@@ctusiard9755 Finally someone who has the same opinion as me. Swap Frog isn't the problem child Konami, it's that damn Ronin that doesn't even learn how to spell once per turn.
@@sekaihunter9378 While others learned how to spell once per turn they studied the blade. (not very well apparently with 100 atk and 2000 def, dupe even has the same stat line and apparently graduated from school)
Have you seen the ban on Auroradon? They'll ban good Link-3 monsters as well now. I wouldn't be surprised if Selene got banned for making it even easier to link climb into Accesscode Talker (or other Link-4 boss monsters) due to the setup by Halq
“And this shows why MBT viewers shouldn’t be in charge of card balancing!” Well, I don’t see what he means, there was only one bad take - *Dire Post Credit Sequence* I take it back, we should never be trusted with anything.
Eh, some of those were actually correct examples. Meow Meow Mu was absolutely banned for the sins of the Adventure engine and did not need to be banned (but MBT is noted as a huge defender of the Adventure Engine, so that might be why). Verte was banned for the sins of FD, which the OCG originally correctly identified by banning FD (which completely fixed Vertre).
Verte should not come back without an errata. It is too easy to make with trash materials that can bring out a very powerful monster. Because of Verte, Konami would have to put limits to both Fusion Monsters and Fusion spells solely because of Verte. What Verte needs is a stricter summoning requirement before it can come back.
@@DarkKnight179 Verte is the problem card. You wanna know why it's "fixed" in the OCG? Because they banned several cards instead of banning just Verte. Eventually they're gonna make an Albaz fusion that's a negate and suddenly they'll be broken again
@@DarkKnight179 no, verte IS the problem. Both DPE and dragoon are ok if you need to use their fusion spell to summon them (or poly but poly is THE problem of the fusion mechanic), while verte can transform any 2 monster into a fusion monster, searching any fusion spell card ignoring the activation requirements. (Edit 'cause i forgot) its cost is PAYING LIFE POINTS, there's literally no bad side of that card, even the fact that lock you out from special summoning can be ignored, because you are always doing it when you have finished your combo or when you have been interrupted, not to mention the fact that half of the good fusion spell cards already lock you from special summoning
On the one hand, the amount of tuners that have been banned for Halq’s sins is infamous, and the fact that Deskbot 001 wasn’t one of them is crazy, but I do love being able to summon Halq, Halq effect summon Phantom King Hydride (a 3 star tuner that can be treated as a non-tuner), and on my opponent’s turn sack Halq for Shooting Riser Dragon, and then Riser effect tune it and Hydride for Baronne on my opponent’s turn. Truly stupid fun but Halq 100% should have been banned ages ago.
@@NightmareEadin Hydride became one of my favorite cards because of dumb Halq combos like this. And because most of the synchro tuners in the game let you synchro summon on your opponent’s turn you can pull off some really silly interruptions.
Imo anywhere from some to most of the tuners that halq has gotten banned deserved a ban or at least a limit anyway like jet synchron its literally just a one card link 2.
I actually agree with samsara lotus over TBD on the grounds that TBD was a decent card in it's own right but not degenerate outside that interaction, whereas lotus is never going to be good outside of exactly that sort of degenerate loop so you lose very little by banning it whereas banning TBD is more likely to have collateral damage
Except tbd got 2 cards banned for it, not happy with that, it's now being looped alongside snow, and while you could argue snow is the problem(she absolutely should go back to 0 don't get me wrong), bomber has shown that it's only ever a good card when you can create these silly loops with it's effect and I think those are not healthy interactions to keep around
I can’t believe no one mentioned book of taiyou in the first ever tcg exclusive ban list. The problem was cyber jar and then the deck nearly won worlds because they went by the ocg list and that basically ended exclusive banlist ss for years.
A assault core reminded me of something. Back when Drytron was first released with benten at 3, some OCG builds were using union carrier to equip vanitys ruler with b buster drake just to make it immune to dark ruler no more and forbidden droplet. Imagine if buster drake got banned for that here in the tcg kinda like how destruction sword was banned because of union carrier
"Huh, why does mbt sound so disappointed at the end? Almost all if not all of the picks shown were good choices and he seemed to agree" A few seconds later: "you know, maybe this community is just really stupid actually"
United We Stand and Mage Power (birds of a feather) both spent extensive time on the list because they both enabled surprise OTKs...which in the 2003-2006 era of the game were actually a much bigger deal because of the general power of backrow vs monsters (with very few exceptions). United being actually temporarily forbidden might have been a bit much, but the limited status was definitely warranted for at least some of its time. I actually did extensive theorycrafting with some friends back in 2004-2005, and with those two equips unlimited, it actually makes for a really stupid combo/control strategy involving Mataza, or, barring that, even Hayabusa Knight. Having double-attacking, giant, level 3 monsters in a format where Level Limit Area B and Gravity Bind are legitimately powerful just isn't okay...especially with the other spell/traps in the format (Trunade especially). If you can get the game to be slow with one of your battle control cards and control even just one set monster, Trunade the board, then normal summon Mataza and equip it with one United and one Mage Power, that is enough to hit for 7800 direct...if you just set the board controller you already had, that raises the damage to 8800 direct...but that same scenario with *only* united we stand and two total monsters is 5800 damage...which is going to kill opponents 90% of the time. Just look at how ridiculous Cyber Stein + Cyber Twin was when it was around to get an idea. The GOAT and pre-GOAT formats are a lot more intricate and delicate than people give credit for.
Nah that guy was spitting about drident and zeus was spitting. Zeus inherently makes any card or archetype that facilitates stacking multiple Xyz materials exponentially more one dimensional, boring, and extraordinarily frustrating to deal with. In a world where we had to content with a 3K quick play banish that nukes your entire field when you deal with it, I'm pretty sure we can handle a quick play pop on a nonexistent body that does nothing when outed. While drident is an inherently dangerous card when it comes to releasing any kind of beast warrior support, Zeus is the true reason no zoo strategy will ever again see the light of day in any capacity.
Drident bore the sins of not only Zeus but also Utopic Draco Future - there was a really easy combo that drident enabled in Zoo/TriBrigade that would allow you to make Draco Future as well the rest of the 1st turn set up - I would love it to be unbanned now but I can understand why they did it at the time.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned brotherhood of the firefist spirit who was limited shortly after the release of brotherhood of the firefist rooster, it was limited on the famous September 2013 list which brought an end to dragon ruler spell book format so it wasn't like firefist had won many events.
Firefist might be the unluckiest archtype of all time. Blazar comes out, deck is supposed to match up against mermails, but mermails get Abyssteus as an exclusive, pushing them ahead, then Tachyon galaxy murders them, then the ban list on sept 2013, then rulers dominate until primal origin, which they finally are able to be a t2-t3 deck/engine in HAT format until fucking duelist alliance nukes them from orbit.
United We Stand got limited because of gimmick decks that paired it with Scapegoat on a clear board (at a time where Raigeki, Mirror Force and Dark Hole were very good). The deck wasn't great, but I think they were scared of it for some reason.
Well originally you just summon any beater and then scapegoat and stick United on it and have a 4000+ beat stick. Couple with Mage power and your very close to an OTK.
@@waihochow4635 Most commonly I saw was to use Sangan or Witch to tutor out any of the creatures who can attack twice like Hayabusa Knight or Mataza the Zapper.
@@ryanchase9332 Mine encounters were people doing this combo on a spear dragon. 1900+4000 and however many spells/trap cards you have and you can't block for crap.
I'd like to add one personally. On the same banlist where they finally got rid of all of the dragon rulers, they also, for some goddamn reason, banned dragon ravine. So that really annoyed me as a dragunity enthusiast.
Another example of something getting banned, along side the problem card that made it OP would be Yata Garasu. While it is the monster that was on the banlist the longest, it was always bad, even in its heyday. The reason it got banned, was because of it was the finisher of the Chaos Emporer-Sangan/Black Forest interaction, an incredibly unreliable, high roll strategy, that only worked because CED wiped everything. It got banned alongside CED
@@frankwest5388L. Yata could lock you even without CED. If you didn’t have a monster (because, say, all of them got answered) or you didn’t have a trap to out Yata (and remember this format had Duster, Heavy Storm, and all sorts of backrow removal because nothing was banned), one hit from Yata would end you. You don’t have an answer already? Too bad, you lose. Just draw the out next time. Yata was cancer and had to go.
Sekka’s light is a really strange card for Konami to have limited/banned. It is a draw 2 with a heavy restriction that you can only play copies of it in your deck instead of other spells/traps, but by limiting it the card loses all of its potential benefits and goes from an interesting gimmick card to a self imposed, one sided floodgate.
I was saying exactly that about Ulti Kanhawk for years, limiting it did nothing but make us deathly afraid of Warning/Judgment and make elder+penguine weaker. the loop was still fine, and the deck still stomped shaddoll (the real meta deck it countered, its nekroz game wasn't quite as clean) right up until Kozmo came out and everyone started siding Iron wall
Divine Wind of Mist Valley got limited to 1 in Jan 2014 and is still on the list for the crime of being part of a Blaze Fenix FTK that I'm certain never actually did anything. Said FTK came back when Norden released.
@@shawnli4746 OCG has had all 3 cards at 3. Nothing's happened. The interaction is very very good but much like Dragon Rulers it's probably just not special anymore. Especially with shit like Telefon loops existing.
Sekka's light is fun in weathery because they place spells/traps from deck/gy and their backrow applies their effects passively so you can still use some of your cards under the restriction.
Storm is banned because popping your own backrow is still good. There may not be a meta relevant deck that wants that right now, but there certainly has been many times, and certainly will be again. Duster is significantly better for the vast majority of decks, but storm is absolutely insane in the few decks that really break it. Duster has no such problem.
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong With 4+ mats, it basically is an unaffected monster that stops you from Normal/Special Summoning, meaning you couldn't out it with a kaiju either Even after Gossip Shadow got banned, its biggest enabler in Phantom Knights, it's still abused via stuff like Numbers Eveil + Sales Ban, Six Samurai, CXyz Barian Hope, etc, they're never really meta relevant, but it's still a frustrating card better left banned
What's funny about that post-credit scene is LL Tiger is unlimited everywhere but the TCG and sees zero play Tear is coming to md soon and Lunalight *might* be the best blend, or possibly second best to spyral tear, at least until the ishizu cards arrive. It's just not enough anymore.
1. I need a gif version of the last montage to replace my Jonathan Frakes "pure fiction" one 2. The next Masochist/Moron Banlist Tournament should not only have MBT's takes of what comes off the list...but also the cards he feels should be on there instead. Custom banlist tournament lets go?
7:50 Did MBT just forget Mirage of Nightmare was a thing? I swear it was still legal when Provisions was put on the list. In fact, the YuGiOh GX Duel Academy game for GBA uses the ban list that has Provisions semi-limited with Mirage at 3
Yeah, most of the takes were pretty bad but i actually agree on 2 of them. Meow clearly wasnt the problem. Especially because verte was the only reason the deck was tier 1. (everyone that actually thinks prankkids were too good because of the prankkids part is a f*cking idiot) Tiger at 1 does literally nothing. Why not bring it back to 3. If its suddenly good (which it wouldnt be), they can always just put it back at 1.
@@Jaddas Meow absolutely needed to be put at 1, but it got put to 0 for the sins of the Adventure engine. Being able to use Dracoback to chain-block your combo starter was the cherry on top of the handtrap protection already provided by Gryphon Rider. Master Duel players are currently experiencing this horror the hard way. The Adventure engine was a mistake, and the latest OCG banlist is a confession of this.
@@alexbrangan2885 Meow to 1 was the wrong hit imo (because i mostly try to make hits that dont kill any deck). I think there were better hits that balance the deck without killing it. Meow to 0 was because of adventure and dpe, but even with the adventure engine prankkids was not good enough to explain such a hard hit. id say even with adventure it wasnt good enough for a hit period. The deck was already not doing very well in that meta and losing dpe was such a huge hit for them. Magicians souls became a lot worse, youd play much worse into handtraps, your biggest powerplay against controlldecks is gone, and so on. Without dpe, brave prankkids was absolutly unable to reach tier 1 status. Not in a format with swordsoul, despia and punk. Not to mention how hard it would lose to spright and tear. I played prankkids a lot. Its still my favorite deck and trust me. It was not a needed hit and evem if it was needed, it was definitly not the correct one.
There are 3 cards that I find hilarious how they hit them way back in the day. -Injection Fairy Lily was not only limited through most of DM, but it was actually one of the first cards to be banned alongside the likes of CED and Yata Garasu, because Konami was just too afraid of people beating over massive boss monsters with a level 3 (Nevermind that exiled force was not banned) -Mage Power was limited for quite a while back in the day too, even when it essentially is a weaker United we Stand that’s somewhat easy to set up (Speaking of United that one was also banned during a single format for some reason) -Drop-Off was hit on the list for just one random format in 2006 out of Konami overcorrecting against hand-rip cards (yet Trap Dustshoot which was way stronger stayed at 3 copies)
Fairy Lily was hit because Konami didn’t want people to effectively normal summon/recruit for a 3k beat stick since it also worked for direct attacks as well It was basically Borrelsword Dragon at the time
Tsukuyomi was the card that got drop off limited. There was a deck abusing mask of darkness that basically prevented your opponent from drawing. It’s the same deck that got time seal banned.
I cant count how many times people have argued that you could unban the entire PePe Line-Up without it affecting the meta at all and all i can think about is how ungodly broken Plushfire is
Breaker The Magical Warrior was banned TWICE (in '07, to 1 for a format, then banned again in '08). All 3 (Green, Red, and Yellow) Gadgets were semi-limited for the Sept. '07 format. Geargiagear spent the entirety of 2015 at 1 when Geargia wouldn't have stood a chance with it at 3 against BA, Shaddolls, Nekroz, and Qli. Phantom of Chaos was semi-limited in Sept. '08. Sacred Sword of Seven Stars spent a year and a half on the banlist in '14-'15.
Breaker deserve that ban during its time because back then it was 1 card that could do the job of 2 cards. It was either a 1900 beat stick or a backrow remover. Sacred swords was put there to try to curb dragon rulers.
I actually lowkey legit agree with the Tiger take Like at 3? Fuck off. But at 1 or 2? Doesn’t seem busted; seems kinda fair compared to something like Adventure, actually
I know that "ban" is more of a short hand to say "hit" in a lot of cases, but I just wanted to clarify that A-assault Core was limited rather than banned when it was hit. Just wanted to put that out there because I could see people not knowing that and thinking it was banned based on how it was described in the video.
Yata Garasu While I personally still advocate for it to go, due to being unsportsmanlike, it never was the problem card by itself. When it got banned it was to stop a stupid lock, where you somehow must get Sangan or Witch of the Dark Forest on the field, without normal summoning them, set up a light and a dark to banish for Chaos Emporer Dragon, hard draw and summon the CED, then use its effect to wipe the field and hand of both players, triggering the float of Sangan or Witch to search Yata, and then normal summon that bird and use its effect to prevent the opponent from drawing. To make it even dumber it got banned on the same list as the problem card CED.
I think the reason United We Stand was hit was because of how it played with Scapegoat. You could summon a monster, equip it with United We Stand and then activate Scapegoat and you have a monster that gets an instant 4000 point attack boost.
It wasn't even Adamancipator that got sekka hit. It was chaos thunder danger piles. Tbh I wish sekka came back. The amount of absolutely broken spells that are out there means you're making huge sacrifices in deck build to use this and you auto lose to dark ruler.
the beginning persona music is based. too busy listening to it instead of watching the video, thanks dire! you really just let Life Will Change pop off. incredibly based.
I also agree that the limiting of Recital Starling was strange. The ban on the Simorgh link? Absolutely understandable, he is a menace (I bought one and legit only had a day before he was banned) But thankfully I only play with my friend, so we both did a gentleman’s agreement that the bank isn’t doesn’t exist (except for VFD and Rhongo, their forever banned)
Having A Hero Lives at 1 and then at 2 before it got unlimited, meanwhile Dragon Link having Quick Launch, a way better AHL, and every other main deck piece such as Tracer at 3 WAS THE STUPIDEST FUCKING THING EVER.
What about a twitter thread on archetypes that just faded from the top of the meta without any direct limits like somewhat recently, invoked and tri-brigade
cannot say how much I agree with the Recital take. The degenerate part about birds was Simorgh + Apex Avian/Barrier Statue. Not the double Recital into UDF
As a Lunalight player, I fully encourage roving Tiger from the banlist. As a reasonable Yu-Gi-Oh player, it being at one is completely valid, and with the metagame these days could possibly go to 2.
Book of Moon was limited to 1 in like, 2011, I think? For reasons I honestly don't even understand, I think it had something to do with Empty Jar FTK? It then proceeded to stay there for like 8 years for zero reason despite Fairy Tail Snow being able to run around impunity, it was really dumb.
NO. It really is just a stupidly strong yugioh card. It's one of those anti fun cards, and honestly would have saw plenty of play at 3 from 2011 to 2020. Hell it was even pretty good for a few formats since it came to 3, i ran it in adams to win the zoo match up for instance after the block ban.
The lumina limit was to stop ridiculous lumina chains with her effect where you'd summon 3 and then idk wild and then you'd still have one or two next turn. Had nothing to do with JD other than being a different way of hurting the deck.
I wanna see how “broken” PePe would be in the modern age given the pendulum nerfs, just do a test run against modern decks with all unbans to their “tier 0 deck” and see how it does
Pretty average, tbh. Monkeyboard is nice, but its downside can be a bit too much, and popping Plushfire is not all that's cracked up to be anymore. Realistically, it would jist serve as a boost to Dracoslayers
Not very good, especially the tcg version Plushfire is crazy but you can't expect one card carry the entire deck, monkeyboard being ashed is also awful since you need to have hard drawn lizardraw or guitartle to pend summon in that case Beyond the pendulun and other links are a nice boost but probably wouldn't be enough, especially in mr5
United was on the list because of Goats, and the reason it was there was so you couldn't get it easily as we didn't really have Equip searchers at the time. SO ya, when everyone is running 3 Scapegoat, United gets a little silly.
United We Stand was a card that I remember being very strong and sought-after near the very beginning of the game's existence. I was never good enough back then to understand why?
the preemptive limit on t.g striker was perhaps the funniest thing because at the time t.g agents would have been just fine. a powerful deck sure, but far from the tier zero super threat people thought it would be.
That's not actually why it was hit! It got hit because at the time the TCG and the OCG were sharing the same banlist, and at the time, the deck was incredibly good IN THE OCG and not the TCG due to format differences. We only separated in the big banlist after Dragon Ruler format. I'm so surprised me bringing that up didn't get in, that banlist was a travesty TCG side.
As someone who played Ritual Beasts to some large tournament success in Nekroz format, I am a believer that Ulti-Cannahawk being limited was a direct response to the simultaneous banning of Evilswarm Exciton Knight, which for many decks was the only card keeping them in the game against Ritual Beasts. Many matchups literally revolved around ensuring Exciton never hit the field, as resolving it would immediately put Ritual Beasts in an incredibly poor position.
On one hand, monster heavy decks get punished so hard these days that I'd love to see ppl opt in to that and play Sekka's Light just to draw 2. On the other hand, watching your opponent play a build with a couple powerful spells just to fairy tail snow them out the GY and use Sekka's Light turn 3 would not feel great
The problem in that scenario is Snow though, and Snow is a card that should stay banned forever since it only gets better over time. Nobody has any idea why they put it to 1
@@antonbrown17 That is fair. And considering how much Konami apparently likes Snow it's a definite thing to consider. In your opinion, for the sake of argument, would Sekka's Light prove problematic if Snow was gone?
@@clayxros576 nah. Even back when it was legal, there was only like 1 deck that could make good use of it and these days, the best decks need field spells, fusion spells, counter traps or at minimum board breaking spells/traps to function in any competitive capacity. At best, a Sekka's Light deck would be a really cool, creative strategy that loses very hard to dark ruler no more. Frankly I'd love to see it
I think the reason why they are okay with DH being unbanned and HS staying banned is because stopping potentially 4 spell/trap effects at once is a bit more difficult. Like say you need to normal summon then DH to start your chain of plays if that monster gets bounced or banished then the combo is stopped and you used up your normal. Whereas setting 4 then HS you still have your normal and 6th card if you went second to use.
Totally random but I need to share this. I wanted to rewatch these but didn’t want to do so I order cause I normally watch them as they’re posted and it felt repetitive to watch the most recent ones/oldest ones in order, so I played the playlist on shuffle. The RANDOM SHUFFLE that happened put this video directly AFTER the one he did about cards that should’ve never been on the list in which he referenced this video! Just a crazy coincidence I needed to share.
The limit of Constellar Ptolemy M7 in September 2013 always confused me. I understand that it was supposed to be a hit to Gishki, but the exact same list also limited Mind Augus. Turns out the limit to M7 was completely unnecessary because they unlimited it the very next format. The reason I remember this is that I was playing a dope-ass Xyz based X-Saber list at the time, and M7 is absolutely hilarious with Faultroll.
Electrumite is such a crazy good enabler for pend decks that between the time that it was banned in the tcg and today, it was never banned in the ocg, and since they have Supreme King Starving Venom Dragon too, this means that they have multiple copies of it, making pendulums so good that they got 0 tiered decks ever since Pend Magicians fell off in the ocg, with only a brief surge of popularity after recent support released, only for it to fell off too almost imediatly, limiting the tops of Pendulum as a whole mechanic to just one very dedicated Endymion player who shows up on pretty much every reports in Road of the King outside of said brief surge of popularity I mentioned. Electrumite is one of safest card to put out of the banlist and onto the limited list, everyone who thinks otherwise needs to realise that it's only banned because the tcg hates pends as much as yugiboomers.
Well tbf pend can't exactly dedicate 10 deck slots to earth insect and still be consistent And having electrumite meant the ocg had less copies of harmonizing and double iris, both were at 1 for a while and with the most recent banlist are at 2, cronograph is also at 1
What makes it worse is that Electrumite fixes a lot of the issues a lot of Pendulum Decks normally have anyways. In Post April Fools Revision, Every mechanic got what they normally had except Pendulums. Ever since Electrumite got banned alongside Supreme King Dragon Starving Venom in the TCG got banned, Pendulums barely topped at all and they blatantly refuse to allow the mechanic to be normal again.
@@sirspookybones1118 Exactly. People fail to realize that Electrumite wouldn't do jack of crap in the modern day simply because there's way too much power creep for it to matter anymore.
I can't even be mad they banned Colossus, that shit is *still* good. But I CAN be mad that they haven't errata'd it so you can't just splash Corridor like a fuckin troglodyte for a one-card one-destruction proof floodgate.
@@Kris_King It’s still legal in the OCG and doesn’t see play there because powercreep, and topped exactly once since Corridor got released (in terms of the corridor abuse deck, not Pure Thunder, as that’s topped multiple times before), I think it’s fine.
Duel Links input. They semi-limited Amazoness Baby Tiger to deal “hit” Amazoness decks. It did functionally nothing and the entire Amazoness community malded about it nonstop until the actual problematic card (Amazoness Onslaught) was finally semi-limited.
Lady debug was rhe first hit I saw while I played that showed that sometimes the banlist exists just to sell cards because this was right after cynet mining came out.
Damn uploaded 9 SECONDS ago never been this early. Edit: After finishing this video on the note of them hitting plants at the onset of Order of Chaos format they also limited T.G Striker and Agent Earth. 2012 Konami REALLY didn't want use to Synchros
I've seen emergency provisions being use to get rid of the mirage of nightmares before the discarding. In that case it's obvious what the problem card is
Dragon Buster of the Destruction Sword got hit for Union Hangar's sins. Union Hangar let you attach a monster FROM YOUR DECK to another monster in the field of the same attribute as an equip card. Union Hangar was suppose to be Union support, but because of its generic searching, it made some of the most degenerate combos in the game. Case in point, Dragon Buster, which, when equipped to a monster, locks your opponent's Extra Deck. It's suppose to only be good in Buster Blader decks since it can only equip itself to Buster Blader, but because of Union Hangar, it got put in everything that had an endboard with a dark, like Borreload Savage Dragon, which was able to protect it.
mmmm have a good point of harpie´s feather duster , hey eldrich you want to destroy the background of the oponent and search you own traps in you turn . but could help to unchained but really somethers are very intersting
RUM Agents Force is another victim of this, all thanks to Number S0: Utopic Zexal. Honestly when the Utopic Zexal/Dark Simorgh lock was brought on by the JP players I thought Dark Simorgh was going to get banned. Now that we are talking about birds, Apex Avian should be the one banned, but instead we have the Link-3 Simorgh in jail for his fault.
Tyrant neptune and supreme king starving venom being banned because of independent nightingale"to avoid restricting future design space" is a funny show of konami wanting their cake and eating it, we want to keep creating broken cards, but heaven forbid an unintended synergy emerge
I wouldn't call Independent Nightingale a broken card by any means though. When made the intended way, it's a 2000-3000 ATK Towers with a burn effect. The effect only becomes broken when you can completely bypass any setup necessary to raise the level, and instead copy the effect with a high level monster.
@@lamiaprincess6371 Here is the problem. Neither of them were good in a vacuum. SKSV was decent, sure, but only if Elec is legal like in MD. It is by all means Independent Nightingale's fault. Outside of this FTK, no one playes Independent Nightingale, not even Lyrilusc players
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 SKSV was pretty clearly broken to be fair: it was also good with Electrumite and Revolution Dragon. Neptune wasn't good by itself with Independent either: it only saw play in Zoodiac lists that could turbo out King of the Feral Imps without using the NS. But the problem is those cards. Effect copiers do in fact make it very difficult to create new cards, because there's always the chance for new cards to become broken with them. Independent is entirely fair by herself. SKSV and Neptune were never going to be fair for long.
I think 2 takes need to be taken into better context: Lightsworn got Necro Gardna hit because of how easy it was to just sideboard in a chaos package and also just be safe from being beat down and Charge was hit because of how generic the card actually was in other decks (basically a strong searcher and fills the grave really well). The second one was for Spore and those plant bans, that was due to synchro support coming in the next set, which busts a lot of the plant tuners to the next level
In Tag Force the funny tarzan man plays Slash Draw FTK. He proceeded to hard activate it against me with 0 setup and hit it. I refuse to live in a world where this can happen again.
all the hits that were not dragon rulers in rulers format, in that we can include, the babies, dragon ravine, super reju, all that could be avoided if they just banned the rulers instead
can't believe I wanted to build Superheavy Samurai as like a funny haha meme deck for duels with friends a while ago, saw Sekka's Light, thought 'damn that's crazy in this deck and only this deck' and bam, it was at 1 for some reason
Man dlash draw was my biggest brain tech in my lightsworn deck, it does everything u want in sworns, and if u fail u get to put single copy power cards or cards u font want in grave back in deck
I'm annoyed no one mentioned her : Servante of Endymion. She was put to one on the same list the guardragon were banned were the only way to play endymion was endymion guardragon, and Endymion with 3 servante still does nothing. A bit annoyed she's not back to 3 yet.
Hey, remember when a card was limited for years because konami didnt know how to word their game correctly, so decided you could have one at all to stop ruling problems, but didnt stop ruling problems till it became a hard once per duel? Twin headed behemoth remembers
you forgot every single card from the decks i play
Toad is a good boy, please Konami, he's a single father. It's all the fault of that Ronin prick.
@@ctusiard9755 Finally someone who has the same opinion as me. Swap Frog isn't the problem child Konami, it's that damn Ronin that doesn't even learn how to spell once per turn.
@@sekaihunter9378 While others learned how to spell once per turn they studied the blade. (not very well apparently with 100 atk and 2000 def, dupe even has the same stat line and apparently graduated from school)
@@goodpeople25 get educated in academics or martial arts
pick your poison
Just play Krawlers, its not like they're going to ban sol & luna
"These cards did not deserved a ban!"
Number 1: Every single Tuner under the sun ever
Naaah, even without Halq, some tuners are too good.
"Alright I fixed the game. First we ban all the Tuner monsters."
@@Dramatic_Gaming no they're not. Nobody played anyyy of them when halq wasn't around yet. Fucking o-lion dude? Come on
I'd say Linkross too. What's it gonna do if Halq gets banned?
@@fn2025 yeah, glow up bulb and destrudo were literally never played before halq
"I'll ban a thousand tuners before I let Halqifibrax die!"
- Konami probably
Have you seen the ban on Auroradon? They'll ban good Link-3 monsters as well now. I wouldn't be surprised if Selene got banned for making it even easier to link climb into Accesscode Talker (or other Link-4 boss monsters) due to the setup by Halq
And I will ban a thousand more!
And I'll reassign anyone _who gets in my way!_
Hey, good news
@@erlanddrow7950 nature is healing
“And this shows why MBT viewers shouldn’t be in charge of card balancing!”
Well, I don’t see what he means, there was only one bad take -
*Dire Post Credit Sequence*
I take it back, we should never be trusted with anything.
there were more, and each one of them was posted like 10 different times.
Eh, some of those were actually correct examples. Meow Meow Mu was absolutely banned for the sins of the Adventure engine and did not need to be banned (but MBT is noted as a huge defender of the Adventure Engine, so that might be why). Verte was banned for the sins of FD, which the OCG originally correctly identified by banning FD (which completely fixed Vertre).
Verte should not come back without an errata. It is too easy to make with trash materials that can bring out a very powerful monster. Because of Verte, Konami would have to put limits to both Fusion Monsters and Fusion spells solely because of Verte. What Verte needs is a stricter summoning requirement before it can come back.
@@DarkKnight179 Verte is the problem card. You wanna know why it's "fixed" in the OCG? Because they banned several cards instead of banning just Verte. Eventually they're gonna make an Albaz fusion that's a negate and suddenly they'll be broken again
@@DarkKnight179 no, verte IS the problem. Both DPE and dragoon are ok if you need to use their fusion spell to summon them (or poly but poly is THE problem of the fusion mechanic), while verte can transform any 2 monster into a fusion monster, searching any fusion spell card ignoring the activation requirements.
(Edit 'cause i forgot) its cost is PAYING LIFE POINTS, there's literally no bad side of that card, even the fact that lock you out from special summoning can be ignored, because you are always doing it when you have finished your combo or when you have been interrupted, not to mention the fact that half of the good fusion spell cards already lock you from special summoning
On the one hand, the amount of tuners that have been banned for Halq’s sins is infamous, and the fact that Deskbot 001 wasn’t one of them is crazy, but I do love being able to summon Halq, Halq effect summon Phantom King Hydride (a 3 star tuner that can be treated as a non-tuner), and on my opponent’s turn sack Halq for Shooting Riser Dragon, and then Riser effect tune it and Hydride for Baronne on my opponent’s turn. Truly stupid fun but Halq 100% should have been banned ages ago.
Shooting riser, don, every main deck tuner, and I bet that T.G card will be as well
I honestly never thought of using Hydride. That is high key pretty funny
Halq should have been banned day 1
@@NightmareEadin Hydride became one of my favorite cards because of dumb Halq combos like this. And because most of the synchro tuners in the game let you synchro summon on your opponent’s turn you can pull off some really silly interruptions.
Imo anywhere from some to most of the tuners that halq has gotten banned deserved a ban or at least a limit anyway like jet synchron its literally just a one card link 2.
I actually agree with samsara lotus over TBD on the grounds that TBD was a decent card in it's own right but not degenerate outside that interaction, whereas lotus is never going to be good outside of exactly that sort of degenerate loop so you lose very little by banning it whereas banning TBD is more likely to have collateral damage
Lotus could also do a extremely inconsistent FTK with Arcana Force 26: The World.
TBD killed 2 cards the other being amyriliths (or however you spell that card).
Lotus has needed an errata for like eight years. If you couldn't loop it it could be at 300 and no one would care
Except tbd got 2 cards banned for it, not happy with that, it's now being looped alongside snow, and while you could argue snow is the problem(she absolutely should go back to 0 don't get me wrong), bomber has shown that it's only ever a good card when you can create these silly loops with it's effect and I think those are not healthy interactions to keep around
@@Verde4755 someone didn't play release orcust
I can’t believe no one mentioned book of taiyou in the first ever tcg exclusive ban list. The problem was cyber jar and then the deck nearly won worlds because they went by the ocg list and that basically ended exclusive banlist ss for years.
Who doesn't love the OG Empty Jar lists with Cyber Jar and Morphing Jar?
A assault core reminded me of something. Back when Drytron was first released with benten at 3, some OCG builds were using union carrier to equip vanitys ruler with b buster drake just to make it immune to dark ruler no more and forbidden droplet. Imagine if buster drake got banned for that here in the tcg kinda like how destruction sword was banned because of union carrier
You can still playing buster a blader deck without destruction sword no problem. ABC is fucking dead without B
When they ban a card that only supports 1 archetype that 3 people play
"Huh, why does mbt sound so disappointed at the end? Almost all if not all of the picks shown were good choices and he seemed to agree"
A few seconds later: "you know, maybe this community is just really stupid actually"
He wants a ban list.
United We Stand and Mage Power (birds of a feather) both spent extensive time on the list because they both enabled surprise OTKs...which in the 2003-2006 era of the game were actually a much bigger deal because of the general power of backrow vs monsters (with very few exceptions). United being actually temporarily forbidden might have been a bit much, but the limited status was definitely warranted for at least some of its time. I actually did extensive theorycrafting with some friends back in 2004-2005, and with those two equips unlimited, it actually makes for a really stupid combo/control strategy involving Mataza, or, barring that, even Hayabusa Knight. Having double-attacking, giant, level 3 monsters in a format where Level Limit Area B and Gravity Bind are legitimately powerful just isn't okay...especially with the other spell/traps in the format (Trunade especially). If you can get the game to be slow with one of your battle control cards and control even just one set monster, Trunade the board, then normal summon Mataza and equip it with one United and one Mage Power, that is enough to hit for 7800 direct...if you just set the board controller you already had, that raises the damage to 8800 direct...but that same scenario with *only* united we stand and two total monsters is 5800 damage...which is going to kill opponents 90% of the time. Just look at how ridiculous Cyber Stein + Cyber Twin was when it was around to get an idea. The GOAT and pre-GOAT formats are a lot more intricate and delicate than people give credit for.
Remeber when they thought banning Dragon Buster Destruction Sword instead of Union Carrier was a good idea? As a Buster Blader player I was so upset..
Nah that guy was spitting about drident and zeus was spitting. Zeus inherently makes any card or archetype that facilitates stacking multiple Xyz materials exponentially more one dimensional, boring, and extraordinarily frustrating to deal with. In a world where we had to content with a 3K quick play banish that nukes your entire field when you deal with it, I'm pretty sure we can handle a quick play pop on a nonexistent body that does nothing when outed. While drident is an inherently dangerous card when it comes to releasing any kind of beast warrior support, Zeus is the true reason no zoo strategy will ever again see the light of day in any capacity.
Drident bore the sins of not only Zeus but also Utopic Draco Future - there was a really easy combo that drident enabled in Zoo/TriBrigade that would allow you to make Draco Future as well the rest of the 1st turn set up - I would love it to be unbanned now but I can understand why they did it at the time.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned brotherhood of the firefist spirit who was limited shortly after the release of brotherhood of the firefist rooster, it was limited on the famous September 2013 list which brought an end to dragon ruler spell book format so it wasn't like firefist had won many events.
Firefist might be the unluckiest archtype of all time.
Blazar comes out, deck is supposed to match up against mermails, but mermails get Abyssteus as an exclusive, pushing them ahead, then Tachyon galaxy murders them, then the ban list on sept 2013, then rulers dominate until primal origin, which they finally are able to be a t2-t3 deck/engine in HAT format until fucking duelist alliance nukes them from orbit.
I'm surprised that no one mentioned the buster destruction sword which got banned for 1 format because of Union Carriers sins.
true, thats why they should ban dagda not scythe
@@TheColdestplay Sanctum and the Beatrice/Fleur combo would still be a thing. Scythe is clearly the problem.
It got mentioned live, but Dire didn't put it in. #commonDireL
@@mdhutch2002 I guess the new Generaider support distracted her from work lol.
@@TheColdestplay Dagda without halq is fine.
Scythe has always been a problem
United We Stand got limited because of gimmick decks that paired it with Scapegoat on a clear board (at a time where Raigeki, Mirror Force and Dark Hole were very good). The deck wasn't great, but I think they were scared of it for some reason.
Well originally you just summon any beater and then scapegoat and stick United on it and have a 4000+ beat stick. Couple with Mage power and your very close to an OTK.
@@waihochow4635 Most commonly I saw was to use Sangan or Witch to tutor out any of the creatures who can attack twice like Hayabusa Knight or Mataza the Zapper.
@@ryanchase9332 Mine encounters were people doing this combo on a spear dragon. 1900+4000 and however many spells/trap cards you have and you can't block for crap.
I'd like to add one personally. On the same banlist where they finally got rid of all of the dragon rulers, they also, for some goddamn reason, banned dragon ravine. So that really annoyed me as a dragunity enthusiast.
Another example of something getting banned, along side the problem card that made it OP would be Yata Garasu.
While it is the monster that was on the banlist the longest, it was always bad, even in its heyday.
The reason it got banned, was because of it was the finisher of the Chaos Emporer-Sangan/Black Forest interaction, an incredibly unreliable, high roll strategy, that only worked because CED wiped everything.
It got banned alongside CED
@@frankwest5388L. Yata could lock you even without CED. If you didn’t have a monster (because, say, all of them got answered) or you didn’t have a trap to out Yata (and remember this format had Duster, Heavy Storm, and all sorts of backrow removal because nothing was banned), one hit from Yata would end you. You don’t have an answer already? Too bad, you lose. Just draw the out next time. Yata was cancer and had to go.
I guess the problem with Heavy Storm is that it can easily clear your own floodgates if you run them, while Harpies only clears the opponents
Yeah clearing your own Skill drain or Mine whenever you feel like it seems a bit unfair
@@antonbrown17 or your pend scales
@@antonbrown17 what I'm hearing is "Ban Mine and unlease the Storm"
Yeah that storm vs feather duster comparison was the only bad take in this
Counter-argument: If you're playing a bunch of floodgates, you've probably already built your deck to play around them anyway.
i love the outtakes at the end. Shows either people trolling or just salty because the deck they main cant auto win anymore. xD
Sekka’s light is a really strange card for Konami to have limited/banned.
It is a draw 2 with a heavy restriction that you can only play copies of it in your deck instead of other spells/traps, but by limiting it the card loses all of its potential benefits and goes from an interesting gimmick card to a self imposed, one sided floodgate.
I think the issue with it is that it's graveyard has no restriction other than a hard OPT eff.
@@williamgonzalez2846 and
T dragon tho?
@@ThatOneWeirdFlex What do you mean?
It’s limited cause they got tired of people playing decks with only monsters and 3 sekka’s light.
"A - Assault Core was newer."
MINOR SPEAKING MISTAKE!!!!
0:39 Actually, the reason they limited A was that Firewall Dragon had plot armor and Shueisha wouldn’t let them ban it.
I was saying exactly that about Ulti Kanhawk for years, limiting it did nothing but make us deathly afraid of Warning/Judgment and make elder+penguine weaker. the loop was still fine, and the deck still stomped shaddoll (the real meta deck it countered, its nekroz game wasn't quite as clean) right up until Kozmo came out and everyone started siding Iron wall
Divine Wind of Mist Valley got limited to 1 in Jan 2014 and is still on the list for the crime of being part of a Blaze Fenix FTK that I'm certain never actually did anything. Said FTK came back when Norden released.
It's still at 1 because of Birdman and Harpie Dancer. None Of Them Are Hard Once Per Turn.
@@shawnli4746 OCG has had all 3 cards at 3. Nothing's happened. The interaction is very very good but much like Dragon Rulers it's probably just not special anymore. Especially with shit like Telefon loops existing.
Sekka's light is fun in weathery because they place spells/traps from deck/gy and their backrow applies their effects passively so you can still use some of your cards under the restriction.
Storm is banned because popping your own backrow is still good. There may not be a meta relevant deck that wants that right now, but there certainly has been many times, and certainly will be again.
Duster is significantly better for the vast majority of decks, but storm is absolutely insane in the few decks that really break it. Duster has no such problem.
Dracoslayer looks promising and Ignis Phoenix is literally a Plushfire
Tearlaments: It's free real estate
Imagine unironically defending stuff like VFD and Rhongo.
There was one person who defended Knightmare Goblin.
That had to be an ironic reply.
VFD at 1 its fine tho
@@samragext507 VFD at anything other than 0 is aids
could you tell me what the issue with Rhongomyniad is? I genuinely don't understand it seems like kindof a shit card.
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong With 4+ mats, it basically is an unaffected monster that stops you from Normal/Special Summoning, meaning you couldn't out it with a kaiju either
Even after Gossip Shadow got banned, its biggest enabler in Phantom Knights, it's still abused via stuff like Numbers Eveil + Sales Ban, Six Samurai, CXyz Barian Hope, etc, they're never really meta relevant, but it's still a frustrating card better left banned
What's funny about that post-credit scene is LL Tiger is unlimited everywhere but the TCG and sees zero play
Tear is coming to md soon and Lunalight *might* be the best blend, or possibly second best to spyral tear, at least until the ishizu cards arrive.
It's just not enough anymore.
1. I need a gif version of the last montage to replace my Jonathan Frakes "pure fiction" one
2. The next Masochist/Moron Banlist Tournament should not only have MBT's takes of what comes off the list...but also the cards he feels should be on there instead. Custom banlist tournament lets go?
For such an L take machine, Dire really is a goated editor
He's mid
@@davidaugustine399 Cmon man he’s a nice guy.
She really is great
@@davidaugustine399 She*
@@tambutt9822 he
FYI you can't bring bulb back even if halq goes to 0. If you hit it off ishizu tear it's a free nat beast.
Imagine you use bulb and mill a tear name or a earth fairy. 😩
7:50 Did MBT just forget Mirage of Nightmare was a thing? I swear it was still legal when Provisions was put on the list. In fact, the YuGiOh GX Duel Academy game for GBA uses the ban list that has Provisions semi-limited with Mirage at 3
Limiting Provisions instead of banning Mirage is beyond stupid, that's the point of the video
@@aldermeadfox4737 Yes, I know, but no thanks to this vid. MBT never brought up Mirage of Nightmare, he instead mentioned Goblin Housekeeping.
I feel so bad for ABC players. Those guys lost so much for the sins of other decks
Don't feel too bad. ABC was very willing to do degenerate shit at the time. Fucking Dragon Ravine ABC, what an experience.
At least now they can team up with Crystal Beasts to get easier acces to the field spell in the CBABC or "kebab" build.
RIP Union Carrier
That outro was perfection. Compilation of the smartest MBT viewers
Yeah, most of the takes were pretty bad but i actually agree on 2 of them.
Meow clearly wasnt the problem. Especially because verte was the only reason the deck was tier 1. (everyone that actually thinks prankkids were too good because of the prankkids part is a f*cking idiot)
Tiger at 1 does literally nothing. Why not bring it back to 3. If its suddenly good (which it wouldnt be), they can always just put it back at 1.
@@Jaddas Meow absolutely needed to be put at 1, but it got put to 0 for the sins of the Adventure engine. Being able to use Dracoback to chain-block your combo starter was the cherry on top of the handtrap protection already provided by Gryphon Rider. Master Duel players are currently experiencing this horror the hard way.
The Adventure engine was a mistake, and the latest OCG banlist is a confession of this.
@@alexbrangan2885 Meow to 1 was the wrong hit imo (because i mostly try to make hits that dont kill any deck). I think there were better hits that balance the deck without killing it.
Meow to 0 was because of adventure and dpe, but even with the adventure engine prankkids was not good enough to explain such a hard hit. id say even with adventure it wasnt good enough for a hit period.
The deck was already not doing very well in that meta and losing dpe was such a huge hit for them.
Magicians souls became a lot worse, youd play much worse into handtraps, your biggest powerplay against controlldecks is gone, and so on.
Without dpe, brave prankkids was absolutly unable to reach tier 1 status. Not in a format with swordsoul, despia and punk. Not to mention how hard it would lose to spright and tear.
I played prankkids a lot. Its still my favorite deck and trust me. It was not a needed hit and evem if it was needed, it was definitly not the correct one.
There are 3 cards that I find hilarious how they hit them way back in the day.
-Injection Fairy Lily was not only limited through most of DM, but it was actually one of the first cards to be banned alongside the likes of CED and Yata Garasu, because Konami was just too afraid of people beating over massive boss monsters with a level 3 (Nevermind that exiled force was not banned)
-Mage Power was limited for quite a while back in the day too, even when it essentially is a weaker United we Stand that’s somewhat easy to set up (Speaking of United that one was also banned during a single format for some reason)
-Drop-Off was hit on the list for just one random format in 2006 out of Konami overcorrecting against hand-rip cards (yet Trap Dustshoot which was way stronger stayed at 3 copies)
Fairy Lily was hit because Konami didn’t want people to effectively normal summon/recruit for a 3k beat stick since it also worked for direct attacks as well
It was basically Borrelsword Dragon at the time
Tsukuyomi was the card that got drop off limited. There was a deck abusing mask of darkness that basically prevented your opponent from drawing. It’s the same deck that got time seal banned.
I cant count how many times people have argued that you could unban the entire PePe Line-Up without it affecting the meta at all and all i can think about is how ungodly broken Plushfire is
"That's actually too many hoops"
I think Konami has a fear of hoops. If you are gonna win the game for free, they want you to do it NOW.
God, the ending "à la Jonathan Frakes" was the cherry on the top. Congrats for the video! (Also, F for the Common Dire L's)
Breaker The Magical Warrior was banned TWICE (in '07, to 1 for a format, then banned again in '08). All 3 (Green, Red, and Yellow) Gadgets were semi-limited for the Sept. '07 format. Geargiagear spent the entirety of 2015 at 1 when Geargia wouldn't have stood a chance with it at 3 against BA, Shaddolls, Nekroz, and Qli. Phantom of Chaos was semi-limited in Sept. '08. Sacred Sword of Seven Stars spent a year and a half on the banlist in '14-'15.
Breaker deserve that ban during its time because back then it was 1 card that could do the job of 2 cards. It was either a 1900 beat stick or a backrow remover.
Sacred swords was put there to try to curb dragon rulers.
There needs to be a sequel that's "Why aren't these cards banned in Master Duel?"
I actually lowkey legit agree with the Tiger take
Like at 3? Fuck off. But at 1 or 2? Doesn’t seem busted; seems kinda fair compared to something like Adventure, actually
That still means it should have been put on th limited list. This wasn't just about full bans
I know that "ban" is more of a short hand to say "hit" in a lot of cases, but I just wanted to clarify that A-assault Core was limited rather than banned when it was hit. Just wanted to put that out there because I could see people not knowing that and thinking it was banned based on how it was described in the video.
Yata Garasu
While I personally still advocate for it to go, due to being unsportsmanlike, it never was the problem card by itself.
When it got banned it was to stop a stupid lock, where you somehow must get Sangan or Witch of the Dark Forest on the field, without normal summoning them, set up a light and a dark to banish for Chaos Emporer Dragon, hard draw and summon the CED, then use its effect to wipe the field and hand of both players, triggering the float of Sangan or Witch to search Yata, and then normal summon that bird and use its effect to prevent the opponent from drawing.
To make it even dumber it got banned on the same list as the problem card CED.
I think the reason United We Stand was hit was because of how it played with Scapegoat. You could summon a monster, equip it with United We Stand and then activate Scapegoat and you have a monster that gets an instant 4000 point attack boost.
Assault Core wasn’t newer, but it certainly didn’t have plot armor
at this point "I learn a lot today here" will be as iconic as "However..."
It wasn't even Adamancipator that got sekka hit.
It was chaos thunder danger piles. Tbh I wish sekka came back. The amount of absolutely broken spells that are out there means you're making huge sacrifices in deck build to use this and you auto lose to dark ruler.
the beginning persona music is based. too busy listening to it instead of watching the video, thanks dire!
you really just let Life Will Change pop off. incredibly based.
I also agree that the limiting of Recital Starling was strange. The ban on the Simorgh link? Absolutely understandable, he is a menace (I bought one and legit only had a day before he was banned)
But thankfully I only play with my friend, so we both did a gentleman’s agreement that the bank isn’t doesn’t exist (except for VFD and Rhongo, their forever banned)
Having A Hero Lives at 1 and then at 2 before it got unlimited, meanwhile Dragon Link having Quick Launch, a way better AHL, and every other main deck piece such as Tracer at 3 WAS THE STUPIDEST FUCKING THING EVER.
What about a twitter thread on archetypes that just faded from the top of the meta without any direct limits like somewhat recently, invoked and tri-brigade
cannot say how much I agree with the Recital take.
The degenerate part about birds was Simorgh + Apex Avian/Barrier Statue. Not the double Recital into UDF
As a Lunalight player, I fully encourage roving Tiger from the banlist.
As a reasonable Yu-Gi-Oh player, it being at one is completely valid, and with the metagame these days could possibly go to 2.
Book of Moon was limited to 1 in like, 2011, I think? For reasons I honestly don't even understand, I think it had something to do with Empty Jar FTK? It then proceeded to stay there for like 8 years for zero reason despite Fairy Tail Snow being able to run around impunity, it was really dumb.
NO. It really is just a stupidly strong yugioh card. It's one of those anti fun cards, and honestly would have saw plenty of play at 3 from 2011 to 2020. Hell it was even pretty good for a few formats since it came to 3, i ran it in adams to win the zoo match up for instance after the block ban.
The lumina limit was to stop ridiculous lumina chains with her effect where you'd summon 3 and then idk wild and then you'd still have one or two next turn. Had nothing to do with JD other than being a different way of hurting the deck.
I wanna see how “broken” PePe would be in the modern age given the pendulum nerfs, just do a test run against modern decks with all unbans to their “tier 0 deck” and see how it does
Pretty average, tbh. Monkeyboard is nice, but its downside can be a bit too much, and popping Plushfire is not all that's cracked up to be anymore. Realistically, it would jist serve as a boost to Dracoslayers
Not very good, especially the tcg version
Plushfire is crazy but you can't expect one card carry the entire deck, monkeyboard being ashed is also awful since you need to have hard drawn lizardraw or guitartle to pend summon in that case
Beyond the pendulun and other links are a nice boost but probably wouldn't be enough, especially in mr5
@@andrejv.2834 You can also use Wisdom-Eye to scale Celestial
pepe relied on shockmaster lmao, the pendulum hate is unfounded and propaganda
@@NeostormXLMAX Yeah the deck that was so broken it was a tier 0 deck for 2 weeks with Shock Master banned on the TCG was reliant on Shock Master.
Me waiting for the day a tweet I made finally made it to a MBT twitter thread video:
*It's been 3000 years*
United was on the list because of Goats, and the reason it was there was so you couldn't get it easily as we didn't really have Equip searchers at the time. SO ya, when everyone is running 3 Scapegoat, United gets a little silly.
United We Stand was a card that I remember being very strong and sought-after near the very beginning of the game's existence. I was never good enough back then to understand why?
I was like damn MBT was being harsh at the end with the no rights but then you played the mini comp and i was blown away
the preemptive limit on t.g striker was perhaps the funniest thing because at the time t.g agents would have been just fine. a powerful deck sure, but far from the tier zero super threat people thought it would be.
That's not actually why it was hit! It got hit because at the time the TCG and the OCG were sharing the same banlist, and at the time, the deck was incredibly good IN THE OCG and not the TCG due to format differences.
We only separated in the big banlist after Dragon Ruler format. I'm so surprised me bringing that up didn't get in, that banlist was a travesty TCG side.
@@lamiaprincess6371 you're right! It's been so long that we've not had a shared lists that I forgot that was a thing!
"RESS-it-al Starling"
Joseph, aren't you a theater kid? Do you not know what a recital is?
"Ree SIGH tahl," bud.
As someone who played Ritual Beasts to some large tournament success in Nekroz format, I am a believer that Ulti-Cannahawk being limited was a direct response to the simultaneous banning of Evilswarm Exciton Knight, which for many decks was the only card keeping them in the game against Ritual Beasts. Many matchups literally revolved around ensuring Exciton never hit the field, as resolving it would immediately put Ritual Beasts in an incredibly poor position.
On one hand, monster heavy decks get punished so hard these days that I'd love to see ppl opt in to that and play Sekka's Light just to draw 2. On the other hand, watching your opponent play a build with a couple powerful spells just to fairy tail snow them out the GY and use Sekka's Light turn 3 would not feel great
The problem in that scenario is Snow though, and Snow is a card that should stay banned forever since it only gets better over time. Nobody has any idea why they put it to 1
@@clayxros576 oh, of course. I'm just bringing up unintended synergies in case Sekka's Light we're to come back
@@antonbrown17
That is fair. And considering how much Konami apparently likes Snow it's a definite thing to consider.
In your opinion, for the sake of argument, would Sekka's Light prove problematic if Snow was gone?
@@clayxros576 nah. Even back when it was legal, there was only like 1 deck that could make good use of it and these days, the best decks need field spells, fusion spells, counter traps or at minimum board breaking spells/traps to function in any competitive capacity. At best, a Sekka's Light deck would be a really cool, creative strategy that loses very hard to dark ruler no more. Frankly I'd love to see it
@@antonbrown17
Would the number of spell/traps that banish themselves for effects sidestep that perhaps? Or am I overthinking it and they're too slow?
I think the reason why they are okay with DH being unbanned and HS staying banned is because stopping potentially 4 spell/trap effects at once is a bit more difficult. Like say you need to normal summon then DH to start your chain of plays if that monster gets bounced or banished then the combo is stopped and you used up your normal. Whereas setting 4 then HS you still have your normal and 6th card if you went second to use.
Totally random but I need to share this. I wanted to rewatch these but didn’t want to do so I order cause I normally watch them as they’re posted and it felt repetitive to watch the most recent ones/oldest ones in order, so I played the playlist on shuffle.
The RANDOM SHUFFLE that happened put this video directly AFTER the one he did about cards that should’ve never been on the list in which he referenced this video! Just a crazy coincidence I needed to share.
Tuners: Are we a joke to you?
Halq: hehehe
The limit of Constellar Ptolemy M7 in September 2013 always confused me. I understand that it was supposed to be a hit to Gishki, but the exact same list also limited Mind Augus. Turns out the limit to M7 was completely unnecessary because they unlimited it the very next format.
The reason I remember this is that I was playing a dope-ass Xyz based X-Saber list at the time, and M7 is absolutely hilarious with Faultroll.
6:33 Seeing this after Joseph used this nightmarishly consistent FTK on History of YGO is honestly really funny, in hindsight.
Electrumite is such a crazy good enabler for pend decks that between the time that it was banned in the tcg and today, it was never banned in the ocg, and since they have Supreme King Starving Venom Dragon too, this means that they have multiple copies of it, making pendulums so good that they got 0 tiered decks ever since Pend Magicians fell off in the ocg, with only a brief surge of popularity after recent support released, only for it to fell off too almost imediatly, limiting the tops of Pendulum as a whole mechanic to just one very dedicated Endymion player who shows up on pretty much every reports in Road of the King outside of said brief surge of popularity I mentioned.
Electrumite is one of safest card to put out of the banlist and onto the limited list, everyone who thinks otherwise needs to realise that it's only banned because the tcg hates pends as much as yugiboomers.
Well tbf pend can't exactly dedicate 10 deck slots to earth insect and still be consistent
And having electrumite meant the ocg had less copies of harmonizing and double iris, both were at 1 for a while and with the most recent banlist are at 2, cronograph is also at 1
What makes it worse is that Electrumite fixes a lot of the issues a lot of Pendulum Decks normally have anyways. In Post April Fools Revision, Every mechanic got what they normally had except Pendulums. Ever since Electrumite got banned alongside Supreme King Dragon Starving Venom in the TCG got banned, Pendulums barely topped at all and they blatantly refuse to allow the mechanic to be normal again.
I've recently thought, after playing Endymion in MD, that Electrumite can be at 1 and see very little meta relevance. Also servant of endymion to 3.
@@sirspookybones1118 Exactly. People fail to realize that Electrumite wouldn't do jack of crap in the modern day simply because there's way too much power creep for it to matter anymore.
@@TheRoseReaper if halq is allowed then so should Electrumite
I can't even be mad they banned Colossus, that shit is *still* good. But I CAN be mad that they haven't errata'd it so you can't just splash Corridor like a fuckin troglodyte for a one-card one-destruction proof floodgate.
Imagine Konami actually putting in effort for a card that has a fanbase behind it. Yea unless its a DM card, no change.
@@Kris_King It’s still legal in the OCG and doesn’t see play there because powercreep, and topped exactly once since Corridor got released (in terms of the corridor abuse deck, not Pure Thunder, as that’s topped multiple times before), I think it’s fine.
This didn't age well
Duel Links input. They semi-limited Amazoness Baby Tiger to deal “hit” Amazoness decks. It did functionally nothing and the entire Amazoness community malded about it nonstop until the actual problematic card (Amazoness Onslaught) was finally semi-limited.
How did we go this whole video and forget Vampire Lord?
Lady debug was rhe first hit I saw while I played that showed that sometimes the banlist exists just to sell cards because this was right after cynet mining came out.
Finally made it into a twitter thread video. And all it took was crimes against plant synchro and spore in particular.
Damn uploaded 9 SECONDS ago never been this early.
Edit: After finishing this video on the note of them hitting plants at the onset of Order of Chaos format they also limited T.G Striker and Agent Earth. 2012 Konami REALLY didn't want use to Synchros
I've seen emergency provisions being use to get rid of the mirage of nightmares before the discarding. In that case it's obvious what the problem card is
Man I miss running Sekka's Light in Superheavy Samurai. It could 100% come back to three and it would do nothing
Dragon Buster of the Destruction Sword got hit for Union Hangar's sins. Union Hangar let you attach a monster FROM YOUR DECK to another monster in the field of the same attribute as an equip card. Union Hangar was suppose to be Union support, but because of its generic searching, it made some of the most degenerate combos in the game. Case in point, Dragon Buster, which, when equipped to a monster, locks your opponent's Extra Deck. It's suppose to only be good in Buster Blader decks since it can only equip itself to Buster Blader, but because of Union Hangar, it got put in everything that had an endboard with a dark, like Borreload Savage Dragon, which was able to protect it.
I think you mean union carrier but yeah, destruction sword shouldn't have been hit
@@tripleaaabattery8480 Yes, Carrier :p
mmmm have a good point of harpie´s feather duster , hey eldrich you want to destroy the background of the oponent and search you own traps in you turn .
but could help to unchained
but really somethers are very intersting
Genex Ally Birdman and the Mist Valley field spell
Riryoku was on the list in a fairly early format in the OCG, not because it did anything, but because they were afraid of what it *might* do
this thread showed me how unhinged some people are with what they thought shouldn't have been banned (watch the vod if you haven't)
RUM Agents Force is another victim of this, all thanks to Number S0: Utopic Zexal.
Honestly when the Utopic Zexal/Dark Simorgh lock was brought on by the JP players I thought Dark Simorgh was going to get banned.
Now that we are talking about birds, Apex Avian should be the one banned, but instead we have the Link-3 Simorgh in jail for his fault.
It wasn't Apex Avian that got Bird of Sovereignty banned. It was Barrier Statue of the Stormwinds
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 Yeah, you are right, Apex still a bitch tho
the stellarknight Rang 4 was also used for the Rang 5 prize card but not everyone had one haha
Life will change is such a boppin song
Tyrant neptune and supreme king starving venom being banned because of independent nightingale"to avoid restricting future design space" is a funny show of konami wanting their cake and eating it, we want to keep creating broken cards, but heaven forbid an unintended synergy emerge
I wouldn't call Independent Nightingale a broken card by any means though. When made the intended way, it's a 2000-3000 ATK Towers with a burn effect. The effect only becomes broken when you can completely bypass any setup necessary to raise the level, and instead copy the effect with a high level monster.
Nah those bans were correct. Effect copiers really suck for the health of a game.
@@lamiaprincess6371 Here is the problem. Neither of them were good in a vacuum. SKSV was decent, sure, but only if Elec is legal like in MD. It is by all means Independent Nightingale's fault. Outside of this FTK, no one playes Independent Nightingale, not even Lyrilusc players
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 SKSV was pretty clearly broken to be fair: it was also good with Electrumite and Revolution Dragon.
Neptune wasn't good by itself with Independent either: it only saw play in Zoodiac lists that could turbo out King of the Feral Imps without using the NS.
But the problem is those cards. Effect copiers do in fact make it very difficult to create new cards, because there's always the chance for new cards to become broken with them.
Independent is entirely fair by herself. SKSV and Neptune were never going to be fair for long.
@@lamiaprincess6371 The former isn't really a broken interaction, and the second is honestly not worth using as a wincon
Basically what happened to HERO players in Master Duel with the Celestial ban
I think 2 takes need to be taken into better context: Lightsworn got Necro Gardna hit because of how easy it was to just sideboard in a chaos package and also just be safe from being beat down and Charge was hit because of how generic the card actually was in other decks (basically a strong searcher and fills the grave really well). The second one was for Spore and those plant bans, that was due to synchro support coming in the next set, which busts a lot of the plant tuners to the next level
I personally think Assault Core's banning also had to do with the Union Hangar/Union Carrier Shenanigans
In Tag Force the funny tarzan man plays Slash Draw FTK. He proceeded to hard activate it against me with 0 setup and hit it. I refuse to live in a world where this can happen again.
primal seed and lysyosagem were the two best sections that are not in the final edit
all the hits that were not dragon rulers in rulers format, in that we can include, the babies, dragon ravine, super reju, all that could be avoided if they just banned the rulers instead
how is the zoo take an L? zeus is obviously the problem card
can't believe I wanted to build Superheavy Samurai as like a funny haha meme deck for duels with friends a while ago, saw Sekka's Light, thought 'damn that's crazy in this deck and only this deck' and bam, it was at 1 for some reason
It would be a poor decision anyway. Sekka's Light shuts off the effect of Soulpeacemaker and other SHS Soul monsters
Man dlash draw was my biggest brain tech in my lightsworn deck, it does everything u want in sworns, and if u fail u get to put single copy power cards or cards u font want in grave back in deck
I'm annoyed no one mentioned her : Servante of Endymion. She was put to one on the same list the guardragon were banned were the only way to play endymion was endymion guardragon, and Endymion with 3 servante still does nothing. A bit annoyed she's not back to 3 yet.
Correction. Servant of Endymion was hit on the same banlist as the one that killed all TOSS format decks and banned Electrumite
7:16 did MBT forget his own banlist tournament? VW needs this card
"A-Assault Core was newer"
Oh yeah, INOV format. The best mr4 format of 2016
Hey, remember when a card was limited for years because konami didnt know how to word their game correctly, so decided you could have one at all to stop ruling problems, but didnt stop ruling problems till it became a hard once per duel? Twin headed behemoth remembers