Honest question: How much was nix's success at Oregon due to the fact he's a grown man playing against 19 year olds?
Experience matters without question
Mark is easy to listen to about football.
Thank you
Brady and Peyton Manning seemed to develop okay with a defensive minded head coach. I think Josh Allen has developed more than maybe any other Qb and his coach is a defensive head coach. Maybe it just isn't that simple.
Manning and Brady maybe the 2 greatest ever.
Brady and Manning weren't exactly project quarterbacks who needed NFL head coaches to develop them.
Lloyd Carr was a former quarterback and Manning obviously had a little mentoring before becoming a Colt. 😂
@@cobbler88 So one barely made the team and the threw 3 passes his rookie season and the other threw 28 INT's his rookie year (26 TDs). Looks like they needed a little developing.
@@StinkinTruthPodcast to that I would argue this defensive minded coach is so bad for Qb development that because of him the potentially 2 greatest Qbs to ever do it only became the potentially 2 greatest Qbs to ever do it.
@@bc7013 I disagree. They just needed reps in the system so they can get used to running it and to the nature of defense in the NFL. They're both smart guys, and Manning in particular had been learning how to play the position since he was in diapers. In my opinion, they were closer to finished products than you are willing to believe because it doesn't support your narrative. Time doesn't always equal development from the outside.
Take care.
Drake Maye is a sight thrower 100%. It was the biggest flaw in his game that I noticed when watching film.
I dont know about JJ because there arent enough throws on tape to figure it out. 😂😂😂😂
Sean Payton really wanted JJ McCarthy. Peyton Manning and Stink went so far to suggest so because he was the most pro ready QB. Bo Nix isn't a bad pickup, I think the Broncos will get the most out of him but he was the last of the 6 picked for a reason...
I had no clue who he wanted.
Based on what both Payton, and Paton said, I disagree. We got who we wanted.
@@tellitlikeitis1828 in the words of pee wee herman, 'i meant to do that'.
Being the last quarterback taken out of the first six doesn't mean a damn thing. Every team have qualities they want. Washington thinks JD can be the next Lamar jackson, the bears think CB is the next mahomes. It comes down to team fit not hope. That's why the drake maye to new England bothers me but I wish him the best. I hope they can let him develop.
CW will be a bust, Drake May will be an ok QB, JD will not be that good because of injury, JJ will be good, potential star, Bo Nix will be a star no doubt. he is very smart, can process. just sayin.
Mike is forgetting that both Murray and Jones got big contracts, and their teams can't afford to dump them
You say that after what Denver just did and it was a great decision.
Except Murray is actually a baller, Jones isn’t. This Evan’s dude is an idiot
Man you guy's really look tired on this podcast. Did you eventually figure who won the QB sweepstakes?
No clue I’m sick of the draft.
Listening to Stink talk football is a cleanser for all the other garbage “experts” out there pumping out horrible takes
Thank you
WHO won the QB sWEEPSTAKES? Atlanta, with PENIX! That being said, why did they sign Cousins. The second they drafted Penix, the Clock started on Cousins. If Cousins gets hurt this year, Cousins WILL never be the Falcon QB Ever again. Bo Nix will be good, Never forget
when Bo Nix looks in the mirror...He see's Penix.
Nix > MPJ. Hands down.
This pick surprised me… I think atl is a good team that really needed an edge rusher.
Penix will suffer a career-ending injury from an infected sliver he gets from holding a clipboard.
But at least he doesn't paint his nails and sob like a woman.
@@chuckwaggun7157he’s 0-3 against Penix 😬
Bo Nix was a terrible reach, and hearing Payton trying to rationalize it was hilarious. He failed working with a QB they already paid for, and draft a 2nd round QB at 12. LOL. Caleb Williams is going to be a bust, and Eberflus is a crappy coach, so there goes that. Redskins and Eagles had the best drafts.
Check back in 3 seasons
Dude, it's not that serious and you never know. I think the nfl coaches and staff have done more research on these players than you. They got drafted. Move on Sir.