The fact that the drifter had to feel again and re learn emotions after years of apathy being in duviri is kinda chilling. He/she was lost in the void and became it literally and metaphorically
Speaking as someone who ended up repressing their emotions for a long time, it’s not any fancy void shenanigans. Having to re-learn what would be pretty basic emotional stuff does happen, and I really like how they used what happens in The Duviri Paradox to symbolize that.
@@sentientroomba9452 Same- except I rejected much in my life with more than I’d like to admit that I had to relearn- well to first unlearn so I could learn properly.
@@FerunaLutelou Right but what Geoff meant is that the islands came out of the Zariman, so the huge island we see around the ship was the starting point of the terraforming. They began to spread around. I don't know if it was retconned already.
@@ivixr427 well, it's never mentioned in the game, so all we can do is keep it in mind until proven true or false. After all, any piece of content that didn't make it into the end product is of questionable validity. Still, I think it's very likely to be true, and that either DE has plans to confirm/reveal it in the future, or they simply made another lore oopsie and forgot to tell us (wouldn't be the first time).
One tablet says the Duviri book was made to calm people down after being exposed to the void. In the Albrecht lore entries, he says even he doesn't know if he himself or the other escaped the void. If the other did, it is not coincidental that the book was written. The man in the wall might have wanted Duviri to be made.
@@TheDsIEGE so I think that the void is basically the world of dreams and souls, a mirror world. So when the zariman was about to depart, it opens a hole to the void. In void we make a contract with the god of that realm or an entity trapped there that seems that it wants to escape it. So we split into 2 beings, a dreaming child that becomes a dictator at the surface of the dream world, and the adult, a child that is trapped in the void and at some point ends up in the dream world, the surface of it at least, his other self dream. I believe the adult self goes to the duviri, the surface of the void, when Rell dies. It is also when the Watcher turret is probably destroyed in the story here.
It is also important to note that in the different moods, you can actually find Wally laughing at the emotions themselves; for example, during Fear, you can find him behind Sythels house parallel to where she has her head to the wall, just laughing at her. Or on top of the king's castle during Anger.
Also, sometimes when you leave duviri your ship if you are on your operator will see that Lua is still in the void. Don't know if that is intended or not.
@@nashprimeThe Lua thing can probably be attributed to eternalism. Lua is in the void, Lua isn't in the void. Lua was always in the void, Lua will be in the void, Lua was never in the void.
The story has been told over and over from one story teller to another. The details become blurry as the story goes... But who Dreams of what Song of the Void still intact. I love this game Swazdo-lah Surah Listen When you Dream The Void Sing
babe wake up, new TheDsIEGE lore video just dropped.... Jokes aside, you're like the only one I know that regularly does Warframe Lore and I really can't be arsed to dive in myself due to how obscure or hard to find the fragments for lore. I respect that you have time for these, keep it up my man!
LOLOLOL, I'm dying over here... But yeah, you're right, the lore is REALLY vague, so it's a double edged sword. I can make all kind of outlandish claims and actually hit the mark quite a bit, but also be WAY off on other things. That's the fun though, right?
I think its important to analyze the mirror defense mission. The entire purpose of that mission is to show us that one can manifest things through the void. They were able to will into existance a connection through the void. Based off that example id say its pretty clear that the void stares back, by Albright staring into the void with fear he manifested something to fear
@@TheDsIEGE it would make some sense. It's interesting how both the sentients and infestated both have hive minds. They both also benefit from archon shards which if I remember correctly are used on synthetics?
I'd wager the Sentient started as Forma-like entities visually reminiscent of sentinels, they were built by a rare collaboration of Orokin and Corpus to build a bridge to Tau via Solar Rail, junctioning from Pluto (if I recall proper), and terraform Tau. They were given The Flaw of being unable to adapt to the Void, so should they dare to return to Sol, they could be properly dealt with, or so the Orokin Empire thought. After that thing went horribly wrong, with Orokin 'diplomacy' resulting in the history we've come to know. That's from recollection. I may be wrong.
If the watcher's island vanished in the aftermath of The Chains Of Harrow quest, did The Doll Mausoleum vanish when the operators wake up in The Second Dream? The figures at 15:10 seems to describe the operators.
Damn... That's a good catch! And... Maybe? I'd say I'm not sure about the timing but eternalism makes it so it really doesn't matter! Wonder if each island refers to a specific event in the tenno's life? I'm not saying that's true but... I'm not saying it isn't either!
@@TheDsIEGE I listened to the lost fragments again and tried to find any connections to other quests or events, but found nothing.. Long time since I played any quest.
Shoot the defense objective in the undercroft is literally the cradle that you are in during the second dream quest. I wouldn't be so surprised that maybe that island does represent us.
The parallels between the 2 is wild when you go deeper. The biggest differences ends up being scale. Warframes are like Primarchs in and of themselves with histories, some more prolific than others *looks at horus and rell*. Infested to tyranids and sentients to necrons. Sci-fi breathes well in these 2 monsters of the genre.... now if only we could get a crossover event
Kind of interesting the duality that keeps showing up. The Drifter had to re-learn emotions before they could leave while we (during war within) had to relearn all everything that had been supressed by the second dream to regain our void powers.(half of which happened IN A DREAM). Also, during one fo the logs she references an uncountable number of islands, all unqiue, slowly disappearing. If you say that each island is representative of a different Tenno (hence rells island being destroyed when he was finally put to rest) then he island with the reservoir disappearing whhe the tenno woke up makes sense. As the tenno wake up and are pulled out of the second dream, their islands go with them. Consider also what hunhow refers to the reservoir as, the "womb in the sky". A womb holding a child until it gives birth and releasing them to the world, makes you wonder, what is the womb; the Second Dream, the Void, or the reservoir itself?
I absolutely love the way they added lore with this update : discovering that the tablets spoke of the past and not the present was an amazing surprise and the zariman tablets are excellent too.
There's one thing about the deal with Wally; one of the tablets implies that the Drifter accepted the deal: *You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?* *B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you* As for what that means for the Operator, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
the Operator accepted the deal and the kids were saved and became the Tenno. that's what he means by "saved." the Drifter accepted the deal and every kid was saved but them.
Well, I honestly had a bit different idea of what Duviri is after the quest, and these logs about the lost islands hardly even affect my theory, actually, add to it quite a bit, so my theory is that whoever that kid became Thrax, they seem to have been always going into this book of kids tales whenever they were encountering emotional hardships, when they ended up in the Void, all these emotions combined with Voids ability to give emotions tangible form, have resulted in this kid creating this realm, and these different events that happened to destroy the islands could be either symbolic re-tellings of traumatic events for Thrax, or display of how unstable the emotional state of Thrax is, to the point that more nuanced elements of its manifestation get destroyed by the sheer emotional turmoil of main emotion cycle and seeing how DE seem to be really doubling down on emotions being responsible for Void being, not so empty, I feel like this might be the intended interpretation
@@DyingDarkStar I mean it's not said explicitly anywhere the quest keeps everything vague, but even if it's not Thrax still I feel like Duviri being created as literal escapism to childhood story made real by the voids ability to manifest emotions into tangible things is still a strong possibility
I really like Duviri lore. It conceptually is super fascinating for someone like me with an over active imagination on a meta scale. The fact that a child sacrificed him/herself to save thier peers already getting murdered by adults gone mad, is touching. The fact that the stories told to these children to help them regulate emotions manifested, and traumatized them in a loop until they were numb is insane, just to be saved by a doppelganger of themselves that is chronologically the same age, but younger.
Thank you for another awesome video. I must admit its quite a lot of things that we must keep in mind. There are so many questions about Duviri, and drifter and operator. And how did one frame ended up in Duviri by themselves.... and so on. And... did Balas appear in Duviri later, as he died after those who are already in Duviri? Is Duviri some kind of afterlife? If we kill someone for good in Solar system, will they appear in Duviri? Rell died as he was already there to begin with.... my mind will explode. I cant wait for another video
I think Dominus Thrax must be a Tenno at the very least, given his knowledge of Warframes. I'm not sure if he would be post dream, or still in the dream state, but he immediately recognizes that we'd acquired a Warframe.
Watching this video and others, after watching your video positing the all but confirmed theory that the Drifter was the one who took the deal with The Man in the Wall, really makes me think. That fact, if true, that the Tenno is just a copy of the Drifter, who was punished in an endless debt for 'saving them all', perhaps doomed to roam the Zariman and Duviri intermittently. It makes you wonder how deep the Drifter's role in all of this was, and most importantly, what it still is. I implore you to watch the Warframe teaser from 4 years ago. I won't offer any conclusions other than what we all know. The Drifter is a tortured soul who had been through so much suffering, and in a way, death, only to conquer their emotions and escape the trap they were bound in, bringing with them through the wall the entire Zariman itself? I am not saying the Drifter is wally. I'm offering another crazy theory, that whatever Wally is, the Drifter has also become. After all, all the story beats point to the Drifter being one of the most important pieces of the puzzle when it comes to 'beating' Wally.
Really interesting. I appreciate you putting out this stuff; youre the only Warframe content I still consume since I havent touched the game since Angels of Zariman came out. I just got burnt out on from the grind of trying to get feathers and dealing with bugs and nerfs to favorite frames.
So.... I've been really critical of Warframe in the past but... If you haven't played Duviri, it's vastly different and in my opinion incredibly fun. The rewards and such are good too, but when i first dropped, I spent HOURS and HOURS in duviri just running the "experience" over and over. I love games like Dead Cells and Hades and this really does resemble those games in many important ways. With that being said, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!!!
Hey, if it isnt' my favourite Warframe youtuber finally uploading again. One note about this entire Duviri thing that I'd like to point out (SPOILERS AHEAD For those who haven't completed the Duviri quest): At the end of the Duviri quest, one of the rewards we get for completion is a book written by Euleria Entrati (aka Mother, the daughter of Albrecht) called "The Tales of Duviri", a book that the Drifter read and manifested as an actual physical location within the Void itself because of their anxiety while aboard the Zariman Ten Zero ship, with the events and setting of Duviri itself being played out the way they played out in Euleria's book, but with the Void's own twist to the place so that it's a story that revolves around the Drifter than the actual fictional characters of the place. So if you ask me, the Duviri is more like a physical manifestation of the Drifter's memories rather than a dream of the Tenno.
The tablet about the extrasolar rail is so weirdly specific by saying “grineer void engineer” that it almost feels like it’s talking about Vor. After all, Duvirivis not in Sol, and he seems to know a lot about the void now, and posesses a void key.
@@TheDsIEGE I personally believe that it only serves as a mirror to the tenno, because if so, there'd need to be mirror entities for everyone, including the sentients (which have souls, or oro). To me, duviri is a sort of "sims game" that the tenno created and manifested into reality just behind the wall, and vor seeks to drown Duviri in order to access the deep void. He does want to join that wall, and we know that both Duviri and the Zariman are plugging the hole, and Vor may want to be the one to do that, and in that way become part of the void itself.
One of the first ideas I had when we saw the teaser trailer why their powers dont work its because you can't do shit with a water pistol thats underwater.
It's neat to see things in game and understand what you're looking at, especially if it's something you've seen before but didn't know it's context. It's really what got me into warframe lore. The visual storytelling in this game is fantastic...
Duviri is a pocket dimension that exists within the void, created by the drifter to protect the other kids but relinquished to thrax out of guilt for not accepting the deal which left them all trapped in the void but its worth noting that the drifter thinks he was the only one offered the deal and doesn't realize they all declined so its not just the drifters fault. The islands are the imprints of the kids personalities and memories because Duviri is the dream for the alternate universe zariman children but given form by the void by the voids ability to give form to things like dreams, which also explains why some islands were nice while others were horrible because theres inevitably gonna be a few people with socio/psychopathic tendencies, and because theres some sort of link between the two different zariman groups thats why things like the chain rain happens in duviri when we "free" "rell". Albrecht said Duviri would be important because he understood that the only reason Duviri exists is because the void itself needed it to exist, and i believe this because the game frequently references things like duality and quantum entanglement and it wouldnt be a stretch to say that the void needs to keep the alternative zariman children because without the possibility of them denying the deal then the version where we accept the deal doesnt exist either. However, that line of thought assumes that all the tenno were offered the deal not just our player character because it hinges on the idea that the two possibilities we were left with is the two where the deal was accepted or denied unanimously. The reason im going with this interpretation is because our character in game is not the only child to receive void powers and become a tenno so it just would be weird if we were the only one to make the deal. If we were the only tenno then there would be reason to think we are the only one who made it but we aren't.
That's kinda what the channel is here for now. Warframe has incredible narratives but... the way they are told is kinda weird at times. That's where I want to help!
There should be something about this at Tennocon. At the end of the trailer the man in the wall speaks when the screen goes dark. I am very excited for this.
Been waiting on this video. I just wanted to point out that the image for the Galleria looks like Deimos without it being infested, also how she describesa finger busting from the ground(Vome on Deimos). I wonder if anyone else noticed that?
I mentioned this on another video I saw and everyone thought I was crazy. Everything mentioned in the lost fragments is actually found in the solar rail so what someone in duviri consider to void to be would be the void is actually normal space to us.
Wait, if Duviri represents the mind & the Sol system represents the body, the next logical step by following Eastern mysticism and several older schools of thought makes me wonder..... Does all of this have something to do with Soulframe, which DE is currently working on? It makes me wonder if that could possibly be our missing link and it's interesting to speculate about.
It's interesting how closely the naming convention between games is... A connection between the two would also be smart from a marketing standpoint. If you told me warframe lore is embedded within Soulframe, Guess who will be digging into that game as well???
Perhaps Duviri is like purgatory for the Orokin and the Teeno. That works as a "safe" haven from the void after you die, constructed eons ago by the Orokin, as one of their experiment, but then lost from their memory, or for majority of the Orokin. Would be interesting, and also be a reason why the man in the wall, wants it to decay and destroyed, since it stops him from getting the souls meant for him. Imagine how many millions of souls that have ended up there, outside of the mans reach, close but far away
The operator does owe him. He gave the operator the powers and helped them escape void. The operator made a deal with him and they will have to pay. The drifter refused the deal so the drifter owes him nothing.
Fym we don't come here for the lore exposition, that's the exact reason more than half of us are here. Please do delve into the architecture and populous more; you're the only one covering it on youtube so the lot of us are starved for it. Glad you're back
Yeah? I always thought of my actual lore content as kind of lacking... Speculation now? that's what I do, but... Thank you. I want to include more JUST LORE videos, and you are making my decision to do that in the future so much easier!
Something i noticed, the operator gets stabbed by ballas in the same kind of fashion as when the drifter gets stabbed (multiple times). its probably nothing though haha
It's definitely not nothing. Actually I think it may indicate that these worlds are happening at the same time, almost like dimensions mirroring each other at the same time... Believe me, you're on to something...
I have a theory that the Tenno somehow create things in the void in the same way entrati could have, via conceptual embodiment. I seem to remember a line from the Holdfasts indicating that the reason they didn't become void angels is something to do with the Tenno's light being stronger or something. Maybe this means that the consciousness of the Tenno and perhaps their childlike innocence is the ingredient that holds the things that Entrati manifested in the void, which could very well be the Wally himself. Innocence, naivety, hope, against resentment, depression, paranoia, cynicism, etc. This could also explain Duviri's deterioration, since now that the Tenno are no longer dreaming, they are continuing to mentally develop into adults and therefore slowly losing the pieces of themselves that keep Duviri intact.
I think that Duviri may have been a real place during the times of the Orokin, but the place as we know it, is not real. The real place, a normal place on Earth or wherever, but Duviri is more like a collective consciousness that the spilling over of the Void has allowed it to be maintained. Duviri is like Warframe, always on and alive, even when you're logged out of it. When you log into it, you connect with everyone else online. Except that it's either your exposure to the void, either initial, or maybe recent heightened exposure in the Z10-0/unification, that has left us able to kneel at the orbiter's bridge, close our eyes and suddenly be in Duviri. Think about it, when you go to Duviri there is no traveling to or from, we're just in our Orbiter one second, gone, and back again a little while later. I think the vast majority of entities in Duviri are lingering ghosts of the people they represent but not actually them. With the Undercroft being a construct almost identical (if not the prototype) to the simulacrum, that Simaris, the Orokin-created-via-Glassmaker Cephalon. Wally has made us like him. Able to enter, traverse and sometimes drag a frame into Duviri. It all feels like a gradual drawing back of the curtain of what is real and what you can make real, as we unlock our understanding of the Void. I think about what I've seen in SoulFrame and can't help seeing the colour and texture of your player's arm as identical to that of the Orokin in Duviri, like fleshy rock. I think SF might be like Duviri, but not a simulation full of ghosts, perhaps more like an actual shared dream, with other real people connecting with you, with wicked nightmares occasionally popping up to attack you. Part of me wonders if it's sort of spiritual, without being an acknowledged religion we are familiar with. It will be a stand alone game, but if allowed to, will play a roll in WF. Perhaps as a variable with how your embracing of the void goes - become a kind Tenno Wally or a chaotic Tenno Wally.
If you pay attention to the void jump cut scene the kids in the back are laughing just like how she explained about the shadow children would do in one of the fragments. Which made me start to think maybe we wer actually leaving Duviri during the void jump.
I haven't collected all codex pieces yet, so hearing them was very interesting. Do they all have references to origin system? I caught only a few unfortunately. This video raises more questions than answers, but I think it's appropriate for topic of Duviri. And that's also cool because it means we will hear more of your voice in the future! For some reason I'm fascinated by body-mind dichotomy you mentioned. Will you expand on it in a future or was that just a sort of metaphor?
This whole game is based around the duality of mind and body, so you can expect a lot more about it in the future. And thank you for enjoying today's vid!
If you’re right about Mr. Wall wanting our innocence/emotions, then that plus the fact that Duviri hasn’t been wholly taken plus the fact that the Holdfasts comment on how brilliantly we shine and how bleak the reliquary drive is… probably means we haven’t made good on our end of the deal. Mr. Wall may be coming to collect soon methinks.
It's an odd sort of thing. These worlds are separate yet they all collide with similar or the same characters... Almost like dimensions layered on top of each other...
What if the parents picking up their children are the tennis parents, which is why they resemble younger versions of themselves. They also didn't make a deal, so many of these characters could have been on the zariman
The Duviri, a land that do exists and doesn't at the same time. My theory, inspired by that video, is that Duviri is in fact a physical place somewhere in the void, because we can see Zariman 10-0 Ship on the background of Duviri. But how it was created? Like DsIEGE said, Duviri was and is the manifastation of the Void Child's emotions.This may seemed like a dream, it was a dream but the power of the Void created a solid manifestation out of the emotions, thus Duviri is created. Reall or not real, because Void is confusing, we can assume that Duviri can exist both mentally and physically, 'cause Albrecht Entranti has been there. Seeing this after the *Whispers in the Walls* update, when Albrecht tried to go in the Void, he might ended up in Duviri's place. Also, this place isn't just a nightmare for our Drifter, it is also their physicall home after a long time beeing scattered in the void inside the Zariman ship. In fact, Duviri is the physicall (or void-mental) counterpart of the Tenno's dream for our Drifter. Yet, we don't know how the Drifter escaped the Void to made it in the Origin System during the New War, but when they did it, they were prepared through the many challenges Duviri had offered to them. Duviri is linked to the origin system directly, we just haven't found how.
Im so mad ive been subbed to you for over a year WITH the notification bell so it is supposed to notify me of every video but I haven't received ANY AT ALL until now, fix your crap UA-cam
@ 26:21 "How many Orokin principles are there: 7 or 3" I would like to point out that on the cover of Thrax's book there is an audience of ten spectators, or in other words 7+3. I realize its a stretch but I can't help but feel like recurrence of these numbers is significant in some way.
This really get me to wonder the existence of Duviri, a theory I would have that this place was real the whole time and how this realm came to be is form from the collection of souls that managed to survive in the Zarimen long enough, eventually the collective masses of minds formed what should've been a new paradise away from any Orokin back in the system. However, one have full control of the land thanks to the operator accepting the entity's dealing that created a darker side of the operator that was led into Duviri. I believe that the actual in-game story of Duviri came after the supposed death of the Operator from certain "avatar" wannabe, when the Operation was sent into the void. This was at the beginning of the New War. Operator somehow survive this and ended up to Duviri where he will go ever many trials for however long it will take until he faced his darker self in that realm. By taking position as a new controller of Duviri and with the reset and supposed free of the people in the realm, he would be able to come back to the physical plane, which had changed since his long absence. That is where we first played as the older Operator in the New War.
Have you come across the Vagabond yet? Gives an ominous laugh and disappears when you look away, very much like our little Orbiter friend. I've seen him in three spots so far.
But only the drifter can enter in Duviri since I’m pretty sure he was stuck there and if the operator was dreaming in duviri then who would control the war frame if the operator was dreaming in duviri this probably sounds dumb lol
The more of these lore videos the more unnerving Warframe feels. Sure you get to play as a whimsical musical marauding maestra with but that frame also has a painful backstory and explanation for the music fixation
I find it interesting that you mentioned The Never Ending Story, because I wouldn't have thought of it but now that you mentioned it I realized that there's even more parallels to the book only events of The Never Ending Story that have interesting implications, with most of the "spirals" have some parallels to the book, mostly to different parts of Bastion's character arch after saving Fantasia (because that's not what the book is mostly about) And with that note, READ THE BOOK THE MOVIE WAS BASED ON. Trust me, its EVEN BETTER then the movie ever was by a LARGE margin.
They even talk about Lua bt they seem to refer to it as the Doll mausoleum also the kuva fortress when they talk about how the blood came from the ground.
Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland and the Southern reach trilogy seem to also serve as inspiration as well. My Kaithe is named Artax, it will remain safe.
Playing since 2014, fascinated with the lore of the game more than just the hack 'n' slash. To me Duviri was the first and only time, I suspect, that the lore felt *less* than the gameplay. Hyping for 4 years, monitoring Samuel artstation work with the dax skeleton models, I was really hoping for those to be remains of former dax soldiers aboard the zariman, the centurion and the legatus of the original grineer, stuck in some type of temporal anchor or singularity...was expecting duviri to be the result of the zarriman ship terraforming his own ladscape in the nothingness, the people to be former tripulants who kept the empire way alive all this time but being altered by divergency and void interaction...or even being the first true alien faction, dimensional aliens instead of spatial. Really disliked the whole "Deadpool invade fairytales" thing, "imagination given life" motto...I mean, i got the "Floogies" inspiration, just didn't need to go all the way into a dreamland concept. Developers sometimes pull the "It was all just a dream" move because it's metaphorical to their own work and creative process, but to me atleast this is not a good move, it breaks the worldbuilding you were trying to solidify, it creates more questions than adresses them ("-Tenno could create a whole world in a traumatic situation in contact with the void, what else could he create? He can repeat the feat? Imagine into reality an definitive weapon to overthrow the grineer and the corpus? Other factions can access this method?"). Thought the thrax would be a real big enemy to be dealt in the origin system but now, even if he amass his armies to cross the rift, it would be an invasion of folktales characters...the depth and seriousness of the act is removed. My hope is that Alleria wrote the book based on real people and real places of the orokin empire so even though they are reconstructions, they are based on real things...still it's not the same...
The myth of innocence is the faith that ignorance will not bring us to harm, contented into bliss and apathetic to a inhospitable reality. A child was preyed upon to make a decision they had not the knowledge or wisdom to make. We need a New Deal.
And remenbr we still have narmer i wonder how thats gonna play out with kahl and maybe even more allys like the corpus i dout parvos is liking there appearance and in not sure about alad v tho is he dead has he been vailed and now the archon pazzul most likely erra being controled by a figure in the shadows we dont know about u think pazzul is just a figure head someones pulling his strings and i dout its ballas since he got killed by the lotus i would like to hear your thoughts about this comment
🤗🤗 I have been waiting for your take on Duviri! So glad you decided to pick up the mantle once more. Your work is so appreciated by us Eternal Tennos, never forget!🫡
Not gona lie it would be nice to see those extra duviri islands flow to some of the planets like how the entrati lab would mysteriously appear on deimos or the Vinyard be seen on cetus
I think the man in the wall wants to use duviri as a doorway to get to the real world. I mean we literally have a doorway in the zariman right? Honestly If I could pick one island to return, it would be the doll mausoleum, it might make thrax remember his back.
The fact that the drifter had to feel again and re learn emotions after years of apathy being in duviri is kinda chilling. He/she was lost in the void and became it literally and metaphorically
Speaking as someone who ended up repressing their emotions for a long time, it’s not any fancy void shenanigans. Having to re-learn what would be pretty basic emotional stuff does happen, and I really like how they used what happens in The Duviri Paradox to symbolize that.
@sentientroomba9452 agreed glad you endured and pulled through :) wishing you the best
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Same- except I rejected much in my life with more than I’d like to admit that I had to relearn- well to first unlearn so I could learn properly.
That is literally the entire situation of the Zariman Ten 0.
Yaaaay! We're former traumatized children playing traumatized children! 😅😭
Every time I see something like this my brain cells begin to align in ways that somehow make sense.
Thank you, this duviri story personally has my brain spinning but... it's starting to form some patterns for me. And you know what? I like that!
In the Tennocon 2022 art panel, Geoff says that the islands we see are from the Zariman terraforming machine
Which is kind of weird, but also impressive, cause if this is true, there was no "terra" to form, only The Void.
@@FerunaLutelou Right but what Geoff meant is that the islands came out of the Zariman, so the huge island we see around the ship was the starting point of the terraforming. They began to spread around. I don't know if it was retconned already.
@@ivixr427 well, it's never mentioned in the game, so all we can do is keep it in mind until proven true or false. After all, any piece of content that didn't make it into the end product is of questionable validity.
Still, I think it's very likely to be true, and that either DE has plans to confirm/reveal it in the future, or they simply made another lore oopsie and forgot to tell us (wouldn't be the first time).
He later said that the idea was scrapped so I doubt it’s still relevant
@@Ty2_023 Really?
One tablet says the Duviri book was made to calm people down after being exposed to the void. In the Albrecht lore entries, he says even he doesn't know if he himself or the other escaped the void. If the other did, it is not coincidental that the book was written. The man in the wall might have wanted Duviri to be made.
I couldn't agree more.
@@TheDsIEGE so I think that the void is basically the world of dreams and souls, a mirror world. So when the zariman was about to depart, it opens a hole to the void. In void we make a contract with the god of that realm or an entity trapped there that seems that it wants to escape it. So we split into 2 beings, a dreaming child that becomes a dictator at the surface of the dream world, and the adult, a child that is trapped in the void and at some point ends up in the dream world, the surface of it at least, his other self dream. I believe the adult self goes to the duviri, the surface of the void, when Rell dies. It is also when the Watcher turret is probably destroyed in the story here.
Also I think the undercroft is like the glue between two places. The in between where we travel when we enter the void
It is also important to note that in the different moods, you can actually find Wally laughing at the emotions themselves; for example, during Fear, you can find him behind Sythels house parallel to where she has her head to the wall, just laughing at her. Or on top of the king's castle during Anger.
Also, sometimes when you leave duviri your ship if you are on your operator will see that Lua is still in the void. Don't know if that is intended or not.
@@nashprimeThe Lua thing can probably be attributed to eternalism. Lua is in the void, Lua isn't in the void. Lua was always in the void, Lua will be in the void, Lua was never in the void.
The story has been told over and over from one story teller to another. The details become blurry as the story goes... But who Dreams of what Song of the Void still intact.
I love this game
Swazdo-lah Surah
Listen
When you Dream
The Void Sing
Yo glad to see the Warframe lore master is back. Keep up the dope work.
Thank you!!! I hope you liked the newest vid!!
babe wake up, new TheDsIEGE lore video just dropped....
Jokes aside, you're like the only one I know that regularly does Warframe Lore and I really can't be arsed to dive in myself due to how obscure or hard to find the fragments for lore. I respect that you have time for these, keep it up my man!
LOLOLOL, I'm dying over here... But yeah, you're right, the lore is REALLY vague, so it's a double edged sword. I can make all kind of outlandish claims and actually hit the mark quite a bit, but also be WAY off on other things. That's the fun though, right?
@@TheDsIEGE Indeed! If i really wasn't bugged by IRL stuff too, I'd probably waste my time digging these lore bits out myself but here we are.
I think its important to analyze the mirror defense mission. The entire purpose of that mission is to show us that one can manifest things through the void.
They were able to will into existance a connection through the void. Based off that example id say its pretty clear that the void stares back, by Albright staring into the void with fear he manifested something to fear
I feel the void, operater/drifter, and how the sentiens were made/what the first of there kind looked like are the 3 main mysteries in Warframe still.
The craziest thing is... more and more I'm of the belief all three share a very common bond...
@@TheDsIEGE it would make some sense. It's interesting how both the sentients and infestated both have hive minds. They both also benefit from archon shards which if I remember correctly are used on synthetics?
I'd wager the Sentient started as Forma-like entities visually reminiscent of sentinels, they were built by a rare collaboration of Orokin and Corpus to build a bridge to Tau via Solar Rail, junctioning from Pluto (if I recall proper), and terraform Tau.
They were given The Flaw of being unable to adapt to the Void, so should they dare to return to Sol, they could be properly dealt with, or so the Orokin Empire thought.
After that thing went horribly wrong, with Orokin 'diplomacy' resulting in the history we've come to know.
That's from recollection. I may be wrong.
@@koldraxonofthefirstseven5718weren’t the corpus part of the prom in empire themselves?
This was awesome. Never have I been so fascinated by a character as I am with The Man in the Wall.
If the watcher's island vanished in the aftermath of The Chains Of Harrow quest, did The Doll Mausoleum vanish when the operators wake up in The Second Dream? The figures at 15:10 seems to describe the operators.
Damn... That's a good catch! And... Maybe? I'd say I'm not sure about the timing but eternalism makes it so it really doesn't matter! Wonder if each island refers to a specific event in the tenno's life? I'm not saying that's true but... I'm not saying it isn't either!
@@TheDsIEGE I listened to the lost fragments again and tried to find any connections to other quests or events, but found nothing.. Long time since I played any quest.
Shoot the defense objective in the undercroft is literally the cradle that you are in during the second dream quest. I wouldn't be so surprised that maybe that island does represent us.
I think you're right, world building is insane.
The best Warframe lore UA-cam guy is back with another banger this fast
Even though my brain is still confused by Duviri I still enjoyed your explanation ❤
Thank you, the coming weeks will explain more!
The Void is to Warframe what the warp is to 40K - every metaphor becomes literal, every thought made into reality.
The parallels between the 2 is wild when you go deeper. The biggest differences ends up being scale. Warframes are like Primarchs in and of themselves with histories, some more prolific than others *looks at horus and rell*. Infested to tyranids and sentients to necrons. Sci-fi breathes well in these 2 monsters of the genre.... now if only we could get a crossover event
The Legend, The Prophet is back after I lost all hope for any more Warframe content
Kind of interesting the duality that keeps showing up. The Drifter had to re-learn emotions before they could leave while we (during war within) had to relearn all everything that had been supressed by the second dream to regain our void powers.(half of which happened IN A DREAM).
Also, during one fo the logs she references an uncountable number of islands, all unqiue, slowly disappearing. If you say that each island is representative of a different Tenno (hence rells island being destroyed when he was finally put to rest) then he island with the reservoir disappearing whhe the tenno woke up makes sense. As the tenno wake up and are pulled out of the second dream, their islands go with them.
Consider also what hunhow refers to the reservoir as, the "womb in the sky". A womb holding a child until it gives birth and releasing them to the world, makes you wonder, what is the womb; the Second Dream, the Void, or the reservoir itself?
The Goat has returned
Thank you! and oh boy is this video a crazy one!!!
I absolutely love the way they added lore with this update : discovering that the tablets spoke of the past and not the present was an amazing surprise and the zariman tablets are excellent too.
There's one thing about the deal with Wally; one of the tablets implies that the Drifter accepted the deal:
*You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?*
*B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you*
As for what that means for the Operator, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sacrifice is heavy theme in this game...
Well, since eternalism is a thing:
Theoretically all versions of a series of events can exist.
the Operator accepted the deal and the kids were saved and became the Tenno. that's what he means by "saved."
the Drifter accepted the deal and every kid was saved but them.
Happy to have you back! Thank you for your work ❤
Thank you for taking time out of you day to stop by and enjoy it!!
Well, I honestly had a bit different idea of what Duviri is after the quest, and these logs about the lost islands hardly even affect my theory, actually, add to it quite a bit, so my theory is that whoever that kid became Thrax, they seem to have been always going into this book of kids tales whenever they were encountering emotional hardships, when they ended up in the Void, all these emotions combined with Voids ability to give emotions tangible form, have resulted in this kid creating this realm, and these different events that happened to destroy the islands could be either symbolic re-tellings of traumatic events for Thrax, or display of how unstable the emotional state of Thrax is, to the point that more nuanced elements of its manifestation get destroyed by the sheer emotional turmoil of main emotion cycle and seeing how DE seem to be really doubling down on emotions being responsible for Void being, not so empty, I feel like this might be the intended interpretation
im sorry but thrax didn't make duviri the drifter/the operator did it's literally said in the quest.
@@DyingDarkStar I mean it's not said explicitly anywhere the quest keeps everything vague, but even if it's not Thrax still I feel like Duviri being created as literal escapism to childhood story made real by the voids ability to manifest emotions into tangible things is still a strong possibility
@@LilithLonelyHeartit does say it explicitly though,
Drifter: “Thrax didnt make this place…”
Teshin: “You did.”
@@maccreswick18 hmm... ok, might have been mistranslated in my language version then
I really like Duviri lore. It conceptually is super fascinating for someone like me with an over active imagination on a meta scale. The fact that a child sacrificed him/herself to save thier peers already getting murdered by adults gone mad, is touching. The fact that the stories told to these children to help them regulate emotions manifested, and traumatized them in a loop until they were numb is insane, just to be saved by a doppelganger of themselves that is chronologically the same age, but younger.
Good to see you doing videos again buddy!!!!!
Hey thank you dude!!!! I appreciate you stopping by the channel to check it out!
Thank you for another awesome video. I must admit its quite a lot of things that we must keep in mind. There are so many questions about Duviri, and drifter and operator. And how did one frame ended up in Duviri by themselves.... and so on. And... did Balas appear in Duviri later, as he died after those who are already in Duviri? Is Duviri some kind of afterlife? If we kill someone for good in Solar system, will they appear in Duviri? Rell died as he was already there to begin with.... my mind will explode. I cant wait for another video
Thank you and Be sure to tune in next week! We'll be diving deeper into some of your questions!
I think Dominus Thrax must be a Tenno at the very least, given his knowledge of Warframes. I'm not sure if he would be post dream, or still in the dream state, but he immediately recognizes that we'd acquired a Warframe.
Great, we are the Daemon Prince of a Chaos God.
yk i jus wanted to rewatch a video and saw u uploaded already, again welcome back bro good to have u back
Thank you and I apologize It wasn't out last night like I wanted. UA-cam held it hostage for some reason until this morning...
@@TheDsIEGEhappens, no worries tho i love the content
Two in two weeks. We blessed fr
As long as my hands hold up, one a week seems like a good schedule!
Watching this video and others, after watching your video positing the all but confirmed theory that the Drifter was the one who took the deal with The Man in the Wall, really makes me think. That fact, if true, that the Tenno is just a copy of the Drifter, who was punished in an endless debt for 'saving them all', perhaps doomed to roam the Zariman and Duviri intermittently. It makes you wonder how deep the Drifter's role in all of this was, and most importantly, what it still is. I implore you to watch the Warframe teaser from 4 years ago. I won't offer any conclusions other than what we all know. The Drifter is a tortured soul who had been through so much suffering, and in a way, death, only to conquer their emotions and escape the trap they were bound in, bringing with them through the wall the entire Zariman itself?
I am not saying the Drifter is wally. I'm offering another crazy theory, that whatever Wally is, the Drifter has also become. After all, all the story beats point to the Drifter being one of the most important pieces of the puzzle when it comes to 'beating' Wally.
I miss warframe, I switched to ps5 from Xbox and I haven’t played since new war. This content only makes me miss it more. Keep up the great content.
Thank you! I know A LOT of people are gonna be real happy when cross save finally comes...
Really interesting. I appreciate you putting out this stuff; youre the only Warframe content I still consume since I havent touched the game since Angels of Zariman came out. I just got burnt out on from the grind of trying to get feathers and dealing with bugs and nerfs to favorite frames.
So.... I've been really critical of Warframe in the past but... If you haven't played Duviri, it's vastly different and in my opinion incredibly fun. The rewards and such are good too, but when i first dropped, I spent HOURS and HOURS in duviri just running the "experience" over and over. I love games like Dead Cells and Hades and this really does resemble those games in many important ways. With that being said, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!!!
It’s so great seeing you back!! You’ve been missed!!!
I missed the last upload but welcome back DsIEGE
Thank you! It's good to be back, I hope you enjoy both the vids!!!
Welcome back!!
Thank you!!!
Hey, if it isnt' my favourite Warframe youtuber finally uploading again.
One note about this entire Duviri thing that I'd like to point out (SPOILERS AHEAD For those who haven't completed the Duviri quest):
At the end of the Duviri quest, one of the rewards we get for completion is a book written by Euleria Entrati (aka Mother, the daughter of Albrecht) called "The Tales of Duviri", a book that the Drifter read and manifested as an actual physical location within the Void itself because of their anxiety while aboard the Zariman Ten Zero ship, with the events and setting of Duviri itself being played out the way they played out in Euleria's book, but with the Void's own twist to the place so that it's a story that revolves around the Drifter than the actual fictional characters of the place.
So if you ask me, the Duviri is more like a physical manifestation of the Drifter's memories rather than a dream of the Tenno.
Why can it not be both?
Man, it absolutely can be. Just the beauty of uh the Void and it's..... confusing wonders.
The tablet about the extrasolar rail is so weirdly specific by saying “grineer void engineer” that it almost feels like it’s talking about Vor. After all, Duvirivis not in Sol, and he seems to know a lot about the void now, and posesses a void key.
It seems to me like Duviri and Sol are mirror images of themselves, so to see one entity found in one show up in another would be normal...
@@TheDsIEGE I personally believe that it only serves as a mirror to the tenno, because if so, there'd need to be mirror entities for everyone, including the sentients (which have souls, or oro). To me, duviri is a sort of "sims game" that the tenno created and manifested into reality just behind the wall, and vor seeks to drown Duviri in order to access the deep void. He does want to join that wall, and we know that both Duviri and the Zariman are plugging the hole, and Vor may want to be the one to do that, and in that way become part of the void itself.
One of the first ideas I had when we saw the teaser trailer why their powers dont work its because you can't do shit with a water pistol thats underwater.
I love watching these while on the grind. Spoiling some things for myself but giving some context to the pieces of story I complete progressively
It's neat to see things in game and understand what you're looking at, especially if it's something you've seen before but didn't know it's context. It's really what got me into warframe lore. The visual storytelling in this game is fantastic...
The closest thing to a "Golden Hive" would be the old Orokin missions with it's defense system that turns all invaders into drones
Duviri is a pocket dimension that exists within the void, created by the drifter to protect the other kids but relinquished to thrax out of guilt for not accepting the deal which left them all trapped in the void but its worth noting that the drifter thinks he was the only one offered the deal and doesn't realize they all declined so its not just the drifters fault. The islands are the imprints of the kids personalities and memories because Duviri is the dream for the alternate universe zariman children but given form by the void by the voids ability to give form to things like dreams, which also explains why some islands were nice while others were horrible because theres inevitably gonna be a few people with socio/psychopathic tendencies, and because theres some sort of link between the two different zariman groups thats why things like the chain rain happens in duviri when we "free" "rell". Albrecht said Duviri would be important because he understood that the only reason Duviri exists is because the void itself needed it to exist, and i believe this because the game frequently references things like duality and quantum entanglement and it wouldnt be a stretch to say that the void needs to keep the alternative zariman children because without the possibility of them denying the deal then the version where we accept the deal doesnt exist either. However, that line of thought assumes that all the tenno were offered the deal not just our player character because it hinges on the idea that the two possibilities we were left with is the two where the deal was accepted or denied unanimously. The reason im going with this interpretation is because our character in game is not the only child to receive void powers and become a tenno so it just would be weird if we were the only one to make the deal. If we were the only tenno then there would be reason to think we are the only one who made it but we aren't.
I thank you for these videos, I missed so much between speech in gameplay I couldn't pay attention to and things I haven't found.
That's kinda what the channel is here for now. Warframe has incredible narratives but... the way they are told is kinda weird at times. That's where I want to help!
@@TheDsIEGE you're doing an awesome job. Time to watch everything warframe.on your channel x)
welcome back tenno =]
I also love how in the sky of Duviri you see to giant menacing eyes staring at you the entire time. Like the man in the wall is constantly watching.
Keep em coming! 😀👍
I definitely will!
Reminds me of Elder Scrolls Pelinal Whitestrake's quote "When a Dream no longer needs its dreamer"
You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?
A. *CORRUPT FILE DETECTED*
B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you.
As I said to another commenter, Sacrifice is a big theme in this game. Maybe dad made us to be sacrificed. God's can do that. Ask Jesus.
20:48 metal af lol
There should be something about this at Tennocon. At the end of the trailer the man in the wall speaks when the screen goes dark.
I am very excited for this.
Been waiting on this video. I just wanted to point out that the image for the Galleria looks like Deimos without it being infested, also how she describesa finger busting from the ground(Vome on Deimos). I wonder if anyone else noticed that?
I did not but nice catch!!!
I mentioned this on another video I saw and everyone thought I was crazy. Everything mentioned in the lost fragments is actually found in the solar rail so what someone in duviri consider to void to be would be the void is actually normal space to us.
Wait, if Duviri represents the mind & the Sol system represents the body, the next logical step by following Eastern mysticism and several older schools of thought makes me wonder.....
Does all of this have something to do with Soulframe, which DE is currently working on? It makes me wonder if that could possibly be our missing link and it's interesting to speculate about.
It's interesting how closely the naming convention between games is... A connection between the two would also be smart from a marketing standpoint. If you told me warframe lore is embedded within Soulframe, Guess who will be digging into that game as well???
@@TheDsIEGE It would be an incredibly smart idea and has me more interested in it than I was previously
Perhaps Duviri is like purgatory for the Orokin and the Teeno.
That works as a "safe" haven from the void after you die, constructed eons ago by the Orokin, as one of their experiment, but then lost from their memory, or for majority of the Orokin.
Would be interesting, and also be a reason why the man in the wall, wants it to decay and destroyed, since it stops him from getting the souls meant for him.
Imagine how many millions of souls that have ended up there, outside of the mans reach, close but far away
Remember 2 years ago when you thought this was never going to come out, totally worth it
What if the man in the wall wants to controll us, hence him trying to break into duviri and the several "you owe me kiddo" lines.
The operator does owe him. He gave the operator the powers and helped them escape void. The operator made a deal with him and they will have to pay. The drifter refused the deal so the drifter owes him nothing.
@@j00loves00rock Untrue. The Drifter accepted the deal, bute everyone else but him/her was saved.
If they can't write functioning code, they surely know how to write lore... 😁
No truer words have ever been spoken...
I'm Waaaaayyyy late because life kept happening. Just catching up on your videos and leaving a comment for the -void- algorithm
Plot twist, Darvo is a villain all allong and Vor is the Hero... making us the villains without knowing
No matter what, Vor will always be a hero to me!
@@TheDsIEGE He is ! he died for his beliefs and he is immortal XD
Fym we don't come here for the lore exposition, that's the exact reason more than half of us are here. Please do delve into the architecture and populous more; you're the only one covering it on youtube so the lot of us are starved for it. Glad you're back
Yeah? I always thought of my actual lore content as kind of lacking... Speculation now? that's what I do, but... Thank you. I want to include more JUST LORE videos, and you are making my decision to do that in the future so much easier!
omg, this changes everything we knew about the lore
Something i noticed, the operator gets stabbed by ballas in the same kind of fashion as when the drifter gets stabbed (multiple times). its probably nothing though haha
It's definitely not nothing. Actually I think it may indicate that these worlds are happening at the same time, almost like dimensions mirroring each other at the same time... Believe me, you're on to something...
That's a very important detail. Note how the Lotus' hand arrives soon after, the hand that Ballas just chopped off in the "real world".
I have a theory that the Tenno somehow create things in the void in the same way entrati could have, via conceptual embodiment. I seem to remember a line from the Holdfasts indicating that the reason they didn't become void angels is something to do with the Tenno's light being stronger or something. Maybe this means that the consciousness of the Tenno and perhaps their childlike innocence is the ingredient that holds the things that Entrati manifested in the void, which could very well be the Wally himself. Innocence, naivety, hope, against resentment, depression, paranoia, cynicism, etc. This could also explain Duviri's deterioration, since now that the Tenno are no longer dreaming, they are continuing to mentally develop into adults and therefore slowly losing the pieces of themselves that keep Duviri intact.
I think that Duviri may have been a real place during the times of the Orokin, but the place as we know it, is not real. The real place, a normal place on Earth or wherever, but Duviri is more like a collective consciousness that the spilling over of the Void has allowed it to be maintained. Duviri is like Warframe, always on and alive, even when you're logged out of it. When you log into it, you connect with everyone else online. Except that it's either your exposure to the void, either initial, or maybe recent heightened exposure in the Z10-0/unification, that has left us able to kneel at the orbiter's bridge, close our eyes and suddenly be in Duviri. Think about it, when you go to Duviri there is no traveling to or from, we're just in our Orbiter one second, gone, and back again a little while later. I think the vast majority of entities in Duviri are lingering ghosts of the people they represent but not actually them. With the Undercroft being a construct almost identical (if not the prototype) to the simulacrum, that Simaris, the Orokin-created-via-Glassmaker Cephalon.
Wally has made us like him. Able to enter, traverse and sometimes drag a frame into Duviri. It all feels like a gradual drawing back of the curtain of what is real and what you can make real, as we unlock our understanding of the Void.
I think about what I've seen in SoulFrame and can't help seeing the colour and texture of your player's arm as identical to that of the Orokin in Duviri, like fleshy rock. I think SF might be like Duviri, but not a simulation full of ghosts, perhaps more like an actual shared dream, with other real people connecting with you, with wicked nightmares occasionally popping up to attack you. Part of me wonders if it's sort of spiritual, without being an acknowledged religion we are familiar with. It will be a stand alone game, but if allowed to, will play a roll in WF. Perhaps as a variable with how your embracing of the void goes - become a kind Tenno Wally or a chaotic Tenno Wally.
Woohoo thought provoking content
If you pay attention to the void jump cut scene the kids in the back are laughing just like how she explained about the shadow children would do in one of the fragments. Which made me start to think maybe we wer actually leaving Duviri during the void jump.
RIP Garmi
I haven't collected all codex pieces yet, so hearing them was very interesting. Do they all have references to origin system? I caught only a few unfortunately.
This video raises more questions than answers, but I think it's appropriate for topic of Duviri. And that's also cool because it means we will hear more of your voice in the future!
For some reason I'm fascinated by body-mind dichotomy you mentioned. Will you expand on it in a future or was that just a sort of metaphor?
This whole game is based around the duality of mind and body, so you can expect a lot more about it in the future. And thank you for enjoying today's vid!
Man, imagine if we were able to time-traveling and showing Warframe lore to people played Dark Sector back in 360 and PS3 days.
All for you doing pure lore videos.
Me too, although they will probably be a bit shorter due to little or no speculation attached to them.
@TheDsIEGE that'd be great I binge these all day at work.
If you’re right about Mr. Wall wanting our innocence/emotions, then that plus the fact that Duviri hasn’t been wholly taken plus the fact that the Holdfasts comment on how brilliantly we shine and how bleak the reliquary drive is… probably means we haven’t made good on our end of the deal. Mr. Wall may be coming to collect soon methinks.
my wild theory is that the whole duviri is just the split personality of MC in another universe(multiverse)
It's an odd sort of thing. These worlds are separate yet they all collide with similar or the same characters... Almost like dimensions layered on top of each other...
These are great ty.
What if the parents picking up their children are the tennis parents, which is why they resemble younger versions of themselves. They also didn't make a deal, so many of these characters could have been on the zariman
The Duviri, a land that do exists and doesn't at the same time.
My theory, inspired by that video, is that Duviri is in fact a physical place somewhere in the void, because we can see Zariman 10-0 Ship on the background of Duviri.
But how it was created? Like DsIEGE said, Duviri was and is the manifastation of the Void Child's emotions.This may seemed like a dream, it was a dream but the power of the Void created a solid manifestation out of the emotions, thus Duviri is created. Reall or not real, because Void is confusing, we can assume that Duviri can exist both mentally and physically, 'cause Albrecht Entranti has been there.
Seeing this after the *Whispers in the Walls* update, when Albrecht tried to go in the Void, he might ended up in Duviri's place.
Also, this place isn't just a nightmare for our Drifter, it is also their physicall home after a long time beeing scattered in the void inside the Zariman ship. In fact, Duviri is the physicall (or void-mental) counterpart of the Tenno's dream for our Drifter. Yet, we don't know how the Drifter escaped the Void to made it in the Origin System during the New War, but when they did it, they were prepared through the many challenges Duviri had offered to them. Duviri is linked to the origin system directly, we just haven't found how.
Now its all making sense. The second dream.
Im so mad ive been subbed to you for over a year WITH the notification bell so it is supposed to notify me of every video but I haven't received ANY AT ALL until now, fix your crap UA-cam
@ 26:21 "How many Orokin principles are there: 7 or 3" I would like to point out that on the cover of Thrax's book there is an audience of ten spectators, or in other words 7+3. I realize its a stretch but I can't help but feel like recurrence of these numbers is significant in some way.
I think exactly the same
"remember kiddo you're nothing without me"
This gives me so many ideas.
This really get me to wonder the existence of Duviri, a theory I would have that this place was real the whole time and how this realm came to be is form from the collection of souls that managed to survive in the Zarimen long enough, eventually the collective masses of minds formed what should've been a new paradise away from any Orokin back in the system. However, one have full control of the land thanks to the operator accepting the entity's dealing that created a darker side of the operator that was led into Duviri.
I believe that the actual in-game story of Duviri came after the supposed death of the Operator from certain "avatar" wannabe, when the Operation was sent into the void. This was at the beginning of the New War. Operator somehow survive this and ended up to Duviri where he will go ever many trials for however long it will take until he faced his darker self in that realm. By taking position as a new controller of Duviri and with the reset and supposed free of the people in the realm, he would be able to come back to the physical plane, which had changed since his long absence. That is where we first played as the older Operator in the New War.
Have you come across the Vagabond yet? Gives an ominous laugh and disappears when you look away, very much like our little Orbiter friend. I've seen him in three spots so far.
The dream in the second dream was tenno beliving they were the warframe due to maguilis/lotus suppressing our memories and placing us in cryo sleep
So Duviri couldn't be what we were dreaming of in that sleep?
But only the drifter can enter in Duviri since I’m pretty sure he was stuck there and if the operator was dreaming in duviri then who would control the war frame if the operator was dreaming in duviri this probably sounds dumb lol
@@TheDsIEGE’m not trying to argue but I’m just so confused
@@TheDsIEGEyes
The more of these lore videos the more unnerving Warframe feels. Sure you get to play as a whimsical musical marauding maestra with but that frame also has a painful backstory and explanation for the music fixation
Couldn't have said it better myself
btw in case you didn't notice if you listen closely to the man in the wall in The New War you can hear it say rap tap tap
Say whatever you want of Thraxx, he did protect his subjects (As best a child could) from the Void - Him.
I find it interesting that you mentioned The Never Ending Story, because I wouldn't have thought of it but now that you mentioned it I realized that there's even more parallels to the book only events of The Never Ending Story that have interesting implications, with most of the "spirals" have some parallels to the book, mostly to different parts of Bastion's character arch after saving Fantasia (because that's not what the book is mostly about) And with that note, READ THE BOOK THE MOVIE WAS BASED ON. Trust me, its EVEN BETTER then the movie ever was by a LARGE margin.
Yes it's in their mind it says so when you leave
The mausoleum mightve been when the resevoir was uncovered. Sleepers awakening.
You could use the xaku Deluxe skin in the following videos, I feel like that skin was planned to be released along with duviri
They even talk about Lua bt they seem to refer to it as the Doll mausoleum also the kuva fortress when they talk about how the blood came from the ground.
Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland and the Southern reach trilogy seem to also serve as inspiration as well.
My Kaithe is named Artax, it will remain safe.
Playing since 2014, fascinated with the lore of the game more than just the hack 'n' slash. To me Duviri was the first and only time, I suspect, that the lore felt *less* than the gameplay. Hyping for 4 years, monitoring Samuel artstation work with the dax skeleton models, I was really hoping for those to be remains of former dax soldiers aboard the zariman, the centurion and the legatus of the original grineer, stuck in some type of temporal anchor or singularity...was expecting duviri to be the result of the zarriman ship terraforming his own ladscape in the nothingness, the people to be former tripulants who kept the empire way alive all this time but being altered by divergency and void interaction...or even being the first true alien faction, dimensional aliens instead of spatial.
Really disliked the whole "Deadpool invade fairytales" thing, "imagination given life" motto...I mean, i got the "Floogies" inspiration, just didn't need to go all the way into a dreamland concept. Developers sometimes pull the "It was all just a dream" move because it's metaphorical to their own work and creative process, but to me atleast this is not a good move, it breaks the worldbuilding you were trying to solidify, it creates more questions than adresses them ("-Tenno could create a whole world in a traumatic situation in contact with the void, what else could he create? He can repeat the feat? Imagine into reality an definitive weapon to overthrow the grineer and the corpus? Other factions can access this method?"). Thought the thrax would be a real big enemy to be dealt in the origin system but now, even if he amass his armies to cross the rift, it would be an invasion of folktales characters...the depth and seriousness of the act is removed.
My hope is that Alleria wrote the book based on real people and real places of the orokin empire so even though they are reconstructions, they are based on real things...still it's not the same...
The myth of innocence is the faith that ignorance will not bring us to harm, contented into bliss and apathetic to a inhospitable reality. A child was preyed upon to make a decision they had not the knowledge or wisdom to make. We need a New Deal.
This is great, but any reason for the blurry box? It's a bit distracting
I'm not sure about it because I can't seem to see that when I play it, so I'm not sure it that was something UA-cam's done or what....
@@TheDsIEGE Maybe it's a weird rendering bug
And remenbr we still have narmer i wonder how thats gonna play out with kahl and maybe even more allys like the corpus i dout parvos is liking there appearance and in not sure about alad v tho is he dead has he been vailed and now the archon pazzul most likely erra being controled by a figure in the shadows we dont know about u think pazzul is just a figure head someones pulling his strings and i dout its ballas since he got killed by the lotus i would like to hear your thoughts about this comment
So... I have some theories on Narmer as well in an upcoming video... Pazzul on the other hand is a figure I still need more data on....
I do see your point tho about it being the tennos dream tho I wonder if theres more tenno out there
🤗🤗 I have been waiting for your take on Duviri! So glad you decided to pick up the mantle once more. Your work is so appreciated by us Eternal Tennos, never forget!🫡
Thank you!!!! I'm just glad so many of you decided to come back to the channel!!!!
1:15 YES! please.
I want to visit the island of Lorn. It sounds like a fun place
Not gona lie it would be nice to see those extra duviri islands flow to some of the planets like how the entrati lab would mysteriously appear on deimos or the Vinyard be seen on cetus
And possibly the art gallery or the farm land appear on lua
I think the man in the wall wants to use duviri as a doorway to get to the real world. I mean we literally have a doorway in the zariman right?
Honestly If I could pick one island to return, it would be the doll mausoleum, it might make thrax remember his back.