I have a 2020 Passport AWD. Was $36k when purchased, now $41.9k hmmm. 45 thousand miles and zero problems, plenty spacious. Give us the 10 speed and life is good.
I consider this a CUV version of the 4Runner. Love that Honda offers a metal skid plate and rear swing away tire carrier. Great job Honda. Only way it could be better is if you were to bring back the individual adjustable arm rests.
This is fantastic. Honda Passport TrailSport is absolutely perfect for many people. I even tell my friends to look at 2024 Pilot Trailsport too. A/T tires, skids, etc a very nice package for outdoor activities. I see many compare with 4Runner and complain 4Runner mpg. Have to remember 4Runner is old tech and does not have fancy cylinder deactivation or anything like that. 4Runners run on all 6 cylinders all the time and also have port injection. And 4Runner is a SUV and Pilot / Passport is a car with a big body. Per my weight video I was surprised to see that my 4Runner Limited is 5060lbs. Probably because 3rd row seats. Love to see comparison Passport Trailsport vs 4Runner TRD Pro (since both come with A/T tires, etc from factory). Even mpg test (4Runner would fail so bad, LoL) or even towing test. I wonder if Passport AWD also rated for 3500lbs like the 2023Pilot with ZF9? Hope TFL don't over tow and over heat the transmission. I bet they would read the towing section in owners manual before test. Looking for a fantastic test and be an eye opener for some what these things can do.
New Honda V6 (like the Pilot) and 10speed Next year. More skid plates and more revisions coming! The entire vehicle is in line for total redo with the Ridgeline coming very soon.
I have a 2021 Passport Elite that I bought new for $46,300. Great deal because it was 0% financing. Love the response that 3.5 gives me. 5.7, 0 to 60 in sport mode. I’m not big on off roading but great in snow. Has every option as the one in this video. Suspension is slight different. Only thing I dislike is that stupid arm rest. Glad they finally changed it.
The Passport you have is Sonic Gray Pearl. Diffused Sky Blue is a bubble gum blue and very very comic blue than Sonic Grey Pearl. Also, they had Sonic Grey last year and in 2022 so it’s not a new color for this year - but you are correct that Diffused Sky Blue is, you just don’t have it lol
I test drove a 24 the other day. Tires are super quiet. The car looks great in person. Would’ve bought it but I work at Honda and they’re getting me the blue one so I’m waiting til end of Jan
They're falling way behind Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, and rising class Mazda. BTW, if anyone's interested in what Europeans are doing, even VW has begun stepping up its interior design. No more humdrum, and depressing sea-of-gray interiors.
I would like to see you folks measure the distance between the furthest back part of the back o the rear seat straight back to the front of the lift gate to see how far that is. To be specific - my amp cabs fit in my current 2012 Pilot with the rear seat up so that I can stack guitars in there safely. I want to know how much room is in the Passport so I will know if the cabs will fit in a Passport.
Before the business venture with Isuzu, the passport name was used on 2 seater Honda cubs starting in 1980. Not to mention the odyssey and pilot use to be off-road UTV’s. What the heck happened Honda.
I have a 2024 Passport Trailsport and love it overall. Passionately HATE the button shifter, and do not understand why they ran the wired Carplay through the USB-A, while there’s a USB-C sitting right next to it. Other than these minor knick-knacks, the car is fantastic.
and you guy's cant do math, if it's a 24 valve engne, and has six cylinders how many valves per cylinder are there? come one you're supposed to be professionals!
@1:58 Nor does Mazda or VW make an off-road car either. Many years ago when VW made their first attempt to build a true SUV with the Touareg, it was considered too expensive for a VW, and no one would buy it. Even though it was a worthy off-roader replete with up to 3 lockers, hill-climb assist, skid plates and height adjustable suspension, low range, along with a fully clad luxury interior equivalent to what you'd find in a Range Rover today. You could order it with a V-6/V-6 diesel, V-8, V-10 diesel, or W-12 (yes folks, VW got there first). What's truly ironic, is that the price (inflation notwithstanding) near the same as what Honda is asking for this Passport today. Having learned that lesson, VW tried again with a slightly less off-road -- but still capable version of the Tiguan (VW's best seller world-wide) and that one also fail miserably in the U.S. We North Americans can be a fickled crowd.
It seems like they designed that push button transmission for the odyssey and just kinda tacked it onto other models. They should have used a shifter for other models.
Correct. Though they really are two different vehicles altogether. Body on frame old school off roader vs a unibody soft roader. Nothing against the passport at all! Just wouldn’t pay 50k for one.
I'm a Toyota fanboy, but to me buying a new 4Runner that's been virtually the same since 2010 - old thirsty v6 / ancient 5 speed trans. / talk about ancient interior with plastics that scratch when you barely look at them / yes they will run forever , but paying 50K and the stupid "Toyota" tax is just non sense. If you want to build out a rig like a Jeep for real trails/off roading, the aftermarket support is incredible, but for most people that just commute and hit a state park every now an then, this Passport is a good compromise even with it's oddities (push putton selector:dumb) lol Even the new 2024 Tacoma is going to easily surpass 50K and not even for the Overland edition or TRD Pro - it looks like 50K is the new 30K unfortunately.
I like how all these cars are becoming identical. We are getting to the point where is one button is out of place i6t gets called out... but "out of place" is compared to the collectives agreement where it belongs. In another 5 years you won't be able to tell the difference on the inside from a 100k car to a 45k car.
Out of place mean inconveniently place. If you want to get into your glove box the button should be on the glove box. Not buried in your infotainment menu.
I read your post 3 times and I have no idea what the point of it is. You "like" that cars are "becoming identical". and "we are getting to the point where is one button is out of i6t gets called out"? huh?
"...more off-roady..." "...competition for the 4Runner..."?!?! General Grabber A/T tires are a good add, but they hardly make up for the lack of approach angle, ground clearance, etc. This seems more of just another cosmetic attempt to look like it is more capable. I'd compare this more to the Highlander than the 4Runner.
it’s Sonic Gray, they thought they had a Diffused Sky Blue model. Diffused Sky is a new color for the Pilot and the Passport this year, it’s a beautiful bubble gum blue - check it out in photos, it’s nice. TFL just made a mistake, or Honda told them the wrong color
Stay away from that 9 speed transmission. My Honda Pilot with the 9 speed failed at 78,000 miles. Other Honda owners have had issues with the VF supplied 9 speed. Honda ditched the 9 speed for a new 10 speed in the 2024 Pilot. Hhhhmmmmm?
I love Hondas, and I also love the General Grabber tires. However, dont be fooled by the Grabbers on this model. They are not the same as a real General Grabber ATX tire. I dont actually know the true specs of this factory provided tire, but it doesn't look the same as a true General Grabber all terrain tire, so dont expect it to perform as well as a real one. I may be wrong, but i doubt it.
Low range is for 4 wheel drive and not for AWD. You need to change the transmission and add in a transfer case. Then you will lose capability of AWD and the whole purpose of AWD. 4 wheel drive is great for off roading, but should not be used when driving over 40mph or long trips. So you lose the AWD capability and safety in severe weather by changing it out to part time 4WD. 99 percent of these buyers want a vehicle to drive in bad weather, so they want a no fuss AWD system for the added safety and traction. Thats why some 4Runner owners who never go off-roading, end up buying a full time AWD suv. 4Runners are meant to drive in rear drive only. 4 wheel is used for off-roading and going slow on bad weather roads for very short periods, or you will blow up your transfer case. So I don’t see Honda ruining a great thing that 99 percent of their users need.
Yes Honda is totally milking it in Canada, to the point it is no longer recommended by several reviewers. But heck as long as there are takers they will continue doing so.
The car cost the same amount to make. If you're paying higher than average in other regions, speak to your legislature. But before you get too outraged at Honda, you might want to compare what the Australians have to pay for one.
@@krane15 You can't really compare US/Canada with another continent without digging in all the reasons behind pricing differences. Here Honda Canada has decided to try to move upmarket and went from being competitive to be one of the most expensive.
We all know how! They called it the "trailsport" .is like when you call a Plymouth a "voyager". It makes you think that you can really go places! Lol. On top if that, $50k plus interest you end up paying 60k crazzzzyyyyyyy
Honda needs to get their prices in check. I know they make great vehicles but when you're approaching $50K there's really no incentive to get something like this over say the 4 Runner. It's the same story with the Ridgeline. They made the trailsport version but that truck is really not an off road truck. It's great for hauling bulky things on road and has good ride quality but when the Tacoma and Ridgeline are almost identical in price why choose the less capable one?
Becuz most people are on road 95% of the time thats why they value comfort road noise mileage trunk space and leg space. And good luck getting a decent spec 4 runner for 50k
@@MonicaHolly143 That makes sense and I understand what you mean. It just seems steep to me to ask $50K for anything really. A 4 Runner, OR Premium model w/ moonroof and premium package comes out to $49,755. Which is a lot more capable vehicle in general but still overpriced. I guess it's not going away anytime soon though.
Apparently Honda thinks it can continue to milk sales of the Passport just by adding a flimsy, mini skid plate and some AT's? This outdated offering simply dilutes the worth of their TrailSport package. I'd be pissed if I was an owner of a new Pilot TS lol
The fact that you want to use an unibody as a serious off roader tells a lot about you. This is a city vehicle that can tackle some mild trails. Can't ask for more.
Companies know 99 percent of their buyers are not rock crawling. 99 percent of Raptor owners and 4Runner owners only use them for daily driving. People waste so much money on a tool they never use. Hence why prices are so high.
Fact: 99 percent of people buy “Trail” trims for bigger tires for potholes and dirt roads, that are great in icy snow conditions. It’s a safety security. Real off roaders buy used full frame vehicles that they don’t care much about to go rock crawling.
Lol old engine, old transmission. Honda doesn’t even try even though they have the new 3.5 DOHC, 10 speed transmission and they want you to pay 50K. Stop buying if you want Honda to change their culture.
On the other hand, "if it ain't broke...." One reason why Honda's are so reliable. They don't go out on a limb since every time you update your risk new reliability issues. Besides, the engine and transmissions in most car last for a decade. That's the real time most changes are made anyway. The rest are just cosmetic (they change the lights and call it a new model) similar to your phone.
Love that they kept the v6 - not only a proven great performer but likely very reliable with high resale value.
awesome they kept the na v6 and no turbo crud we need more cars like these
I have a 2020 Passport AWD. Was $36k when purchased, now $41.9k hmmm. 45 thousand miles and zero problems, plenty spacious. Give us the 10 speed and life is good.
That is why iamma negotiate down south. At least 37k otd. Lol
Great vehicle, that color is SONIC GRAY not the Diffused blue. Good review though 👍🏻
I have a 2019 Passport Elite and I love the push button shifter. I purchased mine new and have 60K miles on it. It's been great for me.
I consider this a CUV version of the 4Runner. Love that Honda offers a metal skid plate and rear swing away tire carrier. Great job Honda. Only way it could be better is if you were to bring back the individual adjustable arm rests.
Sweet machine! I’m more looking forward to this series of videos on the Passport then the Cybertruck if that helps 😎👍
That's not Diffused Sky Pearl, that's Sonic Grey
They don’t even know. 😂
This is fantastic. Honda Passport TrailSport is absolutely perfect for many people. I even tell my friends to look at 2024 Pilot Trailsport too. A/T tires, skids, etc a very nice package for outdoor activities. I see many compare with 4Runner and complain 4Runner mpg. Have to remember 4Runner is old tech and does not have fancy cylinder deactivation or anything like that. 4Runners run on all 6 cylinders all the time and also have port injection. And 4Runner is a SUV and Pilot / Passport is a car with a big body. Per my weight video I was surprised to see that my 4Runner Limited is 5060lbs. Probably because 3rd row seats. Love to see comparison Passport Trailsport vs 4Runner TRD Pro (since both come with A/T tires, etc from factory). Even mpg test (4Runner would fail so bad, LoL) or even towing test. I wonder if Passport AWD also rated for 3500lbs like the 2023Pilot with ZF9? Hope TFL don't over tow and over heat the transmission. I bet they would read the towing section in owners manual before test. Looking for a fantastic test and be an eye opener for some what these things can do.
New Honda V6 (like the Pilot) and 10speed Next year. More skid plates and more revisions coming! The entire vehicle is in line for total redo with the Ridgeline coming very soon.
I’m looking forward to your testing of the PASSPORT especially since I plan on buying one!!! Thx guys!! 💕
How does a 24 valve engine V6 only have 2 valves/cylinder?
4-Valves per Cylinder, SOHC VTEC V6
I have a 2021 Passport Elite that I bought new for $46,300. Great deal because it was 0% financing. Love the response that 3.5 gives me. 5.7, 0 to 60 in sport mode. I’m not big on off roading but great in snow. Has every option as the one in this video. Suspension is slight different. Only thing I dislike is that stupid arm rest. Glad they finally changed it.
Hate to break it to you guys. That’s not the blue one. That’s the primer, I mean sonic gray pearl
The Passport you have is Sonic Gray Pearl. Diffused Sky Blue is a bubble gum blue and very very comic blue than Sonic Grey Pearl. Also, they had Sonic Grey last year and in 2022 so it’s not a new color for this year - but you are correct that Diffused Sky Blue is, you just don’t have it lol
Hopefully the Grabber AT sports are quieter than the AT/X on my Tremor… those emit a high pitched howl from like 30-70 mph
I test drove a 24 the other day. Tires are super quiet. The car looks great in person. Would’ve bought it but I work at Honda and they’re getting me the blue one so I’m waiting til end of Jan
Looks great, I wish it had the new pilot interior though
Honda needs to step up the game on the interior design.
They're falling way behind Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, and rising class Mazda. BTW, if anyone's interested in what Europeans are doing, even VW has begun stepping up its interior design. No more humdrum, and depressing sea-of-gray interiors.
I would like to see you folks measure the distance between the furthest back part of the back o the rear seat straight back to the front of the lift gate to see how far that is. To be specific - my amp cabs fit in my current 2012 Pilot with the rear seat up so that I can stack guitars in there safely. I want to know how much room is in the Passport so I will know if the cabs will fit in a Passport.
Before the business venture with Isuzu, the passport name was used on 2 seater Honda cubs starting in 1980. Not to mention the odyssey and pilot use to be off-road UTV’s. What the heck happened Honda.
And like for the 2024 Ridgeline they brought back the full center console and got rid of the minivan style armrests!
I have a 2024 Passport Trailsport and love it overall. Passionately HATE the button shifter, and do not understand why they ran the wired Carplay through the USB-A, while there’s a USB-C sitting right next to it. Other than these minor knick-knacks, the car is fantastic.
That is not diffused sky blue, that's sonic grey.
and you guy's cant do math, if it's a 24 valve engne, and has six cylinders how many valves per cylinder are there? come one you're supposed to be professionals!
@@alexw6926 And he said it's a 9 inch touchscreen when it's an 8 inch
i wish they can make the screen wider, make the 2nd seat recline more, back floormat into rubber or plastic
How would you compare top lines of Passport and Pilot?
Finnally, We get rid of the space intruding shifter..........My 68 Dodge didn't have one either........Paul
@1:58 Nor does Mazda or VW make an off-road car either. Many years ago when VW made their first attempt to build a true SUV with the Touareg, it was considered too expensive for a VW, and no one would buy it.
Even though it was a worthy off-roader replete with up to 3 lockers, hill-climb assist, skid plates and height adjustable suspension, low range, along with a fully clad luxury interior equivalent to what you'd find in a Range Rover today. You could order it with a V-6/V-6 diesel, V-8, V-10 diesel, or W-12 (yes folks, VW got there first).
What's truly ironic, is that the price (inflation notwithstanding) near the same as what Honda is asking for this Passport today.
Having learned that lesson, VW tried again with a slightly less off-road -- but still capable version of the Tiguan (VW's best seller world-wide) and that one also fail miserably in the U.S. We North Americans can be a fickled crowd.
Soooo.......they put different tires to make it an "off road" package?
Honda: did we say off-road? We meant off-road looking.
It seems like they designed that push button transmission for the odyssey and just kinda tacked it onto other models. They should have used a shifter for other models.
Is it more snow worthy is what I need to know
That’s Sonic Gray. Not Diffused Sky Blue
Thank you!
50g’s?! For a Passport? Nice car and all, but just get the 4Runner for that price.
Good car, but if you want good mileage...certainly not the 4runner.
Correct. Though they really are two different vehicles altogether. Body on frame old school off roader vs a unibody soft roader. Nothing against the passport at all! Just wouldn’t pay 50k for one.
Because the 4Runner is going for 70
I'm a Toyota fanboy, but to me buying a new 4Runner that's been virtually the same since 2010 - old thirsty v6 / ancient 5 speed trans. / talk about ancient interior with plastics that scratch when you barely look at them / yes they will run forever , but paying 50K and the stupid "Toyota" tax is just non sense. If you want to build out a rig like a Jeep for real trails/off roading, the aftermarket support is incredible, but for most people that just commute and hit a state park every now an then, this Passport is a good compromise even with it's oddities (push putton selector:dumb) lol
Even the new 2024 Tacoma is going to easily surpass 50K and not even for the Overland edition or TRD Pro - it looks like 50K is the new 30K unfortunately.
You're experiencing sticker shock. 50k is the approaching the price of the average car. The Toyota RAV4 Prime is 50k+.
I like how all these cars are becoming identical. We are getting to the point where is one button is out of place i6t gets called out... but "out of place" is compared to the collectives agreement where it belongs. In another 5 years you won't be able to tell the difference on the inside from a 100k car to a 45k car.
Out of place mean inconveniently place. If you want to get into your glove box the button should be on the glove box. Not buried in your infotainment menu.
I read your post 3 times and I have no idea what the point of it is. You "like" that cars are "becoming identical". and "we are getting to the point where is one button is out of i6t gets called out"? huh?
Honda. Bring back the Element. Make it a Trail Sport or Hybrid or whatever. Just leave the Passport alone andgive us a New Element.
beautiful car
Honda really needs to do better with their styling. Very solid other than that
"...more off-roady..." "...competition for the 4Runner..."?!?! General Grabber A/T tires are a good add, but they hardly make up for the lack of approach angle, ground clearance, etc. This seems more of just another cosmetic attempt to look like it is more capable. I'd compare this more to the Highlander than the 4Runner.
You ignore the elephant in the room
This looks like a frumpy Van 😅😅😅
You say it’s diffused sky blue but the cloud cover and camera must make it look like their Sonic Gray color. Weird.
Wait that’s a sonic gray paint lol. My wife’s 2023 passport has that - they just changed the name of the color hahaha!
it’s Sonic Gray, they thought they had a Diffused Sky Blue model. Diffused Sky is a new color for the Pilot and the Passport this year, it’s a beautiful bubble gum blue - check it out in photos, it’s nice. TFL just made a mistake, or Honda told them the wrong color
I call it off Mall
Great looking but that push button for the transmission I hate it.
Why? Its like its something you need to be constantly engaged with. You put it in gear and drive.
Honda should sell the Passport in Australia.
I saw the spy shots for the 2025 model
I was loving it until I heard how much it costs.
cool car, but the color looks like somebody polished the primer 😝
I used to own a Passport/Trailsport. Nice vehicle, but overpriced imo.
Stay away from that 9 speed transmission. My Honda Pilot with the 9 speed failed at 78,000 miles. Other Honda owners have had issues with the VF supplied 9 speed. Honda ditched the 9 speed for a new 10 speed in the 2024 Pilot. Hhhhmmmmm?
Big fail by not putting the 10 speed in this model too.
I love Hondas, and I also love the General Grabber tires. However, dont be fooled by the Grabbers on this model. They are not the same as a real General Grabber ATX tire. I dont actually know the true specs of this factory provided tire, but it doesn't look the same as a true General Grabber all terrain tire, so dont expect it to perform as well as a real one. I may be wrong, but i doubt it.
Still no low-range, c’mon Honda, pull it together!
Great video TFl!
On the other hand, why mess with a formula that works?
Low range is for 4 wheel drive and not for AWD. You need to change the transmission and add in a transfer case.
Then you will lose capability of AWD and the whole purpose of AWD.
4 wheel drive is great for off roading, but should not be used when driving over 40mph or long trips. So you lose the AWD capability and safety in severe weather by changing it out to part time 4WD.
99 percent of these buyers want a vehicle to drive in bad weather, so they want a no fuss AWD system for the added safety and traction.
Thats why some 4Runner owners who never go off-roading, end up buying a full time AWD suv. 4Runners are meant to drive in rear drive only. 4 wheel is used for off-roading and going slow on bad weather roads for very short periods, or you will blow up your transfer case.
So I don’t see Honda ruining a great thing that 99 percent of their users need.
Better than trashy Rivian r1s
Just buy a 4runner
$55,000 for this in Canada.. That’s 10k more than my Outback Wilderness. This is an absolute rip off.
Yes Honda is totally milking it in Canada, to the point it is no longer recommended by several reviewers. But heck as long as there are takers they will continue doing so.
The car cost the same amount to make. If you're paying higher than average in other regions, speak to your legislature. But before you get too outraged at Honda, you might want to compare what the Australians have to pay for one.
@@krane15 You can't really compare US/Canada with another continent without digging in all the reasons behind pricing differences. Here Honda Canada has decided to try to move upmarket and went from being competitive to be one of the most expensive.
We all know how! They called it the "trailsport" .is like when you call a Plymouth a "voyager". It makes you think that you can really go places! Lol. On top if that, $50k plus interest you end up paying 60k crazzzzyyyyyyy
Is called inflation get used to it.
Everything is inflated. Blame stimulus checks, shutting down pipelines, funding wars, etc.
Get used to it. It’s only gonna get worse.
Please get a haircut tommy
So $61,713 🇨🇦 for that ?! Nah.
Sticker shock bub?
@@krane15 Huge Shock !
Honda needs to get their prices in check. I know they make great vehicles but when you're approaching $50K there's really no incentive to get something like this over say the 4 Runner. It's the same story with the Ridgeline. They made the trailsport version but that truck is really not an off road truck. It's great for hauling bulky things on road and has good ride quality but when the Tacoma and Ridgeline are almost identical in price why choose the less capable one?
Becuz most people are on road 95% of the time thats why they value comfort road noise mileage trunk space and leg space. And good luck getting a decent spec 4 runner for 50k
@@MonicaHolly143 That makes sense and I understand what you mean. It just seems steep to me to ask $50K for anything really. A 4 Runner, OR Premium model w/ moonroof and premium package comes out to $49,755. Which is a lot more capable vehicle in general but still overpriced. I guess it's not going away anytime soon though.
Apparently Honda thinks it can continue to milk sales of the Passport just by adding a flimsy, mini skid plate and some AT's? This outdated offering simply dilutes the worth of their TrailSport package. I'd be pissed if I was an owner of a new Pilot TS lol
Not just Honda. Kia does the exact same thing with the Telluride. It too has off-road prowess that's only skin deep.
The fact that you want to use an unibody as a serious off roader tells a lot about you.
This is a city vehicle that can tackle some mild trails. Can't ask for more.
Companies know 99 percent of their buyers are not rock crawling.
99 percent of Raptor owners and 4Runner owners only use them for daily driving. People waste so much money on a tool they never use. Hence why prices are so high.
Fact: 99 percent of people buy “Trail” trims for bigger tires for potholes and dirt roads, that are great in icy snow conditions. It’s a safety security.
Real off roaders buy used full frame vehicles that they don’t care much about to go rock crawling.
Lol old engine, old transmission. Honda doesn’t even try even though they have the new 3.5 DOHC, 10 speed transmission and they want you to pay 50K. Stop buying if you want Honda to change their culture.
On the other hand, "if it ain't broke...."
One reason why Honda's are so reliable. They don't go out on a limb since every time you update your risk new reliability issues. Besides, the engine and transmissions in most car last for a decade. That's the real time most changes are made anyway. The rest are just cosmetic (they change the lights and call it a new model) similar to your phone.
I prefer the "old" proven reliable engine and transmission than the new lousy cvt and unreliable turbo...