@@moneyman9295 he went for those reasons... But he could have went to other teams with young talent.. He could have joined with Durant, a proven star... Kyrie and love werent proven playoff performers yet
@@nicobean5064 it is not about 20+ wins dude. It is about the team has gotten better for Lebron to come there and trade some of those players that have values to formulate his own team on the Cavs
Of course Chris missed the point, although Lebron played out his contracts after he went to Miami he and his agency “Klutch Sports” always made it clear he might not resign and then went to a year to year contracts. Thus making it hard for the GM to actually sign players because they knew he wasn’t staying. I’ll also add Lebron wasn’t thinking about “player empowerment” he just wanted to stack the deck for himself.
Lebron signed a 6 year contract in Miami what you on. Lebron and Bosh were both traded to Miami just like the Boston Celtics players were. It mad it hard to sign players in Miami because all 3 stars were taking the money not because he wasn't staying.
Stfu bro 😂 I’m all for the players because the organizations can get rid of whoever they want whenever they want but as soon as a player takes the power of his career into his own hands it’s a problem now?? So again stfu Power to the players
So let me get this straight a GM didn't do his job because bron might not stay? Thats is a very dumb way of thinking as a GM you should always strive to bring in the best talents you can get so just in case your best player don't stay you can still contender its common since find another excuse that actually makes sense because what you just said made no sense
@@mazzb305 He left it all on the floor in 2007, 2010, 2011, 2014,2017, 2018, 2021. Gun shy in 2007 Owner said he gave up in 2010 We all know what happened in 2011 Ridiculously blown out in 2014 Gentleman's sweep in 2017 with 2 other all stars Lied about broken hand in 2018- swept 2021- walking around the floor in defense while Phoenix was pouring it on L.A. Just responding to your comment.
When Lebron went to Miami he wasnt thinking about empowering players, he was only thinking about himself. So if we're going to say that he empowered players, we need to make it clear that it definitely wasnt his intention, and it was only a side effect of what he did.
Damn. I'm glad you had the inside track on what LeBron was thinking at that time. You got any other insight on what he's thinking after this contract is up??
@@TheyCallMeGator it's pretty obvious lebrons intention was to stack the deck so he couldnt be beaten. He really believed Miami would win not 3 not not 4 not 5....
@@mazzb305 these haters are mad bron didnt stay in cleveland and never win. they never make decisions for themselves in their own lifes so are mad at bron for finally doing it.
The top 4 players in 2010 were Kobe, Bron, Durant, & Wade. Not only did Lebron join another top 4 player but he then added a top 15 player in Bosh. Lebron subsequently stacked those Heat teams with veterans. Wade wasn’t just a superstar. He was a superstar that had already won a chip before. So Lebron had a championship teammate that could guide him on the journey to a chip. When Jordan won his first chip, he didn’t have a championship teammate to show him the ropes. Jordan had to figure it out on his own and people appreciate that journey. But Lebron took a shortcut by joining a championship superstar in Wade. The 2008 Celtics did not have 2 of the top 4 players in the NBA so they were not the same as the Heat. The 80s Celtics were a superteam but they had to deal with other superteams at the time. The Early 80s Sixers, 80s Lakers, & late 80s Pistons. When the Heat Big 3 was assembled in 2010, there was no other superteam out there that was constructed like them. No other team had 2 top 4 players and a top 15 player. That’s why the Heat Big 3 was viewed as overkill.
Also those teams in the past were formed through drafts and trades. Draft picks are never a sure thing and trades are fair game in the sense that you have to give to get. Lebron was the first guy to form a super team via free agency and hand pick teammates in their prime to win, then KD one upped him. imo both Lebron's and KD's legacies should be knocked for those weak moves
Iman put absolutely not an ounce of logic behind none of his arguments just made statements he believed to be true. Plus he sounded drunk throughout the whole interview he was talking straight nonsense.
And Lebron cracked because of the pressure and ran to create a Superteam and then did it again in Cleveland and tried to do it again in LA. Remember that he was recruiting Kahwi to come play with him and AD after Kahwi won the chip. Then tried to get Giannis last year. Lebron definitely made it cool to take the easy way out.
This is facts. And people bring up the Celtics as the reason he had to leave like they were some unbeatable team. Didn't Kobe beat them in the finals? Didn't Dwight beat them in the Eastern conference?!?! They weren't the Durant Warriors. LBJ didn't want to thug it out and chose to play with 2 of the top 5 picks of his own draft class and depleted 2 teams in the process.
@@smoothgent1011 No you're missing the point. The Lakers with Pau and Kobe were never a superteam. Lebron had to go form a superteam in order to beat his competition. Kobe and Dwight were able to dismantle the big 3 Celtics, so why couldn't Lebron? Isn't Lebron like the 2nd greatest player of all time behind Michael Jordan? He only wins by stacking the deck. And even so, he still finds a way to under perform. Losing 6 finals, what a shame.
Fisher Kober Ariza/Ron arrest Gasol Bynum Odom Phil Jackson as the coach The Lakers had 2 all stars but they had a great supporting cast..... Most all superteams are beatable because the lack of supporting cast or the three players does not match well.
@@NwoFresh no one was beating Dirk during that playoff run. It’s literally one of the most amazing feats in the history of the league. Show some respect.
Heat Big 3 is like Kobe, TMac and Jermaine O’Neal teaming up from 03’-07’. Cavs Big was like Kobe playing with Marbury and Rasheed Wallace, but let’s just say from 08’-11’, Kobe going to Utah to play with D Will and Boozer. Then Bron getting AD is like Kobe in 2013 getting KG from 03’. Just think about it
I agree with the caller and I said the same thing! Kyrie was a young all star point guard and Cleveland had the first overall pick that could be flipped into another all star! Lebron is great at controlling the narrative! He went to Cleveland thinking he could have a dominant scoring guard and all star power forward and try to get a younger version of what he had in Miami under the guise that he was just trying to make things right with Cleveland! If Cleveland didn’t have Kyrie and the first overall pick, he never would’ve gone back!
@@kjo2130 It wasn't a free agent collusion....the Celtics traded good young assets - at the time - for KG & Allen....Pierce & Rondo were drafted.... I don't begrudge the Heat for doing what they did - it was within the rules - but I DO give them stick for underachieving....2 chips was the floor for that team, especially going through a weak East.
“Super teams” back in the day were organized trades and picks, today is different they don’t want to compete at all Like dame, Bron starts this bs and ruined the league! Jordan never left after being beat down by pistons he stuck it out until his team got better an they got Phil. Sure some will say pistons and lakers got old, but it was Jordan’s turn.
@@sirjer73 clyde drexler also shoots worse from the 3 than westbrook, even though he played 3 yrs with a 22ft 3pt line, as athletic as he was no all defensive teams???
This is what I learn about teamwork and the beauty of sport -> never abandon your team, to win and to lose together. The legacy is not about how many championship you have. It is about how you win it.
They are different scenarios bro. 1 player said F a GM I'm the GM & formed his own squad, the other guy joined the best regular season team of all time who just so happen to beat OKC in the WCF.
@@ojoj5194 So is that what NBA fans do now? Just call people fanboy or casual just because they don't agree? You lame bruh, I like KD & Bron equally so there's nothing to fanboy.
This is what I don’t understand. He played his 7 years and left in free agency. Isn’t that exactly how it works? What does Lebron have to be defended for? He didn’t do anything wrong.
I'll say this if you pick your team (stack the deck as they say) as a player and you don't run the league your legacy is ruined because you can't have a stacked team and it underachieves. If you recruit multiple hall of famers or all stars and you don't dominate it's a failure. You have no excuse outside of injury as a reason you didn't win it all all the time. That's the risk of building a superteam you better be super.
@@thisiseliasm4645 name 5 and I’ll shut up! But MJ, Magic, Bird all had staked teams. Multiple hall of famers. Maybe came together different but the same result
The problem with Chis' logic is - *where do you draw the line* ? Once you open that can of worms by players stacking the deck, then you can't back track and say Miami superteam is OK but Warriors' superteam is not OK. Why is one OK and the other not OK? The other problem is that he tries to compare superteams in the 1980's to superteams today. But in the 1980's there were only 23 teams in the league. There are 30 teams in the league today, and most of them aren't very good. When players stack the deck in today's league they further dilute the talent pool of the average and mediocre teams because good players usually only leave franchises that are mediocre or average for better situations.
Because one was 3 all stars and one was 4 all stars secondly the Miami heat system still had to be built, warriors system was ready made for kd to fit in , no time spent to figure out or build anything, huge difference lol
@@thejonesbass wow one more all star. Excuses. When the Heat formed a lot of analyst had them breaking the Bulls record of most wins in the season. The only reason the Heat gets a pass is because they lost. So people thought they weren't that good. The warriors won and dominated like the Heat were supposed to
I certainly agree with your point the slight difference is basically the entire Warriors team was drafted. When KD sighed there they became pretty much unstoppable.
i agree and can't forget that, he left wade and bosh after losing in 2014 finals and Pat Riley was doing everything he can to help lebron win titles unlike Dan Gilbert then lebron just ditched Riley and the heat organization to form his new big 3 which is pathetic and weak
Dan Gilbert was helping LeBron, he was giving LeBron the players, was firing/hiring coaches left and right and was going over the salary cap for this dude. It was LeBron who COULDN'T lead the team to win multiple championships. Dan Gilbert did his part, LeBron didn't. The team was winning 60 plus games in multiple seasons and had a coach of the year, maybe LeBron just wasn't the guy everyone said he was. And if Dan Gilbert gave LeBron no help and was a supposed "rascist" and "plantation owner", why did Lebron go back to play for the man in Cleveland in 2014? LeBron is full of it with his narratives, truth is he's a Scottie Pippen who can't win without a Jordan type player who can lead or close out games.....PERIOD!!! That's why the Lakers look like they do now, no closer or leader on the team to bail out LeBron. LeBron thought AD or Westbrook would bail him out this year but it's not working out, so he's getting EXPOSED. Don't be surprised if LeBron take his ball and run back to Cleveland since the team is playing well now, leaving the Lakers in shambles....SMH!!!!
KD does NOT go anywhere without LeBron stacking the deck and creating a super team. LeBron groupies hate this fact. This has always disqualified the guy
Again get out of your slave mindset that the owners are the only ones who can move people around the players make up the NBA he worked out his contract the owner was not able to sell him he moved on his own and went where you wanted to go and I am not a LeBron fan if the owners can trade you with you not even knowing and you hear it on TV then you should be able to go wherever you want to go it's just like slavery they have to be able to get something for you when they trade you to another plantation LeBron went to the plantation of choice
the issue isnt that Lebron left. its that he joined up with a top 5 player, and another top 15-20 player. If he had went to a better run organization few would be angry at that.
But people are acting like that has never happened before not to mention there is no loyalty in the NBA and he was a free agent the only problem I have is that he shouldn't have made it into a television special
@@flyguy7825 were talking about a player (arguably considered a GOAT) in his prime choosing to join forces with his competitive peers in same conference . Lebron left and joined 2 other all stars which effectively weakened 2 teams. From a strategic point it was smart but from a legacy point it stood out as a weak move.
@@mellol1628 How is it weak went He gave all he could at that time to the Cavaliers and they still weren't getting over the hump and winning a championship what he did was acknowledge the fact that he can't do it by himself and decided to join a team that was serious about building a championship roster it's not like the dude won the championship every year he didn't even win at his first year with the heat this whole how he ruined the NBA would have some type of validity to it if LeBron won the championship every year which he didn't
@@flyguy7825 he quit on the Cavs ! He’s the one that underperformed in both series against the Celtics & left when adversity hit !!! Had he played how he was suppose to play he would’ve beat them
In all honesty lebron should have more rings with as many times as he's been to the finals his record shows he relied too much on other stars when he should have been the one taking the last shots
Name ONE Finals other than the Dalas series where LBJ wasn't the best player on his team -_-? You cannot say he relied too much on teammates when he was clearly the best player on his team. And you're talking about last shots, which last shots you talking about that cost him a Finals series?
Yes, I strongly feel LeBron mess up the league too. What he did kind of makes the essence of Draft useless. The Drafting idea was to mainly balance things up and allow general competition.
Caller was 1000% right, and I remember when it started too. When Kyrie won all-star mvp. Bron was on the bench salivating, you could see it on his face. Same as when he went to check out lonzo ball in summer league, then all of a sudden kyrie wanted out. He knew bron was leaving the same way he left miami for him, and he didn't want to give bron the satisfaction. Obvious as the day is long, and I'm not even a Kyrie guy.
@@rayking2396 You're wrong. Kyrie asked for a trade after the draft. He did it because he learned that the Cavs were trying to trade him behind his back before the draft. There was a 4 team trade agreement between the Cavs, the Pacers, the Suns and the Nuggets. Kyrie was about to go to Phoenix and PG13 to the Cavs. The trade fell through at the last moment because the Pacers wanted more draft picks. That was the reason why the Cavs fired David Griffin.
I like how everyone forgot Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett got together to beat Lebron first. Then Lebron said, ok yall not going to get me any help. Well Pat Riley will.
@@Ninjersey1 they weren't washed up either. Dem boys were ballin. An let's not act like Dan Gilbert wasn't treating Lebron like a cash horse. Lebron was bring in tickets and business for the city of Cleveland and that's all that owner cared about. So if the owner and the Cleveland organization wasn't going to maximize Lebrons potential he needed to leave and work the system himself.
To beat bron ??? What did bron win before they put the older celtics together??? Answer this 2009 mvp 60 wins #1 seed loses to a 3rd seed Magic, 2010 mvp 60 wins #1 seed loses to the 4th seed celtics, 2011 creates a super team loses in the finals to the mavs as the favorite ! He was coming up short so he wanted what he thought was a sure thing when he joined Miami 💯
@@barronswilley2171 it wasn't a matter of what bron won at that time. In order to advance to the finals and win a chip. They would have had to go through Lebron FIRST. So this would have gave the C's the best shot at a title. Paul Pierce wasn't beating Bron by himself. This is probably why he hate Lebron so much.. he figure he'll I would probably have a couple of titles if it wasn't for him. I swear yall haters can act like Lebron was no big deal. He is the only player I can recall teams assembled to beat him.
Couldn’t agree more. He’s also the face of the league flopping like someone snipped him & complaining to change calls whenever he wants. The face of the nba should not be doing such pathetic antics. This dude is 6”9 250 all muscle flexing on the gram but he’s always on the floor 🤦🏻♂️
How did lebron ruin basketball by going to Miami ? They wasn’t dominate like many people thought . Lebron lived up to his part but honestly after year 1 wade/bosh declined every year . He didn’t ruin basketball , if anything he changed every basketball player life after him with what he did .
I gotta be honest I loved player movement when it first started. I liked seeing players take control of their careers and do what they wanted but it is so out of control now it has killed the whole culture of repping your team and city because each year it's just a new batch of mercenaries on the roster. The contract don't even mean anything anymore and forget buying gear with your favorite player on the back because the first time he gets in his feelings he will want off the team. It's just not that enjoyable to watch anymore. When trade rumors are at the top of every NBA conversation that tells you the state of the league.
Loyalty was a part of the game at some point. I know the owners and GMs can always make moves, but every team had their guy. At least it felt like that. I do miss those days. It is almost like teams don't even matter anymore.
TRUE!! Dominique Wilkins, Atlanta Hawks. Michael Jordan, Bulls. Patrick Ewing, Knicks. Hakeem Olojuwan, Rockets. Every team had their heart and soul player back then that everyone associated with. Even though all those players I named played with different teams their last year, they will always be know by their "original" teams.
The problem with stacking the deck and putting together super teams is you're expected to win more than 2, so the 2 out of 4 by the Heat was a failure and us fans don't give that team any props. Just like KD's 2 rings on the warriors are 💩. Remember, respect is earned.
TBF...THAT Warriors team would’ve won 3 in a row if KD doesn’t tear his Achilles...they lost in 6 games without KLAY AND HIM...That Heat team underachieved WAY more...they were only dominant in ONE Finals....and got SPANKED in two others....!
@@dparks2856 for what it said it set out to do...by their own standards? You could argue that...yes.....you would HAVE to say that they underachieved at least...
Broussard is wrong. The first caller was completely right. He knew kyrie was there and was a 20+ ppg scorer and he knew he could get Love who was a 25 and 12 player at the time
He honored his contract & he made a team. KD joined the very team he couldn’t beat that was already made. He put the power in the players hand. They hate different that’s the thing. It’s no blueprint that you have to follow.
@@azwanazmi1484 The difference between the two is that OKC had the right pieces around Durant. KD (up 3-1) choked against the Warriors and then decided to joined them. For that he lost more respect than any player in history in my opinion. Just saying.
@@sunrise6702 KD spent 9 years with one organisation before becoming a free agent and then rightly chose a team which would help get him that first championship at the cost of their bench. The biggest haters are the Lebron fanboys who criticised the move as weak while praising their King for joining forces with allstar friends in his prime and winning only 2 from 4. Had Lebron stayed in Cleveland the first time he ends his career like Karl Malone.
Kareem demanded a trade from Milwaukee!!!!!!!! Cut it out. Kareem wasn't drafted by the Lakers!!!!!! Dennis Johnson wasn't drafted by the Celtics. 5 teams made it in the 80s!!!!!!! Facts!!!!
He didn't went back to CLE to win a chip with Dellavedova, these bronsexuals are utterly delusional. MIA was done and he saw an opportunity there to form another super team with Kyrie and K Love. Jumped teams again when the CLE boat started to sink. Fake Goat. 🐑🐑🐑
Lol 😂 the caller was right Chris the puppet was in is feelings Lebron did see kyrie was a superstar and he left his best friend wade to join Kyrie I 💯 % agree with the caller
Lol right Lebron would've never came back to Cleveland if Kyrie wasn't there so he seen a good situation where all he had to do was add one more star and then he could compete for a chip
@@SW-sf5vw Yea only if the situation was good he just came off 2 chips with Miami and that formula of the big 3 worked over there even tho they underachieved so it make sense for him to bring that same formula to Cleveland not be in the same position he was in his first 7 years there
Phil, you're wrong sir. I didn't run to hop on the best team on the playground. I just played the game. Secondly, we're not million dollar athletes neither. And that's the point Chris, LBJ and KD are on another level and they both took the damn easy way to not be Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley. They too the easy way out because it was expectations for them to win. They're both weak and their 6 Chips combined won't stand up against Jordan 6.
Please don't give me another "bad for the game" argument taken from these talking heads. No team or real fan of any basketball team is thinking about the game, every team in all sports try to get the best players available all the time, they want to win every game and never loose, what are you talking about. "You play to win the game". Let's let the other team have him so we can lose some games and make it fair. Nothing in life is fair.
But that’s not what iman was trying to say tho , 😭 how they tryna put it like it something . Iman and rob is different ways of saying he ruined basketball
Bron did the right thing to leave the Cavs, but really it’s what he actually did after leaving. He could’ve gone to any other team, but he decided to form a Big 3 super team in Miami with Wade and Bosh and all three of them were in their primes. Eventually that backfired because of KD took his blueprint and perfected it
@@comedianbradfowler can’t be on the top 5 if you’re looking for the easiest way for a chip and avoiding competition. That’s why some people including myself and some of his own teammates think he ruin the league
@@dimitries kd joined a 73-9 team that already won a ring a team that he was up 3-1 on and then joined them … that’s like lebron joining Boston in 2010 after the Celtic put him out .. he was going up against Ray KG Rondo and Pierce .. 4 legit all stars
The difference Broussard is that unlike the 2007 Celtics and 2004 Lakers, the 2010 Heat was one of the first times we’ve seen superstars in their PRIME team up. Other teams put rosters together with ageing stars.
Facts..and none of the celtics big 3 was on the same level as bron and wade when they were teamed up by the celtics org..rondo was an unknown draft pick that the celtics developed
Funny how they mention Jordan and Giannis sticking with their team and won but doesn't mention Curry before Durant and he signed an extension with the team that drafted him but the beginning of the season they were saying if Curry wants to win he should go to another team.
Golden State built their team generically the drafted and developed players acquired free agents who were not under contract hence the term free. Every team in all sports want the best players they can get, they want to win every game, and win the championship every year. That is what you want, do you ever go into a game and say lets loose today so that it will be competitive? No that is the other team's job to be competitive. Let's not take Durant so that it will be a level playing field, you be good enough so that someone wants to come to your team.
@@kgar5String no he's clearly talking about adding KD was bad for the game! 73-9! Kd up 3-1 to gsw and choked, GSW up 3-1 to clv and choked!! 😂😂😂 Then they join up, if you don't think that's bad you don't know basketball, but if you think what LBJ did is bad! You definitely don't know basketball 🤣🤣
@@bishopbad373 Again, no such a thing as bad for the game when you have done nothing illegal and/or unethical, it's almost comical to think that any player and/or team is thinking I can't go to that team because they are too good, it would not be fair to the other teams. Every team always try to get the best player available the same for the player the best team available, talking heads just need something to talk about and fans are mad it is not their team.
@@bishopbad373 Please don't give me another "bad for the game" argument taken from these talking heads. No team or real fan of any basketball team is thinking about the game, every team in all sports try to get the best players available all the time, they want to win every game and never loose, what are you talking about. "You play to win the game". Let's let the other team have him so we can lose some games and make it fair. Nothing in life is fair.
Did it ruin the game no.. it changed the competitiveness of the league and it ushered in the AUU mentality of the best players team up to try to win instead of beating each other for a championship
That is ruining the game, that's not real basketball. Then they wonder why the ratings are down. Nobody wants to see players jacking up threes all game and not playing defense and the big man game becoming non existent.
@@lirpa2300 all that happened with influx of European style of play.. spacing the floor and jacking up unnecessary 3's I agree.. I can barely watch the NBA now.. I watch the Warriors because of their style of play.. but every body else is unwatchable... I'm old school I grew up on 90's NBA.. so I get what you are saying..
@@dreamcage1801 facts.. it's no real rivalries .. the TV coverage sucks.. the media always talking about Lebron.. I miss the NBA on NBC.. I miss old school rivalries.. I miss competitive playoff series that didn't last 3 weeks..
Ray Allen played in Milwaukee and was traded then he jumped ship. Shaq sign his fist big deal it was a money move not to have easy wins and get to the finals. Jabar had won a Championship and got picked up by the Lakers who drafted all their top players. Lebron built his rosters in Miami and Cavs to get easy wins.
@@milfmuncher6962 LeBron didn't build the Heat team,Wade did cause he where the one that came up with the ideal for Bosh and LeBron to joint him to beat the big 3 Celtics players,Pierce,Allen and KG and they did that.But let's blame LeBron for everything.Shaq played on 7 teams chasing rings including the Cleveland's team with LeBron but at that time he were washed up but no one talk about that,not even Shaq.
It's called holding the team accountable. The Cavs drafted Lebron and sat on their laurels while he made them bank with Mo Williams as his running mate. Players are judged on accomplishments while teams are judged on revenue and those interests don't always align like they should. The media has a hand in this too, constantly saying it don't mean a thing if you don't got a ring
One of the biggest gripes I have with this show is how the always cut off the callers while the callers try to get their points across then say the callers aren’t trying to listen and this is their show. I love the show but I hate that.
I agree with Chris. If you don't want players taking that much control, fine. Owners and GM's should do a better job putting teams together. Why shouldn't players take matters into their own hands when front offices prove that they don't know what they're doing?
Because you get no props puttin together a all star team and beating scrub teams. Like how do you even have a sense of accomplishment when you’re not even beating the best player of your generation because they’re on your team as your teammate
@@kant5696 The problem with y’all logic is you’re basically rating players based on how good their organization builds teams. Which isn’t fair to the players.
Rob has a lot of bad takes he's stuck to over the years, but this is the only one that I agree. I don't hate Lebron for doing it, as I think he was just trying to empower players....... but now it seems like only a few players seem loyal to a franchise and same with the franchise towards its players. Shumpert saying he knocked down the 4th wall couldn't be better said. Smart business move by Lebron, but ultimately bad for the NBA brand with fans.
Bro y’all silly fans don’t know that the cavs betrayed him first. One of his teammates slept with his mom. The owner was talking reckless behind his back. Like u don’t betray a player like that y’all supposed to be family. Do not say the Miami heat were a super team dwade was towards the end of his prime and Chris Bosh got bloodcots those players were not durable dwade was hurt a lot during those years. They went 2 of 4 in the finals. Lebron left and joined a bad team who didn’t make the playoffs and took them to the finals 4 straight years quit hating enjoy greatness
@@melvinhhcp3615 not excuses just facts. The organization drafted nobody good while he was there. They were complete garbage. And lebron still took them trash ass Boys to the finals at age 22 get tf outta here u hate but its greatness no matter what u think
@@TheRealDillPickles Someone missed the point. I don’t believe Kobe & Shaq ever publicly and arrogantly said they were going to win 3, 4, 5, or 6 championships on national television. So your comment is irrelevant. Move along.
@@TheRealDillPickles they won 3 outta 4 times while having to compete w/ the dynasty Spurs & dominate Kings …. Bron Neva had competition in the East & struggling in the west now but Bron fans used to bash MJ n Kobe for getting knocked out the 1st roun now look
@@blakeblakeyblakely1434 Not only that, but LeBrons fans will bring up how LBJ “needed” to form a super team to beat the Celtics aged Big 3. However, LBJ fans forget that Kobe and Pau beat those same Celtics teams. Even a Dwight Howard led Magic team beat those Celtics without even needing another superstar teammate. But LeBron “needed” two top 10 players to get over the hump?? Laughable
Finally we get someone who makes the point how Lebron’s decision came back to bite him in the ass when the Warriors with KD took 2 likely titles from him. He paved the way for KD to do what he did which was to have the balls to join a team that no one wanted him to join. Lebron made it fine because the media changed up and put Lebron on a pedestal after his run with the Heat. Unfortunately, that same luxury wasn’t going to be given to KD because he is the biggest threat to Lebron as the best player in the league (Curry will be the new face of the league).
@@MR.__G So the Sixers can tank for years overcharging thier fans for tickets, parking and concessions while Lebron, who completed his contract obligation should play for an inept owner who was just satified by having a full area? I am a old head and past tired of the Jordan fanboys who will take a shot any chance they get. They said the same thing about Curt Flood. His so called friends would not even support him in his cause for player empowerment. Every pro athlete is in debt to Curt Flood for having the chance to carve their own path because he is the father of free agency. The media was on him like they are in Lebron. Not a Lebron fanboy, i have an appreciation for all great players.The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Lakers built their dynasties by fleecing other clubs making their superteams for decades.
@@charleswilliams6758 what does that have to do with what I said ? Lebron fans should be quiet when another player decides to do what he did multiple times.
@@MR.__G Lebron doesn't cut paychecks or contracts the owners do. No player forces a owner to sign anyone. Pat Riley signed Lebron James in Miami, Dan Gilbert in Cleveland, and Jeanie Buss in LA. Like I said the Jordan fanboys will not quit. They hated on Kobe after he won his fifth ring just like they are doing with Lebron now.
Michael Jordan has the best team in the league around. They were always the favorites. It's not like he carried scrubs to rings. Let's be objective now. And don't even get me started on those Golden State teams.
@@earlthepearl6414 Jordan helped bring that franchise up from the mud… big difference ! He was the main catalyst in that & everyone pitched in their contributions as well. Jordan helped create a dynasty the same way Duncan did for the Spurs.
@Beery bronsexuals forget that Miami was the pre season pick to win the champion all 4 years & only left with 2… & one of things rings came down to the most clutch shot ever by ray allen
@@earlthepearl6414 Here’s the problem, y’all look at the results but not the process. Jordan wasn’t gifted all star talent, he had to cultivate it out of his teammates. When we look at guys like Pippen, Armstrong or Grant, they came to Jordan as rookies 0 NBA experience, when we look at a Paxson, he was a bench player averaging 6ppg in SA. Just because Jordan got the best out of these guys it’s not like he was given an advantage. And the reason why his team was the favorite was because nobody was crazy enough to bet against him and he showed why, that’s what it means to be the best.
Kobe won back to back and he didn’t have to leave to join no super team , once again he’s never brought up in conversations unless it’s about him winning with shaq , it’s ridiculous
That’s because the organization went and got him Pau Gasol and a very reliable Lamar Odom or did we just forget that they existed…??? Kobe fans 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
@@rayking2396 Gasol was 0-12 in the playoffs before Kobe. Odom barely became 6MOY towards the end of his Lakers career. He only had 2-3 good seasons in L.A.
@@melvinhhcp3615 U can’t go talking about how much they won before and after. Bc what did KLove and Kyrie win before and after LeBron? What we’re their playoff records? I’ll give U a hint (KLove never made the playoffs).
Funny how Iman, said so many things about Lebron. How great a teammate, leader, plays the game hard and the right way every day. They picked this little part to talk about. It's like a Recruit took a job. He had to work there 5 years before he could transfer. After those five years were over. He's leaves for a better running company, which pays more and has better coverage and benefits. At this point if a person wouldn't do that. He's just DAF.
Then say he ruined the power structure of management vs players don’t say he ruined basketball like he got all the players to shoot to get fouled or something like thag
This dude is a below average role player who gives a damn what he said he can grow up all over again and he still wouldn't have the talent of a LeBron James
@@SwaggerIsAVirtue that may be true in a sense, but it still doesn't negate the fact that now if you don't put one these teams together, you basically aren't even competitive, not to mention contending for a title. There are about six to eight teams that are even worth the price of admission to watch for 82 games. Broussard's idea of what's "exciting" is skewed to say the least, and subjective. Over 2/3 of the league's teams suck, and they are priced out of the free agent market, so unless more players like Giannis show some amount of loyalty to an organization, we are stuck watching crap, until the conference finals, or maybe the semi finals. The best thing this year is watching the Lakers flop, trying to buy another title! Lebron started the trend!
@@flyguy7825 so he can't have an opinion because he was a role player, but you can denigrate him on social media, and you never played in the NBA at all, and your opinion has more merit? Is that what you're saying? His talent has nothing to do with his opinion, or the subject!
This argument is soooooo trash. The 80's were dominated by the Lakers and Celtics with LOADED rosters. Yall swear Chris Bosh was soooooooooooo great. Both of them(wade) were hurt during that run. The how is the corniest argument ever.
Player empowerment ruined the NBA? Nah. You know what ruins the integrity of the game? Players not finding out that they were traded until watching ESPN or scrolling through Twitter. The hand check ban that was officially instituted in the 2004-2005. The hand check ban allowed players like Steve Nash to go from all star to MVP. The hand check ban paved the way for more perimeter play that some find boring to watch.
All of aa sudden you now have short memories. Don't worry I got you covered. Lebron James said in Miami, not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven, eight. That's what he said before he ran his azz back to the only team that the NBA could pass him on. And he got lucky, and a couple of things went his way, like the Draymond Green getting suspended, their center getting hurt, abd after that they won their very first championship. Chris Brousard, and Nick Wright, and Shannon Sharpe, wasn't expecting that the Golden State Warriors was about to acquire Kevin Durant, and go on to sweep the Cavaliers the next year. Proving that was a good move to improve the team, and also proved Rob Parker correct. Lebron got man handled by Kevin Durant twice in the finals and Lebron James didn't won't no smoke, supposed to be the best player in the world, and prove he wasn't. What else do I need to say.
@@torhowell5202 no I don't see it. Maybe I would be able too see it had he won 5,6,7. There has been 8 different teams to win championships since he went to Miami. You won't find that many different champs in any 10 year period in NBA history. That doesn't seem like ruining the game to me.
LeBron is the reason the biggest reason the Heat didn’t 3 peat, he literally got outplayed by Jason Terry & Shawn Marion while Wade averaged 26 in the 2011 finals 😭
I always find it fascinating,when the Gm puts together a Super team it's ok,But now the players have the leverage,everyone is crying!! When the Gm gets rid of you're favorite player it's ok,But when the Player decides to leave,he's should have stayed in a losing Organization and never Won anything🤷🏼♂️ok got it Rob!!
So does the term Big 3 not exist anymore? 1985 lakers, 90s Bulls, 1986 Celtics, 2008 Celtics, 2016 Warriors, even the Heat were all considered a big 3 then KD joined the warriors and made then a superteam. Now every body wants to call a team with 3 all stars a super-team besides The Nets. They’re a superteam
Chris is 10000% wrong. The players have power in the locker room and on the court. The gm has power in the locker room and in the office. Just do your job. Let's be real lebron pulled a weak move
Where’s the loyalty when teams trade players? Bron went to Miami to even the odds against the Celtics and Spurs. KD went to Golden State to stack the deck.
Is Chris serious right now? He went back to Cleveland because they had Kyrie Irving and the number one overall pick, which he knew could be used to flip for another Superstar. What a coincidence he joined another team with multiple stars on it just like he did with Miami. Then what happened? He went to LA, couldn't win by himself, didn't even make the playoffs and immediately traded all of the young and up-and-coming talent to get another top-five player. Btw those players he couldn't win with were BI (All Star), Lonzo (very good two way combo guard), and Josh Hart (solid spark off the bench). We seen this movie Chris, how can you defend it?
I agreed with you up until you said he ran to a great Miami team…while D Wade was coming off finishing top 3 in mvp the year prior…the 09-10 Heat went 47-35 and got bounced in the first round…you need some fact checkers cuz you don’t have too many in this comment at all
LeBron leaves every time he feels like his team can't compete, meanwhile Jordan Magic Hakeem Duncan Bird and Kobe all stayed on the same team no matter what. Any of them could have plotted to join with 2 other superstars, but moves like that were looked at as weak. They would rather lose than feel like they are cheating to win a championship...
@@oohsunchips So a player straight out of high school took a team to the finals in his third season, made muliple trips to the NBA finals, help his friends ( Rich Paul) get rich, being a good role model to his children without being in a lick of trouble underachieving? The Jordan fanboys will not quit. Larry Bird amd Kevin McHale got Bill Fitch fired, Magic Johnson got Paul Westhead fired, Jordan didn't want to play the triangle, are some examples of players flexing. Not a Lebron fanboy, i enjoy watching all great players.
@@charleswilliams6758 you are a fan boy bringing up off the court stuff im judging him on the court. I don't care if he's a great role model or helping his friends( even thou rich Paul has multiple clients losing money because of him) I'm judging on the he did get to the finals but left when got to hard to make his first of multiple super teams which ruined the league
@@knucklesaukuso5086 revisit that remark after curry gets that fourth ring this year with possible two peat to make 5…he us the reason everyone shoots 3s or did you not notice
@Ky Jelly bro there you go just because Steph beat LBJ 3-1, it's the way Steph won and how he did that will make LBJ better! Just think about Steph has 3 rings, 1 because kyrie Irving and Kevin love was hurt and 2 because of KD! LBJ 2016 championship overrides Steph
@@bloodsport-ct5rq if he gets his 4th ring LBJ is still ahead because he has and was finals MVP, 4 times! Steph is the best shooter ever, but LBJ is top 5 in point and assist, Steph curry is were!?!😂😂💯 Be for real
Are the GMs and team presidents ever held accountable for putting together horrible teams? You have instances of players that were needed traded from teams or teams not doing more to get players causing some teams to stay bad forever
But if u think about, when the warriors drafted steph and eventually drafted klay and a second rounder draymond green, nobody thought at that time that they'll win a championship. They worked together, improved their game, and created a system that suits their strengths. Same goes with the Bulls in 1987. Jordan had no help after getting swept by celtics with 4 HOFs. Mgmt only gave him 2 rookies as help. They developed with each other, got beaten by the bad boys for 3 straight years, learned from it, and when their time comes, they 3 peated. Look at Bucks with Giannis, Middleton and Holiday. Nobody thought they'll win a championship.
@@peterstark4562 i agree but in the warriors case they had the logo Jerry West where ever he goes winning follows. Jerry West and Pat Riley are considered best GM's or team presidents.
They cut the Iman's audio short. Right after that he said people are on his phone exposing how stupid owners and GMs are, and the dumb moves they make. They didn't play that part
@@victorpeoples883 Again, dumb logic. Using that logic, the champion in any sport would never have the ability to add players because they beat everyone else. When someone retires or leaves the team for any reason and there is a void to fill players see the culture and say, "I can play well with that team". which is common sense. People complain about because it is not their team or it negatively effects their team's chances, I understand why you don' like it.
Everything is always lebrons fault. The problem with the league is that too many people romanticize Jordan. These same people are allergic to anyone who comes close. Not only do they break out in hives but they also become toxic towards that player. The goal is to smother them with negativity so the comparisons cannot be made. That’s the biggest problem with the nba. Lebron stayed in Cleveland for 7 years and nothing was done. You (Jordan fans) judge players by rings, You set the standard. Don’t be butt hurt now that one player tried doing it in a legitimate way and then the others (KD) went and messed it all up. Lebron wanted a team to beat the Celtics. KD wanted to stack the deck. You fools have been sold a lie if you think it’s the same.
I have always said this. kG, Ray Allen all were older and got together at kind of end of their careers. And through trades they got together but KD and LeBron were weak moves. Shumpert was 100 percent right. Guys have to break it down look at the reality of Lebron's move to South Beach.
Chris & Rob both forget that Ray Allen went from Boston to Miami long before KD left OKC for Golden State. Also, what about Hakeem, Drexler, & Barkley in Houston...oh and what about the big 3 in Boston (Pierce, Garnett, & Allen)???
How can we have a conversation on this topic without it….for 7 years, after leading the team to multiple deep runs in the playoffs, knowing this team could use one more piece to complete the mission…and your GM sits back and does nothing to help facilitate that…you have to talk about it because it is true
100% correct. I've been saying the same thing for years: LeGM RUINED the NBA. Kobe Bryant was a better player and a better leader and a better representative of the NBA.
“Stack the deck” is the very phrase for this situation. He tried it in LA, and now it’s all coming down like Jenga blocks.
Facts a lot of people forgot that he thought PG and Kawhi was going to the lakers and he only ended up with AD
@@JamereOfficial And the Clippers turned out to be fool’s gold.
@@Aries73 facts they traded all their depth and draft picks to get PG 😂
😭🤣🤣🤣🤣
And they won the chip already people got there whole lives without winning or even getting to a chip as melo about it
If Kyrie wasn't in Cleveland, LeBron wouldn't have went back WHEN he did. Let's cut it out!
Bron is the one who said he went because of kyrie do your research and stop hating
@@DemonTime08 That’s what he said
Kyrie was there before Lebron returned and they were a 12th seed...and since Lebron Kyrie hasn't played beyond the 2nd Rd...it's been 4yrs...
Exactly , and he knew Wiggins could get him another star , he went back for both reasons
@@moneyman9295 he went for those reasons... But he could have went to other teams with young talent.. He could have joined with Durant, a proven star... Kyrie and love werent proven playoff performers yet
How they ask the callers but then talk over the callers🤣🤣🤣
Lebron has played with over 170+ players during his career, and counting. He stacked the deck, failed and ruined basketball.
Ben Simmons is being guided by LeBron and Co, Chris. All this comes back the LeFraud
The caller was right. If The Cavs didn't have what they had he wouldn't have went back
Right 20+ wins a season plus injuries was something to run too you and the caller wrong don’t speak for us
@@nicobean5064 it is not about 20+ wins dude. It is about the team has gotten better for Lebron to come there and trade some of those players that have values to formulate his own team on the Cavs
@@nicobean5064 he looked and said kyrie was better then D wade whos always injured that simple if kyrie wasnt their he dosent go back
@@Rushking20 he also knew they had the top pick and he wanted Kevin love for it and guess what he got love, the man isn't stupid
Kyrie don't even want Lebron back in CLE, he knew back then how toxic Lebron is.
Of course Chris missed the point, although Lebron played out his contracts after he went to Miami he and his agency “Klutch Sports” always made it clear he might not resign and then went to a year to year contracts. Thus making it hard for the GM to actually sign players because they knew he wasn’t staying. I’ll also add Lebron wasn’t thinking about “player empowerment” he just wanted to stack the deck for himself.
Chris always defend LeBron in some way lol
Lebron signed a 6 year contract in Miami what you on. Lebron and Bosh were both traded to Miami just like the Boston Celtics players were. It mad it hard to sign players in Miami because all 3 stars were taking the money not because he wasn't staying.
Stfu bro 😂
I’m all for the players because the organizations can get rid of whoever they want whenever they want but as soon as a player takes the power of his career into his own hands it’s a problem now?? So again stfu
Power to the players
So let me get this straight a GM didn't do his job because bron might not stay? Thats is a very dumb way of thinking as a GM you should always strive to bring in the best talents you can get so just in case your best player don't stay you can still contender its common since find another excuse that actually makes sense because what you just said made no sense
@@kapptinafrikaaah371 so I guess they don't build around players huh?
The only how Lebron's move ruined the NBA is because now you see star players quit on their team, when things ain't going their way.
He's the poster boy for quiting
Which LeBron never did. He left it all on the floor with every team he played for.
@@mazzb305 is that what happened in the last game when Dwight made him leave Cleveland?
@@mazzb305 He left it all on the floor in 2007, 2010, 2011, 2014,2017, 2018, 2021.
Gun shy in 2007
Owner said he gave up in 2010
We all know what happened in 2011
Ridiculously blown out in 2014
Gentleman's sweep in 2017 with 2 other all stars
Lied about broken hand in 2018- swept
2021- walking around the floor in defense while Phoenix was pouring it on L.A.
Just responding to your comment.
@@christiano2349 sad but has merit. I wish it wasn't so though.
When Lebron went to Miami he wasnt thinking about empowering players, he was only thinking about himself. So if we're going to say that he empowered players, we need to make it clear that it definitely wasnt his intention, and it was only a side effect of what he did.
Good thing we have u who lives in Lebron’s brain to give us his intentions 😒
Damn. I'm glad you had the inside track on what LeBron was thinking at that time. You got any other insight on what he's thinking after this contract is up??
@@TheyCallMeGator it's pretty obvious lebrons intention was to stack the deck so he couldnt be beaten. He really believed Miami would win not 3 not not 4 not 5....
@@mazzb305 these haters are mad bron didnt stay in cleveland and never win. they never make decisions for themselves in their own lifes so are mad at bron for finally doing it.
@@khalidahmed-qq1qw give me a team he stuck out with i'll wait..
The top 4 players in 2010 were Kobe, Bron, Durant, & Wade. Not only did Lebron join another top 4 player but he then added a top 15 player in Bosh. Lebron subsequently stacked those Heat teams with veterans. Wade wasn’t just a superstar. He was a superstar that had already won a chip before.
So Lebron had a championship teammate that could guide him on the journey to a chip. When Jordan won his first chip, he didn’t have a championship teammate to show him the ropes. Jordan had to figure it out on his own and people appreciate that journey. But Lebron took a shortcut by joining a championship superstar in Wade.
The 2008 Celtics did not have 2 of the top 4 players in the NBA so they were not the same as the Heat. The 80s Celtics were a superteam but they had to deal with other superteams at the time. The Early 80s Sixers, 80s Lakers, & late 80s Pistons. When the Heat Big 3 was assembled in 2010, there was no other superteam out there that was constructed like them. No other team had 2 top 4 players and a top 15 player. That’s why the Heat Big 3 was viewed as overkill.
Also those teams in the past were formed through drafts and trades. Draft picks are never a sure thing and trades are fair game in the sense that you have to give to get. Lebron was the first guy to form a super team via free agency and hand pick teammates in their prime to win, then KD one upped him. imo both Lebron's and KD's legacies should be knocked for those weak moves
Lies MJ had teammates from championship teams join him before his first chip
Wade was not above Dwight
@@luffyd.dragonslayer2954 lol yeah sure he did not
@@MrAntwun john salley from Detroit...1 in 89, 1 in 91 Jordan's first, 2 in early 2000's with Lakers
Skip Bayless is Happy ASF reading the title to this video ‼️🥳🎉😈😈😈😀😀😀😀
Skip is infatuated with LeBron James
Lebron told the Cavs if they don’t trade the #1 pick for love he wasn’t coming back!
Chris and rob are wrong!
So the second someone disagrees with y’all, y’all cut them off?!? Okay got it
They pretty as hell for that
Thank you Iman, finally someone came out and is not afraid to speak the truth. 🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯
Lol....so its okay owners aren't loyal, but players have to be 🤨
Iman put absolutely not an ounce of logic behind none of his arguments just made statements he believed to be true. Plus he sounded drunk throughout the whole interview he was talking straight nonsense.
Lmao casual
And Lebron cracked because of the pressure and ran to create a Superteam and then did it again in Cleveland and tried to do it again in LA. Remember that he was recruiting Kahwi to come play with him and AD after Kahwi won the chip. Then tried to get Giannis last year. Lebron definitely made it cool to take the easy way out.
And that’s why no matter how talented he is he’ll always be a fraud
He did not recruit Giannis wtf are you talking bout
@@TakinDubsShaq he definitely did ! U don’t know wtf u talking about bro‼️
This is facts. And people bring up the Celtics as the reason he had to leave like they were some unbeatable team. Didn't Kobe beat them in the finals? Didn't Dwight beat them in the Eastern conference?!?! They weren't the Durant Warriors. LBJ didn't want to thug it out and chose to play with 2 of the top 5 picks of his own draft class and depleted 2 teams in the process.
You missing the point. The gm got gasol for Kobe. Kobe was planning to leave the Lakers until they got gasol
@@smoothgent1011 No you're missing the point. The Lakers with Pau and Kobe were never a superteam. Lebron had to go form a superteam in order to beat his competition. Kobe and Dwight were able to dismantle the big 3 Celtics, so why couldn't Lebron? Isn't Lebron like the 2nd greatest player of all time behind Michael Jordan? He only wins by stacking the deck. And even so, he still finds a way to under perform. Losing 6 finals, what a shame.
I forgot Orlando beat Boston in 2009. Great Point.
Fisher
Kober
Ariza/Ron arrest
Gasol
Bynum
Odom
Phil Jackson as the coach
The Lakers had 2 all stars but they had a great supporting cast..... Most all superteams are beatable because the lack of supporting cast or the three players does not match well.
@@JailBr3ak3r77 in 2010 Kobe, gasol, Ron arrest was a super team. Ron arrest was having a great year with the rockets before he went to the Lakers
Mavs in 2011 made them pay for the, “it’s going to be easy” quote haha
Not really lebron just choked
@@NwoFresh no one was beating Dirk during that playoff run. It’s literally one of the most amazing feats in the history of the league. Show some respect.
@@RR-vu3ol cap. The Heat barely lost despite the fact Lebron underperformed.
@@zogood3495 Barely lost? It was complete ass whooping
@@zogood3495 uh you didn’t watch that series if that is your take away.
Heat Big 3 is like Kobe, TMac and Jermaine O’Neal teaming up from 03’-07’. Cavs Big was like Kobe playing with Marbury and Rasheed Wallace, but let’s just say from 08’-11’, Kobe going to Utah to play with D Will and Boozer. Then Bron getting AD is like Kobe in 2013 getting KG from 03’. Just think about it
T Mac, Kobe and Jermaine on one team, haha that be deadly. They easily break the warriors 73-9 record
Speaking fax !!
Facts!
All facts!!
Great analogies. Spot on.
I agree with the caller and I said the same thing! Kyrie was a young all star point guard and Cleveland had the first overall pick that could be flipped into another all star!
Lebron is great at controlling the narrative! He went to Cleveland thinking he could have a dominant scoring guard and all star power forward and try to get a younger version of what he had in Miami under the guise that he was just trying to make things right with Cleveland!
If Cleveland didn’t have Kyrie and the first overall pick, he never would’ve gone back!
Facts
Right!
My thoughts exactly
Alot of ppl miss this point! it's very obvious to half intelligent people who follow the game.
lmfao the Cavs wasn’t gonna do anything with Kyrie and a pick the pick was Andrew Wiggins; y’all hate Lebrun bc he great
That Celtics team isn’t the same. Those guys were at the end of their Prime.
Doc even said “our window is right now”
Lebron was 26
They were the same thing thats how they Won
Yet you same people criticize & critique Lebron every dribble in year 19 but the Celtics get a pass cuz they weren’t “in their prime”, Gtfoh lol
@@kjo2130 They were just as much in the primes as KD Harden and Kyrie are now.
@@kjo2130 It wasn't a free agent collusion....the Celtics traded good young assets - at the time - for KG & Allen....Pierce & Rondo were drafted....
I don't begrudge the Heat for doing what they did - it was within the rules - but I DO give them stick for underachieving....2 chips was the floor for that team, especially going through a weak East.
“Super teams” back in the day were organized trades and picks, today is different they don’t want to compete at all Like dame, Bron starts this bs and ruined the league! Jordan never left after being beat down by pistons he stuck it out until his team got better an they got Phil.
Sure some will say pistons and lakers got old, but it was Jordan’s turn.
MJ had no equal in the 90s second best player at his position was clyde drexler lol
@@kalix975 at his peak Clyde was a 27 6 and 6 guy with 2 steals a game.
@@sirjer73 clyde drexler also shoots worse from the 3 than westbrook, even though he played 3 yrs with a 22ft 3pt line, as athletic as he was no all defensive teams???
Today’s players are spoiled rotten and spoon fed
Pistons didn’t got old they were on their early 30s that’s just a bad excuse of how they got swept by jordan
Lebroussard got sensitive when they talk about Lebum 😂
hahaha lebum, what are you five? lejoke your life
This is what I learn about teamwork and the beauty of sport -> never abandon your team, to win and to lose together. The legacy is not about how many championship you have. It is about how you win it.
I always said, when Lebron leaves the NBA, it will go back to its competitive form again. Cant wait for that day
I always say Kareem Magic Worthy All Number 1 Picks...Very Competitove League. They went to 9 finals in like 12 Years. VERY COMPETITIVE.
He wants to stick around and play with his son.. so that won't be for a while.
Dude you're delusional and probably a raccoon too 🤡
I’m so ready for Lebron to exit for good. I been a Laker fan for 40 years and I hated when we got him
@@michaelbatts3691lol
Now Chris says its player empowerment. But when KD did it, he dogged him, like Lebron didnt start it.
They are different scenarios bro. 1 player said F a GM I'm the GM & formed his own squad, the other guy joined the best regular season team of all time who just so happen to beat OKC in the WCF.
@@369pendulum bs dude Fanboy : 😂😂😂 😂😂😂 😂😂😂
@@ojoj5194 So is that what NBA fans do now? Just call people fanboy or casual just because they don't agree? You lame bruh, I like KD & Bron equally so there's nothing to fanboy.
@@369pendulum you speaking facts
He never dogged KD. Did he?
Shannon Sharpe is up right now. Coming up with a argument for Bron. I like hearing Shannon but he defend Bron no matter what.
Wade had bad knees. Bosh was never Karl Malone and they had no bench.
This is what I don’t understand. He played his 7 years and left in free agency. Isn’t that exactly how it works? What does Lebron have to be defended for? He didn’t do anything wrong.
just like skip defending his cowboys even though they not going nowhere anytime soon.
@@tntcrewEJ no one cares he left. It’s that he started joining up with top players
@@1stnamebr406 bro Wade was a top 3 player when they formed. Bron wouldn’t go to Miami if Wade was injured.
I'll say this if you pick your team (stack the deck as they say) as a player and you don't run the league your legacy is ruined because you can't have a stacked team and it underachieves. If you recruit multiple hall of famers or all stars and you don't dominate it's a failure. You have no excuse outside of injury as a reason you didn't win it all all the time. That's the risk of building a superteam you better be super.
90% of nba champs had a stacked team no matter how it’s put together. U guys r goofy 🤪
@@bigibb Not true. Many teams have won organically without stacking the deck.
@@thisiseliasm4645 yep. That first Curry-led championship is an example of that. So are the Bucks from last year.
@@thisiseliasm4645 name 5 and I’ll shut up! But MJ, Magic, Bird all had staked teams. Multiple hall of famers. Maybe came together different but the same result
@@bigibb 1.Isaiah Thomas Pistons 2. Hakeem Rockets 3. Tim - Duncan Spurs 4.Chauncey- Pistons 5. Dirk - Dallas Mavericks 6. Giannis - Bucks 7. Kobe - 8-09 Lakers 8. Dwade - 06 Heats all won organically so stop capping for LeDaddy.
The problem with Chis' logic is - *where do you draw the line* ? Once you open that can of worms by players stacking the deck, then you can't back track and say Miami superteam is OK but Warriors' superteam is not OK. Why is one OK and the other not OK?
The other problem is that he tries to compare superteams in the 1980's to superteams today. But in the 1980's there were only 23 teams in the league. There are 30 teams in the league today, and most of them aren't very good. When players stack the deck in today's league they further dilute the talent pool of the average and mediocre teams because good players usually only leave franchises that are mediocre or average for better situations.
Because one was 3 all stars and one was 4 all stars secondly the Miami heat system still had to be built, warriors system was ready made for kd to fit in , no time spent to figure out or build anything, huge difference lol
@@thejonesbass nah lol no amount of your excuses can refute his point lol you fanboys are hypocrites simple as that
@@thejonesbass wow one more all star. Excuses.
When the Heat formed a lot of analyst had them breaking the Bulls record of most wins in the season.
The only reason the Heat gets a pass is because they lost. So people thought they weren't that good.
The warriors won and dominated like the Heat were supposed to
I certainly agree with your point the slight difference is basically the entire Warriors team was drafted. When KD sighed there they became pretty much unstoppable.
@@thejonesbass draymond is an high class star, he’s not a superstar….GS had a big 3 and great role player in Dray
He went back to Cleveland after a loss. If he woulda went after a win I'd give u that but when they lost....he ran
Ran away from the grind.... again lol
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 ran away again when KD gave him a taste of his own medicine. Looks like he might run again too after this season 😂😂😂
Exactly
i agree and can't forget that, he left wade and bosh after losing in 2014 finals and Pat Riley was doing everything he can to help lebron win titles unlike Dan Gilbert then lebron just ditched Riley and the heat organization to form his new big 3 which is pathetic and weak
Dan Gilbert was helping LeBron, he was giving LeBron the players, was firing/hiring coaches left and right and was going over the salary cap for this dude. It was LeBron who COULDN'T lead the team to win multiple championships. Dan Gilbert did his part, LeBron didn't. The team was winning 60 plus games in multiple seasons and had a coach of the year, maybe LeBron just wasn't the guy everyone said he was. And if Dan Gilbert gave LeBron no help and was a supposed "rascist" and "plantation owner", why did Lebron go back to play for the man in Cleveland in 2014? LeBron is full of it with his narratives, truth is he's a Scottie Pippen who can't win without a Jordan type player who can lead or close out games.....PERIOD!!! That's why the Lakers look like they do now, no closer or leader on the team to bail out LeBron. LeBron thought AD or Westbrook would bail him out this year but it's not working out, so he's getting EXPOSED. Don't be surprised if LeBron take his ball and run back to Cleveland since the team is playing well now, leaving the Lakers in shambles....SMH!!!!
KD does NOT go anywhere without LeBron stacking the deck and creating a super team. LeBron groupies hate this fact.
This has always disqualified the guy
Tell me what championship teams didn’t have a stack deck as y’all like yo call it.. I’ll wait oh what the 2011 mavs who had a magical run
Again get out of your slave mindset that the owners are the only ones who can move people around the players make up the NBA he worked out his contract the owner was not able to sell him he moved on his own and went where you wanted to go and I am not a LeBron fan if the owners can trade you with you not even knowing and you hear it on TV then you should be able to go wherever you want to go it's just like slavery they have to be able to get something for you when they trade you to another plantation LeBron went to the plantation of choice
the issue isnt that Lebron left. its that he joined up with a top 5 player, and another top 15-20 player. If he had went to a better run organization few would be angry at that.
Yup. And like these guys said, KD basically just one up what Lebron did by joining an already established championship pedigree team.
But people are acting like that has never happened before not to mention there is no loyalty in the NBA and he was a free agent the only problem I have is that he shouldn't have made it into a television special
@@flyguy7825 were talking about a player (arguably considered a GOAT) in his prime choosing to join forces with his competitive peers in same conference . Lebron left and joined 2 other all stars which effectively weakened 2 teams. From a strategic point it was smart but from a legacy point it stood out as a weak move.
@@mellol1628 How is it weak went He gave all he could at that time to the Cavaliers and they still weren't getting over the hump and winning a championship what he did was acknowledge the fact that he can't do it by himself and decided to join a team that was serious about building a championship roster it's not like the dude won the championship every year he didn't even win at his first year with the heat this whole how he ruined the NBA would have some type of validity to it if LeBron won the championship every year which he didn't
@@flyguy7825 he quit on the Cavs ! He’s the one that underperformed in both series against the Celtics & left when adversity hit !!! Had he played how he was suppose to play he would’ve beat them
In all honesty lebron should have more rings with as many times as he's been to the finals his record shows he relied too much on other stars when he should have been the one taking the last shots
He has the most game winners in nba history, most in the playoffs. You act like the GS warriors never existed
Name ONE Finals other than the Dalas series where LBJ wasn't the best player on his team -_-?
You cannot say he relied too much on teammates when he was clearly the best player on his team. And you're talking about last shots, which last shots you talking about that cost him a Finals series?
Lebron is not a closer. Hes never been
@@tashied422 LMAO
@@tashied422 i hate lebron but if im u i would delete this comment bc ur wrong
Yes, I strongly feel LeBron mess up the league too. What he did kind of makes the essence of Draft useless. The Drafting idea was to mainly balance things up and allow general competition.
Caller was 1000% right, and I remember when it started too. When Kyrie won all-star mvp. Bron was on the bench salivating, you could see it on his face. Same as when he went to check out lonzo ball in summer league, then all of a sudden kyrie wanted out. He knew bron was leaving the same way he left miami for him, and he didn't want to give bron the satisfaction. Obvious as the day is long, and I'm not even a Kyrie guy.
Facts. I remember that all star game too.
Really? Really? LeBron didn’t go to Summer League to watch Lonzo Ball play. You need a fact checker….Kyrie asked for a trade before the 2017 draft.
@@rayking2396 You're wrong. Kyrie asked for a trade after the draft. He did it because he learned that the Cavs were trying to trade him behind his back before the draft.
There was a 4 team trade agreement between the Cavs, the Pacers, the Suns and the Nuggets. Kyrie was about to go to Phoenix and PG13 to the Cavs. The trade fell through at the last moment because the Pacers wanted more draft picks.
That was the reason why the Cavs fired David Griffin.
Kyrie left a championship team and hasn’t been a champion since
@@lemarjewell9713 And? Has nothing to do with the point.
I like how everyone forgot Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett got together to beat Lebron first. Then Lebron said, ok yall not going to get me any help. Well Pat Riley will.
But they were trades and in their 30s,they won one ring then started getting hurt,they weren’t in their primes like free agent Heat 🤡
@@Ninjersey1 they weren't washed up either. Dem boys were ballin. An let's not act like Dan Gilbert wasn't treating Lebron like a cash horse. Lebron was bring in tickets and business for the city of Cleveland and that's all that owner cared about. So if the owner and the Cleveland organization wasn't going to maximize Lebrons potential he needed to leave and work the system himself.
To beat bron ??? What did bron win before they put the older celtics together??? Answer this 2009 mvp 60 wins #1 seed loses to a 3rd seed Magic, 2010 mvp 60 wins #1 seed loses to the 4th seed celtics, 2011 creates a super team loses in the finals to the mavs as the favorite ! He was coming up short so he wanted what he thought was a sure thing when he joined Miami 💯
@@barronswilley2171 it wasn't a matter of what bron won at that time. In order to advance to the finals and win a chip. They would have had to go through Lebron FIRST. So this would have gave the C's the best shot at a title. Paul Pierce wasn't beating Bron by himself. This is probably why he hate Lebron so much.. he figure he'll I would probably have a couple of titles if it wasn't for him. I swear yall haters can act like Lebron was no big deal. He is the only player I can recall teams assembled to beat him.
@@Ninjersey1 it doesn’t matter it happened and they had say so and agreed to go there
This aint news, ppl already know lebron ruined the nba. Why u think ppl are waiting for him to retire?
Who is waiting for him to retire? Name them.
Couldn’t agree more. He’s also the face of the league flopping like someone snipped him & complaining to change calls whenever he wants. The face of the nba should not be doing such pathetic antics. This dude is 6”9 250 all muscle flexing on the gram but he’s always on the floor 🤦🏻♂️
@@TheLarryjohnson187 I can't wait for him to retire. So tired of his ass.
@@jeffreyyoungblood7438 you're a nobody. I bet you watch most of his games.
@@TheLarryjohnson187 I watch to see him get beat 😅
How did lebron ruin basketball by going to Miami ? They wasn’t dominate like many people thought . Lebron lived up to his part but honestly after year 1 wade/bosh declined every year . He didn’t ruin basketball , if anything he changed every basketball player life after him with what he did .
That's how the sports world viewed at the time and with good reason , besides going to 4 straight finals is pretty damn dominant to me
@Beery you bring up 1 year and they played 4 together lol . What about bron the other years in the finals ?
Rob Parker never makes sense
I gotta be honest I loved player movement when it first started. I liked seeing players take control of their careers and do what they wanted but it is so out of control now it has killed the whole culture of repping your team and city because each year it's just a new batch of mercenaries on the roster. The contract don't even mean anything anymore and forget buying gear with your favorite player on the back because the first time he gets in his feelings he will want off the team. It's just not that enjoyable to watch anymore. When trade rumors are at the top of every NBA conversation that tells you the state of the league.
Truth hurts, glad you can accept it.
Loyalty was a part of the game at some point. I know the owners and GMs can always make moves, but every team had their guy. At least it felt like that. I do miss those days. It is almost like teams don't even matter anymore.
Superstar players have always left their team Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Barkley, this is not a new thing 😂
Kobe was planning to leave also
Today’s players tho are extremely spoiled
TRUE!! Dominique Wilkins, Atlanta Hawks. Michael Jordan, Bulls. Patrick Ewing, Knicks. Hakeem Olojuwan, Rockets. Every team had their heart and soul player back then that everyone associated with. Even though all those players I named played with different teams their last year, they will always be know by their "original" teams.
@@zacharygodfrey874 they never left and joined other stars in their prime,it was always organic with other teams
The problem with stacking the deck and putting together super teams is you're expected to win more than 2, so the 2 out of 4 by the Heat was a failure and us fans don't give that team any props. Just like KD's 2 rings on the warriors are 💩. Remember, respect is earned.
TBF...THAT Warriors team would’ve won 3 in a row if KD doesn’t tear his Achilles...they lost in 6 games without KLAY AND HIM...That Heat team underachieved WAY more...they were only dominant in ONE Finals....and got SPANKED in two others....!
A failure??? Lol
@@dparks2856 for what it said it set out to do...by their own standards?
You could argue that...yes.....you would HAVE to say that they underachieved at least...
@@twilitezn Heat team would’ve also won 3 is DWade could play at his prime level
Broussard is wrong. The first caller was completely right.
He knew kyrie was there and was a 20+ ppg scorer and he knew he could get Love who was a 25 and 12 player at the time
He honored his contract & he made a team. KD joined the very team he couldn’t beat that was already made. He put the power in the players hand. They hate different that’s the thing. It’s no blueprint that you have to follow.
The Cleveland Cavaliers didn't put the right pieces around LeBron. He became a free agent and went to Miami. What's the problem here???? 🤔
Amen to that
OKC didn't put the right peices around KD. He became a free agent and went to GSW.
@@azwanazmi1484 The difference between the two is that OKC had the right pieces around Durant. KD (up 3-1) choked against the Warriors and then decided to joined them. For that he lost more respect than any player in history in my opinion. Just saying.
@@sunrise6702 KD spent 9 years with one organisation before becoming a free agent and then rightly chose a team which would help get him that first championship at the cost of their bench. The biggest haters are the Lebron fanboys who criticised the move as weak while praising their King for joining forces with allstar friends in his prime and winning only 2 from 4. Had Lebron stayed in Cleveland the first time he ends his career like Karl Malone.
@@azwanazmi1484 I see that the truth hurts your feelings. It's ok
Who was Bron side kick first go round in Cleveland. Name a lottery pick that he got who was good
Booby Gibson carried Lebron
@@LahMountainChannel 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Kareem demanded a trade from Milwaukee!!!!!!!! Cut it out. Kareem wasn't drafted by the Lakers!!!!!! Dennis Johnson wasn't drafted by the Celtics.
5 teams made it in the 80s!!!!!!! Facts!!!!
"Not 5.. not 6.." u know damn well if Wades knees didn't go out he would've stayed in Miami. That caller was on point
Exactly...they got clapped by the spurs and he saw miami was stuck with cap troubles so he dipped back to cleveland
@@mus176 he's a runner he's a track star he gonna run away when it gets hard
He didn't went back to CLE to win a chip with Dellavedova, these bronsexuals are utterly delusional. MIA was done and he saw an opportunity there to form another super team with Kyrie and K Love. Jumped teams again when the CLE boat started to sink. Fake Goat. 🐑🐑🐑
Lol 😂 the caller was right Chris the puppet was in is feelings Lebron did see kyrie was a superstar and he left his best friend wade to join Kyrie I 💯 % agree with the caller
what if chris would've said "you're wrong and here's why"? 😅
@@TheMegatron673 lol same energy
Lol right Lebron would've never came back to Cleveland if Kyrie wasn't there so he seen a good situation where all he had to do was add one more star and then he could compete for a chip
@@henrydorval7487 he would’ve still went back in my opinion but we will never know
@@SW-sf5vw Yea only if the situation was good he just came off 2 chips with Miami and that formula of the big 3 worked over there even tho they underachieved so it make sense for him to bring that same formula to Cleveland not be in the same position he was in his first 7 years there
Phil, you're wrong sir. I didn't run to hop on the best team on the playground. I just played the game. Secondly, we're not million dollar athletes neither. And that's the point Chris, LBJ and KD are on another level and they both took the damn easy way to not be Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley. They too the easy way out because it was expectations for them to win. They're both weak and their 6 Chips combined won't stand up against Jordan 6.
Please don't give me another "bad for the game" argument taken from these talking heads. No team or real fan of any basketball team is thinking about the game, every team in all sports try to get the best players available all the time, they want to win every game and never loose, what are you talking about. "You play to win the game". Let's let the other team have him so we can lose some games and make it fair. Nothing in life is fair.
But that’s not what iman was trying to say tho , 😭 how they tryna put it like it something . Iman and rob is different ways of saying he ruined basketball
Bron did the right thing to leave the Cavs, but really it’s what he actually did after leaving. He could’ve gone to any other team, but he decided to form a Big 3 super team in Miami with Wade and Bosh and all three of them were in their primes. Eventually that backfired because of KD took his blueprint and perfected it
💯 big 3 promised 8 chips and got 2
@@comedianbradfowler can’t be on the top 5 if you’re looking for the easiest way for a chip and avoiding competition. That’s why some people including myself and some of his own teammates think he ruin the league
They both were weak
KD joined a drafted team. If KD did what Bron did then Kd would have convinced Kawhi, for example, to go to the Warriors with him
@@dimitries kd joined a 73-9 team that already won a ring a team that he was up 3-1 on and then joined them … that’s like lebron joining Boston in 2010 after the Celtic put him out .. he was going up against Ray KG Rondo and Pierce .. 4 legit all stars
The difference Broussard is that unlike the 2007 Celtics and 2004 Lakers, the 2010 Heat was one of the first times we’ve seen superstars in their PRIME team up. Other teams put rosters together with ageing stars.
Exactly
KG wasn't past his Prime. He won DPOY. Stop the Cap. Pierce was still Ballin. Rondo was in his Prime as well.
Facts..and none of the celtics big 3 was on the same level as bron and wade when they were teamed up by the celtics org..rondo was an unknown draft pick that the celtics developed
@@pratman4158 wade was way past his Prime. His body was breaking down. He wasn't even top 10 no debate
@@dominiquetall5511 wade was 28 and bron was 26 when they teamed up..plus wade was top 5 in the mvp race prior to their teamup but ok😆😆
Funny how they mention Jordan and Giannis sticking with their team and won but doesn't mention Curry before Durant and he signed an extension with the team that drafted him but the beginning of the season they were saying if Curry wants to win he should go to another team.
"Miami was exciting, Golden State was bad for the game" - Chris "Klutch Sports" Broussard. What a damn joke.
Golden State built their team generically the drafted and developed players acquired free agents who were not under contract hence the term free. Every team in all sports want the best players they can get, they want to win every game, and win the championship every year. That is what you want, do you ever go into a game and say lets loose today so that it will be competitive? No that is the other team's job to be competitive. Let's not take Durant so that it will be a level playing field, you be good enough so that someone wants to come to your team.
@@kgar5String no he's clearly talking about adding KD was bad for the game! 73-9! Kd up 3-1 to gsw and choked, GSW up 3-1 to clv and choked!! 😂😂😂 Then they join up, if you don't think that's bad you don't know basketball, but if you think what LBJ did is bad! You definitely don't know basketball 🤣🤣
@@bishopbad373 Again, no such a thing as bad for the game when you have done nothing illegal and/or unethical, it's almost comical to think that any player and/or team is thinking I can't go to that team because they are too good, it would not be fair to the other teams. Every team always try to get the best player available the same for the player the best team available, talking heads just need something to talk about and fans are mad it is not their team.
@@bishopbad373 Please don't give me another "bad for the game" argument taken from these talking heads. No team or real fan of any basketball team is thinking about the game, every team in all sports try to get the best players available all the time, they want to win every game and never loose, what are you talking about. "You play to win the game". Let's let the other team have him so we can lose some games and make it fair. Nothing in life is fair.
Did it ruin the game no.. it changed the competitiveness of the league and it ushered in the AUU mentality of the best players team up to try to win instead of beating each other for a championship
That is ruining the game, that's not real basketball. Then they wonder why the ratings are down. Nobody wants to see players jacking up threes all game and not playing defense and the big man game becoming non existent.
@@lirpa2300 all that happened with influx of European style of play.. spacing the floor and jacking up unnecessary 3's I agree.. I can barely watch the NBA now.. I watch the Warriors because of their style of play.. but every body else is unwatchable... I'm old school I grew up on 90's NBA.. so I get what you are saying..
@@edwardfisher9930 same here and I’m 30 years old
@@lirpa2300 it’s watered down truthfully
@@dreamcage1801 facts.. it's no real rivalries .. the TV coverage sucks.. the media always talking about Lebron.. I miss the NBA on NBC.. I miss old school rivalries.. I miss competitive playoff series that didn't last 3 weeks..
Why Lebron? What about KG and Ray Allen?🤔 OR what about EVERY OTHER BIG STAR THAT WENT TO THE LAKERS (SHAQ, JABAR ETC...)
Ray Allen played in Milwaukee and was traded then he jumped ship. Shaq sign his fist big deal it was a money move not to have easy wins and get to the finals. Jabar had won a Championship and got picked up by the Lakers who drafted all their top players. Lebron built his rosters in Miami and Cavs to get easy wins.
@@milfmuncher6962 excuses bro. Just admit you hate LeBron and will say anything to make him look bad
@@milfmuncher6962 LeBron didn't build the Heat team,Wade did cause he where the one that came up with the ideal for Bosh and LeBron to joint him to beat the big 3 Celtics players,Pierce,Allen and KG and they did that.But let's blame LeBron for everything.Shaq played on 7 teams chasing rings including the Cleveland's team with LeBron but at that time he were washed up but no one talk about that,not even Shaq.
It's called holding the team accountable. The Cavs drafted Lebron and sat on their laurels while he made them bank with Mo Williams as his running mate. Players are judged on accomplishments while teams are judged on revenue and those interests don't always align like they should. The media has a hand in this too, constantly saying it don't mean a thing if you don't got a ring
One of the biggest gripes I have with this show is how the always cut off the callers while the callers try to get their points across then say the callers aren’t trying to listen and this is their show. I love the show but I hate that.
That's more of a Rob thing. He can't stand someone disagreeing with him.
Going 2 for 4 on the Heat…Lebron’s legacy will never live that down. Ever.
What? Lol
I agree with Chris. If you don't want players taking that much control, fine. Owners and GM's should do a better job putting teams together. Why shouldn't players take matters into their own hands when front offices prove that they don't know what they're doing?
Because you get no props puttin together a all star team and beating scrub teams. Like how do you even have a sense of accomplishment when you’re not even beating the best player of your generation because they’re on your team as your teammate
@@kant5696 The problem with y’all logic is you’re basically rating players based on how good their organization builds teams. Which isn’t fair to the players.
Bron second best player was mo Williams nuff said
Rob has a lot of bad takes he's stuck to over the years, but this is the only one that I agree. I don't hate Lebron for doing it, as I think he was just trying to empower players....... but now it seems like only a few players seem loyal to a franchise and same with the franchise towards its players. Shumpert saying he knocked down the 4th wall couldn't be better said. Smart business move by Lebron, but ultimately bad for the NBA brand with fans.
He was empowering himself he wasn’t worried about nobody else lol
Bro y’all silly fans don’t know that the cavs betrayed him first. One of his teammates slept with his mom. The owner was talking reckless behind his back. Like u don’t betray a player like that y’all supposed to be family. Do not say the Miami heat were a super team dwade was towards the end of his prime and Chris Bosh got bloodcots those players were not durable dwade was hurt a lot during those years. They went 2 of 4 in the finals. Lebron left and joined a bad team who didn’t make the playoffs and took them to the finals 4 straight years quit hating enjoy greatness
@@mzach2828 FKN EXCUSES!!! STOP IT. SMH
@@melvinhhcp3615 not excuses just facts. The organization drafted nobody good while he was there. They were complete garbage. And lebron still took them trash ass Boys to the finals at age 22 get tf outta here u hate but its greatness no matter what u think
@@mzach2828 You're lying. Bum had multiple #1 ranked 60 win teams before he went to Miami. This is documented facts.
They brought up Damian Lillard and Giannis but the media pushed for Giannis to get traded before he won and still trying to push Dame to leave.
Not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6.
Just 2. 2 in 4 years. Under achieving ass “super team”.
That's 1 less than Kobe and Shaqs Lakers and they were together for how long??? Don't be subjective.
@@TheRealDillPickles
Someone missed the point.
I don’t believe Kobe & Shaq ever publicly and arrogantly said they were going to win 3, 4, 5, or 6 championships on national television.
So your comment is irrelevant.
Move along.
@@TheRealDillPickles they won 3 outta 4 times while having to compete w/ the dynasty Spurs & dominate Kings …. Bron Neva had competition in the East & struggling in the west now but Bron fans used to bash MJ n Kobe for getting knocked out the 1st roun now look
@@blakeblakeyblakely1434
Not only that, but LeBrons fans will bring up how LBJ “needed” to form a super team to beat the Celtics aged Big 3.
However, LBJ fans forget that Kobe and Pau beat those same Celtics teams. Even a Dwight Howard led Magic team beat those Celtics without even needing another superstar teammate.
But LeBron “needed” two top 10 players to get over the hump??
Laughable
@@dropoff2986 Still the 2nd greatest player of all time go cry about it
Finally we get someone who makes the point how Lebron’s decision came back to bite him in the ass when the Warriors with KD took 2 likely titles from him. He paved the way for KD to do what he did which was to have the balls to join a team that no one wanted him to join. Lebron made it fine because the media changed up and put Lebron on a pedestal after his run with the Heat. Unfortunately, that same luxury wasn’t going to be given to KD because he is the biggest threat to Lebron as the best player in the league (Curry will be the new face of the league).
Exactly ! Lebron stans should be forbidden to speak on any other player creating a superteam. Straight hypocrisy
@@MR.__G So the Sixers can tank for years overcharging thier fans for tickets, parking and concessions while Lebron, who completed his contract obligation should play for an inept owner who was just satified by having a full area? I am a old head and past tired of the Jordan fanboys who will take a shot any chance they get. They said the same thing about Curt Flood. His so called friends would not even support him in his cause for player empowerment. Every pro athlete is in debt to Curt Flood for having the chance to carve their own path because he is the father of free agency. The media was on him like they are in Lebron. Not a Lebron fanboy, i have an appreciation for all great players.The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Lakers built their dynasties by fleecing other clubs making their superteams for decades.
@@charleswilliams6758 what does that have to do with what I said ? Lebron fans should be quiet when another player decides to do what he did multiple times.
@@MR.__G Lebron doesn't cut paychecks or contracts the owners do. No player forces a owner to sign anyone. Pat Riley signed Lebron James in Miami, Dan Gilbert in Cleveland, and Jeanie Buss in LA. Like I said the Jordan fanboys will not quit. They hated on Kobe after he won his fifth ring just like they are doing with Lebron now.
@@charleswilliams6758 again what the heck does that have to do with his fans & not complaining when another player does what Lebron does ?
are you really comparing Jordan and curry from what lebron did stop it this is why Chris gets on my nerves alot of times
Michael Jordan has the best team in the league around. They were always the favorites. It's not like he carried scrubs to rings. Let's be objective now. And don't even get me started on those Golden State teams.
@@earlthepearl6414 Jordan helped bring that franchise up from the mud… big difference ! He was the main catalyst in that & everyone pitched in their contributions as well. Jordan helped create a dynasty the same way Duncan did for the Spurs.
@Beery bronsexuals forget that Miami was the pre season pick to win the champion all 4 years & only left with 2… & one of things rings came down to the most clutch shot ever by ray allen
It was a lame analog. What they did was on the court, not in backroom deals.
@@earlthepearl6414 Here’s the problem, y’all look at the results but not the process. Jordan wasn’t gifted all star talent, he had to cultivate it out of his teammates. When we look at guys like Pippen, Armstrong or Grant, they came to Jordan as rookies 0 NBA experience, when we look at a Paxson, he was a bench player averaging 6ppg in SA. Just because Jordan got the best out of these guys it’s not like he was given an advantage. And the reason why his team was the favorite was because nobody was crazy enough to bet against him and he showed why, that’s what it means to be the best.
Bron killed the competitive edge no doubt
real easy to talk like that when you know you’re not getting back into the league 😭
Kobe won back to back and he didn’t have to leave to join no super team , once again he’s never brought up in conversations unless it’s about him winning with shaq , it’s ridiculous
Facts
That’s because the organization went and got him Pau Gasol and a very reliable Lamar Odom or did we just forget that they existed…??? Kobe fans 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
@@rayking2396 Gasol was 0-12 in the playoffs before Kobe. Odom barely became 6MOY towards the end of his Lakers career. He only had 2-3 good seasons in L.A.
Kobe threatened to leave LA twice.
@@melvinhhcp3615 U can’t go talking about how much they won before and after. Bc what did KLove and Kyrie win before and after LeBron? What we’re their playoff records? I’ll give U a hint (KLove never made the playoffs).
Funny how Iman, said so many things about Lebron. How great a teammate, leader, plays the game hard and the right way every day. They picked this little part to talk about. It's like a Recruit took a job. He had to work there 5 years before he could transfer. After those five years were over. He's leaves for a better running company, which pays more and has better coverage and benefits. At this point if a person wouldn't do that. He's just DAF.
Also the part they took was taken out of context lol
I agree with iman & it wasn’t a negative statement it was saying he showed ppl the truth
Then say he ruined the power structure of management vs players don’t say he ruined basketball like he got all the players to shoot to get fouled or something like thag
This dude is a below average role player who gives a damn what he said he can grow up all over again and he still wouldn't have the talent of a LeBron James
Right. As in he "over turned the apple cart" versus messed up the league in a negative way. That's how I took it
@@SwaggerIsAVirtue that may be true in a sense, but it still doesn't negate the fact that now if you don't put one these teams together, you basically aren't even competitive, not to mention contending for a title. There are about six to eight teams that are even worth the price of admission to watch for 82 games. Broussard's idea of what's "exciting" is skewed to say the least, and subjective. Over 2/3 of the league's teams suck, and they are priced out of the free agent market, so unless more players like Giannis show some amount of loyalty to an organization, we are stuck watching crap, until the conference finals, or maybe the semi finals. The best thing this year is watching the Lakers flop, trying to buy another title! Lebron started the trend!
@@flyguy7825 so he can't have an opinion because he was a role player, but you can denigrate him on social media, and you never played in the NBA at all, and your opinion has more merit? Is that what you're saying? His talent has nothing to do with his opinion, or the subject!
This argument is soooooo trash. The 80's were dominated by the Lakers and Celtics with LOADED rosters.
Yall swear Chris Bosh was soooooooooooo great. Both of them(wade) were hurt during that run.
The how is the corniest argument ever.
Player empowerment ruined the NBA? Nah. You know what ruins the integrity of the game? Players not finding out that they were traded until watching ESPN or scrolling through Twitter. The hand check ban that was officially instituted in the 2004-2005. The hand check ban allowed players like Steve Nash to go from all star to MVP. The hand check ban paved the way for more perimeter play that some find boring to watch.
All of aa sudden you now have short memories. Don't worry I got you covered. Lebron James said in Miami, not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven, eight. That's what he said before he ran his azz back to the only team that the NBA could pass him on. And he got lucky, and a couple of things went his way, like the Draymond Green getting suspended, their center getting hurt, abd after that they won their very first championship. Chris Brousard, and Nick Wright, and Shannon Sharpe, wasn't expecting that the Golden State Warriors was about to acquire Kevin Durant, and go on to sweep the Cavaliers the next year. Proving that was a good move to improve the team, and also proved Rob Parker correct. Lebron got man handled by Kevin Durant twice in the finals and Lebron James didn't won't no smoke, supposed to be the best player in the world, and prove he wasn't. What else do I need to say.
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dumb statement here kevin durant manhandled who??? dude gsw had curry and klay at full strenght ure biais
Like kyrie and love got hurt in 2015 🤷🏿♂️
Facts, LBJ did ruin it.
How did LeBron ruin the league when he was playing by the rules set forth by the league?
You really don't see how he destroyed the level of competition in his favor. Im still waiting for 5 or 6 or 7.
@@torhowell5202 no I don't see it. Maybe I would be able too see it had he won 5,6,7. There has been 8 different teams to win championships since he went to Miami. You won't find that many different champs in any 10 year period in NBA history. That doesn't seem like ruining the game to me.
Chris is wrong about Lebron giving his all before he left. He quit when he first left Cleveland and when he left Miami.
True. He also quit when he left Cleveland the 2nd time.
@@melvinhhcp3615 yeah he quit after he gave his all!! 🤣🤣 He didn't quit why not giving his all! Every time LBJ kept it solid
@@melvinhhcp3615 he quit when he left clv the 2nd time after bringing their 1 and only championship 🤣🤣 you people are delusional
LeBron is the reason the biggest reason the Heat didn’t 3 peat, he literally got outplayed by Jason Terry & Shawn Marion while Wade averaged 26 in the 2011 finals 😭
I always find it fascinating,when the Gm puts together a Super team it's ok,But now the players have the leverage,everyone is crying!! When the Gm gets rid of you're favorite player it's ok,But when the Player decides to leave,he's should have stayed in a losing Organization and never Won anything🤷🏼♂️ok got it Rob!!
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacts.
Because when the prisoners run The asylum its anarchy lol. They dont care about facts unless its Lebron hate
So does the term Big 3 not exist anymore? 1985 lakers, 90s Bulls, 1986 Celtics, 2008 Celtics, 2016 Warriors, even the Heat were all considered a big 3 then KD joined the warriors and made then a superteam. Now every body wants to call a team with 3 all stars a super-team besides The Nets. They’re a superteam
I don't know what Rob was talking about. I played hi school and college and the coach always tried to stack the team. Not many Lillards
@brian fuller Obviously you never played ball at any level. Stick to tidily winks
Chris is 10000% wrong. The players have power in the locker room and on the court. The gm has power in the locker room and in the office. Just do your job. Let's be real lebron pulled a weak move
Where’s the loyalty when teams trade players? Bron went to Miami to even the odds against the Celtics and Spurs. KD went to Golden State to stack the deck.
Is Chris serious right now? He went back to Cleveland because they had Kyrie Irving and the number one overall pick, which he knew could be used to flip for another Superstar. What a coincidence he joined another team with multiple stars on it just like he did with Miami. Then what happened? He went to LA, couldn't win by himself, didn't even make the playoffs and immediately traded all of the young and up-and-coming talent to get another top-five player. Btw those players he couldn't win with were BI (All Star), Lonzo (very good two way combo guard), and Josh Hart (solid spark off the bench). We seen this movie Chris, how can you defend it?
None of those guys have won though and he on the their had did.
I agreed with you up until you said he ran to a great Miami team…while D Wade was coming off finishing top 3 in mvp the year prior…the 09-10 Heat went 47-35 and got bounced in the first round…you need some fact checkers cuz you don’t have too many in this comment at all
LeBron leaves every time he feels like his team can't compete, meanwhile Jordan Magic Hakeem Duncan Bird and Kobe all stayed on the same team no matter what. Any of them could have plotted to join with 2 other superstars, but moves like that were looked at as weak. They would rather lose than feel like they are cheating to win a championship...
Dude. Get lost. Give LeBron Phil, Shaq, Horry, Fisher, Rodman, Pippen, Kerr, Kukoc, etc... Get lost.
Jordan quit 2x and Kobe threatened to leave the lakers
@@ValiantVisions314 he'd underachieved just like in Mami 😅😅
@@oohsunchips So a player straight out of high school took a team to the finals in his third season, made muliple trips to the NBA finals, help his friends ( Rich Paul) get rich, being a good role model to his children without being in a lick of trouble underachieving? The Jordan fanboys will not quit. Larry Bird amd Kevin McHale got Bill Fitch fired, Magic Johnson got Paul Westhead fired, Jordan didn't want to play the triangle, are some examples of players flexing. Not a Lebron fanboy, i enjoy watching all great players.
@@charleswilliams6758 you are a fan boy bringing up off the court stuff im judging him on the court. I don't care if he's a great role model or helping his friends( even thou rich Paul has multiple clients losing money because of him) I'm judging on the he did get to the finals but left when got to hard to make his first of multiple super teams which ruined the league
Steph could arguably surpass both in terms of winning and equal impact on the game
No, he can't. Lmao
Don’t ever talk basketball ever again
@@knucklesaukuso5086 revisit that remark after curry gets that fourth ring this year with possible two peat to make 5…he us the reason everyone shoots 3s or did you not notice
@Ky Jelly bro there you go just because Steph beat LBJ 3-1, it's the way Steph won and how he did that will make LBJ better! Just think about Steph has 3 rings, 1 because kyrie Irving and Kevin love was hurt and 2 because of KD! LBJ 2016 championship overrides Steph
@@bloodsport-ct5rq if he gets his 4th ring LBJ is still ahead because he has and was finals MVP, 4 times! Steph is the best shooter ever, but LBJ is top 5 in point and assist, Steph curry is were!?!😂😂💯 Be for real
Are the GMs and team presidents ever held accountable for putting together horrible teams? You have instances of players that were needed traded from teams or teams not doing more to get players causing some teams to stay bad forever
There not for some strange reason.
But if u think about, when the warriors drafted steph and eventually drafted klay and a second rounder draymond green, nobody thought at that time that they'll win a championship. They worked together, improved their game, and created a system that suits their strengths. Same goes with the Bulls in 1987. Jordan had no help after getting swept by celtics with 4 HOFs. Mgmt only gave him 2 rookies as help. They developed with each other, got beaten by the bad boys for 3 straight years, learned from it, and when their time comes, they 3 peated. Look at Bucks with Giannis, Middleton and Holiday. Nobody thought they'll win a championship.
@@peterstark4562 i agree but in the warriors case they had the logo Jerry West where ever he goes winning follows. Jerry West and Pat Riley are considered best GM's or team presidents.
They cut the Iman's audio short. Right after that he said people are on his phone exposing how stupid owners and GMs are, and the dumb moves they make. They didn't play that part
If loyalty is that important and you're a role player just sign for less money but add a no trade clause idk
Chris and Rob underselling how great that 2013 Heat team was. You don’t win 27 games in a row unless you are an all time great team
Lebron would never go to a team who just beat him in conference finals yr before that’s just unreal unheard of who does that 🤣🤣🤣
With that kind of stupid logic nobody can ever go to the champion because they beat everybody. People get mad because your team can't win.
Yea beat the champions not join them go anywhere else but there
@@victorpeoples883 Again, dumb logic. Using that logic, the champion in any sport would never have the ability to add players because they beat everyone else. When someone retires or leaves the team for any reason and there is a void to fill players see the culture and say, "I can play well with that team". which is common sense. People complain about because it is not their team or it negatively effects their team's chances, I understand why you don' like it.
Everything is always lebrons fault. The problem with the league is that too many people romanticize Jordan. These same people are allergic to anyone who comes close. Not only do they break out in hives but they also become toxic towards that player. The goal is to smother them with negativity so the comparisons cannot be made. That’s the biggest problem with the nba. Lebron stayed in Cleveland for 7 years and nothing was done. You (Jordan fans) judge players by rings, You set the standard. Don’t be butt hurt now that one player tried doing it in a legitimate way and then the others (KD) went and messed it all up. Lebron wanted a team to beat the Celtics. KD wanted to stack the deck. You fools have been sold a lie if you think it’s the same.
You said what needed to be said!
Amen I've never understood the KD LeBron comparison the situations were different. They've been conflated and the narrative has ran amuck since.
Thank you. These people reall tryna say this man ruined basketball. His team literally betrayed him in the playoffs series.
You are a smart man...reading this was very pleasant
@Beery lol its called...youth, ego and confidence...he said right after that i THINK we can win multiple championships.. thats very normal to have
I have always said this. kG, Ray Allen all were older and got together at kind of end of their careers. And through trades they got together but KD and LeBron were weak moves. Shumpert was 100 percent right. Guys have to break it down look at the reality of Lebron's move to South Beach.
Chris & Rob both forget that Ray Allen went from Boston to Miami long before KD left OKC for Golden State. Also, what about Hakeem, Drexler, & Barkley in Houston...oh and what about the big 3 in Boston (Pierce, Garnett, & Allen)???
Great points but ppl will over look this comment because there is no Lebron hate lol
LeOverated All Time definitely ruined hoop…he ain’t top 10 all time…one trick pony
Can we have a legitimate conversation on this topic without mentioning DAN GILBERT at all, and the role of SHITTY OWNERSHIP in the NBA
Thank you, bad organizations must have fault too
How can we have a conversation on this topic without it….for 7 years, after leading the team to multiple deep runs in the playoffs, knowing this team could use one more piece to complete the mission…and your GM sits back and does nothing to help facilitate that…you have to talk about it because it is true
100% correct. I've been saying the same thing for years: LeGM RUINED the NBA. Kobe Bryant was a better player and a better leader and a better representative of the NBA.
Bron played w/ Wade Bosh AD Kyrie & Love in their primes & only got 3 rings n a bubble
Lbj didn't start the super team era, he started the NBA Mercenaries era
Damn I just realized that Chris won’t shut up when Rob talks.
Chris is horrible at this. If Kyrie wasn’t there, he never would’ve went back there.
Facts he’s a Lebron puppet just like nick Wright
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