Sheed & Bonzi Say It's TOUGH To Consider James Harden A WINNER!
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- Sheed and Bonzi discuss why it's tough to consider James Harden a winner, after Harden went on a podcast and said that's how he wants to be remembered for his time in the NBA. Harden has not won a championship but was one of the most dynamic scorers of his generation...though the lack of postseason hardware will likely keep him off all-time great lists.
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Kobe said it best about hardens playing style "Great but u wont win championships playing like that"
Crazy cuz Luka play just like Harden
@@bohammondlee7472no he doesn’t they both foul bait, but Luka has a higher IQ of the game.
@@bohammondlee7472no he doesn’t… because he has a step back? Goofy take.
lol tell me what Kobe said right after this.
@@user-cr5ts5fl6t his whole game is like Harden hold the ball 20 seconds run in the paint throw the alley
I will remember James harden as a playoff choke artist 🧑🎨 😂
15th in all-time playoffs scoring.
Houston Harden that fear the Beard era was honestly unforgettable and fun to watch
i remember james harden 4 his infamous no defense plays - and 4 never winning, and his beard.
cool, i remember him for getting to the finals in 2012 as a fresh player, and then afterwards becoming one of the greatest scorers of all time
Harden is best remembered from going 3-3 versus the KD-Warriors, and then shooting 2/13 from three in game 7 and losing.
what do you want people to remember you for? A fart in the wind at best.
Harden is the opposite of a winner. He's a quitter in the playoffs.
Teams didn't win and he individually played no defense, was selfish and killed his coaches. Not a winner in any sense.
Would hate to have a dude like that on my team
He’s the definition of a player putting up empty calories.
@@EGarrett01Made a lot of deep playoff runs. What you mean he didn’t win? Oh rings? 🤡
@@EGarrett01thank u sir he's garbage. he's garbage if he wins 3 and they salute him, a ball hog and they wanna teach their kids to be ball hogs. they're making the league even worse
I’ll always remember him as an incredible scoring machine and a smart facilitator when he wanted to be, but I also will remember him as someone who did not play very well in big spots.
And for some reason, I always think about strip bars when his name comes up.
He has never missed the playoffs and was going up against a dominant Warriors team who everyone lost too
@@deelewis8061 what do you want me to say? I said he was an incredible scoring machine and had great point guard skills.
I think in time, memories will grow fonder of James Harden once he’s retired. For the here and now, it’s hard to forget that when the lights have shined the brightest, he plays lousy. That’s just reality.
I feel like James style never transformed well to the playoffs. He used to score so easily and effortlessly and getting fouled and the playoffs is more about gettin that tough bucket, scoring the big shot, and all that. The only big shot I can remember he scored was the step back over Kawhi in his OKC days and even that was super tough and low percentage shot.
Look at the way Luka scored that 3 over Rudy. That’s pure composure and balance, knowing ima get to my spot and score I don’t care if it’s a regular game or game 7 of the finals. I feel like Harden a lot of times missed that unfortunately.
Great point and comparison to Luka. Harden just vanished in many post seasons in the past.
Personally I remember the step back from Paul Pierce "The Truth"
He has choked in every playoff game he’s ever played. I have respected both you guys your entire career
Bruh what? That's patently false.
James is literally none of the things he described at the beginning of the segment
Harden has never missed the playoffs since he has been in the league.
True
applying the same standard on many of haters here, you mfs are literally trash in whatever you do with your life. facts.
Casual
James harden meant to say wiener not winner.
Pause
All Harden did was make beards popular
If someone did a move B4 you, it's not your move.. as a matter of fact they're are a few guys with that move 🤫
James Harden is not a winner. He's a great regular season player, a great regular season scorer and that's about it. The nba had to pick some players from the current era for the top 75 for marketing purposes but James Harden ( just like Damien Lillard or Carmelo Anthony...) didn't really deserve to be in the top 75. Now those guys have the advantage to play in the softest era ever...that help the longevity numbers...
Lmao if harden had won the chip in 2018 everyone would be calling him a top 20 player ever
Bro has won the MVP, a scoring title, all NBA etc.
He’s a winner at life bro that’s all that matters he’s made generational wealth and a all time bucket
The question was strictly basketball I think
@@timmartin2417 made the money from.. basketball.
@@DHILLA-yz4rx i get he made the money from basketball lol.. I believe their only talking on the court
@@timmartin2417 I feel you g but its impressive he started off as a bench player before becoming mvp.
@@timmartin2417 so on basketball he's not a winner? Interesting. I wonder how you would rate your own career whatever your job is lol.
When I think of all-time great shooting guards, George Gervin always comes up before James Harden for me.....
Never liked Harden but he had a positive impact on maxey, can't take that from him
Embiied kept getting hurt on the sixers and he choked game 7 too
Bag of honey buns is wild lmfao
He did not change the game, stop that cappin.
He did with the flopping and foul baiting. He proved you can get 35pts a game doing so
@@Jjohnny642 then why you mkers still sitting before a keyboard lmao
No Cap, Rasheed Wallace is should have Harden's top 75 spot!!! He benefited from the change in reffing. They weren't calling his side step travels or his self initiated offensive fouls. Once the league cracked down on players running into defenders, he faded! And him and Westbrook took advantage of the new assist rules! Anytime you pass the ball to a person and they score, its counted as an assist. Back in the day after the pass receiver dribbled and took a certain amount of steps, it wasn't an assist anymore. Sheed should be a HOF'r. Penny, TMac and G. HILL got in!!
Trying figure out how you say put the money to the side but that be the main reason you force ya way out of every team
Thank you sheed that's what wrong with everyone will sell their soul for fortune and fame
Incredible scoring talent, great handles. That’s it.
Great handles and an incredible ability to manipulate the refs. Made foul-baiting, flopping, and traveling the norm in the NBA for years. Great shooter thi
@@gfys9724 Led the most drives in NBA for years. If you can't guard him don't foul.
Check his playoff stats!
The rockets failed getting the pieces around him. He fuqd up in tight moments but he definitely didnt have the constant help that Curry had and got his whole time in GS
I rate this channel and the people talking u actually keep it real im a harden fan and u actually give him his props and critique for his bad stuff where other channels just trash him like he is a bum
RahWEED Wallace gon be remembered for having 59 technical fouls in a season
Sheed face @ 0:38 says all you need to know about Harden saying he wanna be remembered as a winner 😭😭😭😭
Me n my friends had a debate. - drexler. Mitch Richmond or harden. I said gimme Richmond 🐶 harden prolly the most versatile but in big games he shrink. Drexler a 🐶 but couldn't go left. Richmond was the total package n my opinion 🏀💯
Neither one of those guys could guard The Glide... Mitch was definitely a problem tho. Would have fit in with this generation perfectly
@@gfys9724 Clyde couldn't guard Mitch either lol
@@Kplattjr1 woulda took his ahh to the block lol. What was Richmond nickname?
@@gfys9724 Da rock. Was dat dude. Especially the run tmc days sheeesh
I remember James Harden for traveling & being a free throw merchant by manipulating the rules.
Regular Season Great,but playoffs pkay!His Conditioning (Harden)and defense needs more to be desired!Hell of a one on one player!Wells was correct:Night life will hirt your body!Still Future Hall of Famer!Rockwt days was great,just subpar playoffs and defense ¡❤
James Harden needs to learn how to play defense !!😖🤡
James Haren.
rockets basically had the durant led warrriors beat, but super bad lucky injuries, they had title if not for that
James be 😂😂😂😂 he trollin himself
disagree hardn could still avh 30 but chnaged his game to benefit other players because he such a well rounded offensive player
James Harden is missing a Step to his Step Back.That is what is holding him back. He needs to add a step
Imagine being on his team and watching him kill your offensive flow and rhythm, while he plays no defense.
Couldn't be his teammate.
Selfish.
Harden is in the conversation of being the best offensive player in history. How do you describe players, who aren't in the conversation?
Harden should be considered one of the greatest scorers ever in the game. Harden can also be a malignant tumor for team chemistry. Bonzi is correct being on the Clippers is his best possible situation in years, but we'll see if he stays. Ballmer has shown an inclination to pay a bunch of money.
Great scorers can score under pressure. Harden can't.
James Harden is more sad than a death announcement
Regular season winner and choke artist in the playoffs
If Fool don't say anything other than "team cancer" He is delusional lmao
I can name 75 players id rather have than harden
You're a Harden fan, then.
I'll give him the teacher description. idk about a winner per say need a ring
Harden has never played no D to consider himself a winner. The easiest way to be a Winn is to play defense.
He played D in OKC
I can’t call someone w 300 mil a loser
Gilbert Arenas the only one who broke it down the right way everyone else smh
Harden did not change the game he was a scorer that’s it. Shaq changed the game he made an entire generation of centers become power forwards that’s changing the game Steph Curry made the entire league shoot mostly 3s when they can’t shoot like him. Kids trying to mimic his moves that don’t work when it matters most is not changing the game
Born & Raised in Htown... I seen it all, he ain't no winner. All he will be remembered for down here is that fuckn' fat suit. A homie had a bday party at his restaurant, I didn't spend 1 red dime in that mofo'n place
Ctfu the honey buns was to represent slang for $100,000 that’s how much he gave him
James is a winner like bill Russell, MJ, kobe, Duncan and magic? That what yall telling me?
Harden had some helluva teammates
Made traveling legal
LeBron: Hold my fcking beer.
Harden smoked some boat
Maybe his definition of winner is different
Champion is a team accomplishment.. he’s been in the playoffs every year so he’s been winning
@@stuntmandaniels3323 when the lights was the brightest he didn’t win shit and he never really sacrificed or committed to what was important to win
He's a winner for sure. He's just not gonna be remembered like the legendary winners.
He's going to be remembered as a choker.
He use to run out of gas come game 7
Yall acting like you cant be great without a chip what we really doing fr
This won’t be a debate on First Take or Undisputed. But, if it was Lebron answering this question, it would be BREAKING NEWS.
How can you be considered top 75 but haven't done anything...
Done anything? He won MVP, 6th man of the year, three straight scoring titles, two assist titles, 6 x all-NBA first team, 10 x all-star.
What have you done?
@@penkima4923 0 championships
@@penkima4923 more then you peanut head 🗣️
Comparing to these two guys James is definitely a big winner. MVP&HoF vs nobody
See this the problems mid players like Bonzi who never won anything championship or individual talking about someone like James Harden is crazy
Attacking the individual and not he take is lame. Media full of guys who didn't play past Highschool...
Wut !!!! He’s gonna Be remembered as a CHOKE artist !! Alwayz Alwayz disappearing in tha Biggest Games !! No Defense Playing A** !!!!!!! But He got and still Payyyyyyy for doing it !!!!!
Man y'all tripping like my blood cusso he gave 150 k the bag was 50k lol
He sold cheap ass wine , team hopped and destroyed every team, stat padder.
Its pretty simple hes not a winner. There u go
None of yall mfs in JH stratosphere. He led a team which none of yall mfs did no cap. He came back from 3-1 in a playoff series before against the clippers
JH is one of the worst chokers in NBA history, so Sheed was for sure roughly as good a player.
@@penkima4923 sheed was nowhere near the player harden was. Sheed was never asked to carry a team anywhere. Ask yoself what was houston doing before jh got there?
@@JizzleDaMan JH carrying a team somewhere doesn't really do that much, if you need to bench him every elimination game.
@@penkima4923 he a league mvp, and he had to face the warriors. Dont be such a casual runnin with popular narratives. He not a champion but he most def a winner
@@JizzleDaMan Harden has choked versus all other teams aside of the Warriors. It's common knowledge that he's a choker, as it should be common knowledge. He's a notorious choker. He's not a winner. He was a good regular season player, but he's not a winner.
James Harden should have been toe to toe with Steph curry because his offense game was the truth. However his post season was mostly forgettable. His euro step and using that beard to get to the free throw line
You should not have mentioned Steph in the same sentence with Harden.
@@penkima4923 look turkey. Harden put himself there with his players mvp and stop acting new curry was his competition in his mind.
@@mrmaxxx94 Harden is a choker, much like your mom.
Genuinely curious, when did this bs start with calling a championship a “chip” short hand/slang has always been “ship” until the last half a decade. First remember seeing it when the Raps were in the finals and Drake got on with the chip and dip shit. So like when did we start that? Cuz chip literally doesn’t make an ounce of sense lol
A championship starts with a c, and ends with hip, so it does make some sense. Not saying it should be chip or ship.
I hate that Jrue Holiday's name is pronounced Drew.
@@penkima4923how else would it be pronounced
@@Psychonaut165 Jrue? Well, Jrue. With a J, like everyone else named Jrue.
@@penkima4923 but the pronunciation makes sense. I think you hate the spelling.
@@Psychonaut165 I don't think you know what meanings do pronunciation and spelling have. Pronunciation is how you vocally say words. Spelling can mean the same thing, but it also can mean dividing words into syllables.
It doesn't make sense Jrue Holiday's name isn't pronounced the same way as all other Jrues, although it is spelled the same way.
Prime Cat > Him 🤷🏿
James Frauden taught new generation how to flop and travel good job teacher.
These players dont keep it a stack at all... they all pat each other on the back its a joke. He aint change no game he had a koo lil couple REGULAR SEASONS and then choked his career away. NEXT.
Every casual knows Harden changed the game in a multitude of ways. What does that make you?
@penkima4923 a real hooper not a casual fan that's let's others tell me the game I know the game by myself already. And he didn't change shit. What he gave everybody a few illegal ass moves? Kool shamgod gave us that tOO, so did AI etc. Thats not changin the game.. what else? He showed everyone how to ignore defense? How to disappear in the playoffs? How to cry his way out of situations he asked to be in?
Really sick of this phrase, “changed the game.” It doesn’t really mean anything. You dribble, pass, shoot, rebound and defend to win. It ain’t rocket science. Harden made a BS traveling move popular (that lame-ass ‘step-back’ BS) and showed how to be super-cheap with ugly ref-baiting moves that used to be offensive fouls to get a bunch of cheap free throw attempts.
“Changed the game.”
Funny.
“Did a bunch of stuff that was cheap, boring and aesthetically lacking” is more like it.
Never enjoyed watching him play.
Oh, he also had horrific turnovers, horrific defense, and probably the worst intangibles of any MVP winner in history.
There’s that too.
While your rant include some facts, it's also cherry-picking.
Before the travelling and flopping era, Harden used to be very enjoyable to watch as a scorer and playmaker.
And after his best scoring days, he's been fascinating to watch as "the system". An effective playmaker for two franchises now.
@@penkima4923 “the system?” What “system” is this? The “system” where you behave like a prima donna, embarrass yourself in press conferences with comments like, “I’m not a system player. I am the system,” jump from team to team, put up empty-calorie stats in the regular season, play no defense, and then disappear in the playoffs?
Is that the “system” you refer to?
He is a winner. He has made over 300 million dollars in his career.
Remind me what the money has to do with it again??🤔
@rollahower3477 , Because he's a professional athlete, and you're paid based on your individual success and accomplishments
This boy is dilutional,he is the ultimate quitter and playoff choker!! He only won in contract negotiations.
As a Houston fan. Harden is a loser to me . I’ll only remember the great regular seasons. Choke artist in the playoffs. To the point it looks like he throws games.
I really dont think hes a Top 75 player, his postseasons were so meh
The top 75 is for regular season
@@shawncain882 No, it's not. Dunce.
JH is delusional...😄
James harden don't show up in the playoffs just like CP3.
Harden chokes. CP3 gets injured. Why would you say those are the same?
Harden has had all the help he ever needed and didn't get it done harden is a scorer and that's it
it’s not tough
he chose to be selfish over leading his team and making sacrifices and disappearing when it mattered the most
Harden is an All Time Great if snake KD doesn’t join the Warriors 🤮
James Harden always gave off fruity 🌈vibes
😂😂