If we weren't restricted by DE I'm pretty sure the majority of us would have murdered absolutely everything, including lotus and everyone hanging out relays, cuz lets be real they all kinda suck.
My Theory is this, the Orokin Empire has countless Ships and Towers that are not capable of void jumps, in fact none of the Orokin Technology beyond Transference Technology has ever been able to grasp void energy, yet the Orokin have Massive Solar Rails that connect each Planet & Moon to eachother within the Origin System (except for the Outer Terminus which was destroyed by the sentients during the old war.) but if the Orokin could build Railjacks (which were basically mobile solar rails), why isnt every Ship or Capital Ship fitted with this Void Engine? Why was the Zariman Ten Zero reliant on the Outer Terminus Solar Rail instead of its own power despite being the largest Orokin Supercapital Vessel we currently know of? (besides the Turaga class Worm Ship which we dont know the actual scale of yet). the reason is this, Solar Rails are massive because they need to store void energies to function, and are anchored to a single orbit because they need to continuously syphon these void energies to be effective, making Void Drives extremely ineffective in a tactical scenario for any Orokin Vessel, so they had to find another way to do it. and they did. they found.. the "Man in the Wall" .. (which may not even be a singular being, thus the countless fingers we have with us) and severed its essence. (this formed into a corporeal finger, which is still connected to its metaphysical form, thus allowing the ship to phase into the void) this was then used to power Railjacks with the use of a void key. and the container is used to syphon the void energy directly from the finger to the Void Engines of the ship allowing us to jump at will. but i dont think Railjacks were made for the Tenno, it was crewed by Dax and was launched at the very start of the Old War, which explains why they used a finger as the catalyst, it works very similarly to our Orbiters Tenno Room, since we generate vast amounts of void energy at will, we can substitute for the fuel source of our Orbiters Void Engines. RAP TAP TAP TAP TAP..
Holy shit.... our void energies powers the Orbiter. This is why the operator sits in that chair, to power the ship. So because the finger is from the void, it has power like we do and is used by the Railjack. How did we even get the finger? What was the Orokin doing before the Zariman Ten Zero incident? Where they fighting someone? Some other race? Some other beings? Is the Man in the Wall just a metephor for the Men in the Wall... or the race in the wall... the wall being the Void? Goddamnit.. my mind is going in circles. lol
We might know what a worm ship looks like. Rewatch the Duviri Paradox trailer. (Although it might just be a giant Orokin being, like an upscaled Orokin fish or worm or stuff idk)
Some Rell lore might be helpful to explain the finger: Rell believed the void to be an entity in it of itself, with it assumed to be personified by The Man in the Wall. What if it, like The Man, is given an appearance that can be recognized by the Tenno? We see The Man in the Wall as ourselves to indicate that we are imbued with void energy, and if Rell is to be believed, imbued with this entity. Continuing this train of thought, what if we see it as a finger as symbolic of being part of the void entity? I immediately thought that The Man in the Wall was communicating that the finger belonged to another of whatever he was, but after some basic research, I wonder if there isn't even an "other." Think of it as a sort of "Void Eidolon," meaning that despite being several physical beings, there is only one thing. The "finger" could be a trapped part of the void entity; The Man in the Wall bends his finger to show that the big finger is a part of him. Note that before the key is placed, there is a mist with loud banging, but once the key is placed, the bangs become tapping and whispered quotes from The Man in The Wall, and of course, we see the finger. My theory is this: The mist is it's "true" form, or at least a visual representation for the Orokin who know it as part of the void. When it becomes a finger, the void is trying to personify itself with the idea that the Tenno has found a part of a bigger whole. The Man in the Wall is there to connect the idea even further, maybe to tell the Tenno, "Yeah, I'm part of this thing, you can use it for now." To me a significant thing is that (for me at least), it seems that it's favorite quote is "Don't forget, kiddo, you owe me." This could mean that it is reminding you that one day, there will be a price for what you've taken, now including the void engine. Also, fun fact: Cephelon Cy is voiced by the same person who voices Rell. Coincidence? I think... probably!
yeah that's a thing that I wanted to mention too xD everyone rewatch the scene when u put in the key into the engine and 'man in the wall' is siting on top of it... look at his right hand... he has one finger bend into the exact same position of the finger in the casing while holding all other fingers up normaly... just that one finger... and considering that each bodypart down to every part of a finger have to be animated we can be shure to say that this is intentional... sooooooooooooooo... "something's out there kiddo... watching us..."
also what about the Kuva, it's "the old blood" the old blood of what ? It's made out by changing the void power of tenno. Yeah, one day we will meet chronos/galactus or Something like that. Plus i'm pretty sure that the durivi paradox is before the tenno got their void power but it's just for me.
If you remember the ending of The War Within, and approach the reliquary on the railjack, there seems to be a certain suggestion there - namely that the tenno made a deal with The Man in the Wall, but don't remember it. "You are nothing without me", "You owe me" - these are the things that the voice (believed to belong to the Man in the Wall) says to the tenno. It may turn out that the reason why the kids onboard the Zariman Ten Zero did not succumb to madness was because the Man in the Wall actively protected them from it, and then offered them superpowers to survive against the bloodthirsty adults. It is also possible that in the process of making the deal, the kids learned a lot about the void, and either the Man in the Wall took these memories, or the tenno actually shared what they learned with the Orokin, but the long dream (the hibernation) made them forget. Remember - we had one tenno who was never put in the hibernation, and knew about the Man in the Wall all along - Rell. The idea that Rell was the only one to remember the Man in the Wall seems to go against the idea of the Man itself being responsible for the tenno not remembering the deal - why would Rell be allowed to remember when others were not? Moreover, this could contribute to the explanation of why exactly the Orokin were downright afraid of the tenno - human history is full of events where one person has discovered something about our universe that goes against a previously accepted "truth" and ends up being branded a "devil" or "whitch" for it, in attempts to keep the common folk unaware. In all this there is still one, chilling question to ask: What did the tenno agree to, as their side of the deal?
Ak Hannar start? Didn’t it all start with the ship lost out in the void and then the kids being messed with? No I believe it all started years ago- possibly around the time the sentients went out of control
@@daydreamdirty When I said "start" I meant that the Man in the Wall has not been making his presence known to the tenno until the ending of the War Within.
I know this is a year later but considering all the stories surround the void and the man in the Wall I think it's safe to say that the finger belongs to "it". In Albretch Entrati's story, he details his encounter with the entity when he sees a copy of himself in the void. After escaping back through the portal and instructing his daughter to close it behind him, the entity is seen following him, reaching out and then having his fingers cut off as the portal closes. Albretch then uses the fingers to harvest the voids power, creating the orokin technology everyone is familiar with now. I think this finger is one from the entity, after you see it during the rising tide mission waving at you, you'll notice it's index finger is bent out of place. While the ship is powered by this finger (and in turn, the void), the man in the Wall spreads it's influence over all those that try to harness it's power. Cephalpn Cy in this mission didn't receive any orders from anyone, he killed his own crew under the influence of the void. You can hear him at conflict with himself all the time, unable to comprehend his own actions and the phenomena around the railjack itself. Just like you, he's living with the man in the Wall and it's slowly eating away at him.
To me, the finger is some representation of a piece of the man in the wall. And it is described as what powers the void translation drive, which tracks with it being something connecting the ship to the void. As for everything else you talked about... yep, all sounds about right to me. I will note that the sentient we've fought so far ate only tiny fragments of 'true' Sentients(Hunhow/sentients depicted in Erra prologue), which are massive. The things we've fought are comparable to antibodies. Comparably tiny parts of a lager whole. Eidolons are the same. They're like an octopus' tentacle cut off from the main body. The sentient is dead but its fragments are effectively flailing aimlessly whenever they aren't being bombarded by solar radiation.
I mean... We may actually see and participate in Kaiju battles, like for real. God, Please let DE pull this off, please?!?!? That would be so cool, but if it's a buggy mess it will totally kill the vibe...
@@TheDsIEGE Its like begging to get a shadow of the colossus feel vs bugs are now features bugframe style networking. I would have faith if they could fix something as simple as doors being client based instead of serverside.
@@rt3playz359 I mean... most of the game's lore and theming has been there in the game's background for years. I was having arguments about the true nature of the Tenno for two years prior to the second dream. Back when they had operations there was comments from Vor and Alad that the warframes were being controlled by 'demons from the void' and that the warframes powers didn't make sense based on literal dissections they had performed. We had seen glimpses of the sentients already at this point, and Hunhow referring to the sentients we fought as his 'fragments' wasn't a metaphor... they're literally fragments of his true self. The sentients couldn't replicate after the jump back from Tao... so they divided themselves to create their armies; literally fragmenting themselves.
Got some new (for me) interactions from the "finger room" today. You might know these. Went to the room after boarding directly from my Orbitor without interacting with anything. Female voice (my op is male): 1. "You mad at me, Tenno? Did you forget? You owe me." 2. "Don't forget, Tenno. You're nothing without me" 3. "Hey Kiddo. What took you so long?" 4. "Hey Kiddo" The last one (4) with a lot of more male ish echoes.
I know it is been one year, but still. Man in the wall, also known as Rell was, to say "killed", well better, freed by The Tenno, so he is no more. Hope this helped.
DE really needs to start answering questions instead of adding more of them every "expansion". The universe they created is truly interesting but all this vagueness for years and years is getting tiresome.
I think doing both would be the best. Answering questions that have been created in the past, and create more questions at the same time. If we weren't questioning what will happen next then there is no reason to care to find out.
Yeah, I have to agree with Malaki on this thread. I agree with you that situations that have way too many questions and not enough answers can get super frustrating, however DE appears to be answering the questions that are most pressing in our minds kinda in that order. We wake up, do a bunch of missions and find out a little about who we are. Then more about the void jump. And a little more about our caretaker. And a little more about Margulis. And a little more about the sentients. I feel you, though, that I hope some massive amount of lore gets dropped on us soon to not only conclude some of the story arcs we've followed, but create new and different ones going forward.
"When Albrecht returned from the Void he ordered his daughter to close the portal. His twin-entity following behind. The portal collapses and cuts the entity's fingers, which will later be studied by Orokin scientists to harness the Void's powers."
I'm pretty sure that when I completed my ship, and the finger *thunked* into my void container to power the ship in that cinematic, once the camera released and I turned around, my void-doppleganger was sitting there waiving at me with a hand that was now missing it's index finger. Anyone else remember this? It seems to me that the void itself might be sentient in a way; enigmatic, unknowable. The void drive captures a bit of the Void itself, and the void shows this to us with our Doppleganger. The Man in the Wall, our Doppleganger, the Tenno power, the corruption/evolution of the Sentients, and the power of the Orokin all seem to be interwoven with the void and it's mysteries. Very Lovecraftian, but not quite as over the top about it as Warhammer 40k.
@Naveen KV Ah, thanks for the clarification. Nice that Mr. Wallie did make a reference to it, though. It shows that the void is aware of the connection.
I actually think they are borrowing a bit from WH40K with this. Very much like Gellar drives and the Void(Warp) is full of demonic entities that haunt you even on your ship. Hell they even call that container the "reliquary drive" which hints to the old Catholic tradition of preserving the bones of saints in ampules and the such.
@Naveen KV I mostly like the fiction and computer games. Never really got into the tabletop game. That being said, I would check out the Horus Heresy books. They go back to the "start" when the Traitor legions turn against the Emperor. I have a pretty large collection of books over the last 20 years, but I am not sure how easy it would be to get copies.
@Naveen KV oh one other interesting fact, Warcraft I believe was originally supposed to use GW licensed lore, but something went South and Blizzard created it's own lore. Pretty sure as an FU to GW they made StarCraft and the Zerg borrow HEAVILY from the design of the Tyranids.
@Naveen KV Hey man, cannot really condone what you do, but I understand it too. The books can be a tad expensive and GW especially likes to F people over with pricing. I guess I would say start with the Horus Heresy series. I myself started in the middle of things during the late 90s early 2000s and was confused alot, kind of like piecing together a puzzle, but you could glean enough to figure out the back story. If you start with the Horus Heresy which started later near 2010 I think, it will lay out the backstory. It takes a few books to really ramp up though as the "rebellion" starts slowly and builds. Although these are good books to get a feel for why the Galaxy is in the state it is in the 41st millennium, it starts rather "clean" without as much demonic chaotic entities.
The Cephalon was ordered to stand the ship down by Balas since he was working with the Sentients to destroy the Orokin. I'll be honest, I feel bad for the Cephalon. He cared about the crew and he is distraught. I would like to give him vengence....
Yeah, that makes all the sense. Ballas might actually have that kind of authority, too. Whereas I'm still not completely sold unless they give me more in the ways of how Ballas would be able to hide something like that without raising suspicion, I think that's about as good a theory as one can have given what we know.
@@TheDsIEGE I would love if this was true and we get a Light vs Dark decision to kill or spare Ballas in a Railjack mission. But, either choice we make the Cephalon takes control of the ship and kills Ballas.
Another possible reason could've maybe been the sentient somehow hacking and taking control of cephalon Cy--it's been said in some parts of the lore how Sentients could take control of technology thrown at them, and that's why the Orokin had to take a step back and start using "primitive" ballistic weapons.
I doubt the finger itself is related to eidolons or the sentients, due to them being non-organic. Realistically the closest sentients can get to the finger is either as space mommy, which imitates organic life forms or mimics... which is close to being the same thing. When the finger got activated it sprouted crystal roots and activated the railjack, similarly we see void towers being full of the crystal roots too, in the void. We also see it in the derelicts as decaying roots, which differs from your usual infestation. Since the finger gave the roots to the railjack it's assumable that it gave the roots to every single orokin tower, both in the void and the derelicts. Since it's mass produced, the orokin must have been grinding up living organisms for this. The only place not fully explored is the void and that's where we got the orokin towers and the derelicts from, so most likely it's native to the void. The man inside the wall is literally shoved inside the wall to make it all work. Makes me wonder if there's a part of the void creature in the liset, since we can't expect the tenno being sufficient to sprout the roots considering the tenno was on the moon all this time.
OH MY GOD. You talking about "the man in the wall" made me realize. The ostron cut up flesh from the Tower of unum. Destroyed remanis of orokin towers in railjack missions have dry and organic shapes to them. The crystal roots grow in the void and the moon in a natural, non-planned pattern. The Orokin must have used flesh to rise their buildings, and part of that flesh must have consciousness( similar to what was done to umbra ). That would explain why your warframe moves at the end of the second dream. It isn't "killed" flesh(well, not entirely) like the structures made to be operated by Cephalons. Dude it's 1am and i'll probably find myself crazy when i wake up but you just clicked the craziest shit ever to my brain
@@Luiz_orneduom I doubt the warframe moving part being due to flesh. Warframes were made with infestation as parts of the flesh and mechanical parts to create a brainless / semi-dumb empty puppet. If anything moved the warframe it was the tenno being k.o'd and reverting to dream control or semi-conscious control of it. Alternatively, and less likely, the man in the wall guys have some sort of similar ability of transference or linked up to your whole transference due to void abilities, which shows no other evidence of ever happening. So yeah, it's either the tenno, or the nearly brainless infested mass within the warframe.
For me, the tapping you hear was a dead giveaway. "Tap, tap, tap, goes the Man in the Wall..." Now, you really want something to mull over? One; what if ALL of those fingers are the exact same finger? Two; what if said finger wasn't found or taken by force by the Orokin, but rather, it was WILLINGLY donated? Three; what if the Man in the Wall had the Railjack's original crew killed just for you to get your own ship down the line...one directly connected to it? And, finally; what if the reason it appears to us as a doppelganger is because, it IS us? What if the power the kids wield isn't just the natural result of absorbing void energy?... What if they brought something back with them?... Or SOMEONE?... Or even an even more disturbing train of thought; what if the Zariman Ten Zero didn't REALLY have any survivors at all?...
CHA0SXIII near your early paragraph of the third, what if it is bidden power just like the Olympian gods, they stay young, what if the tenno are like that what if , the duviri paradox is when we lose our power after the new war, it goes back to the finger or the man in the wall. What if thats why we are grown up and use weapons in the duviri paradox? Or what if the horse guy is the man in the wall or something like that. I have more
Note the ideal that the Orokin worship, the "duality". The Man in the Wall could also be simply be the collective subconscious of the Tenno manifesting via void shenanigans. The doppelganger we see could very well be a hallucination from the void powers interacting with the subconscious.
You've given me chills. I loved Empyrean Quest line with Cy's narration. So emotional! Would love a WF soundtrack with this sequence of stories from Cy, kind of like how the Romeo And Juliet OST had 2 volumes, one for music and the other with a mix of music and script reading
You blew my mind... I need to watch a few more videos to gather my thoughts...ill be back with an essay maybe tomorrow...wait for it.. Love your videos and level of thought you put into them bro... Gives me tingles
Watching this and leaning to those clips again got me thinking. What if Cephalon Cy wasn't remembering what happened to his crew as a cephalon, but as the 4th crew member. It may be a long shot, but I think it could be mad enough to be a possibility. ^^
I've never really considered this to be a finger of a creature. I've always looked at it as if something has been mummified and left in a pod similar to a tenno/warframe. But this entity isn't dead, more suspended or imprisoned "tap tap tap goes the man in the wall". And what you are seeing is what it either wants you to perceive or how it's dressed to represent it's function. A metaphorical pointing the tenno in the right direction. But that is just how I see it. Probably going to be some HUGE sentient void creature.
imagine an event where its a new place to free roam and anyone who joins that place is in the same exact instance (like a hub of sorts) and in this free roaming place spawn a GIANT boss that everyone can kill together. like, imagine 100 unique players killing a giant raid boss the size of a mountain together, it would be sick.
My interpretation? Something in The Void is manipulating events. It pulled the Zariman into the Void to create the Tenno, it used the Janus Key to seduce and corrupt Captain Vor, it influenced the Sentients who made the jump to Tau. My supporting evidence: The "Man in the Wall", or "Hey Kiddo", or whatever you prefer to call the Doppelganger of your Tenno is just as enigmatic and mysterious as ever, though its reactions based on your final choice in The War Within all make a certain measure of sense if you believe that this Void Entity is somehow pulling strings behind the scenes. Whether you destroy the kuva, give it to Teshin, or drink it, its reaction seems to imply that it sees you as a minion, or a child that ranges from obedient (Drinking the kuva) to rebellious and rude (destroying the kuva). Then you can think about certain inconsistencies in how Lotus/Natah is behaving throughout the entire storyline. Lotus believed herself to be the Mother of the Tenno up until after somehow being reawakened to her true form as a Sentient Mimic after leaving her throne room with Ballas. Ballas, as far as we know, is the only surviving Orokin, and for the trouble of releasing Lotus/Natah he was mutilated into an Amalgam. Yet consider this: in the Erra and New War cutscenes, Natah doesn't recognize Ballas. Presumably she's the one who converted Ballas into an Amalgam (Possibly with Alad V's help). I believe the Void has even managed to infect Natah's mind with false memories, not just the Orokin, and perhaps Natah even has a doppelganger or split consciousness. Either that, or this whole thing is still being manipulated somehow by Ballas, as you can see in the New War cutscene that he's rather pleased with himself at points despite being leashed by "Erra", but when Natah proves resistant to the story "Erra" is trying to impose upon her, "Erra" throws her into the device within the sentient capitol ship by force after releasing Ballas' leash, allowing Ballas to stand fully upright alongside "Erra". This was only done when Natah noticed that Ballas was an Orokin, or "Maker" as the sentients know them. We still don't know nearly enough about how much pull the Void Entity has over the Origin System and its factions and people. The Tenno were just one aspect of the Void forcing its way into the system. It's clear, at least to me, that the Void Entity can take many forms and can only be truly seen and experienced by the Tenno or those who have been sufficiently corrupted by the void (Like Captain Vor). Despite this, causing audio-visual hallucinations in Tenno seems to be the extent of how it can manifest in traditional space for now. Could it be wanting to pit factions against each other, seeking a way to tear a rift through traditional space to flood our side with Void and give itself greater power on this side? We don't know, and that's scarier and more interesting than the answer's we're likely to get even with Duviri Paradox.
See if I do this right to hide potential spoilers. When your copy/man in the wall appears on the Finger reactor, he/she is holding one finger down while they wave at you... Suggesting the finger belongs to the Man in the wall? If they are a being that is beyond the holds of reality, maybe the finger allows passage through the void and or reality to travel? If so why hasn't the Man in the wall stepped through to us if just the finger is enough to allow travel? And how do the Grineer ships travel then, do they have finger reactors? I'm going to have to play RailJack and search one of those grineer ships lower levels now that I think about it!
Could be... I purposely left that part out as to not sway opinion. Even though he was there... I'm still not sold the finger belongs to him. I'm not even sure "he" even exists as a physical being. I suppose we'll see though...
@@TheDsIEGE Very True, it could be he's just playing along and the finger isn't actually gone on the copy's hand... Maybe a Red Herring to throw us off... Though I have to wonder with all the talk of alternate realities existing at the same time... is it many fingers or just 1 in every ship? The existence, even if just hinted of such a being is profoundly amazing and disturbing at the same time.
@@HimitsuDragon It's not gone, it's just bent over. Take a look when you get a chance. When our twin sits at the very end, all fingers are accounted for...
@@TheDsIEGE Yeah that's what I meant, the fingers are all there, it isn't actually gone. (it's bent over as I mentioned in the first post.) and that's why it's a red herring since it's not really gone on the clone. The clone is just messing with us as usual.
What scares me more is that the void demon voice, the "Man in the Wall" said something along the lines of "Careful kiddo, something out there is watching us" for me. WTF DOES THAT MEAN?! Is there something out there that scares him?!
This reminded me that the cephalon said that he isn't a viable cephalon near the start of the quest I think. And there's currently a locked intrinsics for (Command) still locked after revisit. Which might imply a possible quest or something of unlocking Command?
In the new war at the end when the man in the wall shows up he is missing an index finger which looks to be the same size and color shade as the one in the pod. If you click f on the pod one of Cy's lines says its a paradox. Like we heard so much during the quest.
You skipped over a huge detail, the man in the wall appears over top of the finger once it appears in the reliquary. The void inside before the finger appear speaks to you and ask what took use so long with many of the words we heard in the past. But my biggest thing about the void demon appearing is what he does with his hand while sitting ontop of the reliquary. His hand gesture, he shows 4 fingers with his thumb over the index. Also worth some note, the void key is needed, aboriform grows out of the pod like the ones on Lua with the void ghost and after they grow a finger pops in and the void demons appears ontop of the finger. The finger doesnt move after this, seems it only moved doing to being move/thrown inside. But this resembles transference and void gate technology. I honestly think it's a Tenno's finger, used to power the ships abilities to use the void engine Cy hits at. The tenno are the only ones in game so far that use their fingers and hands to control the void or aspects of. Inaros had an issue with the orokin stealing children for some inhumane experimentation and i think its tied to Lua and tied to this finger. Lua has void gates to Mars.
Really great lore video, man, well done! Lore and story in this game are so easily and often forgotten amid arguments about rewards and scaling and stats and numbers and rewards and activities and all that. It's one of the biggest motivators of playing any game that goes beyond just "well, but is this new weapon REALLY worth it?"
Thank you! Honestly, I play this game FOR THE STORY. The gameplay is very fun, but the lore is what intrigues me the most. Future's looking pretty good too, "fingers" crossed, lol.
@@TheDsIEGE I don't blame you. The grind and collection stuff is there for people who want to play the game longer, but there are definitely those who care more about the narrative and quests, and when they finish those, they move to something else. Totally fine way to play. In fact, it's actually better to not be addicted to any live service game, no matter how good, than to be so involved and invested it becomes a source of constant stress.
The generators already power the railjack, and the orbiter doesnt have a finger in it as far as we know, so maybe it's used to jump the fold and travel large distances through the void when we load up a mission or as the Zariman was supposed to do.
Well, this could be a streetch, but, as we know from Cephalon Suda comic... *SPOILER ALERT* Suda used to be a human, more precisely, an Archemedian if I'm not mistaken, who choose to become a cephalon in order to preserve her memories. On another note about Ordis... *SPOILER ALERT* ... Used to be also a human (or another specie of phisical form) called Ordon Caris, wich was transformed into a cephalon by Ballas. My take on this is simple, since Cy says that "Something touches me... Impossible" makes me think that maybe, that finguer might belong to the previous form of Cy before becoming a cephalon, wich could indeed be some sort of gigantic form of life from the void (or maybe some species that would be giants but were maybe subjects of some void experiment like us Tenno (since we're basicly a battery of void energy wich blows up if it doesnt have a somatic link attattched for to long) that would make sense) that were probably captured by the orokin (or even us Tenno) decimated as they imposed a threat, converted into cephalons all named Cy (since its seems like a strong cephalon is needed in order to operate a big ship like a railjack) and with some of its body parts left out as energy sources for the railjacks themselves (since we don't even know if a full body is needed for an entity to become a cephalon (since we don't need a finger to survive as example) since the ships might need some sort of "void battery" to operate they're abilities (in other words, he link between Cy and the Railjack would be something along the lines of the Tenno and the Warframe, not entierly, but something like it). I know it's a long one, but I think there's something good going on in here... What do you guys think?? :)
That's a totally new theory about the finger, I never heard of that before. It seems interesting... However, I don't remember any info about Cephalon being humans, while I completed every quest except for Erra.
@@moimoi9995 check the comic that precedes the Suda quest, there you know about Suda's past, And about Ordis past, is hidden in the Cephalon fragments in the codex
I mean, Ballas was an Executor of the Orokin Empire, responsible for the Tenno and was (as per the Sacrifice) betraying the empire to the Sentients. Given Cy was programmed to "fail" the mission one way or another, doesn't Occam's razor point to Ballas, a person in a position that would allow access to the Railjack Cephalons and with a motive to sabotage the Imperial war effort?
I believe the Orokin, like at other times, were meddling with things beyond their comprehension (again) and were willing to sacrifice the crew of that railjack to try and further a purpose of some kind. Long winded reasoning to follow: The reason the Tenno exist was because a warship was loaded with civilians, which was against Orokin law, and rigged to fail outside the Void and drift in, all in an attempt to see what would happen. The result was a ship full of only the children as the others did not survive, having been corrupted by the void and eventually either killed by the some remaining children or other unknown causes. The children, at this point refered to as the Zariman Children, were then left in cryo-sleep as they had frieghtening powers the Orokin did not understand and thought of as a threat to their society. Later, when one of the experimental Warframes, at this time being made by injecting people with the Warframe virus (modified infestation virus to make what are now refered to as Umbra Warframes), went berserk and killed may people in the lab where it was at. Two scientists, running for their lives, come accross the door to where the Zariman children are in cryosleep when the Warframe stops and calms down. These scientists realize this discovery and find that these Zariman children can use transferance (the ability to put one's mind into another artificial body from any distance) naturally and safely whereas the Orokin had been trying to do this via artificial means but all test proved failures as long term exposure to transferance killed nearly all the test subjects. This was then used in combination with artificially made Warframes that were made from pure infestation and a restraining bolt to allow the Zariman children, now dubbed 'Tenno', to use transference to control these Warframes, finally making the elite force the Orokin wanted. The Orokin also at this time erased the memories of the Tenno and trained them to be soldiers, obeying orders without question, but the Tenno, like all other creations of the Orokin such as the Infestation, the Grineer, and the Sentience, turned on the Orokin and were able to fully overthrow them. Though this is the basic story of how the Tenno came to be as they are it shows hoe the Orokin constantly messed with stuff they did not understand and there are more examples spread throughout the lore that can be found within the game. Interesting related facts: -The Silver Grove gained its sentience as a result of a person using artificial transference to integrate their consciousness with the grove, which at the time was an experiment of some kind at the time. The person died as a result of the transference but their consciousness merged with the artificially created tree, eventually becoming the Silver Grove. -The Infestation was originally designed by the Orokin to be a bio-weapon against their enemies. It backfired (surprise surprise) -The Sentience, though originally thought of as an abomination by the Orokin to the point the original creator was almost executed, was created to help build solar rails and eventually a new colony for the Orokin, the only weakness they had being that they could not enter the Void as they would be killed by the Void Radiation. The Sentience, tired of being slaves and knowing the Orokin would only bring turmoil there too, revolted. The reason for this idea was to escape from the Infestation as well as unrest in the system that threatened to overthrow the Orokin Empire. -The Tenno were meant to be the last resort to stop the unrest in the system as well as to fight against the Sentience. Edit: some of this may have been changed over the development of Warframe but much of it should still be accurate.
A reliquary is a container for, typically religious, relics of the past. Often containing physical remains of saints or otherwise holy artifacts. I'm starting to believe that we might have a Forerunner/Precursor thing going on in Warframe where the dominant race (Orokin) turned on their gods and won. The Orokin then took the power for themselves possibly explaining kuva and their overall self righteousness. Anyway, my point is, I think it is a remnant of whatever came before the Orokin rose to power. A godlike entity that is thought to be extinct or no longer has its physical form. I'm assuming the man in the wall is one such creature.
This comment contains info on cephlons and how they came to be this contains a small-ish spoiler. this is my theory/thought on this subject This could possibly be cepalon cy's body in their,wrapped in cloth to prevent anything from making contact with it. Why i think it's his body is because all cephalons were once people who have been turned into a peice of sentient data "thing"'this is generally done for them to either continue to live due the amount of knowledge they have(suda) or to completely wipe their memory.(ordis) ordis is a good example,he used be a very deadly hunter with good amount of skill for anything that involved assassination of targets. And so he was becoming a large threat to the orokin he was working for and messed up,big time and so he became a ship cephalon with his memory wiped and stored into those data blocks that are found on missions. Suda had an effect of some kind which provided her with memory storage of the general gold fish where she would remember events that had happen that day but then forget about them the next day,oh and she was and still as emotional as a robot. And so she willingly turned her self into a cephalon just so that she have an actual working memory and would be of use as a data vault,sorta like simaris except without torturing her contained subjects. Ok now that's done,oh and their a very,very slim chance he's just a dax person like excalibur umbra. thats all.
Hold on, is this the same kind of void engine as the one that was on Parvos Granum's ship? The one that was sabatoged and effectively created the Granum void? And inside the Granum void seems to be giant Granum Crown coins... could this finger have originally been normal-sized and then somehow was warped into being giant by some kind of property of the kind of void energy used? Perhaps in order for a void engine to work it needs something to anchor it to this side of reality in the form of a person, and the best way to provide that without sacrificing a whole person is to just warp their finger off of them while it's still attached somehow?
Oh yeah, there's definitely some stuff there. It might end up leading to some really interesting stuff soon? I don't want to get my hopes up, but this at least has me intrigued...
I didn’t know about the finger! I couldn’t make out what was in there when I looked until hearing you say “finger” and I instantly could see it. What the frick, every time I think I’m starting to grasp the lore of this game I learn of another curveball!
It is from the Man in the Wall. When it shows up, your doppelgänger holds up its hand. They have their pointer finger folded down as if it is missing. As for Cy's bizarre orders, that seems in line with standard Orokin dickery.
The premise of the rising tide quest is that the sentients are rebuilding their armada, and the railjacks are the only ships capable of fighting them off. Also on the way to void storm missions you see one of the wormships. Also there is a mod that gives turrets bonus damage against sentient ships. Also cephalon Cy's description of what happened when they were about to win and the power went out is similar to what father says the orphix used to do when they shut down all technological things. I think we will be fighting sentient ships and fighters and they will be using massive orphix waves to knock out our ship, but we will have to board their ship and use the necramechs to knock out the resonators so that our ships can strike down the reactors.
There must be an april fools joke where the finger in the tank thing is replaced by a hand that occasionaly makes random gestures and gives the boarding ennemys the middle finger when they get too close.
We know that Ballas was a traitor to the Sentients, for one reason or another (personally, I find his reasons absolutely moronic but, hey, I guess I never took a lover to be publicly executed for being nice to kids so what do I know). It's entirely likely that the finger is unrelated to the past destruction of Cy's previous crew and more linked to Ballas sabotaging any ship trying to stop the war, since he wanted Margulis back. And he would have succeeded, had we not shown up and exploded everything in existence. The finger itself is likely not a finger at all, but something that we 'perceive' as a finger. We know that this potentially exists and that it annoys Cephalons; Ordis refers to the Relics (when we first got them) that 'they are many things but collapse into one thing under specific circumstances'. And what are those circumstances; Void energy. Guess where that Void energy is, what dwells in the Void and what we have heard about the Void from someone forcefully exposed to it. The 'finger' is not a finger at all, but if I told you that there is someone out there, tapping, what part of them would you expect to do the tapping? It's a finger because we have heard of 'The Man in The Wall' and his tapping (Rap. Tap. Tap.). We see a finger because we expect to see a finger. It's likely just a sliver of The Man in The Wall, reaching out and trying to breach into our reality. The Orokin did indeed have machinery capable of tapping into that alternate dimension's energy and this is a massive clump, or even source, of it. The Orokin, in their arrogance, developed technology that could pull energy from things they didn't understand; like someone creating a nuclear reactor but not understanding how radioactive materials actually produce energy, thus failing to take any precaution. TL;DR: Ballas sabotaged Cy, the finger is a tentacle of Cthulhu, we're gonna stab/shoot/explode Cthulhu as soon as we get Space Mommy back.
I think that thing in the railjack is the key to duviri paradox, maybe later in the story we voidjump with the railjack to zariman10-0. I listened some voice lines what cephalon cy say about it when u activate that thing.
The white rope/string/vine thing conected to it is the same that we find in the void and atached to operator pods. What im thinking is that similar to operators and WF what ever this finger is has some sort of greater mind overseeing the ship to some extent. I want to think that its a greater mind that oversees the ships functions some how but CY is in that role. Aloso do we know how many cannon railjacks there are. Becuse i have a theory that this monster is unique and and it consciousness is somehow part of several ships via certian boddy parts it once posesed. By being part of several ships it could single handedly give orders to rail jack cepholons and micro manage a battle. (There might be a rail jack w a dick. If he is uniqe the gota use every part to its fullest)
I actually really like this theory... Would explain why these drives are on this ship whereas our orbiter doesn't have the finger drive... My original thought was that some entity has it's "fingers" in many ships at once, wearing them kinda like a glove in order to both control and coodinate large scale assaults at once, which is kinda like what you're saying I think. And... although their may be a dick drive out there, I'm just glad my railjack wasn't one of those, lol...
We can see that the entity the fingers belonged to (and at that point were still attached to) appears to have been used to stabilize reality within the diving bell grandfather Entrati used to pierce the veil. I wonder if not just the hands were still attached at that moment. Perhaps one day we will find our way to Albrecht's lab and locate the remains of this entity likely housed in a post alpha-transmission orokin built containment unit, much like the digits we possess on our railjacks. I believe these units are used to augment the connection between these fragments and the main body across time and space to allow for untethered access to the void gates we use. I find it truly maddening that we are unable to press Gomaitru for information regarding this seemingly primordial and eldritch lifeform sleeping beneath the lab she spent so much time in ( it is likely her father kept many secrets from her I suppose). I think Cy was likely hacked by the man in the wall as it would make no sense for the orokin to sabotage a crucial mission against the sentients during the old war resulting in the deaths of their most powerful and loyal servants.
Isn't it void powered? If so, we could be seeing the special interpretation of a part of the void since we have a connection with it no other has. For example, when we reconnect fully with the void in the war within, and regain access to our powers, someone takes control over us from the inside, familiarly welcoming us and asking if we forgor about him, or maybe.... it. After we encounter Rell and we are faced with our decisions we made on the ship, this "man in the wall" starts appearing and talking to us, the same entity who spoke to us at the end of the war within. And then, sometimes, when we look at this reactor with a "finger" inside, the man in the wall is on top of it waving at us with a missing finger. My theory is that the void is not only a dimmension, but an entity. And that this entity, for whatever reason, linked with us aboard the Zariman Ten Zero, resulting in our powers. This entity is the void, and the so called man in the wall, since he doesn't have a body or form of its own, he takes ours to speak to us after we fully connected with it again at the end of TWW. And that finger we see is not an actual finger, but if we see "the void" on a human form on a regular basis, it wouldn't be outlandish to think we see a part of the void as a part of a human.
I think the man in the wall is the Void personified. and its doing what it wants. I think the finger is a way of saying "I gave apart of myself to you" and since this is the void expressed as being "unlimited zeros" has the ability to manifest a giant finger if it wanted.
That finger is very human-like. Doesn't look like it belongs to any sentient, eidolon or something like that. However as New War conclusion showed, it's most likely going to be related to the man in the wall. Considering he arrived on a living wall with a massive human-like body - that's most likely the form he chooses to often take. And we have something that belongs to him...
I havent finished watching yet nor looked at comments, so its possible you mention this later, but @5:01 the tapping.....Rap tap tap tap.....perhaps its the "Man in the Wall" and this is his finger, partially making his way from the void into the, for lack of better terms atm, Material Plane of existance. Because all of it seems like it calls back to the Chains of Harrow and The Sacrifice questlines.
Idk about the finger thing. The void is all that is chaos, what does and doesn't together in one impossible place where time and space are variables to adjust rather than rules to follow. I kinda just figured that the finger was a finger cause random void shenanigans. But I could be wrong of course.
I took a close look at the drive, it looks like there's a spot near the top just above where the finger would attach to the hand that appears to be an indentation where someone's head would go. Someone would definitely fit in there, maybe even the tenno if something were to happen to the orbiter.
We will found out what's all of this in 2093.
Fingers crossed.
And if not by then, 2193 for certain.
Awful.
That is Steve's middle finger to the Tenno Community, except now he has found it lodged up his own arse and is eating crow.
It's gonna be DElayed
@@alexandrubunea3552
Nice
It's a huge finger.
A giant digit.
A... Digital Extreme, if you will.
*G A L A X Y B R A I N*
you seem to have more knowledge than anyone else in existence, how long did you have to meditate in the void for?
Man, this have to be some sort of easter egg.
Waddaya wanna bet this is exactly the pun they were trying to make because they've given up on the story lmao
The finger belonged to entrati during grandpa's accident with his seriglass bell by completing every standing in entrati you get info from mek room
Warframe: Where everyone, even your friends hide important information from you and play you for a fool even though you are a mass mudering void God.
Crazy how it works out that way, huh?
[̲̅l][̲̅i][̲̅t][̲̅e] [̲̅d][̲̅e][̲̅l][̲̅i][̲̅g][̲̅h][̲̅t] Excuse me, I prefer the term "Genocidal overgrown sperm from the void"
The more power you have the more people will try to make fool of you to personal advantages.
I built my operator and frame with horns so the term void devil fits
If we weren't restricted by DE I'm pretty sure the majority of us would have murdered absolutely everything, including lotus and everyone hanging out relays, cuz lets be real they all kinda suck.
"Lightspeed's too slow! We need to go at the speed of.... THIS FINGER!"
*gasp*
actually it's:
*moan*
@@platinumgames1314 Take your like and leave
@@theotherasianguy8249 nay, methinks i will not : )
@@platinumgames1314 then your life is forfeited
@@calypsomightofthetaken5526 our battle shall be legendary
**lightsaber noises**
My Theory is this, the Orokin Empire has countless Ships and Towers that are not capable of void jumps, in fact none of the Orokin Technology beyond Transference Technology has ever been able to grasp void energy, yet the Orokin have Massive Solar Rails that connect each Planet & Moon to eachother within the Origin System (except for the Outer Terminus which was destroyed by the sentients during the old war.) but if the Orokin could build Railjacks (which were basically mobile solar rails), why isnt every Ship or Capital Ship fitted with this Void Engine? Why was the Zariman Ten Zero reliant on the Outer Terminus Solar Rail instead of its own power despite being the largest Orokin Supercapital Vessel we currently know of? (besides the Turaga class Worm Ship which we dont know the actual scale of yet). the reason is this, Solar Rails are massive because they need to store void energies to function, and are anchored to a single orbit because they need to continuously syphon these void energies to be effective, making Void Drives extremely ineffective in a tactical scenario for any Orokin Vessel, so they had to find another way to do it. and they did. they found.. the "Man in the Wall" .. (which may not even be a singular being, thus the countless fingers we have with us) and severed its essence. (this formed into a corporeal finger, which is still connected to its metaphysical form, thus allowing the ship to phase into the void) this was then used to power Railjacks with the use of a void key. and the container is used to syphon the void energy directly from the finger to the Void Engines of the ship allowing us to jump at will.
but i dont think Railjacks were made for the Tenno, it was crewed by Dax and was launched at the very start of the Old War, which explains why they used a finger as the catalyst, it works very similarly to our Orbiters Tenno Room, since we generate vast amounts of void energy at will, we can substitute for the fuel source of our Orbiters Void Engines.
RAP TAP TAP TAP TAP..
God dammit, Rell glitched so much, and I like 2 credits, and no Kinetic Siphon Traps. Jesus, it was way harder than it should of been.
Best believe I did not read all dat
Railjacks definately weren't meant for tenno.....really. Also....yeet my operator into the reliquary drive and see what happens.....just for fun.
Holy shit.... our void energies powers the Orbiter. This is why the operator sits in that chair, to power the ship. So because the finger is from the void, it has power like we do and is used by the Railjack.
How did we even get the finger? What was the Orokin doing before the Zariman Ten Zero incident? Where they fighting someone? Some other race? Some other beings? Is the Man in the Wall just a metephor for the Men in the Wall... or the race in the wall... the wall being the Void?
Goddamnit.. my mind is going in circles. lol
We might know what a worm ship looks like. Rewatch the Duviri Paradox trailer. (Although it might just be a giant Orokin being, like an upscaled Orokin fish or worm or stuff idk)
Some Rell lore might be helpful to explain the finger: Rell believed the void to be an entity in it of itself, with it assumed to be personified by The Man in the Wall. What if it, like The Man, is given an appearance that can be recognized by the Tenno? We see The Man in the Wall as ourselves to indicate that we are imbued with void energy, and if Rell is to be believed, imbued with this entity. Continuing this train of thought, what if we see it as a finger as symbolic of being part of the void entity? I immediately thought that The Man in the Wall was communicating that the finger belonged to another of whatever he was, but after some basic research, I wonder if there isn't even an "other." Think of it as a sort of "Void Eidolon," meaning that despite being several physical beings, there is only one thing. The "finger" could be a trapped part of the void entity; The Man in the Wall bends his finger to show that the big finger is a part of him.
Note that before the key is placed, there is a mist with loud banging, but once the key is placed, the bangs become tapping and whispered quotes from The Man in The Wall, and of course, we see the finger. My theory is this: The mist is it's "true" form, or at least a visual representation for the Orokin who know it as part of the void. When it becomes a finger, the void is trying to personify itself with the idea that the Tenno has found a part of a bigger whole. The Man in the Wall is there to connect the idea even further, maybe to tell the Tenno, "Yeah, I'm part of this thing, you can use it for now." To me a significant thing is that (for me at least), it seems that it's favorite quote is "Don't forget, kiddo, you owe me." This could mean that it is reminding you that one day, there will be a price for what you've taken, now including the void engine.
Also, fun fact: Cephelon Cy is voiced by the same person who voices Rell. Coincidence? I think... probably!
i like how you think
yeah that's a thing that I wanted to mention too xD everyone rewatch the scene when u put in the key into the engine and 'man in the wall' is siting on top of it... look at his right hand... he has one finger bend into the exact same position of the finger in the casing while holding all other fingers up normaly... just that one finger... and considering that each bodypart down to every part of a finger have to be animated we can be shure to say that this is intentional... sooooooooooooooo... "something's out there kiddo... watching us..."
also what about the Kuva, it's "the old blood" the old blood of what ? It's made out by changing the void power of tenno. Yeah, one day we will meet chronos/galactus or Something like that. Plus i'm pretty sure that the durivi paradox is before the tenno got their void power but it's just for me.
Cy: "Paradox. There is an absence in front of you. Describe it."
I think this refers to the Void in a cheeky way
And also Rell says Rap Tap Tap - is it possible that when he says that it comes from future when his finger in railjack is tapping?
If you remember the ending of The War Within, and approach the reliquary on the railjack, there seems to be a certain suggestion there - namely that the tenno made a deal with The Man in the Wall, but don't remember it. "You are nothing without me", "You owe me" - these are the things that the voice (believed to belong to the Man in the Wall) says to the tenno. It may turn out that the reason why the kids onboard the Zariman Ten Zero did not succumb to madness was because the Man in the Wall actively protected them from it, and then offered them superpowers to survive against the bloodthirsty adults. It is also possible that in the process of making the deal, the kids learned a lot about the void, and either the Man in the Wall took these memories, or the tenno actually shared what they learned with the Orokin, but the long dream (the hibernation) made them forget. Remember - we had one tenno who was never put in the hibernation, and knew about the Man in the Wall all along - Rell. The idea that Rell was the only one to remember the Man in the Wall seems to go against the idea of the Man itself being responsible for the tenno not remembering the deal - why would Rell be allowed to remember when others were not? Moreover, this could contribute to the explanation of why exactly the Orokin were downright afraid of the tenno - human history is full of events where one person has discovered something about our universe that goes against a previously accepted "truth" and ends up being branded a "devil" or "whitch" for it, in attempts to keep the common folk unaware.
In all this there is still one, chilling question to ask: What did the tenno agree to, as their side of the deal?
The deal might be for the Tenno to be a vessel for Man in the Wall to be able to interact with the world outside of the void
What if it was to kill the Orokin?
@@daydreamdirty then the deal would be concluded by now. Why would Wally start bothering the tenno all of a sudden?
Ak Hannar start? Didn’t it all start with the ship lost out in the void and then the kids being messed with? No I believe it all started years ago- possibly around the time the sentients went out of control
@@daydreamdirty When I said "start" I meant that the Man in the Wall has not been making his presence known to the tenno until the ending of the War Within.
I know this is a year later but considering all the stories surround the void and the man in the Wall I think it's safe to say that the finger belongs to "it". In Albretch Entrati's story, he details his encounter with the entity when he sees a copy of himself in the void. After escaping back through the portal and instructing his daughter to close it behind him, the entity is seen following him, reaching out and then having his fingers cut off as the portal closes. Albretch then uses the fingers to harvest the voids power, creating the orokin technology everyone is familiar with now.
I think this finger is one from the entity, after you see it during the rising tide mission waving at you, you'll notice it's index finger is bent out of place.
While the ship is powered by this finger (and in turn, the void), the man in the Wall spreads it's influence over all those that try to harness it's power.
Cephalpn Cy in this mission didn't receive any orders from anyone, he killed his own crew under the influence of the void. You can hear him at conflict with himself all the time, unable to comprehend his own actions and the phenomena around the railjack itself. Just like you, he's living with the man in the Wall and it's slowly eating away at him.
To me, the finger is some representation of a piece of the man in the wall. And it is described as what powers the void translation drive, which tracks with it being something connecting the ship to the void.
As for everything else you talked about... yep, all sounds about right to me. I will note that the sentient we've fought so far ate only tiny fragments of 'true' Sentients(Hunhow/sentients depicted in Erra prologue), which are massive. The things we've fought are comparable to antibodies. Comparably tiny parts of a lager whole. Eidolons are the same. They're like an octopus' tentacle cut off from the main body. The sentient is dead but its fragments are effectively flailing aimlessly whenever they aren't being bombarded by solar radiation.
I mean... We may actually see and participate in Kaiju battles, like for real. God, Please let DE pull this off, please?!?!? That would be so cool, but if it's a buggy mess it will totally kill the vibe...
@@TheDsIEGE Its like begging to get a shadow of the colossus feel vs bugs are now features bugframe style networking. I would have faith if they could fix something as simple as doors being client based instead of serverside.
This aged well
Yooooooooppoo how did you know
@@rt3playz359 I mean... most of the game's lore and theming has been there in the game's background for years.
I was having arguments about the true nature of the Tenno for two years prior to the second dream. Back when they had operations there was comments from Vor and Alad that the warframes were being controlled by 'demons from the void' and that the warframes powers didn't make sense based on literal dissections they had performed.
We had seen glimpses of the sentients already at this point, and Hunhow referring to the sentients we fought as his 'fragments' wasn't a metaphor... they're literally fragments of his true self.
The sentients couldn't replicate after the jump back from Tao... so they divided themselves to create their armies; literally fragmenting themselves.
Got some new (for me) interactions from the "finger room" today. You might know these. Went to the room after boarding directly from my Orbitor without interacting with anything.
Female voice (my op is male):
1. "You mad at me, Tenno? Did you forget? You owe me."
2. "Don't forget, Tenno. You're nothing without me"
3. "Hey Kiddo. What took you so long?"
4. "Hey Kiddo"
The last one (4) with a lot of more male ish echoes.
Rap Tap Tap. The tapping on the glass is from The Man In The Wall.
exactly what I thought
Rap tap tap you are going to get clap
I know it is been one year, but still.
Man in the wall, also known as Rell was, to say "killed", well better, freed by The Tenno, so he is no more.
Hope this helped.
Wait so not only is he fingering my ship. HE IS SMUDGING UP MY GLASS!!!
@@whirlly rell isn’t the man in the wall
DE really needs to start answering questions instead of adding more of them every "expansion". The universe they created is truly interesting but all this vagueness for years and years is getting tiresome.
I'm not sure if I could have stated this point any better.
I think doing both would be the best. Answering questions that have been created in the past, and create more questions at the same time. If we weren't questioning what will happen next then there is no reason to care to find out.
Yeah, I have to agree with Malaki on this thread. I agree with you that situations that have way too many questions and not enough answers can get super frustrating, however DE appears to be answering the questions that are most pressing in our minds kinda in that order. We wake up, do a bunch of missions and find out a little about who we are. Then more about the void jump. And a little more about our caretaker. And a little more about Margulis. And a little more about the sentients. I feel you, though, that I hope some massive amount of lore gets dropped on us soon to not only conclude some of the story arcs we've followed, but create new and different ones going forward.
@@RedShadowOfSaturn yeah I hope we get a heavy lore drop with the new war.
Thats what new war somehow aims to do but also leverian
"When Albrecht returned from the Void he ordered his daughter to close the portal. His twin-entity following behind. The portal collapses and cuts the entity's fingers, which will later be studied by Orokin scientists to harness the Void's powers."
I'm pretty sure that when I completed my ship, and the finger *thunked* into my void container to power the ship in that cinematic, once the camera released and I turned around, my void-doppleganger was sitting there waiving at me with a hand that was now missing it's index finger. Anyone else remember this? It seems to me that the void itself might be sentient in a way; enigmatic, unknowable. The void drive captures a bit of the Void itself, and the void shows this to us with our Doppleganger. The Man in the Wall, our Doppleganger, the Tenno power, the corruption/evolution of the Sentients, and the power of the Orokin all seem to be interwoven with the void and it's mysteries. Very Lovecraftian, but not quite as over the top about it as Warhammer 40k.
@Naveen KV Ah, thanks for the clarification. Nice that Mr. Wallie did make a reference to it, though. It shows that the void is aware of the connection.
I actually think they are borrowing a bit from WH40K with this. Very much like Gellar drives and the Void(Warp) is full of demonic entities that haunt you even on your ship. Hell they even call that container the "reliquary drive" which hints to the old Catholic tradition of preserving the bones of saints in ampules and the such.
@Naveen KV I mostly like the fiction and computer games. Never really got into the tabletop game. That being said, I would check out the Horus Heresy books. They go back to the "start" when the Traitor legions turn against the Emperor. I have a pretty large collection of books over the last 20 years, but I am not sure how easy it would be to get copies.
@Naveen KV oh one other interesting fact, Warcraft I believe was originally supposed to use GW licensed lore, but something went South and Blizzard created it's own lore. Pretty sure as an FU to GW they made StarCraft and the Zerg borrow HEAVILY from the design of the Tyranids.
@Naveen KV Hey man, cannot really condone what you do, but I understand it too. The books can be a tad expensive and GW especially likes to F people over with pricing. I guess I would say start with the Horus Heresy series. I myself started in the middle of things during the late 90s early 2000s and was confused alot, kind of like piecing together a puzzle, but you could glean enough to figure out the back story. If you start with the Horus Heresy which started later near 2010 I think, it will lay out the backstory. It takes a few books to really ramp up though as the "rebellion" starts slowly and builds. Although these are good books to get a feel for why the Galaxy is in the state it is in the 41st millennium, it starts rather "clean" without as much demonic chaotic entities.
Clearly it's a new warframe... Jokes aside this is quite disturbing. Maybe the finger is too a statue of some power. And I only trust Teshin and Clem.
HOW SICK WOULD IT BE TO CONTROL A GIANT WARFRAME?!?!??!?!?!? It would be like piloting VOLTRON! WHERE DO I SIGN UP FOR THAT?!?!?!?!
I trust teshin and Clem but I also Darvo and maybe glast
Darvo's alright. You know where he stands.
He's a man trying to make a (mostly) honest living.
@@TheDsIEGE but to prevent new players using it it would require a Very expensive launcher
The Cephalon was ordered to stand the ship down by Balas since he was working with the Sentients to destroy the Orokin. I'll be honest, I feel bad for the Cephalon. He cared about the crew and he is distraught. I would like to give him vengence....
Yeah, that makes all the sense. Ballas might actually have that kind of authority, too. Whereas I'm still not completely sold unless they give me more in the ways of how Ballas would be able to hide something like that without raising suspicion, I think that's about as good a theory as one can have given what we know.
@@TheDsIEGE I would love if this was true and we get a Light vs Dark decision to kill or spare Ballas in a Railjack mission. But, either choice we make the Cephalon takes control of the ship and kills Ballas.
Feels a little like 2001 A Space Odyssey
Another possible reason could've maybe been the sentient somehow hacking and taking control of cephalon Cy--it's been said in some parts of the lore how Sentients could take control of technology thrown at them, and that's why the Orokin had to take a step back and start using "primitive" ballistic weapons.
Jerry, if that happens, I'll let Cy kill him so he can bring out some revenge. No one hurt Cy!
I doubt the finger itself is related to eidolons or the sentients, due to them being non-organic.
Realistically the closest sentients can get to the finger is either as space mommy, which imitates organic life forms or mimics... which is close to being the same thing.
When the finger got activated it sprouted crystal roots and activated the railjack, similarly we see void towers being full of the crystal roots too, in the void.
We also see it in the derelicts as decaying roots, which differs from your usual infestation.
Since the finger gave the roots to the railjack it's assumable that it gave the roots to every single orokin tower, both in the void and the derelicts.
Since it's mass produced, the orokin must have been grinding up living organisms for this.
The only place not fully explored is the void and that's where we got the orokin towers and the derelicts from, so most likely it's native to the void.
The man inside the wall is literally shoved inside the wall to make it all work.
Makes me wonder if there's a part of the void creature in the liset, since we can't expect the tenno being sufficient to sprout the roots considering the tenno was on the moon all this time.
OH MY GOD. You talking about "the man in the wall" made me realize. The ostron cut up flesh from the Tower of unum. Destroyed remanis of orokin towers in railjack missions have dry and organic shapes to them. The crystal roots grow in the void and the moon in a natural, non-planned pattern. The Orokin must have used flesh to rise their buildings, and part of that flesh must have consciousness( similar to what was done to umbra ). That would explain why your warframe moves at the end of the second dream. It isn't "killed" flesh(well, not entirely) like the structures made to be operated by Cephalons. Dude it's 1am and i'll probably find myself crazy when i wake up but you just clicked the craziest shit ever to my brain
@@Luiz_orneduom I doubt the warframe moving part being due to flesh.
Warframes were made with infestation as parts of the flesh and mechanical parts to create a brainless / semi-dumb empty puppet. If anything moved the warframe it was the tenno being k.o'd and reverting to dream control or semi-conscious control of it. Alternatively, and less likely, the man in the wall guys have some sort of similar ability of transference or linked up to your whole transference due to void abilities, which shows no other evidence of ever happening. So yeah, it's either the tenno, or the nearly brainless infested mass within the warframe.
For me, the tapping you hear was a dead giveaway. "Tap, tap, tap, goes the Man in the Wall..."
Now, you really want something to mull over? One; what if ALL of those fingers are the exact same finger? Two; what if said finger wasn't found or taken by force by the Orokin, but rather, it was WILLINGLY donated? Three; what if the Man in the Wall had the Railjack's original crew killed just for you to get your own ship down the line...one directly connected to it? And, finally; what if the reason it appears to us as a doppelganger is because, it IS us? What if the power the kids wield isn't just the natural result of absorbing void energy?... What if they brought something back with them?... Or SOMEONE?... Or even an even more disturbing train of thought; what if the Zariman Ten Zero didn't REALLY have any survivors at all?...
"Why did you put children on a military ship?"
"We didn't. That would violate the protocol."
- Ember Prime's codex entry iirc.
And there we go.
The ten zero was a colony ship, men, women, and children... A ship that disappeared when it entered a void jump, to who knows where...
@@comebackkid1007 Well, the wiki says otherwise.
CHA0SXIII near your early paragraph of the third, what if it is bidden power just like the Olympian gods, they stay young, what if the tenno are like that what if , the duviri paradox is when we lose our power after the new war, it goes back to the finger or the man in the wall. What if thats why we are grown up and use weapons in the duviri paradox? Or what if the horse guy is the man in the wall or something like that. I have more
Note the ideal that the Orokin worship, the "duality".
The Man in the Wall could also be simply be the collective subconscious of the Tenno manifesting via void shenanigans. The doppelganger we see could very well be a hallucination from the void powers interacting with the subconscious.
the finger is stuck in between spaces like how limbo is
That's a good theory and would explain a lot...
You've given me chills. I loved Empyrean Quest line with Cy's narration. So emotional! Would love a WF soundtrack with this sequence of stories from Cy, kind of like how the Romeo And Juliet OST had 2 volumes, one for music and the other with a mix of music and script reading
You blew my mind... I need to watch a few more videos to gather my thoughts...ill be back with an essay maybe tomorrow...wait for it..
Love your videos and level of thought you put into them bro... Gives me tingles
Watching this and leaning to those clips again got me thinking. What if Cephalon Cy wasn't remembering what happened to his crew as a cephalon, but as the 4th crew member. It may be a long shot, but I think it could be mad enough to be a possibility. ^^
I've never really considered this to be a finger of a creature. I've always looked at it as if something has been mummified and left in a pod similar to a tenno/warframe.
But this entity isn't dead, more suspended or imprisoned "tap tap tap goes the man in the wall". And what you are seeing is what it either wants you to perceive or how it's dressed to represent it's function. A metaphorical pointing the tenno in the right direction.
But that is just how I see it. Probably going to be some HUGE sentient void creature.
imagine an event where its a new place to free roam and anyone who joins that place is in the same exact instance (like a hub of sorts) and in this free roaming place spawn a GIANT boss that everyone can kill together. like, imagine 100 unique players killing a giant raid boss the size of a mountain together, it would be sick.
My interpretation? Something in The Void is manipulating events. It pulled the Zariman into the Void to create the Tenno, it used the Janus Key to seduce and corrupt Captain Vor, it influenced the Sentients who made the jump to Tau.
My supporting evidence: The "Man in the Wall", or "Hey Kiddo", or whatever you prefer to call the Doppelganger of your Tenno is just as enigmatic and mysterious as ever, though its reactions based on your final choice in The War Within all make a certain measure of sense if you believe that this Void Entity is somehow pulling strings behind the scenes. Whether you destroy the kuva, give it to Teshin, or drink it, its reaction seems to imply that it sees you as a minion, or a child that ranges from obedient (Drinking the kuva) to rebellious and rude (destroying the kuva).
Then you can think about certain inconsistencies in how Lotus/Natah is behaving throughout the entire storyline. Lotus believed herself to be the Mother of the Tenno up until after somehow being reawakened to her true form as a Sentient Mimic after leaving her throne room with Ballas. Ballas, as far as we know, is the only surviving Orokin, and for the trouble of releasing Lotus/Natah he was mutilated into an Amalgam. Yet consider this: in the Erra and New War cutscenes, Natah doesn't recognize Ballas. Presumably she's the one who converted Ballas into an Amalgam (Possibly with Alad V's help). I believe the Void has even managed to infect Natah's mind with false memories, not just the Orokin, and perhaps Natah even has a doppelganger or split consciousness. Either that, or this whole thing is still being manipulated somehow by Ballas, as you can see in the New War cutscene that he's rather pleased with himself at points despite being leashed by "Erra", but when Natah proves resistant to the story "Erra" is trying to impose upon her, "Erra" throws her into the device within the sentient capitol ship by force after releasing Ballas' leash, allowing Ballas to stand fully upright alongside "Erra". This was only done when Natah noticed that Ballas was an Orokin, or "Maker" as the sentients know them.
We still don't know nearly enough about how much pull the Void Entity has over the Origin System and its factions and people. The Tenno were just one aspect of the Void forcing its way into the system. It's clear, at least to me, that the Void Entity can take many forms and can only be truly seen and experienced by the Tenno or those who have been sufficiently corrupted by the void (Like Captain Vor). Despite this, causing audio-visual hallucinations in Tenno seems to be the extent of how it can manifest in traditional space for now. Could it be wanting to pit factions against each other, seeking a way to tear a rift through traditional space to flood our side with Void and give itself greater power on this side? We don't know, and that's scarier and more interesting than the answer's we're likely to get even with Duviri Paradox.
See if I do this right to hide potential spoilers.
When your copy/man in the wall appears on the Finger reactor, he/she is holding one finger down while they wave at you... Suggesting the finger belongs to the Man in the wall? If they are a being that is beyond the holds of reality, maybe the finger allows passage through the void and or reality to travel? If so why hasn't the Man in the wall stepped through to us if just the finger is enough to allow travel? And how do the Grineer ships travel then, do they have finger reactors? I'm going to have to play RailJack and search one of those grineer ships lower levels now that I think about it!
Could be... I purposely left that part out as to not sway opinion. Even though he was there... I'm still not sold the finger belongs to him. I'm not even sure "he" even exists as a physical being. I suppose we'll see though...
@@TheDsIEGE Very True, it could be he's just playing along and the finger isn't actually gone on the copy's hand... Maybe a Red Herring to throw us off... Though I have to wonder with all the talk of alternate realities existing at the same time... is it many fingers or just 1 in every ship? The existence, even if just hinted of such a being is profoundly amazing and disturbing at the same time.
@@HimitsuDragon It's not gone, it's just bent over. Take a look when you get a chance. When our twin sits at the very end, all fingers are accounted for...
@@TheDsIEGE Yeah that's what I meant, the fingers are all there, it isn't actually gone. (it's bent over as I mentioned in the first post.) and that's why it's a red herring since it's not really gone on the clone. The clone is just messing with us as usual.
The dreaming world is also a lovcratian reference, “the fold between worlds”
I trust in quill onkko, he's only one that tries to explain more to you what actually awaits you in your struggle.
0:45 I lost it and laughed so hard I was crying, No joke I now have a sign in my drydock that says "Now thats a big ass finger"-TheDsIEGE
I like how the man in the wall interacts with you
My team kinda assumed it was the finger from the man in the wall that made Rell go insane
What scares me more is that the void demon voice, the "Man in the Wall" said something along the lines of "Careful kiddo, something out there is watching us" for me. WTF DOES THAT MEAN?! Is there something out there that scares him?!
Who would have thought a video about a finger is the one that made me want to play Warframe after a year away
I haven't even noticed it was a finger. This whole time I thought it was a body wrapped in cloth.
Always thought it was a body, not a finger . hopefully they get more into lore soon
This reminded me that the cephalon said that he isn't a viable cephalon near the start of the quest I think. And there's currently a locked intrinsics for (Command) still locked after revisit. Which might imply a possible quest or something of unlocking Command?
I've got a feeling it belongs to "The Man in the Wall" which would explain its abilities to mimic voices and get into your head.
That Finger belongs to the man on the wall!.
Watch your doppelganger when you place the key, it waves at you with it's index finger down or missing. It's sitting on top of the housing.
THEY SHOWED US MAN IN THE WALL AND HE HAS NO FINGER im so hyped cuz that means its true the capsule has his finger AAA
The line from Cy about killing the crew reminds me of the Operator at the end of The Sacrifice.
Conspiracy: it’s connected to the ship and the railjacks are gonna be some evangelion/darling in the franxx kinda thing
In the new war at the end when the man in the wall shows up he is missing an index finger which looks to be the same size and color shade as the one in the pod. If you click f on the pod one of Cy's lines says its a paradox. Like we heard so much during the quest.
To think Gara made her stand against about millions of those
I know that whatever happens, Hok will always be trustworthy.
You skipped over a huge detail, the man in the wall appears over top of the finger once it appears in the reliquary. The void inside before the finger appear speaks to you and ask what took use so long with many of the words we heard in the past. But my biggest thing about the void demon appearing is what he does with his hand while sitting ontop of the reliquary. His hand gesture, he shows 4 fingers with his thumb over the index.
Also worth some note, the void key is needed, aboriform grows out of the pod like the ones on Lua with the void ghost and after they grow a finger pops in and the void demons appears ontop of the finger. The finger doesnt move after this, seems it only moved doing to being move/thrown inside. But this resembles transference and void gate technology. I honestly think it's a Tenno's finger, used to power the ships abilities to use the void engine Cy hits at. The tenno are the only ones in game so far that use their fingers and hands to control the void or aspects of. Inaros had an issue with the orokin stealing children for some inhumane experimentation and i think its tied to Lua and tied to this finger. Lua has void gates to Mars.
Really great lore video, man, well done! Lore and story in this game are so easily and often forgotten amid arguments about rewards and scaling and stats and numbers and rewards and activities and all that. It's one of the biggest motivators of playing any game that goes beyond just "well, but is this new weapon REALLY worth it?"
Thank you! Honestly, I play this game FOR THE STORY. The gameplay is very fun, but the lore is what intrigues me the most. Future's looking pretty good too, "fingers" crossed, lol.
@@TheDsIEGE I don't blame you. The grind and collection stuff is there for people who want to play the game longer, but there are definitely those who care more about the narrative and quests, and when they finish those, they move to something else. Totally fine way to play. In fact, it's actually better to not be addicted to any live service game, no matter how good, than to be so involved and invested it becomes a source of constant stress.
The generators already power the railjack, and the orbiter doesnt have a finger in it as far as we know, so maybe it's used to jump the fold and travel large distances through the void when we load up a mission or as the Zariman was supposed to do.
Well, this could be a streetch, but, as we know from Cephalon Suda comic...
*SPOILER ALERT*
Suda used to be a human, more precisely, an Archemedian if I'm not mistaken, who choose to become a cephalon in order to preserve her memories.
On another note about Ordis...
*SPOILER ALERT*
... Used to be also a human (or another specie of phisical form) called Ordon Caris, wich was transformed into a cephalon by Ballas.
My take on this is simple, since Cy says that "Something touches me... Impossible" makes me think that maybe, that finguer might belong to the previous form of Cy before becoming a cephalon, wich could indeed be some sort of gigantic form of life from the void (or maybe some species that would be giants but were maybe subjects of some void experiment like us Tenno (since we're basicly a battery of void energy wich blows up if it doesnt have a somatic link attattched for to long) that would make sense) that were probably captured by the orokin (or even us Tenno) decimated as they imposed a threat, converted into cephalons all named Cy (since its seems like a strong cephalon is needed in order to operate a big ship like a railjack) and with some of its body parts left out as energy sources for the railjacks themselves (since we don't even know if a full body is needed for an entity to become a cephalon (since we don't need a finger to survive as example) since the ships might need some sort of "void battery" to operate they're abilities (in other words, he link between Cy and the Railjack would be something along the lines of the Tenno and the Warframe, not entierly, but something like it).
I know it's a long one, but I think there's something good going on in here... What do you guys think?? :)
That's a totally new theory about the finger, I never heard of that before. It seems interesting... However, I don't remember any info about Cephalon being humans, while I completed every quest except for Erra.
@@moimoi9995 check the comic that precedes the Suda quest, there you know about Suda's past,
And about Ordis past, is hidden in the Cephalon fragments in the codex
probably part of the man on the wall's real body, which allowed the orokin to access the void in a reliable way
I mean, Ballas was an Executor of the Orokin Empire, responsible for the Tenno and was (as per the Sacrifice) betraying the empire to the Sentients. Given Cy was programmed to "fail" the mission one way or another, doesn't Occam's razor point to Ballas, a person in a position that would allow access to the Railjack Cephalons and with a motive to sabotage the Imperial war effort?
Consider the following:Gaara canonically murdered the eidolon on the planes of eidolon BY HERSELF
You are really underselling the tenno here
a finger... the whole time i thought it was a sort of body bag
I honestly that finger was just a wrapped up mummy
Holy shit.. that finger still actually moves!? O_O!?
If you guys remember the teaser picture for the duviri faction with the odd-looking man sitting on the throne, that's probably where it came from
I believe the Orokin, like at other times, were meddling with things beyond their comprehension (again) and were willing to sacrifice the crew of that railjack to try and further a purpose of some kind. Long winded reasoning to follow:
The reason the Tenno exist was because a warship was loaded with civilians, which was against Orokin law, and rigged to fail outside the Void and drift in, all in an attempt to see what would happen. The result was a ship full of only the children as the others did not survive, having been corrupted by the void and eventually either killed by the some remaining children or other unknown causes. The children, at this point refered to as the Zariman Children, were then left in cryo-sleep as they had frieghtening powers the Orokin did not understand and thought of as a threat to their society. Later, when one of the experimental Warframes, at this time being made by injecting people with the Warframe virus (modified infestation virus to make what are now refered to as Umbra Warframes), went berserk and killed may people in the lab where it was at. Two scientists, running for their lives, come accross the door to where the Zariman children are in cryosleep when the Warframe stops and calms down. These scientists realize this discovery and find that these Zariman children can use transferance (the ability to put one's mind into another artificial body from any distance) naturally and safely whereas the Orokin had been trying to do this via artificial means but all test proved failures as long term exposure to transferance killed nearly all the test subjects. This was then used in combination with artificially made Warframes that were made from pure infestation and a restraining bolt to allow the Zariman children, now dubbed 'Tenno', to use transference to control these Warframes, finally making the elite force the Orokin wanted. The Orokin also at this time erased the memories of the Tenno and trained them to be soldiers, obeying orders without question, but the Tenno, like all other creations of the Orokin such as the Infestation, the Grineer, and the Sentience, turned on the Orokin and were able to fully overthrow them. Though this is the basic story of how the Tenno came to be as they are it shows hoe the Orokin constantly messed with stuff they did not understand and there are more examples spread throughout the lore that can be found within the game.
Interesting related facts:
-The Silver Grove gained its sentience as a result of a person using artificial transference to integrate their consciousness with the grove, which at the time was an experiment of some kind at the time. The person died as a result of the transference but their consciousness merged with the artificially created tree, eventually becoming the Silver Grove.
-The Infestation was originally designed by the Orokin to be a bio-weapon against their enemies. It backfired (surprise surprise)
-The Sentience, though originally thought of as an abomination by the Orokin to the point the original creator was almost executed, was created to help build solar rails and eventually a new colony for the Orokin, the only weakness they had being that they could not enter the Void as they would be killed by the Void Radiation. The Sentience, tired of being slaves and knowing the Orokin would only bring turmoil there too, revolted. The reason for this idea was to escape from the Infestation as well as unrest in the system that threatened to overthrow the Orokin Empire.
-The Tenno were meant to be the last resort to stop the unrest in the system as well as to fight against the Sentience.
Edit: some of this may have been changed over the development of Warframe but much of it should still be accurate.
How on earth did you have the time to write this?
@@jonathanh.2483 Lols. With Corona going around and us being told to stay in our homes what else is there to do?
Fair enough.
Someone actually guessed it was the man in the walls finger a year ago
My thoughts are that the finger belongs to some void entity, thereby allowing the jumps through the void the ship does to get between missions
“Who do all these fingers belong to!?” Lmao best line
A reliquary is a container for, typically religious, relics of the past. Often containing physical remains of saints or otherwise holy artifacts. I'm starting to believe that we might have a Forerunner/Precursor thing going on in Warframe where the dominant race (Orokin) turned on their gods and won. The Orokin then took the power for themselves possibly explaining kuva and their overall self righteousness.
Anyway, my point is, I think it is a remnant of whatever came before the Orokin rose to power. A godlike entity that is thought to be extinct or no longer has its physical form. I'm assuming the man in the wall is one such creature.
you completely forgot about the man in the wall aka doppelganger appearing
This comment contains info on cephlons and how they came to be this contains a small-ish spoiler.
this is my theory/thought on this subject
This could possibly be cepalon cy's body in their,wrapped in cloth to prevent anything from making contact with it.
Why i think it's his body is because all cephalons were once people who have been turned into a peice of sentient data "thing"'this is generally done for them to either continue to live due the amount of knowledge they have(suda) or to completely wipe their memory.(ordis)
ordis is a good example,he used be a very deadly hunter with good amount of skill for anything that involved assassination of targets. And so he was becoming a large threat to the orokin he was working for and messed up,big time and so he became a ship cephalon with his memory wiped and stored into those data blocks that are found on missions.
Suda had an effect of some kind which provided her with memory storage of the general gold fish where she would remember events that had happen that day but then forget about them the next day,oh and she was and still as emotional as a robot. And so she willingly turned her self into a cephalon just so that she have an actual working memory and would be of use as a data vault,sorta like simaris except without torturing her contained subjects.
Ok now that's done,oh and their a very,very slim chance he's just a dax person like excalibur umbra.
thats all.
Hold on, is this the same kind of void engine as the one that was on Parvos Granum's ship? The one that was sabatoged and effectively created the Granum void? And inside the Granum void seems to be giant Granum Crown coins... could this finger have originally been normal-sized and then somehow was warped into being giant by some kind of property of the kind of void energy used? Perhaps in order for a void engine to work it needs something to anchor it to this side of reality in the form of a person, and the best way to provide that without sacrificing a whole person is to just warp their finger off of them while it's still attached somehow?
This is the monkey finger which curled for people wishing Railjack came out sooner
My theory is that Digital Extremes is giving us the finger. Bastards haha
Raptaptap man in the wall...
A friend says it could actually be a Higgs Boson joke. according to him “we can start realistically think about interstellar travel.” fitting.
Could the worm ships CY is talking about be from the duviri paradox trailer?
NEW WAR SPOILERS AHEAD:
When the man in the wall appeared in the new war, it had an index finger missing.
I can't help but think the man in the wall manipulated everything to what end no clue
Could be a single finger that exists in an alternate reality paradox, so it’s really just an illusion of multiple
Cephelon Suda's Corruption by the memory sentient leads me to believe that the order was given by a sentient,
I hear “release me”
Its a relic of the man in the wall, the lidless eye, the void itself.
I never really thought much about railjack and the lore surrounding it, guess it's time 2 boot it up and uncover some mysteries.
Oh yeah, there's definitely some stuff there. It might end up leading to some really interesting stuff soon? I don't want to get my hopes up, but this at least has me intrigued...
@@TheDsIEGE now you got me all hyped up as well XD can't w8 for scarlet spear
Yeah, they said it was gonna be lore heavy, so I'm excited too. Just waiting for the update to hit consoles and I'm gonna dig back into railjack...
thank you for putting this together
I didn’t know about the finger!
I couldn’t make out what was in there when I looked until hearing you say “finger” and I instantly could see it. What the frick, every time I think I’m starting to grasp the lore of this game I learn of another curveball!
imagine if they release ACTUAL raids into the game with special guns or maybe good drop chances. That would be really cool!
It is from the Man in the Wall. When it shows up, your doppelgänger holds up its hand. They have their pointer finger folded down as if it is missing. As for Cy's bizarre orders, that seems in line with standard Orokin dickery.
It is literally the finger of the man I the wall
The premise of the rising tide quest is that the sentients are rebuilding their armada, and the railjacks are the only ships capable of fighting them off. Also on the way to void storm missions you see one of the wormships. Also there is a mod that gives turrets bonus damage against sentient ships. Also cephalon Cy's description of what happened when they were about to win and the power went out is similar to what father says the orphix used to do when they shut down all technological things. I think we will be fighting sentient ships and fighters and they will be using massive orphix waves to knock out our ship, but we will have to board their ship and use the necramechs to knock out the resonators so that our ships can strike down the reactors.
People been cutting Zeus's fingers to power spaceships.
OMG. I just figured it was The Man In The Wall. Mind BLOWN! Awesome video!
My guesses is that it’s a Tenno with a growing ability and went rogue and had to detainee but put his soul in his finger
If we make a nuke out of can it be called “flipping the bird”
You forgot the part where it says "Remember without me your are nothing!"
There must be an april fools joke where the finger in the tank thing is replaced by a hand that occasionaly makes random gestures and gives the boarding ennemys the middle finger when they get too close.
We know that Ballas was a traitor to the Sentients, for one reason or another (personally, I find his reasons absolutely moronic but, hey, I guess I never took a lover to be publicly executed for being nice to kids so what do I know). It's entirely likely that the finger is unrelated to the past destruction of Cy's previous crew and more linked to Ballas sabotaging any ship trying to stop the war, since he wanted Margulis back. And he would have succeeded, had we not shown up and exploded everything in existence.
The finger itself is likely not a finger at all, but something that we 'perceive' as a finger. We know that this potentially exists and that it annoys Cephalons; Ordis refers to the Relics (when we first got them) that 'they are many things but collapse into one thing under specific circumstances'. And what are those circumstances; Void energy. Guess where that Void energy is, what dwells in the Void and what we have heard about the Void from someone forcefully exposed to it.
The 'finger' is not a finger at all, but if I told you that there is someone out there, tapping, what part of them would you expect to do the tapping? It's a finger because we have heard of 'The Man in The Wall' and his tapping (Rap. Tap. Tap.). We see a finger because we expect to see a finger. It's likely just a sliver of The Man in The Wall, reaching out and trying to breach into our reality. The Orokin did indeed have machinery capable of tapping into that alternate dimension's energy and this is a massive clump, or even source, of it. The Orokin, in their arrogance, developed technology that could pull energy from things they didn't understand; like someone creating a nuclear reactor but not understanding how radioactive materials actually produce energy, thus failing to take any precaution.
TL;DR: Ballas sabotaged Cy, the finger is a tentacle of Cthulhu, we're gonna stab/shoot/explode Cthulhu as soon as we get Space Mommy back.
I think that thing in the railjack is the key to duviri paradox, maybe later in the story we voidjump with the railjack to zariman10-0. I listened some voice lines what cephalon cy say about it when u activate that thing.
What a beautiful game: finger-powered warp drive
The white rope/string/vine thing conected to it is the same that we find in the void and atached to operator pods. What im thinking is that similar to operators and WF what ever this finger is has some sort of greater mind overseeing the ship to some extent. I want to think that its a greater mind that oversees the ships functions some how but CY is in that role.
Aloso do we know how many cannon railjacks there are. Becuse i have a theory that this monster is unique and and it consciousness is somehow part of several ships via certian boddy parts it once posesed. By being part of several ships it could single handedly give orders to rail jack cepholons and micro manage a battle.
(There might be a rail jack w a dick. If he is uniqe the gota use every part to its fullest)
I actually really like this theory... Would explain why these drives are on this ship whereas our orbiter doesn't have the finger drive... My original thought was that some entity has it's "fingers" in many ships at once, wearing them kinda like a glove in order to both control and coodinate large scale assaults at once, which is kinda like what you're saying I think. And... although their may be a dick drive out there, I'm just glad my railjack wasn't one of those, lol...
A dick drive.
Interesting.
We can see that the entity the fingers belonged to (and at that point were still attached to) appears to have been used to stabilize reality within the diving bell grandfather Entrati used to pierce the veil. I wonder if not just the hands were still attached at that moment. Perhaps one day we will find our way to Albrecht's lab and locate the remains of this entity likely housed in a post alpha-transmission orokin built containment unit, much like the digits we possess on our railjacks. I believe these units are used to augment the connection between these fragments and the main body across time and space to allow for untethered access to the void gates we use. I find it truly maddening that we are unable to press Gomaitru for information regarding this seemingly primordial and eldritch lifeform sleeping beneath the lab she spent so much time in ( it is likely her father kept many secrets from her I suppose). I think Cy was likely hacked by the man in the wall as it would make no sense for the orokin to sabotage a crucial mission against the sentients during the old war resulting in the deaths of their most powerful and loyal servants.
Isn't it void powered? If so, we could be seeing the special interpretation of a part of the void since we have a connection with it no other has. For example, when we reconnect fully with the void in the war within, and regain access to our powers, someone takes control over us from the inside, familiarly welcoming us and asking if we forgor about him, or maybe.... it. After we encounter Rell and we are faced with our decisions we made on the ship, this "man in the wall" starts appearing and talking to us, the same entity who spoke to us at the end of the war within. And then, sometimes, when we look at this reactor with a "finger" inside, the man in the wall is on top of it waving at us with a missing finger.
My theory is that the void is not only a dimmension, but an entity. And that this entity, for whatever reason, linked with us aboard the Zariman Ten Zero, resulting in our powers. This entity is the void, and the so called man in the wall, since he doesn't have a body or form of its own, he takes ours to speak to us after we fully connected with it again at the end of TWW. And that finger we see is not an actual finger, but if we see "the void" on a human form on a regular basis, it wouldn't be outlandish to think we see a part of the void as a part of a human.
I think the man in the wall is the Void personified. and its doing what it wants. I think the finger is a way of saying "I gave apart of myself to you" and since this is the void expressed as being "unlimited zeros" has the ability to manifest a giant finger if it wanted.
That finger is very human-like. Doesn't look like it belongs to any sentient, eidolon or something like that.
However as New War conclusion showed, it's most likely going to be related to the man in the wall. Considering he arrived on a living wall with a massive human-like body - that's most likely the form he chooses to often take. And we have something that belongs to him...
I havent finished watching yet nor looked at comments, so its possible you mention this later, but @5:01 the tapping.....Rap tap tap tap.....perhaps its the "Man in the Wall" and this is his finger, partially making his way from the void into the, for lack of better terms atm, Material Plane of existance. Because all of it seems like it calls back to the Chains of Harrow and The Sacrifice questlines.
Idk about the finger thing. The void is all that is chaos, what does and doesn't together in one impossible place where time and space are variables to adjust rather than rules to follow.
I kinda just figured that the finger was a finger cause random void shenanigans.
But I could be wrong of course.
I know what's inside, a clue to find the last *n-word pass.*
Side note:the orokin worm ship in the diviri paradox is named "Turaga-class worm ship"
turaga has 9 definitions in diferent languages
it also means something in the bonicle universe, you know, the one with the giant space robot
@@platinumgames1314 ok,thank you for the information
I took a close look at the drive, it looks like there's a spot near the top just above where the finger would attach to the hand that appears to be an indentation where someone's head would go. Someone would definitely fit in there, maybe even the tenno if something were to happen to the orbiter.