I’ve gotten used to it over the years, but Bagel somehow does all of these 30, 40, 50 minute videos in *one take*. Like seriously, that’s crazy impressive and it’s super cool once you realize it :)
@@lasunbarada-realtorri1265 artifacts changed the meta. Icaru being meta without artifacts is insanely difficult. Needed crazy rune requirements before
I personally feel Jultan is at least A for guild wars. Speed lead, both skill defense breaks, and can stun with skill 2. I stuck some speed on mine, nothing amazing but he's over 200 speed and I've been enjoying him more than just a damage sponge.
You tier list is actually very clever, and usefull: Everyone makes TIER list based on RTA, an there are only 1% of players who do that kind of PVP, the resto of mortals do C1 or lower. Thanks much appreciated.
This is really helpful for newer players. I just 6* Miho so I was pretty stoked at her rating. I’m pretty impressed by his ability to make things accessible and understandable even during segments such as these. He would be a great radio jockey!
Its a very good tier list, but its a little problematic not having (A or A-). For instance, Spectra now is SO SO SO strong in ToaH that I can't see her in the same "level" or some others of the (A+ PvE) tier. Since its an "old" content people kind of overlook it, but for early/mid game she is amazing now, changed my runs from 4~5 trys (hard maps) to AutoPlay.
I like these long videos. I learn a lot (pretty noob), and I always get a little disappointed whenever you interrupt yourself saying "But I can't talk about that all day. Look at the time. Gotta go fast".
4:50 Fire Werewolf got me through most of the story even before second awakening so now he is essentially a legacy character to me. Him Wind Dice, wind Lich.
Hey bagel (and all), question, does water mystic witch and her 2nd (toad poison, if I recall) work well against DB10? Right crystal gives immunity, but her S2 blocks beneficial effects. Does it prevent the dragon from getting that immunity, or does it overrule that debuff?
She can remove the immunity,won't prevent the tower from giving immunity, the tower removes every debuffs including her block if it's on the dragon, she's good in urly db10 but falls short afterwards
6 Years of getting butt fucked by Come2us... Or a jump from the current version (5.3.x) to version 6 with a massive update... But I'd stick with the first theory...
My first ever time to comment on a tier list. Yo the wind werewolf is good!!! How dare you put the water war bear avbove him - that is tragic. Also Jultan is straight up awesome in guild content at the moment. He is great vs Loren and also Miho (def break, healblock, DoT, and built with low CR normally). WTF - Shannon! Above Jultan - I am crying inside.
Any chance we see an updated 2A tier list with the missing mons added? Or has it already been done and I just need to search through your content better? :P
This is not about 2A units, but i`d like to ask if you could do a showcase on the fire babaric king. I wanna know if his 3rd Skill ignores Triana, Miho and Garo Passive. Thanks!
Love the content. I know it's mostly repetitive from the last 2a video, but things change and others are still worth repeating. :) Any chance of us getting a video like this about the rune types? :)
I feel like Jewbagel's GW tiers are heavily influenced by being in really low level guilds lol. Loren is starting to take over higher levels, while a lot of Jeanne Skogul X defs are becoming less common. Probably also thinks he's worse because opponents have trash runes and never crit his Jultan. IMO he's better than basically every monster he put in A+ for GW, he definitely doesn't belong a full tier below. Also Aeilene's 1st skill damage is so far below the other debuff scalers. Guildie used her in R5 and, despite higher damage runes, she was lower damage than things like Hwa and Stella, let alone the big nukers like Kro, XL, Wind Martial Cat, etc. IMO She should be b tier _at best_ and only because she reduces atb on skill 1 which may be okay situationally, though I doubt it. I personally would put her in the bottom tier based on what I've seen.
I think he isn't in low level guilds. Just a lot of people watching are low level guilds. Better guild/players don't need guides that much and they can make all monster and just put them to box since they will have almost all that they need. So he thinks for lower tier players because they will go look for this guide most.
Jultan is much more relevant in guild wars than fire werewolf though, budget rakan is yay but rakan is already pretty unused in gw for a reason :x Though I don't understand why Mina (also she's a miho counter if you put one debuff) isn't SSS, yes she's not great in pve but neither is miho and she's up there :s Same for elucia! Varus isn't great, maybe A+ Gw but not much better than that The rest seem pretty solid otherwise o:
Like a vid on which monsters are worse as 2nd awaken w/o skill-ups. I.e., Bernard would not have reducing cool down and damage buffs so is he really better 2nd awaken?
Funny enough i did try wind cat for rta/gw for awhile. 119 base speed and 100% crit is crazy nice. Now shes being tested for a front line r5 build. Which is going well.
Did you take down your video that showed all of the future 2nd awakenings? Can’t find it for the life of me Edit: I WAS SO HAPPY WHEN HE PUT WIND INU IN S TIER I LOVE THIS DOGGO.
BAGEL I just saw a video from SW that says "66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666" I just counted, there are 100 6's in the still frame What monster is 600?
I think Elucia should be in SSS tier even though she’s only solid in guild war and siege and RTA she’s so good in them it’s just makes her skyrocket I will pick her over a Diana
Pulled a blue cat - thinks nice food for Miho - realized I hadn't deselected last mon too late and watched a nat2 eat both. Cried a lot and wrote large stickit note on monitor - "LOCK GOOD MONS". Cried some more
Icaru (blue inugami) actually got me from B+ to an S score in fire rift beast, and that was before the 2nd awakening, when its MAX Def bonus that I could build was +2247. Now with the second ability, which takes on more partners, and with dark Harpu, I have gotten to a 1:17 time on necropolis B10.
I use Naomi in Siege and Guild wars a lot. Naomi (L) Fran Loren is really good team against Khmun Skogul Vigor defences. With defense break and slow debuff, my cat one-shots 90% of skoguls, and vigor is a guaranteed kill. Also thanks for Naomi I finally finished Arena in C1
I use the water inugami with feng yan and emma for gw/siege offence, i honestly, love him, such an underated unit, that counter buff on every attack is underated, and he has self attack buff and def break as well, truly underrated
Can you make an overall tier list? I want to know all SSS mons and best everywhere mons in general. I am at a point where I don't know who I should work on next. 😭😭😭 I am sorry for being noob! 🥺
I have built an Icaru because I thoughtt he looks cool. Since then I have found out that he is a pretty good paired up with a Woosa to remove that one turn gap from the Immunity and also provide a speed lead and defense break. Not S tier or anything but actually usable.
Seriously, stop hating Icaru. His kit ABSOLUTELY makes sense. He is a Defense based Tank with utillity and still solid damage because he applies both a Defense Break AND an attack buff for himself. Build him full Def and still do ~15k Damage per hit. He is very similar to the Fire Monkey. but for some reason, fire Monkey is good while Icaru "doesn't make sense"? come on. I am using him EVERY SINGLE Siege Battle, almost every Guild war and he is part of a 15-20 Siege Def. 15-20 isn't great ofc, because its a mono Element team but still much better than most of the non-meta siege defs. (G1 btw) I even using him sometimes in RTA in a gimmick team. Only works until like F1 or F2 though ^^
I just started playing again after about 4 years away. What is RTA? I also greatly regret that I ate my Kro before I quit. I had one built but I have Brandia so I decided I didn't need 2 things doing roughly the same thing.
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I’ve gotten used to it over the years, but Bagel somehow does all of these 30, 40, 50 minute videos in *one take*. Like seriously, that’s crazy impressive and it’s super cool once you realize it :)
"Which beast monster am I most attracted to?"
This is a video I didn't know I needed. MAKE IT!!!
The ducks. Obviously.
2:48 *Werewolves*
7:49 *Warbears*
11:19 *Pixies*
16:56 *Fairies*
22:16 *Martial Cats*
27:28 *Inugamis* *_(Puppy Dogs)_*
33:03 *Griffons*
much appreciated
Thanks saving my time
Thx
Thanks bro!
Thx bro
Bagel putting Icaru in C Tier
DB12 Meta: *aight time to step in*
He did say that its based on other peoples opinion and that he actually thinks its a good unit
@@kiwi446 i mean this is also a video made 8 months ago when the tricaru meta wasn't a thing
lol my jaw dropped when he put the tricaru in C
@@lasunbarada-realtorri1265 Because he wasn't a thing back then. This was released last April.
@@lasunbarada-realtorri1265 artifacts changed the meta. Icaru being meta without artifacts is insanely difficult. Needed crazy rune requirements before
I would watch a waifu teir list. Lol
He should make one
DESTINY CHILD.
Do it bagel we'd love to know!
PS: it's Beth right?
1. Malaka
The Rest
Do itt
Even since 2a cats came out I started regretting every single time I fed a dark cat 😔😔
I personally feel Jultan is at least A for guild wars. Speed lead, both skill defense breaks, and can stun with skill 2. I stuck some speed on mine, nothing amazing but he's over 200 speed and I've been enjoying him more than just a damage sponge.
Same can't fathom how jultan isn't A gw/arena tier yet fire werewolf is.
And he’s a dark tank for Loren defences
Jewbagel is only G1 so he doesn't face all these loren defs I guess
I agree...I use jultan in gwo/siege all the time...
hes def A now for PC10
Icaru: You guys always act like you're better than me!
Raoq, Kro, Belladeon, Ramahan: *wearing S and SSS tier sashes*
And now icaru is the best for db12 farm
Thanks for making this it helped me out a lot so glad u made this
You tier list is actually very clever, and usefull: Everyone makes TIER list based on RTA, an there are only 1% of players who do that kind of PVP, the resto of mortals do C1 or lower.
Thanks much appreciated.
I just want to say ramahan is great and no regrets about him
I love him and use him all the time in siege in guild I like to pair him with a slow lushen and fast wind horus speed lead for the win
JewBagle: I’m not here to say which monsters I am the most attracted to
Also JewBagle : 27:07
You. I like you.
Yup. Repeats a PvE only monster if soooooo SSS, including in PvE, PvE and Pve. Not that good either. Well XD that's human
This is really helpful for newer players. I just 6* Miho so I was pretty stoked at her rating. I’m pretty impressed by his ability to make things accessible and understandable even during segments such as these. He would be a great radio jockey!
Its a very good tier list, but its a little problematic not having (A or A-). For instance, Spectra now is SO SO SO strong in ToaH that I can't see her in the same "level" or some others of the (A+ PvE) tier.
Since its an "old" content people kind of overlook it, but for early/mid game she is amazing now, changed my runs from 4~5 trys (hard maps) to AutoPlay.
Enjoyed this Tier list more than the other ones that you show us in the past
Man.. 4:19Am here in Italy, why am i watching this? I mean, i love you Bagel, but i need some sleep... Please.
Boy how much this list changed through patches and monsters being added, list would be (mostly) all shuffled now
Yeah
Hey Bagel, does it make sense to redo this list as the b12 and the artifact dungeons just came out?
I like these long videos. I learn a lot (pretty noob), and I always get a little disappointed whenever you interrupt yourself saying "But I can't talk about that all day. Look at the time. Gotta go fast".
Dang was so happy when I heard waifu tier list...😔😔
4:50 Fire Werewolf got me through most of the story even before second awakening so now he is essentially a legacy character to me.
Him Wind Dice, wind Lich.
Thanks so much for all the work and effort you put into your videos. This helps me out so much.
Me- 2A tier list? Should be a nice and easy watch
*sees 38 minutes*
Me- I’ll take the challenge you evil bastard!
I wanna make Icaru work, I wanna know how the devs intended to use him, 'cause all the puppy dogs are amazing units, I refuse to believe otherwise !
now you can right?haha
Hey bagel (and all), question, does water mystic witch and her 2nd (toad poison, if I recall) work well against DB10? Right crystal gives immunity, but her S2 blocks beneficial effects. Does it prevent the dragon from getting that immunity, or does it overrule that debuff?
She can remove the immunity,won't prevent the tower from giving immunity, the tower removes every debuffs including her block if it's on the dragon, she's good in urly db10 but falls short afterwards
ierbutza21 wow, that kinda sucks then. Thanks mate
The dark fairy gives a silence and glance and decent damage, so it's great for getting that awesome damage in the light rift :) I got rank 8 with her
6:31 Very happy to hear that bacause i am building / leveling / 2a one right now
28:40 Glad to hear that too, because i am building one of those too
Icaru sitting in C Tier and now theyre speedrunning DB12
One of the Adamson brothers here! Love your stuff Bagel & eager to see your theories on the new 6 video!
Wow I didnt know you were in a 7DS mobile ad until it played while I was watching this video, that's pretty cool man!
Bagel look at the 6 in the events page, what does it mean!?!?!
6 Years of getting butt fucked by Come2us... Or a jump from the current version (5.3.x) to version 6 with a massive update... But I'd stick with the first theory...
6 year anniversary?
My first ever time to comment on a tier list. Yo the wind werewolf is good!!! How dare you put the water war bear avbove him - that is tragic. Also Jultan is straight up awesome in guild content at the moment. He is great vs Loren and also Miho (def break, healblock, DoT, and built with low CR normally). WTF - Shannon! Above Jultan - I am crying inside.
So glad Fire Inu is at the top. I was worried he would be at the bottom and all my effort would be for nothing
Any chance we see an updated 2A tier list with the missing mons added? Or has it already been done and I just need to search through your content better? :P
Thnx for the usual, very accurate video. Would love to see you on Island grown's podcast ;)
Miho can also 1v3 Ragdoll, Artamiel, and Yeonhong
This coming from experience
Awesome profile pic sir
This is not about 2A units, but i`d like to ask if you could do a showcase on the fire babaric king. I wanna know if his 3rd Skill ignores Triana, Miho and Garo Passive. Thanks!
Love the content. I know it's mostly repetitive from the last 2a video, but things change and others are still worth repeating. :)
Any chance of us getting a video like this about the rune types? :)
Cheers for the overview - great advice for focusing a second account - appreciated! Now go and make Labyrinth content!
You never talk too much for me bagel. You have to talk more, give me all of your wisdom and knowledge!!!
Nice video great personality 🔥
I feel like Jewbagel's GW tiers are heavily influenced by being in really low level guilds lol. Loren is starting to take over higher levels, while a lot of Jeanne Skogul X defs are becoming less common. Probably also thinks he's worse because opponents have trash runes and never crit his Jultan. IMO he's better than basically every monster he put in A+ for GW, he definitely doesn't belong a full tier below.
Also Aeilene's 1st skill damage is so far below the other debuff scalers. Guildie used her in R5 and, despite higher damage runes, she was lower damage than things like Hwa and Stella, let alone the big nukers like Kro, XL, Wind Martial Cat, etc. IMO She should be b tier _at best_ and only because she reduces atb on skill 1 which may be okay situationally, though I doubt it. I personally would put her in the bottom tier based on what I've seen.
I think he isn't in low level guilds. Just a lot of people watching are low level guilds. Better guild/players don't need guides that much and they can make all monster and just put them to box since they will have almost all that they need. So he thinks for lower tier players because they will go look for this guide most.
Jultan is much more relevant in guild wars than fire werewolf though, budget rakan is yay but rakan is already pretty unused in gw for a reason :x
Though I don't understand why Mina (also she's a miho counter if you put one debuff) isn't SSS, yes she's not great in pve but neither is miho and she's up there :s Same for elucia!
Varus isn't great, maybe A+ Gw but not much better than that
The rest seem pretty solid otherwise o:
Like a vid on which monsters are worse as 2nd awaken w/o skill-ups. I.e., Bernard would not have reducing cool down and damage buffs so is he really better 2nd awaken?
FYI - Crushing hits kill dark cat easily. Orion, Gemini, and Draco all guarantee a crushing hit on S2.
Good job Bagel, enjoyng watching your content :)
Funny enough i did try wind cat for rta/gw for awhile. 119 base speed and 100% crit is crazy nice. Now shes being tested for a front line r5 build. Which is going well.
Bagel does the new Com2us video mean that the game is going to hell or we are in hell
Did you take down your video that showed all of the future 2nd awakenings? Can’t find it for the life of me
Edit: I WAS SO HAPPY WHEN HE PUT WIND INU IN S TIER I LOVE THIS DOGGO.
Nice video! Can you make a 2A Ursha video please!
Last time I was this early I was able to leave the house
BAGEL I just saw a video from SW that says "66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666"
I just counted, there are 100 6's in the still frame
What monster is 600?
Hey Bagel, can you make a new video for F2P teams for TOA/H, Rift beasts, DB/G and which 4-5* that can replace? At least the F2P part!
I think Elucia should be in SSS tier even though she’s only solid in guild war and siege and RTA she’s so good in them it’s just makes her skyrocket I will pick her over a Diana
Agreed
I’m pretty starter into the game but I want to do a secondary awakening should I do it on Bella
Miho obviously the S tier pick for practical use
and waifu tier list
I sure hope one day people find a use for icaru
which is the software used for doing the tier list? the black bars??? thanks
I'm surprised at how low you put Jultan especially considering you've 2a'd 3 of them on your main
Thanks Bagel, was always confused on which 2A'd mon to build and didn't want to waste Energy/Time on a Potato Tiered Mon :D
elle est cool ta video mec continue comme sa tes le meilleur
is 4444 still active? watched your 2015 vid and found it and just wondering if it is still active.
Pulled a blue cat - thinks nice food for Miho - realized I hadn't deselected last mon too late and watched a nat2 eat both. Cried a lot and wrote large stickit note on monitor - "LOCK GOOD MONS". Cried some more
Icaru (blue inugami) actually got me from B+ to an S score in fire rift beast, and that was before the 2nd awakening, when its MAX Def bonus that I could build was +2247. Now with the second ability, which takes on more partners, and with dark Harpu, I have gotten to a 1:17 time on necropolis B10.
nice video dude! really good this tier list
Funny that you said Icaru had to be better than he is back in 2020. Can you see the future?
What is this program you are using here to drag and drop units?
I use Naomi in Siege and Guild wars a lot. Naomi (L) Fran Loren is really good team against Khmun Skogul Vigor defences. With defense break and slow debuff, my cat one-shots 90% of skoguls, and vigor is a guaranteed kill. Also thanks for Naomi I finally finished Arena in C1
I use the water inugami with feng yan and emma for gw/siege offence, i honestly, love him, such an underated unit, that counter buff on every attack is underated, and he has self attack buff and def break as well, truly underrated
I agree , one of highest win rate to rune/monster quality ratio is my velaj emma icaru. the ratio is comparable to copper dozer teams
Can you make an overall tier list? I want to know all SSS mons and best everywhere mons in general. I am at a point where I don't know who I should work on next. 😭😭😭 I am sorry for being noob! 🥺
That video would be 500+ hours long with Jewbagel
@@xSarahHartleyx LoL
Cassandra best waifu Jew you know that.
I kinda like all magical archers
As an ass man, cassandra ain't got nothing on Kahli
Please, don't forget Sharron, she's my waifu.
@@wooffeevgc3274 of the magical archers, she's the one I want to use the most
Cole Sparrow I did use her as a laika killer in rta and some triana comps too
Is there any news on more second awakening? I need my lulu!
And now there is 8 months later
Can this please be done again with the new units to help a new player out? It's been almost a year :)
I have built an Icaru because I thoughtt he looks cool. Since then I have found out that he is a pretty good paired up with a Woosa to remove that one turn gap from the Immunity and also provide a speed lead and defense break. Not S tier or anything but actually usable.
5 months later... Seing light griphon naomi and spectra in the tier list kill me inside😂😒
Btw if you make a waifu tier list, you better make a daddy tier list for the female audience 😌
We say husbando fyi
Also Naomi has branding on her multihit and the same passive as Mina except 100% cr if the enemy DOES have debuffs.
Bagel: I'm not afraid of anything but that thing... That thing scares me
Dark Cat: Hi there
Bagel: sajdfgkaslghcqhcglui vqea
are we going to get an updated version of this??
when this was uploaded tricaru wasn't a thing probably?
Btw works the awakening power for 2a's too?
Seriously, stop hating Icaru. His kit ABSOLUTELY makes sense. He is a Defense based Tank with utillity and still solid damage because he applies both a Defense Break AND an attack buff for himself. Build him full Def and still do ~15k Damage per hit. He is very similar to the Fire Monkey. but for some reason, fire Monkey is good while Icaru "doesn't make sense"? come on.
I am using him EVERY SINGLE Siege Battle, almost every Guild war and he is part of a 15-20 Siege Def. 15-20 isn't great ofc, because its a mono Element team but still much better than most of the non-meta siege defs. (G1 btw)
I even using him sometimes in RTA in a gimmick team. Only works until like F1 or F2 though ^^
How do you use this tier list?
Like how can I access these templates?
Spectra 2A should be way up on list I use it every where but mine is almost 300 speed .
So you are telling me that my craka is worst than c tier since light pixie has better last skill(or same depends how you look at it) and strip :(
Icaru in the garage verdahile steps in hold my beer db12 speed runs
Fire inugami is my favourite, he saved my time alot, clean and clean
Icaru is good in the Tricarus strategie. It is one of the best strategies for cairos and fire beast
Good old days of 2A water doggo at potato tier instead of the S+++ dragon team
random question what is the song at 37:50 called?
this was indeed very enlightening. Given hoe precious second awakening resources are, it's good to know where to apply them best
I’m curious how has this changed since the most recent update with b12s coming out
Have you seen the account that is all water Griffons?
good to hear that 2 of my fav 2as are SSS Tier
Kahn is S tier for me. He is a fast HP bruiser with an amazing turn cycling skill two and a skill three delete button.
I just started playing again after about 4 years away. What is RTA? I also greatly regret that I ate my Kro before I quit. I had one built but I have Brandia so I decided I didn't need 2 things doing roughly the same thing.
Kro will be useful if you need a brand or need a dark elemental. Like brandia can’t be used against giants but other than that they are pretty similar
My favorite videos are the theory crafting vids.
Hey Guys, what is ''6'' from Summoners War ? its in the Event Page , Bagel did you have any Idea ?
Just wanted to add to this tier list light griffin is definitely useful and against that SSS tier dark cat in siege try it out :)
wind Inugami is one of my main Seige/GW offence team. along Gany/Olivia and Bella/any defbreak.