Nightwish, Perfume of The Timeless - A Classical Musician’s First Listen and Reaction
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2024
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I promised to return to Nightwish, and this time I chose their newest single. I could clearly see it has been written by the same composer who enjoys Disney Music.
Here’s the link to the original song:
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Hello again. I'm glad you returned to Nightwish, now without expectations :) and I think you "captured" quite well the image of what Nightwish is NOW. Because it's an evolution here, of more than a quarter of a century compared to their first album, from 1997. The integration of the instrumentation specific to classical music in a metal composition is so carefully done that it feels natural. And yes, Tuomas Holopainen's inclination towards film music scores and classic Disney productions is obvious.
Also, a very good observation about Floor Jansen's voice, here not as prominent as in other songs, because I understand that the composer's intention was for her voice to "melt" in the chorus in this song. It is a unique voice, in which her native talent has been chiseled for more than 2 decades through dedication and hard work.
The male voice at the end is that of Troy Donockley, a British singer and multi-instrumentalist, here in contrast to Floor's voice, giving to the same lines in the chorus another, more serious dimension.
I hope you will return to Nightwish, because their repertoire is vast and extremely diverse. Once again, thank you!
A subscriber from Romania.
Are you unconcerned by the fact that the drummer (if it was a real drummer) was playing an extremely basic beat and very simple and basic fills throughout, until the heavy metal section came in? I have been playing drums for 1 1/2 years, and I could learn to play this the first part in about two days. So uncreative to my mind. Simple isn't bad in and of itself, but just to hear that basic drum beat come in after the intro was like hearing something created by a low-paid producer from the 80s. And then after the very brief heavy metal part in the middle, back to the very uncreative drums again. It was a cop-out, it was being lazy - very, very, very lazy to my mind. In the past year or so, I started listening to older Nightwish (tracks without a singer), and one of the things I most like about their songs is that the drummer is technically very good, very creative. But in this song, it sounds like they have a different drummer - or that there is no drummer and the percussion is just programmed by some producer who hates music.
@@Marnee4191 If you really know the band, I'm sure you know Kai Hahto and you know what he can do. You can call him in many ways, I think, but not uncreative.
This song consistently followed a theme, and all the band members submitted to this theme - it's typical Nightwish, in my opinion, to leave individualism aside. The breakdown really starts as "metal", but by the end of the section it becomes a real metal-orchestral-choral mashup, on top of which Floor's voice is superimposed - this is very creative for me, it reminds me a bit of the ending of "Master Passion Greed", where all the instruments of the band (except the drum) gave way to the symphony orchestra. I saw myself flying with that eagle, if you understand me.
I understand you only in the sense that you started from some expectations that did not materialize.
@@Marnee4191 I have a request. Play it, record it, let us hear it.
@@gabriel.bardac I wouldn't say I "really know the band" since I only discovered them a year or so ago, and they have a lot of material. My only expectation is that a band that is not a basic rock band avoids basic rock band drumming. If I'd never heard the band before, I'd have the same criticism. I was just also wondering if it were even the same drummer. I hate most basic rock because of the lame drumming. It's not that the drummers are doing something wrong. That is what basic rock calls for. It's the reverse, I hate basic rock because it calls for basic drumming. I just don't expect basic drumming in a song like this. And since it had it, it sounded cheesy and like they didn't put a lot of thought into it. The percussion part doesn't have to be a ton of strikes, faster, or "heavier" to be creative.
@@gabriel.bardac I just figured out that I'm an idiot. I was thinking of the band Night Verses, not Nightwish. (I do have a VERY bad memory for names.) That doesn't really change my opinion on this song, but it at least explains why this was a surprise for me.
The music video has several sound effects, such as thunder, flapping wings, winding clock, whales, underwater sounds etc. They are not in the actual song, which btw is also available at Nightwish's UA-cam channel. Edit: Direct link: ua-cam.com/video/uDAN9F3YkpI/v-deo.html
It's actually interesting hearing this song without music video because it's so immersive.... music as it is
If you want to listen to the music only, the track is available sans sound effects. Without looking at the video, the sound effects - not on the actual recording - have added confusion.
The thing about people calling Tuomas "Mozart" is that most them probably have pretty limited knowledge of Mozart's actual music, and in their minds his name is just a huge compliment, which they use without really thinking about the implications it has for a classically trained musician. Just like when people say that Floor sings "operatically", what they actually mean is "She's had some classical training and mixes some of those techniques with her otherwise very contemporary style". I personally find a lot of Nightwish's music really beautiful, but I think people who oversell the band really do them a disservice overall.
Hi, 74 years old hippie from the Netherlands =Floor, Irene, Simone, Anneke, Dianne, Charlotte, Sharon, Marcella, Joost(LUL) & Arjen(Ayreon) Country= reporting in: According to Floor's own words, she has 1 year Opera training in addition to Musical Theater. She did this after graduating the Rock Academy. 🤘
I think it’s important to remember, at its core, NW is a rock/metal band. They are what they are-not trying to be a symphony in itself. They have successfully incorporated beautiful elements of classical music within a metal context…and not the other way around.
Glad you have returned to Nightwish but even if not a reaction it is so worth watching the music video to this song. It is magnificent.
I'm pleased to see you return to Nightwish as this genre of music should be a natural home for classical musicians.
Yes, Tuomas is very much a movie sound track kind of guy. If he had chosen that musical path for a career, we would probably be talking about him in the same context as other, well known sound track composers.
Tuomas is very much a poet as well as a musician. We should always keep in mind that English is his second language and that Finnish bears very little resemblance to other European languages. To have that skill and vocabulary at his command in so different a second language is extraordinary.
Those complex words are never tossed in a Nightwish song just because they sound good. They always are there for very specific, poetic reasons. The use of "Tesserea of the deceased" is a good example as these small tiles of Roman mosaics, were used to make grand images. The term also plays to the insignificance of our existence as no Roman walking over a mosaic floor would ever give a thought to a single, ordinary block in that mosaic. We are all just very small blocks in a much grander picture and that grand picture is just an ordinary floor. Insignificance piled on top of insignificance.
You made me laugh when you heard Troy's voice at the end, saying that you didn't think it was Floor. She can actually growl deeper than Troy was singing, so you never know with her. Floor's greatest strength is that of a storyteller and she probably has very few equals in that skill in contemporary music. She has this ability to select the textures and colours to convey the story of the song. You would have to listen to dozens of her songs to begin to appreciate her vocal and storytelling range. She has the ability to sound like a totally different singer from what you heard here. You can be assured that the tone and textures she used here were very deliberately chosen. She was singing like the lead in a choir of ghosts.
I'd recommend a couple of UA-cam videos for you to watch on your own time, in order to get a better understanding of Tuomas Holopainen and his abilities.
"All the Works of Nature that Adorn the World" ua-cam.com/video/RnOdQ5WNZJk/v-deo.html is where Tuomas flexes his movie score muscles. It's strictly orchestral with only Troy and Floor contributing small parts. Incidentally, many Nightwish songs have UA-cam videos composed solely of the orchestral backing tracks performed by the session musicians of the London Philharmonic Orchestra. You would probably find those interesting as well.
The other video is Episode 8 of the make of "Endless Forms Most Beautiful" where the relationship between Nightwish and the orchestra is explored. ua-cam.com/video/r0ivbQz3IGI/v-deo.html It's a short video in a larger documentary and well worth the watching.
Nice to see you back . . .
I neglected to mention that the "All the Works of Nature" video was produced by a Nightwish fan and is not officially a Nightwish product, though apparently they were very impressed by his efforts.
I am a classical musician, I play in an orchestra and man I would love to play All the Works of Nature. Might be a tough sell for all the classical musicians and audience who have never heard of Nightwish though.
The male voice is Troy Donockley, the English multi-instrumentalist in the group - he wasn't on the Ghost Love Score track you watched - his speciality is Uilleann pipes and whistles, but he also plays guitars and bouzoukis.
He doesn't play Ice Hockey...
Hello again
Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to have a second look at my favourite band
This was most instructive, as was your first look at their music 😊
The "weird sounds" will make sense if you watch the music video, which is pretty good, beautiful and interesting.
Edit: Oh and the male voice is Troy, I'm pretty sure. He seems to be the jack-of-all-instruments in the band.
The "Metal Mozart" thing is unfairly misleading sometimes. It's simply the double "M" that makes the nickname catchy, and alludes to symphonic and classically inspired metal. Tuomas is also heavily inspired by Disney and movie scores, which lends the epic quality to Nightwish's music that you mentioned.
Id love to see you react to Greatest Show on Earth (live in Wembely or Tampere), Gethsemane (Live Buenos Aires - Bach vibes on that one - Tuomas wrote this song when he was 21), or maybe the 30 minute, 8-movement classical suite, All the Works of Nature Which Adorn the World, which Tuomas composed while Floor was on maternity leave. You've only just scratched the surface on the incredible musical brain of Tuomas and the talent of the band members. It would be such a shame for you to let them pass you by given that their discography spans 28 years. Vlad - i beg you to take notes on my comments and bring Amy back to Nightwish again as soon as you possibly can. Greetings from Nightwish Army Wales UK. Hugs to you both
i concur
I concur
Far better put than me. I do agree with you though.
I was about to make similar comment, very well put.
From my perspective ’Mozart’ is simply used by non-classical folk as a byword for classical music.
Thomas composes metal music influenced by classical music; with time signature and key changes, more complex chord progressions and use of classical instruments. choice and
And I think that "Metal Mozart" just rhymes much better than "Metal Vivaldi" or even "Metal Holopainen" :D
Wow. Well, That was unexpected. !
Kudos to you,for setting your preconceptions, and first impressions according to that aside, and being able to give it a fresh listen. ❤
It takes a big Human to not just hold into your earlier views and rights to think like you did, feeling offended or superior. But to set that aside. Forgetabout it. And start anew. Give it a fresh go. Being humble is the strongest superpower in all men. And women. Imho.
Respect. ❤
Thanks for returning to Nightwish, Amy. When I first saw the thumbnail for your reaction to "Ghost Love Score", I said to myself, "No, it's too early". Now that you have a more extensive understanding of rock music in general, I think you did a fine job in interpreting the Tuomas's musical intentions in this new song. I love Nightwish. They are my favorite active band. However, from my personal experience, they are not for everybody. Some people think they are one of the top bands ever (like me). Others hate them. Many just go "meh". I've come to accept that, while Nightwish speaks to some people very deeply, not everyone is able to (or willing to) fully embrace them. Again, I hope you check out more of their music because, whether they are your cup of tea or not, the perspective that you bring is always interesting and instructive, so it is valuable to me.
Hello, 74 year old hippie from the Netherlands =Floor, Irene, Simone, Anneke, Dianne, Charlotte, Sharon, Joost(LUL) & Arjen(Ayreon) Country= reporting in: Very nice response.. Regarding the NOT common English words. .. For the Nightwish fans it is very normal, in the last 10 years because of the topics referred to in the songs, a lot of Latin and scientific vocabulary is used, so we are used to it and yes, it does get you educated …!!! Have a look at the video, it does clarify some of the questions you might have ... Shine on...🤘
If you watch the official video, you see that it opens with a brief review of how many people it took to create you...4,094 ancestors over the past 400 years. Then it beckons you to consider the hopes, dreams, trials, struggles, love stories, and hopes for the future of all who came before you. "You are the dream of many ancestors." This was the core concept Tuomas worked to transform into music. His success, as with all artists, is a matter of the beholder's response.
Before the release of the video, Tuomas stated during an interview that the entirety of the new Nightwish album would discuss topics that constantly left him in awe. This is just the first amuse-bouche of what may turn out to be a musical repast.
I think your interpretation is precisely what Tuomas was going for. Well done!
Great reaction, Amy! I am a fan of Nightwish and enjoy symphonic metal as a musical genre. I'm glad you have circled back to give them a second listen. I subscribed to your channel early on to get your honest opinions on what you hear and you have not disappointed me. There is an official video with this new release and it is amazing how accurately you described the story while listening to the music.
Excellent analysis and describes the accompanying video well, thank you Amy.
Now can't wait to see and hear your interaction with the Daily Doug :)
You speak of the vocabulary. You must remember this is written by a Finn. As for your dismissal of NIghtwish when you first listened. Well, you have come a long way on your rock journey, and I think that back then you did not know how to listen to this stuff. If you want to hear Floor raw and unprocessed, you should listen to her performance of Shallow on the Dutch TV show Beste Zangers. It still has all of this quality.
As my son used to always say to me, when his type of music was blaring out of his bedroom, mum, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't good 😊
Thanks for the 2nd look. I knew you would find them more interesting after getting some experience and discarding the horrible tag of "Metal Mozart." The male voice is Troy Donockley, the multi-instrumentalist and 2nd vocalist of Nightwish.
Nice you discovered Nightwish. Thank you for that.
One reaction is not enough to discover this band.
Look out for the lirics, often with a message.
I am a huge Mozart and Beethoven fan - and NW all day. Not to speak about Floor. She is classical trained but no opera singer, one of the very best vocalist in many respects of our time and by the way one of the most humble persons. We NW-fans love Floor.
I bet, she could sing opera if she puts some effort to it. But now she is our Valkyrie Goddess. Should remain that way.
Listening to this without the accompanying video lends to confusion about the lyrics choices.
I think she got the message perfectly. So did I, I deliberately listened a few times before watching the video. Music should and does stand on its own. Te video is amazing, yes, but the music by otself is art. And Amy basically never does videos. To let my imagination and attention work, I prefer to listen first, before watching.
Well..... Amy returns to Nightwish. This should be interesting after last time 😂 Id love to see Amy react to Gethsemane (Live at Buenos Aires).... or All the Works of Nature Which Adorn the World
And see if she discovers Tuomas' variation on Bach's Toccata in D.....
It's the first time I see her YT video. A big no thank you to me. I certainly won't see anything of her. She probably makes the viewer more foolish
The male vocal is Troy who is a multi instrumentalist within the band
I think returning to Nightwish is a good decision - the expectations were sky-high on the first one, and the fanbase was quite vocal about it, but I have seen you grow as a metal reactor through the last months, and I am sure that you will do justice to the song - and be able to handle the reactions.
Some people will have constructive critique, others will just hate - but all in all, the community and you will probably get along quite well :-D.
EDIT: The Mozart-thing was not YOUR mistake! It just usually does not happen that this reference collides with someone who actually could tell the difference between a Mozart, a Bach or a Beethoven - and why Mozart was special even among them.
AFTER_EDIT: Great Reaction!!! I would love to see you go on with Nightwish. Not so much to see how you like them, but because I am sure you can add something I did not yet know. Subsciption from me :).
Nightwish fan here. Thank you for an interesting analysis of the music. I can se your body language and facial expressions that this is not up your alley. Anyhow its interesting to get your take on the music. Cheers from a finn in Sweden.👍😃
Hi there, I just wanted to say thank you so much for coming back again and giving Nightwish another shot. I personally enjoyed the reaction and found it interesting to hear your take on it. Kind Regards from the UK
Amy is visibly struggling to say something positive. Seem to remember the original review was something like "about 10 Disney movies, all threaded together" should've added "… and not the comedies".
You read the start of the piece very well
You may watch the music video and smile contently 😎
The male voice at the end is Troy, the band’s multi instrumentalist, as well as some vocals
She's not capable to smile.
No need to be mean
What ? She never stops smiling !
Nightwish fan here, and I was not put off by your first impression. I appreciate a viewpoint from someone who is more knowledgeable about music than myself. I think Floor is a generational vocal talent - she can sound like anything, really. Her range is outstanding both in terms of octaves and styles. I suggest the live version of Disdain that she performed with her pre-Nightwish group, ReVamp. That song showcases her belting, operatic, and coarse (growls) skills. Her performance of Romanticide with Nightwish (also live) shows her operatic, belt, and pop styles, as well as a, to me, breathtaking final vocal slide. Thank you for your insights!
When compared to the current crop of American singers running around, Nightwish is refreshing and unafraid to plumb the depths of creativity. Thanks for trying them again. In the words of a famous European - Henk Poort - "Good Music Is Good Music".
Floor is better than any American singer right now. Maybe James Maynard Keenan is an exemption but nobody else.
@@coolgabe64 100% agree, and I am an American. Floor Jansen has more than earned her place and respect worldwide. Not only for her stage presence, but her off-stage humility as well. Very, very few artists can match IMO...
Good to see you return to Nightwish, since your first exposure was very early in your rock journey, and was tainted by being promoted as the Metal Mozart, to a classical musician who knows her Mozart. I like the idea of you staying current with the new releases of well known bands. It will also help you to participate in what the larger reaction community is experiencing at the same time. I'm glad I got to see it first with your reaction, when I watched it yesterday on Patreon. I actually had my fist experience with Nightwish themselves when I saw your first reaction very early in your journey. At the time I was also disappointed, but only because you were new to your rock journey and I wanted your initial focus to be the classic rock roots. I have since watched and heard a fair amount of Nightwish, and I have really grown to enjoy and appreciate their music. I have even recommended you return to them and react to "The Greatest Show on Earth", which is even more epic than this one. And being a bit like a Disney film score is not a negative with me, since I like a lot of the Disney film scores.
After I watched your reaction on Patreon yesterday, I have since watched the reaction on the Daily Doug (looking forward to your interview with him tomorrow). It was in his reaction that I first saw the video of the song. I'm glad you didn't watch the video first, since now you can see how much your interpretation is inline with their/his (Tuomas) vision in the video. Which shows his/their skill in presenting the vision through the music alone. When I first heard it on your Patreon my initial thought was that it reminded me of "The Greatest Show on Earth", and that was before you said it sounds like the origins of the world, which is very much the theme in the Greatest Show.
Mozart is overrated. Ludwig and JS Bach was so much better.
I think you have two options, either you stop touching Nightwish or you listen more to them. I personally like all kinds of music, mostly opera and violin concertos, but also a lot of Nightwish. Their music has the drama of classical operas. Based on two videos, it's impossible to really say anything about them, their music is so diverse. The expression on your face said a lot about your prejudices. There were...
I LOVE your channel and the most disappointing thing was your first reaction to Nightwish at the beginning. It was sad that you were set up with those Mozart expectations and not just able to listen to it for what it is without that. So glad you gave them another chance and hope to see more Nightwish on your channel.
It's been a while since your first Nightwish reaction and you've clearly evolved as a "YT reaction" person, now actively looking for the interesting and positive parts of a song.
I found your first Nightwish reaction very interesting and refreshing.
Of course the total ignorance of pop/rock/metal gave an amusing view, but I really appreciated your honest and unapologizing criticism.
That this apparently still hurts tender feelings of some Nightwish fans, is strangely not that surprising watching many quite fanatic reactions on related videos.
I understand that after all those reaction videos (I've watched them regularly and have seen them evolving), you now give a more polished reaction. That's natural.
But please don't "evolve" too much.
The most interesting art, critiques, opinions, etc. will always cause some conflicting response.
Now that you've enjoyed quite a bit of pop/rock/metal, so can appreciate that part more as well, I'm really interested in your opinion of some "true" symphonic metal as the marriage of metal and classical music.
I think 2 good (and very different) examples are:
Chasing the dragon by Epica, where the orchestration is more that just an atmospheric layer of string music, similar for the choir, and the metal part goes through various tempo changes.
ua-cam.com/video/RL6Yjg-5es8/v-deo.html&t
Eppur si muove by Haggard, title song of a concept album about Galileo Galilei. The "symphonic" part is classical music with medieval and renaissance influences.
ua-cam.com/video/HsDYsnzjIN0/v-deo.html
I'm sure that when they perform this song live it's gonna be awesome.
EDIT: Listen to the acoustic version of "How's the heart?"- You'll see Troy and Floor singing together. It is beautiful.
2nd EDIT: A perfume is something beautiful yet ephemeral.
If you watch the music video the music makes more sense.
Well done! I think you pretty much explained what Tuomas composed. BTW he got the moniker Metal Mozart not because his pieces are like Mozart’s. His thought processes are like Mozart’s in that he composes the music in his head as he writes the lyrics rather than noodling it out on a piano. He’s very poetic and yes, if he’s writing about older eras then he will throw in some words that I sometimes have to look up. Such as, “eudaimonia”, which the song does have the correct pronunciation. This is the first time I listened along with a reactor without the video. A nice learning process. I hope you watch the video. It’s very entertaining. To me, Floor’s voice is very special. She can sing any genre with a color in her voice that I don’t hear in most singers. If you would like to hear what Tuomas can do with a full orchestra without Nightwish and with his wife as the singer, then I suggest “A Lifetime of Adventure”. 😄🤘 ua-cam.com/video/JWwSVOo5K_k/v-deo.html
Nightwish uses full orchestra too and there is orchestral versions of albums too and instrumental versions. That Scrooge album is beautiful too.
@@lekalla Yep. That's how he creates his backing tapes for their live performances.
@@skeezesmith7954 Yes the orchestral versions are basically the orchestral track only which is also in the full version but you can hear it way better of course.
Wonderful reaction Amy! I really enjoyed it a lot! Now you have a greater understanding of modern popular music your reactions ( the expressions on your face) are more nuanced, varied and complex. You have a great combination of intuition and knowledge that makes your reactions very rich and rewarding to watch and listen to.
I think many of us don't hate a reactor that doesn't like a song.
Most of us value honesty. Instead, flattery is repugnant.
Well, to appreciate Floors voice in full, I would point to the various live recordings of Nightwish shows, here on UA-cam. Where you also can get a sense of the overall live experience that the band provides.
I see it as when someone leaves, but you can smell their scent, their perfume, it's what remains. And in many ways we are what remains of our ancestors.
I think you might enjoy songs from their previous album, like music, shoemaker, how's the heart. Harvest is more folk not still had this movie score feeling too it and troy is singing the main vocals, the guy that was also singing at the end of this song.
I think Metal Mozart comes from the classical elements and the operatic singing of their first singer,... I think it just sounded fun. Even though some may really think that way..
I like that Tuomas doesn't follow the modern day expectation of song structures all the time, he does what feels right in his mind, for what he envisions. And yes, I think he does set his music up to be more of a score to his vision, not necessarily to fit what plays best on a radio station.
Hi I'm glad you reacted to Nightwish again, I wish you like this one 🙂
Edit: I knew it! Thank you, you totally got it.
You should see the video though, I think you will like it
Oh, coming back to Nightwish, hmm?
Hey, I'm a bit late, but congratulations on your UA-cam award! 133K now.
Yes, as a musician, you were expecting actual Mozart, forgetting that some people have never actually heard any of that.
Glad that you are not distracted by the visuals.
Another mammal singing :)
Origins... beginning...
Bird of prey calling, made your eyes light up.
Nice to see the audio at the lower edge of the screen.
Organised cross rhythm, interesting "footsteps". (You wouldn't like the visuals!).
You caught the repeat on the piano, then the vocals too.
Love how you explain the real musical vocabulary construction.
Oh, you have the lyrics: Eudaimonia, sometimes anglicized as eudaemonia or eudemonia, is a Greek word literally translating to the state or condition of *'good spirit',* and which is commonly translated as *'happiness'* or 'welfare'.
Tuomas getting us to look things up... the best way to learn.
Could be accused of being pretentious, but I don't think it is, he thinks differently from most of us.
Texture of Floors voice, I love how she changes it, interesting as it has substance and character.
Troys warm whispering voice, Tuomas playing with the sound of words. "Airdust"!
The other mammal again, as in the end of Star Trek Voyager :)
We are insignificant, ephemeral, but precious. "We are stardust" Thanks Joni.
From a Disney fan to us, it creates images in our head.
Singers sing what they can, Floor sings what she wants ❤once she sang the phonebook in a Dutch radioshow ❤and It sound like a real song ❤her voice just touch your soul and grab your heart ❤she is one of a kind ❤our Valkyrie queen❤ She can sing like an angel and growl like a deamon ❤and its no autotune here❤just pure talant❤
You may also enjoy the gorgeous video that goes along with this song. I love Nightwish and glad you are revisiting them!
It took you a long time but you finally managed to show a fair, unbiased reaction to a song of one of my absolute favourite bands. Unlike your first attempt at such an endeavour, the opinion presented in this video seemed neither narrow-minded nor pretentious to me and I appreciate that.
I admit that I too have left many unfair, biased and extremely narrow-minded negative reviews on countless other videos on your channel in response to your first video on Nightwish (No text - just thumbs down). As you have now managed to rehabilitate yourself in my eyes, I am finally embarking on my own rehabilitation and will view your posts with much more favour in the future.
I apologise for my previous presumptuous and unfair behaviour.
Eudaemonia is a Greek word which basically means "happiness". In the lyrics it's likely a reference to Aristotle and his use of the word as the best state for human to be in or something like that.
I am a Nightwish fanboy.
I found your reaction/analysis of 'Ghost Love Score' extremely likable.
There were many things you said I would argue to you, 'course.
But you didn't honey any pill and you didn't say a single lie.
I take honesty over complacency any day of the week... even for my favorite bands.
HI! I'm a big Nightwish fan and, even though I didn't fully appreciate your video about the band at the time for obvious reasons, I decided to follow you anyway. I recognized your musical analysis skills and thought that your critical approach in that case was simply a bit wrong, you were expecting Mozart and you ended up with Disney.
Indeed Tuomas Holopainen, the leader of Nightwish, is a great fan of soundtracks and the world of Disney. It is no coincidence that he made a solo album dedicated to the Scrooge McDuck saga written by Don Rosa. Its mastery of mixing completely different genres, combined with the versatility of singer Floor Jansen, makes Nightwish a truly special band.
Changing the subject, Pink Floyd, it would be interesting, in the future, to hear your opinion on older works, perhaps something on albums like "Dark Side of the Moon", one of the most important works of the last century.
Welcome back to Nightwish, songs that come immediately to mind for you are
Music
Procession
Shoemaker
All the Works of Nature that Adorn the World
The Greatest Show on Earth.
If you decide to continue?
🤘😎🤘
Very well done analysis, i never thought to watch you reacting to Nightwish again, and enjoying it ;)
So i repeat my suggestions for you to react to too,
"The Greatest Show on Earth", please use a live version with lyrics on screen. In this song the Band / Composer shows a very well put together story from the origins of earth until today, and one small view ahead
i prefer the 2015 live in Tampere version
That song is over, when the screen blanks out (21 minutes+). You will watch the ending of the entire show which is the whole song.
Second is
"All the works of nature that adorns the world"
this is labeled as "Nightwish", but in fact it is only Tuomas Holopainen, Troy Donockley and Floor in the ending that you will find in there. ...+ the London Philharmonics and Choirs
you need to watch the musicvideos, not only listen on Headphones to a track.
this "Song" is 31minutes ;) but time flows away very fast
I've been listening to this song on repeat and I didn't notice the piano thing until I watch this mind blowing reaction
Nightwish dont dissapoint "did you feel the ghost energy song"
I listened to this song maybe 50 times by now, and it is one i like to listen to with my headphones or without, its really a good song, when i can do so to me.
Some say Floors voice is low in the mix, and i can agree its hard to get all words she sing, but if you look at it soundwise it sounds amazing!! and after a listen or 2, you know most of lyrics, and its no problem at all, its done fully on purpose for the sound experince of it..
cant wait for rest of album!!
Yesterwynde is the opening track on new album, i belive its only like a intro, its a little over 2 min long, #2 on album then is a almost 10 min song, thats proberly another epic!! #3 is where i think they bring in a heavy track, and this Perfume of the timeless is #5.. so i think its gonna be a good mix of heavy songs, Epics, and maybe a full balled..
Perfume of the timeless, well its almonst a ghost energy song right, telling all these ancestors is perfume around in a timeless world, being around you still, also a message that your existens matters!! i feel tuomas also put in a little message that mankind could do better still, Einstein turn to ape..
The title of the album is a word made by band member Troy Donockley, which Holopainen describes as the feeling of time, history, memory, and being connected to past generation, who have "all had their lives, their ups and downs, and they don't exist anymore, except as atoms scattered all over the universe. And we're going to be in that state pretty soon as well. So that should give you something to think about."
Holopainen has described the album as being about humanism, history, and the inspiration thereof, and that outlook of the album is positive and optimistic ]
Track listing
Yesterwynde: release date 20th September 2024
All tracks are written by Tuomas Holopainen.
Yesterwynde track listingNo. Title Length
1. "Yesterwynde" 2:43
2. "An Ocean of Strange Islands" 9:26
3. "The Antikythera Mechanism" 5:55
4. "The Day of..." 4:34
5. "Perfume of the Timeless" 8:11
6. "Sway" 4:23
7. "The Children of 'Ata" 5:37
8. "Something Whispered Follow Me" 6:39
9. "Spider Silk" 6:26
10. "Hiraeth" 6:14
11. "The Weave" 4:53
12. "Lanternlight" 6:06
Total length: 71:07
I thoroughly enjoyed this video, thank you Amy for your intelligent analysis of the piece! Yes, for me, too, this song is somehow 'cold'.. like a grand view at an arms length, a soundtrack in its essence. There is one Nightwish song, however, that never fails to grab my insides emotionally.. it is stellar symphonic metal and yet it has this warmth and intimacy to it that I feel in my guts and bones. It draws heavily from the deep depths of traditional melancholic Finnish folk music. Less Disney, less a movie soundtrack; more like a hymn with poetic lyrics at its core sung by Marko Hietala, a metal singer and bass player who worked with Nightwish for 20 years but a couple of years ago moved on to a solo career. I warmly recommend the final track called 'Endlessness' from Nightwish's previous album 'Human :II: Nature' (official lyric video).
You should watch the music video of this song!!!!
YES
To hear the warmth of Floor’s voice, I would suggest “Our Decades in the Sun”
Hi Virgin Rock, nice to se you wanted to give Nightwish a second chance. As you noticed the music IS cinematic. Actually it not designed as just music, but as as an audio-visual experience. From your perspective I can see you wanted to focus on just the music, but the music is only half the story. Funnily enough, on several occasions you managed to describe the pictures that belonged to the music, without seeing the video. Glad this time you found more interesting moments in the music than last time. Their music way more diverse than most modern band. Floor can sing like an angel and growl like a demon in another track...and she does. This track is the first release of the 3rd album of a trilogy in this very theme: We are all here for shear dumb luck that our ancestors all survived their evolutionary struggle and managed to reproduce on a planet that happened to be able to sustain live, were so much could have gone wrong...but did not.
Enjoyed your analysis, your thoughts at the start were spot on it is about evolution. Hope you do more nightwish in the future. Thankyou.
Thanks for the reaction Amy. Very enjoyable. Think you might like looking into Everybody Dies, from Ayreon. It's a rock opera by Arjen Anthony Lucassen and features many great musicians and vocalysts from the rock/metal genre, including Floor Jansen from Nightwish.
Or The Day that the World Breaks Down, with the video with commentary. Amy doesn't seem to be one for live performances because she has more interest in the composition than the performance aspect.
So you listened to the music video audio but didn't watch it?
Yes. I rarely watch the video simply because I want to focus on the music.
@@VirginRockThe special sound effects make only sense with the video, they are not in the album version.
@@VirginRock Unfortunately they decided to add extra sound effects to the music video that only make sense if you see the video. I would have personally preferered the music video to not have extra sound effects but I guess marketing decided otherwise. The music video also had technically a bit worse than even free Spotify account.
Whatever guard you have up, when Floor's voice comes in she cut's thru it like a fresh sharpened butcher knife and get's you right into your soul and while your bleeding out you feel satisfied.
I was sooo nervous, cause I love Nightwish and your channel, so that first video was painful... Thank you for this. I'm glad you were more open-minded now and had a much better experience.
You listened to the music video's audio, which has some sound effects that belong to the video, not the song. I expected that you would not watch the video, but it's surprising that you ended up with the video's audio. The song by itself does not have the thunder crackling, the wingbeats, footsteps, sounds of water/bubbles.
I love how you pointed out the musical theme of the verses being foreshadowed, and that you got the message of the whole song so clearly :)
Have you ever listened to Ghost Love Score's album version? I know you prefer to review studio versions and no videos, do not let us Nightwish fans bully you into changing that if concert videos just feel weird to you :)
This was actually a second time I watched Your listen/reaction for this song. I really like Your approach to different songs and that You are not shy to comment if there is something that You don´t like. At the end when You break down what thoughts the line "The Perfume of the Timeless" and the song in general gives to You I think You are spot on. To me, it´s humbling, it's mind blowing thought and it´s also giving this "I am a precious" vibe. I would recommend from their previous album, "Human :II: Nature" a song called "Shoemaker". You could dive into Floor Jansen´s voice more. She does some...well, You have to listen it. ;-)
Outstanding reaction. Tuomas is more the Hans Zimmer of metal with a taste of Richard Wagner if he had electricity and computers…..
You learned an important lesson. Never pay too much attention to semi-organized fandoms. Tuomas Holopainen is a talented composer but obviously not Mozart. If a comparison must be made I'd suggest a lesser known romantic or one of the Baltic minimalists or a cinematic composer. He admires Hans Zimmer.
I'll just point out that much of what you seem to like in this piece is right there in Ghost Love Score.
As you explore more NW, especially live, you’ll see Floor has many vocal qualities she uses for the feel of each song and lyrical expression.
I'm not familiar with Nightwish but I especially enjoyed your description of the singer's voice.
There is the acoustic version of song called How's The Heart where you can here it clearly: ua-cam.com/video/yYtkPpFYzOo/v-deo.html
@@IlkkaPrusi OMG... this should be required listening for anyone looking to explore the breadth of Nightwish music. And, Troy sings again... and plays the guitar.
The voice you asked for at around the 21 minutes mark is Troy Donockley. He is the multiinstrumentalist who play all kind of instrument from Uillean Pipes (a sort of Irish bagpipe) all kinds of flutes, guitars, etc. and he sings also (mainly background)
Fancy words - they make the listeners to find out meaning, perhaps learning😁
I enjoyed this one. Even more, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
According to Google Translate, eudaemonia is Greek (and so is probably an anglicisation of the actual Greek word) and translates to bliss or felicity or blessedness. I discovered Nightwish last year (aged 70) and liste to them most days now. Glad you've returned to them.
The male voice is band member Troy who also plays multiple instruments.
I think this song needs the video for a better understanding. If it wasn’t too much to ask, could you, if it won’t disrupt your schedule, make a reaction to the clip? We would greatly appreciate!
IF you are interested in both Floors voice and the male voice, I recommend to listen to How's the Heart acoustic version.
I think most people could not understand this music without the video. But somehow you got the gist of it. It is about your place in the grand scheme of evolution, life and the history of earth. You are the result of all the hopes and dreams of at least 4000 ancestor generations. If you want to dive into Nightwish, the only masterpiece I found is The Poet and the Pendulum (live at Wembley 2016). I am not a metal fan, so the rest is good, but a bit noisy because, well metal. The Poet and the Pendulum is the only song where form is subjugated to emotional content in my opinion.
I believe you got everything Tuomas wanted you to feel and think about.
Nightwish also have some purely instrumental songs, which I think has influences the idea of Toumas being a composer rather than simply a "song writer". It'd be super interesting to hear you reacting to the song Imaginaerum for instance! Arabesque is also a good one. The last 8 songs of the HUMAN NATURE album are also more calm instrumental/orchestral, but I don't know how well they would translate into a reaction (maybe "All The Works Of Nature Which Adorn The World - Anthropocene" could be interesting). I guess they fall under the "film score" cathegory.
Then there are of course the grand symphonic journeys of "Poet and The Pendulum" (studio version with second singer Anette, or live with Floor) and "Greatest Show on Earth" (with Floor) 🥹🥰
Since you didn't find Floor's voice operatic, it would be interesting to hear you react to the first singer Tarja. She at least should sound operatic to you, who who knows? She is a classically trained opera singer, however "metallized" her voice becomes to suit the music of course. The most popular option is Phantom of the opera (OFFICIAL LIVE) but the old live recordings with Tarja aren't great and the nuances in the instruments can't be properly heard, so I recommend the old album versions. For instance Stargazers, Wanderlust or Dark Chest of Wonders would be cool!
Good to know if you happen to react to Imagenaerum is that it's the last song of the album and includes parts from the others songs, as to tie it all up. So maybe it could be perceived as a bit disjointed, but it is fully orchestral which is an interesting contrast as the songs normally have "metal instruments" as well, but this doesn't.
Your reaction was enjoyable and spot on from beginning to end. I prefer the early period of Nightwish and if there is to be another Nightwish reaction, I really hope you try the earlier work and the first singer, Tarja, who has a big, dark, warm, classical voice. I would recommend Gethsemane from the album Oceanborn (very "classical" composition.) Pharaoh sails to Orion (live from the Wishes to Eternity concert), Stargazers (album version, also Oceanborn), Deep Silent Complete (from Wishes to Eternity concert or Wishmaster album) or Dead Boy's Poem (from Wishes to Eternity Concert or Wishmaster Album) or for something totally different Passion and the Opera from the Oceanborn album. Thank you in all cases for giving the band a second chance. The initial disapppointment was also in my opinion due to the version of the song selected: one where the choir cannot be heard and the choir is a critical part of the GLS piece. To appreciate it from a musical standpoint, the studio version or the End of Era version (live) would have been more appropriate.
About Foor's voice, I perceive it to be among other qualities as friendly. And Troy's voice is supremely soothing, just what the end of the song needs.
First time hearing Nightwish .Epic soundtrack that would go well in a cinema or large auditorium. Reminds me a little of Renaissance turned up a few decibels!
Welcome to the rabbit hole. A 28 year discography for you to get into. Try the Greatest Show on Earth (Live at Wembley, or Tampere). The song is from the first of a trio of concept albums (this latest single coming from the forthcoming 3rd of these) talking about the origins of the universe, natural history, life and mankind.
@@davidellinsworth3299 thank you David 👍
@@markwatson6579 no problem. If you listen to more of them let me know what you think. Enjoy
@@davidellinsworth3299 will do
She sings eudaemonia (Latin) = happiness, bliss
Old Greek. Just a detail.
@@armandsimonis7992 Yes, my mistake
Never hear this band before, may be i'm 62 and so old , but i think reacts to bands like Camel ,Tangerine Dream o King Crimson .
Any way as always you are the master of analysing and reactions, the best without a doubt on the entire network.
Keep on rocking ❤
Yes, your reappearance surprises us! I also find the comparison with Mozart completely inappropriate. Mozart had a different audience during his lifetime and his music has a different intention. Your comparison with film music is a good one and Tuomas would not be offended. He probably shakes his head at the comparison with Mozart. The comparison is not wrong in that respect, because you can think about whether film music is the modern development of classical music. Today it has a similar function to classical music at the time it was created, when opera music accompanied performances.
The collection of sounds is the time that passes over generations. The mechanical clock sound makes this clearest. It is easier to see in the video, but also artistically presented. The ancient words fit the past time. There Tuomas also encourages you to think about how many generations existed before you. The perfume is the presence of our ancestors in us.
In Floor's voice you hear the polished diamond, with a wide range of singing techniques. The rough diamond without singing lessons doesn't sound so silvery. The Dutch accent gives the whole thing a softer feel. Other Dutch singers sound similar:
After Forever Silence From Afar
You don't know the singer at the end because you haven't listened to Nightwish any further. Troy comes from Irish folk and is responsible for the folk part of the Nightwish songs:
Nightwish - The Carpenter (Floor Jansen) [Decades - Live In Buenos Aires 2019]
I like music by Nightwish and I did watch your first video and I watched this, too. And I'll watch the next one if you make another reaction to Nightwish.
As I see it, there are two kinds of people in Nightwish fans: those that are nearly religious about the music and take any critique as personal insult, and then there are fans like me who consider it just music and consider honest thoughts more important than giving praise to make fans happy. And pleasing the nearly-religious fans is especially paradox because Nightwish also has song titled Weak Fantasy which is specifically about the con-sides of religious behavior.
All I can ask is giving clear reasoning for your thoughts and I think you did well here.
The only problem with this reaction I can see was that you used the music video audio which did contain sound effects that didn't belong to the original music. In addition, if you used the audio from UA-cam track, it's dynamics and audio quality fell short of the official music. Even the Spotify free account can get higher quality audio for this track.
I'm hoping you react to The Poet and the Pendulum one day. For that I think live Wembley 2015 version is the best because Floor does fabulous job on vocals. The album version has Anette Olzon as the singer and even though she is pretty good singer, too, Floor is much more capable. However, be warned that The Poet and the Pendulum has pretty aggressive musical parts so buckle up. Expect to hear metal musical with very negative lyrics in some parts.
Let me assure you that Floor live sounds quite the same. I heard her last Thursday in a solo concert and that was just awesome. And for this one it was meant to be like this. NW does not do anything without a purpose. Thanx for the well thought reaction.
Just react to their song The Greatest Show On Earth and you will quickly realize that using big words is not something uncommon for Nightwish. HEHE! 😉
The themes of creation, evolution and human destiny increasingly dominate the music and lyrics of Nightwish. It arguably started with "The Greatest Show on Earth" on the "Endless Forms Most Beautiful" album, played a huge role on the "Human Nature" album and it seems to continue on the upcoming album, if this song is any indication.
Did you ever listen to Ghost Love Score studio version? Maybe you could have picked more from that. Anyway. You seem like person that will enjoy these studio versions more. But this version you now listened is not pure studio version, it's a music video version with some sound effect...like the "type writer" you picked...even that it was actually turning owl's head.
Being a Nightwish fan and seeing your comments, especially my very loved Ghost Love Score, i have considered your comments harsh, but precise. I never considered Tuomas like Mozart, and Ghost Love Score it's not an opera. It's a fun song to get energetic with some more complexity that your tipycal commercial music.
You also may considered that Ghost Love it's a song from 2003, one of the first long and more complex songs of the band, but today the band explores more intellectual topics rand expresses with more complexity than in the past. From 2015, they explore themes like the origins of life, humans and the meaning of existence... I will suggest to analyze The Greatest Show on earth to see this type of aong ( and have a more complex structure with chapters)
The male voice at the end is Troy Donockley, who is a multi-instrumentalist. He plays 12 instruments, including Uileann pipes, low and high whistles, Bouzouki, guitar (+electronic bow, e-bow) amongst others. He is from Cumbria in the north west of England
Does he play all of his 12 instruments at the same time while juggling? Cymbals between his legs? 😬
One of the joys of this kind of channel is discovering music you have never heard , it sounds like a gothic horror film score so of course i like it , would be great fun live.
The musicians are very talented. It is very soundtrack oriented to my ears as well (a Pirates of the Carribean battle scene?), derivative of opera, Wagner being the most obvious influence. I'm just not a big fan of opera, I'm glad other people are.
I like Debussy, and that type of music. Space between the notes, opportunities for performers to play with the piece, the tempo, and using notes (blue notes, dissonance, counterpoint) to evokes a multitude of emotions inside of a single piece. This piece feels like it's designed for a specific purpose, which it does well, but doesn't take you on a whirlwind tour, the train is maintaining going in one direction.
A listening suggestion for whomever: Debussy- Sonata for violin and piano (1917), the Allegro vivo. Listen and let your mind wander.
Whoever here! Thanks for the suggestion, Debussy is great. Good points too.
Counter-suggestion: Lacrimosa - Sapphire (the 11 min. version). Nothing to do with the Mozart piece, just some gothic metal with plenty of space between the notes and pretty bad vocals. 😁
Watched your reaction and Doug's reaction back to back. Doug's included the video, which really enhanced the experience. I suggest that Nightwish is not a music performer, but a multi-media band, instead. That said, you got it pretty close without the benefit of the video.
Floor's voice in the chorus is meant to be one of many - there are a great many now-dusty ancestors singing along with her. I think you'd really like the video that accompanies the piece!
It's interesting to speculate on what Mozart would be composing were he to be born into the 21st century, and have access to modern instruments and audio equipment. It might not be symphonic metal, or epic movie soundtracks, but I'm pretty sure it would be quite different from the Mozart we're familiar with.
Glad to see you back in nightwish.
Hope you can continue this wonderful journey.
some preconceptions and bias's are hard for some people to hide,maybe seeing what the professional practicing musicians of the London Philharmonic think of Nightwish ?
I quote Amy about Nightwish, before she said only nice things about all rock - "boring".