Nice job John and you too Zach. That was quite a feat to get that leaner to move. I've always heard dead cottonwood hinges better than live. Y'all stay safe.
That's very intriguing! I recently dismantled a girdled white pine and I was incredibly surprised by how well it hinged. Thank you for sharing that Clell!
George Jones sung it best, " Who's gonna fill their shoes. ". Great job by two Young pro's. Like watching some young ones take an interest in an old profession.
Also, the second tree with the triple hinge. It's a great technique, it really is. It comes in handy at times it seems like to me I could be wrong. He cut all his holding wood off on the side that the tree was leaning to I always leave at least 2 inches that way, it's still gives it something instead of breaking straight off but great job. Good work
I've seen it done both ways and I don't have experience to say what is better. I do know logger wade cuts his hinge wood off of the compression side of the hinge 🤷♂️
That was fun to watch. I often wonder why the skid steer is placed in the direction of the fall. Don't you want the skid steer to be on the other side of the river, so when the tree comes down the line doesn't go instantly slack? Was the river and placement too difficult to do that? Or, would that possibly place so much strain on the rope it might pull the skid steer into the river?
Good question! The machine placement was mostly mandated by the access we had to certain areas. We couldn't take it off of the path. And the river was indeed in the way for getting the machine exactly perpendicular to the direction of fall. We did our best to redirect off of a couple tree to get the direction of pull as close to the river, and keep the machine on the path. As you heard Jon mention, I think we have nearly 500ft of rope involved 😅
It was developed that name too. As far as I know, the triple hinge and the shark gill are the same in principle at least. I think the shark gills name came from an attempted rebrand so someone could claim it as their creation 😅 all the old time loggers call it the triple hinge it seems 🤷♂️
I actually have one! Another friend of mine, Bo, bought me one for Christmas last year. It's a sweet piece and I love it. Jon had just picked up the Stihl one and wanted to give a couple of swings. It seemed like a pretty nice axe too.
Nice work! Why wasn’t an escape route used by the cutter? You were also an observer in the danger zone. All observers should be 2 times the height of the tree away. That’s how I was trained. 🤙🏻
You are correct, ANSI does specify all workers not directly involved in the falling process need to be 2 times the height of the tree away. I was there obviously for the purpose of videography and documentation. It was not something that I could have done from twice the height of the tree away. It was extra risk, but one that I was willing to take to bring this video to you. It would have been advisable for the cutter to leave the stump as per ANSI guidelines. This is a heavily debated topic in the industry, and I've learned that sharing my opinion with those who disagree with me rarely influences their position on the matter. That being said, this job was contracted by the cutter's business. As the business owner, he does not fall under the same safety requirements that an employee does if I understand employment law correctly (I'm definitely not a lawyer 😅). I would tend to advise anyone interested in my opinion to use an escape route if you're interested in my position.
That super dead wood can be so sketch cutting. Seems like you never know what's going to happen. They always seem to just let go unexpectedly and kinda blow up
@@HYDETREEWORKS Indeed, they didn't seem to hold on quite as well. Watching the video slowed down, I noticed that the fibers wanted to break off down where the beaver damage started
How far does the public have to stay awake? I never knew about this. I mean, I always tell them to stand back. But what is the feet or distance they need to by ansi
In the section of Z133 that I referenced there. The book says that all workers not directly involved in the felling process need to be twice the height of the tree away from the stump. It doesn't explicitly say by sanders, but I think it's safe to apply the principle the same way. I've definitely see stuff get thrown a long way out of a tree as it smashes down.
Another thing, buddy, the cutter never seen him. Look up one time when he was cuttin. Especially on dead trees. I look up every couple seconds, just something to think of God bless not telling Nobody what to do.
I appreciate your input, Bill. I did notice that as I was editing this video. I think it would have appropriate to look up a time or two in this scenario. It has been a very difficult habit for me to develope and I have suffered the consequences 🙄😅 I think there are times when exposing your face to falling objects can also be hazardous. I'm not sure if looking up is always 100% advisable. I do think it's a good default, though maybe.
@@zaccheus Yeah, like I said when I'm falling. I'm always looking up. I mean, every 2 seconds, that's just me. But everybody's different and what they're comfortable with god bless buddy great video
It did way more than a conventional hinge would have. But you're right, we didn't get as much out if it as we had hoped. Which is precisely why it's not good for use in urban settings with high value obstacles.
1:05 "that puts him in a better position for having more opportunities to experiment with low consequence situations". Lol this is the redundant psycho babble that people today spew out when they are in front of a camera becuase they have this inane need to constantly keep the drivel rolling out. Concise and correct wording was "he has better risk assessment skills".
Enjoyed the video. A really good job dropping those cottonwood trees. Especially the heavy leaner. He knows his "stuff".
Thank you, sir! Jon has definitely taught me some things, and I consider myself blessed to have him as an example.
That was really impressive watching it roll into the mouth at what looked like the 40 deg mark.
Good job, guys! Loved watching these come down.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
That was a serious leaner! awesome shot and good info!
Thanks man, Jon killed it!
Nice job John and you too Zach. That was quite a feat to get that leaner to move. I've always heard dead cottonwood hinges better than live. Y'all stay safe.
That's very intriguing! I recently dismantled a girdled white pine and I was incredibly surprised by how well it hinged. Thank you for sharing that Clell!
Great job john god bless
Great job John
George Jones sung it best, " Who's gonna fill their shoes. ". Great job by two Young pro's. Like watching some young ones take an interest in an old profession.
Thanks Bill!
Thanks Bill. I like that George Jones song. I also like that you call me young 😁
Also, the second tree with the triple hinge. It's a great technique, it really is. It comes in handy at times it seems like to me I could be wrong. He cut all his holding wood off on the side that the tree was leaning to I always leave at least 2 inches that way, it's still gives it something instead of breaking straight off but great job. Good work
I've seen it done both ways and I don't have experience to say what is better. I do know logger wade cuts his hinge wood off of the compression side of the hinge 🤷♂️
@@zaccheus Yeah, I understand buddy, I've done it a few times it's whatever the cutter is comfortable with God bless, buddy, stay safe.
@@zaccheus leave just a smidge on the compression side so the tree doesn’t set down from severing the hinge
That was fun to watch. I often wonder why the skid steer is placed in the direction of the fall. Don't you want the skid steer to be on the other side of the river, so when the tree comes down the line doesn't go instantly slack? Was the river and placement too difficult to do that? Or, would that possibly place so much strain on the rope it might pull the skid steer into the river?
Good question! The machine placement was mostly mandated by the access we had to certain areas. We couldn't take it off of the path. And the river was indeed in the way for getting the machine exactly perpendicular to the direction of fall. We did our best to redirect off of a couple tree to get the direction of pull as close to the river, and keep the machine on the path. As you heard Jon mention, I think we have nearly 500ft of rope involved 😅
Nice work sir . Keep safe
Thanks!
They were fun to use methods on them we normally don't have the luxury for!
Absolutely, thanks for letting be a part of the project!
Tree tops are way easier to clean up when they fall on a trail or road.😉 Paved roads are best in my opinion. Nice job John!
Haha thats right!
Ahh, the shark gills 🦈
I saw Patrick from Educated Climber do this on one of his vids.
interesting.
It was developed that name too. As far as I know, the triple hinge and the shark gill are the same in principle at least. I think the shark gills name came from an attempted rebrand so someone could claim it as their creation 😅 all the old time loggers call it the triple hinge it seems 🤷♂️
Also, buddy, you gotta get a custom ax from Jeff Schroeder. They are amazing. I see that's sthil one hanging on the tree l o l god bless
I actually have one! Another friend of mine, Bo, bought me one for Christmas last year. It's a sweet piece and I love it. Jon had just picked up the Stihl one and wanted to give a couple of swings. It seemed like a pretty nice axe too.
With Flat flopper Zaccheus and his sidekick Osage John nothing is impossible
Haha it's more like I'm the sidekick when Jon is around 😂
@zaccheus I knew that was the case BUT....I didn't see this on his channel
@@groundpounder24365 haha fair enough 😂
I question who the sidekick is 😁
@osagejon8972 There is no I in teamwork. Ya'll did a great job 🫡
Nice work! Why wasn’t an escape route used by the cutter? You were also an observer in the danger zone. All observers should be 2 times the height of the tree away. That’s how I was trained. 🤙🏻
You are correct, ANSI does specify all workers not directly involved in the falling process need to be 2 times the height of the tree away. I was there obviously for the purpose of videography and documentation. It was not something that I could have done from twice the height of the tree away. It was extra risk, but one that I was willing to take to bring this video to you. It would have been advisable for the cutter to leave the stump as per ANSI guidelines. This is a heavily debated topic in the industry, and I've learned that sharing my opinion with those who disagree with me rarely influences their position on the matter. That being said, this job was contracted by the cutter's business. As the business owner, he does not fall under the same safety requirements that an employee does if I understand employment law correctly (I'm definitely not a lawyer 😅). I would tend to advise anyone interested in my opinion to use an escape route if you're interested in my position.
That super dead wood can be so sketch cutting. Seems like you never know what's going to happen. They always seem to just let go unexpectedly and kinda blow up
Absolutely! Thats part of why Jon cut the big one first. We wanted to see how intact the fiber quality of the wood was.
@zaccheus makes total sense the first one seemed like the fibers were pretty good. The second didn't seem that way. Hell of a job though 👏
@@HYDETREEWORKS Indeed, they didn't seem to hold on quite as well. Watching the video slowed down, I noticed that the fibers wanted to break off down where the beaver damage started
How far does the public have to stay awake? I never knew about this. I mean, I always tell them to stand back. But what is the feet or distance they need to by ansi
In the section of Z133 that I referenced there. The book says that all workers not directly involved in the felling process need to be twice the height of the tree away from the stump. It doesn't explicitly say by sanders, but I think it's safe to apply the principle the same way. I've definitely see stuff get thrown a long way out of a tree as it smashes down.
What they doing with the wood? Just leaving it?
Yes, it was not in an easy place to get it out from
Another thing, buddy, the cutter never seen him. Look up one time when he was cuttin. Especially on dead trees. I look up every couple seconds, just something to think of God bless not telling Nobody what to do.
I appreciate your input, Bill. I did notice that as I was editing this video. I think it would have appropriate to look up a time or two in this scenario. It has been a very difficult habit for me to develope and I have suffered the consequences 🙄😅 I think there are times when exposing your face to falling objects can also be hazardous. I'm not sure if looking up is always 100% advisable. I do think it's a good default, though maybe.
@@zaccheus Yeah, like I said when I'm falling. I'm always looking up. I mean, every 2 seconds, that's just me. But everybody's different and what they're comfortable with god bless buddy great video
@br-dj2ti Thank you Bill!
Triple hinge didnt work very well lol smashed that walut
It did way more than a conventional hinge would have. But you're right, we didn't get as much out if it as we had hoped. Which is precisely why it's not good for use in urban settings with high value obstacles.
1:05 "that puts him in a better position for having more opportunities to experiment with low consequence situations".
Lol this is the redundant psycho babble that people today spew out when they are in front of a camera becuase they have this inane need to constantly keep the drivel rolling out.
Concise and correct wording was "he has better risk assessment skills".
Nope, wrong.