I’m gonna tell you this, no one denies the losing early on. That’s part of the legend. If you knew who the players were surrounding him, you actually be impressed that they were actually able to compete against the beasts of the East. The story is about perseverance and improvement and building guys around him. I’m from Chicago, grew up during this era, it’s a known fact that MJ personally worked with Scottie and Horace to make them they guys that they became bc he knew he couldn’t rely on management to get guys in. With Scottie and Horace we knew we had raw but talented guys that MJ could mold into this. Most people don’t know this bc back in the 80s the only teams you were able to follow really were your local teams. So nationally people don’t know how much MJ helped Scottie and Horace develop.
Exactly. Who holds it against a draft pick for being drafted to a completely shit team? Jordan's career arc is as close to perfect as you can get for a professional athlete.
The bulls of the 80's were all drinking, and using drugs day in and out. This was a 20-30 win team being carried by MJ into the playoffs nearly every year. Without MJ they I don't think make the playoffs even one year. Team was one of the worse sport teams of the 80's.
that coach was at the bottom, no team wanted him, he almost left basquetball forever. His tactic was focused on one monster. Like Pippen, he spent a couple of years in the Bulls before becoming what we know, before that he was only good at defense 1v1
Right! I don't think Phil was the greatest X's & O's coach.His gift was in knowing how to deal with massive, superstar egos, and getting them to buy in to a team concept
I laugh when they say MJ was a ball hog early on. MJ had more assists in his rookie year than Larry Bird did in his rookie year. In fact, if you actually watched the games you’d see that MJ was forced to score more because if he didn’t the team wouldn’t score. I can’t tell you the countless would be dimes he dropped in his teammates hands that wound up as blown layups or bricks from perimeter. Just watch a random game his first three seasons and you’ll see for yourself.
Fact : Phil Jackson wasn't a HOF coach in the beginning.. and early Bulls teams supporting cast was awful.. point is.. unlike LeBron, MJ stayed and built a dynasty organically.. He didn't leave "take his talent to South Beach" they all became HOF 6-0 Champs together
Yup. Phil Jackson wouldn’t be the coach he became without MJ. Why you think he won with Kobe? Same type of player. Never won without that type of player. I will give Phil credit for being able to manage egos. That he was 100% on point with and was what the bulls needed. Bron is not willing to be coachable . He’s a coach killer his whole career. You have to be able to listen to be coachable.
What’s being missed is all the times they were saying that MJ was the best in the league before he had Won. The winning just solidified the position. His output didn’t really change when he got better players around him.
Magic, during the 84 Olympics when the college players played the Olympic NBA team full of all starts, and HOF players in like 8 or 9 games in July, that the college players won every game, called MJ the best NBA player today. This was before he had stepped foot on an NBA court. I tell people find me another sport or the NBA where a magic, one of the best players in that sport, called a guy coming into said sport, who has yet to step foot on the sport's field/court the best player. You can't do it.
Everyone always talks about him losing in the beginning, what are you talking about?? Thats part of the reason why people loved him. He started off on a terrible team, DIDN’T leave and go somewhere else to win, stayed with the bulls, worked on his game, got better and then won 6 rings. People love watching someone work their way up and not just take the easy route.
Yeah and ppl thought he was going to win against the championship Celtics team by himself as a sophomore? That’s what is funny. Bird had 4 other HOFers. Isiah had 2 to 3 Other HOFers and MJ had coke heads until Pippen and Horace came to the team.
There's a big difference between being the best player on the Dream team and playing the best on the Dream team because that is the way the team wanted to play
Scottie Pippen is very underrated! In today's game, he would be what Lebron claims he is. Scottie actually covered 1 through 4 and some times 5, depending on the center. Also, Phil Jackson wasn't a Hall of Fame coach at the time he was just a first-time head coach who knew how to really coach up players with good to great talent.
More then coaching, Phil knew how to corral the egos on any team. He was able to pacify guys who maybe might not like each other too much, he was able to have guys likwe that to trust each other on a court. It's why he was called the zen master.
Mike’s lifestyle caught up with him. As he gets older, he becomes his dad more and more. MISS DEE, ON THE OTHER HAND, beside HIM, looks like his sister. Look @ her in that track suit in that pic of him and her @ the opening of his Center in NC. That’s his sister😂🤣😂🤣She and my grandma (also Delores) both birthed a star in 63. Our star is my Lefty stylist (Aunt), born in May, 63👊🏿👊🏿I was ten when Pops died. As kid from a 2P household who WISHES she could show her dad anything REMOTELY CLOSE to that, it took growing up to understand his greatness, so I understand the oldest saying while rolling his eyes, “Michael Jordan is my younger (and SHORTER) brother…😒”😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I graduated HS in 86’ … there hasn’t been another player as Great , as loved and as respected as Jordan was. There was never a question. He proved it nightly! Must see TV. In a Bay Area lifelong Warriors fan. Nobody had a chance as long as MJ was in The league . His Father being murdered on the side of the road was so damn tragic & horrific for him.
Same here (1985) . We were soooooo lucky to live during that time. Saw Magic, Bird, Kareem, MJ and then Kobe and Lebron. Ill be honest, i was bored watching a modern day game and Lebron did not impress me at all.
What it didn't tell was the reason why MJ only averaged 20 points in North Carolina, and that was coach Dean Smith believed in all of his players playing team ball, so he had to reign it in a little bit but he could have averaged much more in college.
5 seasons as assistant and a champion in his 2nd season as head. It was a perfect combination and a chicken or the egg situation deciding who affected who's career the most imo.
Back in the day wasn't like today, when you had all these great players on all these different teams, the media and the team fans would say that their star player was better than Jordan because the players were dynamic but they just didn't have that extra drive that Jordan had. 🤷🏿
Jordan was kinda Polarizing for his time, too. Tame by today standards, but I remember some folks disliking him so much, they immediately attached to every Clyde and Charles that Jordan faced in the finals.
All of Jordan's numbers and accolades are legitimate. The suggestion that they are "padded" is not backed up by the actual facts. There's an orchestrated defamation campaign by Lebron's team that wants to diminish Jordan to prop up Lebron because Lebron has done nothing on the floor to be the GOAT so he has to get his people to talk shit about Jordan in a pathetic effort to prop himself up. The facts are that Jordan did more in less time than Lebron. Jordan is the GOAT.
That old saying without saying" been there done that" I bet now you think LeBron James has nothing on Jordan or Kobe! Only reason I said Kobe is that LeBron is still chasing that ring to tie Kobe Bryant and still two from Jordan!
Phil had never been a head coach before. He developed with the Bulls. If yo boy would have accepted coaching, say in Miami. He would be more comp. And Spo a HOF Coach
What’s never mentioned is that Jordan consistently took the last shot of every quarter, many times a long 3. Considering he didn’t shoot many 3’s, I’d be interested to know how much that impacted his percentage.
In his early career he had drugged out teammates that he didn’t trust so the beginning of the video is not applying any context. Look up MJ leading team USA to an 8-0 record vs the NBA’s best before playing in the NBA. And about the cooking of stats. Lebron James is the supreme chef of stat padding and gets helped with the stat cooking
People have to remember that Jordan got cut from the varsity as a sophomore, but he DID play junior varsity. MJ then excelled in his junior and senior years. Also, in 1986, he missed those games because he broke his foot, not because he injured his ankle.
So MJ played with exactly one all star. Pippen did not make the 91 All Star team, so MJ was the only all star on the 91 Bulls. Horace Grant did not become an all star until after MJ retired for baseball. Dennis Rodman, Toni Kukoc, Ron Harper did not make an all star team with the Bulls. Harper had a knee injury that had devalued him, that’s why he was available. He was an all star when he played for the Cavs and Clippers (I think). Rodman was actually past his prime and the Bulls were basically his last chance to stay in the league at all. But he was far from what he was in Detroit with the Bad Boys. Kukoc did not become an all star until after he no longer played for the Bulls. So yea, they were deep but not as stacked as it seems when you look back on those guys’ careers. In the moment they were really good but not as great as they were at other points in their careers when they weren’t playing with MJ. There’s a reason they were available to sign.
for me pip is underrated ... he is the sidekick, and most of sidekicks were underrated😅 ... i would compare pip with giannis in a way, but with a much better shooting ... and like giannis, pip aint a LEADER! but thats fine bcoz he know whos team hes playing .. thats were the brotherly respect comes in with that duo! one of the best duo in basketball history ... pip accepted his role as MJ's robin😅 he'll always gonna be "the sidekick", BUT he'll also be immortalized in basketball history books as "THE GOAT'S PARTNER" ... aint a bad thing for a sidekick, right? ... pip is very underrated! he does everything to support MJ either by defending the best wing of the opp team or helping with the scoring or rebounding, he can also pass and to top it all off, MJ INFECTED HIM WITH HIS PSYCHOTIC BASKETBALL TYPE SH*T😅😂😂 lmfao
Hey Coach, MJ went 2777 days without losing 3 games in a row. That is 626 games spanning over 9 seasons. Even the Golden State Warriors' crazy winning team lost 3 in a row on 4 occasions during their "reign".
Youngins think we just be talking about this man, no he was just that great. The best two-way player ever so too me that’s why he the best player I ever seen.
What makes Isiah walking out without congratulating MJ when the Bulls swept them was that each time the Pistons beat the Bulls the previous years. MJ was there congratulating the Pistons and wishing them well in the playoffs. That is why Isiah ain’t 💩 and deserves all the stuff that happened to him afterwards. Also Magic robbed MJ as Of two MVPs. Just look it up. MJ should have won those last Magic MVPs and it wasn’t close.
There was a lot of cap with the Pippen talk. First off it was the triangle offense of Tex winters that open all that space on the court for MJ to operate. Second Pippen wasn’t an Allstar caliber player until his 3rd season He came off bench his rookie season 7.9 ppg. Pippen was good defensively but became great playing under those tough love practices with MJ. Pippen got better each year and it was his defense that got him to be an Allstar Not his 16ppg. Horace Grant was just as important to that first threepeat team as Scottie was. So in my opinion he wasn’t over or underrated. He gets the praise he deserves. There were countless times Pippen disappeared in the playoffs. But there were games he came to play as well. Do I believe he would be a hall of famer had he not played with MJ? No. I do not think if he played in Seattle without those MJ practices would he been what he was with the bulls.
Kareem won 6 MVP awards in 8 years. Most people don't know that. He was the best player in the league for 10 years. Media did not hype him. He was not good for the league making money. Magic and Larry come along. The money flows
18:55 THANK YOU! I often say that this BITTTCH MOVE was why he wasn’t on The Dream Team. I BELIEVE Mike said he wouldn’t be in Berlin if Isaiah would be. Isaiah robbed himself of a 🥇 in 92. Mike SHUT GERMANY DOWN (like in 84) and Isaiah missed it as he should’ve. #Bitttttch #LegacyVoided
Bron never bought in to anything that his coaches were trying to do. Jordan didn't like the triangle at first, but he bought in and allowed himself to be coached
I graduated HS in 86’ … there hasn’t been another player as Great , as loved and as respected as Jordan was. There was never a question. He proved it nightly! Must see TV. In a Bay Area lifelong Warriors fan. Nobody had a chance as long as MJ was in The league . His Father being murdered on the side of the road was so damn tragic & horrific for him. Murdered while changing a tire on side of the road .
LeBron is NOT the most complete basketball ever lmao. To have that title you have to give the effort on defense as you do on offense and you cant have a bunch of weaknesses in your game. Only 1 man can check all those boxes, the GOAT Michael Jeffrey Jordan! I'm so sick of hearing about Leflop being so great! He's way overrated!! Kobe was better than Leflop/Lequit! Jordan, Bird, and Magic are top 3 all time! Nobody will ever change my mind!
Great video but I disagree with the comment saying we don’t ever mention those and only say what he did good. Not true, I’ve watched countless jordan videos were that’s mentioned every time. I’m my opinion it’s blown out proportion. Mj in the 80s had no help. No all stars nothing and he was doing everything. Average like 35 points a game, playing both ends of the floor. Scoring, blocking, steals what more could he do by himself. And he still made it just wasn’t ready yet. And back then people were doing drugsvin the locker rooms. Crazy time. Just unfair saying that way, yes he lost but he was having record breaking games so shouldn’t be on jordan. And lebron struggled first few years with great players on his team.
The climb up the hill only adds to MJ’s story. That’s why he became so dominant. Even as athletic as he was it didn’t translate to winning. From Bird & Celtics he learned to stay mentally focused. On each end of the court every play was the final play the only play. Then the Pistons taught MJ to toughen his body. Early you could wear MJ out so his shot would be inconsistent in 4th quarter. Phil & Lakers taught MJ to play a more team game. Each year he climbed 1 more step up the mountain. By the time he reached the top he was so dominate no one could knock him off except Father Time
Ain’t nobody say mj ain’t lose. In fact him losing early in his career and the way he lost is why the 6 and 0 is so iconic. If he had won from the beginning and never lost and got 13 titles tho that would show dominance I doubt people would have found as entertaining. It would have been seen as unfair. Like one punch man having end of show strength in the beginning. It would become parody and a gag.
I'm MJ all day but Nique got robbed in the dunk contest. Seeing that first Bulls championship live in the Netherlands. Every game early at 3 or 4 AM was legendary. Basketball wasn't that big but everyone knew MJ even without social media. Most people don't know LBJ. The kid that says LeBron they know. There is such a thing as to much media options. And everyone is entitled to have their GOAT no matter what other people say
MJ had to get to the point where he trusted his teammates! That’s one of the things that Phil Jackson helped him with! Early in his career he had teammates that he didn’t trust, that’s why Horace and Scottie were so important to him! Coach K has stated multiple times that MJ was a joy to coach and he said that LeBron doesn’t listen to coaching! If you could build a basketball player and give them the best traits that player would be MJ, what started out as his weaknesses were his strengths by the end of his career!
LeBron may not have had a HOF coach, but he has jumped around in his career to get to play with star teammates. He joined Wade and Bosh in Miami, then went back to Cleveland and had Kyrie and KLove, then to the Lakers with AD and an up-and-coming Kuzma, then DLo, now Reeves. In Michael Jordan’s entire career, how many teammates of his ever made a single all-star game??? (6 championships, keep in mind) Answer: 1. Scottie is the only other Bull to ever qualify for an All-Star game. And Pippen deserved it by every measure, but he was also the ultimate complementary player. It wasn’t like MJ would have an off night and Pippen would go for 35. Michael HAD to be at the level only he could reach every game… and it resulted in 6 titles in 8 years.
Lebron James, sorry, LeGM did not want to play for a hall of fame coach.😒 Stop it. He just got JJ Reddick hired to the most storied franchise in all the NBA from a f***ng podcast🤫. That excuse is hog wash, and we know why he purposely avoided that level of accountability like the plague, then sends his minions to try and convince us otherwise😂. He would be forced to play more off the ball and reduce his ability to accumulate selfish assists, sagging off rebounds and garbage time points. He'd be held accountable for his blatant lack of defensive effort. And he couldn’t get away with forcing his teams to be so one dimensional. LBJ prioritizes person stats over winning.🤔 Which hall of fame coach is going to put up with that?
When you see the right video, you’ll discover it was actually food poisoning after eating a pizza in Salt Lake City. I watched that game (as millions did) and he was sicker than a dog. There was no load management, no I don’t want to play back to back games, limited minutes. The players played for the love of the game. He played because he wanted to win. If you want to grow your channel, please stop the conspiracy theories. Facts are facts.
the biggest thing people don't see is HIS DAD DIED .. he was close with him.. to have that happen and play a different sport and use different muscle memory, and to get back in the sport and DOMINATE again so soon.. .. YOU HAVE TO BE THE BEST to do that... Dont forget when he 1st started he only had 2 years of high school games.. went to collage and DOMINATED as he LEARNED the game... And then INTO the NBA... ... The Players today START when they are like 5 with coaching and special trainers... and HIS STATS are STILL BETTER lol..
Technically MJ didn't play for a hall of fame coach either, till they won. I mean keep in mind Phil Jackson was a nobody when he joined the Bulls. He was coaching in Puerto Rico before the Bulls. The difference between a HoF coach and a non-HoF coach is proving themselves.
He was actually good...lol...He's the GOAT and its not even a debate! The truth is... is that if MJ didn't leave for a year and half to play baseball, he would have won 8 straight championships and 12 straight scoring titles. He was the fiercest most determined athlete in any sport I have ever seen. No one could beat he him because he would not let them.
Eric Spoelstra is a HOF coach and Pat Riley was very much still heavily involved just 2 years removed from coaching the Heat when Bron arrived. If Bron didn’t get coaches fired a year after winning a title they may have been HOF coaches. And Phil went from Scottie/Mike and Dennis to Kobe and Shack. Wasn’t all him.
@coachwiz which year was Phil a hof coach when he coached mj?becuz in order for a coach to become a hof coach they would need to WIN a few chips,now how many chips did Phil win as a coach b4 he became the bulls head coach?……the answer is NONE,mj gave Phil his 1st 6 rings,mj MADE Phil into a hof coach,dnt get shit twisted “coach”smh lebron job is to MAKE his coach a hof and his team the Cavs into a dynasty….smh and you a basketball coach and saying some dumb shit like that smh 🤦🏾♂️
He had almost 0 talent around him until they got Pippen/Grant. No matter how incredible he was, basketball is still a team sport. You have a lot more videos to watch. He only ever had ONE other All-Star to play with in his career - Pippen, while LBJ picked many teams with All-Stars like Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch for an example. MJ played with who he was teamed with by management. You didn’t “hear”!that his steals or other stats were padded. Conspiracy theorists and haters post that shit online. He still holds the scoring record after all these years and the 3-point shot wasn’t almost all the fricking offense like it is now. You’ll hear him say (at the time) that he didn’t want to focus on 3’s because the percentage made is lower, etc. No human is perfect but he had ZERO weaknesses and is still the best 2-way player ever. Barkley is 6’5” and one of the top 50 players when the list was created, still was when it was expanded to top 75. You’re missing so much. I suggest you try other channels like “The Real Mind Crime” and “Uncut Hoops” to name just two. Once you’ve objective, you’ll figure it out.
What you mean we always bring up him losing to Bird and Early in his career, it’s what made Mike into Air Jordan. That’s where the Legend really begins. Nobody is denying or saying LeBum isn’t the best player in the league but he ain’t even close to being considered the GOAT. He’s just not. He’s barely top 5.
Bron didn’t play for an all time coach because he refused to actually build with a team and let a coach actually coach. He leaves when things get tough and gets every coach fired. Oh and Hakeem is definitely the goat defender if it number 2. But I can’t have pippen that high. Definitely top 10 and for sure the best perimeter defender ever. but pippen wasn’t as overall impactful as Duncan, Robinson,KG, or bill Russell as defender. I’d say he’s next up after those guys tho.
No one denies or ignores his early losing and some of his early weaknesses. But if you’re having a 🐐 debate and your Player A and I’m player B neither dude ever runs down the negatives. LeBron fans don’t start “well he’s choked some series and he’s not a good free throw shooter etc” 😂. Everyone just lists what makes their guy the greatest. And when the negatives are brought up they try and contextualise it.
I’m gonna tell you this, no one denies the losing early on. That’s part of the legend. If you knew who the players were surrounding him, you actually be impressed that they were actually able to compete against the beasts of the East. The story is about perseverance and improvement and building guys around him. I’m from Chicago, grew up during this era, it’s a known fact that MJ personally worked with Scottie and Horace to make them they guys that they became bc he knew he couldn’t rely on management to get guys in. With Scottie and Horace we knew we had raw but talented guys that MJ could mold into this. Most people don’t know this bc back in the 80s the only teams you were able to follow really were your local teams. So nationally people don’t know how much MJ helped Scottie and Horace develop.
Exactly. Who holds it against a draft pick for being drafted to a completely shit team? Jordan's career arc is as close to perfect as you can get for a professional athlete.
Failure is part of success.
MJ didn't spend all those seasons losing - he spent them figuring out how to win.
The bulls of the 80's were all drinking, and using drugs day in and out. This was a 20-30 win team being carried by MJ into the playoffs nearly every year. Without MJ they I don't think make the playoffs even one year. Team was one of the worse sport teams of the 80's.
You are so right
That’s the same thing I tell people!
Jordan didn't play for a hof coach he created one!
that coach was at the bottom, no team wanted him, he almost left basquetball forever. His tactic was focused on one monster. Like Pippen, he spent a couple of years in the Bulls before becoming what we know, before that he was only good at defense 1v1
Thank you 👏👏👏
Right! I don't think Phil was the greatest X's & O's coach.His gift was in knowing how to deal with massive, superstar egos, and getting them to buy in to a team concept
big difference between Jordan and Lebron, Jordan is extremely coachable. Phil Jackson said so himself.
I laugh when they say MJ was a ball hog early on. MJ had more assists in his rookie year than Larry Bird did in his rookie year. In fact, if you actually watched the games you’d see that MJ was forced to score more because if he didn’t the team wouldn’t score. I can’t tell you the countless would be dimes he dropped in his teammates hands that wound up as blown layups or bricks from perimeter.
Just watch a random game his first three seasons and you’ll see for yourself.
Fact : Phil Jackson wasn't a HOF coach in the beginning.. and early Bulls teams supporting cast was awful.. point is.. unlike LeBron, MJ stayed and built a dynasty organically.. He didn't leave "take his talent to South Beach" they all became HOF 6-0 Champs together
Yup. Phil Jackson wouldn’t be the coach he became without MJ. Why you think he won with Kobe? Same type of player. Never won without that type of player.
I will give Phil credit for being able to manage egos. That he was 100% on point with and was what the bulls needed.
Bron is not willing to be coachable . He’s a coach killer his whole career. You have to be able to listen to be coachable.
What’s being missed is all the times they were saying that MJ was the best in the league before he had Won. The winning just solidified the position. His output didn’t really change when he got better players around him.
Magic, during the 84 Olympics when the college players played the Olympic NBA team full of all starts, and HOF players in like 8 or 9 games in July, that the college players won every game, called MJ the best NBA player today. This was before he had stepped foot on an NBA court. I tell people find me another sport or the NBA where a magic, one of the best players in that sport, called a guy coming into said sport, who has yet to step foot on the sport's field/court the best player. You can't do it.
Look my guy. He sounds like a myth but the myth was fucking REAL
For real! I saw it with my eyes
Everyone always talks about him losing in the beginning, what are you talking about?? Thats part of the reason why people loved him. He started off on a terrible team, DIDN’T leave and go somewhere else to win, stayed with the bulls, worked on his game, got better and then won 6 rings. People love watching someone work their way up and not just take the easy route.
Jordan only played with one other all star in his whole career at the Bulls...
Yeah and ppl thought he was going to win against the championship Celtics team by himself as a sophomore? That’s what is funny. Bird had 4 other HOFers. Isiah had 2 to 3 Other HOFers and MJ had coke heads until Pippen and Horace came to the team.
@tiredoffools8929 and they weren't all that the 1st couple of years
All these stats in an era that was harder to score in than now.
Facts mostly on twos not threes. He only attempted 2 threes a game on average.
I honestly didn’t think there was a basketball coach in America that hadn’t studied Jordan, you sir are a unicorn.
There's a big difference between being the best player on the Dream team and playing the best on the Dream team because that is the way the team wanted to play
Scottie Pippen is very underrated! In today's game, he would be what Lebron claims he is. Scottie actually covered 1 through 4 and some times 5, depending on the center. Also, Phil Jackson wasn't a Hall of Fame coach at the time he was just a first-time head coach who knew how to really coach up players with good to great talent.
More then coaching, Phil knew how to corral the egos on any team. He was able to pacify guys who maybe might not like each other too much, he was able to have guys likwe that to trust each other on a court. It's why he was called the zen master.
At that pt Rodman 34 yrs old. Harper was a shell of himself after knee injury. MJ and pip made it work
Mike’s lifestyle caught up with him. As he gets older, he becomes his dad more and more. MISS DEE, ON THE OTHER HAND, beside HIM, looks like his sister. Look @ her in that track suit in that pic of him and her @ the opening of his Center in NC. That’s his sister😂🤣😂🤣She and my grandma (also Delores) both birthed a star in 63. Our star is my Lefty stylist (Aunt), born in May, 63👊🏿👊🏿I was ten when Pops died. As kid from a 2P household who WISHES she could show her dad anything REMOTELY CLOSE to that, it took growing up to understand his greatness, so I understand the oldest saying while rolling his eyes, “Michael Jordan is my younger (and SHORTER) brother…😒”😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I graduated HS in 86’ … there hasn’t been another player as Great , as loved and as respected as Jordan was. There was never a question. He proved it nightly! Must see TV. In a Bay Area lifelong Warriors fan. Nobody had a chance as long as MJ was in The league . His Father being murdered on the side of the road was so damn tragic & horrific for him.
Same here (1985) . We were soooooo lucky to live during that time. Saw Magic, Bird, Kareem, MJ and then Kobe and Lebron. Ill be honest, i was bored watching a modern day game and Lebron did not impress me at all.
What it didn't tell was the reason why MJ only averaged 20 points in North Carolina, and that was coach Dean Smith believed in all of his players playing team ball, so he had to reign it in a little bit but he could have averaged much more in college.
Straight up. Nevermind one of those guys he scored less than was Sam Perkins, and the other was James fucking Worthy! xD
Any Lebron fan should probably sit the "numbers were faked" argument out. Juuuuuuuust sayin'.
Literally lies that pippin guarded magic most of the series. It's literally free on youtube
Facts. Just watch the whole games on UA-cam and it disproved all that cap.
Guarded him in game 2…
You mean it’s easy now to score, you breathe on somebody it’s a foul. Jordan would avg 50 today with all the free throws.
Phil wasn't an all time coach when he got there
5 seasons as assistant and a champion in his 2nd season as head. It was a perfect combination and a chicken or the egg situation deciding who affected who's career the most imo.
Maybe if Lebron hadn't ring shopped the entire league he would have played for a good coach like Phil!!!
Back in the day wasn't like today, when you had all these great players on all these different teams, the media and the team fans would say that their star player was better than Jordan because the players were dynamic but they just didn't have that extra drive that Jordan had. 🤷🏿
Jordan was kinda Polarizing for his time, too. Tame by today standards, but I remember some folks disliking him so much, they immediately attached to every Clyde and Charles that Jordan faced in the finals.
You have to remember that at the time nobody else could make Dennis Rodman work. He was not a hot commodity after he left the Pistons.
All of Jordan's numbers and accolades are legitimate. The suggestion that they are "padded" is not backed up by the actual facts.
There's an orchestrated defamation campaign by Lebron's team that wants to diminish Jordan to prop up Lebron because Lebron has done nothing on the floor to be the GOAT so he has to get his people to talk shit about Jordan in a pathetic effort to prop himself up.
The facts are that Jordan did more in less time than Lebron. Jordan is the GOAT.
That old saying without saying" been there done that" I bet now you think LeBron James has nothing on Jordan or Kobe! Only reason I said Kobe is that LeBron is still chasing that ring to tie Kobe Bryant and still two from Jordan!
React to 'stats that prove Michael Jordan is the goat" you will come away knowing Jordan is undoubtedly the goat after watching it.
Phil had never been a head coach before. He developed with the Bulls. If yo boy would have accepted coaching, say in Miami. He would be more comp. And Spo a HOF Coach
Even if they were fudged, it wasn't enough to make him not worthy of the award.
Phil wasn’t a hall of fame coach back then.
What’s never mentioned is that Jordan consistently took the last shot of every quarter, many times a long 3. Considering he didn’t shoot many 3’s, I’d be interested to know how much that impacted his percentage.
Penny was my guy, loved the magic. I thought they were going to get the chip when they beat the bulls.
Bro, I'm curious how long have you been watching NBA basketball?
In his early career he had drugged out teammates that he didn’t trust so the beginning of the video is not applying any context. Look up MJ leading team USA to an 8-0 record vs the NBA’s best before playing in the NBA. And about the cooking of stats. Lebron James is the supreme chef of stat padding and gets helped with the stat cooking
I stopped following the NBA when MJ retired because I knew no one could be better.
People have to remember that Jordan got cut from the varsity as a sophomore, but he DID play junior varsity. MJ then excelled in his junior and senior years. Also, in 1986, he missed those games because he broke his foot, not because he injured his ankle.
It ain’t even close.. .. At All!! His only weakness was he was an average 3 point shooter . Do the ultimate Goat debate video ☑️
No, you are correct, Jordan didn't have the flu, but he did have food poisoning from eating a pizza that was delivered to his room.
Check out The GOAT debate LeBron vs Jordan video.
So MJ played with exactly one all star. Pippen did not make the 91 All Star team, so MJ was the only all star on the 91 Bulls. Horace Grant did not become an all star until after MJ retired for baseball. Dennis Rodman, Toni Kukoc, Ron Harper did not make an all star team with the Bulls. Harper had a knee injury that had devalued him, that’s why he was available. He was an all star when he played for the Cavs and Clippers (I think). Rodman was actually past his prime and the Bulls were basically his last chance to stay in the league at all. But he was far from what he was in Detroit with the Bad Boys. Kukoc did not become an all star until after he no longer played for the Bulls. So yea, they were deep but not as stacked as it seems when you look back on those guys’ careers. In the moment they were really good but not as great as they were at other points in their careers when they weren’t playing with MJ. There’s a reason they were available to sign.
They did in a few games add more steels than they should have. But they also didn't add a few blocks, so in my bias opinion it evens out
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That was Phil Jackson's first years as a head coach. Nobody knew he would be a great coach. It helped him by having MJ on the team.
for me pip is underrated ... he is the sidekick, and most of sidekicks were underrated😅 ... i would compare pip with giannis in a way, but with a much better shooting ... and like giannis, pip aint a LEADER! but thats fine bcoz he know whos team hes playing .. thats were the brotherly respect comes in with that duo! one of the best duo in basketball history ... pip accepted his role as MJ's robin😅 he'll always gonna be "the sidekick", BUT he'll also be immortalized in basketball history books as "THE GOAT'S PARTNER" ... aint a bad thing for a sidekick, right? ... pip is very underrated! he does everything to support MJ either by defending the best wing of the opp team or helping with the scoring or rebounding, he can also pass and to top it all off, MJ INFECTED HIM WITH HIS PSYCHOTIC BASKETBALL TYPE SH*T😅😂😂 lmfao
Scotty has a strong case for being better than LeBron
His steal numbers were not "FUDGED". Stop it
Hey Coach, MJ went 2777 days without losing 3 games in a row. That is 626 games spanning over 9 seasons. Even the Golden State Warriors' crazy winning team lost 3 in a row on 4 occasions during their "reign".
Hey coach if mj didn’t have food poisoning,what did he have? And can you tell us which steroids lebron uses?
28 pts rookie year
Youngins think we just be talking about this man, no he was just that great. The best two-way player ever so too me that’s why he the best player I ever seen.
What makes Isiah walking out without congratulating MJ when the Bulls swept them was that each time the Pistons beat the Bulls the previous years. MJ was there congratulating the Pistons and wishing them well in the playoffs.
That is why Isiah ain’t 💩 and deserves all the stuff that happened to him afterwards.
Also Magic robbed MJ as Of two MVPs. Just look it up. MJ should have won those last Magic MVPs and it wasn’t close.
Hey Coach, you ever have food poisoning? It’s a lot worse than the flu. Trust me.
Never ever compare anyone to MJ.
Phil Jackson didn't walk into Chicago the Phil you're insinuating. He made his name at Chicago as a coach
There was a lot of cap with the Pippen talk. First off it was the triangle offense of Tex winters that open all that space on the court for MJ to operate. Second Pippen wasn’t an Allstar caliber player until his 3rd season
He came off bench his rookie season 7.9 ppg.
Pippen was good defensively but became great playing under those tough love practices with MJ. Pippen got better each year and it was his defense that got him to be an Allstar Not his 16ppg.
Horace Grant was just as important to that first threepeat team as Scottie was. So in my opinion he wasn’t over or underrated. He gets the praise he deserves. There were countless times Pippen disappeared in the playoffs. But there were games he came to play as well.
Do I believe he would be a hall of famer had he not played with MJ? No. I do not think if he played in Seattle without those MJ practices would he been what he was with the bulls.
MJ is that dude!!! Nobody will ever come close.
Why would they add steals to MJ's stats?
Kareem won 6 MVP awards in 8 years. Most people don't know that. He was the best player in the league for 10 years. Media did not hype him. He was not good for the league making money. Magic and Larry come along. The money flows
Coach Phil is not a HOFer before he came to the bulls. He's an assistant coach before he became the lead coach.
18:55 THANK YOU! I often say that this BITTTCH MOVE was why he wasn’t on The Dream Team. I BELIEVE Mike said he wouldn’t be in Berlin if Isaiah would be. Isaiah robbed himself of a 🥇 in 92. Mike SHUT GERMANY DOWN (like in 84) and Isaiah missed it as he should’ve. #Bitttttch #LegacyVoided
Spo is a gonna be a HoF coach, so Bron had a great coach.
Bron never bought in to anything that his coaches were trying to do. Jordan didn't like the triangle at first, but he bought in and allowed himself to be coached
I graduated HS in 86’ … there hasn’t been another player as Great , as loved and as respected as Jordan was. There was never a question. He proved it nightly! Must see TV. In a Bay Area lifelong Warriors fan. Nobody had a chance as long as MJ was in The league . His Father being murdered on the side of the road was so damn tragic & horrific for him. Murdered while changing a tire on side of the road .
LeBron is NOT the most complete basketball ever lmao. To have that title you have to give the effort on defense as you do on offense and you cant have a bunch of weaknesses in your game.
Only 1 man can check all those boxes, the GOAT Michael Jeffrey Jordan!
I'm so sick of hearing about Leflop being so great! He's way overrated!! Kobe was better than Leflop/Lequit! Jordan, Bird, and Magic are top 3 all time! Nobody will ever change my mind!
March 29, 1982 is the first time I ever heard of Jordan.
Great video but I disagree with the comment saying we don’t ever mention those and only say what he did good. Not true, I’ve watched countless jordan videos were that’s mentioned every time. I’m my opinion it’s blown out proportion. Mj in the 80s had no help. No all stars nothing and he was doing everything. Average like 35 points a game, playing both ends of the floor. Scoring, blocking, steals what more could he do by himself. And he still made it just wasn’t ready yet. And back then people were doing drugsvin the locker rooms. Crazy time. Just unfair saying that way, yes he lost but he was having record breaking games so shouldn’t be on jordan. And lebron struggled first few years with great players on his team.
That's why he is the goat from losing to winning not winning and losing and creating super team and losing again.
Clyde was thought at least in the 1991-92 to be Jordan Equal.
Jordan played with only 1 other All-Star on his career in Scottie Pippen. Pippen was a 6-time all-star during the Jordan years.
The climb up the hill only adds to MJ’s story. That’s why he became so dominant. Even as athletic as he was it didn’t translate to winning. From Bird & Celtics he learned to stay mentally focused. On each end of the court every play was the final play the only play. Then the Pistons taught MJ to toughen his body. Early you could wear MJ out so his shot would be inconsistent in 4th quarter. Phil & Lakers taught MJ to play a more team game. Each year he climbed 1 more step up the mountain.
By the time he reached the top he was so dominate no one could knock him off except Father Time
Ain’t nobody say mj ain’t lose. In fact him losing early in his career and the way he lost is why the 6 and 0 is so iconic. If he had won from the beginning and never lost and got 13 titles tho that would show dominance I doubt people would have found as entertaining. It would have been seen as unfair. Like one punch man having end of show strength in the beginning. It would become parody and a gag.
I'm MJ all day but Nique got robbed in the dunk contest. Seeing that first Bulls championship live in the Netherlands. Every game early at 3 or 4 AM was legendary. Basketball wasn't that big but everyone knew MJ even without social media. Most people don't know LBJ. The kid that says LeBron they know. There is such a thing as to much media options. And everyone is entitled to have their GOAT no matter what other people say
Fun fact the only reason Pip was on magic was cause MJ was in early foul trouble. MJ was the primary defender on Magic the rest of that series
MJ had to get to the point where he trusted his teammates! That’s one of the things that Phil Jackson helped him with! Early in his career he had teammates that he didn’t trust, that’s why Horace and Scottie were so important to him! Coach K has stated multiple times that MJ was a joy to coach and he said that LeBron doesn’t listen to coaching! If you could build a basketball player and give them the best traits that player would be MJ, what started out as his weaknesses were his strengths by the end of his career!
LeBron may not have had a HOF coach, but he has jumped around in his career to get to play with star teammates. He joined Wade and Bosh in Miami, then went back to Cleveland and had Kyrie and KLove, then to the Lakers with AD and an up-and-coming Kuzma, then DLo, now Reeves.
In Michael Jordan’s entire career, how many teammates of his ever made a single all-star game??? (6 championships, keep in mind)
Answer: 1. Scottie is the only other Bull to ever qualify for an All-Star game. And Pippen deserved it by every measure, but he was also the ultimate complementary player. It wasn’t like MJ would have an off night and Pippen would go for 35. Michael HAD to be at the level only he could reach every game… and it resulted in 6 titles in 8 years.
Lebron James, sorry, LeGM did not want to play for a hall of fame coach.😒 Stop it. He just got JJ Reddick hired to the most storied franchise in all the NBA from a f***ng podcast🤫. That excuse is hog wash, and we know why he purposely avoided that level of accountability like the plague, then sends his minions to try and convince us otherwise😂. He would be forced to play more off the ball and reduce his ability to accumulate selfish assists, sagging off rebounds and garbage time points. He'd be held accountable for his blatant lack of defensive effort. And he couldn’t get away with forcing his teams to be so one dimensional. LBJ prioritizes person stats over winning.🤔 Which hall of fame coach is going to put up with that?
He was so good, he's the GOAT!
MJ won MVP and DPOY in the same season.
That ended quickly for you 😂😂😂
That 96 Championship was on Father's Day after Jordan's fathers death.
When you see the right video, you’ll discover it was actually food poisoning after eating a pizza in Salt Lake City. I watched that game (as millions did) and he was sicker than a dog. There was no load management, no I don’t want to play back to back games, limited minutes. The players played for the love of the game. He played because he wanted to win. If you want to grow your channel, please stop the conspiracy theories. Facts are facts.
the biggest thing people don't see is HIS DAD DIED .. he was close with him.. to have that happen and play a different sport and use different muscle memory, and to get back in the sport and DOMINATE again so soon.. .. YOU HAVE TO BE THE BEST to do that... Dont forget when he 1st started he only had 2 years of high school games.. went to collage and DOMINATED as he LEARNED the game... And then INTO the NBA... ... The Players today START when they are like 5 with coaching and special trainers... and HIS STATS are STILL BETTER lol..
(10:50 mark) Dude, you're sounding goofy 😂😂😂😂 ..... everyone know Mike had "NO HELP" in the beginning!!!!!! Troll on my brother troll on.😂😂
Technically MJ didn't play for a hall of fame coach either, till they won. I mean keep in mind Phil Jackson was a nobody when he joined the Bulls. He was coaching in Puerto Rico before the Bulls. The difference between a HoF coach and a non-HoF coach is proving themselves.
Phil wasn't considered the best coach til after his 11th ring
He was actually good...lol...He's the GOAT and its not even a debate! The truth is... is that if MJ didn't leave for a year and half to play baseball, he would have won 8 straight championships and 12 straight scoring titles. He was the fiercest most determined athlete in any sport I have ever seen. No one could beat he him because he would not let them.
Eric Spoelstra is a HOF coach and Pat Riley was very much still heavily involved just 2 years removed from coaching the Heat when Bron arrived. If Bron didn’t get coaches fired a year after winning a title they may have been HOF coaches. And Phil went from Scottie/Mike and Dennis to Kobe and Shack. Wasn’t all him.
LeBron didn’t want to play for an all-time great coach because he wanted to be the coach and GM
Michael was a ball hog in the earlier years… when his teammates had trouble hitting open layups and shots. If he couldn’t trust you then he didn’t.
Ie him being a ball hog was the optimal decision.
@coachwiz which year was Phil a hof coach when he coached mj?becuz in order for a coach to become a hof coach they would need to WIN a few chips,now how many chips did Phil win as a coach b4 he became the bulls head coach?……the answer is NONE,mj gave Phil his 1st 6 rings,mj MADE Phil into a hof coach,dnt get shit twisted “coach”smh lebron job is to MAKE his coach a hof and his team the Cavs into a dynasty….smh and you a basketball coach and saying some dumb shit like that smh 🤦🏾♂️
Your repeated questioning facts, i.e. data, advanced analytics and the eye test is off putting.
He was the best guard ever when it comes to defense why you think he was stealing everything!!!!!! He is the G.O.A.T ❤❤❤❤
The Chicago bulls was Phil Jackson first coaching gig in the NBA!!! He wasn't a HOF coach yet...
Imagine if Jordan would have had the luxury of playing with an average big man. The bulls would have been even better.Scottie was his only all star
Add endurance training to the regiment. The aim should be regulation time and two OTs of activity.
Well that’s the conditioning
Phil was a Hall of fame coach because of Jordan
Man, Jordan would have won 8 straight if he never retired the 1st time. Nobody was fkn with MJ
He had almost 0 talent around him until they got Pippen/Grant. No matter how incredible he was, basketball is still a team sport. You have a lot more videos to watch. He only ever had ONE other All-Star to play with in his career - Pippen, while LBJ picked many teams with All-Stars like Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch for an example. MJ played with who he was teamed with by management. You didn’t “hear”!that his steals or other stats were padded. Conspiracy theorists and haters post that shit online. He still holds the scoring record after all these years and the 3-point shot wasn’t almost all the fricking offense like it is now. You’ll hear him say (at the time) that he didn’t want to focus on 3’s because the percentage made is lower, etc. No human is perfect but he had ZERO weaknesses and is still the best 2-way player ever. Barkley is 6’5” and one of the top 50 players when the list was created, still was when it was expanded to top 75. You’re missing so much. I suggest you try other channels like “The Real Mind Crime” and “Uncut Hoops” to name just two. Once you’ve objective, you’ll figure it out.
What you mean we always bring up him losing to Bird and Early in his career, it’s what made Mike into Air Jordan. That’s where the Legend really begins. Nobody is denying or saying LeBum isn’t the best player in the league but he ain’t even close to being considered the GOAT. He’s just not. He’s barely top 5.
Bron didn’t play for an all time coach because he refused to actually build with a team and let a coach actually coach. He leaves when things get tough and gets every coach fired. Oh and Hakeem is definitely the goat defender if it number 2. But I can’t have pippen that high. Definitely top 10 and for sure the best perimeter defender ever. but pippen wasn’t as overall impactful as Duncan, Robinson,KG, or bill Russell as defender. I’d say he’s next up after those guys tho.
No one denies or ignores his early losing and some of his early weaknesses. But if you’re having a 🐐 debate and your Player A and I’m player B neither dude ever runs down the negatives. LeBron fans don’t start “well he’s choked some series and he’s not a good free throw shooter etc” 😂. Everyone just lists what makes their guy the greatest. And when the negatives are brought up they try and contextualise it.
how are you a basketball coach? if you dont know this sh*t already!😅😂😂