Wait, you did some of the cutscenes from those games? That's so cool, I always loved the way they portrayed the "madness" from the batman universe, specially how batman Arkham asylum was made. I even remember zooming in to some of the small polaroids in the psychiatric ward, they were pictures of real people making looney faces, they looked as if the designers had taken them from themselves hahaha
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@@redcrabdue1787 Doubtful. He was hired because Scott Derrickson wanted it to be a true horror movie. Sam Raimi taking his place means that Disney/Marvel dangled bait in order to keep him complacent.
I’m so glad SOMEBODY is talking about this scene. It terrified 11-year-old me, and helped me understand how impactful the “less is more” approach can be in horror movies.
Try being a 5-year-old Spider-Man fan just sitting there having the time of your life and then THIS comes on the screen. I actually covered my eyes LOL. Talk about nightmare fuel
I love the shot at 05:30. Look how delicately the arm removes Doc Oc’s blindfold moments after displaying pure destruction. The camera pushes in on his face and you, along with Oc, feel overwhelmed with the realisation of how much more powerful he has just become
Love the small tilt up as his head raises too. Very fincher-esc. Helps us identify with doc to make it easier to sympathize with him as not the villian but victim of the mechanical arms.
YES. I remember watching that as a teen and seeing it again I remember how disconcerting it was to watch them go from brutal murder to gently, almost tenderly, peeling away the blinds from his eyes. There was so much tenderness in that action, and it coming from these terrible arms made them all the more monstrous. His reaction as the carnage is revealed, as he realizes what he's done, what he's become, what he's allowed to come into existence, genius. And the way the arms react as his understanding grows and stretch in triumph as his drop in despair, the stronger, more evil entity ushering it's beloved and essential servent into a new understanding of existence. Absolute magic, all sparked and so much more menacing because of that one moment of gentleness from the machine.
This could have easily been R-rated scene, and looking back on it I always remembered this as the most bloody scene in Spider-Man trilogy and after the re-watch I was jolted to see there is not a single drop of blood anywhere. It is such a pleasure to watch your videos man, I envy the people who can talk to you daily.
I swear My mind added blood. I distinctly remember this scene having blood. The asian doctor i thought she got stabbed but the scene just popped up where the nails grate. And Now im reminded why i hated this. Hindsight proves it was damn effective.
THIS is what I loved about the old Spider-Man movies; they were drama, horror, action, romance, and comedy that just so happened to be about "super heroes". Now, super hero movies feel like it's own genre and feel "formulaic" and sterile; not raw with the dynamic emotional range these older movies had.
That is the main reason why Spider-Man 3 (which is hated by most) is for me better than pretty much almost all of the new generation super-hero movies. It has a million problems but it still feels like it has meet to it
@@evanderdornellesplease think before typing.. The characters derive from the comics, so yea mostly white men. But since when did superhero movies need to become political,well as soon as Hollywood became woke.
4:30 THANK YOU. I'm so sick of people saying things like "The new Batman can't be good/dark without being treated R." This is just one more example of how someone really knowing what he's doing can make amazing cinema that's disturbing without leaning excessively into 'adult' levels of gore, etc.
i do feel that there are cases when gore can elevate a movie, like i would have loved some blood in venom. But overrall i agree, this scene speaks for itself
@@shinkamui sure, the use of blood can definitely change a setting's mood. I'm simply arguing that less can be more, and that skilled directors can do more with implication and artful craft than just painting the walls red. Consider also: Batman TAS, the hostage video scene from The Dark Knight, etc.
Fun fact for those who don't know: the doctor with the glasses who gets killed by a claw at 5:04 is none other than John Landis, director of An American Werewolf in London. So there's a tiny homage to a horror director in this horror scene.
That's interesting. I was wondering why after this scene where Doc Ock goes on the street and throws the taxi totally reminded me of An American Werewolf in London for some reason.
Yep. Traumatized. Even without the blood and guts, horror is not for me. I know many people really, really do, so I'm glad they enjoyed this scene. The breakdown here was great, though, since I basically closed my eyes for the whole thing when watching the movie.
I also love how it is shown that the mechanical arms have their own intelligence by keeping the doc facing down and blindfolded throughout the scene. The doc could not possibly know where everyone is in the room. It is the arms that are acting and watching on their own throughout the scene; doc is a part of them not the other way around.
I definitely love that the most Raimi-esque parts of the Spider-Man trilogy were when the villain is “born.” In all those instances like Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, and Venom, their origin stories are legit short horror films!
@@esyphillis101 maybe the horror story part could apply to the initial demolecularization of Flint Marco. I mean, it follows the usual beats of a body horror transformation type scene with closeups of the skin and dna strands turning flakey and rock like.
@@mikeexits Imitators? The Big "NO!" has been a trope for decades. Raimi's use adds a touch of creativity with the tentacles but he definitely wasn't the first.
The audio design is also amazing and elevates the scene. Hearing the first arm rise behind you before it strikes, hearing the arms move left to right and right to left, hearing the scratching of nails come from behind you to in front of it. It puts you directly into the scene and makes you feel each moment. I use to install 5.1 audio systems in living rooms and I would use this scene to fine tune the speakers.
Ah man, that lady being dragged across the floor into the shadows is ENGRAVED into my mind. It was literally the only thing I remember from my first ever viewing of Spider-Man 2 (I was 7-ish)
Too bad the movie cut out the close up shot of the screaming woman's mouth before shifting to the guy cutting Doc Ock's mechanical arms unsuccessfully.
I have to hope that Raimi was next door working on Strange 2 and they just kept poking their heads in and asking him questions, because when the Master is nearby, you should take the chance to learn
Being a huge Raimi fan long before this came out, I remember seeing this in the theater and being blown away that he was able to put his signature horror style into a mainstream blockbuster film as a wink and nod to his original fan base. Classic Raimi, a true auteur.
I just watched this again recently as an adult and this scene was absolutely HORRIFYING to me - thanks for covering it because it is a fantastic bit of filmmaking
I always interpreted it as them wailing in remorse echoing Doc, even tho they caused the horror illustrating (showing, not telling) how their psyches are linked, and they can effect each other. Priming us for how the minds of the arms effect Doc's mind as the film progresses.
OMG! I totally just figured it out! The hospital has medical chainsaws on hand, because that's how they make their surgical 2x4's!!! ua-cam.com/video/q80rCOo8Jnw/v-deo.html
"...but some things REALLY FUCKING DO." God damn I love that, it's such a good feeling being pumped that something you loved from your childhood is still just as good as you remembered
Something you notice after learning Sam Raimi's background before the Spiderman movie's is that they're SO full of horror thematics. As someone who has grown to love horror films, it ads a whole new layer to watching the trilogy the fact that Raimi manages to push his roots into the very limits of the PG-13 rating. All 3 of them are incredible in that aspect.
I’ve watched this scene so many times, probably more than any other scene from any superhero film. What always stuck out to me about this scene was how truly visceral and gruesome is feels without ever showing anything graphic, like this shit honestly feels so much more violent and disturbing than anything out of like a Deadpool movie despite never even showing a single drop of blood, that’s the power of a great director.
I finally understood why 11 year old me was obsessed with this scene and actually tried to replicate it with my toys. This is pure evil. And I loved it.
Great breakdown. The only thing I'd add is... the stunt crew!!! This scene is so physical and you feel every bit of it thanks to amazing stunt choreography and performances. Obviously the first doctor being flung over the operating table and through a glass door is awesome but 3:07 is my favorite part. The first person running full sprint and then just getting yanked down, the second getting pushed against the cart and then spun into the air. It's acrobatic!
To me, this scene is Raimi's style of horror in a nutshell: The pov perspective of the arms, the close in shots of the chainsaw, the lighting, and lack of music during all the terror. It's all Raimi! I'm happy they used mostly practical effects and cgi.
I studied film, I always defend this film against my film school friends. They don’t take it seriously since it’s a “superhero movie.” In film school it’s always Tarkovsky, Bergman and Truffaut (which are absolute masters) but I always defend this masterpiece of a film, I’m so glad you see it’s genius.
I recall that they showed this scene, in isolation, to the press well ahead of the movie. Presumably for the reasons you say - it was ready far ahead of principal photography. And the press went *bananas* for it. I wasn’t disappointed when I eventually got to see it.
This seen is so short, but it has stuck with me so long. The bit at the end with the Doc waking up is always what gets me. The arms instantly go from brutal to so, so delicate as they remove his blindfold. There is such a feeling of them protecting him. Loving him. And there is horror in that as well because we just saw what they think that means. A three minute scene and they managed to capture the brutality of the villian Spider-Man is to face & to make us see the Doc as a sympathic victim all at once.
@@whodatninja439 Funny you say that since Bruce Campbell was supposed to be Mysterio in Spider-Man 4. The idea was that all the characters he played throughout the trilogy were in fact one character, Quentin Beck and Beck would become Mysterio in Spider-Man 4.
Even more than what is said in this video, THIS is how you establish a villain as dangerous. From this point forward in the movie, you know he's a real threat and will kill people
The most impactful thing for me about this scene is how after all the violence, the arm gently removes the mask from the doctor’s face. The juxtaposition of it is almost more terrifying than the violence.
@@mnt5592 Bruce Campbell did tweet out a few months ago that he was in London to work with (paraphrasing) “one hell of a director and one hell of an actor” So… given what movies were in production in the U.K. at that time, that’ll either be Doctor Strange or Mission: Impossible (and I’d be happy with him appearing in either, tbh)
I always love how the surgeon sees the arm in the reflection of his colleague‘s glasses. Like you expect his colleague to see the arm first, but it’s such a clever turn around, which makes the scene really dynamic
I remember just shaking giddily in my chair practically chanting Raimi’s name during this scene in the theater. Not only a masterpiece, but just SO Raimi, with the scream into camera and the “whoosh” noises. Just having the biggest movie of the year have an Army of Darkness scene was so amazing.
I remember this scene frightening the hell out of me when I first saw the movie back then… even just the first shot with its clinical feel and with the arms covered like that… still does it for me today.
i remember this scene so well. it always seemed to have the darkest tone in all of the movie (for me) and after slaughtering everyone, seeing those merciless arms gently pull away doc ocks blindfold with teeny tiny finger thingies was such a ... scary and somewhat heartwarming scene following the brutally before it.
scary as in, (i think music was building up then) it was followed by something that seemed sinister and dangerous, not in them harming anyone but... it gave them so much personality
I watched this just last week and at the time noted to myself Raimi's horror style shining through in that scene. Along the lines of "Ha! You can't miss who is directing this." You expressed it much more eloquently.
As a kid, The Evil Dead movies got me into horror films. I remember watching this scene unfold on opening night and grinning ear-to-ear, absolutely giddy and feeling like it was made just for me. Truly masterful. Thank you for this breakdown.
all the shiny and sharp blades being so close to eyes, and the movement of everything is so clear and well lit. I don't remember many experiences of watching movies in theaters as a kid but I distinctly remember being so stressed out at this scene I almost left. I thought I exaggerated it in my memory but no, this scene is unpleasantly brutal and fantastically executed
LOVE this scene. Always thought it was the most Raimi scene in the film. Even the first Spider-Man had moments inspired by raimi’s horror background. Particularly the Norman Osborn Spider-Man fight scene at the end when Osborn dies.
A couple of thoughts! 1) I love the nod to the Evil Dead by having the doctor reach for the chainsaw. 2) The final shot of these scenes with Doc Oc realizing the horror of what he has created and who he has become reminded me of how much he is a sympathetic character in the movie. Yes, he is the main villain, but the movie does a good job of showing his humanity and he ends up sacrificing himself to save New York in the end. Remembering this makes me a little nervous about how he will be used in No Way Home. I'm as excited as any other millennial about him being in the film, but I hope they don't just turn him into another generic villain with no complexity. I'll be curious to see how they utilize him in the story.
What a beautiful breakdown of a scene!! Love watching your videos because the insight that you give on what gives certain scenes their weight is fascinating to watch and learn about!!
This is probably the best video essay i have ever watched. The editing and sounddesign is fabulous! Really outclassed everybody else. Please give us more!
I really liked this video. This is one of the best villain introductions in movie history. Shear terror, weight and strength, all in a matter of minutes
Its the way I didn't remember this scene reading the title but the moment it started to play I was like "YES THIS PART WAS IT!!!!" that makes me realize how instrumental it was to me liking horror movies and stylized filming. Like it just makes it so much more fun and is really something I look forward to in movies today.
Green Goblin had a much higher body count, but that one scene from Spider-man 2 is was sold to me that Doc Oc was a bigger threat than any pumpkin-bomb-wielding maniac.
I was a bit older when this came out and already a Rami fan, when this scene kicked off I remember saying "YES!" out loud because I could just feel that awesome Rami attention to rhythm and editing. As your vid started I said it again, YES!
At 12 years old, my cousin and I thought this scene was hilarious. Especially the part when the woman leaves nail scratches in the floor. Are we psychopaths? It just seems so over the top, which screams Sam Raimi.
I also thought it was over-the-top enough to be somewhat humorous. I definitely was not traumatized by it (nor am I a horror fan), and I am someone who is usually more bothered by violent scenes than a lot of people I know. Which is not to say that I don't think it's a well-done scene. I think it's just that it's so over the top that my brain never registered it as a real thing that could happen.
I think it's because it's so fun to watch. Like it just jumps out at you. I was almost laughing too when the lady was getting dragged cause it's so absurd but also so fucking brutal lmao
One thing I also love, looking back, is how at the end we see Doc Ock wake up, horrified. The scene isn’t just horror for the audience, it’s horror for him too, and let’s us key in on how he isn’t simply a malevolent being, he’s a victim who has fallen under the influence of one.
Also, this really ups the stakes on Spider-man at how violent and terrifying his new enemy is. I remember watching this as a kid and thinking to myself "How is Spidey gonna beat that?"
This was even more scarier for me than the final battle between Spider-Man and green goblin in the first movie which was even more gory and had more physical violence. Raimi is simply a genius.
I've always loved the seamless cut and zoom shot at 2:30. And I feel like no one in my friend group would understand why I gush about it so much so I'm glad to hear somebody talking about it 😂
I recently rewatched this movie, and however hokey some of it seems years later, this scene still sticks out as one of the best scenes ever in a superhero movie. I felt that last line.
Woah... I need to rewatch these films. I think my mind protected me from remembering this scene, because despite loving this movie in my childhood, and vividly remembering other scenes in it (the train, the sun at the end), this scene was gone *completely* from my head. That's wild.
Despite loving this whole scene, I never focused on how black and white works so well here, it feels like an old classic horror movie through and through
I remember my older siblings telling me to shut my eyes at this scene when we were watching it. DO THEY THINK THAT MADE IT ANY BETTER?! THE SOUND DESIGN IS HALF THE HORROR!
Another thing I feel about this scene is that while the motivation to include it may have been mostly indulgent on Raimi's part, I think it has the effect of really selling Doc Ock's power and by extension, the hero's power. There's something about first seeing what he can do to regular people (These things easily break bones, brick and concrete and move at blinding speeds.) which then helps illustrate how impressive it is for Spidey to be dodging these tentacles, tanking hits from them, or even parrying them. No one else could do that.
This is why I love your channel. The go-to tactic with 90% of media critics on UA-cam would be to go the cynical route and make fun of the unrealistic hair fan on the screaming doctor or how a medical cart wouldn’t really explode like that if someone was pushed into it with that amount of force, but all my favourite videos of yours address what the actual purpose of stuff like that is and what it adds to the film. You lift up the art instead of taking swings at it for easy views. Great video.
They showed this at my camp for movie night when I was 8. When this scene came on I was immediately gripped by fear and also a weird sensation of curiosity. It was only when the movie turned off and I was alone with my thoughts did I begin to bawl my eyes out. However, I was not traumatized nor did it haunt my nightmares… I was intrigued. Even scared 8 year old me was able to grasp the beauty and scale of this scene to a degree that I’m surprised I still retain after a decade and a half.
The extended cut version of this sequence has even MOAR screams and I love it I put on Spider-Man 2 for my nephew, and once this scene came up his mom told me to turn it off 😅
Yoooo. It amazes me how you remember these small snippets. I do remember watching this scene over and over, because it had a horror thrilling feeling to it. Never realized how significant it was they did pull that off in this type of film.
Raimi absolutely nailed the pulp of comic books with that trilogy while also giving them enough meat to make them stand the test of time. Spiderman 2 is an All Timer in its own right. I can't say that about any of the other Marvel films. Those seem like popcorn fun to me, but this movie has actually resonated with me for a decade.
A nice little detail is that at the end of the scene, right when Otto screams as he saw the carnage, his tentacles raise the same way as his body. That implies that the AI made Otto think he was responsible for the chaos prior to his awakening instead of the AI being completely ruthless to doctors in order to survive and to control Otto until he takes control at his final duel with Spider-Man.
I remember being terified of this scene when I was a kid, and today it's probably one of my favorite scenes in the movie. It's a shame that the arms are most likely going to be fully CGI in no way home, because the practical effects really add a lot to the experience.
I remember watching this movie for the first time a few months ago, and I was absolutely STUNNED by this scene. The lack of music in itself unsettled me so much, and it was SO COOL.
I studied this scene religiously back when I was doing cutscenes for the Batman Arkham Games. One of my favourite essays of yours, it brought me back.
Wait you did the cutscenes from the Arkham Games?
Your comment also brings me back. Arkham Asylum and Shattered Dimensions are the most memorable games of my early teens.
Wait, you did some of the cutscenes from those games? That's so cool, I always loved the way they portrayed the "madness" from the batman universe, specially how batman Arkham asylum was made. I even remember zooming in to some of the small polaroids in the psychiatric ward, they were pictures of real people making looney faces, they looked as if the designers had taken them from themselves hahaha
I think I speak for all people who loved the Arkham Games when I say this: thank you for your work! You are a great artist.
Those are one of my favorite games. Thank you sir.
It’s the most Sam Raimi scene in the whole trilogy.
yep, that and then the green goblin final fight scene. Brutal!
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@@AxxLAfriku Ahh Rosie, I love this boy.
yup. entirely correct
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Sony: this scene might be too scary, we want to market this movie to kids.
Sam Raimi: I missed the part where that's my problem.
I hope so much that Marvel allows him to do his signature style in the new Doctor Strange film.
@@redcrabdue1787 Doubtful. He was hired because Scott Derrickson wanted it to be a true horror movie. Sam Raimi taking his place means that Disney/Marvel dangled bait in order to keep him complacent.
@@SirBlackReeds Sadly, I expect the same. So far Marvel was always too keen on using its typical kid friendly formula on all MCU films.
and here i am just missing the "scary" part
Sam wanting to put some dirt in our eyes...
I’m so glad SOMEBODY is talking about this scene. It terrified 11-year-old me, and helped me understand how impactful the “less is more” approach can be in horror movies.
This scene was amazing, but it freak me out.
Try being a 5-year-old Spider-Man fan just sitting there having the time of your
life and then THIS comes on the screen. I actually covered my eyes LOL. Talk about nightmare fuel
Lol I was six when I saw it in theaters and couldn't sleep for a week
Raimi is all about less is more
I was out of high school, so I found it quite silly in how dramatic it is. I've come to appreciate filmmaking like this over the years.
I love the shot at 05:30. Look how delicately the arm removes Doc Oc’s blindfold moments after displaying pure destruction. The camera pushes in on his face and you, along with Oc, feel overwhelmed with the realisation of how much more powerful he has just become
Love the small tilt up as his head raises too. Very fincher-esc. Helps us identify with doc to make it easier to sympathize with him as not the villian but victim of the mechanical arms.
YES. I remember watching that as a teen and seeing it again I remember how disconcerting it was to watch them go from brutal murder to gently, almost tenderly, peeling away the blinds from his eyes. There was so much tenderness in that action, and it coming from these terrible arms made them all the more monstrous. His reaction as the carnage is revealed, as he realizes what he's done, what he's become, what he's allowed to come into existence, genius. And the way the arms react as his understanding grows and stretch in triumph as his drop in despair, the stronger, more evil entity ushering it's beloved and essential servent into a new understanding of existence. Absolute magic, all sparked and so much more menacing because of that one moment of gentleness from the machine.
bingo! totally true!!
I just wanted to say that I watch your "The Before Trilogy - Love Over Time" video every couple of weeks. That video was edited so well!
Powerful.. I’d say dangerous and unpredictable
This could have easily been R-rated scene, and looking back on it I always remembered this as the most bloody scene in Spider-Man trilogy and after the re-watch I was jolted to see there is not a single drop of blood anywhere.
It is such a pleasure to watch your videos man, I envy the people who can talk to you daily.
Omgg I love your videos!!
The scene would've been better R-rated. But we all must make sacrifices.
I swear My mind added blood. I distinctly remember this scene having blood. The asian doctor i thought she got stabbed but the scene just popped up where the nails grate. And Now im reminded why i hated this. Hindsight proves it was damn effective.
R rated? where you raised by Ned Flanders or something?
voilence should be the key thing.. but alot of people are scared of blood so..
THIS is what I loved about the old Spider-Man movies; they were drama, horror, action, romance, and comedy that just so happened to be about "super heroes". Now, super hero movies feel like it's own genre and feel "formulaic" and sterile; not raw with the dynamic emotional range these older movies had.
100%
That is the main reason why Spider-Man 3 (which is hated by most) is for me better than pretty much almost all of the new generation super-hero movies. It has a million problems but it still feels like it has meet to it
now mcu is more interested in hiring black lgbtq and women to put into their films than actually making a good scene.
@@mousikopaigmonas23 if this is true then why pretty much all mcu movies feature mainly straight white men?
@@evanderdornellesplease think before typing.. The characters derive from the comics, so yea mostly white men. But since when did superhero movies need to become political,well as soon as Hollywood became woke.
4:30 THANK YOU.
I'm so sick of people saying things like "The new Batman can't be good/dark without being treated R." This is just one more example of how someone really knowing what he's doing can make amazing cinema that's disturbing without leaning excessively into 'adult' levels of gore, etc.
i do feel that there are cases when gore can elevate a movie, like i would have loved some blood in venom. But overrall i agree, this scene speaks for itself
@@shinkamui sure, the use of blood can definitely change a setting's mood. I'm simply arguing that less can be more, and that skilled directors can do more with implication and artful craft than just painting the walls red.
Consider also: Batman TAS, the hostage video scene from The Dark Knight, etc.
@@StriderZessei absolutely, am not disagreeing here
Also, don't forget that the original "Poltergeist" is scary as hell with a ZERO BODY COUNT.
@gensokyo boyz lol the chestburster alone was enough for the R-rating. ratings aren't based on undertones or subtext.
Fun fact for those who don't know: the doctor with the glasses who gets killed by a claw at 5:04 is none other than John Landis, director of An American Werewolf in London. So there's a tiny homage to a horror director in this horror scene.
Ah, the guy (ir)responsible for a couple of actors being chopped into pieces by a helicopter on the set of the "Twilight Zone" movie.
That's interesting. I was wondering why after this scene where Doc Ock goes on the street and throws the taxi totally reminded me of An American Werewolf in London for some reason.
Ugh. I was happier not knowing that. He is responsible for the death of children because he wanted "realism" in a TV show and took unexcusable risks.
@@MariaVosa Don't ever look up anything about his son, then. The sociopath apple landed right next to the sociopath tree.
@@MariaVosa it was the movie, but yeah, messed up. Paid a family off the books because children aren’t supposed to work that late at night.
"the kids who saw this in theatres either became traumatized or became instant horror fans" hit the nail right on the head.
Yep. Traumatized. Even without the blood and guts, horror is not for me. I know many people really, really do, so I'm glad they enjoyed this scene. The breakdown here was great, though, since I basically closed my eyes for the whole thing when watching the movie.
Luckily for me that I became a horror fan. 😆
It became me a big horror fan by traumatizing me lol
Im that one kid who became an horror enthusiast after watching the raimi trilogy 😂
"A lot of things probably don't deserve [our nostalgia], but some things *really fuckin' do* " is a beautiful thesis statement
Right!
Yes
Loved the end of the video for this. Beautiful edit as well. Kudos.
I am allergic to the F-word and was disappointed by its use.
I also love how it is shown that the mechanical arms have their own intelligence by keeping the doc facing down and blindfolded throughout the scene. The doc could not possibly know where everyone is in the room. It is the arms that are acting and watching on their own throughout the scene; doc is a part of them not the other way around.
Everyone who clicked this knew exactly what scene you were going to talk about!!! I miss how hard Spider-Man movies used to go.
...i didn't
@@DanKaschel Then you, my friend, do not know Raimi.
@@DanKaschel you have to forget the third movie to appreciate the greatness of the first two, even with emo Peter Parker.
Well the thumbnail kinda give it away
This movie had Aunt May hanging from a building by her umbrella. Most of it was so mind numbingly stupid that this scene feels even more out of place.
I definitely love that the most Raimi-esque parts of the Spider-Man trilogy were when the villain is “born.” In all those instances like Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, and Venom, their origin stories are legit short horror films!
I never realized that but thats true
true
The birth of Sandman wasn’t scary. If anything, it was moving. Especially the music for that scene.
@@esyphillis101 maybe the horror story part could apply to the initial demolecularization of Flint Marco. I mean, it follows the usual beats of a body horror transformation type scene with closeups of the skin and dna strands turning flakey and rock like.
Alfred Molina’s scream at the end with the tentacles wailing in the air next to his arms is iconic cinema, incredible scene
iconic i agree but a bit cheesy over time
@@freebird1721 Only because of imitators or related tropes that came after.
@@mikeexits Imitators? The Big "NO!" has been a trope for decades. Raimi's use adds a touch of creativity with the tentacles but he definitely wasn't the first.
And George Lucas was like, "Yup, exactly that scene again please, Hayden"
exactly. utterly right!
The audio design is also amazing and elevates the scene. Hearing the first arm rise behind you before it strikes, hearing the arms move left to right and right to left, hearing the scratching of nails come from behind you to in front of it. It puts you directly into the scene and makes you feel each moment. I use to install 5.1 audio systems in living rooms and I would use this scene to fine tune the speakers.
That’s awesome lol
“They were either traumatized or became instant horror fans.”
BOTH
Ah man, that lady being dragged across the floor into the shadows is ENGRAVED into my mind. It was literally the only thing I remember from my first ever viewing of Spider-Man 2 (I was 7-ish)
Too bad the movie cut out the close up shot of the screaming woman's mouth before shifting to the guy cutting Doc Ock's mechanical arms unsuccessfully.
My fear is that No Way Home's depiction of Doc Ock is going to be pretty toothless compared to this scene
plus those are cg arms in now way home.
I have to hope that Raimi was next door working on Strange 2 and they just kept poking their heads in and asking him questions, because when the Master is nearby, you should take the chance to learn
@@madmonk3030 He's doing Strange 2? :O :O WHOA! I'm very excited to know that!!!
@@deepaksrinivasmondal yep! He took over last year as a replacement for Scott Derrickson
@@cillain1711 yeah, if it's anything the mcu is known for, it's low quality cgi
Being a huge Raimi fan long before this came out, I remember seeing this in the theater and being blown away that he was able to put his signature horror style into a mainstream blockbuster film as a wink and nod to his original fan base. Classic Raimi, a true auteur.
Yes! I feel like he put that in there for us, his old fans
I just watched this again recently as an adult and this scene was absolutely HORRIFYING to me - thanks for covering it because it is a fantastic bit of filmmaking
It's also absolutely hilarious
@@jupiterkansas that too!
I love how after the NWH trailer dropped, the OG film-Spidey fans went and rewatched Spiderman 2.
i also love how when octavius shouts "nooo", the arms rise up and look like theyre rejoicing
I always interpreted it as them wailing in remorse echoing Doc, even tho they caused the horror illustrating (showing, not telling) how their psyches are linked, and they can effect each other. Priming us for how the minds of the arms effect Doc's mind as the film progresses.
I'm surprised you didn't mention him referencing Evil Dead directly by having a chainsaw wielding man try to fight the monster (And losing).
Didnt need too. Rami fans all got the gesture
It was a Medical Chainsaw. I'm disappointed we didn't get to see it removed from a sealed bag labelled 'Sterile', Dr. Hibbert 2x4 style.
OMG! I totally just figured it out! The hospital has medical chainsaws on hand, because that's how they make their surgical 2x4's!!!
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It was too obvious to even hint it
He lost because he was insufficiently _groovy_
"...but some things REALLY FUCKING DO."
God damn I love that, it's such a good feeling being pumped that something you loved from your childhood is still just as good as you remembered
Something you notice after learning Sam Raimi's background before the Spiderman movie's is that they're SO full of horror thematics. As someone who has grown to love horror films, it ads a whole new layer to watching the trilogy the fact that Raimi manages to push his roots into the very limits of the PG-13 rating. All 3 of them are incredible in that aspect.
I’ve watched this scene so many times, probably more than any other scene from any superhero film. What always stuck out to me about this scene was how truly visceral and gruesome is feels without ever showing anything graphic, like this shit honestly feels so much more violent and disturbing than anything out of like a Deadpool movie despite never even showing a single drop of blood, that’s the power of a great director.
THANK YOU.
I finally understood why 11 year old me was obsessed with this scene and actually tried to replicate it with my toys.
This is pure evil. And I loved it.
Great breakdown. The only thing I'd add is... the stunt crew!!! This scene is so physical and you feel every bit of it thanks to amazing stunt choreography and performances. Obviously the first doctor being flung over the operating table and through a glass door is awesome but 3:07 is my favorite part. The first person running full sprint and then just getting yanked down, the second getting pushed against the cart and then spun into the air. It's acrobatic!
To me, this scene is Raimi's style of horror in a nutshell: The pov perspective of the arms, the close in shots of the chainsaw, the lighting, and lack of music during all the terror. It's all Raimi! I'm happy they used mostly practical effects and cgi.
Spider-Man 2 has so much character. what a classic
I studied film, I always defend this film against my film school friends. They don’t take it seriously since it’s a “superhero movie.” In film school it’s always Tarkovsky, Bergman and Truffaut (which are absolute masters) but I always defend this masterpiece of a film, I’m so glad you see it’s genius.
Thanks for sticking up for a damn good movie.
My god loving Bergman and Raimi at the same time ?? To hell with these snobs...
I recall that they showed this scene, in isolation, to the press well ahead of the movie. Presumably for the reasons you say - it was ready far ahead of principal photography. And the press went *bananas* for it. I wasn’t disappointed when I eventually got to see it.
This seen is so short, but it has stuck with me so long.
The bit at the end with the Doc waking up is always what gets me.
The arms instantly go from brutal to so, so delicate as they remove his blindfold.
There is such a feeling of them protecting him. Loving him. And there is horror in that as well because we just saw what they think that means.
A three minute scene and they managed to capture the brutality of the villian Spider-Man is to face & to make us see the Doc as a sympathic victim all at once.
I remember thinking that Green Goblin was scary when I was a kid
... that's until I saw this in theaters.
Did anyone else hear the Kurlan Naiskos breaking? I can never unhear it; thanks RLM!
The last shot of him screaming with the tentacles wailing still gives me the chills. Deep down Octavius knows he has become a monster
I really need a Bruce Campbell cameo in No Way Home
No, in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness which Sam Raimi is directing
Id be very disappointed if there is no universe where bruce Campbell wasnt an A lister.
i want to see Bruce Campbell as Mysterio.
No, not the updated for 2019 Mysterio, The REAL comic accurate Mysterio
@@whodatninja439 Funny you say that since Bruce Campbell was supposed to be Mysterio in Spider-Man 4. The idea was that all the characters he played throughout the trilogy were in fact one character, Quentin Beck and Beck would become Mysterio in Spider-Man 4.
@@Bardim18 yea ik
Even more than what is said in this video, THIS is how you establish a villain as dangerous. From this point forward in the movie, you know he's a real threat and will kill people
The most impactful thing for me about this scene is how after all the violence, the arm gently removes the mask from the doctor’s face. The juxtaposition of it is almost more terrifying than the violence.
so excited to see raimi's take in multiverse of madness
Exactly. He's perfect for an incredible Dr. Strange story!
If the movie dont have a bruce campbell cameo, then i will be dissapointed
@@mnt5592 Bruce Campbell did tweet out a few months ago that he was in London to work with (paraphrasing) “one hell of a director and one hell of an actor”
So… given what movies were in production in the U.K. at that time, that’ll either be Doctor Strange or Mission: Impossible (and I’d be happy with him appearing in either, tbh)
@@Kmadden2004 if this is true,then it will be... groovy
They Just gonna fk him.
I always love how the surgeon sees the arm in the reflection of his colleague‘s glasses. Like you expect his colleague to see the arm first, but it’s such a clever turn around, which makes the scene really dynamic
I remember just shaking giddily in my chair practically chanting Raimi’s name during this scene in the theater. Not only a masterpiece, but just SO Raimi, with the scream into camera and the “whoosh” noises. Just having the biggest movie of the year have an Army of Darkness scene was so amazing.
I remember this scene frightening the hell out of me when I first saw the movie back then… even just the first shot with its clinical feel and with the arms covered like that… still does it for me today.
I absolutely love listening to NerdWriter full-on nerding out about how great something is.
i remember this scene so well. it always seemed to have the darkest tone in all of the movie (for me) and after slaughtering everyone, seeing those merciless arms gently pull away doc ocks blindfold with teeny tiny finger thingies was such a ... scary and somewhat heartwarming scene following the brutally before it.
scary as in, (i think music was building up then) it was followed by something that seemed sinister and dangerous, not in them harming anyone but... it gave them so much personality
I watched this just last week and at the time noted to myself Raimi's horror style shining through in that scene. Along the lines of "Ha! You can't miss who is directing this." You expressed it much more eloquently.
As a kid, The Evil Dead movies got me into horror films. I remember watching this scene unfold on opening night and grinning ear-to-ear, absolutely giddy and feeling like it was made just for me. Truly masterful. Thank you for this breakdown.
I would always skip this scene when I was younger because it scared the shit out of me, but after rewatching the movie over and over I came to love it
all the shiny and sharp blades being so close to eyes, and the movement of everything is so clear and well lit. I don't remember many experiences of watching movies in theaters as a kid but I distinctly remember being so stressed out at this scene I almost left. I thought I exaggerated it in my memory but no, this scene is unpleasantly brutal and fantastically executed
LOVE this scene. Always thought it was the most Raimi scene in the film. Even the first Spider-Man had moments inspired by raimi’s horror background. Particularly the Norman Osborn Spider-Man fight scene at the end when Osborn dies.
1:40 wait, you talk about the eye over the blade shot but not the fact he was looking at the arm hanger move a little to build up tension?
A couple of thoughts!
1) I love the nod to the Evil Dead by having the doctor reach for the chainsaw.
2) The final shot of these scenes with Doc Oc realizing the horror of what he has created and who he has become reminded me of how much he is a sympathetic character in the movie. Yes, he is the main villain, but the movie does a good job of showing his humanity and he ends up sacrificing himself to save New York in the end. Remembering this makes me a little nervous about how he will be used in No Way Home. I'm as excited as any other millennial about him being in the film, but I hope they don't just turn him into another generic villain with no complexity. I'll be curious to see how they utilize him in the story.
What a beautiful breakdown of a scene!! Love watching your videos because the insight that you give on what gives certain scenes their weight is fascinating to watch and learn about!!
I hope they bring Willem Dafoe back too. That sweet man's facial expressions alone are horror/comedy gold.
"The kids who saw this either were traumatized or became instant horror fans." Yes. To both.
The sandman scene in Spider-Man 3 was another Sam Raimi moment.
Birth of Sandman. Both score and scene are perfect.
This is probably the best video essay i have ever watched. The editing and sounddesign is fabulous! Really outclassed everybody else. Please give us more!
I really liked this video. This is one of the best villain introductions in movie history. Shear terror, weight and strength, all in a matter of minutes
The shot of the nurse dragging her fingernails still terrifies me 17 years later
God I can confirm, this part HORRIFIED ME as a child, legit was one of the most chilling movie scened I’d seen at that time
Its the way I didn't remember this scene reading the title but the moment it started to play I was like "YES THIS PART WAS IT!!!!" that makes me realize how instrumental it was to me liking horror movies and stylized filming. Like it just makes it so much more fun and is really something I look forward to in movies today.
I remember being absolutely terrified when I saw this on theaters as a kid... Absolute masterpiece
Green Goblin had a much higher body count, but that one scene from Spider-man 2 is was sold to me that Doc Oc was a bigger threat than any pumpkin-bomb-wielding maniac.
I was a bit older when this came out and already a Rami fan, when this scene kicked off I remember saying "YES!" out loud because I could just feel that awesome Rami attention to rhythm and editing. As your vid started I said it again, YES!
4:23 Another thing I like is they let Otto's body wiggle lifelessly like he is only a host for alien tentacles coming out.
At 12 years old, my cousin and I thought this scene was hilarious. Especially the part when the woman leaves nail scratches in the floor. Are we psychopaths?
It just seems so over the top, which screams Sam Raimi.
I also thought it was over-the-top enough to be somewhat humorous. I definitely was not traumatized by it (nor am I a horror fan), and I am someone who is usually more bothered by violent scenes than a lot of people I know. Which is not to say that I don't think it's a well-done scene. I think it's just that it's so over the top that my brain never registered it as a real thing that could happen.
Same - for me it's so campy and makes it pretty funny
I think it's because it's so fun to watch. Like it just jumps out at you. I was almost laughing too when the lady was getting dragged cause it's so absurd but also so fucking brutal lmao
This scene should be an example to film students on how to build tension without resorting to blood and gore. Great essay Nerdwriter as always.
This scene is what Black Widow and the Venom movies should have been, a movie doesn't need to be R-rated to portray violence and horror.
One thing I also love, looking back, is how at the end we see Doc Ock wake up, horrified. The scene isn’t just horror for the audience, it’s horror for him too, and let’s us key in on how he isn’t simply a malevolent being, he’s a victim who has fallen under the influence of one.
Raimi's Spider-man trilogy will forever be GOATed.
Also, this really ups the stakes on Spider-man at how violent and terrifying his new enemy is. I remember watching this as a kid and thinking to myself
"How is Spidey gonna beat that?"
Doctor: "we will remove these robotic arms"
Robotic arms: "I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye"
This was even more scarier for me than the final battle between Spider-Man and green goblin in the first movie which was even more gory and had more physical violence. Raimi is simply a genius.
No mention of the fact that John Landis has a cameo as one of the surgeons in this scene? So freaking great
Which one is he?
I've always loved the seamless cut and zoom shot at 2:30. And I feel like no one in my friend group would understand why I gush about it so much so I'm glad to hear somebody talking about it 😂
Seeing this now transports me right back to the same feeling of seeing it in the theatre when I was 9. Brutal.
I recently rewatched this movie, and however hokey some of it seems years later, this scene still sticks out as one of the best scenes ever in a superhero movie.
I felt that last line.
Woah... I need to rewatch these films. I think my mind protected me from remembering this scene, because despite loving this movie in my childhood, and vividly remembering other scenes in it (the train, the sun at the end), this scene was gone *completely* from my head. That's wild.
Dude....go rewatch the first two movies right now! Your missing out!
I loved the audio editing in this video each time you paused a scene and the sound slightly echoed. Great job man
Despite loving this whole scene, I never focused on how black and white works so well here, it feels like an old classic horror movie through and through
I remember my older siblings telling me to shut my eyes at this scene when we were watching it.
DO THEY THINK THAT MADE IT ANY BETTER?! THE SOUND DESIGN IS HALF THE HORROR!
Lol, I feel like for a young child, just the sound would almost be worse! What would be going on in your mind?
I remember being in the movies like holy fuck this is dark for a super hero movie and I loved every moment if it.
Another thing I feel about this scene is that while the motivation to include it may have been mostly indulgent on Raimi's part, I think it has the effect of really selling Doc Ock's power and by extension, the hero's power. There's something about first seeing what he can do to regular people (These things easily break bones, brick and concrete and move at blinding speeds.) which then helps illustrate how impressive it is for Spidey to be dodging these tentacles, tanking hits from them, or even parrying them. No one else could do that.
I could never watch this scene as a kid. I loved this movie, but always found an excuse to leave the room when this part came on.
This is why I love your channel. The go-to tactic with 90% of media critics on UA-cam would be to go the cynical route and make fun of the unrealistic hair fan on the screaming doctor or how a medical cart wouldn’t really explode like that if someone was pushed into it with that amount of force, but all my favourite videos of yours address what the actual purpose of stuff like that is and what it adds to the film. You lift up the art instead of taking swings at it for easy views. Great video.
This was where I cheered knowing Raimi still had the horror chops up his sleeve, just as I suspected 😅
They showed this at my camp for movie night when I was 8. When this scene came on I was immediately gripped by fear and also a weird sensation of curiosity. It was only when the movie turned off and I was alone with my thoughts did I begin to bawl my eyes out. However, I was not traumatized nor did it haunt my nightmares… I was intrigued. Even scared 8 year old me was able to grasp the beauty and scale of this scene to a degree that I’m surprised I still retain after a decade and a half.
babe wake up new nerdwriter video dropped
5:50 you have one of those peaceful voices that I cant imagine aggressively swearing, but I like it!
some parts nostalgia, most parts... just happy to see the actor again.
The extended cut version of this sequence has even MOAR screams and I love it
I put on Spider-Man 2 for my nephew, and once this scene came up his mom told me to turn it off 😅
These videos really fucking do make me appreciate films on a whole another level 👍🏼
Yoooo. It amazes me how you remember these small snippets. I do remember watching this scene over and over, because it had a horror thrilling feeling to it. Never realized how significant it was they did pull that off in this type of film.
I absolutely love the Raimi trilogy. They are so fun. And I’d admit, my favourite movie of the trilogy is Spider-Man 3. It’s incredibly overlooked.
It’s not a popular opinion but I heartily agree.
While I wouldn't call 3 my favourite, I do like it and it definitely gets more flak than it deserves.
You can prefer Spider-Man 3 and that's okay, but Spider-Man 2 is a masterpiece.
@@Zomdra this. Prefer 1&2, especially 2 but 3 isn’t bad at all by any means. It’s weird how people can like Venom and hate Spider-Man 3
@@paradise_valley we just hate topher
This entire scene proves that you don't need extreme gore or jumpscares to level up the scare factor.
Raimi absolutely nailed the pulp of comic books with that trilogy while also giving them enough meat to make them stand the test of time. Spiderman 2 is an All Timer in its own right. I can't say that about any of the other Marvel films. Those seem like popcorn fun to me, but this movie has actually resonated with me for a decade.
A nice little detail is that at the end of the scene, right when Otto screams as he saw the carnage, his tentacles raise the same way as his body. That implies that the AI made Otto think he was responsible for the chaos prior to his awakening instead of the AI being completely ruthless to doctors in order to survive and to control Otto until he takes control at his final duel with Spider-Man.
I remember being terified of this scene when I was a kid, and today it's probably one of my favorite scenes in the movie. It's a shame that the arms are most likely going to be fully CGI in no way home, because the practical effects really add a lot to the experience.
I remember watching this movie for the first time a few months ago, and I was absolutely STUNNED by this scene. The lack of music in itself unsettled me so much, and it was SO COOL.