Yousef Alshamlan Qualified for the Olympics 🎉
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Kuwaiti fencer Yousef Alshamlan has made history by qualifying for the 2024 Paris Olympics in sabre fencing
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Corruption that infects sports is so saddening
but natural any and every sport is completely corrupted: people cheat by using certain ped, doping, drugs, buying refs, betting organisations fixing matches etc etc it has always been this way and will never change
@@sanane66543 It hasn't always been this way. Sports used to be about the spirit of competition not win by any means.
Look at Las Vegas getting new teams and sports betting. It's all in the money now. No sportsmanship anymore
I feel though it’s mostly fencing. My friends say that the referees aren’t bias in other sports, they’re just annoying. In fencing, the referees are just plain corrupt.
what a surprise, the oil elite want to be the best in elite, high prestige sports, no matter what the cost.
Its even more to it. Participating or even holding out big international sport events are like a recognition of the government. "Our athletes are in the Olympic games" / "You are here with us in our country watching the world cup / Formula 1" ... "therefor you are recognizing us as a country and our government as legitimate."
Sports always have been political.
@@Gentleman...Driveris this what politics?
lol we don’t care much for sports except football here in Kuwait. We’re already elite, provide millions of jobs for hateful expats who still come at will since their useless governments can’t feed their kids. Not many people in Kuwait care for Olympics
Refereeing in saber seriously needs some control
Saber wouldn't be such in a shit state if the meta wasn't just trying to land a hit as fast as possible
As a non-fencer I thought that it was all electronically recorded. I didn't realise referees were still needed.
so did i.
In two of the three weapons (foil and sabre), there are "right of way" rules, which means that if both fencers make contact, the point can go either way depending on who had the right of way (short version: if you are being attacked, you have to defend yourself first before you can attack back). In foil, it causes some problems, but it is a mess in sabre because it happens so incredibly fast and it is very difficult to not get hit if your opponent commits to attacking. This encourages both fencers to be hyper-aggressive in attacking as starting your attack first gives you the right of way. This leads to a LOT of cases of "both electronic lights are on, so the judge has to determine who had right of way"...and a lot of bad (or maybe corrupt?) refereeing.
@abdulkarimelnaas7595that’s not the problem, they use electricity it’s incredibly fast, right of way exists on purpose there are designed time windows for it to be allowed
@abdulkarimelnaas7595 This issue is that it's not about who *hits* first; it's about who had the right to be attacking at that moment. If I start my attack first, you make no attempt to stop me and hit me, and I continue through and hit you, I get the point even though you hit me first, because I had the right of way. On the other hand, if I start attacking first and you parry my attack and hit me back (or I hesitate and briefly stop my attack and you hit me), and I continue on and hit you, it is your point because I lost the right of way.
That's where the judgement comes into it--who started first and was there a pause or a parry or similar--and you can't solve that with electronics. It would need a fundamental change in the basic rules of the sport.
Note that epee does not have right of way rules. If we both hit each other within a certain time frame (the electronics intentionally have a window of time after the first hit where a second is allowed to go through), both of us get a point.
@@Myrr21 right of way is so dumb lmao. wtf is this a parking lot?
2:27 Surprise, Surprise. Coach: Tarantino. Arguably the most reprehensible "sportsman" of Sabre 2 generations ago, followed only by his successor, Ochiuzzi, who holds that title for Sabre 1 generation ago. Alshamlan may be a disgrace, but he is hardly "alone", nor the root of the problem, just a symptom. Reflection of the weakness of the institution and still prevalent vulnerability to bribery and coercion - the latter being an important focal point. I think it would be remiss to say all of these referees are corrupt at the core, but I can only imagine what pressures both for gain / or for consequence, they are under, for a position that is criminally under-compensated to start. It may extend to their federations and private businesses. This is a deep cancer that will not be solved by sacking a few individuals, but may require intervention of the highest level...
Or we could, y'know, just boycott International Sabre - let it go to hell and be the sport of cheaters. Sad stuff. Thanks for your work.
it's so sad. I met Tarantino in person. He treated me and others extremely well. But he wasn't paid enough where he was at the time. I don't condone what he has done on strip or as a coach.
Well said
Wake up honey - it's 2am, time to sit enraptured watching another mini documentary about a person you've never heard of before
I'm not a fencer, but this video showed up randomly in my feed.
It's very sad to see such a noble sport corrupted, in this way. And I don't even understand it unless bribes were involved.
A part of it is the lack of swordplay -- modern foil fencing has been dulled down by electric monitors and lighter equipment that, while making the sport safer, lowers the bar in terms of technique and skill.
@@patrickfrost9405 I can see that. It's just basicly tap the other first instead of actually getting a proper strike in. It's basicly LARP fighting.
there has always been corruption in the sport.. from actual money to referees not liking a nationality or personality conflict...
Ima about to epee 😔
As a HKer, I don’t really get the refereeing standard of his last game.
No one did. It was, if not the most, disgraceful thing in fencing to have watched in recent times.
There's nothing to 'get'. They cheated. HK made the mistake of playing fair in an unfair game. My condolences. Hey, at least you have the legend that is Cheung Ka-Long! :(
They think they can buy everything, but one cannot buy humility and good sportmanship.
he will come against a good fencer with a non biased referee and be knocked out early...
hopefuly he gets golden bagelled ( a score of 15 - 0 ... very embarrassing... for that level of competition... it shows you are fighting way out of your skill level to not even get a point..) ..
something my old club used to laugh about years back... a loss 5 -0 is a bagel.. 15 - 0 a golden bagel.. we woudl use this to make fun of eachother [but of course not in a mean way.. it worked to try to egg you on... wierdly)
I said this on the reddit thread where I originally saw the bout video but I've almost exclusively fenced epee my whole life and even I know that is point left.
Hate from Uruguay
He should be banned from international competitions forever....
sadly.. he wont..as nothing can really be proved it seems... as wierd as that may be.. if (that is a BIG if) he qualifies he will have non biased referees and get knocked out early...
as knowing he has easy referees early on does nothing for his skill level... he will depend on poor refereeing and not get to be a better fencer... if taht makes sense...
could you go into more detail about what the bad calls were? I wanted to be emotionally invested but I have no idea how bad the refs calls were or what was happening 😅
Epee fencing for the win!
lmao!!!
Would it work if all of us complain to the Olympics committee about this?
lets test it
no, don't even try
Nah they are just as corrupt, remember that somalian sprinter on female team that got in through corruption? They do no checks apperantly
In fencing, it is not the one who hits that wins, but the one who pays more. It's no secret that the judges are bought
I hope you don't forget to post a video like this when Saron and Nazlymov are selected for Paris right
What’s wrong with Saron? Sorry i’m new to watching and I don’t know much about him. What did he do wrong?
@@hoel5875 Well it's unfair to say that he "did" anything wrong but it has been proven that he was favored by some referees
Why don't they use video replay just to be sure ? It's affordable and cut all doubt .
Realistically people should be mad the referee/refereeing commitee but this is social media what would I know lol
Wow a dishonorable swordsman in the modern day, here I thought they had died out centuries ago
sadly... plenty of them.. usually weeded out at the state level .. but some do go through to international...
Has it really come as a surprise
Never watched fencing in my life, but this made me seethe. It's like the boxing corruption all over again. The Olympics is becoming a joke. I hope they bring in tv officials for all events
The sword is just as dangerous as him 😵
hope the olympics will decide to disqualify him. it's making their organisation look like a joke
It already is a joke. We shouldn't expect anything.
Punishment, his opponents use real swords
Reminds me of the scandal during the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics where everyone unanimously agreed Kim Yuna deserved gold medal for figure skating but it went to Sotnikova...A Russian, in the Russian Country, ran by Putin.
Remember when fencing used to be sword fighting? It would be an insult to even call it a shell of it's former self.
110% saber fencing use to be modern sword fighting but in the past 15 years it has gotten horrendous and I am a saber fencer.
Epee is absolutely still sword fighting. Foil and sabre can be sometimes, but just as often it simply lacks soul.
I mean, whenever you make something a sport, you have to create rules and gamify it to allow scoring, and a good deal of the character of the original thing will be lost. As more rules get added, and players find ways to exploit the rules, more of that character gets lost. I still love it regardless, but epee is my favourite because it's most similar to its inspiration (first-blood fencing).
even in Olympics there is always that cheater.
I mean, this thing has spread into many events of the Olympics, but depending on the court, another strategy is used.
In my opinion "cheating" is also the idea that Nigerian athletes train on dirt carrying water buckets, while richer countries train on warm , closed courts.
Reminds me of the statistically unlikely low number of penalties against and high for Barcelona FC during the Negreira times
I was practicing my tennis short shot approach and footwork that resembles saber technique in front of my turned off TV. Then I turn on my PC and the UA-cam algorithm offers me a saber video on top page even though I never watch this sport for more than a minute maybe every 4 years.
I remember back in the 90s, American sabre fencers were nowhere, but our referees were considered honest, incorruptible. Maybe because they didn't need the money, maybe because we take Good Sportsmanship seriously. Either way, if two coaches couldn't agree on a referee (because they each knew which way the favoritism would go), they would settle on an American.
As someone who has never fenced, this looks like jousting
Interestingly, that's a feature, not a bug. The three fencing weapons (foil, epee, and sabre) are each inspired by a different way of swordfighting from European history.
Foil is inspired by to-the-death fencing; it's a stabbing-only weapon, as honor duels were historically, and only hits that land on the torso (including groin) or throat score a point (there's also a "priority" system in foil and sabre that establishes whose hit counts if they both land a hit- it's not relevant to this discussion though).
Epee is inspired by fencing to first blood, which is how duels were decided after fencing to the death was banned. It's also stabbing only, and since one would bleed anywhere they were stabbed, any hit on the body counts- from the top of the head to the tips of the toes.
Now, back to your jousting comment- sabre is inspired by cavalry fencing, so it uniquely allows slashing as well as stabbing. Valid target area is from the waist up, including the arms and head- legs do not count, as you would hit the horse in the historical counterpart. Since it's VERY easy to land a slash compared to a stab, and the priority system means the initial aggressor gets the first "turn," much of sabre revolves around charging as quickly as possible to earn initial priority in the eyes of the judge, so when you and your opponent clash in the middle and slash each other, it's probably your point (unless you miss, your opponent blocks, or you mess up your attack by pausing or pulling your weapon back etc). Crossing of the legs is also a penalty, as that's something horses cannot do, which forces the fencers to use that signature sabre gallop. Which is why it looks like jousting. Astute observation. 🫡
Not surprised at all
What goes round comes back around .karma . lets see
It is my neighbor who put barbed wire along our property line. That just seems hostile.
"The dice are loaded, and everythings fixed, eveeen a hobo could tell you this....Welcome to, hard times" Charlie Crockett.
He will fit in well with the Olympic spirit just look at the boxing or athletics drug takers
This is why I quit olympic style fencing. Too much cheating makes competing in the sport a waste of time. I remember one time my opponent, (who was fencing for the club in which the tournament was located, and all the referees were members of) received a point before either one of us even got close enough to touch the other.
so you are doing HEMA then? i totally understand as i do both these days and have fun with each... MOF is more for the sport and getting the light on whereas HEMA is more for the style and if you make a nice hit your opponent congratulated you as they actually are happy to be hit with so nice a move (if that makes sense..lol)
"Just give me 15 calls." Sounds suspiciously like a certain ex-President.
Alshamlan...see u in 2024 Olympic!! Can't wait to see you BUY the SABRE CHAMPION IN PARIS SUCESSFULLYYYYYY!! #lovethisgames!!wakaka~
now days fancing is a farce
Wow, a rich middle eastern guy from a petro state is able to buy judges? Next you're going to tell me the sky is blue.
Hes gonna bribe Olympic referees then?
he can try but likely even if he does those fencers are head and shoulders above this guy and will soon realise what is happening and get only one light (theirs) so there can be no indecision...
It's always kuwait athletes lmao
great title lmao 🎉🎉🎉
even got the spam bots in the comments section to corrupt, get em reported
Can not really blame the man for abusing the rules and referees if they are faulty. Footballers do it all the time, even the best ones will fall to ground deliberately for dozens of times in a match to get a faul.
However in leagues like English Premier, referees are not joking around and players do actually need to play to win instead of dropping themselves to the ground every 5 minutes.
So change the referees and rules and protect referees from outside pressure, sport will be fixed
I thought it was suppose to be a sword duel not first to tap
It's as much of a sword duel as an Olympic karate competition is an actual martial arts fight. It's a sporting game inspired by sword duels.
In order to make it into a sport, it had to be gamified, which means creating a scoring system, rules, standardized equipment, refereeing, etc.
The two stabbing weapons have a minimum amount of force that the tip of the weapon has to hit with to register a hit. It's a button with a resistance spring. Sabre unfortunately can't be pressure-sensitive because the entire sword is conductive, so that you can slash with it and the electric system will still register a hit. Hope that helps.
Also, trust me- most of the time, the sabre hits PLENTY hard.
@@raise_the_black_flag Yes this genuinely cleared things up for me, thank you!!
Do fencing competition the old way: first blod loose.
Refree with cam only to see who hit first in case of draw.
He should be banned from the Olympics and World Championships.
it was like this way before in the world championship cadet - junior in turkey in my match vs a Greek the referee give must of my points to the other sorry to say for the other but he was bad, but because of the referee he beat me... it did once more in a world cup in Cuba I was in demi final against a Cuban it was 8 to 1 for after the break, every time we did a simultane it was for the other guy so it was 14 to 14, the referee did is thing... Cuba wanted a Cuban in the final... the only way for me was to get one light so the referee can do shit about it and I did win but loss in final, I did Saber for Canada team, oh Vincent Anstett was the guy who beat me in my first world championship good memory
Love seeing all these "user-xxxx" review bomb getting paid by a cheater lol
No u
If both hit each other at the same time, they should both lose.
That's the problem with olympic fencing, first to make a point wins, even if it's by milliseconds. Often time you do both strike, it's determined by who did first. It's why in HEMA they use parrying daggers and have rules for double hits. Also alot of the historical methods try to strike without getting hit in return, because it makes no sense to charge recklessly in a fight.
Buat Hal sendiri.. suka ke dop suka ke sama je..😊😊😊
wtf did I just watch
I dont want to be negative. But i think the olympics have lost a lot of intrest from the public.... I mean few events matter this days. And fencing is surley not one of them
It becomes relevant to expose bad actors. Just look at Qatar Olympics, all we got out of that was confirmation that indeed Qatar and the uae are a backwards people living in a hell hole desert. Some times we need to be reminded
Brother i’m from kuwait we don’t spend money on sports in general even the football stadiums are in disrepair (football is the most popular sport here ) so i doubt we would bribe anyone
Funny ive fenced since the 90s in saber and epee and foil ive never heard of this person seems like a personal vendetta or something 😂
So he's a cheat, not a fencer
I have learned nothing from this and didn't get waht's going on in any of the clips, because I don't know any rules. So this video is: If you say so.
This seems like a goober sport. Mock combat with fencing blades? Lmao!!
Ngl sport fencing is just flawed.
As despicable as his trainer
Gulf state countries live by bribing. Qatar and the UAE are particularly bad but they all do it for any number of reasons.
That’s just Kuwait and Qatar, do not group all Gulf countries together
The whole fencing sport is rigged....
Arabs doin arab stuff as usual
Sportsmanship is dead. Being the best is how much money you and everyone who bets can make. Its sad
do these people not have any personal pride? who wants to win a rigged game? that's boring and shameful.
I can smell that oil money from a mile away
Alshamlan is a wasteman
اقعد عليه
All fixed, typical Oil-Sheik-stuff
this psort is totaly ireevelant anyway, nobodty care about it
And they thought russian were cheating... There has to be a legal way to sue that dog and his coaches
spanish shame
It is always the double standard. European players qualify = yes well deserved. A new star from Kuwait makes it to the Olympics = cheater and oil money. you using phrase "Oil money" in itself has a racist tone under it. It is like you're saying those players from gulf countries have no skills and no strategy when they play. He has spent a lot of money but on training and competing a lot abroad to make it to this level. The issue is the Saber referring itself because refs make their judgments differently and the smart player is the one who pays attention to what the referee count and what they don't.
The other double standard is sports and politics. Russia vs Ukraine war = ban all Russian fencers. Isreal commits genocide on Palestinians = nah we don't wanna mix sports with politics
Obscenely dumb take. especially since russia has been banned from the olympics since 2015 due to the doping scandal, and has only been prolonged due to the invasion.
never understand the outrageous victim mentality some people from non-western countries have. cheating is cheating; no matter if they're french, russian, german, azerbaijani, or kuwaiti. why should cheaters flagrantly get away with cheating just because they're brown lol. it's one thing for a ref to make a bad call, but making a bad call specifically in the favor of a single fencer exclusively when this particular fencer is fencing is beyond a "bad call"; it's collusion.
There will always be Europeans that qualify. The problem with Alshamlan's qualification isn't that people are assuming that he's a cheater, it's that he IS a cheater, and there is substantial evidence to back it up. If you even watched the video, you would realize that there are numerous examples of touches that were given to him that clearly weren't his. It's not unusual for referees to make one or two bad calls in a bout, but for MULTIPLE referees to make THIS MANY bad calls, and they all happen to be in the favour of Alshamlan? You don't have to be a genius to realize that something fishy is going on.
No one is saying that fencers from gulf countries aren't skilled; talent can come from anywhere in the world. However, qualifying for the Olympics through countless bad calls in your favor hardly counts as qualifying at all.
And he has cheated so many talented fencers from the middle east too not to mention from all over Asia...I recall seeing a video of a talented Iraqi fencer losing a lot of touches to him when he shouldn't have. With certain Americans...it's much harder to prove because they themselves are not as blatant (they don't stop the bout afaik).
@@provincialnotionpreference "countless?" If you follow one player the whole time and collect bad calls in one video, it will seem like this player is favorited. He's practiced and went to countless tournaments and camps to be at this level. How many calls does he get every game and why? I watch saber. It is a controversial sport to begin with. Refs don't agree most of the time so you have to pay attention to what the ref count and what they don't unfortunately. You are giving a huge claim by saying he is a cheater without evidence. Like did he bribe a ref or something? Him getting bad calls isn't an evidence cuz all players get this. You only post the calls he got. Why don't you post the calls that were awarded to his opponents but they should have given to him? Also, if he is favorited this much, he will win every tournament but we don't see him on podiums during world cup tournaments. Using the word "oil money" us so offensive and indirectly saying that players from "rich" countries depend on the money instead of their skills.
@@Mo13Tubeyou clearly have no idea what you're talking about lol. Alshamlan is by far the most well known cheater
Just assumptions no evidences.
Give him a Jew in Paris in the first round
see you in paris 😂🎉
Dirty cheater.
But now he's seeded in the Olympics and here you are🤣🤣
someone didn’t understand the video 😂😂
This is not true. Yousef is an Olympic player project. Before four years, the kuwait Federation started a plan to prepare Yousef to Paris Olympic.
4 years of referee salaries
And the mistakes of the referees cannot be tolerated by Youssef.. And if you say that the referees are being bribed, why do you not do the same thing and reach the Olympics? The truth is that Youssef is a champion and reached the Olympics through his hard work and effort .. Youssef is now preparing for the Olympic competitions, so keep your eyes peeled like haters .. see you guys and keep crying like a child 😂
cheaters have no character and are nothing.
money talks 🛢 💸
Shame on Yousuf Alshamlan and everyone involved. Everyone say his name for what he is, a cheater, not a true Olympian.
Hey yousef al shamlan didn’t cheat He is the worlds best fencer❤ it’s not his fault that referee is bullshit
😂😂are u kidding me ??
Lying Arab
True Olympian were only free white men. Not slaves or serfs or any kind of woman. Majority of participants were paid soldiers . Allowing them to eat healthy and train all year long. So there was always an element of unfairness and bias in the Olympics. Both the USSR/Russia, USA, China and all of Western Europe have institutionalized doping and cheating programs to this day.
@@khalidalyaqout9510 idiot
I thought fencing is not going to become corruptive due to the lack of money😂
Elite sport and the lack of money, what a paradox
lack of legal funding yes... but plenty of bribes going on ... ...
thank you for your work and exposure of this topic, fencing in general has barely any media popularity, and im happy to see people on the internet taking this sport and ruling seriously
Is foil also like this? I feel like epee is the only truly fair blade.
There have been instances of cheating in foil, but to my knowledge nothing as entrenched (or at least as obvious) as what's happening in sabre right now.
yeah generally foil has been less corrupt than Saber, but look at the final of the Asian olympic zonal for women's foil in the Tokyo cycle, the referee does everything in his power to try to get Berthier to lose in a manner that looks like cheating@@TheFoilist
i have seen foil referees at state level cheating for a person from their club... it is horrible and frustrating... and that is with no money changing hands, just down to - the person is from my club...sigh.. i just tell my club people - the best way to handle this is to get one light as the referee cannot argue with one light ([preferably theirs of course!! hahaha) ..
mind you much harder to do with sabre...
Oil money and corruption ruins everything
Stfu if you don’t know anything
All sports, when taken to the "professinal" levels are no more than a pay to win game between rich people
Completely unrelated and possibly highlighting my lack of knowledge with your videos, kudos on a much improved speaking voice and delivery, really improves the videos 🙏
No longer a gentlemans sport.
it has changed... become a sport where it is more prestigious to win (at all costs... ) .. this is why people drift to classical fencing (HEMA) - but I do both and enjoy both...
Pay to win.
Dude comes from oil-money.
Oil-money people are… well…
me no likey
What does his country get from the wins? His face on a Wheaties box? 😕🤷🏻♂️. Fencing doesn't get fans basketball, soccer or tennis. Without the fans less sponsors at the venues. 😒
Prestige
but a olympic medal does
What does any country get from acquiring gold medals? Why even have an Olympics? It's an asinine question. When u come from a country that doesn't earn a lot of medals , the sport of any gold Olympian might as well be basketball or football. I mean how many American suddenly cared about swimming when Phelps started racking up gold medals ?
I mean it's not new, its real bad in boxing.
Luckily no one cares about fencing
Same crap, different toilet.
spanish shame