According to Hamilton, Vaughters and Livingston, Ullrich raced the 2000 and 2001 Tours at 43% hematocit (legal limit was 50%). Not saying he was clean, but one could suggest Ullrich was 'cleaner' than Armstrong at various stages of the races in those years. He was also recognized as potentially the most talented rider in the peloton in those days, even Armstrong has said this numerous times.
If true, then Ullrich likely wasn't doing EPO. Hematocrit levels for men tend to range from 40-50% (hence why the legal limit was set at 50%). Of course, by 2000 EPO wasn't as heavily used as it was the years before. And yes, Ullrich was defnitely cleaner than Armstrong. At this point, winning in cycling came down to a drugs race and the USPS had funds to sustain a program that other teams simply weren't able to reproduce. I still highly doubt Ullrich was clean at all though.
"potentially the most talented rider in the peloton in those days" is quite the understatement. He is considered by many to be the most talented cyclist to ever live. The reasoning for this looks at the following: 1. His junior performances and winning the tour the France at 23, being 2nd at 22 (possibly could have won, but he supported Riis). 2. His mental health problems. Imagine how much better training he could have had staying healthy. 3. (most likely related to 2.) His weight problems. Before some tour de Frances he lost weight at an unhealthy pace, which no doubt weakened him. He would still finish 2nd. What other rider in history could hope to challenge Armstrong, the greatest doper of all time, with far from optimal training, dangerous weight cuts and a mediocre team?
@@kasonadrien1585 Don´t enter in Flixzone without check reports. There´s a lot of suspicions of fishing: ua-cam.com/video/crUIMyDw2ng/v-deo.html ... and more...
I'm a diehard Ullrich fan, but after all the emotion Armstrong crossed the finish line only 7 seconds behind. Sadly, this is not a KO by any stretch of the imagination. And this was Jan's best day against Armstrong in the mountains (besides Morzine 2000). To be an Ullrich fan was frustrating, more pains than joys, but I love him anyway 😂
Yo ese día tambien me levante enloquecido del sofá ,todo emocionado por el ataque de Ullrich ,haciendo de cagar a Lance ,aunque solo fueran 7 segundos ,una pena que no se cuidara todo el año ,de ser así ,hubiéramos vivido el mejor duelo de la historia del tour ,con ullrich sin engordar 25 kgms en invierno , Lance igual no hubiera ganado ni dos tours
🚴♂️. . Für Mich Bleibt Jan Einer Der Grössten .. Was Habe Ich Im TV Gefiebert .. Egal Welche Schlagzeilen Danach Kamen .. Er Ist Ein Ganz GROSSER .. 👍👋
That have been hot summers back in those days when Armstrong and Ullrich where rivals for so long. Both where fantastic to see. And both have been humble and sportsmen to each other. But not forget Armstrongs criminal will to win at any costs turned it all sour far more tjan this pure doping.
Jan's best year was with Bianchi, much better than with Team Telekom. Remember the Tour de France TT 2003? Of course Lance had not his best day in the South of France but Ullrich was amazing.
+axlrosea675 yes right and thats why we back at genetics, talent, skill ->ability because doping builds on the fundament you already have, the better your fundament is, the better effect doping will have on your body, so when athlets take doping nearly the same usage, still the best will win.
DjDoubleR85 bullshit. you can't predict how many more red blood cells will be produced as an effect of epo based on your 'standard' value. and that's just one example.
+axlrosea675 could your please articulate right, and dont start with such as bullshit?and i think you didnt understand me fully, i wasnt saying you can predict how many more blood cells will be produced, i just sayed the better your condition is, the better your talent, genetics ans skills are, the better results you will get from using medecine, it asint just about how many more blood cells are build its also about what can your body do with it.how much can your body use this advantage, and many medics/docs will agree to that, you wont get from a good cycler to a worldclass one if your body, genetics and many more factors aint build for that.armstrong didnt just win in cause of doping if you believe that, you aint understand it, just a few examples armstrong didnt come in too heavy or unconditioned into the contest like some of his closest opponents.all who reduce his wins to the medecine, also think these medecine work wonders.just my point.and i aint an fan of him, quite the contrary i was a fan of jan ullrich, but I must, in all honesty, also acknowledge that he wasnt as consitend as he should have been.
+DjDoubleR85 Armstrongs advantage was that his body responded better to the drugs given to him than to others (Tyler Hamilton a former team mate made this statement).Talent and skill was not a real issue back than it just came down on how much you could improve your stamina and power output through the drugs.
I wouldnt really call this a KO. Jan Launched an attack but he didnt gain any time. After Jan and Haimar Zubeldia crossed the line, Armstrong was only 5 seconds behind .
Die Tour 2003 war großartig. Endlich mal wieder spannend, da Amstrong so überlegen war. Meiner Meinung nach war es immer sein Ziel Ullrich auf keinen Fall wieder ins gelbe Trikot zu lassen. Weder bei dieser Etappe, noch im Zeitfahren. Sonst hätte es anders enden können...??
I admit I haven´t seen this before. I have watched every Grand Tour since 1983 to today, but from 1997 to 2006, the "golden years" of EPO. In 1996 I had good info about what was happening in the world of cycling: there was two groups of riders. A group had started to use massive amounts of the new EPO (Riis as main example) and the new training methods linked to it.(*) Others, relinquished to use it after some years in which the use of old versions of EPO had a tragic toll of death riders (numbers changes in different reports, but only in Belgium and Netherlands 18 riders died in the first 2 years). The first group swept away the second in the Tour´96... and everything changed for years. (*) A pro told me: "It´s is possible to know which one is using it only knowing his training schedule" So now for me to watch this images of those years is a rarity. Pity of this people that had to choose between the same questionable methods of L.A. or... be unsuccessful and ignored.
Lance made the same decision when he realized he could either dope or be pack filler. It is easy for some to scapegoat him because of his bad personal behavior, but that's all it is. Doping happened before he was born in cycling, and I am confident it still happens today.
Armstong is an example of how that new EPO changed things...especially when coupled with additional advantages. LA was already a regular in doping, and even with that, it had not reached anything more than being a "pack filler",...but with a victory in a World Championship and another in a stage of the Tour -which he later abandoned, as he did in 3 of his first 4 tours. Not too bad, anyway, but closer to current rider Mats Pedersen (I hope cleaner) than to be a star. After becoming a star thanks to the new EPO, it is said that he tested positive twice and traveled to the headquarters of a certain organization with a briefcase full of money. It's a shame this hasn't been investigated. But we do know that Pat McQuaid called "scumbags" to those who gave USADA data against LA. Taking this into account, he even had an advantage over other EPO-using racers, such as Ullrich himself.
Not everyone was on the same juice. Some may have had legal hematocrit levels, despite doping. Different bodies react to various substances, some take more, some take less, some at different stages/days, etc.
I think they were (and still are) all doped to the same level of not getting caught at that time which brought it all back to talent, dedication and the ability to go into the deep end and suffer hard.
@@jjmuni no no and no...Armstrong was never a big Climber or GC Rider at a 3 weeks racing like TDF or Giro...Never... Then he had cancer and Out of nowhere the best GC Rider and 7 time TDF Winner. Armstrong was clearly doped like Nobody else..for Sure. From a Talent single races to a Grand Tour Winner 7xtimes.. Sure Sure ...;)
@@smartys303I figured that too but if you listen to the pros of that era they all praise LA for his natural gifts. So who knows. He certainly had the guts to fix it all up… In style Ulrich was in a league of his own.
so Riss is still the `96 winner so how does that work then ???? whats the score he says he was taking and everyone says thats ok then I assume its just me but that sounds wrong one way ...............
By the way, Marion Jones passed 150 blood tests, but in the end admitted she had taken EPO, and steroids. Where there's a will there's a way. I can't say Lance did or didn't dope; but he surely could've.
Jajaja, que ganas que tenía la prensa, y más la española que le fuera mal al americano... Haciendo pamento cuando el gringo regulaba y Ulrich quemaba las naves... Ese era el 5° tour y les quemaba que igualara Indurain...otro excelente corredor que tampoco los ganó a fideos y agua (antes que digan que Armstrong si dopaba) como todo el pelotón profesional.
este era el tour de beloki, nose si para ganar pero al menos el unico tour en el que armstrong parecia un poco humano. Ulrich acabo segundo a tan solo un minuto y en la crono larga le metio 1 min 32 segs, esta claro que lance no iba del todo fino. Puta caida!!!!!!
Yo lloré, ese tour era de joseba ,porque estaba en la forma perfecta ,era su año ,que alegría el ataque que le metió a lance ,que ni se movió lance ,corría muy ansioso y nervioso por atacar ,savia que era el más fuerte ese año ,mecaguen la puta este recuerdo la caída y me dan ganas de llorar joder
@@joaovtf6001 That's what Armstrong is saying, but it was obviously not the truth. Everybody saw it back then on TV, Ullrich waited. It was honorable, but stupid.
What alot of people dont know is ... at the team meeting before this race, Lance told his team that he would win this race fairly. He said "Im done with doping, I will prove to you all that I do not need the EPO" When he got to the hotel after the race, legends say that he called every drug dealer in France to get to his room immiditaly, he realized he made a mistake and PUMPED IT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL into his veins that night. He later won the tour with ease and promised himself to NEVER make the mistake of playing fair ... that was for losers and he was a winner! True story
Most people who beat cancer, don't return to the top of their sport. Also, you neglected to respond to the rest of my comment, interesting, isn't that?
It’s a shame Jan didn’t win this tour. He would’ve won it in 06 if he didn’t get banned. 6 for Lance and 3 for Jan seems like a more fair result than 7 to 1
lance sure did take it...i always thought he did even back then... i know a lot of ppl are heartbroken...while im not...i always thought the man was a lie...i guess my instincts don't fail!!!!
well my dear fellow , you believe in what you believe, i'll believe in what i believe..and him beating cancer is amazing as it is with any other human being who does it. As it is amazing for someone that lost both his or her legs to use prosthetics and run again, ride a bike again and do their lives again as many other ppl with many other conditionalities...i'm not reducing his battle against cancer , i just don't believe him as a cyclist which is entirely different, and as i mentioned in
No,i accepted we have diff opinions about it and i was avoiding confrontation.he was in a team,where they all took epo...yet he did not?? weird.plus, he would not be the first to never acuse epo or any sortof doping in any test and taking it all the same.there have been cases where cyclists were never caught yet still admitted later on..u might wanna investigate that. Plus, i personally never believed in lance a a cyclist as i said previously..i reserve myself the right to have my opinion
It used to be like that. But somehow the Tour direction knew Ulrich would be banned. And the 3rd one (Vinokourov?) and so on, as everyone was doped. However if the 2nd or 3rd would have been French, they would have passed it on immediately. I remember that when the news came out, the french tv invited Richard Virenque. Literally God in France, but the bloke was drugged up to his eyeballs, and was even fired from his team for doping. But ey, it waz a frenz cycliste!
Si tenía algo especial que era el ciclista más potente de todos los tiempos Y que más da si no tenía espíritu propio de competitividad ,vía como armstrong le ganaba el tour y al año siguiente llegaba a pretemporada con 25 kg de más de cerveza y alcohol, si ullrich se llega a cuidar lance niño hubiera ganado ni 2 tours
in my previous coment i said it is what i think, and i'm not forcing my opinion on you, i'm stating mine. And i am free and entitled to think wtv i please without asking you or anyone's approval, for that matter.
He never tested positive for doping. He tested positive for drugs, not doping. Reactivan, Mucatil, and Stimul are drugs he took...doping is a whole 'nother thing. I don't know why that makes me ignorant
On n'est pas prêts de revoir ça : un maillot jaune attaqué, et en difficulté. Pogaçar aurait déposé Ullrich à la vitesse d'un missile. autres temps, autre dope...
![Jan Ullrich ► TdF 2003 ► Stage 12 ► Cap' Découverte (Zeitfahren) [18.07.2003]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6Ign-iDNFTQ/mqdefault.jpg)
A seated attack is the ultimate display of power. Ulrich, what an absolute unit 💪
According to Hamilton, Vaughters and Livingston, Ullrich raced the 2000 and 2001 Tours at 43% hematocit (legal limit was 50%). Not saying he was clean, but one could suggest Ullrich was 'cleaner' than Armstrong at various stages of the races in those years. He was also recognized as potentially the most talented rider in the peloton in those days, even Armstrong has said this numerous times.
davd1986 If true that is incredible. 43% was really low for the EPO era.
If true, then Ullrich likely wasn't doing EPO. Hematocrit levels for men tend to range from 40-50% (hence why the legal limit was set at 50%). Of course, by 2000 EPO wasn't as heavily used as it was the years before. And yes, Ullrich was defnitely cleaner than Armstrong. At this point, winning in cycling came down to a drugs race and the USPS had funds to sustain a program that other teams simply weren't able to reproduce.
I still highly doubt Ullrich was clean at all though.
"potentially the most talented rider in the peloton in those days" is quite the understatement.
He is considered by many to be the most talented cyclist to ever live.
The reasoning for this looks at the following:
1. His junior performances and winning the tour the France at 23, being 2nd at 22 (possibly could have won, but he supported Riis).
2. His mental health problems. Imagine how much better training he could have had staying healthy.
3. (most likely related to 2.) His weight problems. Before some tour de Frances he lost weight at an unhealthy pace, which no doubt weakened him. He would still finish 2nd.
What other rider in history could hope to challenge Armstrong, the greatest doper of all time, with far from optimal training, dangerous weight cuts and a mediocre team?
@@japphan Maybe Pantani could challenge Armstrong
@@abcd-yg2rx totally true in climbs, but not in time trial
I remember watching this race back then. Looking back on it now, it was such a beautiful and exciting moment.
that is one of the most poignant cycling history snippets I have seen on YT...2003 was a great great Tour with mythical stages in the Pyrenees
jan is my all time favorite rider, he's a major inspiration
prost
i know I am pretty off topic but do anyone know of a good website to stream newly released movies online?
@@kasonadrien1585 Don´t enter in Flixzone without check reports. There´s a lot of suspicions of fishing: ua-cam.com/video/crUIMyDw2ng/v-deo.html ... and more...
Also dopped!
I'm a diehard Ullrich fan, but after all the emotion Armstrong crossed the finish line only 7 seconds behind. Sadly, this is not a KO by any stretch of the imagination. And this was Jan's best day against Armstrong in the mountains (besides Morzine 2000). To be an Ullrich fan was frustrating, more pains than joys, but I love him anyway 😂
Of Course, Pantani, Basso, Beloki...etc etc etc also legends !!
Grande Ullrich, ese día me emocioné de verdad. Ullrich sin equipo dejando en bragas a Amstrong.
Le saco 7 segundos ......
Yo ese día tambien me levante enloquecido del sofá ,todo emocionado por el ataque de Ullrich ,haciendo de cagar a Lance ,aunque solo fueran 7 segundos ,una pena que no se cuidara todo el año ,de ser así ,hubiéramos vivido el mejor duelo de la historia del tour ,con ullrich sin engordar 25 kgms en invierno , Lance igual no hubiera ganado ni dos tours
🚴♂️. . Für Mich Bleibt Jan Einer Der Grössten .. Was Habe Ich Im TV Gefiebert .. Egal Welche Schlagzeilen Danach Kamen .. Er Ist Ein Ganz GROSSER .. 👍👋
so isses durch ihn bin ich zum radsport gekommen er wird ne Legende bleiben wie Kobe und Shaq damals bei den lakers
@@andyrusellthunderbrook4651 👍👏👏👋
Er ist und bleibt einer der talentiertesten Radsportler aller Zeiten.
Is einfach so!! 💪
That have been hot summers back in those days when Armstrong and Ullrich where rivals for so long.
Both where fantastic to see. And both have been humble and sportsmen to each other.
But not forget Armstrongs criminal will to win at any costs turned it all sour far more tjan this pure doping.
This year was the year Jan really had Armstrong on the ropes...Jan would have had a great chance of winning if he had had a stronger team behind him.
or a bit more of creative substances inside.....
Without his fall at the last ascent to Luz Ardiden Armstrong would never had won this tour. After the fall he was full of anger and adrenaline.
and didn't crash in TT
this was racing, not these tactical bullshit today...
Andy Kunst for real fuck Sky
Ullrich was a beast
Jan's best year was with Bianchi, much better than with Team Telekom. Remember the Tour de France TT 2003? Of course Lance had not his best day in the South of France but Ullrich was amazing.
He had an amazing 2003 TdF with Bianchi, but his best year without a doubt was 1997 with Telekom. This is not even debatable.
When 99% of the competition takes doping, its back down to ability.
***** no, doping has different effects on different individuals.
+axlrosea675 yes right and thats why we back at genetics, talent, skill ->ability because doping builds on the fundament you already have, the better your fundament is, the better effect doping will have on your body, so when athlets take doping nearly the same usage, still the best will win.
DjDoubleR85 bullshit. you can't predict how many more red blood cells will be produced as an effect of epo based on your 'standard' value. and that's just one example.
+axlrosea675 could your please articulate right, and dont start with such as bullshit?and i think you didnt understand me fully, i wasnt saying you can predict how many more blood cells will be produced, i just sayed the better your condition is, the better your talent, genetics ans skills are, the better results you will get from using medecine, it asint just about how many more blood cells are build its also about what can your body do with it.how much can your body use this advantage, and many medics/docs will agree to that, you wont get from a good cycler to a worldclass one if your body, genetics and many more factors aint build for that.armstrong didnt just win in cause of doping if you believe that, you aint understand it, just a few examples armstrong didnt come in too heavy or unconditioned into the contest like some of his closest opponents.all who reduce his wins to the medecine, also think these medecine work wonders.just my point.and i aint an fan of him, quite the contrary i was a fan of jan ullrich, but I must, in all honesty, also acknowledge that he wasnt as consitend as he should have been.
+DjDoubleR85 Armstrongs advantage was that his body responded better to the drugs given to him than to others (Tyler Hamilton a former team mate made this statement).Talent and skill was not a real issue back than it just came down on how much you could improve your stamina and power output through the drugs.
How do you know? where did u get that info from?
I wouldnt really call this a KO. Jan Launched an attack but he didnt gain any time. After Jan and Haimar Zubeldia crossed the line, Armstrong was only 5 seconds behind .
Jan Ullrich... Not the guy to mess with...
Now that's what you call a party. 2021 no atmosphere.
ABSOLUTELY LEGEND'S. Ullrich, Armstrong, Vinokourov. Magical.
All of them villains.
when you forget your doping for one day...
Das war noch ein Ding !
Golden era of cycling.
Certainement pas. L'âge de merde , oui.
Die Tour 2003 war großartig. Endlich mal wieder spannend, da Amstrong so überlegen war. Meiner Meinung nach war es immer sein Ziel Ullrich auf keinen Fall wieder ins gelbe Trikot zu lassen. Weder bei dieser Etappe, noch im Zeitfahren. Sonst hätte es anders enden können...??
Mama mía esto si era ciclismo en estado puro , si ullrich se llega a cuidar físicamente, lance no sería el rey del tour, no creo que hubiera ganado 5
Armstrong n'a rien gagné puisqu'il a été déclassé pour dopage.
Estos dos manes hicieron que fuera seguidor del Tour, que espectáculo que daban
I admit I haven´t seen this before. I have watched every Grand Tour since 1983 to today, but from 1997 to 2006, the "golden years" of EPO. In 1996 I had good info about what was happening in the world of cycling: there was two groups of riders. A group had started to use massive amounts of the new EPO (Riis as main example) and the new training methods linked to it.(*) Others, relinquished to use it after some years in which the use of old versions of EPO had a tragic toll of death riders (numbers changes in different reports, but only in Belgium and Netherlands 18 riders died in the first 2 years). The first group swept away the second in the Tour´96... and everything changed for years.
(*) A pro told me: "It´s is possible to know which one is using it only knowing his training schedule"
So now for me to watch this images of those years is a rarity. Pity of this people that had to choose between the same questionable methods of L.A. or... be unsuccessful and ignored.
Lance made the same decision when he realized he could either dope or be pack filler. It is easy for some to scapegoat him because of his bad personal behavior, but that's all it is. Doping happened before he was born in cycling, and I am confident it still happens today.
Armstong is an example of how that new EPO changed things...especially when coupled with additional advantages. LA was already a regular in doping, and even with that, it had not reached anything more than being a "pack filler",...but with a victory in a World Championship and another in a stage of the Tour -which he later abandoned, as he did in 3 of his first 4 tours. Not too bad, anyway, but closer to current rider Mats Pedersen (I hope cleaner) than to be a star. After becoming a star thanks to the new EPO, it is said that he tested positive twice and traveled to the headquarters of a certain organization with a briefcase full of money. It's a shame this hasn't been investigated. But we do know that Pat McQuaid called "scumbags" to those who gave USADA data against LA. Taking this into account, he even had an advantage over other EPO-using racers, such as Ullrich himself.
@@lkb3rd off course it still happens.. Have you seen this years tour.. The Times and averages of the so cold dark years are being ridiculed.
Sounds like you’re blaming Lance for doing what he had to do to win? Everyone had to make that choice including Lance
great sport here
The Best of thé Best
He gave him the look of... "I've had more EPO than you have". LOL
My favorite that day was Niklas Jalabert.
Not everyone was on the same juice. Some may have had legal hematocrit levels, despite doping. Different bodies react to various substances, some take more, some take less, some at different stages/days, etc.
I think they were (and still are) all doped to the same level of not getting caught at that time which brought it all back to talent, dedication and the ability to go into the deep end and suffer hard.
@@jjmuni no no and no...Armstrong was never a big Climber or GC Rider at a 3 weeks racing like TDF or Giro...Never...
Then he had cancer and Out of nowhere the best GC Rider and 7 time TDF Winner.
Armstrong was clearly doped like Nobody else..for Sure.
From a Talent single races to a Grand Tour Winner 7xtimes..
Sure Sure ...;)
@@smartys303I figured that too but if you listen to the pros of that era they all praise LA for his natural gifts. So who knows. He certainly had the guts to fix it all up…
In style Ulrich was in a league of his own.
Jan was a great white shark in a pool full of goldfish "
El espiritu de lucha de estos emociona era el ciclismo d verdad
La belle époque du dopage !
A l'époque les soigneurs méritaient leurs salaires.
Dop? Quoi
I bet Lance was so upset
Jan Ullrich 🇩🇪, 5-times TdF champ
(96, 97, 00, 01, 03)
❤️
Wie kommt man auf die Zahlen?
well said!
Grande, el mejor de su época, lastima que el dopaje y los motores eléctricos en la bicicleta de Armstrong opacara toda una carrera.
Totalmente viva ulrich un grande , el mejor de su época
El mafioso gringo quedó expuesto.
Grande jan
Of course now we know how they were able to attack seated.
the sad fact about this era
I like how they didnt wear helmets
Punaise ça attaquait de tous les côtés.... On s ennuyait pas..
Doping VS Doping
Ullrich + Bianchi = dream team
this was nice to see
and all other epo too.
so Riss is still the `96 winner so how does that work then ???? whats the score he says he was taking and everyone says thats ok then I assume its just me but that sounds wrong one way ...............
By the way, Marion Jones passed 150 blood tests, but in the end admitted she had taken EPO, and steroids. Where there's a will there's a way. I can't say Lance did or didn't dope; but he surely could've.
Jajaja, que ganas que tenía la prensa, y más la española que le fuera mal al americano... Haciendo pamento cuando el gringo regulaba y Ulrich quemaba las naves...
Ese era el 5° tour y les quemaba que igualara Indurain...otro excelente corredor que tampoco los ganó a fideos y agua (antes que digan que Armstrong si dopaba) como todo el pelotón profesional.
😻
Armstrong did actually stop taking growth hormones after his recovery because he thought that's what had nailed him.
let the juice flow......good old days
este era el tour de beloki, nose si para ganar pero al menos el unico tour en el que armstrong parecia un poco humano. Ulrich acabo segundo a tan solo un minuto y en la crono larga le metio 1 min 32 segs, esta claro que lance no iba del todo fino. Puta caida!!!!!!
Yo lloré, ese tour era de joseba ,porque estaba en la forma perfecta ,era su año ,que alegría el ataque que le metió a lance ,que ni se movió lance ,corría muy ansioso y nervioso por atacar ,savia que era el más fuerte ese año ,mecaguen la puta este recuerdo la caída y me dan ganas de llorar joder
The weather this year was insane...40 C for several days. For Armstrong was really bad, but still he won
Because Ullrich waited for him after Armstrong fell, because of his own fault.
@@_b0h4z4rd7 if he didnt wait, armstrong would catch him anyway..
@@joaovtf6001 That's what Armstrong is saying, but it was obviously not the truth. Everybody saw it back then on TV, Ullrich waited. It was honorable, but stupid.
@@_b0h4z4rd7 did he wait or he just couldnt do more 🤔
EPO didnt even exist back then...all riders used was cortisone and other pain relievers...where do you get your stuff from? lol
@franrafuki you know it. nobody's programme will ever match his.
What alot of people dont know is ... at the team meeting before this race, Lance told his team that he would win this race fairly.
He said "Im done with doping, I will prove to you all that I do not need the EPO"
When he got to the hotel after the race, legends say that he called every drug dealer in France to get to his room immiditaly, he realized he made a mistake and PUMPED IT ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL into his veins that night.
He later won the tour with ease and promised himself to NEVER make the mistake of playing fair ... that was for losers and he was a winner!
True story
Jan nonostante tutto....il pi bel corridore visto negli ultimi 25anni
estos Tours bastante mas emocionantes que los de ahora
Y eso que ullrich llegaba al tour de estar de fiesta 2 meses todos los días ,si se llega a cuidad ...
Tu plaisantes. C'était les Tours les plus ringards de l'histoire.
Epo
Holy fuck they went uphill quick back then. Dopage or no this is gold to see
I've got as many Oscars ad Leonardo DiCaprio and as many Tour de France titles as Lance Armstrong : D
Congratulations to your Oscar
@@HelloHello-yd4su Lmao
Mandangueros de leyenda.
Looked more like a Vinokourov attack to me
Cheers
Armstrong is a piece of ......
Most people who beat cancer, don't return to the top of their sport. Also, you neglected to respond to the rest of my comment, interesting, isn't that?
It’s a shame Jan didn’t win this tour. He would’ve won it in 06 if he didn’t get banned. 6 for Lance and 3 for Jan seems like a more fair result than 7 to 1
Not the most credible sources. Impossible to believe anyone on this subject. Livingston just found himself on an EPO list.
fucking great
Wipe the word great please.
wait will follow froomstrong
lance sure did take it...i always thought he did even back then... i know a lot of ppl are heartbroken...while im not...i always thought the man was a lie...i guess my instincts don't fail!!!!
Thats not a KO bro... He recovered remarkeble and lost almost no time.
Armstrong is the biggest user ever. His dope was of the best quality. US dope was better than EU dope.
And How do you know that etc??
Bahhh....xo si al final ganó el gran Lance (inocente de dopaje, aunque sin contrapesos, eso sí!!!!!xDDD)
well my dear fellow , you believe in what you believe, i'll believe in what i believe..and him beating cancer is amazing as it is with any other human being who does it. As it is amazing for someone that lost both his or her legs to use prosthetics and run again, ride a bike again and do their lives again as many other ppl with many other conditionalities...i'm not reducing his battle against cancer , i just don't believe him as a cyclist which is entirely different, and as i mentioned in
El casco era para los pringaos en aquellos tiempos 🤣
Helmets were for losers in those times lol
Alors que ce tour n'est pas si vieux et que le casque existe depuis la nuit des temps...
No,i accepted we have diff opinions about it and i was avoiding confrontation.he was in a team,where they all took epo...yet he did not?? weird.plus, he would not be the first to never acuse epo or any sortof doping in any test and taking it all the same.there have been cases where cyclists were never caught yet still admitted later on..u might wanna investigate that. Plus, i personally never believed in lance a a cyclist as i said previously..i reserve myself the right to have my opinion
If Armstrong is not anymore the official winner of tour de france 2003, then it is outomatically Jan Ullrich who made 2nd place?
It used to be like that. But somehow the Tour direction knew Ulrich would be banned. And the 3rd one (Vinokourov?) and so on, as everyone was doped. However if the 2nd or 3rd would have been French, they would have passed it on immediately. I remember that when the news came out, the french tv invited Richard Virenque. Literally God in France, but the bloke was drugged up to his eyeballs, and was even fired from his team for doping. But ey, it waz a frenz cycliste!
Ullrich THC Win
Amstrong EPO Loose
Nature solutions....
lance has never doped, still showed his might in this stage, won 7 tours without a set of balls. don't hate!
Dopaje por un tubo
Recordaré ese día, el día que lance flojeo, una pena que el gañán de ullrich no se cuidará
ulrich sigue sinedo el mehor de todos los tiempos^^
Lo hubiera sido si se hubiera cuidado
Si bebiendo cerveza si
Qué grande Ulrich. Tenía algo especial.
SJ LI si, lo que tenía era que iba hasta as cejas de todo, como el 90% del pelotón, dicho por ellos mismos
@@TONI-ow4xv claro, pero yendo todos así, él tenía un estilo especial.
Si tenía algo especial que era el ciclista más potente de todos los tiempos Y que más da si no tenía espíritu propio de competitividad ,vía como armstrong le ganaba el tour y al año siguiente llegaba a pretemporada con 25 kg de más de cerveza y alcohol, si ullrich se llega a cuidar lance niño hubiera ganado ni 2 tours
FREAKING FRENCH..HAS TO PLAY DUTY TO GET OFF IN THERE PANTS..
in my previous coment i said it is what i think, and i'm not forcing my opinion on you, i'm stating mine. And i am free and entitled to think wtv i please without asking you or anyone's approval, for that matter.
never on the tour de france.
He never tested positive for doping. He tested positive for drugs, not doping. Reactivan, Mucatil, and Stimul are drugs he took...doping is a whole 'nother thing. I don't know why that makes me ignorant
LOL. We've found our kool-aid commet of the day everyone!!
Drugs on wheels. I guess the top 10 wasn't clean back then.
if Armstrong was doped what did you say about Ulrich?
Armstrong level of Doping close to 100% at this time (Leader) / Ullrich in the early years only by 50-75%
Doping is not just doping.
Jan Ullrich --> Winner of Four* Tours de France (*just One Tour reward by the Official Organization of the annual event)
froome?
On n'est pas prêts de revoir ça : un maillot jaune attaqué, et en difficulté. Pogaçar aurait déposé Ullrich à la vitesse d'un missile. autres temps, autre dope...
Y sin casco .y ahora por no llevarlo te quieren multar y yo nunca lo llevo
No skullguard no ride
Ullrich eres el mejor
Du bist und bleibst der größe
settle down...everyone on that screen was on the same juice....in cycling back then it was an equalizer it was so prevalent
Jan was doped too but he was more espectacular and talented than Lance