@@romaromasalad112 at the funeral its said that herb was celebrating surviving cancer, but then crashed into a peanut truck and died. Cuz he had a peanut allergy
"You do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around, that's what it's all about." Aaron Paul is a national treasure for being able to deliver lines like that so sincerely they can pass as genuine wisdom.
I know right? I went in very dubious. But once I got to the part where he interrupted Diane at the Ghost Writers conference to ask if he was a good person, I know it was something special. That part made me cry, and eventually I figured out that Bojack wasn't a hero...and the fact that I saw myself in him wasn't a good thing. And I changed thanks to this show.
One of the MANY pities is that Bojack was told several times how lucky he was for being known for Horsin' Around and how many people who grew up watching it still love dearly as a comfort in their lives, and it never sank in.
@@PFMediaServices I wonder if Bojack ever understood the gravity of it all. Take note this is the guy that tries every single time to be relevant and popular and NOT be seen as some washed-up 90's actor famous for that ONE comedy show his own mother doesn't like. Imagine the lengths he went through just to get to play Secretariat, or Philbert, or write an biography. He DESPERATLY wants to be seen as something OTHER than being that guy from Horsin' Around. He so wants to be known beyond that that he got way more what he bargained for and only around the end that he realized he'd be more remembered as the guy who let Sarah Lynn die. Horsin' Around is to Bojack Horseman as what Rosebud is to Charles Kane (of Citizen Kane): they realize too late that their greatest treasure is with them all along and their pursuit of higher things made them lose those treasures forever. To Bojack, Horsin' Around just becomes "Around" as people won't want to watch that show due to the scandals he got himself into, to Charles Kane, Rosebud was destroyed by the administrator of his estate upon his death for being... junk...
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Bojack was never ignorant to anything, he just put his needs over others. He was in a constant state of performance and never turned it off. He always wants to have the funny zinger and treated ppl like a studio or studio audience. This is 50% his upbringing 50% stunted growth, but all n all, Bojack was aware how he was acting and what it was doing, but never stopped to see if doing it in the first place would actually effect someone
I mean he was probably told 10 times more that horsin around was garbage and he should be ashamed of it being the thing that defines his legacy, I imagine that would stick just as much if not more (whether its true or not).
You know: it’s sad how Bojack regresses in the second interview, especially since at the end of season 5, he actually wanted to be held accountable for what he did to Gina
I think the reason for the intense backslide was because being "taken down" by someone you trust who will listen to your side of the story while still calling out your wrongdoings is very different than what happened in that second interview. Not saying that Bojack's actions were all sanctioned, but her lens frame was also a little offkilter on some of them so that she could have a specific story told which just pissed him off until he retaliated.
@@yourlittleinsomniac5369 dude some of the things she brought up were way *wayyy* worse than she knew about. and with the way he acted after the first interview he deserved being exposed for everything.
The second interview victory didn't sit right with me because Biscuits had been pressured by Paige - a woman who didn't even care about the people Bojack hurt. The victory would've meant more if Biscuits called him out on the first interview.
@@lukerosales5879thats the concern tho is, paige did only use info she was given. What was on the record. I think it matters more when the reporter ks the one asking the victim. The victim in that case can choose to talk. Diane sticks up for women who want nothing to do with her or her reports arguably ignoring what the victims want and pushing harder. Biscuits to my knowledge didnt even bring up Gina, allowing her the peace and freedom she wanted from bojack. If Paige didnt care she would have roped Gina back in, but she didnt. Cuz i feel she very easily could have used it. And gina thrived in her new movie role. Biscuts could have grilled bojack for lying about the abuse and covering it up if she didnt care and only wanted to slander him
@@Kat-ov9dubiscuits didn’t bring up Gina because nobody outside the crew of the show knew that he actually hurt her, and Gina herself wanted to pretend nothing had happened so Bojack wouldn’t haunt her career for the rest of her life Officially, there’s nothing for Biscuits to talk about on that front. It would just be baseless conjecture.
Another sad thing about Bojack's last conversation with his mother is when he asks if she can taste the vanilla ice cream, it breaks her illusion as she was never allowed ice cream as a kid (it's a boys' snack).
@@CheziahKatt I’m pretty sure she got like one lick and then yeah she dropped it. Even if she did eat it though she probably would’ve forgotten what it tasted like eventually even if it was something she remembered for a while
She doesn't know how to describe it, only that it's "delicious". Similarly she never knew happiness or contentment just that it was pleasurable because others seemed so.
god, it’s so clear seeing the parallels between bojack and his father, especially when his father tells him to keep quiet about the jack and coke in the exact same way bojack tells penny and her friends to keep quiet about the bourbon.
Even though in the second interview with Biscuits: the way she presented Bojack’s actions is definitely different to how we saw them play out in some places, it still does a good job at making the audience think twice about how we have condoned his actions through the entire series
The point is, both interviews were manipulated. The first one to get sympathy, the second one to get hatred. The truth lies in the middle. He's not a victim, but he's not a Machiavellian serial abuser either.
@@fishraposo7192He sort of is though. Despite maybe his intentions not being horrible, like Diane said there is no deep down. You just are the things you do. Maybe he didn't mean to manipulate these people but in many cases he most certainly did. Bojack is evil, and it would be hard to ever have him recover and get better from that because his past mistakes will, and probably should, haunt him forever.
Whatever the true nature of their relationship -- platonic, romantic, one-sided -- I honestly feel that Herb was the love of Bojack's life. He never had a better friend, who loved him as he was and only wanted him to do well.
unfortunately bojack is straight, but herb no doubt had feelings for him, since he literally kissed him. so imagine how much it must have hurt when bojack completely abandoned him.
Idk why but I absolutely love when show creators give their characters definitive birthdays. It's always been a nice bit of basic info that I like to know about characters.
I completely missed the part when the rehab therapist called out Bojack's internalized racism by pointing out his lack of healthy relationships with other horses. This series really is worth rewatching more than once.
I've watched the show many times and still find new things about it. I actually somehow totally missed that they actually show the part in the show where Judah talks to Charley Witherspoon about merging and him declining the merge. When that came up in Season 4, I thought it happened offscreen.
I didn't get that bojack is brown until an ex pointed it to me, that's why when he dates Gina or Anna, maybe even Wanda he's also dating POC. It seriously adds a layer when you see the racism
@@purrrrrrrple wanda is played by lisa kudrow... I mean... I don't think the animal people are supposed to be an analog for brown/black people? Are they??? How is she a poc
Rewatched the series twice. Seeing a second time is a must, especially after watching the finale season. You see that Biscuits was right when she interviewed him. He did have power over people, especially women. He became a soft-spoken self-pity version of his father. He had chances to be happy and change for the better but choose the opposite. People can change if they want to, maybe with nothing but the only people who decided to stick by him he will.
probably the reason he doesnt like mr pb since he is an equal. If you're looking at it this way, BJ disliked basically everyone with equal or more power in their relationship except kelsey who he treated like some mother-figure
I think biscuits was always supposed to be a wake up, she's a good journalist confronting a bad person, and that shows the audience in a third person view who they're rooting for
My head canon is that Erica is a squirrel woman and its just an elaborate joke about how Mr Peanutbutter, a dog, keeps getting distracted by a squirrel.
@15:06 I like how they made it look like Butterscotch was killed by the critic in the duel, but then reveal he just tripped and hit his head on a rock. They do that a lot in this show
yup, like how herb didn’t die of cancer, he got better. then got hit by a truck, which he also survived. but the truck was full of peanuts, which he was allergic to, so he died of an allergic reaction😭
Bojack's balloon flying around in times where he's losing his mind clearly shows that "he's come untethered" omg. I never noticed before until you watch some of these clips back to back
Can we note how Butterscotch put such mixed veiws of Beatrice into Bojack. Blaming his mom for alot but then saying shes a good mom for "teaching you that" Like being a bad person has its merits in a way.. almost justifying the behavior..
I just finished the episode and really liked the ending that was put with it. The timeline series is complete and while i don't know if there are others or plans for others, i wouldn't be mad if this was a standalone series for Bojack. It feels like it has its own place with the break down of the show.
@@LilithsCosmicLounge Were given 1 single memory from Bojack that states what my comment was about. And we dont know how frequent those typse of memories are, so its probably say to assume that it wasnt often. But by the very notion you speak about the same fuckin thing can be said for his parents. If they had the resources to go to therapy aswell but didnt, then are they not also to blame for the outcomea that are a result of bojacks actions? Not directly, sure. But we also know beatrice wasnt gonna love anyone the way her mom did with crackerjack. That much was for certain. So it probably didnt mean much that buuterscotch was his dad as opposed to aomeone else, beatrice wasnt going to love him the way he needed. All that being said, dont take any of this as me obsolving bojack of his choices, thats not what im sayin.
Love your videos, Johnny! Did anyone else assume when we saw child BoJack drinking was it was NOT his first time? He doesn't make a face or spit it out or cough or shudder. He seems used to it. That really stuck with me, for some reason.
I always assumed that Beatrice or buttercotch spiked his bottles as a baby, it was pretty common back then and I can see either doing it when he was crying
I was thinking about this... It was one of those things that hit me as off on the first viewing. It was the youngest we'd seen him drink, but we'd also seen his first cigarette: coughing, eyes watering, the visceral reactions anyone makes when they aren't used to such strong vice. But in that scene, he's an even littler guy, and sips right out of the bottle without a fuss or a real pucker, and (successfully) climbs up to sleep as close to in her arms as he can. It was maybe the first drinking to stop feeling lonely, maybe, but it definitely didn't feel like a First Drink in how it was shown...
Agreed! Especially given that we do see his reaction to his first cigarette, and I think anyone who tried hard liquor straight knows it is not something most children could drink smoothly like that their first time.
You know, something I've always thought was funny about Bojack not defending Herb like he said he would, if he had his popularity would have went up, and he would have been considered an amazing man. Creator herb kazazz threatened to be fired for being gay, but television star BoJack horseman stands up for his friend and his right to equal love. He would have had it all, especially in modern-day.
@@castaway2850 no I get what you mean. Also by the way I know he wouldn't be well like to the public opinion but in the lgbtq community he would possibly still survive the '90s / early 2000s. But as he reaches modern day more people will appreciate him sticking by his friend and it would in the being beneficial to his career in modern day.
I just realised this but this scene 8:27 is heavily inspired by a painting called Soir Bleu meaning Blue Evening. It features a number of characters but in the middle of the whole scene there is a sad clown smoking a cigarette melancholically. I think this clown represents Bojacks character perfectly. They are both performers whose vacation is to entertain people, make them laugh, make them happy and yet they can't even cheer themselves up. The scenery is almost exactly the same and Beatrice even calls Bojack that he is a clown. I love the fact that as you go through life and learn new things you can come back to your favourite shows and they still find a way to surprise you.
First of all, its amazing to have the whole story of Bojack’s all in order, and second of all, its so weird but seeing the whole story of the show without really focusing on the other characters almost made it felt like its bojack recounting it, only acknowledging things that bojack himself acknowledged in the story. Really a masterpiece after all your work on bojack Johnny, huge congratulations for real 👌😁
This video is so funny cuz its like “Bojack lets a young child drink vodka in a dressing room and is callous and uncaring as a father figure to her, an impressionable person who he later sleeps with…also Todd starts a new business!” Seriously tho, love your videos man. Thank you for still making BH content this show lives in my head rent free
12:18 i just realized that the reason bojack’s fridge is filled with lemons and sugar here is because we’re watching beatrice’s flashback. he was eating so unhealthily that she couldn’t envision the foods, so she imagined the “healthy girl snack” she ate growing up. omfg i love this show
We don't see a lot of Herb, but from what we do see is that he was so good to the people around him. Fame changed people so fundamentally and he always looked out for this actors and encouraged them. It's so sad that Bojack had a genuine found family and lost it because he clung to fame so desperately.
I'm only about an hour and 30 minutes in but hearing about bojacks road to recovery as been truly inspirational as hell, makes me really hopeful for the future. A show hasn't even done that to me- even feeling it by just a summary is so weird
The ending of Bojack is really poetic. Some people thought it was a cliffhanger and disliked it, but Bojack's story wasn't meant to just end. He was set up for a potential better life and his most important relationships were either concluded or left open to still continue with a different dynamic because of how everyone has changed. The point of Bojack Horseman is change and growth. The differences in the theme song slideshow thing encapsulates this perfectly. Todd's hokey pokey speech was, in his silly way, also incredibly poetic.
I think it really speaks to the shows writing that you can deliver the names, details, and events of this show with a relatively deadpan delivery and the jokes are still funny
I really like these retrospectives on Bojack Horseman. I can definitely see why it was such an influential piece of media... while also confirming that I would hate actually watching it. Just not the sort of media for me! But I respect what the creators have to say about all sorts of hard topics.
I started getting into the show at the worst part of my depression right before I was able to pull myself out. I feel like part of it saved me. Especially the view from halfway down speech. I feel like I relate to all of the characters in some way. I actually started watching Bojack because of some of your other videos so in some way you kind of saved me. Thank you
Commenting mostly for their algorithm, but I just want to say that I really appreciate you putting in the effort to make these timelines and good quality videos! Hope you're doing well, fam!
I don't have the words to describe how much this show means to me. It's not really a show I rewatch a lot, but simply seeing analyses of it, and watching my favourite scenes brings me such joy. It makes me emotional, whether that's happiness, sadness or something in-between. I love it a lot. Thanks for making these videos, man. You always help me see things in a way I wouldn't have otherwise.
Yes it has officially finally arrived! and the wait was definitely worth it thank you so much Johnny you've given us the greatest timeline video on your channel yet!
Thanks to everyone that put this together. I ended up not finishing the series after a couple because it felt extra draining to have to wait for seasons and then go through the emotional Rollercoaster that was everyone on the show. I'm gonna check the rest of it out and handle its twists and drops better!
An interesting moment. In the 1st time “don’t stop dancing” the lyric is “don’t stop dancing until the curtain falls” = this is when the show ends for this production, as in the 3pm show is done but the 7pm show is still coming. In the 2nd time it’s sung the lyric is “don’t stop dancing till the curtain call” = this is the final performance of the show. Sarah Lynn’s death performance is the final show
Johnny, my guy, you have outdone yourself. I’m so glad I found your videos after my first BoJack run and each time through now they help me get a little more out of the episodes. Thank you for all the hard work!!!!
Honestly if i ran into a bojack horseman character in my life I would probably be exhausted after just 1 year . It wasn't easy seeing Todd get hurt like that and princess Carolyn deserved so much more after what she's been through, her ending was very satisfying i was very happy for her
I'll be watching this video repeatedly from now on while washing the dishes and cleaning my house, or other activities that'd be boring without something like this video to listen to. Thanks, man
One moment you're convinced this is the best written show ever and the next you hear "Bojack believes he's being attacked by Todd's s*x robot - turned company president Henry Fondle"
Funnily enough, something I've noticed is people in my life who turned out to be incredibly toxic never wanted to watch this show with me. They claimed it was "too sad" and "triggered their mental health issues". Which is valid, but it makes me wonder if being shown their own actions through the lense of animated entertainment is too difficult for some people.
I watched maybe one or two seasons of Bojack, but I always had a feeling that it was the kind of show you feel changed after watching. Watching the timeline of Bojack’s life, it doesn’t ever feel like a character. It feels so real and so raw. And I would be lying if I didn’t say that I wasn’t in tears by the time the video was over.
if only the writers of bojack horseman would have known from the start what an amazing masterpiece this would become…and the way it would touch people.
You are responsible for me watching the show, I heard other positive reviews but stumbling upon your videos has been 98% responsible for all views I've given the show. And I'm just gonna rewatch this a million times, thank you.
7:01 No wonder Herb felt so betrayed he put his dream and ass on the line for Bojack and when it mattered just like Charlotte said Bojack became a coward and didnt have it in him to stand up for his friend that made his dream possible. Really good to know I always enjoyed this show so much but didnt see some pieces like this critical one.
23:26 i also noticed that his drug trip started to get weird and hallucination-y after splashing his face with water. before they take the drugs, dr. hu tells them not to get wet. the crazy trip and hallucinations seen by bojack could be a side effect of him getting wet
I just noticed that Butterscotch makes the jab about the secretary not refusing to get an abortion when that’s exactly what happens with Henrietta later on
man I've been going through it lately, but your videos always always make me feel better man, not matter how many times I rewatch, I love that you're still making bojack content, it's literally the best content out there. love you.
This might be my favorite show ever. I relate to Bojack in many ways. I know that’s not a good thing. It’s just reality. Moral is we all can grow and get better everyday and work past our traumas 🖤
This is one of my favorite TV series of all times. Bojack is a lot like my father and he helped me understand that his behavior towards me isn't my fault.
Johnny, you are a master of your craft. Switching between narration and the dialogue from the show the way you do. Superb. Your content is comprehensive, thought-provoking and revelatory.
God damn it, I thought I could finally get through the ending of Bojack without crying. I was doing so well. But then you just had to throw Mr. Blue at me, you bastard.
Imagine if Bojack and herb actually hooked up, imagine what his love could have done for bojack instead of all the women he failed with, Plus if you really think hard about it? Herb loved him very much, enough to even help him improve, and when Bojack screwed him over and made things awkward and eventually making Herb hate him it showed that Herbs heart was truly shattered and his love in turn; became hate, sadness, and misery even regret. I will never forget his line after their convo when they reunited “Now Get the f*ck out of my house” for someone who cared so much ended up caring so little because of Bojacks actions many years later really hits hard tbh
I love these videos, I was young the first time I watched the show, and the second time I binged it, so a lot of the events seem to be mushed together in my brain, like I swore the rock opera happened after some of this stuff, but it was actually quite early on and I keep confusing the girls' order because there are so many of them, it's neat to notice stuff like that in these recaps, it makes me want to rewatch the show again to see what else I missed.
Same. My parents were similar to his except my dad was better educated but unfortunately never recognized in the literary world, he ended up ghost writing for lesser known celebrities and athletes, he also taught English and was an Army CO in the Vietnam war.
I've been thinking about why at the dinner party, the guests ignore BoJack when he asks what's on the other side of the door. It's not because they're dodging the question or being malicious, it's because BoJack already knows what's on the other side of the door, he's just desperately hoping for someone to either confirm or deny his suspicions. It's like when someone is in a really bad accident or something really bad happens to someone you love. You already know that the worst happened, you just need someone to verbalize it so your brain can process it. Because otherwise, you just have an empty conclusion. It's brilliant how this show captures grief and how one processes devastating news.
Thank you for making all of these timeline videos. I love this show with my whole heart, but after finishing it one time I find it really hard to do it a second time when you can see all the red flags coming. Having these videos though is a great way for me to revisit without the emotional toll I get from watching Bojack make the worst decisions ever. These were all amazing and while I'm sad they're over, they were nice while they lasted. Again, thank you and your team for making these. I can't wait to see what else y'all do~
Charlotte’s view on Las Angeles makes so much sense when Bojack jumps in the pool and goes through the dinner scene and sees all the black tar in The View from Halfway Down
this series ia my absolute favourite on your channel, I've watched every timeline so many times there's a few I can quote verbatim. had to watch this over 3 sittings its a video masterpiece
I LOVE your Bojack Horseman videoes! I did a paper on Bojack and character transformation for media studies at university and watched your videos for inspiration 😁
man the ending for him is so fucking fitting he was a horseman that never deserved a single second chance yet got them over and over and over and finally when he nearly dies and is given a second chance at life he isnt redeemed hes not the good guy now but hes changed hes trying and he actually seems genuine
Who wldve thought an adult regular show cld have such a deep message about mental health, toxic people in their lives and accountability cld put in a show about horses and other animals. Definitely one of the best shows I ever seen.
I’ve made massively selfish and poor decisions, and hurt those around me with no redemption in sight….just as BoJack did. And now I have turned myself around. My hope for you out there who may feel like I do, love yourself, and be a better person.
I can't remember where I first saw it pointed out, but Beatrice's pause before calling the ice cream "...sweet" was because she'd never had it before. Bojack obviously didn't know but it's incredibly sad how the one happy memory he can try to conjure for her is so far off from how she was raised.
your videos are literally the reason i watched bojack horseman in the first place, and it changed my life the first time i watched it.. this show is one of the best ever, and your channel is aswell. BRO IM ABOUT TO CRY,,, YOU,,, YOU,,,, AUGH.... YOU RECITED,,,,, THE LINE,,, FROM FROM FROM THE SONG...... HELP...,,
Thank you so much for all your bojack timeline videos! I have loved each and everyone one of them! Getting to the end of this one made me tear up, it honestly was a perfect ending to the show
I love the bittersweet cautious hope of the finale. Yes, Diane is potentially leaving for good. Yes, Todd is there, but farther away than he ever was before. Yes, Hollyhock is gone and may never come back. Yes, Bojack’s life is potentially damaged beyond repair. But just like Diane’s kinsuki metaphor, that doesn’t mean his life is done. It’s damaged, it can never go back fully to the way it was, but it can be put back together. Bojack still has PC who will never represent him again, but who clearly desires to be his friend and who will be there for him-as a friend. He still has Mr. Peanutbutter who has ALWAYS wanted to be his friend and who honestly may have been one of his true friends throughout the whole show, even if Bojack didn’t initially realize it. He’s discovered a love for directing and he remembers how much better his life was while sober, even if the pain was sharper. There’s no concrete certainty for Bojack’s life going forward but there’s something he rarely had throughout the entire run of the show: hope. And that means so much. ❤
Hearing bojack say “get cancer jerkwad” as his first conversation with herb is so crazy
LITERALLY.. IT WAS SO JARRING
Funny enough Herb didn't die of cancer. But still it's a neat reference.
@@TinyGreyOwl source?
@@romaromasalad112 at the funeral its said that herb was celebrating surviving cancer, but then crashed into a peanut truck and died. Cuz he had a peanut allergy
@@romaromasalad112 Herb's funeral episode.
"You do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around, that's what it's all about."
Aaron Paul is a national treasure for being able to deliver lines like that so sincerely they can pass as genuine wisdom.
Wait, Todd is voiced by Jesse?!!
@@varietygaming33 they are very similar as well
I am guessing we need to protect him
I mean it kinda is genuine wisdom
@@varietygaming33”Todd, we need to cook Todd…”
i never knew that a show about a talking horse would manage to be a thought provoking masterpiece
You clearly haven't seen Mr. Ed
@@sirefirefly Holy shit
The mlp fandom is quaking (dw I’m a brony)
I know right? I went in very dubious. But once I got to the part where he interrupted Diane at the Ghost Writers conference to ask if he was a good person, I know it was something special. That part made me cry, and eventually I figured out that Bojack wasn't a hero...and the fact that I saw myself in him wasn't a good thing. And I changed thanks to this show.
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One of the MANY pities is that Bojack was told several times how lucky he was for being known for Horsin' Around and how many people who grew up watching it still love dearly as a comfort in their lives, and it never sank in.
That's how it goes, some people can get their roses all day long, but some people have noses so stuffy they can't smell them
Didn't he acknowledge that a few times, finding that those adoring fans wouldn't want anything to do with the "real" him?
@@PFMediaServices I wonder if Bojack ever understood the gravity of it all. Take note this is the guy that tries every single time to be relevant and popular and NOT be seen as some washed-up 90's actor famous for that ONE comedy show his own mother doesn't like. Imagine the lengths he went through just to get to play Secretariat, or Philbert, or write an biography. He DESPERATLY wants to be seen as something OTHER than being that guy from Horsin' Around. He so wants to be known beyond that that he got way more what he bargained for and only around the end that he realized he'd be more remembered as the guy who let Sarah Lynn die. Horsin' Around is to Bojack Horseman as what Rosebud is to Charles Kane (of Citizen Kane): they realize too late that their greatest treasure is with them all along and their pursuit of higher things made them lose those treasures forever. To Bojack, Horsin' Around just becomes "Around" as people won't want to watch that show due to the scandals he got himself into, to Charles Kane, Rosebud was destroyed by the administrator of his estate upon his death for being... junk...
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Bojack was never ignorant to anything, he just put his needs over others. He was in a constant state of performance and never turned it off. He always wants to have the funny zinger and treated ppl like a studio or studio audience. This is 50% his upbringing 50% stunted growth, but all n all, Bojack was aware how he was acting and what it was doing, but never stopped to see if doing it in the first place would actually effect someone
I mean he was probably told 10 times more that horsin around was garbage and he should be ashamed of it being the thing that defines his legacy, I imagine that would stick just as much if not more (whether its true or not).
You know: it’s sad how Bojack regresses in the second interview, especially since at the end of season 5, he actually wanted to be held accountable for what he did to Gina
I think the reason for the intense backslide was because being "taken down" by someone you trust who will listen to your side of the story while still calling out your wrongdoings is very different than what happened in that second interview. Not saying that Bojack's actions were all sanctioned, but her lens frame was also a little offkilter on some of them so that she could have a specific story told which just pissed him off until he retaliated.
@@yourlittleinsomniac5369 dude some of the things she brought up were way *wayyy* worse than she knew about. and with the way he acted after the first interview he deserved being exposed for everything.
The second interview victory didn't sit right with me because Biscuits had been pressured by Paige - a woman who didn't even care about the people Bojack hurt. The victory would've meant more if Biscuits called him out on the first interview.
@@lukerosales5879thats the concern tho is, paige did only use info she was given. What was on the record. I think it matters more when the reporter ks the one asking the victim.
The victim in that case can choose to talk. Diane sticks up for women who want nothing to do with her or her reports arguably ignoring what the victims want and pushing harder. Biscuits to my knowledge didnt even bring up Gina, allowing her the peace and freedom she wanted from bojack. If Paige didnt care she would have roped Gina back in, but she didnt. Cuz i feel she very easily could have used it. And gina thrived in her new movie role.
Biscuts could have grilled bojack for lying about the abuse and covering it up if she didnt care and only wanted to slander him
@@Kat-ov9dubiscuits didn’t bring up Gina because nobody outside the crew of the show knew that he actually hurt her, and Gina herself wanted to pretend nothing had happened so Bojack wouldn’t haunt her career for the rest of her life
Officially, there’s nothing for Biscuits to talk about on that front. It would just be baseless conjecture.
Another sad thing about Bojack's last conversation with his mother is when he asks if she can taste the vanilla ice cream, it breaks her illusion as she was never allowed ice cream as a kid (it's a boys' snack).
This is really sad
She did eat ice cream though, when her mother was crazy drunk
@@crazyadri5079 1, that was a popcicle. 2, i dont recall her actually eating it, didnt it get knocked away?
@@CheziahKatt I’m pretty sure she got like one lick and then yeah she dropped it. Even if she did eat it though she probably would’ve forgotten what it tasted like eventually even if it was something she remembered for a while
She doesn't know how to describe it, only that it's "delicious". Similarly she never knew happiness or contentment just that it was pleasurable because others seemed so.
god, it’s so clear seeing the parallels between bojack and his father, especially when his father tells him to keep quiet about the jack and coke in the exact same way bojack tells penny and her friends to keep quiet about the bourbon.
omg i never realized this
I think the way his dad died is also indicative of how Bojack self destructs in the face of criticism
Bojack and Beatrice are both reflections of their fathers in the worst way possible
Even though in the second interview with Biscuits: the way she presented Bojack’s actions is definitely different to how we saw them play out in some places, it still does a good job at making the audience think twice about how we have condoned his actions through the entire series
some of the things weren't as bad as biscuits made them out to be, but others were far, *far* worse than she knew.
Yall were condoning his actions?!?
The point is, both interviews were manipulated. The first one to get sympathy, the second one to get hatred. The truth lies in the middle. He's not a victim, but he's not a Machiavellian serial abuser either.
@@missbookworm29 Some people were back when the show first ran.
@@fishraposo7192He sort of is though. Despite maybe his intentions not being horrible, like Diane said there is no deep down. You just are the things you do. Maybe he didn't mean to manipulate these people but in many cases he most certainly did. Bojack is evil, and it would be hard to ever have him recover and get better from that because his past mistakes will, and probably should, haunt him forever.
Whatever the true nature of their relationship -- platonic, romantic, one-sided -- I honestly feel that Herb was the love of Bojack's life. He never had a better friend, who loved him as he was and only wanted him to do well.
No
@@fabo.5040 You’re denying their feelings towards a characters relationship?
@@fabo.5040Elaborate. If you dare
unfortunately bojack is straight, but herb no doubt had feelings for him, since he literally kissed him. so imagine how much it must have hurt when bojack completely abandoned him.
@@FuckTheUA-camUsernameChange I've never thought of this before but it makes so much sense. Now I feel dumb AND more upset
Just finished watching a 5+ hour Bojack retrospective video this morning. Now I get to watch this 2 hour timeline. Yay.
It almost feels like Schaff & Johnny orchestrated their videos to come out a week apart lmao
Same
I assume the 5 hour video was from Schaffrillas productions
LMAO IK WHICH ONE YOURE TALKING ABT
bojack videos from schaffrillas and johnny2cellos in one week… what is this a crossover episode?!
Idk why but I absolutely love when show creators give their characters definitive birthdays. It's always been a nice bit of basic info that I like to know about characters.
I completely missed the part when the rehab therapist called out Bojack's internalized racism by pointing out his lack of healthy relationships with other horses. This series really is worth rewatching more than once.
I've watched the show many times and still find new things about it. I actually somehow totally missed that they actually show the part in the show where Judah talks to Charley Witherspoon about merging and him declining the merge. When that came up in Season 4, I thought it happened offscreen.
I didn't get that bojack is brown until an ex pointed it to me, that's why when he dates Gina or Anna, maybe even Wanda he's also dating POC. It seriously adds a layer when you see the racism
@@purrrrrrrple wanda is played by lisa kudrow... I mean... I don't think the animal people are supposed to be an analog for brown/black people? Are they??? How is she a poc
@@purrrrrrrple is Anna considered POC? İ thought she was greek
In hindsight I believe that Horsin’ Around may have been super stereotypical and bad if we view it through this lens
Rewatched the series twice. Seeing a second time is a must, especially after watching the finale season. You see that Biscuits was right when she interviewed him. He did have power over people, especially women. He became a soft-spoken self-pity version of his father. He had chances to be happy and change for the better but choose the opposite. People can change if they want to, maybe with nothing but the only people who decided to stick by him he will.
probably the reason he doesnt like mr pb since he is an equal.
If you're looking at it this way, BJ disliked basically everyone with equal or more power in their relationship except kelsey who he treated like some mother-figure
Those are rookie numbers. I have rewatched it around 4 to 3 times now
@@conway0809 double the count rookie-
I think biscuits was always supposed to be a wake up, she's a good journalist confronting a bad person, and that shows the audience in a third person view who they're rooting for
the way diane says 'you got daughter? ruh roh' makes me laugh so much
Replay button for the best line in the show --> 01:07:07
Yeah, I got daughter. Ruh-roh. 😐
You say this is the last, but I'm expecting a 2+ hour video on Erica next April 1st.
OMG YES
it would be iconic
My head canon is that Erica is a squirrel woman and its just an elaborate joke about how Mr Peanutbutter, a dog, keeps getting distracted by a squirrel.
@@_Tozzie_ ohhh, that's a good one lol
I’m so sorry u didn’t get ur wish
@15:06 I like how they made it look like Butterscotch was killed by the critic in the duel, but then reveal he just tripped and hit his head on a rock. They do that a lot in this show
yup, like how herb didn’t die of cancer, he got better. then got hit by a truck, which he also survived. but the truck was full of peanuts, which he was allergic to, so he died of an allergic reaction😭
@@tasheve3015😂
Bojack's balloon flying around in times where he's losing his mind clearly shows that "he's come untethered" omg. I never noticed before until you watch some of these clips back to back
Can we note how Butterscotch put such mixed veiws of Beatrice into Bojack. Blaming his mom for alot but then saying shes a good mom for "teaching you that"
Like being a bad person has its merits in a way.. almost justifying the behavior..
I just finished the episode and really liked the ending that was put with it.
The timeline series is complete and while i don't know if there are others or plans for others, i wouldn't be mad if this was a standalone series for Bojack. It feels like it has its own place with the break down of the show.
@@LilithsCosmicLounge Were given 1 single memory from Bojack that states what my comment was about. And we dont know how frequent those typse of memories are, so its probably say to assume that it wasnt often.
But by the very notion you speak about the same fuckin thing can be said for his parents. If they had the resources to go to therapy aswell but didnt, then are they not also to blame for the outcomea that are a result of bojacks actions?
Not directly, sure. But we also know beatrice wasnt gonna love anyone the way her mom did with crackerjack. That much was for certain. So it probably didnt mean much that buuterscotch was his dad as opposed to aomeone else, beatrice wasnt going to love him the way he needed.
All that being said, dont take any of this as me obsolving bojack of his choices, thats not what im sayin.
Philbert feels like the crew wanted to call out the people who relate to Bojack and don't try to change themselves.
Love your videos, Johnny!
Did anyone else assume when we saw child BoJack drinking was it was NOT his first time? He doesn't make a face or spit it out or cough or shudder. He seems used to it. That really stuck with me, for some reason.
I always assumed that Beatrice or buttercotch spiked his bottles as a baby, it was pretty common back then and I can see either doing it when he was crying
@@C0deXANA yeah, they're definitely a "whiskey on the gums," "gin for the croup" couple.
I was thinking about this... It was one of those things that hit me as off on the first viewing. It was the youngest we'd seen him drink, but we'd also seen his first cigarette: coughing, eyes watering, the visceral reactions anyone makes when they aren't used to such strong vice. But in that scene, he's an even littler guy, and sips right out of the bottle without a fuss or a real pucker, and (successfully) climbs up to sleep as close to in her arms as he can. It was maybe the first drinking to stop feeling lonely, maybe, but it definitely didn't feel like a First Drink in how it was shown...
Agreed! Especially given that we do see his reaction to his first cigarette, and I think anyone who tried hard liquor straight knows it is not something most children could drink smoothly like that their first time.
You know, something I've always thought was funny about Bojack not defending Herb like he said he would, if he had his popularity would have went up, and he would have been considered an amazing man. Creator herb kazazz threatened to be fired for being gay, but television star BoJack horseman stands up for his friend and his right to equal love. He would have had it all, especially in modern-day.
homophobia was more commonplace in the 90s, so maybe not from everyone.
It was a different time, Bojack would have risked and possibly sacrificed a lot. Even then, it probably would have been worth it.
for the record i’m not defending bojack at all, just pointing it out
@@castaway2850 no I get what you mean. Also by the way I know he wouldn't be well like to the public opinion but in the lgbtq community he would possibly still survive the '90s / early 2000s. But as he reaches modern day more people will appreciate him sticking by his friend and it would in the being beneficial to his career in modern day.
@@castaway2850 that is true but i guess in the long run it wouldve been so good for his image
I just realised this but this scene 8:27 is heavily inspired by a painting called Soir Bleu meaning Blue Evening. It features a number of characters but in the middle of the whole scene there is a sad clown smoking a cigarette melancholically. I think this clown represents Bojacks character perfectly. They are both performers whose vacation is to entertain people, make them laugh, make them happy and yet they can't even cheer themselves up. The scenery is almost exactly the same and Beatrice even calls Bojack that he is a clown. I love the fact that as you go through life and learn new things you can come back to your favourite shows and they still find a way to surprise you.
Wow, thank you for commenting that, it’s always awesome when someone gives information past the informational video.
First of all, its amazing to have the whole story of Bojack’s all in order, and second of all, its so weird but seeing the whole story of the show without really focusing on the other characters almost made it felt like its bojack recounting it, only acknowledging things that bojack himself acknowledged in the story. Really a masterpiece after all your work on bojack Johnny, huge congratulations for real 👌😁
This video is so funny cuz its like “Bojack lets a young child drink vodka in a dressing room and is callous and uncaring as a father figure to her, an impressionable person who he later sleeps with…also Todd starts a new business!”
Seriously tho, love your videos man. Thank you for still making BH content this show lives in my head rent free
12:18
i just realized that the reason bojack’s fridge is filled with lemons and sugar here is because we’re watching beatrice’s flashback. he was eating so unhealthily that she couldn’t envision the foods, so she imagined the “healthy girl snack” she ate growing up. omfg i love this show
So these are basically biographies of the cast in Bojack Horseman? Cool!
I never knew this series would hit so hard. I liked it very much.
i never realized how many times bojack had been to the planetarium before sarah lynn's death.
Yeah, when you first watch, the planetarium is just some place, but when you see it again, it's like this horrible mausoleum.
We don't see a lot of Herb, but from what we do see is that he was so good to the people around him. Fame changed people so fundamentally and he always looked out for this actors and encouraged them. It's so sad that Bojack had a genuine found family and lost it because he clung to fame so desperately.
Ahh I love Bojack and Wanda. She was the best thing that's ever happened to him. Not only do I like her positivity but she also knows her self worth.
🦉 “Who?” (Sorry, couldn’t resist!). I love Wanda as well.
I'm only about an hour and 30 minutes in but hearing about bojacks road to recovery as been truly inspirational as hell, makes me really hopeful for the future. A show hasn't even done that to me- even feeling it by just a summary is so weird
The ending of Bojack is really poetic. Some people thought it was a cliffhanger and disliked it, but Bojack's story wasn't meant to just end. He was set up for a potential better life and his most important relationships were either concluded or left open to still continue with a different dynamic because of how everyone has changed. The point of Bojack Horseman is change and growth. The differences in the theme song slideshow thing encapsulates this perfectly. Todd's hokey pokey speech was, in his silly way, also incredibly poetic.
I think it really speaks to the shows writing that you can deliver the names, details, and events of this show with a relatively deadpan delivery and the jokes are still funny
@ 57:24 Bojack waiting 17 minutes to call the Ambulance reminds me of how Walter White (aka Heisenberg) chose to let Jane choke on her own vomit.
I really like these retrospectives on Bojack Horseman. I can definitely see why it was such an influential piece of media... while also confirming that I would hate actually watching it. Just not the sort of media for me! But I respect what the creators have to say about all sorts of hard topics.
I should have realized we needed 2 hours to truly break down this life and I'm glad you're doing it
I started getting into the show at the worst part of my depression right before I was able to pull myself out. I feel like part of it saved me. Especially the view from halfway down speech. I feel like I relate to all of the characters in some way. I actually started watching Bojack because of some of your other videos so in some way you kind of saved me. Thank you
Commenting mostly for their algorithm, but I just want to say that I really appreciate you putting in the effort to make these timelines and good quality videos! Hope you're doing well, fam!
I don't have the words to describe how much this show means to me. It's not really a show I rewatch a lot, but simply seeing analyses of it, and watching my favourite scenes brings me such joy. It makes me emotional, whether that's happiness, sadness or something in-between. I love it a lot. Thanks for making these videos, man. You always help me see things in a way I wouldn't have otherwise.
Yes it has officially finally arrived! and the wait was definitely worth it thank you so much Johnny you've given us the greatest timeline video on your channel yet!
Thanks to everyone that put this together. I ended up not finishing the series after a couple because it felt extra draining to have to wait for seasons and then go through the emotional Rollercoaster that was everyone on the show.
I'm gonna check the rest of it out and handle its twists and drops better!
An interesting moment. In the 1st time “don’t stop dancing” the lyric is “don’t stop dancing until the curtain falls” = this is when the show ends for this production, as in the 3pm show is done but the 7pm show is still coming. In the 2nd time it’s sung the lyric is “don’t stop dancing till the curtain call” = this is the final performance of the show. Sarah Lynn’s death performance is the final show
Oh man. His life story really hits way too close to home in many ways
Johnny, my guy, you have outdone yourself. I’m so glad I found your videos after my first BoJack run and each time through now they help me get a little more out of the episodes. Thank you for all the hard work!!!!
Loved taking this journey through the show again. Started getting teary when Mr. Blue started playing.
Honestly if i ran into a bojack horseman character in my life I would probably be exhausted after just 1 year . It wasn't easy seeing Todd get hurt like that and princess Carolyn deserved so much more after what she's been through, her ending was very satisfying i was very happy for her
I'll be watching this video repeatedly from now on while washing the dishes and cleaning my house, or other activities that'd be boring without something like this video to listen to. Thanks, man
One moment you're convinced this is the best written show ever and the next you hear "Bojack believes he's being attacked by Todd's s*x robot - turned company president Henry Fondle"
Funnily enough, something I've noticed is people in my life who turned out to be incredibly toxic never wanted to watch this show with me. They claimed it was "too sad" and "triggered their mental health issues". Which is valid, but it makes me wonder if being shown their own actions through the lense of animated entertainment is too difficult for some people.
I watched maybe one or two seasons of Bojack, but I always had a feeling that it was the kind of show you feel changed after watching. Watching the timeline of Bojack’s life, it doesn’t ever feel like a character. It feels so real and so raw. And I would be lying if I didn’t say that I wasn’t in tears by the time the video was over.
this is incredible genuinely thinking about writing about bojack for a psych paper again
One thing about the whole timeline that my suspension of disbelief can't get past is the idea that a child
if only the writers of bojack horseman would have known from the start what an amazing masterpiece this would become…and the way it would touch people.
I think they knew in a way
I forgot about Sarah Lynn's line about surrounding herself with enablers until she dies tragically young...
You've saved my life trying to piece this timeline together, thank you for all your hard work with this series dude 💜
You are responsible for me watching the show, I heard other positive reviews but stumbling upon your videos has been 98% responsible for all views I've given the show. And I'm just gonna rewatch this a million times, thank you.
7:01 No wonder Herb felt so betrayed he put his dream and ass on the line for Bojack and when it mattered just like Charlotte said Bojack became a coward and didnt have it in him to stand up for his friend that made his dream possible. Really good to know I always enjoyed this show so much but didnt see some pieces like this critical one.
23:26 i also noticed that his drug trip started to get weird and hallucination-y after splashing his face with water. before they take the drugs, dr. hu tells them not to get wet. the crazy trip and hallucinations seen by bojack could be a side effect of him getting wet
I just noticed that Butterscotch makes the jab about the secretary not refusing to get an abortion when that’s exactly what happens with Henrietta later on
Johnny’s so real for this. his Bojack videos absolutely never miss!
man I've been going through it lately, but your videos always always make me feel better man, not matter how many times I rewatch, I love that you're still making bojack content, it's literally the best content out there. love you.
I guess there's so much other stuff to focus on that I never actually realised how closely Bojack is tied to the Griffith Observatory
It’s so interesting to see how this show really played out from his perspective.
This might be my favorite show ever.
I relate to Bojack in many ways. I know that’s not a good thing. It’s just reality. Moral is we all can grow and get better everyday and work past our traumas 🖤
This is one of my favorite TV series of all times. Bojack is a lot like my father and he helped me understand that his behavior towards me isn't my fault.
Bravo this is one of my favorite channels on UA-cam. Great voice over work and editing. Love this channel.
Johnny, you are a master of your craft. Switching between narration and the dialogue from the show the way you do. Superb. Your content is comprehensive, thought-provoking and revelatory.
God damn it, I thought I could finally get through the ending of Bojack without crying. I was doing so well. But then you just had to throw Mr. Blue at me, you bastard.
Dude for this 2 hours video you deserve so ,much more than 18k likes... That was incredible! Thanks for reminding me to rewatch this truly great show
Imagine if Bojack and herb actually hooked up, imagine what his love could have done for bojack instead of all the women he failed with, Plus if you really think hard about it? Herb loved him very much, enough to even help him improve, and when Bojack screwed him over and made things awkward and eventually making Herb hate him it showed that Herbs heart was truly shattered and his love in turn; became hate, sadness, and misery even regret. I will never forget his line after their convo when they reunited “Now Get the f*ck out of my house” for someone who cared so much ended up caring so little because of Bojacks actions many years later really hits hard tbh
I love these videos, I was young the first time I watched the show, and the second time I binged it, so a lot of the events seem to be mushed together in my brain, like I swore the rock opera happened after some of this stuff, but it was actually quite early on and I keep confusing the girls' order because there are so many of them, it's neat to notice stuff like that in these recaps, it makes me want to rewatch the show again to see what else I missed.
God. I love Bojack Horseman so much, this show really helped me throught a lot.
Same. My parents were similar to his except my dad was better educated but unfortunately never recognized in the literary world, he ended up ghost writing for lesser known celebrities and athletes, he also taught English and was an Army CO in the Vietnam war.
I've been thinking about why at the dinner party, the guests ignore BoJack when he asks what's on the other side of the door.
It's not because they're dodging the question or being malicious, it's because BoJack already knows what's on the other side of the door, he's just desperately hoping for someone to either confirm or deny his suspicions.
It's like when someone is in a really bad accident or something really bad happens to someone you love. You already know that the worst happened, you just need someone to verbalize it so your brain can process it.
Because otherwise, you just have an empty conclusion.
It's brilliant how this show captures grief and how one processes devastating news.
OMG i got home after a job interview and saw this posted im so excited!
I hope you get the job
@RheaLady thank you! I have to reapply in 2 weeks bc im not 16 yet ;-;
@@blepblep4371did you get the job?
@urdad4467 yes! Been working there for 6 months ths now!
@@blepblep4371 that’s great!
I’ve been watching your Bojack analysis videos on repeat, so excited for this!
Thank you for making all of these timeline videos. I love this show with my whole heart, but after finishing it one time I find it really hard to do it a second time when you can see all the red flags coming. Having these videos though is a great way for me to revisit without the emotional toll I get from watching Bojack make the worst decisions ever. These were all amazing and while I'm sad they're over, they were nice while they lasted. Again, thank you and your team for making these. I can't wait to see what else y'all do~
Commenting to boost in the algorithm. You worked so hard on this!
Oh wow! I didn't think we'd get a timeline for Bojack!
Here's a drinking game, if you survive it, Bojack will be impressed:
Drink a shot everytime "Bojack apologizes" in this video.
One of the greatest shows in the past 10 years.
I thought I missed this one but it's brand new! I can't wait to listen. Thanks for putting this together, I'm sure it took a while.
Charlotte’s view on Las Angeles makes so much sense when Bojack jumps in the pool and goes through the dinner scene and sees all the black tar in The View from Halfway Down
I thought Ruthie in the future must be the end point then remembered she was just PC's imagination and was sad
this series ia my absolute favourite on your channel, I've watched every timeline so many times there's a few I can quote verbatim. had to watch this over 3 sittings its a video masterpiece
The man, the myth, the legend - he’s posted 🤩💕
I LOVE your Bojack Horseman videoes! I did a paper on Bojack and character transformation for media studies at university and watched your videos for inspiration 😁
What grade did you get? I need to know what your professor thought please I beg 🥺
I AUDIBLY gasped when BoJack told Herb to "get cancer"
man the ending for him is so fucking fitting he was a horseman that never deserved a single second chance yet got them over and over and over and finally when he nearly dies and is given a second chance at life he isnt redeemed hes not the good guy now but hes changed hes trying and he actually seems genuine
I've been watching all your Bojack videos lately, what an amazing culmination!
I got to say, no matter how many times I say I'm going to still love saying esteemed character actress Margo Martindale
Kiki's cover gave me chills. So good!
Who wldve thought an adult regular show cld have such a deep message about mental health, toxic people in their lives and accountability cld put in a show about horses and other animals.
Definitely one of the best shows I ever seen.
I’ve made massively selfish and poor decisions, and hurt those around me with no redemption in sight….just as BoJack did. And now I have turned myself around. My hope for you out there who may feel like I do, love yourself, and be a better person.
1:11:04 breaks my heart every time hearing this cuz she doesnt even know how icecream taste like
I can't remember where I first saw it pointed out, but Beatrice's pause before calling the ice cream "...sweet" was because she'd never had it before. Bojack obviously didn't know but it's incredibly sad how the one happy memory he can try to conjure for her is so far off from how she was raised.
your videos are literally the reason i watched bojack horseman in the first place, and it changed my life the first time i watched it.. this show is one of the best ever, and your channel is aswell.
BRO IM ABOUT TO CRY,,, YOU,,, YOU,,,, AUGH.... YOU RECITED,,,,, THE LINE,,, FROM FROM FROM THE SONG...... HELP...,,
Fell asleep watching a different bojack video and woke up to this one with less than 5 mins left. Time to restart it lol
Guys let's push his chanel to 300k as a thank you for this and all of his videos, we all know he deserves it
The overall story of BoJack - to me - is confronting trauma before it consumes you.
Thank you so much for all your bojack timeline videos! I have loved each and everyone one of them! Getting to the end of this one made me tear up, it honestly was a perfect ending to the show
I love the bittersweet cautious hope of the finale. Yes, Diane is potentially leaving for good. Yes, Todd is there, but farther away than he ever was before. Yes, Hollyhock is gone and may never come back. Yes, Bojack’s life is potentially damaged beyond repair. But just like Diane’s kinsuki metaphor, that doesn’t mean his life is done. It’s damaged, it can never go back fully to the way it was, but it can be put back together. Bojack still has PC who will never represent him again, but who clearly desires to be his friend and who will be there for him-as a friend. He still has Mr. Peanutbutter who has ALWAYS wanted to be his friend and who honestly may have been one of his true friends throughout the whole show, even if Bojack didn’t initially realize it. He’s discovered a love for directing and he remembers how much better his life was while sober, even if the pain was sharper. There’s no concrete certainty for Bojack’s life going forward but there’s something he rarely had throughout the entire run of the show: hope. And that means so much. ❤