Sheed & Bonzi CALL OUT JJ Redick For Saying MJ's Era Was Watered Down!
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- Опубліковано 30 кві 2024
- Sheed and Bonzi say it's cap that MJ's era was easier to play in than this era because of expansion teams. Despite many expansion teams playing, the players who were drafted were still skilled and in the league before they played for the expansion squads.
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Imagine calling that era watered down, while Giannis brother gets a charity spot and now ones on the way for Bronny. Give me a fucking break
Thannasis would run through Todd Mcallouch, Chris Dudley, George Lynch, Stacy King and the rest of the bums at the end of rosters during that time.
@mattc5647 LMAO no he wouldn't
@@mattc5647mf can’t even drop step without traveling 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 stop it man
@@mattc5647you’re right, run through as in traveling with horrible footwork. He would be riding the bench in any era 😂
@@mattc5647Yea because he's a better bum than them I guess
They always have to disrespect MJ to make their case for Lebron. Cmon bro JJ u need a reality check.
And vice versa
Facts..... I've never heard from a lebronsexual or stuperfan an intelligent case for lebron being the goat without adding jordans name saying he could never do this or that, tearing down past greats and eras..... have yet to hear it.... when Jordan and others are discussed it's what they did and accomplished and meant to the game and never have to say lebrons name or tear down other players to elevate jordan or other greats..... they go to the extremes and it's sad hearing it
A severe one. He speaks like his name is in the goat conversation. He is being paid to prop up certain individuals and tear down others. Puppets do that.
Mj Era did not have the same type of talent at all not even close mj never had to check players of now days
I kno you didn’t just say that 😂😂😂..the only reason ppl hate lebron is bc mj fans … lebron fans don’t have to s**t on mj most of us were fans n still are of mjs .. we just understand threw time players are better ..we not stuck in 98 😂😂
In Mike's era THEY PLAYED ALL 82 GAMES!!!! Plus they didn't cry 😭 about every call
MJ's era was one where guys stayed in college for 3 or 4 years. They came into the league way more polished and ready to perform than all the one and done guys today.
This right here is the truth. It is all about getting the pay check as soon as possible. And then there is the garbage load management. ML, Kobe, they were playing to win and they were playing for the fans. They knew that there were people in the stands that were there to see them. They weren't about to sit out a game.
Lol. Why does no one mention all of the rule changes. The eras are different because of the rules. Comparing isn’t really fair due to lebron playing for so long in this new era. If mj and kobe played in this era they’d be load managed. Look at kobes last like 5 seasons he was always hurt on a losing team. It’s just a difference in time. Kobe and mj are the ones you can compare. Because they are exactly alike. You can’t compare them to someone who plays completely different in a different era with different rules
This era is a error where the same thing can be said for players in high school of this era where they have more knowledge available to them than Jordan's era. So I would venture to say that kids today come into college more polished. If you disagree then I will simply ask you who is Zion Williamson of Jordan's era I'm talking about in high school terms. Because if you want to be completely honest Zion was the same player in high school that he is today. He's just older and stronger. Donovan Mitchell is another great example of a person who didn't have a great college career but the literally the next year when he got drafted he showed how powerless she already was and he couldn't show that in college because you have to be on a coach's plan. My final point being this is why you have so many people that are disappointed in so many kids that were great in high school then got drafted to be drafted busts because we already seen how great they can be.
Reddick is watered down.
Hes milk toast
🛁 water
Exactly
He's from Puke University
@@jdavis448 good one!!
Compared to Rasheed Wallace , JJ Reddick is a part time plumber & part time stay at home mom
sheed bonzi and that old blazer team would destroy jj on his best day. Those dudes use to go toe to toe with shaq and kobe on the regular
Jj is jimmer ferdette in the 90s bbq chicken and he knows it
@@Opium64 JJ isn’t a stand still shooter, he made shots moving around and taking fadeways and pull-ups. I bet he would have been great in the 90s.
@MRC325 he is just a poor man Danny Ainge
😂😂😂😂
I’m a huge basketball fan. Born in 81. I watched the 90s till now. Todays nba is the most watered down shit in history
100%, I was born in 84. It's hilarious what they lie and say about the 80's and 90's. NBA started getting watered down, once MJ left.
I'm from '76 in a sense it is but my thoughts are that it is more fragile than anything. There is a lot of accident prone players and a lot of load management going on where some players consistently miss most of the season.
Guys like Kobe went so hard that they had to go for awhile later on in their careers from always playing through injuries.
Too many people trying to copy Steph definitely has ruined the game. Teams are so dependent on 3s now that they are playing “accidental” ball as Kobe would put it.
@@djuanbenjamin9149 it’s AaU ball. Every1 plays the same now
Here’s a fact. When Jordan was at his peak from 1991 to 1998, the only HOF SGs who were in their primes who Jordan had to matchup against on both sides of the court were Clyde, Mitch Richmond, and Reggie Miller.
None of those players are considered the top 5 at the SG position outside of Jordan.
This in and of itself implies that at a minimum, Jordan was matched up against watered down talent at his position.
This is the most logical Jordan vs LeBron discussion I’ve heard in a LONG time. LeBron’s skill set has never been in the level of MJ or even Kobe.
Here is another logical point. Jordan made you see his name from a number. 23 all I need to say. Jordan was used as a standard and definition even today He is the JORDAN of ..... Never heard he is the lebron of.... Jordan had ppl then and NOW playing and even ppl tht do not like basket ball wearing his shoes. Some Players today have copied his moves. Jordan won mvpssssss championshipssssss when the league proudly played defense just as much as offense. And Jordan was also a def player of the league at only 6'6" all while being the best or one of the beat offensive players of his time.
They play different positions, have different body types and have different roles on the team. It’s like criticizing Shaq for not playing like Steph
@@LordBranniganThe Saying who is better and criticizing for not playing the same are 2 completely different things. You can still look at Shaq and Steph and determine who’s more skilled. Shaq is physically dominant. Yes, he is very skilled but much of his skill revolves around him being physically dominant much like LeBron. It’s fair to say Steph is more skilled. It takes an INSANE amount of skill to shoot like Steph and handle the rock like Steph. If you gave Steph, Shaq’s size and he maintained his skills, he’d be the greatest player of all-time. If you gave Shaq Steph’s size and he maintained his skill, he probably wouldn’t make the league. With Jordan and LeBron the gap is closer, but the same applies. LeBron is more physically dominant, but MJ was even more dominant because of his skills and his drive. If you gave MJ LeBron’s build and he kept his same skill set he would have been even better which is legitimately scary to think about. If you gave LeBron MJs size with his same skill set, he would be really good but not even close to as good as he is. Why? Because Jordan is more skilled. Period.
@@MDAce150 there are limitations with size. That’s why Shaq & Lebron are so unique, it’s unheard of to be that physically big and be agile at the same time with the skill and footwork they possess
@@LordBranniganThe Not true. There have been other extremely athletic players throughout NBA history built like LeBron. It’s just when they played they were specifically utilized a certain way whereas LeBron came in the league after the iteration of the “point forward” primarily pioneered by Magic and Scottie Pippen
"I refuse to get into the GOAT debate"
Proceed to go into the GOAT debate with the most ludicrous take ever.
What a bottom.
Exactly
😂
JJ so full of it
A bottom yet y’all butt hurt by his comment
@@user-zc3qs7qs8e you agree with Reddick or just talking for no reason?
This Shit Today Is Watered Down, the 90's Was The TRUTH....
Facts
6 new expansion teams from 88-96. that's 90 players in the league who wouldn't be. watered down by definition.
Explain how it's WATERED DOWN🤡.The differences is no AmericanYT MAN .John Stockton average i12 points was .EHLO, Danny Ange is tough.But the dominating american black men today is watered down shut up
@@joeblow1878 People forget to mention those expansion teams became playoff teams in a really short amount of time:
Orlando Magic - Shaq and Penny (playoff team)
Charlotte Hornets - Alonzo Mourning, Larry Johnson, Glenn Rice (playoff team)
Miami Heat - Alonzo Mourning (traded from Charlotte), Tim Hardaway (playoff team)
Minnesota Timberwolves - Kevin Garnett, Stephon Marbury (playoff team)
Toronto Raptors - Damon Stoudamire, Vince Carter (playoff team)
Compare those teams to the tanking teams of today, which of them is watering down the league?
Thank you for telling it like it is!!!!
They always say "Lebron is going go bully-ball Michael on a 1-on-1" for real? He can't even do that to J. J. Barea - Get out of here.
LeSteroid can't even bully-ball a 6-3 Steph Curry. Kobe or MJ would have obliterated Steph if he guards them.
LeBalco would have been left as a stain on the parquet floor if he had to face off against the 86 Celtics or some other team
There would be nothing left if he went up against the Bad Boy Pistons
There are only 3 players in the top 20 for All Time scoring who are under 6'7".
Oscar, MJ, and Kobe.
And?
@@LionelLordOfTheThundercats if you dont get that why even ask?
@@royarvindelacruz4718 Why does that matter? So he is better because he is short? So is Spud Webb the goat? How about Nate Robinson or Muggsy Bogues? The are under 6 feet, does that make them the goat?
@@LionelLordOfTheThundercats What did mugsy bouges and others accomplished? TF comparing to jordan and kobe?
@@royarvindelacruz4718 You are missing the point, why does height matter? Does Kareem lose points for being tall? At what height are you eliminated from the GOAT conversations? Lebron is three inches taller than Jordan and Kobe, so they are better than him? How does height work in this debate? How many points do you get per inch?
My point is, it is a non factor. Your game is your game. Saying Jordan and Kobe are as tall as the other people on the list means nothing.
Dwyane Wade, Ray Allen, Udonis Haslem have MJ over Lebron and they played with the dude at his peak, case closed.
Without Ray Allen Lebum wouldn't even have a fake argument in the first place. It took arguably the most clutch shot in NBA history from Ray Allen just to keep LeBrick from having a 3 and 11 finals record. 🤔🤣
They watch him growing up
What exactly does this mean or prove lmao? You can find mjs old teammates literally scottie calling lebron the goat. Charles oakley too.
Pippen and Isaiah Thomas have Lebron over Jordan so what’s your point?
@@dreamchaser1419damn you bronsexuals try so hard and fail every time 🤣🤣🤣
The biggest thing people need to take away from that clip with jj, he owns a podcast WITH LeBron. That should tell you everything you need to know
And guess what else? JJ Redick never won anything no championships in his career. In other words he sucks.
@@dennissmith9260 --- Phil Jackson was a bench warmer and yet won 11 rings as a head coach
JJ doesn't need to win anything to have an opinion -- even if JJ's opinion on this is pretty bad.
@@dennissmith9260JJ is 100% wrong but he didn't suck. He wasn't a bad player but he is politicking because of Bron and he wants to get the coaching job.
@@jlui21lmao Phil Jackson won a ring playing for the Knicks 👀
@@NOLAAceTV - Yup, phil won 1 as a player. Kerr won 5 as a player. Neither were amazing players but coaching? Some of the bests.
Great players don’t make great coaches and vice versa. The only exception to that outside of Bill Russell, Larry BIRD. Great player, coach, GM.
People forget to mention those expansion teams became playoff teams in a really short amount of time:
Orlando Magic - Shaq and Penny (playoff team)
Charlotte Hornets - Alonzo Mourning, Larry Johnson, Glenn Rice (playoff team)
Miami Heat - Alonzo Mourning (traded from Charlotte), Tim Hardaway (playoff team)
Minnesota Timberwolves - Kevin Garnett, Stephon Marbury (playoff team)
Toronto Raptors - Damon Stoudamire, Vince Carter (playoff team)
Compare those teams to the tanking teams of today, which of them is watering down the league? 🤔
Glen Rice wasn't on the hornets 1st playoff team I believe... I may be wrong tho
The difference at this time each team had at least 2 legitimate Allstars. These days, everyone is considered an Allstar because of how inflated the stats are. Back in the 90s scoring 20ppg was Allstar level...not 20ppg is 3rd option because of how easy it is to score
The GOAT debate is this simple. Let's give MJ and Lebron the exact same stats, rings, awards, and accolades.
6'6, 210 lb. MJ - played peak in a big man, inside post, ISO ball, hard foul, hand checking, defensive era.
6'9, 250 lb. LBJ - played peak in a smaller man, outside shooter, zone ball, no hand check or defensive body contact, offensive era.
Who is more impressive?
Bronsexuals and LeMedia have helped LeBron fraud himself into the goat debate lol, in my mind 2011 Finals ended his case to be part of that, he aint even better than Kobe in my list
LMAO that's not how debate works. But a great example of a flawed narrative.
You'll give them both the same accolades? Why stop there? Give them both the same teammates, the the optimal regimen, the same competition, and then run the scrimmages a 1000 times. And now, you've only begun getting close to a sample size of games worth comparing.
If people have to teach you how comparisons and hypotheticals work, you've a lot of basic education to go through.
@@rsh650 That's exactly how debate works... don't be an ass.
The 90's and Jordan didn't need a PR campaign about how "ackzually... our era is better than the 70s and 80s". No one was fucking questioning that shit.
Facts. The 90s were the NBA golden era. Ratings prove it
Advancement in technology may have more to do with viewership increasing.
Why can a offensive player run into a defender no matter if he's moving or not? Whoever initiated contact should be charged a foul.
Wasnt really a conversation to have
@@FirstPersonHood but technology stopped advancing then? or if not you logic doesn't make sense, and a defensive player can take a charge so there is offensive fouls
JJ on the Klutch payroll
Literally!!!
He, Shannon Sharpe, Nick Wright, Draymond Green, and a few others are literally Klutch Sports affiliates! They get paid to sit up on TV and espouse the nonsense that they do about LBJ and past eras/players.
And unlike LBJ, MJ and Kobe (RIP) didn't have their own personal agency (i.e., Klutch) hiring guys who work in sports media, to push their agenda (i.e., discrediting past greats/eras) and champion their claims of being the GOAT.
Hell, just look at all of the anti-Jokic rhetoric that began permeating in sports media last year, when he was on the verge of winning 3 straight MVPs.
Isn't it strange that it all PRIMARILY came from one group of analysts in particular:
Brian Windhorst
Ramona Shelburne
JJ Redick
Kendrick Perkins
Rachel Nichols
Dave McMenamin
FACT: all 6 of 'em voted Jokic 3rd in MVP voting last year and staunchly picked LA to beat DEN in 6.
It's NOT a coincidence that ALL of 'em are Klutch Sports affiliates.
Gotta be. There's a reason he's on the same podcast.
@@moballardfulblindly praising lebron at this point is a business decision. Literally everyone that gasses him up works with him
@@sij809yup.JJ is paid. LBJ only fans
@@sij809truth. And anyone who has a different opinion, is a hater. Lol
Those Cat's from the 90's Would Laugh they Asses Off About Load Management Alone....
Two of those expansion teams were Orlando with Shaq and Penny. Charlotte with Mourning and Larry Johnson. Those teams were not watered down
All 82 regular season games , for 9 straight years...
With all the diva injuries and load management, I’d say today’s league is more watered down on a per game basis.
I agree but what JJ is saying is in 88-89 they added 4 teams and in 95 they added 2 more. None of those 6 teams had more than 30 wins there first 4 seasons. That means the were easier games that wouldn't have been there if they weren't added. Of course the Great Teams were still great we arn't talking about the great teams he's talking about the historically bad teams that didn't exist.
6 new expansion teams from 88-96. that's 90 players in the league who wouldn't be. watered down by definition.
Not to mention these weak ass rules, and no more hand checking or barely touching a player gave lebum the advantage to start flopping… 🤦🏽♂️
@@joeblow1878do you know how many rounds the draft was before? How many new college teams were added? Since there are still the same amount of teams is the league watered down now? Adding teams doesn't water down the league or are you saying the Bill Russell days were the toughest since there was the fewest amount of teams.
@@RM-dv5qr people say stuff just to hear themselves
"I gotta pay this mortgage you young punk, you ain't gonna stop this"😂😂😂😂
That took me out 😭😭😭
And Redick is SERIOUSLY being considered for coaching jobs. I think JJ means JUST JOKING with most of his comments.
JJ Reddick is just as delusional as his fellow Clutch employees, for God's sake. The disrespect he puts on Bird and Jordan smh
Most people on here are ignorant to the facts!
Bonzi says “They didn’t take people off the streets”!
90 players were added to the league!
Yes The expansion teams got to choose out of the player pool after the teams protected 8 players on the roster!
But they forget to mention that those players chosen to the expansion teams had to be replaced so the league was “watered down” with players that were not good enough to be in the league before the expansion.
Reddick was not saying the Expansion teams were the issue, it was the replacements that watered it down!
JJ is so disrespectful it's sick.......
@@alanbyrd5635 What was disrespectful?
@@yesyouarecorrectbut So the argument would then be the new teams were watered down, but not the old teams. Which is why JJ says he’s not talking playoffs. Lol. But playoffs is all that matters and Jordan’s record is known to all in that. So JJ killed his own point 😂
@@yesyouarecorrectbutbut it's still a dumb argument cause we talking legacy. We not talking about the regular season grind. Every era has had bad teams. The fact is you don't see any of them in the playoffs, which is where your legacy is made so why bring up whether someone's bottom of league was better or not, that's weird. For that matter the ENTIRE Eastern conference was watered down when Bron ran it.
When Jordan came to Seattle we would play him in the Kingdome. He was filling our football stadium. GOAT.
That's a lie
@@ManDinqa Nov 23, 1991The Bulls actually created much of their own stress as the Sonics (7-4), playing the first of four games this season in the cavernous Kingdome before a crowd of 34,231-plus, climbed back from a ...
@@ManDinqa Technically he didnt 'fill it up' The Kingdome football capacity was about 60k but the Sonics played in the Key arena which only had 17k so he doubled attendance when he came to town.
@@AyayronBalakay gotcha, I stand corrected. Forgive me for calling you a liar.
@@ManDinqa no worries brother
The league was watered down but we have a playin league now. Players are consistently hurt, and most of the skills that we see were called traveling, carrying, and double dribble back in da day.
Facts. It has become nearly unwatchable honestly...
Facts
They are paying JJ to say that.
Bonzi is spot on on LeBron basically being good at basketball because he’s a physical freak. To me, his game has always been ugly to watch, with exception to his passing ability. MJ and Kobe to me mastered the art of basketball, offensively amd defensively. When those two guys walked away, I stopped watching as much basketball, especially since the 3pt shot took over the game.
Being ugly to watch doesn't make it bad. Most basketball players are physical freaks.
Agree with every word. Bron is painful to watch, has as much grace as a water buffalo
MJ was a bigger physical freak than LeBron.
Bron never spent time on the fundamentals, his footwork was always lacking since he could bullrush dudes. Even today his shot charts are 90% around the restricted area and the rest are 3's, his midrange is largely nonexistent.
Bron is widely regarded as one of the best passers of all time and yet fools like you constantly try to diminish his skill set
How ridiculous. We're talking about guys like Malone, David Robinson, Chuck, Hakeem, Clyde, Payton, Kemp, Reggie, Ewing, on and on and on. How dare he suggest the competition wasn't strong enough. and that's a dumb ass argument about expansion teams watering it down.
Probably because folks wasn't as fast or generally big (pause) as they are now days. Had plenty of elite bigs back then more than guards, C'mon son u really think Mugsy boges could make a roster in this generation 😂😂. 88 u had Miami n Hornets(No Noise) 89 timberwolves n my fav Orlando magic (still no noise) raptors n grizz moved (no noise) all this to say that YES NBA did get watered down in this era 🤷🏾♂️ more trash ass teams to pad your stats n walk to playoffs🤷🏾♂️ ...Excuse me since I'm not a NBA player I won't call em trash how bout mediocre compared to there contemporaries!
@@marlostanfield8127In an era where 5'9 Isaiah Thomas averaged 27 ppg it's definitely possible for Mugsy to play.
But today's players are allowed more space to dribble, shoot with less physical contact. A lot of these players would average less points back then
6 new expansion teams from 88-96. that's 90 players in the league who wouldn't be. watered down by definition.
@@joeblow1878 I guess you can say that's also 90 players that shouldn't be in today's league too.
The bottom 3rd of the league sucks like it does every year
@@marlostanfield8127my dude you talking about the league was watered in that era because of the expansion, did you see the East from the 2000s to the late 2010s? That was watered down. No kinda competetiton during that time and I'm a Sixers fan. The east alone was more competitive than it was during lebron's turn in the eastern conference.
absolutely loved listening to this!
Great convo
Jordan era was nowhere near watered down. AD went down with shoulder stinger with season on the line. Everyone is hurt, injured. This era watered down crazy
This era is SOFT
Today’s era is the most watered down since the 70’s.
The rules are different. That doesn’t make the players soft.
What you just said has absolutely nothing to do with being watered down
The rules are a symptom of an entire generation of Americans being soft, fat, lazy and entitled. There's a reason the Europeans are crushing most players when they come over.
Modern players saying other eras were watered down when they ignore the defensive side of the ball which is 50% of the game. you can't help but laugh at these kids.
Preach!!!
Have you seen the playoffs? I don’t see defense being ignored
Tell me you don’t watch basketball without telling me.
@@1931fitoThey had to change the rules mid-season to up the intensity going into the playoffs… that’s all you needed to know about today’s era. Goofy 3pt shots, moving screens and poor rotations.
The expansion gave more talented players an opportunity to play. Reddick's argument means you have to include Wilt in the convo. Jordan was strong as heck, too.
One guy was undefeated in the finals, another won five rings and then theirs a still great player who needs others to plead his case for even more greatness!
Well, my guy won 11 titles in 13 seasons, so your guy sucks!
When people were saying MJ was the goat including magic isiah all his peers they weren’t trying to tear down previous eras to elevate him. Mike just put that work in and everybody came to a consensus he wasn’t trying to force himself down people’s throats in fact he said opposite that he didn’t think of anyone being goat cause he said he’ll never get to prove himself against Jerry west and Oscar all those guys before him. This shit with Lebron is all forced they are trying to sell him hard and people are tired of it.
Isaiah was the only person who smashed MJ, Smashed Bird/McHale, smashed Magic / Kareem, yet they give him no credit and always point to MJ... Jordan didnt beat any of them...
But Jordan beat Isaiah so...
Context matters. Jordan once he had a squad around him dominated Magic lakers and Isiah pistons they didn’t just beat the Pistons they swept their asses. Testament to how good the Bulls were. Not to mention all the other teams the Bulls went through. Nobody stood a chance when they were at full steam.
Don’t even think of saying Magic was old neither. He was only 31 and he was putting up big numbers in playoffs. Beat that stacked warriors team in 5 games and averaged 26 10 and 13 on them to get to finals. Even if Pistons did beat Magic and Bird Isiah still ain’t on their level. Isiah was on Jordan’s dick after he had only won 2 championships calling him the greatest player. Now he’s feeling bitter he wants to act like that never happened 😂
@@Rumble225-qe7fyMan Stop. Boston swept the bulls, period. Isiah beat the bulls. When jordan wins its because of him. When he looses its because of his team. He got 6 rings. Russell got 11, Kobe got 5, Duncan got 5. Its not that much different.
JJ was basically saying "The watered down" Orlando Magic who has Shaq and Penny are watered down players 😂
and the Hornets.
i want to hear shaq's response. shaq is mj era. funny how reddick says he don;t get into the debate, yet you turn around and call mj era watered down. Lebron;s east was most watered down east dam near in nba history
Diss Shaq slow ass right in his face
The host a low key bronsexuals
I swear bro even the hornets had alonzo mourning, dell curry, muggsy, and larry johnson. The heat also had glen rice, steve smith, alonzo mourning, brian shaw, tim hardaway and was coached by pat riley. That expansion team actually won more than 50+ games
Everyone that grew up watching MJ play wanted to see MJ's mentality in Bron's body. Thank God that never happened. Bully ball would have had a whole new definition.
The world stopped when MJ was in the Finals. Now people don’t even talk about it
Sheed mad a great point about Jordan’s era being grown men. It’s easy to forget that MJ played 3 years of college. Hakeem played 3 years of college. Tim Duncan played 4 years at Wake Forest. Most of the guys back then went through the maturation process in college. Today the league is littered with guys that never had that college development and likely would have benefited from it. Sure the top tier guys are gonna shine right out of HS and 1 year removed from high school. But there are a whole bunch of guys that play 1 year of college and then come to the league only to be drafted in the late first or second round.
Lebron era is weak n watered down
MJ era far from watered down or weak
Jordan didn’t have to guard them tho…😂😂😂
He was guarding Hersey Hawkins and Jeff Hornacek. 👎🏾
@@B-EZListen he guarding dumars Reggie Clyde just stop
@@user-uc1nj3vy9c and Hersey Hawkins and Jeff Hornacek buddy. Where the lies. And I’m talking about in the finals kid.
They act like there aren’t 6 teams every year that ppl bulldoze over all season. 🤣
Lol Bron been in league 21 years and Kings made playoffs ONCE during tht period 😂
Facts. There were like 5 teams that lost 60+ games this year and two that lost 67 and 68 games. Pistons, Wizards, Hornets, Spurs, and Blazers. With 4 more that lost 50+ games, Grizzlies, Jazz, Raptors, and Nets.
More parity back then. Free agency wasn't even a thing until almost 1990. Players weren't jumping around and teaming up like they do today. It took a while before Clyde and Charles decided to team up with dream. Yall really aren't being objective. Too emotional about who your subjective and opinionated player is for Goat. Sad. Too much estrogen. Go eat some protein and then go fight in a war. Snowflake culture has infiltrated everything, even sports.
You took the words out of my mouth 😂😂😂😂😂😂
They're acting like Lebron wasn't playing most of his career in a watered down Eastern conference when there were seasons where 8 or 9 teams were below .500. Some of those teams might as well have been expansion teams.
I like what the UConn women's HC said about this era of basketball; he said that it's more about playing games and not practicing, so the players aren't as polished or ready as they used to be.
“Hey camera guy, wanna play tonight? Call your homies” 😂😂
The fact all those LeBum glazers need to disrespect and talk down on other players, just to get their "king" in the picture is sad, delusional and ignorant.
Actually, I think it is quite the opposite. How do you 90's fan not understand the concept of expansion?- Players were drafted off current teams. Creating vacancies on those very teams, in which players not already in the league were needed, to fill those spots. What does this mean? Rosters were weaker across the league, with players who were not NBA-caliber without the expansion.
Lastly, if you think players have not evolved in the sport in terms of skill & versatility in 30 years- you are too lost to even understand logic.
Saying lebum makes u sound lestupid
@@Reaper13-hi3yothe expansion argument is weak. You played the expansion team 2-4 times at most, and besides, there’s been just as many expansion teams if not more during Lebrons era as there was in Jordan’s. In his prime, when Lebron played in the Eastern Conference, it was SO weak that it became a running joke and people called it the “leastern conference”. During Jordan’s era, the Eastern Conference was in fact the stronger and more grueling conference to play in, so you can miss me with all that expansion nonsense.
Ironically, you're disrespecting LeBron with your comment here, so you're just as bad.
@@mushshrap6471 LeBum hasn't earned my respect. I give him credits for being in the league for all those years, but that's it. His personality is obnoxious, his behavior on the court is awful. There's a reason why he resorts to demanding respect from people and why he's self proclaiming the GOAT.
In 20 years when I’m debating my sons about who their goat is they’ll say “bron played against plumbers” and they’ll bring up jj reddick
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Wrong Bron played against Shaq, Dirk, T Mac, AI, KG, Rasheed, Kobe, Duncan, Tony Parker, Kidd, Nash, Vince Carter, Artest, Stax, Paul Pierce, Marbury, Steve Francis, Ray Allen, Wallace and countless others all in their primes and still put in work against all of them and busted most of their asses.
Bron came into the league with Dwade, Melo, Bosh played against KD, Westbrook Dwight, AD, Steph, Amare Stodoumire, Klay, Draymond, Tatum, Booker, Brown, Rose, Fox, Donavan Mitchell, Ja, Zion, Embiid, Harden, PG, Butler and all the new young talent in the league now and still hold his own as a grandpa and the oldest player in the league so WTF you talking about 💯
@@knucklesaukuso5086 ... He's illustrating the nature of how each generation views the one that comes before it... the one that comes after... and most importantly itself.
Example... I am from the previous generation... and if I was building a 5 man roster... there are at least 5 Small Forwards that I would take before LeBron... he has no skillset... as discussed in this very video.
My kid's generation would call me a moron and tell me that Bron is the goat... my father's generation wouldn't even consider LeBron a man... times change ;-)
That's "wtf he was talking about 100"
@@knucklesaukuso5086 u naming a bunch of players like there isn't a list that long from the 80s and 90s.
@user-mh6yh3lh8w he forget olajuwon, mutombo, morning, Dougherty, Robinson, Malone, Barkley, LJ, the Davis', Kemp, cliff Rob, Clyde, isaiah, bird maxwell and Parrish, magic worthy and van exel, webber, shaq Penny Grant Hill mark Jackson & Reggie, Hersey, BK, spre Mullin Hardaway, man ii could keep going on.
“I got a bunch ‘a clown ass friends” 😅😂🤣
I lived in Maryland and we had wgn when I was growing up so I watched alot of Bulls games
“They don’t have my boy’s name in it. You gotta have my boy’s name in it.” Shaq talking about Kobe in the GOAT debate. Then JJ got so butt hurt saying he doesn’t care about the GOAT debate as he continues to gas up LeBron 🤦🏾♂️
JJ is cocky asshole
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JJ Roderrick is not a good enough player to be throwing shade at anyone. He is a “Who he play for” contestant. People laugh at Kenny Smith but let this fool get away with his garbage takes.
@@TomCruz54321facts! At least Kenny has championship pedigree. JJ legit a plumber of this era.
So Bron didn't make the Finals in a "watered down" eastern conference? 😂
Both can be true…
The Leastern Conference
No, you guys WANT that to be the case but it's not... I'm sure if lebron was in the west.... and he made the finals a bunch.. yall would say it's watered down... yall so threatened with lebron... there are much worse players, complainers, etc but for some reason yall hate lebron so much because he's been good for so long
@Donveto4445 Paul George Pacers were the best team he beat. Rose tearing his ACL could've changed things. No Way he makes it that many years in a row in the West. Bronsexual
Mj played against more hall of fame players than are playing now.
This is one of the best convos I have heard people don't get it man this is the type of education people need 💯🤝
Bro talking like Mike was 6’6” car salesman. The 🥷🏿 could literally fly
So could a lot of other guys that played his position. The notion people weren't athletic back then is completely bunk, Drexler and Wilkins were absolute freaks of nature themselves, still never seen ANYONE dunk as hard as Nique. But yea, of course Jordan was an elite athlete, but he wasn't bulldozing through everyone for easy buckets I think is their point. The dude was shooting fadeaways with two guys draped on him or taking it to the hole around 3-4 bodies for his points.
@@gamble777888 facts what separated Jordan was his insane fundamentals and skill.
@@gamble777888 Bruh Dominique Wilkins and Drexler would be mid in today's NBA
@@Pursuit_Of_Speed Bru Brunson just averaged 29, Jaylen Brown getting paid 50 million. Drexler and Nique both would drop 30, they were dropping 30 without 3s.
No disrespect to Drexler and Nique but go watch their games and tell me they didn't just have athleticism. Back in the day was all about physicality and no skill. Today is skill and no physicality. That's why Jordan is the GOAT then and Bron is the GOAT now. They had/have what their era lacked the most..
Love the way Bonzi broke down the difference. Having gone against all 3 he knows
Nice to see the dudes, loved them both in their playing days)
Jailblazers time
Mike did have one big physical advantage, HUGE hands. He was 6'6" and very athletic with the hands of a 7' plus center
I guess nobody remembers how physical the NBA was back in the Jordan era. Todays players would get PTSD driving into the paint against the Detroit Pistons, Miami Heat or New York Knicks of the 90s. Brunson gets knocked down hard once or twice a game. AI was in the valley of the giants getting decked a dozen times a game.
What you talkin about? They dont even play defense today......at all I have literally seen 6'11 and 7 ft guys bih up and move out of the way. Guys you named and Mutombo would dare you to come into the paint. Sometimes def was more exciting then the offense. I agree with you, but Your giving them too much credit today 😆
FACTS
Kwame actually said jordan didnt belittle him, that was the media making up stories. Jordan treated him like all his other teammates, talking trash and trying to hold them to a high expectation. Kwame also said it was actually Doug Collins that was treating him poorly, not letting him play alot, blaming Kwame for when things didn't go right and making his time with the wizards miserable.
No his game made his time with the wizards miserable don’t listen to that bum 🤣🤣🤣🤷🏾♂️
@@kinghova9197He didn’t draft himself.
C'mon men rasheed is absolutely 💯 right mi mj treat kwame brown very bad according to kwame brown stop blaming media mj kobe Bryant bad teammates
This isn't me talking, this is straight out of kwames mouth. Also I didn't say jordan wasn't an asshole to him but people blow it out of proportions. Jordan was an asshole to everyone, nothing special about kwame.
@@kinghova9197 you aren't allowed to say that unless you played in the NBA remember? LOL
Thanks Sheed for the memories.
(Bonzi) I couldn't eat. I couldn't sleep. 😂
“I gotta pay this mortgage you young punk” lmaooo sound like dragon fly jones 😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣Silence
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if thats the mentality you dealing with, you will be ina hell of pain, now everybody lets go home play video game and podcast
So he said Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, KG, CWebb, Nash were all watered down lol
No he is saying the players that came in to fill the spots on the expansion teams were watered down. I don't know if that is true or not, but he isn't saying there were no good players, just that the league as a whole wasn't as strong as it is today. Also Kobe and Nash weren't even in the league during the first 3 peat and in the 2nd they were still only young guys figuring it out.
@@sa9245 thats a myth, its just an additioal company the fact is , great players will still be there and you will deal with great players regardless of number of people coming in
@@joeymannywhat’s not a myth is the refs helped Michael during his peak years. Fact
“Was it a foul Michael? I believe you. Anything for Michael.”
@@Biscuitsgravy924meanwhile LeBron's Lakers FT differentials for the last 2 seasons...
@@Biscuitsgravy924 help? MJ has a deep bag playing the post and constantly attacking and he is just shooting 8 fts per game, while lebron with poor bag and just bully ball as a Pg shot 7.6 Ft per game, stop it. Jordan played the tough game where fouls are brutal and can end our career compare to what lebron has more privilige to play, flop, and whine
Man i fux with y'all dudes man 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Man, I watched some WGN on the TV without cable all day!
Are people forgettin? 12-man active roster, 15 under contract in the 90’s.
In 20/21 season they expanded to 15 active, 18 under contract.
In other words, the current NBA is 90 players more watered down than it was in, say, 1997.
Forgot about that. Great point.
Thank you man, this is what had to be said.
My man! 100%
6 new expansion teams from 88-96. that's 90 players in the league who wouldn't be. watered down by definition.
@@joeblow1878they were still basketball players just like they said these dude didn’t get pulled off the street
JJ Reddick is doing Lebron’s bidding anyone that knows ball seen this coming when they link up LeFraud sees his career ending & the ppl still not convinced he’s the goat so now it’s time to discredit Mike
I agree with this, i started to like the duo when they first started it was real bball perspective, but theeeennnn it didnt take long for all of a sudden JJ to talk this non sense.
Smart comment!!! And he’s gonna keep playing to get the stats up because he knows he’ll never catch mj in the titles
@@HahaHaha-km4sm agreed
Bonzi was a killer. And hilarious 😂
MJs best season was before the expansion in 87-88. He averaged 30 against the Celtics and the Pistons.
Lol, his best season was 87-88.
35 ppg, scoring champ, MVP, DPOY
It's guys like JJ REDNECK why I hate the NBA.
It’s guys like JJ why i hate sports media and podcasts.
JJ just gave his opinion. You can disagree but you don't have to be a sensitive racist bum
It’s guys like you’s who are such weak cry babies complaining about someone who doesn’t think or agree with you’s LMFAO!!!🤣😂🤪
JJ redick played during the Kobe era!
@@geoffrey2292 listen here you jar of mayonnaise. Say that in real life and it's gonna be a gathering of your family and friends.
JJ trying to hold Lebron's nutz hoping he can get that coaching gig after they ship out Ham and that pimple on top of his head, He's Bron's boy now, 👀 No Diddy🤭 #NaptownStandUp
Well said and remember him and bron got a podcast together 🤔
You holding Jordanz nutz and you aint never met him, thats even sadder. 😂
@@mattc5647 And you doing the same for lebron.
its diddy between JJ and bron
Pimples have feelings too 😂😂
that pre-pause was crucial.
“Ready for that wood” is nasty work
imagine saying jordans era was watered down when like 30 of the 75 greatest players of all time were in his era
First of all, who’s J.J Reddick? Oh, I remember a role player/ spot up shooter. Who couldn’t create his own shot. This era is watered down. Let the truth be told. His opinion shouldn’t matter anyway. That pissed me off by disrespecting not only Jordan but every single great player in that era
Facts! Well said!
Who are you? Lol. JJ played in the NBA, you NEVER did. So you don't know sheet. Sit down somewhere. 😂 Fuggin swipetext basketball experts foh.
That's what I said lol . 👍👍👏👏🤣
JJ would be less of a player in that "watered down" league. Lol
Best basketball discussion ever.
Yup I’ve been saying that from the beginning, old school basketball is grown ass men big time
Sheed is right, look at the bodies of 90’s players, no Diddy. The were big and cut. Compare David Robinson and Malone to Joker and Joel.
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the kids call Joel... "Mr Glass"
Big cut don't mean they were good
No Diddy!
They would gas out from the pace of players now lol
The Charlotte and Orlando franchises became relevant shortly after their inception into the league. Those Hornets teams with Mourning and Grandma-Ma were competitive, and the Magic were must watch TV every Sunday for a long time in the early to mid nineties.
LOL! The Orlando Magic literally went to the Finals in the sixth year of their existence as a franchise.
And they took depth from other teams that’s literally the definition of watering down the league
Don’t forget the Heat. Won 60 games in 97 and went to the East finals, losing to the Bulls.
@@maurice2245 It happened to every team in the league, and the only advantage that the Bulls had were in those first couple of season when those teams could be marked up as easy wins, but that literally only a handful of games in the regular season, plus Jordan rarely missed games, he only missed 4th quarters, but that was due to them dominating most teams within the first 3 quarters.
@@wileyschmitt actually it didn’t happen to the Bulls because Jordan was retired when the expansion took place and he was able to come back to a 57 win team,it was only a couple good teams in the league back then with any depth
To put it simply......THEY ALL ARE GREAT!!!!....i am greatful to have seen all of them play
Spitting facts. 100% wisdom on this one here.
I'm confused at what JJ is even trying to say. They added teams to the NBA... okay? How does that make it watered down? Like Bonzi said, that's not based in reality. There's no correlation between those two things, that's just his way of getting in that jab on the 90s saying that it's watered down. Adding a few regular season teams that were not good, that makes the entire decade watered down? Every season there are bad teams in the league. This season, teams got to play the Pistons (who had one of the longest losing streaks in NBA history) and Wizards. The Trail Blazers, Spurs... the Grizzlies had their entire team injured and played multiple games with pretty much G-League players and 10 day contract players. Is this era watered down? Just silly. He's probably on the Klutch payroll since he does the podcast with Lebron now and that's just him planting seeds and starting new false narratives that ignorant clueless kids can run with and start mindlessly repeating.
JJ was a good 3 point shooter that's it, he has a good presence to be on TV and he sounds smart as he talks, but in reality he doesn't know what he's talking about most of the thing he's saying, with that reasoning what sould we say when the ABA - NBA merged? If his reasoning is sound we should say that Dr J is the Goat as he came from the ABA and won a title against "superior" players.
It’s just a narrative for fanboys lebum supporters to bite on and run with for their debate . They have to tear mj down for Lebronze sake . It ain’t working , but it’s what they doing .
6 new expansion teams from 88-96. that's 90 players in the league who wouldn't be. watered down by definition.
@@joeblow1878 okay , so you still have the same teams that make the playoffs , plus their was expansion in lebums era as well . Plus he was n the weak east , than joined Miami , a championship team and an fmvp d wade , and took Toronto’s franchise star Bosh with him , mind you , watering down the east even more and stacking the competition . Low integrity move , no one respected that . And that’s just part of why lebum gets criticized . Jj reddick is a mouthpiece getting groomed by unklutch . He was a journeyman who stood n a counter for 8 mins a game bouncing around team to team , and coaches didn’t put their best defenders on him , they would’ve never wasted that on the likes of jj reddick . Wide open 3s and he only shot 41% .
@@kauffamn1016 they haven't added a team since 04. not reading the embarrassing rambling of a middle aged fanboi.
" I gotta pay this mortgage you young punk you ain't stopping this"🤣🤣🤣
Let JJ say that to Rick Mahorn. The whole team woulda beat him down beat you down. Imagine after winning NBA championship literally same freaking night… find out you was just traded!!!
JJ & these mfs so mentally fragile… woulda s… his Wr…Sheed you should talk about how you mfs lost to Spurs
Up 3-1 & mfs was laughing leaving the court. Yall left a championship at dinner with Larry & Pop. This from the D & we still pissed tf off bruh
sheed w the knowledge!
WGN was local everywhere when MJ played. I’m from the A but I watched every game.
We had WGN in St Olaf.
I’m from Montgomery, Al and grew up watching all of the Bulls games and even watched a lot of Cubs games. 😂
I was a big time bulls fan. I got every game on WGN in Memphis.
That's all facts, i forgot about that............MJ made WGN local everywhere!!!
Every game wasn't on wgn. Most were on SportsChannel Chicago. Illinois native.
Dudes did that to Scalabrine, they called him trash and he went to local parks on Boston and busted them up
Scal could ball out I know Highline CC in Washington dude has game
Didn't MJ's era have a 5'3 point guard playing???? That will never happen today.
Today’s players could not guard mugsy or spud webb
Bron era had a 5’6 point guard that made all nba teams Isiah Thomas Boston Celtics
Lets not forget one of these Expansion teams The Orlando Magic lead by Shaq and Penny
JJ has to say that era is watered down so he can brown nose his way into Brons circle to get job and investment opportunities
Bingo!
Y'all take this way too personal. Jordan don't even like you niggas, JJ was just playing devils advocate to debate. Watch the podcast
Yep, and to keep that podcast going
6 new expansion teams from 88-96. that's 90 players in the league who wouldn't be. watered down by definition.
Sheed has a great point about the age of the players: When Mike was in his day, nobody came out of high school, and few were leaving college early. The ones that did, still played in college for 3 years. You didn't have loads of kids in the league that were younger than many college players. You had grown men. The average age of NBA players is a couple of years younger now. And that's even with having a lot of older players. They can play longer now in large part due to the lack of physical defense. You don't take bumps your whole career, you're in better physical shape by the time you're in your upper 30's. It's not the conditioning, either, because the NFL's average age right now is less than a year younger than it was 20 years ago. Basically hasn't changed. It's still physical. NBA isn't.
Bonzi is 1,000% correct from a professional perspective.🎯
I remember watching the NBA as a kid in the 90s thinking why do the Bulls only have a #2 like Pippen? Why do we have to rely on John Starks? It was an Expansion Era and yes, it kind of sucked
Jj reddick shouldn't be allowed to talk ball
He can speak on ball. Just not HOFers
@@jhragins96but y’all speak on hall of famers
That's right. Only people that agree with you should be allowed to talk. This isn't a communist country. Grow up and learn how to converse and debate without it being an argument. Or go hang out in north Korea with your ppl that don't allow anything they don't agree with.
And you should? Who are you?
Just because you don't agree with doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to talk ball. He has objectively detailed takes about the game.
Bonzi just said something that I rarely hear people say about the goat argument. Lebron has always relied on physicality and never had the skill set of Jordan and Kobe! Lebron’s skills in Jordan or Kobe’s body, we’re not even having this conversation of him in a goat debate. Jordan or Kobe’s skills in Lebron’s body and the shit wouldn’t even be fair!
I know I've used this argument many times. This is the same reason Centers aren't typically in the "G.O.AT" conversations. They have skills...yes. But their offense is limited and they're able to dominate bc of their size advantage. So we just compare centers to other Centers or big men. So I agree with everything you said💯.
@@smokinjoe006 Great point 💯!
But it’s irrelevant because Lebron doesn’t have Jordan body and Jordan doesn’t have Lebrons body😂 it really doesn’t matter how you score or how you play the game period. At the end of the day what have you accomplished, what have you won, what awards have you won. Kobe doesn’t belong in the goat conversation unfortunately. Only Kareem mj and Lebron really have a case
@@fatality1249 Kobe has more of a case because the media post 1999 has had an agenda when voting for MVP. Kobe was punished for Colorado and the League won't admit to that. They protected Lebron by annointing Igoadala FMVP
@@fatality1249 I get your point but that was only an analogy to speak to what bonzi wells was saying. Lebron has accomplished a lot because he’s always been a bigger guy for his position. No knock on his legacy, just facts.
Mike's era: A body slam was a foul....
Today's era: Tim Duncan laughs on the bench and get 2 technical fouls and ejected!
Love Sheed. Straight up Philly. Still remember him at Gratz
The 90s were STACKED smfh
The 90's had the Bulls Knicks Magic Jazz Rockets Sonics Spurs Blazers. 8 teams out of 28-30 but the 90's were stacked?
@@ceeztheemoment24 lakers, cavs, pacers, bucks, miami... are you drunk?
@@CoachVFitness very sober. There's a difference between serious contenders and fun teams to watch.
@@ceeztheemoment24 I find it to be extremely hypocritical that you don't use that logic for Lebum when he formed a superteam in Miami and a borderline superteam in Cleveland against a bunch of fraudulent Eastern conference teams like the Pacers, Bulls, Hawks, and Raptors. You 90s haters just keep proving you don't know what the hell you're talking about. 😂😂😂 In the 90s the Heat had Alonzo Mourning and Tim Hardaway Sr. and they won over 50 games twice and lost to the Bulls.
@@psychedelicvault6951 The LeBron left Cleveland argument is getting old. LeBron left Cleveland in 2010 when the CELTICS BIG 3 were still dominant in the East. LeBron left a Cavs team that wasn't drafting well because they were winning 50-60 games, had has been players like Big Z Shaq Antwan Jamison and Ben Wallace on the team and didn't really have a supporting cast outside of Mo Williams who LeBron made an All Star...The Cavs didn't have much trade capital to get another superstar and lets be real...who wants to go to CLEVELAND to win a championship when you can go to NY Miami LA or the Bulls to contend for a championship AND get more endorsement dollars to make up for what you're not making on the team. LeBron goes to Miami to play for a chip and Cleveland is left to rebuild. They get Dion Waiters (is he still in the league? No) Kyrie, Tristan Thompson (meh) Anthony Bennett (they passed up Giannis for this draft bust as the 1st pick of the draft) and Andrew Wiggins (mid). Bron goes back to Cleveland and wins a ring and has been in the finals repeatedly. He had to leave the team he didn't want to leave not only to win but for the team to actually get talented players and trade pieces and Cleveland couldn't even get that right!
Just goes to show you if you are on the internet doesn’t mean your word means jack 💩💩💩💩
I learned that just because you were born, doesn't mean your life means jack, Brad.
It all makes sense now. Dude is the front runner for LA Head Coaching position
Great show soon 1m subs