But Arch... The Legion of The Damned DID appear on Cadia! They were accidentaly summoned by a random sorcerer who was trying to get some deamonic reinforcements... and then they poofed in and killed him, and started slaying every deamon and chaos worshiper in sight. Then they disappeared when the Pylon was turned on.
"They never actually reload their weapons... ever." So... they have Ork meks put an 'INFINNUT DAKKA' sticky note an otherwise empty bolter magazine, and therefore never run out of ammo?
Well, uh, I... huh. Good point. Although now that I think about it, Orks would probably just paint/scratch the words "INFINNUT DAKKA" on the inside of the empty bolter magazine instead of using something silly like a sticky note.
The orcs have a rihno that runs on a cardboard engine. I can't remember the book but that shit is cannon. Hell arch brings it up so does fiorra the tank girl during the orc vehicle brakedown with tactical imperialist I think.
Fiaura and 40k theories mention it in... the Ork episode of their Blitzkrieg series I believe. On an amusing side note: Apparently Ork aircraft are actually the most aerodynamic flyers in all of 40k. Might have something to do with being Orkified versions of a bunch of WW2-era planes, but that's just a minor detail in the grand scheme of things.
The Legion of the damned very likely are "Loyalist Daemons", too many things point to it. - Their Bolters pass through body armor without damaging it, and murderfuck the body behind it - They can literally phase out of reality to avoid massed weapons fire, literally walking through it to murderfuck their enemies - They are stupidly strong (as in muscle strength) in comparison to normal Astartes - They only appear when the need is the most dire, that is a very strong emotion which could manifest them - The Legion's mobile fortress doesn't register as active or functioning at all when it enters a system to deploy it's coffin style-drop pods
@@jasonaxiak6316 I mean that could make sense, the Imperium would condemn thier existence but I don't think they would turn down the assistance and there's seemingly not much they could do about them. That also presumes they know the LoTD are Daemons in the instance they are.
@@jasonaxiak6316 Well if we consider that the entirety of the Imperium of Man prays to the Emperor as if he´d be a god. And that the miracles done by the sisters of battle are done so with warp energy. The emperor may aswell be a chaos god at this point.
By that logic, there must be a “Warp Emperor” of sorts, a “chaos” God (I put chaos in quotations because these guys aren’t chaos-aligned) that spawns these Legionaries. I’d like to see how he reacts to the Emperor on Terra.
Arch, in the Larking sniper episode, you forgot one critical detail. The "Angel" lent him a piece of her dress to help steady his rifle. That piece was still there when she disappeared.
Can you imagine what would happen tot he Blood Angels and their successor chapters if it was found out that Big E was in the warp as a full on entity and his prince was Sanguinious? A lot of their negatives would go away. The blood rage that was due to his death would go away when they see he is now the greatest champion of the God Emperor. Instead of reliving his death constantly and getting pissed, they would see images of him fighting the good fight and slaughtering daemons. Frankly the Grey Knights would have a contender for chaos fighting chapter with the level of dedication THAT imagery would create.
Ok but all I can imagine is OLLINUS MOTHERFUCKING PIOUS if he were to even have a sliver of a soul left would be big E's personally crafted ancient daemon and for those who don't know what a ancient daemon is imagine a normal greater daemon ok and then time that shit by a couple hundred and you get roughly what a ancient daemon is so imagine that but with the sheer balls of OLLINUS MOTHERFUCKING PIOUS yeah if I was a heretic I change sides really fucking quick
Maybe they aren't so much Demons of the believe in the Emperor, but Demons of loyalty. Loyalty is certainly something that the Imperium and especially the Astartes have plenty of, certainly more than any other faction in quantity, quality or both. And it's closer to a base concept or emotion rather than believe in the Emperor which is more of a higher concept. Though considering the Eldar Gods, we know that Gods being the manifests of roles rather than emotions can exist in some way or form. The Legion of the Damned uses fire... and in the Imperium fire is a symbol of purity, of purging and cleansing. That would certainly fit in with either way.
This whole demons of a warp entity (like the Emperor) seems so 40K. Even the greatest forces fighting to defend the Imperium from Chaos IS basically Chaos.
@Quipper: What? Why?... This theories assumes that the Legion of the Damned are Demons that come into existence from the combined loyalty of all the galaxy's living beings resonating in the warp. With Humans making out such a sizable chunk of this overall population and them being generally quite loyal it would make sense that anything that was created from this collective loyalty would be on the side of the Imperium rather than any other species. The Grey Knights are living and corporeal beings and thus don't exist by the same rules as warp-entities. Though because of the depth of their loyalty and because they are all very powerful psykers and thus impact the warp to be bigger degree than regular Humans, the Grey Knight's loyalty is probably a rather significant contributor to the overall thing.
The scene with the sniper you mention. "Mad Larkin" as he's called suffers from really bad headaches. He think's he's hallucinating when he's talking to the angel. And the scene plays out as you said except when he needs something to help hold steady his rifle. The angel tears a piece from her clothes and gives it to him. He aims, takes the shot and kills the cult leader. And completely blacks out faterwards. Later when the other members of his unit come for him. He see's the statue and that bit of charred cloth around his sniper rifle.
Reason #540 to not join Chaos Kiddies, the Emperor of Mankind will give you an infinite ammo flaming Boltgun when you die in his name and that topples anything Chaos can offer.
What if they aren't possessed Space Marines but actually possessed space marine wargear? It would explain the whole. walking off tank shells not caring about being on fire 24/7 and infinite ammo guns the armor wouldn't understand dying so it would never stop fighting until it was damage to such a point that it would be unable to function. the guns don't know what this "reloading" crap is and would just fire endlessly cause thats what they are made to do. Hell it might even explain the lack of vocalizations because armor doesn't have lungs.
You make a very, VERY, interesting argument. Especially if they are actually the "Daemons" of a warp entity. War gear doesn't believe in the machine spirit, ammo, fear, it only knows war, violence and death.
Exactly. All the gear would understand is pitched battles for a cause during times of grand desperation so it would also explain the whole showing up at the least second and disappearing with out a trace thing.
@@temkin9298 Someone in another post noted that they got summoned by a sorcerer by accident when they were trying to summon a demon. Perhaps that resulted in them essentially being properly summoned so that they didn't have anywhere near as restrictive a time limit. At least until the pylons went nuts.
To weigh in with my admittedly layman thoughts: Based on what I've learned (mostly from Arch but also others) about Daemons, it makes perfect sense that IF the Emperor has Chaos-God level powers, then these could be daemons of the Emperor, literally Avenging Angels of the Purifying Fire of the Emperor's Light and Reason. And the Emperor's own primary emotional drive has been the preservation of Mankind....so in the darkest hours when a group of Mankind cries out desperate enough, it would make sense that the Emperor could directly sense it and manifest his Avenging Angels. Plus, remember in addition to all of that pesky Emperor Worship, which he technically never wanted in the first place.....they also sacrifice a rather specific number of psykers per day. Like a "Chapter" of psykers.......which would have souls that could be maintained in the Warp and tied/directed by a being powerful enough to be their....Emperor.....could be that those psykers aren't just 'batteries' fueling the Emperor, but also the Emperor's Spirit is giving them direct active purpose, sending those souls as his Warp Legion where he wills. For instance battling Warp Entities in the Warp itself....and when he wills, on occasion popping out of the Warp into Reality to protect mankind. The only way to test this theorem would be to have a Grey Knight attempt to strike down a Legionary of the Damned with the purifying psyker powers given by the Emperor. If correct, then it should wrap around the Legionary like a warm blanket and do absolutely nothing whatsoever. Or a Legionary and a Grey Knight touch.....in which case the Legionary's power should thrum through the Grey Knight like he's just been plugged into a superconducting cable emanating from a Battleship-sized reactor as the Grey Knight would already be set up to be a conduit and focus for Emperor-styled psyker energy.
Nothing of this makes any sense. The speed is the same, the thing that change are frequency, wavelength and energy. Blue light is has got more energy than red light. Redshifting is basically the light version of the doppler effect. And does sound travel slower when i'm moving? No.
Arch I think you should make a Lore video about the oppressed and marginalized Black Templars. As you know they are a misunderstood Chapter of peace that need better representation. Be an ally of The Black Templars.
Speaking of the Beast Arises, are you ever going to finish covering that series of novels or are we going to left hanging just before Vulcan showed up?
He did talk to Guilliman. In fact, it traumatized Guilliman. Read the novel Dark Imperium, the Emperor told him the truth, that Primarchs were tools and were seen as such. The last chapter of the book has Guilliman trying understand the Emperor`s state, a God or not.
Given all the most recent books featuring the emperor i would say he most certainly does see his sons as tools and would not be opposed to sacrificing them for the benefit of his long term plans, hes a big picture kind of guy. Just look at MoM where he uses Ra to contain Drach'nyen, and his earlier conversation with arkan land regarding Angron. We still don't know how the final confrontation between emps and horus will go and it could turn out that he did not hesitate to kill horus at all and the whole "he loved horus and so hesitated to kill him" could just be another persons interpretation of events or imperial propaganda.
Do remember everyone, the current Emperor today is less than a fraction of Emperor from before his enthronement on Terra, whatever Guilliman talked to is less than a random snot spewed out into hiveworld's sewers than the Emperor, hell even less than human..
"explain to me why the hell he chose to put himself through ten thousands years of absolute pain and misery just to light the astronomicon and protecting the human race if he is such a heartless brute, because surely if he sees his own sons as tools, he must view humanity in a roughly similiar manner?" As i said above, the emperor is a big picture kind of guy, his whole goal as laid out in MoM is shepherding mankind into the webway so that man can evolve into the psychic race its destined to be safe from the dangers of chaos. Why is he so intent on this plan? probably because he does care for humanity as a whole, however being a pragmatist rather than an idealist he knows that sacrifices have to be made and is willing to make them. He goes out his way to find the primarchs because they are integral to his plans and leading the great crusade, not because he loves them. He also fails to connect with several of them (curze, morty, pert, angron) and barely spends any time with alpharius as the great crusade is well underway at that point. The emperor is a manipulative SOB, he uses his psychic powers to make the best possible impression on all those around him (but blanks see him just as a tired looking man). He admits to only holding parades/ceremonies to satisfy the primarchs pride, Who is to say that him connecting with certain primarchs was nothing more than subtle manipulations. Currently there is nothing to suggest that the emperor loved his "sons", hell, he spends most of MoM connecting with Ra (one of his handcrafted custodes), telling him what a snowflake he is, only to sacrifice him because he had no alternative to stop the end of empires , and he coldly regards Angron as broken but useful (ahem, tool!). Go ahead and find something to the contrary and I may be inclined to believe you, but as it stands in all of the Emperor's BL showings he has shown that ultimately he is willing to sacrifice anything and everything to further his goals, even bargaining with the chaos gods themselves.
Wait a minute... didn't the Legion of the damned show up on cadia? I'm like 90% sure they did and when Tech-boy Crawl turned on the Anti-warp gate thing-a-ma-bob it weakened all warp entities on the planet like all the demons including the Legion of the damned and Saint Celestine, I'm pretty sure you and EgoQueen did a video talking about that part and the fall of cadia book it self
They did, Bel'akor tried to summon demonic reinforcements to fight the Fists on there ship above terra because he was losing the battle I think... not to sure if he was winning or losing though but Bel'akor was trying to bring in more dudes and he instead summoned around him self the legion of the Damned and all parties involved had a moment of W T F before the Legion opened fire on the Bel'akor and his Allies then turning around at the Fists and gave them a friendly wave
Gigatwin yeah, actually they started out on the Phalanx when it got attacked by Belakor. Then when it reached Cadia and destroyed the Blackstone Fortress, they fought on Cadia. Theres actually a passage in the Gathering Storm book, the Imperial Fists Captain knows about them and is wondering why theyre still there and havent disappeared, while the Phalanx was on its way to Cadia
I'm new to WH40K and I've been going around youtube looking up lore and this is the first video of yours Arch that I've seen and thank you for teaching me about the Legion of the Damned while also making it funny as hell with the colorful commentary lol
Patrick Sandqvist I have theorised that Arch has spotted A Random Crusaders constant demands and is trolling him for a laugh by teasing him for as long as possible before giving him what he wants. After all Arch has to get some entertainment out of his followers here and there and A Random Crusader has certainly made a pretty big target of himself there.
Arch 38:30 You single handedly nailed down my ENTIRE beef with Frank Herbert and his writing of Dune. Absolute master of world building, dialog, and layered intrigue.. Hundreds upon hundreds of pages leading up to the fall of house Atraides. Entire battle? 3 pages. Pivotal knife duels? 4 paragraphs.
Arch, You never cease to crack me up... your eloquence in describing things of the 40k nature always give me a good chuckle and get me through my days here in the office... keep it up, good Sir.
If our angels were like 40k: "Hail Mary full of grace, you are about to give birth to the messiah!" "But how....?" Gabriels takes out a bolt pistol. "Because the big boss says so." "Yes sir. I'm the LORD's handmaid."
@@duncanharrell5009 Astartes and angels have in common that usually one is scared shitless beholding one. Your average citizen may wish to see an Astartes in his life but they are better of when they never do. Them rescuing your planet has this plague of Egypt feeling
@@anaterrofayinescrim I think they're more like daemon princes. Considering how living saints work, it would make more sense to be daemon princes than deamons.
Hey arch i have a theory. We know from hh that the golden throne requires a lot of consentration and power, from the fact it sapped malcador to the point of death, and from hh and vulkans lore in general we know that to regenerate one needs to be left alone in queiet and peace, so maybe the reasonn the emps cant regenerate is because he is to focused on microing the astronomican and keeping the webway shut, i mean its not far from imposible that a half dead person doesnt have enough mental consentration to heal himself keep a webway shut and guide astronomican. So my thought is, seing as golden throne is partialy eldar tech and that eldars are very strong psykers, could an eldar man it long enough to let the emps catch his breath and regenerate from his injuries?
Sooo, make the Custodes catch some powerful Eldar psykers and have them be enslaved to the Golden Throne and we get back our glorious Emperor? Lets do it!
I'm pretty sure that might be how they bring the emperor back, but when they do bring the emperor then that means the 40k universe has to on some crazy shit with all factions being at a sort of equal except the tau cause fuck them
A really good book regarding Legion of the Damned is called, unsurprisingly, Legion Of The Damned, by Rob Sanders (Black Library approved). Its about the Excoriators chapter about to face a world ending enemy and in the last moments the Legion appears and ends everyone. Really really good story and even has Sisters of Battle as a bonus. There is mention of the Legion's ship in that story however, and its huge, bigger than Certus Minor's moon, and very very old. Their boltguns are more akin to cannons as well, and also ancient.
I couldn't remember specifically I think your right (looks at book on shelf) either way it was more the fact the clouth was still their that was important
I'm personally for the "vengeful spirits of fallen marines" theory. One source for this is Graham McNeill's Ultramarines books, in which the Legion of the Damned arrives to save the ultrabacon and Uriel Ventris briefly sees a familiar face amongst the legionnaires before they vanish.
Arch. Please talk about Gaunt's Ghosts a bit before we see the end of the book series. I think I re-read the whole goddamn series almost as much as the discworld series, and that is not a statement I throw around lightly. :D Kudos for bringing up Larkins episode with the angel. Greetings from the ass-end of nowhere, Poland, and have a nice evening!
Yo, thanks for making such awesome content. You got me into Warhammer 40K and I just finished painting my first space marine while listening to this video. It was Zen as fuck.
Forgot to mention that it was not just an angel that Larkin saw. The angel claimed to have known the Saint (Sabbat) And when he came to sure there was just the statue. But he had a swathe of pure white cloth that the angel had given him wrapped around the barrel of his gun. Showing that there was some physical interaction/interference.
The example of the sniper forgot to mention that the sniper in question is actually borderline insane. Although I think Larkin (the sniper) is actually a minor psyker. When je looks through his scope, he can see what's actually there, rather than what other people want him to see. he can see through active psychic illusions generated by an Eldar Farseer.
A good example of spirits coming back is the Gaunt's Ghosts book, Only in Death. The members of the Tanith 1st that had died before had come back to warn the living about coming attacks.
The Best Legion in the Imperium and loyal ONLY to The EMPEROR, The Marty's of Massacred Astartes on Istvan , to avenge the Emperor and Theirs Lost Brothers I salute Them !!!!!!😎
It's nice to know that Chaos isn't the only one that gets all the good stuff and gifts the universe has to offer like corrupted STCs producing all mannerisms of powerful foreboding technology like the iron warriors, with psychic powers granted mutated space marines... and that at least the Empire seems to have a few tricks up it's own sleeve! Finally, something of seemingly implausible strength that can wreak havoc upon the enemies of the imperium in times of need and are perhaps a bane to the forces of Chaos themselves while also being apart of the warp!
In one of the Black Legion books the chaos space marines mention planets within the Eye of Terror that are covered by the Astronomican and that those planets are full of burning angels and creatures covered in fire that fight with the forces of chaos.So they are most likely literal daemons of the emperor.
One more thing about the Sniper scene you described. It wasn't a hallucination, he retained a piece of cloth the angel gifted him to keep his barrel steady on the rest he chose, as he would otherwise usually tear his cloak for a strip. It was a manifestation of the Emperor's Will through the Warp in the same way Chaos Gods can.
in the gaunts ghost tale about larkin you forgot one little detail which is interessting. he got a little piece of cloth from here which he needed for his riffle, this piece remained even after the angel vanished
Oh arch, did u forget the earlier video where even u mentioned that one appearance amongst the Ultrasmurfs campaign on Calth, that one of the Damned has a “Barely legible inverted Omega symbol on its shoulder.” ??? Hast thou forgotten that little fact that you pointed out??
Legion of The Damned, first appeared during Horus Heresy: "Shapes raged in the flames - shadows and suggestions doing battle with the daemons, their fiery forms indistinct and ever-changing. The fire-born avatars of fallen Ten Thousand, knee-deep in psychic fire and thrusting with lances of flame. The silhouettes of Space Marines, the betrayed dead of Isstvan bearing axes and blades and claws; half-seen sigils of slaughtered Legions obscured by the ash of their blackened armour. A giant among giants, its great hands bared and ready as it seared forwards at the crest of the tidal fire. The tenth son of a dying empire, so briefly reborn in his father’s immolating wrath..." An extract from "The Master of Mankind"
@@Daimon-X Supports the theory that the legion of the damned are the Isstvan dropsite massacred brought back by the collective belief of the Imperium as to the divinity of the Emperor.
I got this insane theory that they are the members of the second and eleventh legions. I think that the emperor tried to create warp based soldiers and he killed them in a convoluted way so that they could become his soldiers in the warp (The Primarchs and Malcador the Sigillite would have known about this). After seeing what happened the emperor would have assumed they have been destroyed and just decided to destroy any trace of them (possible outrage, I got no idea how to explain this).
I have a throry about these and it kind of makes sense in both the light of The Emperor being a chaos god and otherwise. Basically the legion of the damned are 'cleansed' chaos marines. You can't go five minutes within the Imperium without hearing 'his spirit has been cleaned by the Emperor's holy fire'. This would absolutely explain why they're on fire. It represents the cleansed spirit literally burning away it's chaos taint. It would explain why their bolters never run out of ammo, and why they're veterens of a hundred battles. Firstly because most chaos space marines are fucking old, so would be a veteren of hundreds of battles, their bolters never run out of ammo because it represents the 'balancing?' of the chaos taint. Every round fired in the name of chaos is redeemed by a round fired by their cleansed spirits. They look like ghosts because they literally are ghosts, their iconography burning brightly is where the cleansing fire originates and it also explains why they can travel around very quickly. There's either an absolute shitton of them, meaning each individual appearance is made up by individual souls spread about the universe, or, and I prefer this theory, they act like the chaos god's focus, namely being drawn to where the Emperor's subjects are doing the most 'cleansing', where the belief of the emperor's holy purging fire is the strongest. I feel like the Emperor keeping the webway closed might play a part in it too. If the souls of a Marine or any imperium citizen is with the Emperor in death, then perhaps the Emperor can not only control who he keeps out of the webway gate, but who he can let in. IDK though. I do think them being cleansed Chaos souls makes a lot of sense, I don't think they would be tied to one chapter because on super grand narratives it makes more sense that they represent the imperium of man as a whole rather than one pansy chapter. You just wouldn't be able to manifest that many souls otherwise.
They are dead guardsmen. They were so loyal and hated the enemies of the Emperor so much, that the Emperor blessed then by allowing them to continue fighting. That's final.
My favorite theory on 40k is that 1 or more of the missing primarchs, particularly those known to have traveled into the eye of terror, may be leading the legion of the damned.
I think Big E (the warp entity) could actually feed on one emotion: determination. Khorn is fed by acts if butchery, tzeench by schemes and betrayal, Nurgle by rot and disease and despair, Slaanesh by 30" high voltage Bad Dragon Assblasters, and the God Emperor is fed by soldiers holding the damn line. Never giving an inch, never surrendering, and fighting the horrors in the dark, down to the last man.
These would also explain why the Legion of the Damned behaves how they do. They appear where there is enough valour and determination to sustain them, ie when some of the forces of the Imperium are staring death in the face, and go for one final charge, a last "fuck you" to the enemies of mankind, and steel themselves to go out in a blaze of glory
@16:00 That's Larkin, great sniper but he has mental issues and ran out of his "keep me sane" pills in that short story. Which was a problem since his job was to kill said heretic after the rest of the regiment drove him into the open (at great cost).
As for Guilliman and the Emperor, one of the wiki's states that they DID communicate, but it was not a pleasant conversation. It seemed the Emperor had become even more distant from humanity than he had been in life. He did not greet Roboute as a long lost son, but as a useful tool at last returned to him. In fact the conversation seemed to imply that he had never viewed the Primarchs as anything but tools for his plans. Guilliman's ultimate decision boiled down to while the Emperor may no longer be worth following, his original ideals were and had resolved to continue protecting and strengthening the Imperium, regardless of what he personally thought of the being he had once loyally served.
The Symbol for Chaos in Warhammer comes from Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion series (Some of GW's first forays into table top where adapting his works into an RPG setting). In that setting the Symbol for order was a single arrow pointing up, and Chaos was the eight arrows you are familiar with. What you don't know is that the arrow pointing up in the Chaos symbol represents order, as Chaos represents all possible outcomes. So no, it's not that weird at all.
It probably needs to be mentioned both Orks and Eldar are psychically far more active than humans, and in fact Orks generate a field that basically powers all of those examples given. Not that the theory isn't sound, it is. But Orks have a more readily available effect on the warp than humans do and its not just total belief involved in the Orks favor.
yeah they need another income sourse so they can do quality stuff instead of spamy shit. Didnt unsub but dont watch them or look forward to them as I do with arches vids. (even feminids stuff,). Although I want more of 40k stuff.
I admittedly got chills at the description of the legion as demons. In particular the "they can't be killed" bit. It would explain why they are so tough compared to lesser demons. Every being, even non humans believes space marines are very hard to kill. So by warp logic demon marines would be virtually impossible to put down.
I do remember from one of the books, i have no clue which one it was atm, that the legion of the damned came to the rescue of a chapter that was stuck in a warp storm and being overrun by daemons and traitor marines. And the last thing the chapter saw as they finally managed to escape the warp was a giant ass space station similar to the phalanx covering their escape. I have to go now and reread my library to find out which one, but the legion of the damned might have a fleet. There is some evidence for them being the emperors daemons. In the master of mankind horus heresy book the emperor uses his powers to create an army of shadowy beings very similar to the legion to fight by his side and drive back the armys of greatest of the greater demons, the ender of empires, when they finally force the custodians out of the webway and shut down the gate. My favorite one was a being that looked like Ferrus fighting against another greater demon.
Hm, I disagree on the complex thinking part, a Khornate daemon might be just emotion and instinct but most Tzeenetchi daemons are master schemers who are definitely capable of complex thinking, it's just that they don't have any semblance of unique personality or individuality.
One of the examples of ghost space marine is one of Grey Kinghts' special characters, he is able to gather the fallens who fought alongside him as ghost knights. Ghost marine do exist. Also, emperor did summoned the fallen to prevent the demon outbreak at the gateway.
Regarding the story about Larkin and the angel... you forgot one significant detail. the angel gave him a piece of cloth to use as a baffle for his rifle... which was still there after she had gone.
You know how the rubrics were turned to dust and are essentially just possessed armour? Well that doesn't sound too far from what the legion of the damned are, Id like to think they were probably fire hawks and that the warp changed them into vengeful spirits that serve the emperor.
Also don’t forget the legion uses the Raptorus Rex to blow up the a comet possessed by khorne himself pretty solid evidence that the fire hawks are the legion. Apparently they also like to spook the sons of Dorn
I've recently got into the Gaunt's Ghosts novels and the "angel" gives Larkin (the sniper) a piece of white cloth to properly brace his rifle in the rubble. After she disappears, that piece of cloth was still tied to it. Small note but can add more depth to the theory of Imperium based warp entities, like the sisters of battle and legion of the damned.
What If the legion of the damned is the loyal elements of the thousand sons My points They are all physicers They have no actual body They live for a very long time They arrive through the warp They are very strong physicers I feel like this is the thousand sons way of being loyal as they claim to always remain loyal
On a somewhat similar topic; what your basically saying is that the whole reason why the emperor tyrannically imposed staunch secularism was to weaken and possibly defeat the chaos gods through sheer faith. By extension keep himself from becoming a god because he secretly understood this fact about the universe...
Then the legion of the damned arrived
Coming down the mountainside
Then the legion of the damned arrived
Coming down they turned the tide
Warhammer40k47 "Damned Legion" fits better.
Awesome
They're winged hussars in 40k!
A good poem, sir.
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*when being covered in fire can't stop you from purging*
PURGINGGGGG WWWWWWWWWWWWITH MY KINNNNNNNN
MrGeneralissimus purge them with fire, but no-physicall approved fire because normal fire is to easy to shutdown
Flame Falcons everyone ? ;)
If anything, IT MAKES IT EASIER!!!!!!
it can actually only help
But Arch... The Legion of The Damned DID appear on Cadia! They were accidentaly summoned by a random sorcerer who was trying to get some deamonic reinforcements... and then they poofed in and killed him, and started slaying every deamon and chaos worshiper in sight. Then they disappeared when the Pylon was turned on.
That was in the Phlanax, wasn't it?
Sorceror be like: Nani?
Well, the sorcerer was successful at any rate.
Emperor is a trojan-horse chaos god
Chaos gods, beware
The Emperor will have the last laugh
@@CriKnight There too.
"They never actually reload their weapons... ever."
So... they have Ork meks put an 'INFINNUT DAKKA' sticky note an otherwise empty bolter magazine, and therefore never run out of ammo?
Internet Zen Master wouldn't the note just burn up?
Well, uh, I... huh. Good point.
Although now that I think about it, Orks would probably just paint/scratch the words "INFINNUT DAKKA" on the inside of the empty bolter magazine instead of using something silly like a sticky note.
corect. more shooty through post it notes
The orcs have a rihno that runs on a cardboard engine. I can't remember the book but that shit is cannon. Hell arch brings it up so does fiorra the tank girl during the orc vehicle brakedown with tactical imperialist I think.
Fiaura and 40k theories mention it in... the Ork episode of their Blitzkrieg series I believe.
On an amusing side note: Apparently Ork aircraft are actually the most aerodynamic flyers in all of 40k. Might have something to do with being Orkified versions of a bunch of WW2-era planes, but that's just a minor detail in the grand scheme of things.
The Legion of the damned very likely are "Loyalist Daemons", too many things point to it.
- Their Bolters pass through body armor without damaging it, and murderfuck the body behind it
- They can literally phase out of reality to avoid massed weapons fire, literally walking through it to murderfuck their enemies
- They are stupidly strong (as in muscle strength) in comparison to normal Astartes
- They only appear when the need is the most dire, that is a very strong emotion which could manifest them
- The Legion's mobile fortress doesn't register as active or functioning at all when it enters a system to deploy it's coffin style-drop pods
Wait a minute, daemons that are loyal to the Emperor of man?
@@jasonaxiak6316 I mean that could make sense, the Imperium would condemn thier existence but I don't think they would turn down the assistance and there's seemingly not much they could do about them. That also presumes they know the LoTD are Daemons in the instance they are.
@@jasonaxiak6316 Well if we consider that the entirety of the Imperium of Man prays to the Emperor as if he´d be a god.
And that the miracles done by the sisters of battle are done so with warp energy.
The emperor may aswell be a chaos god at this point.
By that logic, there must be a “Warp Emperor” of sorts, a “chaos” God (I put chaos in quotations because these guys aren’t chaos-aligned) that spawns these Legionaries. I’d like to see how he reacts to the Emperor on Terra.
Deus Ex Machina
Arch, in the Larking sniper episode, you forgot one critical detail. The "Angel" lent him a piece of her dress to help steady his rifle. That piece was still there when she disappeared.
Yep.
pwrserge83 what is the title of that episode?
Never mind
Also, if I remember correctly, it wasn't that he was hit in the head, it was just another episode of his migraine.
Also afterwards the lens of his long-las allowed him to see through Eldars mind f*ckery.
Legion of the Damned = lesser daemons
Living Saints = greater daemons
Sanguinator = daemon prince
Can you imagine what would happen tot he Blood Angels and their successor chapters if it was found out that Big E was in the warp as a full on entity and his prince was Sanguinious? A lot of their negatives would go away. The blood rage that was due to his death would go away when they see he is now the greatest champion of the God Emperor. Instead of reliving his death constantly and getting pissed, they would see images of him fighting the good fight and slaughtering daemons. Frankly the Grey Knights would have a contender for chaos fighting chapter with the level of dedication THAT imagery would create.
Ok but all I can imagine is OLLINUS MOTHERFUCKING PIOUS if he were to even have a sliver of a soul left would be big E's personally crafted ancient daemon and for those who don't know what a ancient daemon is imagine a normal greater daemon ok and then time that shit by a couple hundred and you get roughly what a ancient daemon is so imagine that but with the sheer balls of OLLINUS MOTHERFUCKING PIOUS yeah if I was a heretic I change sides really fucking quick
@@Nempo13 That would be awesome!
Imagine if a death korpsman came into contact with a legion of the damned marine. He would essentially have his whole world view confirmed.
And every other gaurdsmen would never hear the end of it
@@kishinasura1989 well for the next week until the korpsman fulfills the rite of ultimate sacrifice.
@@KittSpiken a week that poor kreigsman
@@theenderdestruction2362 The build-up makes the sacrifice all the sweeter
@@KittSpiken still sad kreigsman
Maybe they aren't so much Demons of the believe in the Emperor, but Demons of loyalty.
Loyalty is certainly something that the Imperium and especially the Astartes have plenty of, certainly more than any other faction in quantity, quality or both. And it's closer to a base concept or emotion rather than believe in the Emperor which is more of a higher concept. Though considering the Eldar Gods, we know that Gods being the manifests of roles rather than emotions can exist in some way or form.
The Legion of the Damned uses fire... and in the Imperium fire is a symbol of purity, of purging and cleansing. That would certainly fit in with either way.
Norbert Sattler that makes a lot of sense
More loyal the Grey Knights? That would be to such a degree that Tzeentch himself would break out in a skin rash just by being near them.
Agreed
This whole demons of a warp entity (like the Emperor) seems so 40K. Even the greatest forces fighting to defend the Imperium from Chaos IS basically Chaos.
@Quipper: What? Why?...
This theories assumes that the Legion of the Damned are Demons that come into existence from the combined loyalty of all the galaxy's living beings resonating in the warp. With Humans making out such a sizable chunk of this overall population and them being generally quite loyal it would make sense that anything that was created from this collective loyalty would be on the side of the Imperium rather than any other species.
The Grey Knights are living and corporeal beings and thus don't exist by the same rules as warp-entities. Though because of the depth of their loyalty and because they are all very powerful psykers and thus impact the warp to be bigger degree than regular Humans, the Grey Knight's loyalty is probably a rather significant contributor to the overall thing.
The scene with the sniper you mention. "Mad Larkin" as he's called suffers from really bad headaches. He think's he's hallucinating when he's talking to the angel. And the scene plays out as you said except when he needs something to help hold steady his rifle. The angel tears a piece from her clothes and gives it to him. He aims, takes the shot and kills the cult leader. And completely blacks out faterwards. Later when the other members of his unit come for him. He see's the statue and that bit of charred cloth around his sniper rifle.
Larkin and a piece of cloth around his piece is ...one thing.
Don't try standing in fire children, it's hard to enjoy the endless pleasures of the dark prince when your nerves have been scorched.
That's why i install DBM.
Reason #540 to not join Chaos Kiddies, the Emperor of Mankind will give you an infinite ammo flaming Boltgun when you die in his name and that topples anything Chaos can offer.
Fuckin heeereticc
Bloody Heretics....
Bloody Heretic *inquisitorial* wink...
What if they aren't possessed Space Marines but actually possessed space marine wargear?
It would explain the whole. walking off tank shells not caring about being on fire 24/7 and infinite ammo guns
the armor wouldn't understand dying so it would never stop fighting until it was damage to such a point that it would be unable to function. the guns don't know what this "reloading" crap is and would just fire endlessly cause thats what they are made to do. Hell it might even explain the lack of vocalizations because armor doesn't have lungs.
This is my new favorite theory.
You make a very, VERY, interesting argument. Especially if they are actually the "Daemons" of a warp entity. War gear doesn't believe in the machine spirit, ammo, fear, it only knows war, violence and death.
Exactly. All the gear would understand is pitched battles for a cause during times of grand desperation so it would also explain the whole showing up at the least second and disappearing with out a trace thing.
It also explains them being master soldiers, impeccable swordsmanship and marksmanship is basically 101 to a warmachine.
KINDA REMINDS OF AHRIMANS RUBIC BROTHERS?
The Legion of the Damned was on Cadia itself during the fall though. They got snuffed out when the pylons were shifted into high gear.
Question is why they stuck around ? Like they should have went away. They most of the time just dissappear when they are done fighting.
@@temkin9298 Someone in another post noted that they got summoned by a sorcerer by accident when they were trying to summon a demon. Perhaps that resulted in them essentially being properly summoned so that they didn't have anywhere near as restrictive a time limit. At least until the pylons went nuts.
To weigh in with my admittedly layman thoughts:
Based on what I've learned (mostly from Arch but also others) about Daemons, it makes perfect sense that IF the Emperor has Chaos-God level powers, then these could be daemons of the Emperor, literally Avenging Angels of the Purifying Fire of the Emperor's Light and Reason. And the Emperor's own primary emotional drive has been the preservation of Mankind....so in the darkest hours when a group of Mankind cries out desperate enough, it would make sense that the Emperor could directly sense it and manifest his Avenging Angels.
Plus, remember in addition to all of that pesky Emperor Worship, which he technically never wanted in the first place.....they also sacrifice a rather specific number of psykers per day. Like a "Chapter" of psykers.......which would have souls that could be maintained in the Warp and tied/directed by a being powerful enough to be their....Emperor.....could be that those psykers aren't just 'batteries' fueling the Emperor, but also the Emperor's Spirit is giving them direct active purpose, sending those souls as his Warp Legion where he wills. For instance battling Warp Entities in the Warp itself....and when he wills, on occasion popping out of the Warp into Reality to protect mankind.
The only way to test this theorem would be to have a Grey Knight attempt to strike down a Legionary of the Damned with the purifying psyker powers given by the Emperor. If correct, then it should wrap around the Legionary like a warm blanket and do absolutely nothing whatsoever. Or a Legionary and a Grey Knight touch.....in which case the Legionary's power should thrum through the Grey Knight like he's just been plugged into a superconducting cable emanating from a Battleship-sized reactor as the Grey Knight would already be set up to be a conduit and focus for Emperor-styled psyker energy.
red ones do go faster, red light travels through the eye and is seen faster than other colours... hence red ones go faster
woke
Jon Kotlar www.quora.com/How-can-red-light-travel-faster-than-blue-light-if-the-speed-of-light-is-constant
I said red light travels through the eye faster than blue light not through the air.
Oi wats dis humie git talking bout, red jus fasta color, stupid humies, Wwwaaaaggghhh
Nothing of this makes any sense.
The speed is the same, the thing that change are frequency, wavelength and energy. Blue light is has got more energy than red light.
Redshifting is basically the light version of the doppler effect. And does sound travel slower when i'm moving? No.
About "Damned" Time....nice
farhan shaikh (joking intensifies)
Ok I'll admit that was a good pun
[Bazinga]
That my friend is a good pun *Emperor approves*
"Where is this Angel with the Commissar hat?
I'd like to congratulate her on being a great commissar" a Commissar with no outher implications
It says the video was uploaded 6 minutes ago, yet I see comments from a day ago. It's nice to see that UA-cam is working as intended.
no clue how this works huh.
Patrons get early access over us heretics.
Just as planned...
Red comments got here faster
Warp is real
*The Legion Of The Damned* AKA The best bros on this side of the eye of terror!
Mikhail Bychkov *all sides.
Drokk yeah! 40k Ghost Riders. Emperors "Spirits of Vengeance" Their number is legion, their name is death!!!
penance bolter
Beavis: "FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!"
Jovan Mitrić huh huh.... Cool... Huhuhuh like wicked dude. *throws devil horns* BREAKING THE LAW! BREAKING THE LAW!
HERETICS!!!!!
"Uhuhuh... Shut Up. Beavis. huhuh"
Jovan Mitrić since I saw this comment I can only think about how much Beavis and Butthead would love this channel
"And Tzeens wants to spread Communism"
-Arch 2017
Arch I think you should make a Lore video about the oppressed and marginalized Black Templars.
As you know they are a misunderstood Chapter of peace that need better representation.
Be an ally of The Black Templars.
Black Crussders matter.
Yes, The Salamanders deserve a video too, but Black Templars first.
Please, Anything but them.
*THEY'RE FUCKING INSANE!*
And that's why we *LOVE* them
They're basically human shaped intelligent Orks
They are insane zealots. Just how we like it.
Speaking of the Beast Arises, are you ever going to finish covering that series of novels or are we going to left hanging just before Vulcan showed up?
True. :/
Arch needs multiple personality disorder. One of them might actually finish things
Well, he finished the wars for Armageddon and the Cursed Founding.
NetMoverSitan and Vrax
He did talk to Guilliman. In fact, it traumatized Guilliman. Read the novel Dark Imperium, the Emperor told him the truth, that Primarchs were tools and were seen as such. The last chapter of the book has Guilliman trying understand the Emperor`s state, a God or not.
JoeRingo118 let's just say that 40k lore is inconsistent at best.
Like how terminator armor lose against almost everything
Yep. Exactly what I was going to say.
Given all the most recent books featuring the emperor i would say he most certainly does see his sons as tools and would not be opposed to sacrificing them for the benefit of his long term plans, hes a big picture kind of guy. Just look at MoM where he uses Ra to contain Drach'nyen, and his earlier conversation with arkan land regarding Angron. We still don't know how the final confrontation between emps and horus will go and it could turn out that he did not hesitate to kill horus at all and the whole "he loved horus and so hesitated to kill him" could just be another persons interpretation of events or imperial propaganda.
Do remember everyone, the current Emperor today is less than a fraction of Emperor from before his enthronement on Terra, whatever Guilliman talked to is less than a random snot spewed out into hiveworld's sewers than the Emperor, hell even less than human..
"explain to me why the hell he chose to put himself through ten thousands years of absolute pain and misery just to light the astronomicon and protecting the human race if he is such a heartless brute, because surely if he sees his own sons as tools, he must view humanity in a roughly similiar manner?"
As i said above, the emperor is a big picture kind of guy, his whole goal as laid out in MoM is shepherding mankind into the webway so that man can evolve into the psychic race its destined to be safe from the dangers of chaos. Why is he so intent on this plan? probably because he does care for humanity as a whole, however being a pragmatist rather than an idealist he knows that sacrifices have to be made and is willing to make them.
He goes out his way to find the primarchs because they are integral to his plans and leading the great crusade, not because he loves them. He also fails to connect with several of them (curze, morty, pert, angron) and barely spends any time with alpharius as the great crusade is well underway at that point.
The emperor is a manipulative SOB, he uses his psychic powers to make the best possible impression on all those around him (but blanks see him just as a tired looking man). He admits to only holding parades/ceremonies to satisfy the primarchs pride, Who is to say that him connecting with certain primarchs was nothing more than subtle manipulations.
Currently there is nothing to suggest that the emperor loved his "sons", hell, he spends most of MoM connecting with Ra (one of his handcrafted custodes), telling him what a snowflake he is, only to sacrifice him because he had no alternative to stop the end of empires , and he coldly regards Angron as broken but useful (ahem, tool!).
Go ahead and find something to the contrary and I may be inclined to believe you, but as it stands in all of the Emperor's BL showings he has shown that ultimately he is willing to sacrifice anything and everything to further his goals, even bargaining with the chaos gods themselves.
Wait a minute... didn't the Legion of the damned show up on cadia? I'm like 90% sure they did and when Tech-boy Crawl turned on the Anti-warp gate thing-a-ma-bob it weakened all warp entities on the planet like all the demons including the Legion of the damned and Saint Celestine, I'm pretty sure you and EgoQueen did a video talking about that part and the fall of cadia book it self
Gigatwin didnt they show up on the Fists ship?
They did, Bel'akor tried to summon demonic reinforcements to fight the Fists on there ship above terra because he was losing the battle I think... not to sure if he was winning or losing though but Bel'akor was trying to bring in more dudes and he instead summoned around him self the legion of the Damned and all parties involved had a moment of W T F before the Legion opened fire on the Bel'akor and his Allies then turning around at the Fists and gave them a friendly wave
Gigatwin yeah, actually they started out on the Phalanx when it got attacked by Belakor. Then when it reached Cadia and destroyed the Blackstone Fortress, they fought on Cadia.
Theres actually a passage in the Gathering Storm book, the Imperial Fists Captain knows about them and is wondering why theyre still there and havent disappeared, while the Phalanx was on its way to Cadia
No foul demonic foe could ever beat the Imperial Fists on the Phalanx of all ships. Carry on Citizen.
Knew I wasn’t wrong! Just arch XD
No offense Arch but it's about damn time you did the Damned.
name yourself Blair S pls
Your heresy keeps growing each time there isn't a Black Templars lore video. We want the Black Templars!
Warex
IT IS BORDERLINE HERESY!
45 minutes on the lesser demons of the Emprah? I'm down.
Daniel Quick *Angel's
Someone should give arch a ghost noise maker.
I'm new to WH40K and I've been going around youtube looking up lore and this is the first video of yours Arch that I've seen and thank you for teaching me about the Legion of the Damned while also making it funny as hell with the colorful commentary lol
A Random Crusader's not gonna be pleased, lol. No Black Templars.
Will Wilson
Indeed.....grumble grumble grumble
Have you sent a strongly worded letter yet to Arch, lol?
A bribe may also work via Patreon, lol.
Will Wilson WE WANT TEMPLARS
Patrick Sandqvist I have theorised that Arch has spotted A Random Crusaders constant demands and is trolling him for a laugh by teasing him for as long as possible before giving him what he wants. After all Arch has to get some entertainment out of his followers here and there and A Random Crusader has certainly made a pretty big target of himself there.
Good video, Arch 40k
O nooo sicarus
Not as good as the goblins video.
Arch 40k xD
Captain Bodyshot laught die . put commissar cap one.
His cover of Battlehammer 50k is amazing!
"Not as in their armour is painted black, as in their armour seems to literally absorb light" Well yes that's what black objects do.
awesome talking about the Phantom army of the God Emperor of ManKind
Arch, remember Outcast of the dead? Big E knew.
"Sometimes, only thing you can do is to deny the enemy his victory"
Arch 38:30 You single handedly nailed down my ENTIRE beef with Frank Herbert and his writing of Dune. Absolute master of world building, dialog, and layered intrigue.. Hundreds upon hundreds of pages leading up to the fall of house Atraides. Entire battle? 3 pages. Pivotal knife duels? 4 paragraphs.
Zealous? Yes but not quite as zealous as the GLORIOUS BLACK TEMPLARS!
DEUS VULT
_ Kosciuszko
AVE MARIA
DEUS VULT NON NOBIS DOMINE
A Random Crusader - WE WANT TEMPLARS
No Pity! No Remorse! No Fear!
Arch,
You never cease to crack me up... your eloquence in describing things of the 40k nature always give me a good chuckle and get me through my days here in the office... keep it up, good Sir.
If our angels were like 40k: "Hail Mary full of grace, you are about to give birth to the messiah!" "But how....?" Gabriels takes out a bolt pistol. "Because the big boss says so." "Yes sir. I'm the LORD's handmaid."
TBF Saint Michael is basically an Adeptus Custodes of God. And Angels are basically Space Marines, being walking WMDs practically.
@@duncanharrell5009 Astartes and angels have in common that usually one is scared shitless beholding one. Your average citizen may wish to see an Astartes in his life but they are better of when they never do. Them rescuing your planet has this plague of Egypt feeling
Aren't they just saints? Positive daemons? A lot of the population see space marines as a almost mythical force of the emperor no doubt
Oh. Nm
Imperial saints could also be considered daemons, they fit on the same logic framework.Just change fire for holy light, and you're set to go!
@@anaterrofayinescrim I think they're more like daemon princes. Considering how living saints work, it would make more sense to be daemon princes than deamons.
Hey arch i have a theory. We know from hh that the golden throne requires a lot of consentration and power, from the fact it sapped malcador to the point of death, and from hh and vulkans lore in general we know that to regenerate one needs to be left alone in queiet and peace, so maybe the reasonn the emps cant regenerate is because he is to focused on microing the astronomican and keeping the webway shut, i mean its not far from imposible that a half dead person doesnt have enough mental consentration to heal himself keep a webway shut and guide astronomican. So my thought is, seing as golden throne is partialy eldar tech and that eldars are very strong psykers, could an eldar man it long enough to let the emps catch his breath and regenerate from his injuries?
Sooo, make the Custodes catch some powerful Eldar psykers and have them be enslaved to the Golden Throne and we get back our glorious Emperor? Lets do it!
Sounds good let the damn knife eared xeno's do something useful instead of just screwing shit up for once.
GO LOOT DAT GIT ELDRAD!
Hey, once your done with those eldar can I borrow them for a moment.
I'm pretty sure that might be how they bring the emperor back, but when they do bring the emperor then that means the 40k universe has to on some crazy shit with all factions being at a sort of equal except the tau cause fuck them
A really good book regarding Legion of the Damned is called, unsurprisingly, Legion Of The Damned, by Rob Sanders (Black Library approved). Its about the Excoriators chapter about to face a world ending enemy and in the last moments the Legion appears and ends everyone. Really really good story and even has Sisters of Battle as a bonus.
There is mention of the Legion's ship in that story however, and its huge, bigger than Certus Minor's moon, and very very old. Their boltguns are more akin to cannons as well, and also ancient.
17:30 except he still had the piece of cloth from her dress he used to help brace his gun
Iron Templar I thought it was to suppress the flash of his barrel
Because it had a scorched part to it when his friends found him
I couldn't remember specifically I think your right (looks at book on shelf) either way it was more the fact the clouth was still their that was important
I'm personally for the "vengeful spirits of fallen marines" theory. One source for this is Graham McNeill's Ultramarines books, in which the Legion of the Damned arrives to save the ultrabacon and Uriel Ventris briefly sees a familiar face amongst the legionnaires before they vanish.
*The Doctor* "Oh timey wimey stuff."
*Legion of the Damned* "Blam, this is my Tardis now."
Arch. Please talk about Gaunt's Ghosts a bit before we see the end of the book series. I think I re-read the whole goddamn series almost as much as the discworld series, and that is not a statement I throw around lightly. :D
Kudos for bringing up Larkins episode with the angel.
Greetings from the ass-end of nowhere, Poland, and have a nice evening!
Oh Arch I can't wait to hear the rant about the latest Malcador novel.....I am expecting a long ass video on that one....
Rant for the rant gods!
Long is about to get a new definition imo with the video. I will not complain about a 2 part explanation of it.
Yo, thanks for making such awesome content. You got me into Warhammer 40K and I just finished painting my first space marine while listening to this video. It was Zen as fuck.
Well this is one flaming video.
Forest elfranger budum chiiii
Arch you are Awesome and thank you for you ability to craft your lore videos. You make my work days worth sitting through.
"They are on fire and they don't seem to mind"
Salamanders went white with envy.
Every salamander's wet dream
AHEM! WHERE IS THE BLACK TEMPLARS LORE!?!!?????!!!!!!
A Random Crusader - I NEED MY GODDAMN BLACK TEMPLAR FIX MAN!
Damn I'm late, a random crusader is already here.
A Random Crusader - *PURGING WITH MY KIN!!!*
Gregoire Derrough
EXACTLY!
KamikazKid
I always am
Demons of the Emperor is what I am going with.
Delete: demons of the emperor latest exterminators lurking elsewhere.
Forgot to mention that it was not just an angel that Larkin saw. The angel claimed to have known the Saint (Sabbat)
And when he came to sure there was just the statue. But he had a swathe of pure white cloth that the angel had given him wrapped around the barrel of his gun. Showing that there was some physical interaction/interference.
I'm new to 40k
And the Legion of The Dammed is the first book I bought
I feel like I got a good one
Welcome to the 40k Universe.
We can neither confirm or deny the theories portrayed within this video.
The example of the sniper forgot to mention that the sniper in question is actually borderline insane. Although I think Larkin (the sniper) is actually a minor psyker. When je looks through his scope, he can see what's actually there, rather than what other people want him to see. he can see through active psychic illusions generated by an Eldar Farseer.
When the Legion Of The Damned appeared on Cadia, and started murdering Daemons and CSM, I imagine that BFG Division was playing...
With the doom guy strolling beside them
A good example of spirits coming back is the Gaunt's Ghosts book, Only in Death. The members of the Tanith 1st that had died before had come back to warn the living about coming attacks.
The Best Legion in the Imperium and loyal ONLY to The EMPEROR, The Marty's of Massacred Astartes on Istvan , to avenge the Emperor and Theirs Lost Brothers I salute Them !!!!!!😎
Very cool topic. Very well executed. Top work as always Arch
underneath those helmets I'm just imagining a legion of overacting Nickolas cages making horrible fire puns
It's nice to know that Chaos isn't the only one that gets all the good stuff and gifts the universe has to offer like corrupted STCs producing all mannerisms of powerful foreboding technology like the iron warriors, with psychic powers granted mutated space marines...
and that at least the Empire seems to have a few tricks up it's own sleeve! Finally, something of seemingly implausible strength that can wreak havoc upon the enemies of the imperium in times of need and are perhaps a bane to the forces of Chaos themselves while also being apart of the warp!
Their backstory is actually rather simple, they are space marines that took the phrase "burn in holy hell fire" far too literally.
In one of the Black Legion books the chaos space marines mention planets within the Eye of Terror that are covered by the Astronomican and that those planets are full of burning angels and creatures covered in fire that fight with the forces of chaos.So they are most likely literal daemons of the emperor.
THE SECOND COMMENT CRUSADE HAS OFFICIALLY BEGUN! WE SHALL NOT FALL!
A Random Crusader - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
A Random Crusader - Deus Vult
Gregoire Derrough
DEUS VULT
Daniel Boyas
WE SHALL TAKE JERUSALEM!
A Random Crusader - Only if we make a quick stop by Constantinople.
One more thing about the Sniper scene you described. It wasn't a hallucination, he retained a piece of cloth the angel gifted him to keep his barrel steady on the rest he chose, as he would otherwise usually tear his cloak for a strip. It was a manifestation of the Emperor's Will through the Warp in the same way Chaos Gods can.
the last "confirmed" conversation with the Emperor was with Inquisitor Jaq Draco
in the gaunts ghost tale about larkin you forgot one little detail which is interessting. he got a little piece of cloth from here which he needed for his riffle, this piece remained even after the angel vanished
Oh arch, did u forget the earlier video where even u mentioned that one appearance amongst the Ultrasmurfs campaign on Calth, that one of the Damned has a “Barely legible inverted Omega symbol on its shoulder.” ???
Hast thou forgotten that little fact that you pointed out??
Legion of The Damned, first appeared during Horus Heresy:
"Shapes raged in the flames - shadows and suggestions doing battle with the daemons, their fiery forms indistinct and ever-changing. The fire-born avatars of fallen Ten Thousand, knee-deep in psychic fire and thrusting with lances of flame. The silhouettes of Space Marines, the betrayed dead of Isstvan bearing axes and blades and claws; half-seen sigils of slaughtered Legions obscured by the ash of their blackened armour. A giant among giants, its great hands bared and ready as it seared forwards at the crest of the tidal fire. The tenth son of a dying empire, so briefly reborn in his father’s immolating wrath..." An extract from "The Master of Mankind"
@@Daimon-X Supports the theory that the legion of the damned are the Isstvan dropsite massacred brought back by the collective belief of the Imperium as to the divinity of the Emperor.
Don’t forget in the ghost book Larkin still had a shard of the angels dress wrapped around his gun, singed but still prefect
I got this insane theory that they are the members of the second and eleventh legions. I think that the emperor tried to create warp based soldiers and he killed them in a convoluted way so that they could become his soldiers in the warp (The Primarchs and Malcador the Sigillite would have known about this). After seeing what happened the emperor would have assumed they have been destroyed and just decided to destroy any trace of them (possible outrage, I got no idea how to explain this).
I have a throry about these and it kind of makes sense in both the light of The Emperor being a chaos god and otherwise. Basically the legion of the damned are 'cleansed' chaos marines. You can't go five minutes within the Imperium without hearing 'his spirit has been cleaned by the Emperor's holy fire'. This would absolutely explain why they're on fire. It represents the cleansed spirit literally burning away it's chaos taint. It would explain why their bolters never run out of ammo, and why they're veterens of a hundred battles. Firstly because most chaos space marines are fucking old, so would be a veteren of hundreds of battles, their bolters never run out of ammo because it represents the 'balancing?' of the chaos taint. Every round fired in the name of chaos is redeemed by a round fired by their cleansed spirits. They look like ghosts because they literally are ghosts, their iconography burning brightly is where the cleansing fire originates and it also explains why they can travel around very quickly. There's either an absolute shitton of them, meaning each individual appearance is made up by individual souls spread about the universe, or, and I prefer this theory, they act like the chaos god's focus, namely being drawn to where the Emperor's subjects are doing the most 'cleansing', where the belief of the emperor's holy purging fire is the strongest. I feel like the Emperor keeping the webway closed might play a part in it too. If the souls of a Marine or any imperium citizen is with the Emperor in death, then perhaps the Emperor can not only control who he keeps out of the webway gate, but who he can let in. IDK though. I do think them being cleansed Chaos souls makes a lot of sense, I don't think they would be tied to one chapter because on super grand narratives it makes more sense that they represent the imperium of man as a whole rather than one pansy chapter. You just wouldn't be able to manifest that many souls otherwise.
My very unique and never before seen theory about the legion of the damned.
They're space marines who died and went 'lol no u'
They are dead guardsmen. They were so loyal and hated the enemies of the Emperor so much, that the Emperor blessed then by allowing them to continue fighting. That's final.
We can neither confirm nor deny these theories
My favorite theory on 40k is that 1 or more of the missing primarchs, particularly those known to have traveled into the eye of terror, may be leading the legion of the damned.
"legion of the damned, tge most spookyest and scariest skeletons" - arch
I think Big E (the warp entity) could actually feed on one emotion: determination. Khorn is fed by acts if butchery, tzeench by schemes and betrayal, Nurgle by rot and disease and despair, Slaanesh by 30" high voltage Bad Dragon Assblasters, and the God Emperor is fed by soldiers holding the damn line. Never giving an inch, never surrendering, and fighting the horrors in the dark, down to the last man.
While not quite as primal as rage or lust, it's hardly in short supply
Another emotion that could feed the Emperor could be Valour
These would also explain why the Legion of the Damned behaves how they do. They appear where there is enough valour and determination to sustain them, ie when some of the forces of the Imperium are staring death in the face, and go for one final charge, a last "fuck you" to the enemies of mankind, and steel themselves to go out in a blaze of glory
@16:00 That's Larkin, great sniper but he has mental issues and ran out of his "keep me sane" pills in that short story. Which was a problem since his job was to kill said heretic after the rest of the regiment drove him into the open (at great cost).
Started watching you early this year, and you've improved greatly in your speech when making videos. Nice to see.
Technically there is a book "The Fall of Cadia" that came out a few months ago
As for Guilliman and the Emperor, one of the wiki's states that they DID communicate, but it was not a pleasant conversation. It seemed the Emperor had become even more distant from humanity than he had been in life. He did not greet Roboute as a long lost son, but as a useful tool at last returned to him. In fact the conversation seemed to imply that he had never viewed the Primarchs as anything but tools for his plans.
Guilliman's ultimate decision boiled down to while the Emperor may no longer be worth following, his original ideals were and had resolved to continue protecting and strengthening the Imperium, regardless of what he personally thought of the being he had once loyally served.
Doesn't the Chaos god of Order sounds a bit.....controversial? :D
Klibanophoros Order & an obsession of its manifestation can be considered as another way of Madness, or a value taken to an irrationality.
Klibanophoros a little bit lile 'antifa fascists' ?
The Symbol for Chaos in Warhammer comes from Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion series (Some of GW's first forays into table top where adapting his works into an RPG setting). In that setting the Symbol for order was a single arrow pointing up, and Chaos was the eight arrows you are familiar with. What you don't know is that the arrow pointing up in the Chaos symbol represents order, as Chaos represents all possible outcomes.
So no, it's not that weird at all.
You cant have chaos without order
We are talking about Chaos, not chaos
It probably needs to be mentioned both Orks and Eldar are psychically far more active than humans, and in fact Orks generate a field that basically powers all of those examples given. Not that the theory isn't sound, it is. But Orks have a more readily available effect on the warp than humans do and its not just total belief involved in the Orks favor.
I saw this video and i said "eh its onemindsyndicate ill pass" then i saw it was actually you arch and i verbally yelled "FUCK YEAH"
i unsubbed to oms because of there spamvids. Arch lore=best lore
yeah they need another income sourse so they can do quality stuff instead of spamy shit. Didnt unsub but dont watch them or look forward to them as I do with arches vids. (even feminids stuff,). Although I want more of 40k stuff.
I admittedly got chills at the description of the legion as demons. In particular the "they can't be killed" bit. It would explain why they are so tough compared to lesser demons. Every being, even non humans believes space marines are very hard to kill. So by warp logic demon marines would be virtually impossible to put down.
Wuss
I do remember from one of the books, i have no clue which one it was atm, that the legion of the damned came to the rescue of a chapter that was stuck in a warp storm and being overrun by daemons and traitor marines. And the last thing the chapter saw as they finally managed to escape the warp was a giant ass space station similar to the phalanx covering their escape. I have to go now and reread my library to find out which one, but the legion of the damned might have a fleet.
There is some evidence for them being the emperors daemons. In the master of mankind horus heresy book the emperor uses his powers to create an army of shadowy beings very similar to the legion to fight by his side and drive back the armys of greatest of the greater demons, the ender of empires, when they finally force the custodians out of the webway and shut down the gate. My favorite one was a being that looked like Ferrus fighting against another greater demon.
Hm, I disagree on the complex thinking part, a Khornate daemon might be just emotion and instinct but most Tzeenetchi daemons are master schemers who are definitely capable of complex thinking, it's just that they don't have any semblance of unique personality or individuality.
One of the examples of ghost space marine is one of Grey Kinghts' special characters, he is able to gather the fallens who fought alongside him as ghost knights. Ghost marine do exist. Also, emperor did summoned the fallen to prevent the demon outbreak at the gateway.
They are Helping and Sacrifice With There Lives,Death or Not, For the Sake of the Imperium and The Emperor,Be Grateful For That !!,Ave Imperator 😎!!.
Morituri te salutant!
Regarding the story about Larkin and the angel... you forgot one significant detail. the angel gave him a piece of cloth to use as a baffle for his rifle... which was still there after she had gone.
You know how the rubrics were turned to dust and are essentially just possessed armour? Well that doesn't sound too far from what the legion of the damned are, Id like to think they were probably fire hawks and that the warp changed them into vengeful spirits that serve the emperor.
Also don’t forget the legion uses the Raptorus Rex to blow up the a comet possessed by khorne himself pretty solid evidence that the fire hawks are the legion. Apparently they also like to spook the sons of Dorn
Okay I am now hooked good sir. I do love a universe with a butt ton of lore and intrigue.
You should make a video about "Laboratory" called 'I fucking told you so'
Arch - Roboute Guilliman spoke directly with the Emperor. It's described in the book Dark Imperium.
#notallironwarriors
I've recently got into the Gaunt's Ghosts novels and the "angel" gives Larkin (the sniper) a piece of white cloth to properly brace his rifle in the rubble. After she disappears, that piece of cloth was still tied to it. Small note but can add more depth to the theory of Imperium based warp entities, like the sisters of battle and legion of the damned.
What If the legion of the damned is the loyal elements of the thousand sons
My points
They are all physicers
They have no actual body
They live for a very long time
They arrive through the warp
They are very strong physicers
I feel like this is the thousand sons way of being loyal as they claim to always remain loyal
What a second
On a somewhat similar topic; what your basically saying is that the whole reason why the emperor tyrannically imposed staunch secularism was to weaken and possibly defeat the chaos gods through sheer faith. By extension keep himself from becoming a god because he secretly understood this fact about the universe...