Why “Chromatic Mediants” sound so good!
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2024
- Enter the rabbit hole and learn pitch class inversion and the Ionian/Phrygian relationship.
It works with any scale, btw.
Also, this explains the sonically interesting things that “Negative Harmony,” and “Modal Interchange” try to explain, just in a different way. I think this “pitch-class-inversion” stuff does a better job explaining it, imo. Chromatic Mediants, Coltrane changes, Tadd Dameron turnaround, and other cool and stuff make a lot of sense with the “flippening!”
Follow-up video idea:
Dorian (symmetrical)
Ionian & Phrygian (inverted)
Locrian & Lydian (inverted)
Aeolian & Mixolydian (inverted)
Mixolydian b6 (aka Aeolian-Major) is the symmetrical set related to Melodic minor.
Double-Harmonic Major (symmetrical)
Harmonic minor (not symmetrical, flips to V of Harmonic major, Mixolydian b2)
If you’d like to check out my books and dig into this stuff further, I briefly mention this concept in my book, “Voicing Modes” but it’s a bigger part of my book “The 4-Note Universe”
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Pitches be flippin
They so do
Pitch please
Change my pitch up!
@@karlricardo4088 smack my pitch up
Whoa!
That joke deserves a bigger audience
This is that dream where you show up for class and there's a test and you haven't studied or even attended all semester.
...but then you just start strumming and jamming and somehow get all the licks right intuitively, and get full marks. ♥
@@Mathi80No, the dream OP was referring to ends with you having to return each and everything you've earned in your whole life because your diploma was flawed! 😂😢
can confirm that this stuff can haunt your dreams if you think about it enough
Causally drops the craziest palindrome and then just moves on
This is pretty cool, you did all the hard big brain work and then showed how it worked in simple terms
I was into the theory part, but never expected you to play such great guitar music to demonstrate the ideas! (I'm sure there a lot of people who can theory their way to the stars, yet not play their way out of a cardboard box, and vice versa)
Yep there are no great teachers who aren't also great players
Absolutely, I was stunned and immediately subscribed when he started playing, as my ears understood the concept before my head did.
Or a box made out of any other material.
I don’t think I have ever encountered this level of analysis and i love your sharing and your sound
Usually I’m unimpressed by music theory videos on UA-cam (they give me the same energy as fitness UA-camrs explaining science) but it’s clear you’ve done your reading and know the work. Great video.
Stunning… feels like entering a parallel universe, accompanied by beautiful sounds and melodies🙏
Mind: Blown!
Also, the best mic drop ever at 17:23: "Any interval relationship that exist in a major key, if you flip it, it exists in phrygian", and proceeds to not give any further explanation.
Very cool visual explanation of these concepts. Thank you!
It's explained at about 9 min mark
@@vecernicek2 and right at the start?
George Russell, in da House!
Awesome theory 🔥
Holy christ, I can't believe I found this video today. I was literally just trying to explain the relationship between C major and Ab major to my father this morning. This was the best explanation of this I've seen so far. Thanks so much!
I still don't understand where Ab major came from :(
@@GrandpaJeanC Phrygian has the same notes as Ab major.
C, Db, Eb, F, G, Ab, Bb
(LUKE!), Use the Force---
@@GrandpaJean Just think about how C ionian, D dorian, E phrygian etc are related (they are all the same notes, or the same scale with different starting points). In that same way, Ab ionian is the same scale as C phrygian. We can also think about it in Bb dorian or any other parallel scale to C phrygian.
Damn.. this really brings some of those nice smooth Holdsworth type runs into focus. Thank you for making it so easy to see these relationships. Amazing!
Exactly what I was thinking!
I hadn't yet been exposed to this type of analysis, thank you, this is awesome. I like how the chart shows how Dorian is symmetric about inversion, it follows that aeolian is mirrored mixolydian, and locrian is mirrored lydian. worth noting that this type of thinking (graphically on a scale representation) can be applied to the circle of fifths, where similar symmetries show up. Any major scale is a simple consecutive sequence of notes on the circle. In that system chromatic motion jumps across the circle, suspended chords are small groups & major/minor tonality can be seen graphically. The old trick of moving a major 7 chord up or down a major 3rd is a good example. What would be really cool is a way to look at this that incorporates multiple octave spread, like the fabled 7#9 Hendrix chord (which you most certainly can't play in any old inversion, say with the #9 in the bass). sorry for the long comment. too much coffee. shout out to logitech ergo trackballs.
You've just explained something I've done instinctively for years but (beyond modes) never understood exactly what or why of what was happening until today - the mirror image concept floored me: thank you, Noel!
nice. i've always seen this but it never occurred to me to use a circle, which is way more useful. i always laid it out in a straight line. 1=1, b2=7, 2=b7 etc... i appreciate what you're doing. thanks!
oh my god I love this. I've been intuitively aware of this sound for a long time but to hear it explained so thoroughly makes me so happy!
Hey! I took jazz guitar lwssons from you back in 2022, and you changed the way i look at guitar. Got this video reccomended, and by 30 seconds i realized it was you lol. You continue to give MOUNTAINS of knowledge to people all over the world and thats awesome B) keep it up king
It makes it even easier that flipping the intervals mean that every flipped interval is not a note of the original key but since the 1,4,5 are perfect intervals there ain’t going “out of key” if u flip them, that’s why even when you flip the whole key, the 1, 4 and five will work every time!!
Aman
Absolutely never came across this symmetry, and I was struggling to follow you, but once you played through those chords, the mirror was revealed. Fascinating, thanks for breaking it down!
Brilliant playing and utilization of visual tools. Long time admirer of yours, Noel. Cheers! ✌🏽
Great explanation! This is all stuff I've picked up in various ways over the years, but I haven't seen it all distilled like this.
I am obsessed now. This is amazing. Thank you 🙏
Wow, I've never thought of it like this.. it changes everything and really opens the concept up.. THANK YOU, subscribed !
The fact that sound can work in a such a structured way says a lot about the nature of the universe.
No it does not. Look up the Pythagorean comma. Over time western society or musicians (or whatever you will call it) have agreed that a 12 tone equal temperament system will suffice. It is however full of compromise, as would any equal temperament system be.
All the symmetries explained in this video simply boils down to clock maths (modulo counting). It is very cool, and interesting in both a mathematical and musical context, but there is no magic here, more than perhaps the equivalence class of octaves, and relative primeness.
The video is great though, and I think all musicians can benefit from this sort of knowledge.
I think you might be slightly misunderstanding what I’m saying. I understand that this system is manmade, but we didn’t create the rules that allow for such a system to be possible.
@@romanwyatt9994exactly
@@romanwyatt9994 ?
is math created, or discovered? cause it comes down to that, pure semantics
Not quite got it theoretically from one viewing, but tonally from the playing demo, my ear gets it. You’ve definitely inspired me to read more about the concept.
In more crude terms, C phrygian is C major mirrored. Instead of WWHWWWH it is exactly backwards HWWWHWW. So in the way that a major 3rd interval and minor 6th interval are the same but different, C major and C phrygian (aka Ab major) are also the same but different. If that makes sense and assuming I understand correctly lol
I kinda get it now in theory, but my ears certainly understood it before my head
What an encouraging aditude.
Discovering common sense' how to's' inside harmonies vs theory vs thefretboard...Brilliant! Thank you for sharing
Thank you so much, Noel. I really appreciate your knowledge and musicality.
I used to explore rotations of scale shapes on the fretboard: taking a given scale pattern and going down instead of up. I noticed the Dorian thing too. If you rotate it 180 degrees on the fretboard, it's still Dorian. Ionian is TTSTTTS (tone, tone, semitone, ...). Dorian is TSTTTST. And of course, that is a palindrome. I did also notice that when you rotate a major scale pattern 180 degrees on the fretboard, you get the Phrygian shape.
Very cool! I discovered some of this on my own but love how you have flushed it all out, as well as that circular diagram is beautiful. Thanks! P.S. Love how the Dorian (my favorite mode) is so beautiful and symmetrical... that explains a lot!
Nice work, Mr. Johnston. I subscribed with the hopes of seeing more about this topic in time. I "almost" get it. So I'm hoping to see something where you dumb it down a tad for us theoretically challenged. I've been playing for years, I actually do a lot of what you are showing, but by ear. To see it in structure is really satisfying. I am always in awe of the beautiful precision that music affords. Thank you, sir!!
Had heard of this stuff but never seen it put in such a way where I immediatly grasped Flippertronical Concepts 👍
Great, I'm so glad I stumbled upon your video.
Love your contant and the way you look/describe music. Also amazingly illustrated. Ill be checking you video's and music!
Thanks!
This is possibly the most valuable lesson for fusion guitarists. Amazing!
I have intuitively understood this but could not figure out the symmetry. This is a wild way to look at harmony, but it makes complete sense. I could never figure out how many combinations of weird chords sounded so great together. Now I know. Thank you!🎸
I like how you made this practical! Nice work!
heavent seen such a well composed lesson in a long time! you have an awesome way of teaching! keep it going man!
This is the best theory lesson I've had in a very long time, between the easy to grasp visualizations and your clear and concise teaching style, it's given me a lot to think about and work with. Thank you much!!
hopefully you get to a point where you realize this guy stinks
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@@ili626only my wife gets to that point!
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My ears are enjoying the more recent technology. Thanks for lightening the sound space Noel.
this lesson is great, and I'm really diggin' your tone.
This opened up my ears with the demonstrations & eyes with the diagram, Wow!
First Time Here. The visual stuff was not plugging in but when you started playing it was like you were telling me how I feel. Thanks for sharing the way you play and for knowing what you know and sharing the puzzle of your connectedness!
This is a great video. You explained this concept excellently in simple language with practical examples.
great work Noel and an invaluable resource
Thanks man, this was great! it was so good to SEE the relationships of the notes!
Congrats, you uncovered all the outtakes from Steely Dan's Aja sessions. I'm sure Larry Carlton has a closet full of notes that work out every possible chord partial at each position. Any major dude would surely tell you this.
Very interesting. I appreciate your visualizations. Makes sense! Thanks.
I figured this out years ago messing around with inversions and understanding the relationship between intervals when they’re switched around.
I’m so angry I never saw this spatial relationship before as you represented! 😩
This would’ve helped me so much years ago!
Bravo! This is going to help so many people
Very helpful video! Thank you for putting this out.
Awersome lesson, thank you. Your guitar sounds amazing!
Thanks for your highly informative, and thought provoking exposition on a lot of deep and intense music theory.
My - you certainly inverted my mind and thinking process - which is not a bad thing. 🤙🏻🙏🤙🏻
I like how even you are marveling at this whole crazy thing! :)
DUUUUUUUDE. 🤯
AND(!) I appreciate how you helped me realize how so much of all the “non diatonic” harmony I’ve been hearing in popular music works from a theory standpoint.
Awesome video! I’ve been meaning to get around to negative harmony and just randomly saw your video. Super excited to apply this to my songs!
Yeah man! Thank you for this breakdown, ima use this on the bandstand and in my writing 🔥
This more than earned a subscription. You're a good teacher dude. Good player too.
Tuvok covers his cell with notes and diagrams, nobody can understand his deranged ramblings... but in the end he's right!
Actually I enjoyed this a lot, the theory and the playing. Great to have the key to your thinking on those chill licks.
Will definitely try it out.
Love this kind of analysis. Thanks
What a great lesson! Had me playing for hours😊
Nice playing, great video, & awesome teaching!
Amazing playing and knowledge, I couldn't follow along that well but still learned a few new things. I think you could package/deliver this in a more concise or ready to apply sort of way and I'm planning to watch it again to see what I can distill out of it. The tone and plying a ton the 12 min mark was pretty incredible.
I was a student of Noel's several years ago. One of the best minds and humans in the business.
Holy shit i think this is exactly what I've been looking for for *years* now, thank you!
Interesting. I have felt these relationships, but mostly subconsciously. I'll have to think about the insightful way you organized them. Thanks
Very cool and interesting! also your playing versatility is amazing, you are a great musician!
cool stuff man, thanks! The mathematics of music never ceases to reveal some mindblowing stuff. Its like everything we've learned from the beginning of our education just continues to be this never ending series of aha moments!
How modest you are and how generous with your knowledge. I’m now wondering what’s possible if this visual system is combined with cymatics somehow… cooooool 😊
Fascinating and very enjoyable
I've never seen or heard of this pitch clock, but it makes my brain happy
Thank you so much. Amazing knowledge that can be applied. I am very interested
we in Germany call that Komplimentärintervalle, "Intervall" is the name for the distance of two notes to each other, "Komplimentär" means, they complete each other to an octave. To explain it this way is actually much easier.
I find it important to recognize, that those complementair intervalls have the same character. 4th to a 5th (they both sound square), 3rd to a 6t (they sound both harmonic), 2nd to a seventh (they both sound disharmonic). So there are in fact only three different classes of sounds: square, harm,onic and disharmonic.
Dude I really like your professional attitude about Music.
Good teacher coming from another teacher
This was very helpful. Thank you.
Nice visualisation and cool combining scales so effectively
Thanks man took me a minute to get it but this opens a whole new world to explore lol
Noel thank you! new subscriber now 😮 I am going to try tuning in 4ths making the intervals on the neck symmetrical
ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!! THANKS FOR THIS!! GOD BLESS YOU!!!
It's a great visual aid, great explanation. I was not long ago trying to figure out this, it seems I got it but didn't think too much about it. I'll be waiting for Dorian inverting to itself, Lydian to Locrian and Aeolian to Mixolydian. I haven't done it visually but I'll try it. Anyhow, your explanation and examples are superb, and I appreciate the link between tonal and pitch class numbers and the "rotation" term, which I didn't know, regards!
It's very interesting. It's going to take some time to fully grasp, but I'm getting some of it. Thnx
Fantastic playing, great phrasing. I must admit, however, that I got very lost. I followed along fine during much of the theory explanation, but when the four chords (over which he comped) rather suddenly appeared - I could not see the connection. Maybe it’s over my head right now.
The solo playing, phrasing, tone and execution were just beautiful.
Sorry about that! I could have taken more time to explain that. I just picked various chords from the key of C and alternated them with chords from the key of Ab.
Various chords in the key of C:
Cmaj7, Dmi11, C2/E, Fmaj7(#11), G7sus (etc) zig-zagged with various chords in the key of Ab: (Abmaj7, Bbmi11, etc…)
@@nohjoh08 Thanks Noel. Your additional explanation is helpful, and much appreciated. I think I now understand where the chords came from: mixing keys of C and Ab. I must say: the idea of mixing chords from the C (Major) and Ab (Major) keys together in the same progression is something I have never encountered before. Your playing makes it sound fantastic. I have much to learn. Thank you again.
Keep making these videos! Also please record something with that progression cause it was real nice
Beautiful theory! Tks for sharing
This is super interesting and new way of looking at theory than I've ever really seen taught.
agree, interesting palindrome, and even more interesting and satisfying progression and melodic improvisation. Reminds me a lot of some of the early ECM artists. Very nice!
Noel, great video. I have noticed in my many years of study of tone root mirroring this: fifths lift and fourths force.
Meaning, on 2 levels, that that the 5th is a natural ascending harmonic in the overtone series and the same to the ear: 1-5-2-6 ^
Where, it's (mirror) opposite direction (4th) 1-4-b7-b3 'forces' a downward, non sympathetic 'grounding' path(os).
It can be determined by the tonal output which direction generates 'Lift' and which does 'Decent', Major = Up and Minor = Down.
Amazing explanation!
That was outstanding. Thank you.
Absolutely brilliant, I realise more and more that western music is really just all about having the twelve tones felt, and this is further poof, but like all scales and concepts, maps out a brilliant and additional way of exploring it all. Thank you!
Great lesson! The chromatic mediants are so warm and enchanting. The major scale reversed is the Phrygian scale. Instead of a rising tetrachord from C to F, you have a falling tetrachord of the same intervals two whole steps and one half step from C down to G. There is a beautiful Indian Raga built on that symmetry. half the scale is from C major and the other half is from C phrygian. The Geometry of music is an aesthetically pleasing way to embrace concepts in music theory. I'm just getting into it but I'm willing to wager a lot that it will be a fruitful path to pursue.
Great lesson. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for sharing this lesson and your viewpoint on it!!! Having the graphics were so helpful. I kind of wish I got this with my theory, but I guess an undergrad wouldn't cover it. I remember the complimentary intervals and even a bit about how some of these transpositions can happen; however, having the geometry there helped me "visualize" it all better, much like examining things through a Circle of Fifths. I'm sure my ears kind of understand it anyway. And I really enjoy the colors of modal interchange, adding so much color to the "bread and potatoes" diatonic major scale. Heck, just seeing all those note relations and then rotating to show Ionic to Dorian flicked on a light switch in my head. I'm going to have fun exploring more of this "flippening".
So Cool! "Wind Cries Mary", my favotite song, all the Chords have Vs on the bottom, bewitching! Thanks for the visuals! And, Ive got a Tele with a firebird p/u in the neck, love it!
great vid. makes it very intuitive
Great video. Always wondered about why Ab sounds so powerful in C major. What an excellent explanation. Super valuable information here. Thank you!
Thank you! Anyone that can play the Chaconne deserves my respect! 🙇
@@nohjoh08 Aww, thanks so much! Glad I found your videos. Will be paying attention.
I've studied music theory for years (just as a hobby), but I've never even heard of this concept before!
Thank you Noel
Loved this, thank you
Man i love your tone
Movable Axis negative harmony for the major scale harmonizes with all 12 key centers. 7 modes and 5 "hyper" modes.
Axis line on and between key centers on the circle of 5ths works out the same as having all the notes in order around the circle.
C Major
F/C = C Locrian
C = C Phrygian
C/G = C Aeolian
G = C Dorian
G/D = C Mixolydian
D = C Ionian
D/A = C Lydian
A = C# Locrian
A/E = C# Phrygian
E = C# Aeolian
E/B = C# Dorian
B = C# Mixolydian
I thought that was how it all worked out. I had to check and share.
Great theory to work with!
in practice, i find thinking about borrowing from the relative minor key to be much easier.
there are differences, (off by one flat), but if you play between C and Eb (C minor) you get mostly the same harmonic characteriatics and beauty as the one demonstrated in this video!
Thanks for sharing, i appreciate this as a hobby mathematician!
Have never thought of chromatic mediants this way, fascinating stuff!
Love the way u practice bruv thanks for kindly telling me I’ve been doing it wrong lol
Damn great video. Ive always wondered how my favorite rock/metal bands can switch to chords in a different key and sound amazing.