Fifth Gear: Mitsubishi i Miev Road Trip
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- Throwback Thursday clip from series 17, Jonny and Tiff take a road trip in the electric car by Mitsubishi.
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Just remember everyone, this was filmed in 2010. Eight years ago. The car is utterly obsolete now.
Yeah and it's resale value is pretty much 0.
It was utterly obsolete then, the I-MIEV has been terrible since day one.
I have one of those, love it. You just have to match your expectations to its capabilities.
Not obsolete - these day you can fast charge it in 30 minutes and they are great city/commute cars. Cheap to buy and if you can charge at work free to run.
Steve, normally for some it's 20 minutes 0-80%, depending on temperature. They are admirably sturdy things and were obsolete by 2013. It was never upgraded and kept the 3.3kW charger, didn't change the battery, didn't improve efficiency. But they're still usable town cars, and with such a small battery there's an advantage to recharge quickly, it's very much a shopping vehicle. Shopping cart?..
But it's a shame it was never built much to be sold as much as possible in the first place. At least the battery is cooled.
I own an I-Miev and got it on the cheap. I love it, I only utilize it for around town travel mainly to and from work. Anything outside of that I drive my gasoline car. But having it now has changed me as a driver to drive efficiently and utilize every kwh of energy.
Paradoxically, I want one too! I already drive a 2008 Prius Tspirit Hybrid which is faultless and a stellar vehicle, but I’d like an i-Miev as a 2nd vehicle (instead of a motorcycle for example), for short trips - and exploring / enjoying the cheap electric car experience.
Getting to work and back is a 34 mile round trip around the A406. Surely, an i-Miev could handle that, even in winter, if charged at home every night 😊.
And to think that yesterday I drove about 900 miles in an electric car. In one day. Yeah, we've come a long way!!
Jeremy Schmidt how long did it take?
A stupidly long time! I know how, but how in the hell can you drive 900 miles in one day? You must've had to piss like 20 times (which you could just use an excuse to charge anyways).
Tesla. Superchargers. That's why Tesla has such an edge with their charging network. Drive 150-200 miles, then charge for ~half an hour and repeat. Just checked Google Maps and it shows that trip was actually only about 800 miles. It took me about 15 hours, with 6 charging stops, and I ate a meal during two of those.
Haha, I know. I literally mean in a biological or comfort sense, how do you drive for that long? I get uncomfortable every 100-150 miles driving.
toyotaprius79 You need a more comfortable seat! ;-) I'm usually very much ready to get out of the car by the time I arrive at a Supercharger, but by the time the car's charged I'm good to go again.
Shout out to the *Fully Charged* crew. Crazy to see how far it's all come so quickly.
Would love to see that redone with a Zoe for example
Lol pulled over because you were “driving suspicious”
I think the Geneva convention has something about protecting people from warrant less arrests, but then again, he was driving without his license, making a car tv show??
Show effects.
@@Tore_Lund in Uk we are not obliged to have a driving licence with us.Now it's even easier with all this technology police have in their cars.
its funny they say the headlights drained so much battery, it has a 16kwh battery and that can light up the headlights for 2 weeks straight
Just one of the many points of misinformation.
All this video shows is how far electric cars have come since it was filmed way back when.
Sad thing is, people don't understand it and think that only THIS is what electric cars are.
With fast charging, from a decent infrastructure, the i-Miev is a different animal. Interesting to see Jonny Smith in his pre-EVangelist days, sat across from his Fully Charged show mentor. Robert knew then. Jonny knows now, and Tiff is still learning. 👍
So much fun to see how far we’ve come in such a short period of time. And I guess this was what led to Jonny joining Fully Charged.
And interestingly as well, the i-Miev is now a very useful car if you can find one second hand. It has Chademo charging, battery cooling and a decent enough range for regular daily use. The car is the same but the infrastructure now makes it so much better.
This feels soooooo out of date in 2019.
Even more out of date in 2020!
And I’m watching this on 31st January 2021....😳🙄
It does have rapid charge!
6 hours to charge. Stuff that
Hasn't Johnny come a long way? In those days he drove a Honda hybrid.
Hi. I would like to ask whether anyone does not know where is located the horn and how to fix/change it in case it is not working.
Thank you.
It's all about planning or knowing you're route, I can do regular round trips of 150 miles, without any stress or issues, these cars can fast charge in 20/30 minutes, so it's a very flexible city car, than can do long journeys if needed. It's a city car above all, and the fact that it can handle longer trips is a real bonus.
Ahhhh, so this is where Fully Charged started
The i Miev is still good for short, local commutes. Mitsubishi should take another opportunity to go full EV but this time on Eclipse Cross and Outlander as they're currently PHEVs if you want to electrify on new Mitsis.
the imiev has rapid too dosent it?, but I guess back in 2010 there weren't many fast chargers....there was no tesla after all.....
Driving suspiciously? What did you do?
Driving silently and without a cloud of smoke... how offensive.
Didn't know that Newcastle moved the boundaries to include Dunston as part of the City.
Someone should really of went to geography at school me thinks.
The time when electric car batteries where very short and the overall design of the car screams "eco" or "electric"
Tesla only had the Roadster and the Nissan Leaf just came out
Well... it wasn't deliberately styled like that. They just converted a 2005 i-car body into electric. ... at the time.
Yep, toyotaprius has it right, this is a Japanese kei car with an electric motor.
was this the moment which started fully charged (robert & jonny)
Okay, the video is nice, but you have to exchange "electric car" with - "iMiev". This is 2018, the iMiev was constructed 2008 or earlier and got in the market in Europe at 2011. But for a such early EV it is still a good car for cities and daily use about more or less 40-50km. If you have such a user profile, you get a really cheap car (2nd ✋) with an increadible low of TCO.
I do less than 30km daily meaning the iMiev is still good for my daily (semi) local commutes. Mind you I do use the motorway.
Tiff, you legend you.
Johnny sitting with a ‘run LPG’ shirt on whilst interviewing the man with home he would review electric cars 8 years later :P
Why didn't they charge with Chademo?
2010 video.
So, when was this filmed?
I think this was part of a test fleet of vehicles in Europe around 2009
Erm.. the Metro Centre is in Gateshead, not Newcastle...
Old video ev s are a lot better now
They have a UA-cam channel fully charged now
When was this filmed ?
Max H. ten years ago
I still don't get why he was pulled over. Driving suspiciously? Is it because they were driving so slow trying to conserve power?
It was a set up too ridicule the idea of driving an electric car.
What they are trying to say is if you drive an electric car you will find yourself driving around industrial estates at night driving slowly to conserve the little power you have left until you find a place to charge the battery at a late hour.. then you will probably get pulled over by the police for “driving suspiciously” as if that’s a law under the road traffic act.. yeah right!
@@thechangingman3763 Not kidding. In the 90' I had an EV and besides the compulsory 30 ft extension cord and different adaptors, I also carried a set of crocodile clips with a socket. That came in handy on night at a local police station after hours where their florescent road sign had been cracked by a vehicle exposing the wiring.
Suspicious driving? Police state?
is it not got high speed dc charge?
It has. Twenty minutes to recharge.
Regen doesn't extend range, just limits the damage. Freewheel is far more effective when eaking out range.
Does charging the battery extend its range?
it does extend range, if you did not have it you had wasted the energy into the brakepad instead of the battery,
Looking back, I find it fascinating that Tiff Needell was more enthusiastic about EVs than Johnny Smith 🤯
I did bournemouth to hull in my 24kWh leaf last christmas took 7 stops but if you count in a 2-3 stops you would do in a petrol car it actually only took us about an hour longer and cost us less than half what it would in a petrol car.
In the new 2018 leaf you could easily do it with just 2 stops just like you do in a petrol car.
Adrian Chapmanlaw my car has 600 mile range on a single tank. I guess doing the distance I would probably stop for snacks etc but no extra fuel will be needed and I could probably return home on the same tank. With electric I guess you must plan the trip to make sure that charging points are available on route?
Mark Fogel and that will cost you 20p per mile in the process not 10p per mile worst case. Not to mention the far Lower emissions thanks to the greater efficiency of electric generation even if is coming from fossil fuel which an ever greater quality is coming from renewables.
Instead of stopping and queing at a petrol station you stop and charge whilst having lunch or a pee stop and a coffee.
I guess this could work for some... not for me I am afraid as I often drive to remote locations for surfing or mountain biking carrying surfboards and bikes on top of the car. I will need to have a 300 mile minimum otherwise I will be risking getting stranded in mid Wales or Cornwall. I don't buy into the green credentials as making the energy the car needs is a fairly dirty and inefficient process... not enough clean energy sources yet however I do like the fact that it does not pollute in the process. Nothing worse than sitting behind an old smokey diesel in traffic. Driving electric cures that problem however unfortunately moves the pollution somewhere else. Cost is always an interesting factor also....if only it had the ability to carry big non-aerodynamic stuff for longer distances + being fully loaded. Hopefully the battery tech will improve soon enough.
Mark Fogel actually a lot of the energy we use is coming from renewables, a lot more comes from gas which is much cleaner and more efficient than petrol or diesel. The rapid charges in service stations are mostly solar and wind backed. Also charging at night actually helps stabilise the grid.
As more places for destination chargers it will become a lot easier.
I agree it's not for everybody right now tho.
"not enough clean energy sources yet"
UK runs without coal power for three days in a row
www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/24/uk-power-generation-coal-free-gas-renewables-nuclear
1:11 tiff going for a quick downchange - oops no gearbox!
But the car has DC fast charging ??
They have a 100% right. But BMW i3 with range extender solving a problem.
Jacek Gromek sadly i3 rex has problems but so far is, the best phev.
This thing is based on a Keicar.
I thought that when you mash the brakes it changes 😐😐
So this is how Fully Charged started.
The video is about 8 years old, and most of the comments seem to have been made at that time too.
Jóhann G. Ólafsson still relevant for most nations on earth. Norway has exceptional charge station infrastructure and few motorists cf UK.
Robert meets Jonny ! #fullychargedshow
You need to find some rapid charging stations.
I doubt that there were any 8 years ago when this episode was filmed
Found out that Mitsubishi is having another go with new EK X EV with Nissan's help with a rebadged Nissan Sakura.
NO NO NO, braking does not extend the range!!! It just doesn't waste energy!!!! The range is still limited to 100 miles!
That’s like saying recharging the battery doesn’t extend the range it just doesn’t waste energy.. of course recharging extends the range, the range of the vehicle that is.
The Changing man you clearly dont understand the principle of energy conservation. There is no outside energy. The maximum range is still 100 miles. It would only allow you not too waste energy and have a range closer to 100 miles even if you brake!
Hugo Nabais no I understand the first law of thermodynamics perfectly, do you understand that an electric car is not a closed system.
When you are free wheeling down a hill you are being assisted by gravity are you not? And when you brake to slow your decent from that hill you acquire energy you did not feed into the system.
Regenerative braking transforms that energy and stores it in the battery, essentially it’s a free charge.. all be it a small one and you would have to roll down a big hill to make a significant difference in most EVs granted but it does extend the range of your car.
@@hugopnabais Actually coasting from 30 MPH conserves energy better than recharging with your motor. Use it only at high speed and begin coasting when your speed is low enough, for the fewest Ah wasted.
but to get up to speed you use some that 100miles range and gain it back when brake... and in total from last charge you extend range..
Police just wanted to be on the TV
Some how I think Johnny would not take part in such, unintentional misrepresentation these days.
At 3:52 Why is there a piece of stick tape covering k in km/h?
UK use mph. So when the car was at 70, they were actually traveling at 130km/h
Kévin Lind I knew I'm British.But that would seem weird not for a manufacturer to not change.
TheProGamer 75 This is just a test car part of an experimentation from Mitsubishi where they lended I-Miev to people for 1 year to measure there usage of the car. The test car is easily recognizable with it's proprietary charging port and no support for dc quick charging. I-Miev bought on the market where slightly different and better tuned
TheProGamer 75 test car from Japan where they use the metric system. But I do agree it would have been a quick software update to remove that "k"
The Mitsubishi is a 10 year old car electric cars in 2021 have better technology and range and they charge quicker.
no chademo ?
The first CHAdeMO station didn't open in the UK until 2012. This was filmed in 2009!
Nowadays that journey would take 6 hours instead 2 days in a electric car including charge time.
you can cut 5.5 out of the 6 hours out of eery charge session they did, since there are fast chargers now, which the i-miev will happily accept, so even with this limitied car it would be waaaaaay faster.
75% of what you pump in is wasted so 1 gallon of diesel in my Volkswagen Bora TDI will do 60 miles on a run I don’t call that a waste at all
As they said "electric cars aren't a complete solution" until Tesla came around and completely changed the game. I still don't know how they done it.
look again > 03:15 < that's not 3 bars, it's 2 ...
omg that's sound old,
Energy sapping lights, huh? Dont buy it, simple physics says it shouldnt be noticable at anything more than walking speed. More than likely, it was something else, such as the heater, pulling juice.
Watchig this nowadays is something 😆 You did not help, for sure...
For local run it perfect but for long run it rubbish
Utterly ridiculous, who wants to spend upwards of 30k on a car that is only
Ideal for running errands but never road trips?
They do have super chargers, but significantly reduces the life of an insanely expensive battery. So the cons still out weigh the benefits of owning an electric car right now. Another problem is the resale of these cars as well. you may be able to get a Nissan Leaf used at reasonable rate, but the batteries will never go down in price. Last I checked they were rough 5 to 7k for new battery and that is subject to climb higher do to supply.
The only logical way I can see is some sort of universal battery pack for cars according to class size that could be swapped out for another pack at a station so driver could be off in roughly the same time as a petrol car would need to fill up its tank. An added bonus to that would be never having to buy another pricey battery pack again.
If the battery is cooled, you can safely charge it at 2C. That gives a charging time of 30 minutes. Advanced battery chemistry of today allows for as much as 3C in some cases without degrading the battery. That's 20 minutes of charging.
Tesla three years later: bitch, what?
There needs to be battery changing stations, NOT battery charging stations. Today's chargers can do it in 30 minutes, but nobody has 30 mintues to spare for charging. Changing to an already charged battery on spot would have been better.
It takes a good 3 hours to deplete a modern electric car battery. A half hour meal or drink while it’s charging wouldn’t be a hassle.
Aside from the fact that range keeps going up and charging times coming down, the difficulty with battery swapping is the mechanical coordination - modern battery packs are *seriously* heavy, and would require precision factory-grade equipment to swap (plus a system for accurately aligning the car first) - and all this would (probably) be obsolete in 5-10 years, by which time you will probably get a 200-mile charge in 10 minutes (or less)
Not to mention the fact that many batteries (like my Bolt EV’s) use coolant to regulate battery temperature. A battery swap for a liquid-cooled EV battery would need to figure out how to handle those connectors without leaking.
Renault actually tried to develop this concept, the Renault Twizy was the concept car designed to have a battery that could be swapped out in minutes by a robot.
This was the reason Renault devised a battery leasing strategy as it would have made sense if you swapped batteries on a journey at a charging station to not own the battery.
The concept was never fully realised and it was decided that the idea was short sighted and would quickly become redundant as battery and charging technology improved.
How about 18 minutes, as with a modern 800V car, like the Kia EV6?
They took an 100miles car to 500miles trip!
What's the problem with a car???
It only gets a hundred miles.
This is 11 years old. It should be removed because it is so out of date. Fast charging will give a 80% charge in less than 20 minutes, and chargers are now available at every petrol station and services.
Yeah I think i'll stick with my diesel, 100 miles and a 6 hour charge wait vs 1,000 miles and a 1 minute refill, no brainer. Be good when battery tech catches up though.
This was filmed 10 years ago.
And they were slow-charging because there wasn't as much infrastructure as nowadays.
No need for diesel any more unless you really do lots of long commutes and I mean doing it everyday! Any EVs are more than enough for short commutes including the Mitsi iMiev. My daily commute is less than 30km (including short motorway trips) meaning I don't need to charge my MG ZS EV for a week! I should be able to charge the iMiev every 2 nights or so.
2:04 Six hours for full charge? No thanks, give me range extender EV or hydrogen fuel cell instead. Battery has never been the answer most EV people believe.
😂😂😂
Get a Toyota Yaris hybrid
3:53 "Over 50 mph"
It's km/h Johnny. X-D
*sigh*
Mph can also be written m/h.
God help you.
SMGJohn, did you notice tape on the gauges before "m/h"?
lavix5 Thanks for clearing that problem. This is a JDM-spec car, not a Euro-spec car. So it's officially an import.
lavix5 when did he do it?
Scrap heap Guy likes EVs God damm
The problem is that they are using one of the WORST electric cars on the market. most modern electrics can get 80-85% charge in 1-2 hours.
As others have said, this was recorded ~8 years ago... (although that *really* should have been part of the video intro)
Toby Jackson
I think Mitsubishi stopped production of the i-MiEV a year or two ago, but I'm having trouble finding evidence of that
You're probably right, either that or it might have been recent enough that your local Peugeot dealers haven't run out of stock.
I'm in Australia, so we haven't seen a new iMiEV since 2013 and I've only seen two on the road that weren't my own.
That's a lot cheaper than in Australia. I bought my 2011 model almost two years ago for AU$17 000 (a bit under £10 000) and I can see a 2012 model available now for AU$14 700.
i-miev, peugeot ion and citroen c-zero all had fast dc 0-80% in 20 minutes back when this was recorded - why wasn't it used in video, perhaps shoddy UK electric grid had no DC fastcharging ChaDeMo - that this car had back then :D
So, clean Air in the Cities, pollution everywhere else....?🤔
Hypocritical.. On one channel he's all electric.. On the other.. He's all petrol ⛽ with slight empathy towards electric.
Really.. I watch both channels.
Murad Sheshani This episode is 8 years old. Fully charged was not even a youtube channel then and Robert Llewellyn did not work with Johnny.
Get back the horse and carts
first
This thing isn't fun to drive in the winter.
*AT ALL.*
It is rear wheel driven, of course it's fun in the winter!
I don't think E-Cars are at a point where it makes sense for the average person, the prices are kinda insane and in many cases your electricity comes from a nuklear powerplant or coal etc.
Add to that the enormous energy cost to produce them and the hazardous waste caused during production and after they're disposed and they're really not too different from a "sensible" car driven for over 20 years.
This is a favourite point of mine, too. Until the manufacturing process for cars, including mineral extraction, becomes green, a switch to electric brings little or no overall benefit to the planet. Electric does make for cleaner city air at levels up to a few feet above ground, but that's about it. Meanwhile, ICE efficiency continues to rise, to the extent that a one-litre touring car engine can now pump out over 125 bhp at over 50 mpg. A 1960s one-litre Mini delivered 50 bhp and 35 mpg. I have a strong feeling that government moves to ban ICE and go electric will produce unintended bad consequences unless our dirty manufacturing process is addressed.
Or maybe someone doesn't get it or is in denial? Hey, Johnny here actually reviews electric cars ow on UA-cam, you should try checking him out. All the questions you gave have been bunk or met with over time.
In all seriousness you three ^^^. There is nothing like that happening (in such proportion anyways). Who are you listening these things from?
Manufacturing of an EV (batteries and mining and all), is only worth 1 - 2 tonnes of CO2 to the total EV's amount. That 1 tonne can be done with 3 months of driving, in 6 months an EV would have produced the same amount of emissions as a 'typical' family diesel, and the difference widens. EV's in real world conditions will produce less 50% less CO2 in its lifetime while assuming electricity grids don't increase their renewable mix and decrease coal production. The latter is happening everywhere assuredly.
EVs still have over twice the efficiency of current cars, and their rate of improvement (of efficiency, material use, range, power, cost) in the last 8 years is way higher. It has developed more or less like smartphones now. It's not exactly our like current diesels are making it easy to live where we live.
Just watch fullycharged if you really want the full picture. Smith here is in it.
Oh sure, I would totally trust a UA-camr that already has E-Vehicles in his name, just like I'd watch a Apple vs. Windows/Android video from people like "ILOVEAPPLE" etc.
I do work in the Automobile industry (don't ask about specifics, I got dozens of NDAs...), and I can tell you one thing:
Electric Cars do not have any noble intentions behind them nor would they fulfill them.
The statistics are quite biased in favor of the E-Cars, but generally if you assume a lifetime of 90k miles for both, the savings in Co² with the mix in the USA are very marginal and the waste left by E-Cars isn't factored in.
Also, the price/value simply doesn't exist.
People that want a VW UP won't consider a E-UP starting at about 2,5 times the price.
People that want a sportscar won't consider the i8.
People that want a well constructed/build car won't consider a Tesla.
If you have the money, don't really care and just want to feel like you're saving the world... sure, go for it. I kinda see them like Apple products, which people just seem to buy to be part of a group or whatever.
Hhahaha, lol. If you're gonna let that of all things stop you, sure go ahead! Is it my loss?
Sorry man, but you make no sense at all. I can t. Claiming yourself to be "in the Automobile industry", who are you foolin? I can show you that I borrow my sources from the Union of Concerned Scientists, who update their study on the matter every few years, but you wouldn't care really now, would ye?
EVs are fully recyclable (1/20th of the battery that's gone bad can be broken up wile the other 19 modules in good pack are often re-purposed for battery storage. And it is most of them as manufacturers do collect them before being crushed and scrapped. Everything else you wrote was cherry picked whattaboutery, man. Like bringing up the e-Up! which VW has long stopped serious production. And then there's this stuff about Apple, I haven't a clue or interest about Apple, never did.
thank goodness the current crop of cars almost eradicate this problem.
Ying-Hui The sadly they don't unless you have Norwegian infrastructure
Jaguar iPace.
100 miles range? 38000 pounds? And it looks like an ice cream fridge..
Mitsubishi... Get your shit together!
Frangulea Robert
Mitsubishi no longer sells this car. As far as I know, the only electrified car Mistubishi sells these days is the Outlander PHEV (Plugin Hybrid Electric Vehicle)
Just goes to show you how preconcieved and shallow minded journalists are - especially car related journalists.
Shame on you Johnny!
Yes r
Elson musk this is the future
You mean Elsa from Frozen? :D
A diesel engine is around 45% efficient and a modern petrol is not far behind reaching just short of that. Just wanted to correct that false fact that 75% of the energy is wasted, its less than that and it does make a difference.
You will need to provide some proof of real engines that do this, because no one has actually produced anything like that.
Mateo Proaño 1191cc TDI 50% efficient since 1999
MsSomeonenew well if you did some research you would see that the new Skyactive-X engine from Mazda can reach up to 56% efficiency and as Like W said that diesel engine is 50% efficient you would know better. This engines have been produced already. Don't expect me to do the research for you, get off your ass and use Google.
Luke W thanks for the info but yeah most diesel engines reach around 45% efficiency
Mateo Proaño container ships now over 60%
Should've did it with a tesla
Matt Patt tesla only had one car back then
Yeah and Jeremy shown that it was utter crap.
The Shadow Man That review was staged to ridicule the idea of electric cars then. Apparently the brakes broke and the battery overheated but tesla said the data recording that they had on the vehicle showed no evidence of the issues jeremy clarkson reported.
Tesla was full of shit, and lost twice in court.
The Shadow Man no. The case was dropped by both parties on agreement to not slander each other. Top gear lied.
Worst value for any vehicle, for the money.
And electric cars are still shit 13 years latee
Baffled why you 2 thought it would be a good idea to try to drive 300 miles in a car with only 70 miles of range... or is maths not really you strong point? Just another wet attempt at copying Top Gear’s pathetic misrepresentation of Tesla’s Roadster. Doubly pathetic...
Tigg looks at the guy and thinking "Poof! Energy efficient! What a fool!" Electric car owners please know that Disposing batteries is the worst thing to environment. the best thing is to use public transportation or just enjoy petrol cars!
Electric cars are still cleaner over their lifetime than a comparable internal combustion engine car.
Try googling - battery recycling already exists for EVs.
Only caveats about that right now is the cost of doing it, because they haven't had that many EV batteries come in, since an EV battery often finds another "life" doing something like home power storage or aids in grid stabilization.
But once plenty of those batteries truly reach end of life, it's already possible to extract about 85-95 percent of the materials used in EV batteries to go into new batteries. In short, it's already somewhat circular in terms of keeping the polluting footprint of EV batteries down.
Really crappy car
This is why hybrids are better. More power, more useful, more fun. *straps electric engines to a V8*
Mind you, this was filmed 10 years ago, electric cars have made leaps since then.
@@evolt7553 They have, but even living on the cusp of 400 mile range EVs that do 0-60 in under 3 seconds, i still maintain my position.
More power, more useful, more fun. Maybe i'll change my mind in 20 years when we have electric pickups everywhere and multiple fast charging stations at every gas station and car park, that any make and model can use.
Shame automakers basically gave up on hybrids. Any ICE vehicle is made better by adding electric motors and a battery pack. Be it a city car or supercar, pickup or big rig.
@@dragonbutt Have you driven an electric car? Or have you tried borrowing one for a week?
@@evolt7553 I've driven both a Tesla model S and one of those fiat 500e things. The Tesla felt heavy and kind of unwieldy, and the fiat... well it was slow :P
Im not saying they are bad cars. I just highly prefer, and reccomend, hybrids. You get greater range, lower weight, and more car handling and response.
Tesla might have an astounding 0-60 time, but it handles like over-assisted, overweight junk. Undesireable in a sedan. Now, an electric pickup where thats to be expected, it wouldnt feel so out of place.
Maybe when they develop some batteries that dont make up a third of the weight of the car, or actually prioritize a sporty feel beyond sheer straight line speed i'll like them more.
@@dragonbutt A Tesla Model 3 might do that.
By the way, there's also Tesla's Battery investor day coming on September 22nd.
Apparently this is the future. God help us all.
Zero Ninety It was 8 years ago, therefore the past, equivalent vehicle now , Volt/leaf can do 250 Miles + and charging takes a couple of hours.
Oh wow 250 miles ( on a very good day ) and waiting hours for it to recharge, no thanks petrol it is.
+The Shadow Man. Fair enough. Every year they get less shit though. Tipping point is not so far off...
This is the future... if you can't work out the calender.
The Shadow Man
Not waiting hours; waiting half an hour. Fast charge standards are frequently improving, with the general goal being to fill a large car battery to at least 80% in under half an hour. The next model of CCS quick charge can do current batteries around 15 minutes.
4:43 he is talking as if the electricity that he used to charge his electric car are made out of MAGIC.
Does he know the power source of his electricity? It could very well be from a coal plant, which is even worse than burning gasoline.
No, even if it was 100% from a coal plant (which it wouldn't be, and certainly wouldn't be today), that would still be an improvement over a gasoline vehicle.
source?
That's easy. They use coal power to refine petrol, also. Nearly as much per litre as you can simply put into an electric car to drive on the same distance.
And if, like many who buy these cars, you have solar, or - wonder of wonders - operate on a grid like in the UK where they've operated for multiple days already this year with ZERO coal power, then your argument is null and void.
Are electric cars really green? An investigation of Bjorn Lomborg's claims. (by potholer54/Peter Hadfield):
ua-cam.com/video/hwMPFDqyfrA/v-deo.html
You're right, these EVs will never catch on.
You must be some kind of masochist if you are willing to spend almost 40K on a car that is ugly as a backside of a baboon and continuously at risk to run out of charge and it takes half a day to recharge.
This car now costs under 5k. And 5k for a commuter car that doesn't burn a drop of expensive gasoline is really not bad. Of course if you have a petrol car waiting in the garage for any longer trip.
PS. Half a day, or as we, EV drivers call it... the night. It's really a non-issue, you come home in the evening with a low battery, plug in, go to sleep, wake up, unplug, and enjoy a full battery. It's great.