BMW Motorcycle Oil Filter Comparison. SHOCKING RESULTS!
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- Опубліковано 17 січ 2021
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We’ll done. I was a fan of K&N for years. Best part was the 17mm nut. But after seeing the secondary filter in the BMW and the Mahle, I’ll be going back to the OEM model. Really informative. We’ll thought out. Don’t be afraid to give your opinion. After all, you’re the expert. Guys like you are beyond valuable to folks like us. Keep up the good work 👊
For what it's worth, great video. I agree with the other comments, and I"m glad to see you have posted a recommendation in the comment section. Next time include your concluding comments and summarized results at the end of the video. Great informative video for someone just starting out. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I like the video. More info for the rider so they can make their purchasing decisions. Here's my $.02 worth.
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I know a thing or two about those filters because I did a 3-part video listing specs as well as showing their performance in filtering ultraviolet particulate. You can find those videos if you do a UA-cam search for "Motorcycle Oil Filters In The Nuclear Age"
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The spring controls the amount of pressure at which the bypass valve opens. The spring's primary purpose is NOT to push the filter against the outer housing. The lower the spring pressure, the sooner the bypass valve opens, which allows unfiltered oil to bypass the filter assembly. Measuring spring thickness doesn't equate to any usable data. Measuring the amount of force needed to open that bypass filter is the data you really need.
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Number of pleats is interesting, but not very useful. Thinner media can be folded more often. In order for data to be useful you need to measure filter paper thickness, as well as square inches of media. The thinner the media and the smaller the square inches, means less filtering. Of course a filter can have thick media (and lots of sq.in.) and still be a failure. That's because the filter media must have holes in the paper so oil can pass. Too big a hole and crud passes through. Too small and the filter will choke the flow of oil.
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As for the K&N filter, my test seemed to show it did a good job... BUT at the end of the test we learned the bypass valve opened at a very LOW pressure, meaning the filter was prone to allowing unfiltered oil to reach the engine. This would typically happen during a cold start-up and under heavy loads. If I recall the K&N spring rate was less than half the BMW or the Mahle.
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As for the Mahle filter, it was on-par with the BMW filter, EXCEPT that the BMW filter had one more feature the Mahle lacked - a small screen on the bypass filter opening. That BMW screen would prevent large particles from circulating thru the engine once the bypass valve opened. Note that Mahle also makes the BMW filter, but BMW must have added the sceen mesh specification. Which means the BMW filter is slightly superior (except for cost). *see below
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As for the HiFlo filter, it's performance was truly dismal. I wouldn't put one in a lawn mower.
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And finally, the BMW and Mahle filter you tested were different models than the ones I tested. The wire mesh screen was not present, instead there was a synthetic mesh screen used on both brands shown in your test. Based on that, I'd say those 2 filters were identical except for branding and price.
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As for me, I try to use the BMW filter when time and money permit (ordering, availability, etc.). But if a BMW filter isn't on hand I will happily use a Mahle filter.
That spring that I measured was not the bypass spring.
also I like your cycle pump product :)
I've used the hi Flo filter on my 09 R1200rt-p and have never had any problems.
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Great Video, keep up the great work!
Hi flo used to make filters for K&N. Not sure if they still do, but that would explain the similarity.
Nice dude. Great channel
Appreciate it! If you are feeling generous please consider "joining" my channel, it cost as little as 1.99 and really helps me out. it will keep videos like this coming!
As an ex BMW tech, Mahle make the BMW filters I believe, and some things you just don't scrimp on, people will use high quality oils, then go stingy on the filter. DUMB!
I wholeheartedly agree. If you're going to pay extra for german or austrian technology or oil, be consistent. There is a difference in german made synthetic oils. They are held to a much higher standard. Group IV PAO or Group V ester based. Not Cheap ass Group III hydrocracked petroleum based that still burns off relatively easy and requires makeup oil between oil changes.
Good work 👏
Thanks ✌️
I've owned german cars since 1981, with a VW Jetta diesel 2 door coupe. Mann, Mahle, and german brand filters is all I've ever run on my german cars. Same with my BMW R1250 GS, I run Mahle filters made in Austria. BMW works very closely as does Porsche, Audi and Rotax for their filtering requirements. My 2015 Touareg Lux TDI and Passat SEL TDI get the same oil filter treatment. The extra bypass oil filter inside goes to show how important it is to feed your engine bearings and internal bearing parts clean oil.
I’ve started to use the Bosch 72161WS for my BMWs. Perfect fit, cheapest out there, and it’s Bosch.
That ws interesting - I had no idea of the complexity inside of the filter... and think I do like my Mahle filters.
Got a 1250GS BMW. Is the Shell Synthetic oil the same as the BMW oil brand or is BMW oil special?
There is VERY little info. on the web, even in 2022, on Genuine BMW Oil Filters vs. OEM/Aftermarket. I used to use Mann or Mahle oil filters for my BMW M30 and M50 engines. Then I decided to buy a Genuine BMW oil filter. I noticed the Genuine BMW filter was made by Mahle. I previously had a Mahle I removed from an oil change. The Genuine BMW filter had smaller metal holes on the interior cylinder than the Mahle filter. The BMW one clearly had more intricacy and higher demands for filtration and justified the price. Weight has to be spot-on in order to get BMW stamp - I was told this by a major US BMW autoparts supplier, Bav Auto, who's sales rep used to work at a auto parts manufacturing company responsible for widgets. He told me, if you really want your car to last, go with genuine BMW, if you just want to get by for a few years, go with the cheaper stuff. The BMW stamp, is not just paying for the stamp, or the dealer's overhead, there is more to it that very few know.
Total surface area of the filter material?
Hiflo all day
I suggest an end that actually recommends which one is 1st 2nd 3rd 4th in order of best to worst (even if the worst is very good).
Will you be kind to explain the shocking results and your conclusion? Thanx ahead.
So, which one, in your opinion, is the best filter to use...?
Oem bmw. I believe it’s built by mahle but to Bmw’s spec. I like the bypass valve filter and the fact that it’s engineered specifically for your engine.
OEM. Stronger spring, secondary filtration.
First of spring has nothing to do with much than press plate. If the filter cartridge is a certain size that would include the bigger spring. Also the oring(tampered) accounts for that. That has nothing to do with which is better. They all are great. But price wise are not equal. So I will purchase which ever is cheaper and easier to buy.
For the R1200/1250 LC Boxer series the BMW filter is the same as the Mahle OC 619. The K&N air filter has to be cleaned and not to be changed. There is only a comparison to the lifetime of your bike or the day you sell it.
Cleaning is only for their air filters. Oil filters are disposable.
@@kawasaki200z Sure, my fault.🤪
You mentioned the anti-drain back valve on the K&N, and to wait until the end, but never followed up. What were your discoveries? What were the *SHOCKING RESULTS*? As for the video, good, I thought, but overall conclusions would have been appreciated, and the "loss-leader"-type title was kind of tacky and unfulfilling. Thanks.
I thought the same. The introduction of the filters headlines that the K&N failed and doesn't have a drain back valve and then he shows us the drainback valve.
Put the video speed at x1.5 you won’t regret it
Not a bad video, a tad basic, and doesn't convey enough information. After going through all that you should at least rank them based on features.
thanks
@@TheBMWGuy - New subscriber, and I appreciate "a tad basic."
Let me tell you ... as I am a big fan of reviews .... the video is nice. Quality Is nice. .... technique is ok ... but I cant see a comparison table at the end ... and NO conclusions.... for me it's a mediocre review.... My 2 cents : you are in the right path, I like it , but it is inconclusive and uses a misleading title as you dont conclude, basically, anything .....
I’m new to the UA-cam thing. I’ll try harder next time. Thanks!
@@TheBMWGuy let me tell you .... your review is very good. If you are NEW on this, you are not good but VERY good ... but you need to nail, kill, finish or whatever you call the review. For me this is a bait title as I got not clear conclusion on the review. This kills your product. Your voice, manners, quality of video, subject selected are very good ...! But try to summarize [like an excel table] your review and provide a customer suggestion. Dont let open to imagination. Nobody appreciates that . If you are new on this, you are doing this pretty fine. Will change my negative review to positive ...!
@@TheBMWGuy - The last time I checked, you won't find a statue of a critic anywhere. It's good to see you taking all of the comments in stride so to speak.
@@TheBMWGuy leaving it up to people to decide is a good thing. you made it pretty obvious what filters are good. just turn the comments off and let the douchebags drown in their own self pity! Thank you so much for sharing with us this video and saving me a ton of money on my 05 GS!!