How To Get Rid of Rust, Restoring the Honda Trail 90 Sitting 37 years, pt3,
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- in this chapter of the honda trail 90 l picked up last year, we get to fix up the gas tank with evaporust and boil the chain in oil to clean it, plus getting the rest of the bike into shape,
You're not going to hurt anything by leaving the Evaporust in there for a day or two. It's near pH neutral (think it's very slightly acidic), but the active reactant is a chelate that is strong enough to bond to iron oxide (rust) but not iron. I throw parts into my pail, forget about em for a month, and come back to a rust free part.
On removal--definitely don't rinse with water right away! Learned that the hard way. It'll flash rust immediately, and you're filling it back up with Evaporust. Instead, I use whatever solvent I got sitting around. My CL350 tank I recently did I used a couple cups of acetone and swished it thru several times to try to remove all the acetone and gunk that came off the walls.
Love your videos Mustie. I watched the CB350 restoration series several times. You inspired me to start shooting my own garage and instructional videos. I don't quite have your zen and patience yet, but I often think "What Would Mustie Do?" when I'm having myself a meltdown!
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When Mustie says something is too rusty, you know it's too rusty.
I swear by Evaporust, stuff is like magic. Glad to see its in your arsenal of tools now.
Hi Mustie, I'm glad that tank worked out well for you. You did good work saving that tank. I'm glad to see it go to good use. Cheers, David
Nice save man Props
I appreciate folks like you that contribute to the channel. I am unfortunately not able to provide financial support.
Very generous gift, Sir.
Them Canadians are nice and generous people.
David is a good man!
The Florida pool pump motor repair guy approved ! that was good info
Learned a lot from this one, especially the evaporust and the hot oil treatment. Love the UA-cam community. I am completely jealous of how those old VW trucks can convert from flatbed to pickup bed with those gates on the side. Pretty sure a VW - Chevy mashup would get me stoned by the villagers, though, so I'll just make do with my stupid pickup bed. ;)
"Doesn't exactly smell like french fries..." Haha! Classic! Nice work on the resurrection of this CT90!
I met the owner/inventor of EvapoRust once, on a long plane ride. Super cool guy (we had some drinks) and the products are amazing. I had never heard of EvapoRust before we met and I bought a gallon to try out. Makes life so much easier!
What makes Mustie's video's stand out for me is that I feel like I'm there in the workshop with him (and sometimes find myself answering him, duh). I also like how he's so engrossed in what he's doing that he tails off mid-sentence (something I've been told I'm guilty of). Keep em coming. I just wish you yanks would get with the program and convert to the metric system. 😉
The best thing I ever used for a rusty tank was The Must For Rust. I put it in the tank with a handful of bolts and kept shaking it around every few minutes. It came out clean with a grey finish inside. That was over ten years ago, and I’m still using that tank today and it’s still rust free...
a mustie video on a rainy day. there really isn't anything better. This channel makes you feel like you're just hangin out in the shop. Awesome work mustie and keep up the hard work :)
Mustie here is hoping your better half doesn't find out you have a stripper in your new shop ; )
Shhh don't tell her
does she know where the new shoppe is?????????????
No and let's keep it that way lol
@@ty5396 Are we busted ? ; )
I've had the best luck leaving stuff soaking in Evaporust overnight, sometimes a full day. That's when it really works its magic. It does not harm paint or metal, only rust, so you could theoretically leave it in indefinitely and it wont hurt anything. I've even thrown rusty coil windings/stator plates from mopeds in evaporust and it doesnt hurt them. The key though is to get it degreased first and all the loose stuff off, for gas tanks i usually throw a handful of 1 inch drywall screws inside and shake it up for at least a few minutes with a little degreaser and rinse with water a few times before using evaporust
I like the way 805ROADKING does it with a bunch of the old style squire nuts in the tank, tapes it shut then tapes it to the rear wheel on his riding mower and mows the lawn! By the time he is done all the loose stuff just pours out with the nuts, ready for the next step!
I had real good luck cutting the Evaporust with 3 parts water and then submerging my tank completely to avoid air bubbles/etc. I let it sit in a tub for two weeks, turning occasionally. Came out mint, paint untouched.
The other trick for smaller stuff, put the Evaporust in an ultrasonic cleaner, works disturbingly fast that way.
>^. .^< In 1963 or 4 my first motorized 2 wheels was a Fire Engine red Honda trail 55 from Krous Honda in Emmaus Pa. It was delivered at the bottom of our 1,000 foot long driveway in a moderate spring snow storm. Luckily there was a small flat spot at the top of the driveway by the house. I can easily recall putting 5 miles on it that afternoon and night in the snow before I called it quits late that night. I also recall top speed with the large rear trail sprocket on was only 25, but a perfect speed for this trail bike in the tree filed woods of the Pocono Mtns. of N. E. Pennsylvania.....
Evapo-rust is an awesome product , it's the best I've ever seen that completely removes the rust, works better it you can let things soak overnight. It doesn't work well in the cold though, I put some in a metal pan and put on my heater just got enough to make it steam not boil.
It's not that you talk to yourself, it's not that you argue with yourself, it's when you argue with yourself and lose :)
Boiling chain smells, ah that brings back memories. My father had a tub of oil/wax. It was solid at room temperature. The chain would be laid on the top, and into the oven it went.
BTW, top tip, use a coat-hanger through the link hole on the open end... Makes for easier handling and hanging.
My step dad caught our double wide on fire boiling a chain indoors and it ignited and he spilled burning oil all over trying to throw it out of the house dumb ass
In the late 70s
This is my favorite cooking channel.
Others have mentioned it, but I'll put in my two cents: You can leave the Evapo-Rust in that tank far longer. Not going to hurt anything other than the rust.
If you can provide a source of warmth to it, it works quicker too. I've thought about setting up a vat with an aquarium heater, but never really needed to.
All those saying it's just an expensive diluted acid, it's not. It uses a process called chelation to remove the rust. If you look that up, best I can describe it, it's basically forming ionic bonds with the rust to remove it from the steel.
Best part about this stuff is in the end, it typically doesn't harm paint (unless the paint was lousy to being with), you don't need to neutralize it to stop it from eating away the good metal like you would with an acid, or caustic de-rusting agent, and you don't need a hazmat team to dispose of it once it's spent.
Hey Mustie, think about this, a 1957 vw bug going up Pikes Peak, equals Evap-o rust, a 911 Porsche Carrera going up Pikes Peak, equals De-Oxy-Does-It. Got it. good dog.
Finished a orange 1974 CT 90 and sent it on its way a few years ago.
Evaporust is great stuff, just slow. Takes days not hours.
Thanks for the vid man!
Little tip for top of gas tank where you screw the cap on you soak a rag in evaporust and set the rag on there and it will knock the rust away for the most part
I always use marvel mystery oil in a tank after evaporusting. A cup or two rolled all around prevents flash rust plus its good for the engine:)
Thanks, it's 5:00 am here. Wife woke up and said, "Take that thing outside." I need a new shop away from the house too.
Two videos in one week? Somebody pinch me, I must be dreaming!
Get it while it's hot,...
Fresh fried chain!
That was a great idea though seriously!👍
I was a Sous Chef for years and have plenty of M/C parts experience if you need a prep guy , " just sayin "........bike is lookin' good , oh and 18:21 😁....are you sure the rain gutter isn't Factory ???....MOPAR 👍
Great minds think alike Musti. AWesome heating track repair by your buddy👌😁 The shop is outstanding. GOD BLESS😇
There is a emulsifier used in boat gas tanks. You pour it in and roll it around, then pour off the excess. It coats the insides of a rusty tank
and if you don't properly remove and then treat the rust (convert with phosphoric acid changing the iron oxide to iron phosphate, same chemical in naval jelly)
the rust will come back and flake off with chunks of the rubberized sealant you coated it with. rust will normally just turn to powder and turn your fuel filter orange, NOW its in chunks of rubber and will clog everything. ASK ME HOW I KNOW.... hahaha
Great video Sir. I hope the lawn mower at the end was free and that there is footage of you putting it in the back seat of the convertible🙂
I prefer my chain medium rare with a side of fresh garden sprockets.....Yum!
Today I learned again something new from Mustie 🙂
Baked chain is much healthier, with a crust made of torched bolt chunks.
I have used Evapo-Rust for a number of bench hand plane restorations with very good results. It does not attack paint or plating. I have left parts in the solution overnight without a problem. I recall a post on some forum where a person forgot about something in the solution for weeks and found such long exposure caused the metal to eventually be eaten away.
Parts need to be completely submerged or they will get a "tide" mark where the solution ends which can be very difficult to remove.
Oil and dirt will prevent the solution from getting to the metal, so it is important to remove as much of the surface crud as possible.
The solution can be reused. I do not know for how many times or how many hours.
Dave.
Yes that's true about the stronger carburetor baths. I have left the disassembled carb in the bath overnight or too long and had it ruin the carb.
Mustie cooking up a BBQ! Maybe a viewer has a 3D printer out there and can make a new cover for the handlebar switch? Can you put a bladder in those tanks? Lucky you moved into such a nice big workshop, nature hates a void!
Rust never sleeps!
Always perfect timing,coffee just finished brewing. Thanks for the great content as always
had mu big breakfast this morn and watched thisend to end
Thanks Mustie1 for yet another GREAT video. Really appreciate you sharing.
oh man i wore my headphones for the wrong video haha. When you were scraping the chain around my arm hair stood up and it reminded me of nails on a chalkboard haha. Great video as always keep up the good work!
Who was covering their eyes when he had the chain on the wire wheel? 😬
Hand Tool Rescue uses Evaporust specifically. Looks like you need a 55gal drum now :-)
When I first saw Justie1 truck on 5150 channel i commented on the “awesome” side scoops but he didn’t bite lol👍 I got to admit the paint trays are pretty brilliant! Hey the rain gutter! Now THERES an idea I can run with! 😂👍
In the uk I used Putoline chain wax that was in a round tin that you put your chain into and heat it up! Worked awesome on my gpz900r chain back in the 90s!
I used about 2000 BBs in the tank with vinegar to knock that rust out... worked well.
Could you put in some sort of grit, mount the tank, run it off another tank - and take it out on some rough roads/trails? Might as well have some fun shakin' it around!
@@8056443232 there is a tube vid somewhere who does tractor gas tanks by bungee strapping them inside a wheel and letting the tractor run on a stand spinning the wheels.
805roadking does the tractor thing, probably the fella you were thinking of... :)
twocvbloke He does a lot of restoration work on old Briggs and Stratton engines, and he’s a perfectionist! His work is top-notch.
When they become swiss cheese, its best to use a gas tank sealer. I got mine from a motorcycle repair shop. Its not cheap but works 100%. I used to restore vintage snowmobiles. The gas tanks are metal and form fit to the rear of the snowmobile.
When its a vintage item worth over a grand restored, its worth the investment. I always stripped everything down and sealed everything before repainting. epoxy paint seemed to work best on exterior parts. A gas tank is different. That requires a special two part sealer.
Great as always ! Ive been using a 12v diesel transfer pump I got from garage sale hooked to cheapest fuel filter i can get. Use it to clean parts washer , evapo rust tank etc.
when you pour from containers, have the hole at the top.........easier to control and the air goes back in as it's at the top
For tanks like that, i always had good success using electrolysis inside the tank. All you need is a batter charger. Water, washing soda some wires and a sacrificial piece of metal that can fit inside the tank.
I saw you miss. I tried to tell you but you didn't hear me. LOL! Love you. Congrats on the new spot!
what a great way to start the day , thanks Mustie ,
beautiful weather forecast for the weekend , there will be yard sales galore ,
a yard-sailing we will go !
I had a friend in college, he had a Harley, and had read somewhere that boiling the chain in oil was the thing to do. So, he did what you did. Unfortunately, he used a Coleman stove, and set the whole business on fire! Pretty smelly business, thank god it was outside, and not in the dorm. Long story short, took several days to clean the chain up, but it worked like a charm.
When Justin gets sick of working on the POS single cab, let him know I'll take it off his hands!!! (I'm super jealous that he found a good project :D)
First off...let me say I love your truck! The first video I watched with you looking out its window I knew I would subscribe! Haha! Anyway. I've also got an old ct 90 in much worse shape than yours sadly but they are ok to restore. I've done 3 or 4 now. The last one I simplified by adding a new lifan engine amd 12 volt electrics etc. I haven't decided which way I'm going on this one but Im old so I might do the same again! Even so you have lots of great stuff there...an intact original carb, nacelle, and airbox! Nice find. Worth restoring to runner. On mine last one I kept it fairly stock looking but this one I'm going to swap out a new seat cos I have long legs and my left leg is currently a bit damaged! Good luck with your projects! Great stuff..
The evaporated rust cleaner is amazing. I just did a motorcycle gas tank that was kinda in between your two & it did a fantastic job ! Also when your done & have it dried you can use marvel mystery oil & acetone or as I didn't have any acetone I used diesel with the mystery oil to coat the tank , worked great !! :-)
POR 15 Restore kit will save original. Works very well. Did my 71 type 2 15 years ago and still going!
Pick yourself up a small electric cement / concrete mixer - if you don't already have one. Smash a toughened glass pane and put the chips into the tank, seal it up, strap it to the front of the mixer, and let it churn. A quick wash out and you are done, or at least ready for coating.
great idea Gord , now i can stop using the old ladies dryer . lol
That's a good idea. I use a 15 lb rock tumbler for smaller stuff.
The other advantage of the glass chips is that they are inert, and too large to block a pickup tube or fuel line if you can't get every last one of them back out.
Vapo-Rust works great!! I left it in for 24 hours.
Brilliant work "again". I have to laugh about you guys over there leaving stuff out for free. Over here in the UK we don't do that, instead people think the stuff you have locked up in your garage is for free.
It's certainly getting worse over this way too, just not as prevalent here yet... But yes it's getting bad!
I always think if you stop to pick up something that some has left on their driveway over here they would call the old bill.
No, we just have too much shit. Here in the US, everyone focuses on material things. Besides, you can turn a pretty penny picking up side of the road stuff. I got two lawn mowers last fall, fixed and sold both of them this spring.
Its very common for people to leave stuff on the curb for free. They even have FB pages called curb alert, Mustie should check his area to see if they have any FB groups like that. Down here in CT people give away stuff like crazy.
Im curious about this idea of leaving stuff for free by the sidewalk. We dont have this here in Sweden at all. But im wondering for example in the USA if it cost you something to go with this to the junkyard? And that this is the reason why people are leaving it for free?
I used the Evaporust on a severely rusted car fuel tank a couple months ago. I left it in for nearly 3 days. It will not harm anything that is not rust. I had to then treat my tank with POR15 tank cleaner and sealant.
Inspiration to start a new project on a 63 Honda Super Hawk 305!
the undisclosed location where Mustie 1 is now residing is a man cave of giant gatic proportions look closely there's a cot/bed/couch for power naps, fridge for cold drinks and sandwich makins, and a indoor toilet...yes a big screen is available, thanks for making good drama-free ,pc correct videos that reflect the America dream is inclusive of dreamers who put forth the effort and manage the failures are always rewarded as they move forward...GOD BLESS MUSTIE 1
Plain old cheap vinegar is my go-to rust remover. Fill it, let it set over night, and voila.
TychoBrahe21 white or malt ?
@@conorcrowley989 white, not sure I've ever tried malt, probably work either way is my guess.
Lily looks around...."Dad, have you seen my food bowl ?"
Dad holds Lily's half melted food bowl behind his back..."Er, no."
Here in rip-off Oz, Evaporust is $100 for 5 liters (gallon) Good stuff sure but if you have something big to
de-rust it's prohibitively expensive. Metal rescue is half the price and just about as good.
Though my experience with both products is that the de-rusting times stated on the cans is grossly optimistic but
raising the ambient temperature helps considerably.
Geez, and here I was thinking that $17.99/jug was fairly steep....
That Evapo-rust stuff is great! A good choice. The longer it sits the better. It almost looks like someone shoved dirt in the original tank.
Med/rare on the chain please.😁
Thanks for the video. 👍
You shake the can, you hear thud every time the ball hits the bottom. "I'm going upstairs and getting more comfortable" says I.
I tried CLR on my 79' Honda Express gas tank it worked pretty well.
Haha! It looked so cool with the black rims! :D
You can buy graphite chain wax in a tin for your stove. Works but makes a mess for lots of miles after you put the chain back on. Chain clip is like a fish and it should always swim in the same direction of the chain as it moves. Yes. more time for the Evapo Rust but you could have had a blast around in there with your sand gun.
Do you still have the JAWA and If so will you do A update soon on It?
Excuse me. You haven't done this before? Damn! That was my favorite part-watching you boil that chain!
Love the videos...and as you discovered evapo-rust is an amazing product you can let that other tank set for a few days or weeks it's not going to hurt it.... Also after the evapo rust sets in the bucket for a while you can straighten it and get all the crud out of the bottom it will stretch the evapo rust out for you some
You just got to love spell check..... I was trying to say you can strain it and clean out some of the contaminants and it will make it last a lot longer
I was just thinking about how good a Mustie1 video would be this morning.
I had s 61 VW truck, engine blew so I put a 95 horse Corvair engine in it with an adapter kit from J C Whitney, improved the gas mileage and power of course.
I keep being amazed about all the old VW’s that pop up and get restored.
Boiling the chain in oil worked really well,never seen that done before.
Did you hear about the company that now makes Brand new Vw buses and Pickups [the metal body] you put it on your frame. Cost about 15 for PU or 17.000 Van. Considering the body work and price of repair panels, not a bad deal at all. Amazing what the repro market does today for all cars and trucks.
Citric Acid is amazing for rust removal. I restored 2 Subaru WRX brake calipers that looked like they had been at the bottom of the sea for 10 years :D Cheap as chips on Amazon as the bath bomb makers use it.
I just did a vid on evaporust a couple weeks ago. Great stuff. Thanks for another great video sir...watching continues.
Darren, They make a resin tank re-liner specifically for motorcycle type tanks. You can order it from Autozone or motorcycle shops. Just make certain you plug off any opening you don't want closed off forever. (Including pitcocks)
A paint can shaker would be nice shake them gas tanks for a while. Good shows. I like your Bat Cave.
I noticed you use WD-40 often, I was recently watching another favorite channel of mine called Abom79 and he was using WD-40 rust remover. I wonder how that would fit you needs. You have inspired me to work on some of my old junk, I recently finished an old (25 year) chainsaw and successfully managed to get it working, and I wanted to let you know that you are an absolute joy to watch and wanted to thank you for sharing your knowledge.
You can make extra cash if you open a chain restaurant !! That looks delicious !
What's the number of the bulb for the speedo that you need?
RichE San Diego
DASH BULB (6V 1.7W) 34908-230-000
HIGH BEAM BULB (6V 1.7W) 34908-230-000
NEUTRAL BULB (6V 1.7W) 34908-230-000
TURN INDICATOR BULB (6V 1.7W) 34908-230-000
MC-51 is also amazing for rust, it is now available in the US...great videos, keep up the great work.
Mouldable epoxy putty could possibly fix the switch housing :)
Hi musti1 I’ve been watching you for 2-3 years, I came in around, replacing the bottom of a rusted Vw van, you remind me of myself, do the same work you do, I m now retired in Florida in my insulated 3 car garage, having the time of my life.
Hey Mustie, you just bought 4 gallons of Evaporust and you wire wheeled the chain !!!! LOL
You ever think about doing stuff with corvairs?
On your switch if the mounting holes are still good you can use that quick still to feel all that in and paint it you'll never know. Works pretty good
Considering the larger shop, you should totally get some Naphtha and soak a dirty chain innit next time. You'll clean it in moments with a few shakes.
You could try soldering in LEDs instead of the lightbulb for the high beam or make an adapter for the high beam. With the broken bulb.
This is Master Chef mechanics edition. When does Gordon Ramsey start yelling?
when your mom is done
I've saved some stuff over the years but the muffler you saved was epic on this . , I learn on small carbs every time you save one 😉
I'm no mechanic but for some reason I enjoy watching you tackle a project. For rust removal, a upholstery and canvas awning guy once suggested using oxalic acid. It does not harm fabric or paint and is not that bad on skin in limited amounts. The most economical way to buy it is in powdered form and mix 1 ounce of powder per cup of warm water. It is sold in paint stores as a wood bleach or you can buy it in bulk on Amazon, 5 pounds for $20. I've been using oxalic for 25 years to dissolve rust on tools, metal parts and rust stains on paint and cloth. No need to scrub it. If the rust is heavy I just reapply it until the rust is gone. For metal pieces I put the solution into a tub and let it soak. I live by the ocean where exposed steel starts rusting quickly so keep a spray bottle of oxalic acid solution on hand and find myself using it frequently. Oxalic acid will remove aluminum corrosion too but it will also eat any anodizing.
1 step closer to roadworthiness, the 90 is looking good!
I love the group of air-cooled buddies at the end. Bigger shop, more space for friends to come over and play, right?
I did a 1945 Willys military jeep restoration several years back and used a product called POR 15 to seal and reuse the original tank. I believe this product is designed to seal pin holes like you have in that beat up other tank.
What kinda seasoning do you recomend for vintage chain stew? 😄😄
I always use SAE 10W-30.
and a touch or GRAPHITE and WD-40 will add some zest and increase the flexibilty of the chain
Musty you crazy trying to save that tank. Rust has gone to your head Haha.
Number 3 watcher!! I would give thumbs up review for my favourite American before watching it just coz but i will gush later.
jason crigger I’m English I also talk funny 😀
Use "Metal Rescue" to remove rust from tanks. No damage to your hands, no damage to the paint, you can leave it in for days, and it is reusable over and over. The best stuff there is.
its cookin wit mustie! pan seared with 1040 honda chain MMMMM good!
We solder tanks with silver solder around here a lot. Use a electric heat gun.
Good Morning Darren Glad to see you are settling into the new shop Thanks for the interesting content
"Yummmm... Motorcycle chain-- It's what's for dinner." Never saw anybody sautee a chain in motor oil before, but it sure cleaned it up! I learn something every time I hang out in the garage with you...